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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on Home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Ally here with

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson on a Tuesday in Uh, well late November,

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Speaker 1: and we need more cow bell in that song. Matt

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Speaker 1: can have more. Never a bad idea, Never a bad idea.

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin holding his press conference today, uh, in the

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Speaker 1: aftermath of Sunday's loss to the Cincinnati Bengals. Uh. The

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Speaker 1: injury news to come out of Tomlin's press conference not

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Speaker 1: that bad. Uh. In fact, he said that all three

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Speaker 1: guys who who of the game on Sunday with injuries,

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Speaker 1: That would be Miles Boyk and Jalen Warren and Mason

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Speaker 1: Cole all off. He feels pretty optimistic that all three

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Speaker 1: will play or at least have a chance to play

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Speaker 1: on Monday night against the Indianapolis Colts. Yeah, that's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: I really didn't expect that. I mean, Cole has been

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Speaker 1: battling a foot and whatnot, you know, most of the year,

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Speaker 1: all the year. I mean, correctly if I'm wrong, but

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Speaker 1: he's gonna gutting through it, and I thought that might

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Speaker 1: be the end of him, and he's been a quality

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Speaker 1: player for this team. Warren's a great backup change a pace,

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Speaker 1: third down different style than Harris. And you know, more

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Speaker 1: so even than that, im I'll be trying to kill

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Speaker 1: Benny Snow. It's just such a drop off. When Harris

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Speaker 1: does need a break to bring Snell in, it just

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Speaker 1: doesn't change the move the needle nearly enough. And so, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think they're in good shape. That is promising promising news. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: of course, Tom then also saying that, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: their run defense in this game, he expected expects it

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Speaker 1: to be uh uh, something that's going to need to

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Speaker 1: hold up quite well against the Indianapolis Colts, and made

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Speaker 1: note that in the past two games, Jonathan Taylor has

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Speaker 1: gotten twenty two carries in each one of those games.

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Speaker 1: And while you may you may look at that and say, well,

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Speaker 1: it's yeah, okay, um, prior to in the five games

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Speaker 1: prior to Frank Reich being fired, Um, Jonathan Taylor was

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Speaker 1: everything fifteen carries a game. Yeah, the usage has been

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Speaker 1: a little strange with him. I'm sure fantasy owners remember

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Speaker 1: at the beginning the season, he took this guy first. Overall,

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Speaker 1: he had thirty one s one and a touchdown against

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Speaker 1: the the Houston Texans. As we have since learned, everybody

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Speaker 1: runs like that against the Houston Texans. But then after that,

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Speaker 1: it was nine for fifty four, one for seventy one,

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Speaker 1: forty two, ten for fifty eight, sixteen for seventy six. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, not exactly what you'd expected. In the last

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Speaker 1: two games, it's been twenty two against the uh the Raiders,

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Speaker 1: and eighty four last week against the Eagles. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: as you can imagine, I've been playing with my stat

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Speaker 1: pack and you know, as I knew you would, of course.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a little under the weather here, and

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Speaker 1: it's been a strange week. We've got Thanksgiving, but that's

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Speaker 1: not gonna derail me from learning everything I can about

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Speaker 1: the Colts. And some of the rushing stuff is pretty

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Speaker 1: interesting in this game. And you mentioned, you know, his

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Speaker 1: production Taylor, who's a phenomenal football player, but he does

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Speaker 1: average eighty six point six yards per game rushing the

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Speaker 1: ball for the for the ground on the ground. I mean,

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Speaker 1: so that's not exactly a down year, but it's been

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Speaker 1: still believe over that number twice this year. Yeah, right, right, right,

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Speaker 1: So it's kind of it's kind of skewed a little

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Speaker 1: bit by these two big games. Absolutely true. So as

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Speaker 1: a team, the Colts are averaging four point one yards

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Speaker 1: per rush. That's only but over their last three games

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Speaker 1: they're averaging four point nine per rush, which isn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: a Saturday thing. They ran the ball well before that too.

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Speaker 1: But meanwhile, you're talking about the Steelers run defense. Right now,

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Speaker 1: only the Niners and Colts are better on a per

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Speaker 1: carry basis, the Steelers only allow three point nine, and

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Speaker 1: over the Steelers last three games, they only allow three

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Speaker 1: point four. So it's kind of the uh, immovable object

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Speaker 1: and whatever that's saying is Yeah, and their last two

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Speaker 1: games they've allowed nine rushing yards and it's like two

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Speaker 1: point nine yards a carry or something like that. That's

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Speaker 1: the first that's the lowest two game total that they've

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Speaker 1: given up since Wow, I didn't know, what's that impressive. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's been pretty good. Um, if you look at Taylor's season,

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Speaker 1: the other backs that kind of and you know, some

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Speaker 1: of the other stuff that they've done, it's brought that

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Speaker 1: been it's been their offensive line, it's been some of

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Speaker 1: the game planning. I think that's why Frank Reich may

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Speaker 1: not be there anymore. That's that, Hey, we've got this guy,

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Speaker 1: the best back in the league. He's certainly in the conversation.

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Speaker 1: put Shove ahead of him, but I think Taylor brings

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Speaker 1: it's this guy. I mean, he has it all. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know he was coming back. He had

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Speaker 1: that high ankle sprain. Our ankle spring, I should say

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Speaker 1: it wasn't a high ankle sprain. But he missed a

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Speaker 1: couple of games with that, came back and missed another game.

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Speaker 1: So you know, he's been a little in and out

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Speaker 1: of the lineup. So I get some of the usage,

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Speaker 1: but he's he's he's gonna be a problem for the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: Are gonna have to uh. I mean they talk about

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Speaker 1: shutting down the run every week. It's it's really they

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Speaker 1: have to do it this week and then and then

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Speaker 1: the thing about it is Matt Ryan's not going to

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Speaker 1: beat you with his legs, No, not at all. So

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Speaker 1: it's about shutting down Taylor and their lines starting to

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Speaker 1: play a little bit better. Bernard Raymond, the left tackle,

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Speaker 1: has been in and out of line up. They've been searching.

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Speaker 1: He's started to put it together a little bit, but

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Speaker 1: still it's not really a strength. Um, I kind of

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Speaker 1: know what they're gonna do. You know, Ryan's gonna throw short,

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Speaker 1: He's gonna get out of his hands quick, He's hopefully

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Speaker 1: not gonna make a lot of mistakes, and they're gonna

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Speaker 1: hand the ball off a lot and play good defense. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for sure, changing gears here a little bit. The semifinalists

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Speaker 1: for the induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: were announced today. Hines Word made to cut and James

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Speaker 1: Harrison made the cut really good, So I didn't even

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Speaker 1: see that. Yeah, Looking here at the list, it's Eric Allen,

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Speaker 1: Fred Taylor, Joe Thomas, Zach Thomas, Heinz, Ward, DeMarcus Ware,

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Speaker 1: Ricky Waters, Reggie Wayne, Vince Woolfork, Patrick Willis, and Darren Woodson.

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Speaker 1: That's your you're grouping there. Of course, Nick Shook, who

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Speaker 1: writes for NFL dot Com, went ahead and ranked the

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Speaker 1: semifinalist one through twenty eight. Now or Adam Frank ranked this?

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Adam Rank. And as we know, Adam Rank

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Speaker 1: a huge Chicago Bears apologist. And so who does he

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Speaker 1: have ranked number one among his semifinalists? Who would you think?

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, not not ahead some of these

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Speaker 1: guys that are on this list. That's ridiculous. As you were,

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Speaker 1: you know, going through the list, I wrote down the

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Speaker 1: guys that I thought that were really in the mix.

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Speaker 1: You know that, you know because the first I first

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Speaker 1: i'd heard the list, to be honest with you, and

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Speaker 1: the two no brainers to me are Rivus and Joe Thomas.

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Speaker 1: I mean I think that's their first time up. I

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Speaker 1: mean there's some other ones on the scene. Willis should

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Speaker 1: needn't even make the cut to the semifinals a couple

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Speaker 1: of times I know agree, But I mean of the

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Speaker 1: new guys, Revus and Thomas to me are the easiest

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Speaker 1: and would would certainly rank ahead of Hester on the list.

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Speaker 1: You see. I don't know if Thomas gets in on

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Speaker 1: the first ballot because there's some other offensive lineman on

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Speaker 1: you know, who are who are available, like Willie Anderson

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Speaker 1: and things like that that sometimes you know you because

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Speaker 1: there's no stats there for those guys. It makes it

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Speaker 1: a little difficult um looking here and as many wins, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's the other party. I mean, how many bad teams

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Speaker 1: did you play? On? Looking here? How Adam rank has

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Speaker 1: them ranked on NFL dot com. He is London Fletcher

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Speaker 1: second team All Pro twice. Okay, that doesn't That doesn't

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Speaker 1: move the needle for me. It's Ricky Waters at seven. Wow,

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Speaker 1: he almost made my list of guys that I would

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Speaker 1: strongly consider. I was like, no, he has hines Ward

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl m VPS, a six time thousand yard receiver,

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Speaker 1: punishing blocker, great career should be celebrated in the Pittsburgh community.

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Speaker 1: But we have to make some tough decisions, and I

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Speaker 1: have other receivers higher than hines Ward. We'll get to

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Speaker 1: Fred Taylor at Taylor versus Waters is a conversation for me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think they're both tremendous, and we've seen

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Speaker 1: a great player. Waters is a great receiver too. At

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Speaker 1: twenty four. He has ant Kwam Bolden. Now in the

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Speaker 1: how you split the hairs there between the two of them,

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Speaker 1: because they're almost the same player. I'd say similar if

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Speaker 1: so tough. You tell me Hinds Ward wasn't right, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean he has he has only one guy in

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Speaker 1: Now I can't put Henry Ellard above Warter Bolton. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: as you were mentioned, I might just briefed over. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: no chance, I made a good player, but not an

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Speaker 1: all time great. He'd be one of my first cuts. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Twenty is Eric Allen. I'll take him over Lewis, but

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's a Hall of Famer. At nineteeny

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Speaker 1: is Rodney Harrison. Maybe we've seen a lot of these

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Speaker 1: as good a case as them. I don't have the

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Speaker 1: tying players in the league. Yes, yeah, right, but super

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Speaker 1: think Freedy hurts him. Freeny was the better player. Frei

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Speaker 1: is a better player. Freeny's on my list. Mathisism. It's seventeen.

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Speaker 1: maller of brutes. He was never thought Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: Four time first Team All Pro and he has and

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Speaker 1: he has a Super Bowl ring. Yeah, I mean there's first.

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Speaker 1: Don't you get first team All Pro? That that moves

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Speaker 1: the needle? That's okay? Four times he did it. Um,

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