1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of I Heart Radio 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Minky. Listener discretion is advised. 3 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: Here is an excerpt taken from the Dayton Daily News 4 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: Data December. In a few days, the Star of India, 5 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: reminder of by gone sailing days, will be taken on 6 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: a little coastwise cruise from her quiet mooring in San 7 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: Francisco Bay down to San Diego. Then the one word 8 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: Fini will be written in the log book and her 9 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: sailing days will be at an end. It will mean 10 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: the retirement of what seamen hold to be the most 11 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 1: famous sailing vessel afloat. She will be anchored in a 12 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: tiny inland ocean, a feature in a proposed five acre 13 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: zoological garden in San Diego. This little coastwise voyage means 14 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: far more to the average sailor than the layman, aalizes. 15 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: The sailor still has that inherited feel of the sea. 16 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: He delights in Viking stories and anything that sails before 17 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: the wind enthuses him. He knows his ships as a 18 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 1: turfman knows his horses, and records count for as much 19 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: with the sailor as with the lover of fleetness in 20 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,199 Speaker 1: the equine world. The older sailors along the Pacific coast 21 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: delight in pointing out that the keel of the Star 22 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: of India was laid down sixty three years ago by 23 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: Gilson and Company of Ramsey, Scotland. She was christened U 24 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: Turpi for the English Australian trade and old waterfront captains 25 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: at San Francisco recall her tall mass stenciled against the 26 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: skyline in those days when the golden gate never closed 27 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: on a processional of white sails. Now she is to 28 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 1: be rescued from slow disintegration in some hidden cove off 29 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: the Pacific coast. A place of honor has been assigned 30 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: her and what is expected to someday prove one of 31 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: the most interesting spots in America. Glass tanks will replace 32 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: the bunks on which slept the hardened men who for 33 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: half a century brave the elements of seven seas. The 34 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: Star of India will be um an aquarium. Even though 35 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: forever beached and her sails furled for all time, she 36 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: will still be a part of the sea. Except that's 37 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: not what happened at all. So let's head to San 38 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: Diego and find out what became of the Star of India. 39 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: I'm Amy Brunei and welcome to Haunted Road. Some might 40 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: call the Star of India a historic trade ship, the 41 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: most cursed boat in the water, and it's one nine 42 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: years of sailing. The ship has been trapped in the 43 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: ice in Alaska and run aground in Hawaii, and has 44 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: seen cyclones, collisions with other ships, and a crew mutiny 45 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: that ended in seventeen men being sentenced to hard labor. 46 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: But others might call it the luckiest ship ever built. 47 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: Through all these cataclysmic events, the Star of India survived. 48 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: In fact, she's still sailing today. Whether she's sailing with 49 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: icy handed ghosts of sailors who died aboard, though, is 50 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: a bird debate. There are rumors of strange apparitions and 51 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: moving objects below her decks. Maybe it's because of all 52 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: the tragic deaths aboard, or maybe it's because the ship 53 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: is the oldest actively sailing boat in the world. When 54 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: she was first built, the Star of India had a 55 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: different name and a different purpose. She was also a 56 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: marvel of her time, an iron holed ship in an 57 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: era when most boats were constructed of wood. Relatively small, 58 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: the boat measures two hundred five feet long by thirty 59 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: five feet wide and has three masts. Originally called the 60 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: Utterpi after the Greek muse of music, the ship was 61 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: built in eighteen sixty three in the Isle of man 62 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: An Island in the Irish Sea between Great Britain and Ireland. 63 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: In its early sailings, the Utterpi was used to sail 64 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: jute from India, or at least that's what she was 65 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: supposed to do. Her first two sailings were nearly disastrous, 66 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: filled with so much calamity that she nearly sank and 67 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: lost all her crew. The uterpis first sailing left Liverpool 68 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: on January ninth, eighteen sixty four, under the command of 69 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: Captain William's story. Almost immediately after setting sail, disaster struck. 70 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: In the middle of the night, the Uturpy collided with 71 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: an unlit Spanish break off the coast of Whales. The 72 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: crash destroyed the jib boom. For you non sailing folk 73 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: out there like me, that's the large extension off the 74 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: bow that helps the sales maintain a well projected shape 75 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: to catch the wind and speed up the ship. The 76 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: damage was so extensive that seventeen of the ship's thirty 77 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: crew members refused to continue working until the ship turned 78 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: into port for repairs. Here's where that mutiny comes in. 79 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: According to British sailing history site Mighty sees the Uturpi 80 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: put into Holy Head Whales on the fifteenth and these 81 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: men were tried by local magistrates, each being condemned to 82 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: prison for fourteen days with hard labor after an expert 83 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: witness stated that the repairs could easily have been made 84 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: at ze. After five days of repairs, the ship embarked 85 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: again on January, this time with more than half the 86 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: original crew replaced, arriving in Calcutta around May. Her second 87 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: sailing was no more peaceful. After having successfully sailed from 88 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: England to India and secured a new load of cargo, 89 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: the Uturpi departed India and was caught in a cyclone 90 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: in the Bay of Bengal. This time she lost her 91 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: top masts and barely made it back to port. Just 92 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: after On August seven, eighteen sixty six, Captain's Story died 93 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: from what the BBC described as an unknown tropical disease 94 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 1: and was buried at sea with all that bad energy 95 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,119 Speaker 1: attached to the ships. No surprise, her original owners sold 96 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: her after that voyage. After changing hands again in eighteen 97 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: seventy one, the Uturpie took on a different kind of 98 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: cargo people. In the years that followed, she made twenty 99 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: one trips around the world, bringing immigrants to new lands 100 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: in search of better lives. Most of the passengers were 101 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: from the United Kingdom heading to New Zealand, though she 102 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: also made voyages to California, Chile and Australia. But true 103 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: to the Uturpies history, those voyages were challenging. The Maritime 104 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: Museum of San Diego Go, where the Star of India 105 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: is now docked, says of that time it was rugged 106 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: voyaging with a little iron ship battling through terrific gales. 107 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: The ship's log describes the vessel laboring and rolling in 108 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: a most distressing manner during those storms. At the shortest 109 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: a voyage to New Zealand took one hundred days and 110 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: one hundred forty three days for its longest trip. Both 111 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: the crew and the passengers suffered during these difficult voyages. 112 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: Everyone ate a measly diet of hard tack, which is 113 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: a dense hard biscuit, and salt junk, which is dried 114 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: salted beef or pork. Many suffered from all the mare, 115 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: a particular kind of seasickness caused by rolling waves characterized 116 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: by nausea and dizziness, and other maladies caused by months 117 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: cooped up below deck. They were a tough lot, the 118 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: museum describes, drawn from the working classes of England, Ireland 119 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: and Scotland, and most went on to prosper in New Zealand. 120 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: Many babies were born to immigrants on these voyages, including 121 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: one given the middle name Uturpi and one partially named 122 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 1: after Captain Theoe Phillips. Many people also died, though not 123 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: as many as you might assume based on how difficult 124 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: some of the sailings were, but there were significant losses. 125 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: Seamen died of consumption, dysentery and pneumonia. One had a 126 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: seizure and fell from a mass to his death. Another 127 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: was accidentally crushed to death by his crewmates. A crewman 128 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: was in the chain locker where the anchor chain is stored, 129 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: where he shouldn't have been, and he became stuck as 130 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: his mates brought in the anchor to prepare to sail. 131 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: The noisy machinery masked the sound of the screams of 132 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: the trapped victim as he was crushed by the enormously 133 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: heavy chain. Child passengers were especially vulnerable. Babies were still 134 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: born on the ship, Infants perished, and families lost very 135 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: young children more than once. One of the most tragic 136 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: losses befell Emily and Charles brad from Middlesex, England, who 137 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: were traveling on the Uterpi with their four children. On 138 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: the six month voyage. Two of the kids, eight year 139 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: old Emily and two year old Jesse, passed away. Another 140 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: family faced a similarly horrific situation. Mary and Thomas Osborne 141 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: traveled aboard the Uturpi with their nine children, five sons 142 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: and four daughters. Four year old George died at sea, 143 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: followed by infant Thomas Jr. Mary gave birth to a 144 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: baby girl aboard the ship, but the newborn passed away 145 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: shortly after. The Journal of San Diego History wrote about 146 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: a collection of diaries and letters donated by New Zealanders 147 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: descended from passengers on the Uturpi. The journal describes these 148 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: letters by saying they tell us of yards and sales 149 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: riven by shrieking gales, of mountainous seas and vast icebergs, 150 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: of standing off and on before barren, iron bound coasts, 151 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: of the immigrants, hunger and their battles with ship rats 152 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: and each other of men swept off the bowsprit into 153 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: the churnings of the seat, of a captain's gory suicide, 154 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: and of the great joy and relief of all hands 155 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: on sighting land. Their words are the stark testimony of 156 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,119 Speaker 1: those who sought new lives against all odds, braving hazards 157 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: men would think impossible today. In nineteen o one, the 158 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: ship was sold again, purchased by the Alaska Packer Association 159 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: to service the state's salmon canneries. For over twenty years, 160 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: she carried fishermen and canary workers, as well as coal 161 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: and other supplies, from Oakland, California, to Alaska, and would 162 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: return laden with canned salmon. It was during this time 163 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: that the Uturpi became the Star of India, so named 164 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: to be consistent with the rest of the association's fleet. 165 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: In nineteen six the Star of India was steered toward 166 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: another new path. A group of friends in San Diego 167 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 1: bartered for the boat, aiming to build a museum and 168 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: aquarium around her. The project was sidelined because of the 169 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: Great depression in World War Two, and the ship lay 170 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: dormant until nineteen fifty seven, when renovations finally started, though 171 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: they took a long time to complete. In nineteen seventy six, 172 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: the Star of India was put to sea again. Now 173 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: moored at the Maritime Museum of and Diego, the Star 174 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: of India is a floating history lesson, welcoming visitors to 175 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: walk her decks and descend below to see what life 176 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: would have been like on the ship up until she 177 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: made one single annual sail a year with a crew 178 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: of volunteers from the museum who trained all year to 179 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: be able to operate The Star of India on her 180 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: day long departure from her mooring. The museum, though still 181 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: describes her as an active sailing ship. In addition to 182 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: all of that, she holds many distinctions. She's on the 183 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: National Register of Historic Places and is designated a National 184 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: Historic Landmark. She's the fourth oldest ship in the United 185 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: States and the oldest iron holed merchant ships still afloat. 186 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: She's also the oldest ship in the world still sailing regularly. 187 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: Unlike many other preserved or restored ships, her whole cabins 188 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 1: and equipment are all largely original. Maybe it's because so 189 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: much of the ship is still original that there are 190 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: so many rumors of hauntings and strange activities aboard the 191 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: Star of India. One such story comes from the story 192 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: of John Campbell, a teenage stowaway who snuck his way 193 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: into the crew in four Shortly after being put to work, 194 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: Campbell was high in the rigging and lost his footing, 195 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: falling one feet to the deck below. Both his legs 196 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: were crushed, but Campbell survived three long days before he 197 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: died and was buried at sea. Visitors who are near 198 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: the mast Campbell fell from will sometimes report feeling the 199 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: touch of a cold hand. In the ship's galley, where 200 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: the food was prepared, people still report smelling freshly baked bread, 201 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: even though it's been nearly a century since anything was 202 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: baked in that kitchen. Visitors have also claimed to have 203 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: seen pots and pans above the stove moving, even though 204 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: the ship is sitting calmly in the water. The chain locker, 205 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: where the crew member was crushed to death by equipment 206 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: is said to be a paranormally active spot, and the 207 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 1: sailor's quarters are also plagued with spiritual activity after witnessing 208 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 1: much death and suffering. Crewmen who were sick or injured 209 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: spent their last days in that area, and visitors report 210 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,599 Speaker 1: feeling cold spots in those areas, being overcome with residual 211 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: fear and sadness in the space. To talk more about 212 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 1: the hauntings on board the Star of India, I have 213 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: called in my old friend. You might know him, Britt Griffith. 214 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: Britta and I go way back, way way back, and 215 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: we once start on TV's Ghost Hunters together. He was 216 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: the first person who told me of the Star of India, 217 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: and after having investigated it multiple times, he's got some 218 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: crazy stories to tell. That's coming up after the break. 219 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: All right, So I am currently on the line with 220 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: one of my oldest dearest friends. And I don't mean 221 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: like old, I mean like we've been friends for a 222 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: very long time. I well, I was trying to not 223 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: call you old and then it just kind of but 224 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: I mean you're not old, clearly. I mean my oldest 225 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: friend is in like we go a wait, wait, we 226 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: back like pre TV, pre ghost Hunters. You were the 227 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: one that really introduced me to the Star of India, 228 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: and I know you investigated it quite a bit. So 229 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to bring Britt. This is 230 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: my chance to bring Britt on. So Britt Griffith is 231 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: a ghost Hunter's alumni paranormal investigator, like I said, very 232 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: dear friend, and we have basically, I mean, I feel 233 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: like our two teams way back in the day. Like 234 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: you were working on a Southern California team, I was 235 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: on a Northern California team, and we were all like 236 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: Taps family teams and god well, but actually, honestly, Amy, 237 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: we we we were on teams before Ghost Hunters even 238 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: hit the air in October of two thousand four. So 239 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: many people think I did the paranormal because I was 240 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: on Teaving. The reality was we were doing this long 241 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: before that show was on the air. Absolutely. And what 242 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: I loved is that our teams worked together was so 243 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: because we were NorCal you were so cowed. We would 244 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: come together for like the Central California cases, Fresno, California. 245 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: We did a lot of Fresno and Baker's Field and clothing. 246 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: I remember we investigated like this crazy Mexican restaurant once. 247 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: Actually there's a story on that one. Okay, So anyone 248 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: who listens to this podcast knows that I love to 249 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: share stories, and so let me tell you, I do 250 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: know Britt very well. And when Britt does something, Britt 251 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: does not do something halfway. Britt goes all in. And 252 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: so as you became a paranormal investigator, you bought and 253 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: designed and researched every single piece of like paranormal technical 254 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: research equipment you could get your hands on. That's how 255 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: you ended up on gh AS, like helping with all 256 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: the tech. And so I remember the first time I 257 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: met Britt. He pulled up in literally an ambulance that 258 00:14:55,480 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: he bought, filled with ghost gear, and I was, who 259 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: is this guy? Right? So the first you were like, 260 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: this dude's weird. And then you had a hearse to 261 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: which you did not use for the ghost of gear, 262 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: but you had, and I was like, all right, this 263 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: guy is office rocker. But I will never forget you. 264 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: When we were investigating that Mexican restaurant, you were like, 265 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: you know, let's all like car pool. I think we 266 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: all stayed at like a local hotel or something. We 267 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: car pooled. And so I wrote in the ambulance and 268 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: I sat in the back and I buckled my seatbelt 269 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: and I was like this is such a novelty, this 270 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: is so cool whatever, And then we get there and 271 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't get my seatbelt off. My seatbelt 272 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: is not my seatbelt is not coming undone, and I'm 273 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: like sitting there, I'm kind of struggling with it. And 274 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: then the door opens and there's Britt and he's got 275 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: a camera and he's like, Amy, what's going on? You 276 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: got a problem, but oh are you stuck? And I'm 277 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: like I'm stuck in my seatbelt, like and you wouldn't 278 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: help me, you just kept filming me. And so then 279 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: fast forward to like a year, so he has this 280 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: video of me. So fast forward to a year or 281 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: two later. We're on the Queen Mary for like I 282 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: think it was a Dave Schrader event. Jason and Grant 283 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: from Ghost Hunters are lecturing and we were dear friends 284 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: and I was helping them with their podcast at the time, 285 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: and so their lecturing and they called me into the 286 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: lecture hall and they're like introducing me, like, hey, this 287 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: is Amy. She's our producer for our podcast. And they're 288 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: like Amy, Oh, we wanted to show you something, and 289 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: they played the video of me stuck in the ambulance 290 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: in front of hundreds of people. Yeah, that was the 291 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: good old days. But we had some great times. And 292 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: that ambulance was very convenient because it carried all the 293 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: equipment and it gave us a place to sit outside 294 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: of the location and not in the weather. Oh totally. 295 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: It was like the it was like our taps fan basically, 296 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: but I actually felt like the ambulance was kind of 297 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: more conducive to that because it had all these different compartments. So, 298 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: and you were very organized with it all. And so 299 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: obviously there were a lot of, you know, Ghostbusters jokes 300 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: made at our expense, but we are very used to 301 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: that by now, so that's par for the course. If 302 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: we're not getting the Ghostbusters joke, then we're doing something wrong. Yeah, 303 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, I wish we had 304 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: Ghostbusters paychecks because then we wouldn't have to work for 305 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: a living. That's very true. So but that's okay, that's okay. 306 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: I think we're we're good. We're good. We've had we 307 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: had the experiences, so okay, So tell me, do you, like, 308 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: when did you first start investigating the Star of India 309 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: and how did that come about? So the team that 310 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: I was on Obviously we were southern California, and leader 311 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: of our team actually lived in San Diego, and he 312 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: had a relationship with the manager or somebody who had 313 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: something to do with that Maritime museum because they have 314 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 1: like seven eight ships down there now, and uh, they 315 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: had always had ghost stories from the night Watch. We've 316 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: always had a hard time keeping night security on those 317 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: ships because not only the Star of India that's there, 318 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: but that Berkeley ship is there, and then there was 319 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: a Russian submarine that was there, and all three of 320 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: them are haunted. And so the night manager this and 321 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: this was right about the first season of ghost Hunters, 322 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: which gave the manager enough courage to actually talk about it, because, 323 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: I mean, most people don't realize, but before ghost Hunters 324 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: came on the air, talking about the paranormal was was 325 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: a hush hush thing or you were crazy, and trying 326 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: to get people to let us into buildings was a 327 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: pain because they would just laugh at us. But ghost 328 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: Hunters happened, so the manager knew that Dave was into 329 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: the paranormal world, and he finally reached out to Dave 330 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: and said, hey, you know, we just had another night 331 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 1: security guy quit because of ghosts, which I don't believe in, 332 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: but you know, I know you're into it. Do you 333 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: think you can come out with your team and blah 334 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: blah blah. And that's how we got in there was 335 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: because they couldn't keep their night security. They kept losing 336 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: employees and reached out to Day and then Day was like, yeah, sure, 337 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: and we went down and did it. And I mean 338 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: the first night we were there, back then before ghost Hunters, 339 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: when we would go to a place, the spirit wald 340 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: wasn't used to being acknowledged, reached out to, or like 341 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: we were doing trying to make contact. Most of the 342 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 1: time the spirit wal will be seen or heard, people 343 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: would freak and run. But the Star video the first 344 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: time we were there, we had activity. We had interactually 345 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: had K two hits, we had E d P, we 346 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: had it was like run up the bat. It was active, 347 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: which was really cool because normally takes a couple of 348 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: nights for the other side, whatever we're dealing with, to 349 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: get used to us reaching out to them and then 350 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: then going right, I guess we can kind of reach 351 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: out back and then the evidence collecting starts. Really No 352 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 1: one takes a couple of days. Today now it's like 353 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: it's almost like the spirit world expects to be talked 354 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: to almost, so it's a little different now. Yeah, No, 355 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: that actually makes sense because I feel like you guys 356 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: are probably the first ones to actually investigate the ship, 357 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: and there's been paranormal reports coming out of there for 358 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: a very long time. The history is very interesting. It's 359 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: had many different incarnations, so it makes sense that it 360 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: would be very haunted. But I'm just guessing that those spirits, 361 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: you know, had gone decades just kind of trying to 362 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: get attention or trying to get someone to reach out 363 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: to them, and then finally you guys get there, and 364 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 1: so yeah, it makes sense that right off the bat 365 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: they would start trying to interact. And see you did 366 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: obviously you did the Ghost Hunters investigations, but I can't 367 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: remember did you go there with your team on on 368 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: your own or was that was your experience the show. No, 369 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: it was just when we went with Ghost Hunters, But 370 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: we were there. I feel like we were there for 371 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: three nights because we were also doing the Berkeley next 372 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: Door and so we were just like normally we were 373 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: there for a couple of nights with g JR. One night, 374 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: but I think we were there for I remember being 375 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: in San Diego for quite a while for those cases. Yeah, 376 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: and we were there two and a half weeks. Yeah, yeah, 377 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:42,239 Speaker 1: And so I do remember it very distinctly, and I 378 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: remember hearing footsteps, I remember seeing a shadow figure downstairs. 379 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: And this was one of the first cases that they 380 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: So I had already investigated in Alameda and in Clovis, 381 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: and I thought I was going back to work in 382 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: my project manager job, and they were like, hey, want 383 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: to go to San Diego. So I was like, I guess. So, 384 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: so this was, like, I want to say, my third 385 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: or fourth case. It's not the easiest place to investigate 386 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: because it's downtown, it's on the water, and it's an 387 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: old ship. It makes a lot of noises, but it's 388 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: steel hold or whatever, so it's not like a just 389 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: a wooden ship creaking and stuff, so you do have 390 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: some control. But still it was a challenge and I 391 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,239 Speaker 1: remember thinking at the time, I was like, how are 392 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: we going to do this? But we did it and 393 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: it worked out, and you're right, it is a happy 394 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: is cast iron. The steel hole, which is the only 395 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: reason why that ship is around today because at the 396 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: time most of the ships were made of wood and 397 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: then that rots. But the only reason that ship still 398 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: afloat today, still sells today, it's a hundred and sixty 399 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: two years old, is because the whole was made so 400 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: thick of steel and we get to experience it today. 401 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: Most people don't realize it, but back then, the ships 402 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: were made of wood because it was the most economical 403 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: way to do it. But those ships, you know, they 404 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: don't last a hundred sixty years, like you know, Star 405 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: Indians a hundred six years old, and the only reason 406 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: was because the original owners paid the extra money to 407 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: have that extra thick still whole. And she's still around today. 408 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: I mean she's literally Costar certified Hunters since two years later, 409 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: the world's oldest selling ship on the planet, which is 410 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: really kind of cool, and we can investigated and looked for, 411 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: I know, And that was one of those kind of 412 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: surreal moments for me too. I was like, oh my gosh, 413 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: we're investigating this ship. And I actually went back to 414 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,719 Speaker 1: San Diego recently just for a stopover when we were 415 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: coming back from a vacation in Hawaii, when we stayed 416 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: the night there, and I showed it to my daughter 417 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: and I was like, that was one of my first 418 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: cases on Ghost Hunters. Like, but it's beautiful, like it 419 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: she just stands. They light her up and like she's 420 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: definitely getting the accolades she deserves. But I don't know 421 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: that everybody fully realizes, like what is going on in there? 422 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: It is very creepy. I do remember distinctly the footsteps 423 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: are a big one, and I know you would experience that. 424 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: Was one of the things you told me about before 425 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: we even investigated there for Ghost Hunters was the footsteps situation. 426 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: Now do you remember what you experienced there with footsteps? 427 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: Because I do, but you should probably tell the story. 428 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: Well again, I was working with Jane Grant. But we 429 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: hear footsteps all the time, and we hear ghostly sounds, 430 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: and we hear a lot of door shutting and when 431 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: but what what blows my mind about the Star of India. 432 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: And this actually happened on tape. You can go to 433 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: the show and watch it. We heard the footsteps. We 434 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: were in the in between deck they called the tween deck, 435 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: which is a really low ceiling deck kind of captain's 436 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: quarters and whatnot, and we heard the footsteps and I 437 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 1: put my hands on this what was the ceiling for me, 438 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: but the floor for the top deck, and I could 439 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: feel them walking towards me, and it was like it's 440 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: like they were distant and as you hear them, they're 441 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: they're soft, they get louder, and then they get soft again. 442 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: We'll think of that as you put your hands on 443 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: the floor or the ceiling. And it was like soft, harder, harder, harder, 444 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 1: hard right on the top of me, and then soft 445 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: again as it went over me. And for me it 446 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: was like, holy crap, I got I felt another thing. 447 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: I hear that. I felt that, And then it spurred 448 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: thousand more questions of so this thing has mass that 449 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: it can actually impact the wood and vibrate the wood 450 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: to where I can feel it. So there's so there's 451 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: mass there. So does that mean this ghost could you know, 452 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: move an object? Oh well, maybe that's how they're doing it. 453 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: Can the ghost hurt somebody like you know, punch, roll, push, whatever? 454 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 1: It was so many questions that blew my mind. And 455 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: then when we finally went up top to see what 456 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: was up top, it was the path that the wheelman 457 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: would walk to go to the original Star of India. 458 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: Wheel It's moved now, it's not where it originally was at, 459 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: but back in the day, that footpath and where it 460 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: stopped was right at the original wheelhouse for the Star 461 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: of India, which makes perfect sense. So we had this 462 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: amazing experience that we could hear, that we could feel, 463 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: and then it actually logically made sense for that activity 464 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: to be where it was at. And that's the need 465 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: that the really cool, above par awesome thing about the 466 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: Star of India is the activity lines up with what 467 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: was going on back in the day, even though it's 468 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: kind of changed a little bit. Yeah, and that was 469 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: one of the first times that it kind of dawned 470 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: on me, like there are different kinds of footsteps you 471 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: can experience as an investigator, because that's when we started 472 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: using geophones. Now, geophones are a device that will light 473 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: up when they sense vibration, and so sometimes you'll hear 474 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: footsteps and you'll just hear footsteps and there's no vibration. 475 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: They're just kind of like these phantom footsteps. But other 476 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: times you'll hear footsteps and no one is there and 477 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: they will come like they will happen, and you'll hear 478 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: creaking of floorboards or you'll actually feel the floor kind 479 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: of moving as though someone is walking towards you. And 480 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 1: that's what you experienced there. But I don't think before 481 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: that I had kind of realized that there was a difference, 482 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: or even new to look for a difference. I don't 483 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 1: know necessarily what that means either as far as like 484 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: what does that mean for that spirit? If a spirit 485 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: can manifest enough to make something move, is that a 486 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: stronger spirit or is that more of an intelligent spirit 487 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: versus just kind of phantom footsteps that don't affect the 488 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: surround You know, these are all questions that come up, 489 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: and so something like that we get very excited about. 490 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: And I remember all of us being like, what is happening? 491 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: And also we went back and we checked the DVR 492 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: we had. It was very easy to cover the Star 493 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: of India because it's not a huge vessel, and so 494 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: we were able to like make sure we had every 495 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,239 Speaker 1: um deck covered with the camera and there was no 496 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 1: one up there when that happened. No, there was not. 497 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: And the edicol thing was is that when Grant went 498 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: up to recreate it, it felt exactly the same. Right now, 499 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: do you remember what the night watchmen were experiencing? Specifically 500 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: that was making them quit by by chance. It was visual, 501 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: it was seeing stuff, shadows, ghostly type figures, and it 502 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: was sounds. It was audible talking sounds and chains rattling. Yeah, 503 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: I mean that that makes sense. And it's I always 504 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: we hear from night watchman or security guard quite often 505 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 1: because they're there in the dead of night when everything's quiet, 506 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: and I can't imagine signing on for that job. And 507 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: what kind of surprises you get in a place like 508 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: the Star of India. Now, what other experiences have you 509 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: either had there or have you heard of having or 510 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what other experiences have you had? You know 511 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: what I mean, what other experiences have you had there? 512 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: Have you heard of other people having there? Well? The 513 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: other thing that I mean when we were there for 514 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: the show, for the people that want to go watch 515 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: the show, I mean, there was those shadows that were 516 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: happening that we actually documented on camera. The you know, 517 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: the shadow getting in between the light and and the 518 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: cameras of the light would dim out, and that we 519 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: were we were seeing with our eyes and the camera 520 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,719 Speaker 1: documented it. And we know no one was there because 521 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: as skilled investigators were smart enough to experience the activity, 522 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: take it all in and then immediately get to the 523 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: area and just try to debunk it. So we were 524 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: able to get in the area, there's no one there. 525 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: The shadow movement going on. And I don't know if 526 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,959 Speaker 1: this is just science of the motion of the ocean 527 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: or whatever. But do you remember that, you know the 528 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: ropes hanging with the sandbags, and then there would be 529 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 1: like four of them lined up and only one rope 530 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: sandbag would be swinging while the other three were still 531 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: still perfectly still not moving at all. I mean, what 532 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 1: was that all about? Why would just one sandbag on 533 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 1: a rope hanging rock and the other three that are 534 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: next to it not rock. What is that all about? 535 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I don't know either. I mean 536 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: that could be movement, of course, but also on the 537 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: ship stock. But I guess it is moving a little bit. Now, 538 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: remind me and if I get this wrong, we'll just 539 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: cut This was the star of India that what had 540 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: the the popping shrimp underneath it? Or was that? Yes? Yes, 541 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: I just remember being deep in the bottom of this 542 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: ship and there are these weird shrimp and so these 543 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: are the things that have to deal with as a 544 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: paranormal investigator. There were these these popping shrimp. And I 545 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: went down there and I was like, what is happening 546 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: to this? I thought the thing was sinking, but they 547 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: all night just popped so loudly. And if you didn't 548 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: know what those were, I don't know what you would 549 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: think was happening or what you would think you were experiencing. 550 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: I mean, and that, you know, again part of being 551 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: an investigator having to discern between you know, popping shrimp 552 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: and ghosts. But I mean, I do think that when 553 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: you're investigating a place like that, you do have to 554 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: deal with extraordinary circumstances. My local team we had investigated 555 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: it before. We knew about that, so we let Jane 556 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: Grant know so that But I don't think they told 557 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: you guys because they want you to experience it first. 558 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: Or did you know when you were going down there. 559 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: I can't remember how that ruled out. Oh yeah, okay, 560 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: so they let you go in blind and then they 561 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: explained it. But yeah, we knew about that ahead of time, 562 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: and that was the nice The nice thing about the 563 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: show is some of the some of the places we 564 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: went were kind of pre screened for us, so we 565 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: can rule a bunch of stuff out and not waste time, 566 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: so we could look for actual activity. But the cool 567 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: think about the popping shrimp that most people don't know 568 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: is the popping sound. It's something in it at the 569 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: tail the foot. I don't know something, but it's moving. 570 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: It's breaking the speed of sound. So that's what that 571 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: pop sound is. Whatever's in it is going so fast 572 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: is breaking the sound barrier. So bizarre. That is the 573 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: only place I've ever experienced the popping shrimp, and I've 574 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: never experienced it since. But yeah, it makes perfect sense 575 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: that they would not have told me. I barely knew 576 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: I was going to that investigation. I just kind of 577 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: appeared in San Diego one day and I was like, 578 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: I guess, I'm this is what I'm doing for the 579 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: rest of my life. You are? I mean, I knew 580 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: i'd be looking for ghosts. I just didn't know. I 581 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: kind of just assumed it would be like, Oh, I'll 582 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: just do a few episodes of this show ghost Hunters 583 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: yet and and then I never went home again. So yeah, 584 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: I do think there's just so much lore around ships 585 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: and their ghosts, and I almost feel like that adds 586 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: to the activity, because I do think that sailors and 587 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: people who spend a lot of their life on the 588 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: water are just particularly superstitious, and they do put a 589 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: lot of stock in kind of the spiritual side of 590 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: what they do. And do you think that's why the 591 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: Star of India still has so much going on? I 592 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: think there's a lot to the Star of India. And 593 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: there's there's stuff. Okay, I'm start with the happy stuff first. 594 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: So a sailor, the ship to a sailor is it's 595 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: is his mother. And the reason that you know, the 596 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: lower the superstition is you never have a woman on 597 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: a on a ship back then, is because the only 598 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: woman in that sailor's life is supposed to be the ship, 599 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: not another woman running around the decks, because then that 600 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: creates strife among the man, et cetera. But the but 601 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: to a sailor, they want to be in the ocean. 602 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: They want to be with their woman, which is their ship. 603 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: And that's why when they die, if you haven't if 604 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: we have a choice to go where we want to go, 605 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: a sailor would probably pick their ship. That's where they 606 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: want to go. But the Star of India did twenty 607 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: something trips around the world before late eighteen eighties, and 608 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: that was in the human immigrant trade. They brought families over, 609 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: immigrant families. They started bringing them from all over, like 610 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: that was the business of the ship. And so there 611 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: would be entire families they're including children, and there were 612 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: babies born on that ship. And I feel like I 613 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: don't think any of us can understand today, well most 614 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: of us cannot understand today the desperation of kind of 615 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: going into the unknown and getting on a ship like 616 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: that with your entire family and just hoping you make 617 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: it to the other side. And they ate terribly and 618 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: it was miserable, like absolutely miserable, and people did die 619 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: on board, people were very sick. Not as many people 620 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: died on boards I think people would assume under those conditions, 621 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: but that I feel like that desperation leads to some 622 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: sort of manifestation of energy, whether or not it is 623 00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: them they're like in their conscious state, or just that 624 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: bit of them that was holding onto so much hope 625 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: in that ship. Like I would love to get back 626 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: there eventually and do like a more kind of a 627 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: longer investigation and find out more about who is actually there. 628 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: But a lot of emotion, and it makes complete sense 629 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: why it would be haunted. Do you think it's possible 630 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: that like a location like the Star of India where 631 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: you have so many people going through there and so 632 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: many highly emotional experience is happening, whether it's terror or 633 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: love of the ship, but that that random energy that's 634 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: kind of floating around, that it can kind of connect 635 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: to each other and then make coalesce all of its 636 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: energy from the various other spirits that are there then 637 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: to be able to do those footsteps or to make 638 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: that shadow appear or make that voice sound. I mean, 639 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: can you think that the spirit world can work on 640 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: its side, work together to then send a signal to 641 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: our side. I think that that kind of emotion can 642 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: even create ghosts, you know, not necessarily, like, but I 643 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: do think that it does be come something over time. 644 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: And then if you have people touring it every day 645 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: and kind of revisiting those experiences and bringing it up 646 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: again and again, we're talking about the hauntings again and again. Like, 647 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: I do feel like that kind of either keeps it 648 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: alive or kind of awakens it. And so I wouldn't 649 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: be surprised if they have things going on now. I 650 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: know they have not. I think they haven't really done 651 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: a lot of investigations. I haven't heard a lot about 652 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: ghost tours or anything going on there, but I do 653 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: hear of it as being a haunted spot. Whenever I'm 654 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: in San Diego, people are like, go to the Star 655 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: of India, go to the Whaley House. You know, they 656 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: know it's haunted. I just I can't help but wonder 657 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: if that has something to do with it, because you 658 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: just you do not have ships like that still in 659 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,919 Speaker 1: existence that have that went through that same history. Yeah, 660 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: I know you don't. And I do know that around 661 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: the Halloween time they do do a haunted tour. I 662 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: have seen that, but it's it's not like an investigation. 663 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 1: It's more of a guided tour with dose sets, telling 664 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 1: tall tales and entertaining the crowd type of thing. But 665 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: you are right. I mean they're at least at least 666 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: once a week I get a message from somebody on 667 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,240 Speaker 1: the socials. Have you been to the Haunted Star of India, 668 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,359 Speaker 1: like a few times. Yeah, it's lower is out there, 669 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: And you are right, And and maybe we are energy 670 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: about that ship and people that go to that ship 671 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: looking for the ghost, that our collective energy is feeding 672 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: the spirit side energy, almost like they could plug into 673 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: us and then they make happen what they make happen, 674 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: which is it's cool and scary at the same time. 675 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: It wouldn't surprise me one bit. Well, hopefully they will 676 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 1: invite us back soon and and yeah, Candred Spirits, that 677 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: would be fabulous. I would love to go to San Diego. 678 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 1: So Star of India, if you're listening, we're looking for cases, 679 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: so if there's anyone there. But I mean, aside from 680 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: aside from that, it has been lovely talking with you. 681 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: As always, I do appreciate you taking the time. I 682 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 1: know this interview was not easy because I'm currently in 683 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 1: Europe and so the time change and everything has been bonkers. 684 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: But thank you for sticking with me and chatting about 685 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: old times and the very haunted Star of India's Hopefully 686 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 1: we can get back there soon. That would be amazing. 687 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 1: I will watch that episode for sure. Well, thank you 688 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,439 Speaker 1: again and um yeah, hopefully we'll see each other again soon. 689 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 1: So I hope you and the family are well after 690 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,479 Speaker 1: they are and same to you. Safe travels. I can't 691 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: wait for your season premiere. Obviously, the Star of India 692 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: holds a special place in my Heart having been one 693 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,399 Speaker 1: of the first ever cases I did on Ghost Hunters. Well, 694 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: I definitely investigated the paranormal prior to my appearance on 695 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 1: your TV screens. Those early years of g H actually 696 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: hold a lot of nostalgia for me. That aside, the 697 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: Star of India is one of those strange dichotomies in 698 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: a tourist world. You have kids happily skipping below deck, 699 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: or people once pinned all their hopes and dreams, barely surviving, 700 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: just trying to make a better life. You have her 701 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 1: beautiful silhouette backdrop against the iconic San Diego waterfront, with 702 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: many probably walking past, not knowing what secrets and energy 703 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: the wood and steel holds deep in its bones. Hopefully 704 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: the spirits there have found their way, following the star 705 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: that was always meant to guide them. I'm Amy Bruney 706 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: and this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road is a production 707 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio and Grim and Mild from Aaron Mankey. 708 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: Haunted Road is hosted and written by me Amy Bruney, 709 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: additional research by Taylor Haggerdorn. The show is edited and 710 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: produced by rema El Kali and supervising producer Josh Thing 711 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: and executive producers Aaron Manky, Alex Williams, and Matt Frederick. 712 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from I heart Radio, visit the I 713 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to 714 00:37:53,600 --> 00:38:03,959 Speaker 1: your favorite shows.