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Speaker 1: Pushkin. A young couple waited behind a long velvet curtain.

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Speaker 1: They were on a Hollywood sound stage. On the other

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Speaker 1: couple to appear. It was April twenty fourth, nineteen fifty two.

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Speaker 1: They were on the set of a TV game show

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Speaker 1: called You Bet Your Life. The announcer, George Finnamon cleared

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Speaker 1: his throat, and as he spoke, the couple came out

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Speaker 1: from behind the curtain into the bright stage lights.

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Speaker 2: We have an engaged couple for you now, Groucho, and

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Speaker 2: they're very special guests.

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Speaker 3: So let's meet them.

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Speaker 2: Miss Rose Aranda and Sergeant Joseph Rodriguez. Meet Graucho Marx.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Graucho Marx of the Marx Brothers. You know

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Speaker 1: who I'm talking about with those big glasses, thick eyebrows

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Speaker 1: the host of the show.

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Speaker 2: Pretty cute couple, right.

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Speaker 1: The young couple were both dressed up. He wore an

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Speaker 1: She was tiny and beautiful with big brown eyes. They

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Speaker 1: were in their early twenties. He rested his hand in

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Speaker 2: You two a special guest. Why is that? Is it

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Speaker 2: because you're an army sergeant?

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Speaker 4: No, I don't believe.

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Speaker 2: So there's nothing special about an army sergeant unless you

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Speaker 2: happened to be a private. Jeosh Fannaman, come in in.

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Speaker 2: You told me there was something special about this couple.

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Speaker 3: What is it?

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Speaker 2: Obviously they're not going to tell me.

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Speaker 5: Well, GRATCHA.

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Speaker 3: Sergeant Rodriguez has been awarded the nation's highest military decoration,

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Speaker 3: the Congressional Medal of Honor.

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Speaker 1: I'm j R. Martinez and this is Medal of Honor

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Speaker 1: Stories of Courage. The Medal of Honor is the highest

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Speaker 1: military decoration in the United States. It's awarded for gallantry

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Speaker 1: and bravery and combat at the risk of life, above

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Speaker 1: and beyond the call of duty. Each candidate must be

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Speaker 1: the supervisory officer in the field to the White House.

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Speaker 1: This show was about those heroes, what they did, what

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Speaker 1: nature of courage and sacrifice. In this episode, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be Joseph Rodriguez, and I gotta tell you, I really

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Speaker 1: It's because so many elements of Joe's life are familiar

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Speaker 1: What defined him was his dedication to the country he

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Speaker 1: Army in nineteen fifty when he was twenty one years old.

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Speaker 1: He was a private first class in the seventh Infantry Division.

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Speaker 6: Well, I knew there was a war going on in

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Speaker 1: Then Joe got to the front and he was totally overwhelmed.

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Speaker 6: Oh gosh, I tell you, as a buck private up

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Speaker 1: But Joe had something that gave him hope. His helmet

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Speaker 1: The two had met when Rose was a senior in

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Speaker 1: As Rose got to know Joe, she liked him even more.

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Speaker 1: For one thing, he was determined to make a better

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Speaker 6: He raised me up, saying, son, you be a man.

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Speaker 1: That Korea had been divided after World War Two. The

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Speaker 1: Now it was a nasty struggle. Each mile they took

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Speaker 1: the seventh was ordered to advance across a series of ridges.

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Speaker 1: It was a leap frogging attack that went from hill

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Speaker 6: I remember that morning. It was a beautiful day, a

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Speaker 1: The focus was one small peak that dominated the ridge.

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Speaker 6: The casualties are so great. They pulled them back and

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Speaker 1: It was time for Joe's company to go forward into

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Speaker 1: It wasn't nice, well that's an understatement. It was terrible.

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Speaker 1: Automatic weapons fire was pouring down on them. And Joe's

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Speaker 6: We got pinned down, just like our predecessors, and we

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Speaker 1: The company commander had told the men they needed to

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Speaker 1: And then the enemy started to roll grenades down the

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Speaker 6: We were also helpless, and we couldn't move. I guess

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Speaker 1: He wasn't about to sit there and watch his buddies

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Speaker 6: I felt something had to be done. I didn't even

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Speaker 1: It was about sixty yards to the top. The ridge

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Speaker 6: They held the dominating terrain the top of the hill.

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Speaker 6: I knew they were up there, but where I didn't know.

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Speaker 6: I really couldn't see it. All I knew is it

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Speaker 1: He ran towards the sound of gunfire. It was the

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Speaker 1: The enemy was tucked into foxholes. He spotted the first

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Speaker 6: During basic training, they taught us how to throw a grenade,

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Speaker 6: but it was automatic. I didn't think about basic training.

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Speaker 6: I just knew you pull that pin and you release

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Speaker 6: I kept doing it.

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Speaker 1: Then he ran around the left flank. He sprinted towards

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Speaker 1: Joe threw grenades into the nest and the gun fell silent.

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Speaker 6: I ran out of grenades, so I ran back to

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Speaker 2: Out a whole army just because you got mad. Joe,

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