WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Slum Village Part 1 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:10.479 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. I'm in 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:11.920 the hair salon now, y'all. 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:19.280 So there we go. 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:25.520 All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode, a 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:34.120 very detroit episode, yes, of Quest Love Supree. If you're 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:39.320 if you're watching our never ending soft ones on YouTube, 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:43.559 then you know you know why this is a very 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:47.960 detroit episode. If you're just listening, I ain't describing nothing 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:52.600 to y'all. Right now, we got Team Supreme in the house. Fanticlo, Bro, 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:54.760 what man, how's it going? 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:56.440 We're been waiting on this one for a minute, man. 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:58.600 We've we've been waiting for this one for a minute. 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.600 Yeah, man, Little Brother, we were honored recently in our 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:06.319 city in Durham with a proclamation from the mayor and 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:09.080 you know, so it was we're celebrating not twenty of 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:11.880 the year as well as Hip Hops fifty year of course. 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:14.839 And you know there would be no Little Brother without 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:16.520 the group that we have on today. 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:19.760 So exactly, exactly a dream come true. And I've been 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:21.319 waiting on this in four minute. 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:22.240 Sugar Steve, what up? 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:22.400 Bro? 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:24.120 What up? Everybody? 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:25.959 How you doing? 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:29.000 Actually I should say what up though, Sugar Steve, how's 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:29.360 it going. 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:33.920 Everything's good. I'm a couple of our albums have caught 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:37.800 fire on our record label. So but now I got 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:40.720 to spend my whole day shipping fucking records all over 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:41.119 the world. 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:42.840 So that's that's a good problem to have. 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:48.680 Man, you had a dream of your own label, and 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:53.160 it's happening, and you know that's amazing. Speaking of of 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.960 albums that have set the world and movements on fire, 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:02.480 I will say that the totality the higher legacy of 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:06.480 our guest today just ring strong, and not only hip 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:11.200 hop culture, but in music and everything from their. 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:14.840 Production to their delivery, to their cadence. 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:18.480 To be honest with you, just the love that they 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:20.440 have for their city of Detroit, the love that they 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:25.280 have for each other, for hip hop culture, for innovation, 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:30.359 for like doing something original. I guess you could say 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:35.280 that their chemistry is to me, like the most important 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:39.520 element that has kept the legacy of this group alive. 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:44.400 It's not about one specific member over another member. It's 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:49.840 about just the overall chemistry and the contributions that various 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:52.760 members have given this particular organization. 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:57.720 And you know, me myself, nothing will ever ever ever, 0:02:58.440 --> 0:02:58.840 I don't know. 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.280 It's like once you get in this end industry, you 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:04.360 kind of see things different from a production standpoint, from 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:07.359 a creative standpoint, Like there's a part of your life 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:09.560 where music means something to you before you get in 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:12.040 the industry, and then there's a part of your life 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:15.240 when once you're in the industry, you see things. 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:16.720 Different, like you see everyone as a peer. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:22.360 And I don't know when anything that this group has created, 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:23.560 I don't know. 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:25.239 I just I hold. 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:29.280 It like the Holy scriptures coming from Moses. 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:29.720 I don't know. 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:34.120 I can go on with a gazillion descriptions about how 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:37.280 important the legacy of this group is, especially on hip 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:40.600 hop's fiftieth anniversary, but you know we're going to get 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:44.640 to just wrap. It was something we haven't done a 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:48.200 long time. Friends of the show, y'all welcome Slum Village 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:53.920 to Quest Love Supreme. I'm sorry that was like a 0:03:53.960 --> 0:04:01.920 lifetime achievement, right I should have been through VT wars 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:05.520 this week. I don't know, you know, RJ, Rice and 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:08.040 and and T three. Thank you man, Thank you for coming. 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:10.880 What's the word man? Appreciate you having us. 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:13.560 Thank you r J. Where are you right now. 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:15.640 In the studio. We're finishing up this album. 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:19.440 Okay, so you're you're still Detroit right now, Dylan Detroit, 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:22.359 all right? And T three you the same. 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:24.520 Yeah, I'm in Detroit at crib. 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:28.279 I'm just happy to be here, man, and you know, 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.880 happy to be a part of this wonderful show. 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:33.400 Thank you. Wait, I gotta ask y'all. 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:39.719 You know, I absolutely positively never miss an opportunity to 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:44.599 talk out how important the city of Detroit was to 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:48.800 my creativity. I mean, you know, in addition to just 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:52.840 interacting with you guys, and you know, even for about 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:58.320 ten for for for Dyla, anyone, I mean, even illegic 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:02.320 like whoever has come from the city Detroit. But a 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:04.719 lot of my creativity, like a lot of the music 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:07.360 I worked on, I technically did in that city. That's 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:11.039 important to me. And you know, so I feel like 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:14.200 I have a relationship with the city as well that 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:18.280 was instrumental, like between ninety seven and around like two 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:21.760 thousand and six. Uh, and even like when I tore 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.719 like I know places by heart, I go by myself. 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:30.080 Detroit's a little bit different now, like from what I'd 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:32.640 known it as twenty five years ago. Like just as 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:35.719 residents of the city, how do you guys feel about 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:39.359 what's happening in Detroit, Like is it progress? Like things 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:43.880 are just different now, like former firehouses are now like 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:45.320 five star hotels and. 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.800 We rebuild it, you know, Okay, And it's a good 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:52.240 look for the city. You know, it was desolate and 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:54.719 bleak for so long. You know that now we're finally 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:57.160 getting you know what I'm saying, that downtown back how 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:00.320 it's supposed to be. We finally getting the neighbor that 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.279 was run down. You know, they're tearing them down and rebuilding. 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:05.960 So you know, it's it's good for the city, you 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.039 know what I'm saying. And I'm happy to see it. 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:09.400 You know what I'm saying. Make people want to stay 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:11.760 in Detroit, you know what I'm saying, not ready to 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:13.680 get up out of here and go somewhere else. 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:17.240 Right, So the temptation has never been strong to be like, 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.640 all right, well let's relocate to Atlanta or like go 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:21.840 down south or anything. 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:24.920 Nah nah, not for. 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:28.760 Me, no, no, no, no, no, no, not for us, 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:32.039 because you know what, it's just the vibe, you know, 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.560 we like and you could be for yourself, you could 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:36.800 be you could be bothered or not bothered. 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:37.559 It's a choice. 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:40.440 You make and I think I think that's something we like, 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.920 you know, you know us, we kind of stick to ourselves. 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:47.520 So uh yeah, Detroit is a plus for that, you 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:48.279 know what I'm saying. 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:50.960 You know, oftentimes, like all right, take it. Take a city, 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:54.800 a musical city like Austin. Austin takes a pride in 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:59.080 its weirdness. For me, though, like the black version of 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:03.120 what I see all in terms of I've just never 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:06.560 seen a city so open. And once I realized that, 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:10.560 you know, you guys were raised on the Electrified Mojo 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:15.640 and if you know, you guys listening, go on YouTube 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:19.240 and just start listening to Electrifying Mojo, you got to 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:23.000 realize that this dude was basically one of the last 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.760 of the Mohicans in terms of there was a time 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:31.440 when radio really trusted its DJs to do whatever they 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:33.880 wanted to do. You know, now like you kind of are, 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:38.280 you're a prisoner of corporate radio in which the the 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:42.520 playlists are like predetermined before you even you know, like 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:47.200 September's playlist has already been determined for you. So whereas 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.720 a guy like Electrified Mojo back in the early eighties 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.920 was like just playing some of the weirdest music ever. 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:55.120 And so. 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.480 You know, once his listeners are growing up in immersed 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:04.400 in this music, it's it's like, no wonder Detroit is 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:09.240 such a creative hub where people just think different. Is 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:14.560 that weirdness still prevalent in Detroit right now as we speak, or. 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:17.160 I think it's still happening. 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:19.880 I think a lot of a lot of the people 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:23.120 that are the younger people that are kind of weird, 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:25.800 they came up after they came up on us. I 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.400 get a lot of that from people like Curtis Roach 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:30.600 and a couple of other camps from Detroit. 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.640 But then you know, Dray has a whole another side, 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:39.520 which is is hood, you know, from. 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:43.199 These creative people to just hood, you know what I'm saying. 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.280 And then then you got the creative hood, which is 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:47.920 kind of a merge of both, which is like the 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:50.600 side of baby, you know, something like that. 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:52.080 So see, that's the thing. 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:56.880 I even though I think you guys in the very 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.480 beginning might have been slightly defensive towards how we saw 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:03.040 y'all because you know, like the music was one way, 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.560 but you guys were saying something like crazy outlands ship 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:09.000 on top of it, like y'all justicehood and creative. 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:11.480 But I don't know what The. 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.560 First time I came from Detroit, I'm like, yo, this 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:17.600 this is like a city that will listen to Thomas 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:22.520 Dolby and do the Carlton but they're also going to 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.360 beat your ass if you fuck with him, like and 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:27.240 that's the ship I couldn't. 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:32.280 Right, Yeah, I mean, because you know he's always. 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:35.880 Been a collected Uh. We always been uh. I mean 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:39.040 we grew up on Tribe and NWA at the same thing. 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:42.560 It wasn't or, it wasn't rock jazz, it was any 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:46.679 music that we can find creatively, we there and then 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:49.600 we grew up on techno, which is totally something else, 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:50.480 you know in itself. 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:51.240 Thing that's key. 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:55.760 I think you guys embracing electronic music and techno is 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:58.000 the key to why Detroit so crazy. 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:00.880 Yes, yes, creatively, yes. 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:04.200 See, you had it at one point where they would 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:06.079 play all the hood stuff during the day, you know 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:09.360 what I'm saying, the commercial stuff. Then at nighttime when 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:13.040 people going to the clubs was like all techno, you 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.400 know what I'm saying, stuff like that, So our prime 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:19.520 time getting ready for the party was techno music. So 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:22.800 you know, we had the opportunity that had that balance, 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:24.880 you know what I'm saying, Like T was saying. 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:28.120 Can you take us back to the beginning to where 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:32.800 like if I'm looking, I guess in archaeology terms, like 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:35.760 if I'm looking for the spark, you know, the sticks 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:40.280 and students that like built the spark, Where does the 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:42.959 actual where does this story of slum village begin? 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:50.000 I would say it began in Persian High School where 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:50.559 we were. 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:51.679 You know what I'm saying. 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.400 The school, uh, you know, Persian High School, which is 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:57.920 this because when I was coming up to be a rapper, 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:02.440 you know, it was weird that was considered weird to 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:05.720 be a rapper, you know what I'm saying, Because it's 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:08.280 just so like even though it was a few rappers, 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:10.640 hood rappers that was out there, but what we was 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:15.200 on we was extra loe as extra you know, So 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:21.199 we were walking around you know, extra close, extra, you know, dreadlocks, 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.800 you know, we we were very were out there you. 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.640 Know early, you know, you know you know what I'm saying. 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:29.560 So when I. 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:33.760 Heard about other guys that were like me, I was like, oh, okay, 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.319 now we got a squad, you know what I'm saying. 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:38.800 So now that you know, I ran into Dyla because 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:40.800 I heard about him through this guy, through that guy 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:44.080 heard about by ten and then was and it just 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:44.880 all clicked up. 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:47.640 So it was it wasn't a neighborhood thing, like they 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:51.040 weren't your next door neighbors, like you heard about them 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:52.439 from the other side of town or. 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.320 I mean we're in the same neighborhood believe it or not. 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:59.840 But I did not know that, which is like, I mean, 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:02.000 in Detroit, you're not gonna come outside. 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:03.720 Your house and just walk around and you know, you 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:04.559 know what I'm saying. 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:08.000 So you going to your house, you know what I'm saying, 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:10.600 to your destination of back because you don't want no static, 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:12.880 you don't want nothing to happen, So you just going 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:13.440 to where you go. 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:15.840 So I even though we closed it, we all in 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:17.320 KNA Guardens, it was just. 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:21.760 Like different random parts like and had them everyone for school, 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:22.640 you know. 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:28.000 So r J Yo actually our listeners out there should 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:31.800 know that. I mean, you come from a lineage of 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:37.120 you know, Detroit hip hop being as though you know 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:41.280 your father is you know, the legendary RJ of RJ's 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:46.360 latest arrival, Like I grew up listening to shackles. 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:47.400 Heavy in your arms is the one for me? 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:50.760 That's the one, Like, yeah, exactly my rotation right now, 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:51.640 still on my spot. 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:52.319 Yeah. 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:56.360 So can you talk about just growing up as sort 0:12:56.360 --> 0:13:00.200 of like lineage of Detroit culture, Like what is your 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:05.320 childhood like with your parents that are popping, Like, you know, 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:07.000 I have them on Soul Training, I have them on 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:08.520 you know what I mean, Like they were national, they 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:10.560 were always played on radio. 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.000 So what was it like just growing up in that environment? 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:18.480 I grew up on the road, So between them touring 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:20.800 and stuff, you know, like I was like out on 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:23.480 a Fresh Fest and you know, stuff like that with 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:27.080 them as a kid, with Fat Boys and run DMC 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:28.720 and all of that. So that's kind of how I 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:29.280 grew up. 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:31.600 So were there Jermaine sightings as well? 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:33.840 Because I thought Jermaine was the only kid that was 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:36.600 like allowed in the Fresh Fest. 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.000 Did you get to see him at all? Like nah? 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:42.440 Because remember I'm I'm I'm ten years younger than Tea, 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:47.920 ok So I was like two, okay, three years old, 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:52.800 so Jamine dupri was like eleven twelve, Okay, I get it. Yeah, 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:57.359 So between that and then you know, when they would 0:13:57.360 --> 0:13:59.120 be on the road, when I got to a certain age, 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:02.720 I would be my grandmother, and my grandmother stayed in 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:06.680 Coney Gardens because that's where my father grew up at. 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:11.520 So that's how all of everybody kind of came together. 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:14.920 Y'all describe Cooney Gardens like we I know it as 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:15.360 a song. 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:18.679 But what is the neighborhood of kinder Gartens? 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:24.320 Uh, it's a hood, but it's not like you know 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:25.960 what I'm saying. It still got good people. It still 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:28.600 had a good batch of people there. It wasn't overly violent, 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:31.800 but it did have its hood aspects, you know what 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:35.000 I'm saying. We always had a nice park. I lived 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:36.960 right right across the street of a nice park. We 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.480 had a nice you know, place to play in whatever. 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:43.400 So I mean, you know, I don't know why. Uh, 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:46.120 you know, we had so much respect for And it's 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:48.360 the only neighborhood really in the hood where you see 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:51.480 where they got the actual the actual banner where it 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.720 says Coney Gardens, Like they named this hood. You know 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.560 what I'm saying. They really don't do that. It usually 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.640 be like East West that you know, whatever the the streeters, 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:04.440 but they actually named the whole neighborhood so once we 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.160 saw that, you know, we just gravitated to it because 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:11.240 you know, we had found each other and you know, 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:13.120 in this awkward little place as. 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:17.280 Late children of the seventies and eighties, just in your 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:22.000 general childhood, how aware of you guys, of the lineage 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:25.280 of Detroit, Like was living in Detroit just like to 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:30.360 you growing up in the early eighties, Like ah, man, 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:33.440 this town used to have something and then everyone left it, 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:37.280 like there's no more music left like that, was there 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:42.360 still a strong presence of the music lineage that the 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:44.160 world knows as like Detroit. 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:46.920 I definitely say, yeah, man, I grew up on a 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:50.640 Motown sound. That's it was definitely part of my household, 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:54.120 part of everybody. Everybody was still very proud of that. 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:57.160 Even though Motown had left went to Cali, you know 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:58.640 what I'm saying, we were still very proud of that. 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:01.680 We still had the Motown Museum, we still had you know, 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.280 we're still proud of all the musicians that came through. 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.880 So that was the definite just soul music in general. 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:10.880 We was we all grew up on that. That was 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:13.880 definitely part of our you know, our our bringing up. 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:16.360 You know what I would saying, I want to ask 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:19.160 y'all man specifically when you're talking about tech No earlier 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:23.760 New Dance Show and the scene, break that down, like, 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:24.800 what what. 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:27.080 Did that mean to to Detroit culture? 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:27.720 Uh? 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:29.120 That was everything. 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:32.520 Everybody used to run in the house and tune in 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:34.200 our version of soul trained. 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:35.520 You know what I'm saying. 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:39.880 When you see answers who became popular in the neighborhood 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:42.760 for showing up and and and also it broke a 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.520 lot of rappers too, a lot of up and coming 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:47.760 rappers they got a chance to perform on that. So 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:51.840 the New Dance Show was everything for us. My wife 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.240 worked at the museum now for the for the New 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.600 Dance Show, So it's it's still a part of my 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.560 life today, you know what I mean? Yeah, man, it's 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:01.640 it's inspired us in many ways. 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:04.359 I will say that the scene, you know, if you 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.000 to our listeners out there, if you've not watched it, 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:12.520 just to describe it. Like most most territories parts of 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:15.920 the United States would have their local dance show. Detroit 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:19.000 had the scene. I know, Chicago had a show that 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:22.800 was more geared to stepping. Okay, Philadelphia we had our 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:26.800 show called Dancing on Air, which found some success and 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:30.640 actually became national known as Dance Party USA. And that's 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.000 where like Kelly Rippa used to dance on the show whatever. 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:36.440 But oh wow, a lot of local eyes back when 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:41.400 dances were regional. You know, how they danced in Detroit 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.320 is not how they were dancing in Texas. And you know, 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:46.640 you you would only know when you were like visit 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:49.520 cousins in the summertime, like what kind of dance is that? 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:50.080 Or whatever? 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:55.480 So like for Detroit and dancing, do you guys know 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:59.199 the history of the Earl Flynn? Like what is it 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:01.399 about there? And then there is the Earl Flynn still 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.800 a Detroit move or is that just like one specific 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:10.879 generation even your history were dancing? Like I know and 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:15.200 and by Ten's version of Pregnant on the first Slim 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.560 Village album, it's an interlude where he's rhyming over the 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:23.160 Roger loop, right, you know, it's only like forty five seconds, 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:26.480 but he literally I read the lyrics and basically he's 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:28.960 saying that I came to a jit, like I came 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:30.600 to a party to show. 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:32.159 Them how I dance and they looking at me like 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:32.840 I'm a weirdo. 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:36.679 And you know, digit is a Detroit dance kind of 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:40.879 like Chicago got footwork, you know what I'm saying, Detroit 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.320 has its own version, you know what I'm saying, a 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:47.080 little more technical than the footwork. And that's what he 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:49.160 was talking about. He said, when I walk in there 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.639 doing my jit, they looking at me crazy, you know 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:54.320 what I'm saying, because he jitting and he got dreadlocks, 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:58.360 you know what I'm saying. So jitting was like a 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:02.240 cultural thing here, I'm saying, like everybody did it for 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:05.920 the most part, So that's kind of how it worked. 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:09.320 Earl Flynn was like, if I ain't mistaken to you, 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:11.360 that wasn't that like the gang. 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:14.760 Earl Flynn, he can't called the Earl Flynns. And that 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:17.040 was they move that they used to do to List, 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:19.800 That's where it came from. Yes, that's where it came from. 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:20.480 It was a gang. 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:22.280 So answer me this. 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:27.399 Around the Parade album period, you know, I would routinely 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:31.639 like Prince's relationship with Detroit is just on some other level. 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:36.080 Even when I would go back to old album credits 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:40.199 at least like from Controversy nineteen ninety nine, Purple Rain 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:44.119 and whatever. I mean, I didn't even realize that Prince 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:48.080 was Princess love for Detroit, Like all this Detroit shoutouts 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:51.640 start with what up though, you know? And I'm like, 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.720 Prince knows to speak? Like what does Prince know? And 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:59.320 if you watch like concerts in eighty six, assuming that 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:02.040 this is the earl Finn like where you wave your 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:06.040 arms back and forth, Prince was routinely So that was 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:07.600 Prince's version of doing. 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:13.600 The brother spilll a certain way like that or like no. 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:16.520 They have overwhelming love for him. 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:19.119 See you gotta think, like you said, go back to 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:20.840 the uh to the mojo. 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:23.439 Mojo broke Prince. 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:28.320 He would play a whole Prince album on you know 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:32.919 you know what I'm saying sometimes even with the curse words. 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:34.320 And yeah, that was like how does that happen? 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:38.320 And Prince call him. He would pick up the phone 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:42.520 and call him and thank him. So they developed a relationship, 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:45.040 you know what I'm saying, and they became really close. 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:49.560 So he helped he helped Prince break in Detroit. Man, 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:52.240 So you know, they they became great friends. 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:52.480 Man. 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:52.879 You know. 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:53.840 So it's it's just. 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:58.080 A dope that had that Prince incorporated so much detroited there. Yeah, 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:08.520 it was incredible Yeah. 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:07.640 When the Roots first visited. Detroit was the second American 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:12.320 city that we visited when we first started touring, and 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:14.560 the place that they took us was a spot called 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:18.000 the Hip Hop Shop, Okay, which I mean by that point, 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:21.760 Mari's Malone. You know, hip hop fashions were starting in 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:24.560 ninety four ninety five starting to become a little national. 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:27.960 It wasn't just localized, but was the Hip Hop Shop 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:35.000 sort of just like a localized hub for NMC back 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:38.320 in the early nineties or like, how talk to me 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:41.560 about the relationship of that establishment. 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:44.440 Well, we had a few establishments, but that was one 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:47.840 of the main ones, and that was the one that really, 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:51.840 you know, had the breakout artists, you know what I'm saying. 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:57.439 That's where Royce, Eminem and D twelve L and just 0:21:57.640 --> 0:21:59.919 everybody was at this spot. 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:02.400 So this was the spot for MC's. 0:22:02.400 --> 0:22:02.920 You go there. 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:06.560 It was only on Saturdays. They sold closed during the week. 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:09.520 Maurice made his own clothes and sold them and then 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:13.000 he let us have an open mic on on Saturdays. 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:16.840 It was hosted by Proof Recipes to Big Proof, and 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:18.720 you know what I'm saying, It was just it was 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:20.720 just something that we had some of the Illis Battles 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:22.440 now Swam Village. 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:24.080 We didn't really battle, but we used to like. 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:28.680 Premiere songs and play certain joints and do stuff like that. 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:31.320 But it was it was some dope battles there, you know. 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:34.119 Em had a few battles there, a bunch of people, 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:35.520 so it was it was it. 0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:36.040 Was our spot. 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:38.560 It was our only spot really at that time. We 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:41.120 had a couple of nighttime spots, but that was the time. 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:44.000 And it was in seven mile, which is kind of 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:45.840 scary if seven miles. 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:48.240 It's like a. 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:52.000 Martin Luther King Boulevard, you know, type of right, But 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:54.720 at that time, it was all up you know what 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:57.280 I'm saying. Everybody went there. Did they think you had 0:22:57.280 --> 0:22:59.840 some guys smoking weed in the car? You have some 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:02.199 people drinking their little beers and then going there and 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:04.560 do their hip hop, you know what I'm saying. And 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:06.399 then it was just a dope spot for us to 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:09.040 do it. So shout out to Marowice Malone for doing that. 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:09.960 Man setting that up. 0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:15.760 In your opinion, like how how is hip hop translated 0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:19.360 in terms of like, Okay, so a song like Ain't 0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:21.880 No Future in Your Front? Like was that just universally 0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:26.000 accepted by the entire hip hop community or did you 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:28.600 know was it like, Okay, well, you guys are more 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:31.600 West Coast sounding, so you know that's y'alls thing, and 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:34.040 we're more East Coast sounding, so this is our thing. 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:39.439 No, it was universal because we Detroit is like the 0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:44.479 melting pot of every sound. We listened to Luke Intwo 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:47.719 Live Crew on the radio, we listened to Doctor dre 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:52.160 Snoop Dogg, we listened to Trot Twister, and they played 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:56.640 everything in Detroit. So it was just like a dope song. 0:23:56.920 --> 0:23:59.720 Detroit just accepted it as a dope song. It wasn't 0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:03.240 a out It sounded more Cali. It was just, you 0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:06.359 know what I'm saying, represented the city as a whole. 0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:11.679 Speaker on the first moment in which it's like, okay, 0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:14.720 let's start a group. Now I know before it was 0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:18.520 slum Village, that the name was sound. 0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:20.960 Cinepon y. 0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:24.680 All right, doess backwards? 0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:30.040 Okay, oh okay. So explained to me how like the 0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:35.280 year that starts and the group in that formation, and that. 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:38.640 Formation it started off, like I said, I heard about 0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:39.200 these cats. 0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:42.080 Number one we was dancing tiam But speaking of dancing, 0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:43.879 everybody in my crew dance too. 0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:45.440 By the way, you had to dance. 0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:46.359 I can attest to this. 0:24:46.640 --> 0:24:49.840 Yes, you know what I'm saying, So everybody in the 0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:50.360 crew dance. 0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:53.800 But anyway, I heard about some cats, I about Dyla 0:24:53.880 --> 0:24:57.040 and this, and I heard about by ten. But first 0:24:57.119 --> 0:24:59.200 it was like me and by ten and I got 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:01.040 with bout ten and why g first and we had 0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:05.040 a group called hard to Pose, which one he did 0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:07.840 two songs, but yeah, it was it was more West 0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:10.159 Coast gangster sounding a little bit, but yeah, we had 0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:13.040 those couple of songs. We did that, and then then 0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:16.080 we heard about Dyla about the beats, and then while 0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:18.480 she introduced me to that, then we decided to do 0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:22.560 official cinepod stuff, which means we went to the studio 0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:28.920 Mold's studio, this Hood studio, and we recorded these couple 0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:32.560 of records and one of the records had a Flip 0:25:32.600 --> 0:25:36.480 Wilson sample in it, so it's very zany. It was 0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:40.680 very element that is what you what you heard from 0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:46.040 uh uh centerpore. So the CENTERPID lineup was me, Uh, 0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:52.639 why was uh by ten? Deyla QUD was this? 0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:53.560 Yeah? 0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:56.040 QD was in this because that's when dancers was really 0:25:56.080 --> 0:25:58.639 a part of it. And QD started off dancing first, 0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:00.240 so he was a part of it. 0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:03.199 So you're saying that at this point, Ellmeness was kind 0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:04.040 of all north Star. 0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:12.440 Yeah, never stop between them and uh organized early yes, 0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:13.800 but definitely Ellen. 0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:14.280 S for sure. 0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:15.520 Okay. Yeah. 0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:18.560 So and so we made our couple of first records 0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:21.960 on which was called rat a Tat tat the sound 0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:22.879 of the Whack. 0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:29.159 And you know, we all doing a chance we do 0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:32.400 it and uh, you get you know all. 0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:34.080 That, you know all that because everybody was doing that 0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:36.960 at that time, and uh and then we did a 0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:40.440 couple of records that cinepop only that before we form 0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:41.080 Slan Village. 0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:43.359 Sure their records, I. 0:26:43.400 --> 0:26:45.720 Said, only two records on two records literally to. 0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:48.680 No, no, no, I mean like physical like I can 0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:50.080 find this own eBay records. 0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:51.960 Oh no, not physical records. 0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:54.520 Okay, y'all just made something. I was about to say, man, 0:26:54.680 --> 0:27:00.320 okay records back then, Like what was the sense of 0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:00.960 making music? 0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:05.720 Like who was because you're naming a lot of NCA's 0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:08.240 and a lot of beat makers, so like what was 0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:10.359 what was the division of labor at least for that 0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:11.480 particular project, Like. 0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:16.440 I think why j produced one and Dyla produced one. 0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:22.560 Put only did backgrounds and me ten Dila rapped and 0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:26.280 U featured this one guy, this guy who was a 0:27:26.440 --> 0:27:27.880 who turned out to be an R and B singer, 0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:28.600 I forget his name. 0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:31.600 Uh yeah, but yeah. 0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:35.400 I was like, all right, right, no, I mean he underground. 0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:36.520 He didn't he didn't blow. 0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:41.080 Up big, but he okay, I see. And that configuration 0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:45.119 lasted for how long? And then how did it morphed 0:27:45.119 --> 0:27:48.120 into the second phase of the group, which I guess 0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:49.679 is slum village. 0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:53.800 And it maybe lasts for a few months before everybody 0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:57.560 decided at that time that you know, dancing was kind 0:27:57.600 --> 0:28:00.640 of been getting played out a little bit, maybe maybe 0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:03.400 a year. Maybe dancer was getting played obviously, we don't 0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:06.480 really need to dance with no more. And Andy was 0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:08.800 like Dyla's beast is incredible. I don't need to be 0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:11.680 doing no beats no more. And then it was like, well, 0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:15.280 we only people left, so it was basically there. So 0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:18.000 we was in the basement one day and. 0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:21.280 Did you know it was like when you're hearing this 0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:26.159 stuff and I've heard even in the what what we 0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:31.159 call the camp, the camp amp Era shout out to 0:28:31.200 --> 0:28:38.000 amp Fiddler yeah, the camp Amp era of Dyla's musical development. 0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:42.320 Were you guys at all aware, like, all right, this 0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:45.760 is a weird ass shit, Like I live in a 0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:50.000 territory and still to this day, I know that a 0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:55.080 part of my production has to appease the need to 0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:58.959 please the barber shop in Tarik's head, you know, whereas 0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:01.320 like sometimes I want to do some crazy, off kilter shit, 0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:03.600 but then I'll give it to Tariqu like he ain't 0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:06.479 gonna fuck with this because it's just too weird sounded. 0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:10.560 But it's almost like like all those I think the 0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:13.360 earliest song I heard from you guys is was it 0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:15.840 here come the drums or bring the drums or. 0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:17.440 Yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about. 0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:20.880 Yes about the drips, which is crazy shit, you know 0:29:20.880 --> 0:29:21.200 what I mean. 0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:23.760 Even the early demos of the songs that wound up 0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:27.920 on Fantastic were just super weird, Like how is there 0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:32.960 no filter for especially coming from Detroit, which I imagine 0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:36.320 you have to have a protective shell of hardness to 0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:41.040 get respect. You guys were just like anything goes and 0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:46.560 if it's weird, it's dope, Like, yes, this is true. 0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:50.160 I mean, I think, like I say, most of our 0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:54.320 albums were based on comedy, so just us making each 0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:57.440 other live is what we was really doing. So we 0:29:57.600 --> 0:29:59.760 had dad, so we would you know, when we was 0:29:59.800 --> 0:30:03.240 working our little factory jobs together, we basically laughing all day, 0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:06.360 creating ideas using that for songs, just you know. 0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:09.040 So it just basically came out of humor and it 0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:09.680 was enough. 0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:11.680 Of us where we felt like we could just stay 0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:14.000 in our bubble and never be a part of the 0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:16.280 real world almost, you know what I'm saying. 0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:19.600 So we were just in our bubble just period. 0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:21.840 Like when you play it for your boys and there's 0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:24.840 no cringing, like that's a demo fast forward, Like. 0:30:25.880 --> 0:30:28.080 All my boys was just as weird. So it was 0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:29.959 just like we was all found each other. 0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:34.240 It was a good hundred of us eventually, but you 0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:36.040 know what I'm saying, But the core was like a 0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:39.120 good team. So yeah, we was all just as weird, 0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:40.760 and they was like the weird of the best. Oh man, 0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:43.760 it's you know what I'm saying, Because to us, hip 0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:46.680 hop was all new. We didn't kind of grow up 0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:50.120 on no structure like New York did when hip hop 0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:51.880 was a certain type of way, and you know what 0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:54.880 I'm saying, it was just whatever I creative you can get, 0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:56.320 you know what I'm saying. 0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:59.240 And that's that's kind of what we incorporated for people 0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:02.280 that so immersed pop culture? How are you getting this 0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:07.000 stuff where? And from my first fifteen years of coming 0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:11.040 to Detroit, there really wasn't nothing like I knew you guys, 0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:13.040 So you guys were entertainment enough. 0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:18.000 But for the average person, like what do you what 0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:19.719 was there for culture? 0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:25.200 Well? The cultures we're building this thing up, you know. 0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:28.440 You know what I'm saying from from stone by stone, 0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:32.920 So you you saying, Okay, when Club Gillna started coming up, 0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:34.920 we started building up our audience where we had. 0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:37.720 A literal following of people. 0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:40.520 At least we can we can get one hundred people 0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:43.000 to come to our show, you know what I'm saying. 0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:45.840 And that's why when you hear when you hear the 0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:46.880 Look of Love and you hear. 0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:51.200 You hear an audience singing it, that's just fans before 0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:53.720 we even got it got on, you know what I'm saying, 0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:56.920 because we had already pulled up a base. He's by piece, 0:31:57.960 --> 0:31:59.840 you know what I'm saying. As far as the movie 0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:01.920 it is, it was one theater in the hood that 0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:02.960 you could go through called. 0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:03.360 A bel air. 0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:08.600 No, no, I didn't go there. I know about the 0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:09.160 bel Air. 0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:13.440 I used to have to catch a bus to get 0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:16.640 to it. But yeah, it's nice theater though, But yeah, 0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:18.640 that's the spot. And I knew you was the movie 0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:21.560 man because you know, we went to the movies one time. 0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:22.880 We was on the road together somewhere. 0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:28.040 Yeah, that's my thing. I was like, damn nothing, what 0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:29.040 do y'all do up here? 0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:34.600 So all right, So the thing is is that when 0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:38.560 Fantastic is finally coming to Fruition, so what's what's the 0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:39.840 discussion in. 0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:45.240 Terms of like, let's we we gotta make our own tape. 0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:47.240 And I heard there was a rumor that you guys 0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:52.680 were initially about to sign to Ruben Rodriguez's Pendulum label. 0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:56.560 Yeah, that was that was the possibility, but that was 0:32:56.720 --> 0:32:59.120 that was later though a little bit later now, But yeah, 0:32:59.160 --> 0:32:59.720 I was. 0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:03.360 Was earlier before because I think Pendsulum came out like 0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:03.960 ninety two. 0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:08.440 Correct, Yeah, Pendulum is before volume uh Fantastic Volume one. 0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:13.200 That was way popsic. Yeah Sally, that was true. Okay, Yeah, 0:33:13.240 --> 0:33:15.920 that's what happened. Well, we were signed to John Sally 0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:16.680 and his Dad. 0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:21.360 They had a uh they had a place called Hoops Studio, Okay, 0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:25.000 and uh basically they were gonna sign us they was 0:33:25.560 --> 0:33:28.280 was it was between us and uh diggable planners. 0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:37.040 Oh wow, oh WOWE and y'all almost Yeah, this explains it. 0:33:37.680 --> 0:33:41.080 The thing is is that you guys sounds like when 0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:45.560 I heard Fantastic, we were more amazed that like this 0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:48.120 isn't it doesn't feel like a demo. This sounds it 0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:50.880 sounds like this group has had experience before. Y'all sounded 0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:54.480 like professional. Now Fantastic winds up in my hands in 0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:58.920 like ninety six ninety seven, So even by ninety two, 0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:05.120 you guys were at least set or poised to make 0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:11.200 your grand rival or whatever. So yeah, now that makes sense. 0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:13.439 Do you think you guys were ready for that back 0:34:13.480 --> 0:34:14.040 then or. 0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:15.759 No? 0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:18.640 Are you glad how how it turned out? Yes? 0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:21.719 Absolutely, because if we would have came out, we had 0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:24.200 this song called is It the Magic? And it had 0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:28.400 the upright base and it was it was everything you wanted, 0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:30.560 a jazz slash. 0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:33.719 Rap it could be. 0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:34.520 It was all that. 0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:37.040 You know what I'm saying, am Philip was on the planet. 0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:40.759 Shout out to Phila always shown us Love. Yeah, so 0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:43.600 that was that was that record. No, I don't think 0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:46.680 we was ready because we were still developing styles and 0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:47.560 I just think. 0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:51.520 We weren't ready at that time. What do you think, Jay. 0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:57.920 Hey Man, Yeah, that's what I say. I think it 0:34:58.040 --> 0:34:59.600 worked out exactly how it was supposed to. 0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:04.480 I was recently doing this radio show about the Milestone 0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:09.480 Records label and McCoy tyner specifically, and the guy who 0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:12.920 owned that label or and keep News, said something to 0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:18.759 the effect of when he first met McCoy, you know, 0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:21.160 McCoy was like, you know, you gave me this one session, 0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:24.920 then you never called me again until until later on, 0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:30.439 and he said, well, back then, you weren't McCoy yet. 0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:33.560 You weren't McCoy tyner yet, meaning you know, he hadn't 0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:36.520 developed his unique style, et cetera. 0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:37.600 He found his voice. 0:35:38.160 --> 0:35:40.000 So when when you all were starting out this time 0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:43.040 period that we're talking about, was dilla dilla yet? Is 0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:47.360 what I'm asking, like his earliest beats had he found 0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:50.719 what we now know as what he did? The quest 0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:51.839 could probably answer this question. 0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:55.440 I think I think as a as a listener, there 0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:59.560 were already signs of what was coming in the future, 0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:04.719 So sort of like and you know, I've gotten my 0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:07.000 hands on a lot of these, like ninety two beats, 0:36:07.080 --> 0:36:11.560 ninety three beats. Yeah, even for back then, that was 0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:15.040 a really unorthodox thinking that. 0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:15.719 You know. 0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:20.160 I was like, wow, even early, like I'm pressed to 0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:23.000 find something that I'm like that's not really whack, Like 0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:25.000 you see that he was searching for it. 0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:28.920 Of course he perfects it, but I don't know that's 0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:32.120 that to me, Like coming out the gate, it was. 0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:36.000 An immediately like a jarring thing of like, this isn't 0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:40.400 like how the hip hop I grew up sounding is 0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:43.560 made so but it didn't sound like an amateur making. 0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:46.279 It sounded like someone doing it on purpose. 0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:49.880 Right, But you all recognized at that, even early on 0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:52.120 that he was a special talent. 0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:54.360 Yes, when I heard its beat, I was like, this 0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:56.320 is it. This is it. 0:36:56.760 --> 0:37:00.400 Early early, first of all, you think it just you 0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:03.279 and your neighborhood, like, oh, he's just good for your neighborhood. 0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:06.480 But then you started it started branching up. You're like, 0:37:06.800 --> 0:37:11.960 wait a minute, this guy is really incredible and like 0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:13.920 you know, like I said, he started off with just 0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:17.279 a pause and Cassette took that was then went to 0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:19.520 this and went to that learner. It was like, man, 0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:22.240 I was amazed. I was just happy to be alone 0:37:22.280 --> 0:37:25.080 for the ride. For the most part, before we even 0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:28.279 got a chance to develop what slum village would come 0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:28.480 to be. 0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:30.759 I was just looking at him like, how's this kid? 0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:34.640 Who my age? Well, how's he doing? You know what 0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:37.759 I'm saying. I'm looking right away the same age, you know. 0:37:37.880 --> 0:37:39.880 You know know what I'm saying. And he was just 0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:40.360 killing it. 0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:42.640 You know what I'm saying. What year were you born? 0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:43.160 R Jay? 0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:45.040 Like, how old were you at the time when this 0:37:45.239 --> 0:37:45.720 is happening? 0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:47.160 Ninety two? 0:37:47.440 --> 0:37:49.319 I'm about eight nine years old. 0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:50.800 Okay. 0:37:50.920 --> 0:37:55.040 So when you're first hearing this, does it hit you different? 0:37:55.080 --> 0:37:57.400 I think as an adult, that hits me different simply 0:37:57.480 --> 0:38:00.840 because you know, I knew what the lay of the 0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:02.800 land was. For me, the lay of the land was 0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:06.920 like what tribe was doing, and what Dayla was doing, 0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:09.319 and what public enemy was doing, what Morley mal was doing. 0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:12.560 And so Dyla's arrival was more akin to that of 0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:16.440 like Godzilla come to town, like wait, what the hell 0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:18.040 is that over there? You know, that sort of thing. 0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:22.520 But for you to come, you know, to be much younger. 0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:26.160 It's not like you had an established lay of the 0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:29.239 land of what once was like, oh, black and white television, 0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:32.680 Suddenly like and the Wizard of Ours, everything turns to color. 0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:36.919 So for you, though, like, how are you receiving this At. 0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:40.360 A young age, I knew it was dope because he 0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:44.040 was producing for my kids group. So he was doing 0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:45.160 some of our demos. 0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:49.480 Oh wow, wait, really for sure? Tell me about this. 0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:50.520 I didn't know this. 0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:55.319 I had a group called First It went from rich 0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:59.080 Kids Kids you not. You know what I'm saying, And 0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:04.000 it's always and he was and he was producing the 0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:08.760 demos for us because of the studio. We was all signed, 0:39:08.880 --> 0:39:12.680 so my proms had us signed. He had slum sign, 0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:17.960 he had Paul Rosenberg, Eminem's manager, was signed to the label. 0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:19.680 And he was rhyming. 0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:21.560 Yeah, he was rhyming. 0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:23.320 I need evidence. 0:39:24.840 --> 0:39:29.960 It was dope too, Paul Bullet. Yes, it's as Skinny Supreme. 0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:30.880 Did you know this? 0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:32.080 Yeah? 0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:36.719 Yeah, yeah, it's in Dan's book he talks about it 0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:37.200 a little bit. 0:39:37.320 --> 0:39:37.520 Yeah. 0:39:37.880 --> 0:39:39.800 No, No, I just never heard the music. 0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:43.080 I never heard the music, but I've heard the story. 0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:46.359 Okay. Yeah, So it was all of us up there 0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:47.880 and this Barack Recordings. 0:39:48.360 --> 0:39:51.680 No, this is hoo sounds. This is in ninety two 0:39:51.880 --> 0:39:55.000 when he opened the studio with Sally. We would go 0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:57.759 up there and I would see him. You know, I 0:39:57.880 --> 0:40:00.719 come home from school and seeing the make beats in 0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:03.279 my kitchen, you know what I'm saying. So it was 0:40:03.440 --> 0:40:06.320 just like, Okay, this is like a big brother and 0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:09.080 I'm seeing him, you know what I'm saying. Record and 0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:13.080 then he was making demos for us, so I always knew, 0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:14.560 you know what I'm saying, he was dope. 0:40:15.280 --> 0:40:17.480 So who's teaching you how to make beats at this time? 0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:17.640 Like? 0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:21.480 How old were you when you started messing around on machines? 0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:23.640 What technology was at the studio? 0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:29.520 I start making beats the first time I was on 0:40:29.640 --> 0:40:34.120 the DMX drum machine, just programming in the drum machine, 0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:37.400 and I was just picking up pops equipment. When I 0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:42.000 actually started producing was around the age of thirteen fourteen, 0:40:42.880 --> 0:40:46.120 and just being at the studio, I was like, man, 0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:47.680 I might as well give it a shot. So I 0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:50.040 asked my Pops and he was like, man, I'm not 0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:53.040 teaching you nothing, you know what I'm saying, Get the machine, 0:40:53.239 --> 0:40:56.080 figure it out if you want to do it. So 0:40:56.560 --> 0:40:59.560 I sat there and figured it out. Eventually the guys 0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:02.120 come to studio. He like playing some beats. This is 0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:08.040 around like ninety seven okay, you know what I'm saying, 0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:11.680 and ninety eight, and I played them and they laughed 0:41:11.680 --> 0:41:13.759 at the beats. Deyla vout ten and t was just 0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:18.839 fell out laughing, and you know, they like these beats 0:41:18.880 --> 0:41:22.160 funny as hell. So after they leave out, you know 0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:24.719 what I'm saying, Dylan like, yo, man, let me show 0:41:24.719 --> 0:41:26.960 you some stuff. So he showed me, you know what 0:41:26.960 --> 0:41:28.680 I'm saying, how to work the three thousand. 0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:29.480 Okay. 0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:32.920 So I'm like, okay, So he like, work on that, 0:41:33.080 --> 0:41:35.200 and when I come back, I'm gonna show you some 0:41:35.320 --> 0:41:36.880 more stuff. I want to hear what you're doing. So 0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:40.720 he would come back in check up, Okay, what you got? Okay? 0:41:40.840 --> 0:41:42.600 This is how you work the effects in the three 0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:46.800 thousand to get delays and stuff. And then eventually, you 0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:49.279 know what I'm saying, Corrupt came to Detroit and I 0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:51.880 ended up producing some songs for Corrupt. 0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:53.279 How old were you the time? 0:41:54.080 --> 0:41:54.560 Fifteen? 0:41:55.280 --> 0:41:57.120 Wow? Okay. 0:41:57.800 --> 0:42:02.000 So when Dylan heard the beats that I did for Corrupt, 0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:06.879 he was like, okay, now you ready. And then that's 0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:10.480 when you know it just I kind of got in 0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:13.920 a mix with that and then producing a climax with 0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:17.320 Dylan right and mixing the record and all of that stuff. 0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:19.840 That's how I ended up at the video shooting with 0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:20.359 you all. 0:42:21.360 --> 0:42:29.760 Ah nice nice damn. So you were literally young RJ. Sure, yes, literally? 0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:32.319 So can you tell me how? 0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:36.719 And the whole process of making Fantastic one, because for me, 0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:44.600 the bomb at Dyla dropped on me was that he 0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:49.960 made the music for Fantastic Volume one. After the vocals 0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:53.080 were done. He was like, he would just do a 0:42:53.239 --> 0:42:57.000 high hat and you guys would just rhyme to the 0:42:57.080 --> 0:42:57.480 high hat. 0:42:57.800 --> 0:43:01.200 I would say this number one. It is what happened though. 0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:06.560 Volume one got done because a beat, a dumb beat. 0:43:07.200 --> 0:43:08.200 It was the group five Ella. 0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:10.879 Shout out to them and this saf i ella that's 0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:15.239 on all of y'alls on hey five Ella? 0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:15.799 Wait? 0:43:15.880 --> 0:43:16.520 Are y'all singing? 0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:16.920 Wait? 0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:19.759 Is this five four three two one ll thing again? 0:43:19.840 --> 0:43:21.879 Are y'all like beefing with each other on the song? 0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:22.960 Yes? Yes? 0:43:23.080 --> 0:43:25.720 Wait wait wait? I was only playing are you serious? 0:43:26.800 --> 0:43:30.719 First of all, every song on Volume one is me 0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:33.120 to talk about Dylan Dyla, talk about me or him 0:43:33.160 --> 0:43:34.040 talking about boxing. 0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:39.839 I don't even ask that question. I'm talking about other crews. Yeah, 0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:42.279 you guys are just basically using the microphone as a 0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:49.200 pulpit bully like method. Yes, yes, yes, you gotta give 0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:51.080 me specifics because when. 0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:53.680 Dylan saying, I'm still sicking niggas popping up in my crib, but. 0:43:53.800 --> 0:43:57.080 He talking about to announced the ship about me because 0:43:57.200 --> 0:44:00.840 this nigga he told me, he said, he'll tell you 0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:02.680 to come to his crib and then he won't ask 0:44:02.719 --> 0:44:03.080 it the dog. 0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:05.440 And then he's saying, I'm pumping up, but I'm not 0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:08.839 popping at the crib you're talking to. I walked over here. 0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:12.719 Never knew this ship like that. 0:44:13.000 --> 0:44:15.040 Man us to stuff like that. 0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:20.880 Yes, and so counterfeit. Niggas be running like, yeah. 0:44:21.520 --> 0:44:24.319 Come back, yes we That's all we did all day 0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:26.520 was talk about each other on the bus. 0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:29.839 You were lightly ranking on each other. 0:44:30.520 --> 0:44:32.800 Yeah, I mean, you know, because that's kind of niggas. 0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:35.279 We was when I don't know why the fun I'm 0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:39.239 fucking with you, Well, that's that was a chick that 0:44:39.480 --> 0:44:40.400 the Deyla was messing with. 0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:43.120 That's that it was. It wasn't it wasn't, I ain't 0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:43.600 talking about it. 0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:45.520 But then by ten threw a couple of slick lines 0:44:45.560 --> 0:44:50.120 in there too, though A yeah, all we used to do. 0:44:50.640 --> 0:44:52.480 But like I said, it started off with a beef 0:44:52.560 --> 0:44:56.560 with them, and Dylan had produced a whole tape now 0:44:56.640 --> 0:45:00.680 Man you and came out with official nothing yet, and 0:45:00.800 --> 0:45:03.320 they was bragging like Dyla did our stuff before he 0:45:03.440 --> 0:45:09.600 did y'alls boom, So here come watch the hyping us up. 0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:12.960 The first song we're gonna do is players talking about them. 0:45:13.440 --> 0:45:14.680 That's the first song we did. 0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:16.520 Players. 0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:19.160 We were talking about them and this other guy from 0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:20.960 the old hip hop scene that I was talking about 0:45:21.000 --> 0:45:24.040 personally because we was dating the same girl, and he 0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:27.799 got mad and I tried to anyway, but yeah, something 0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:31.320 like that. So so that's how it all kind of started. 0:45:32.080 --> 0:45:32.239 You know. 0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:35.000 After that, what is the seven eight eight. 0:45:35.440 --> 0:45:40.040 Seven eighty eight is our birthdays, So I'm I'm Dela's 0:45:40.160 --> 0:45:45.239 February seventh, I'm uh November eighth, and by Tennis March eighth, 0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:47.440 so it's it's just our birthdays. 0:45:48.040 --> 0:45:48.960 So weird, all right. 0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:53.560 So it was inspired by that. So we we did 0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:56.359 like half of the take to just clicks and then 0:45:56.560 --> 0:46:00.359 half we did beats. So I went off. But even 0:46:00.400 --> 0:46:04.320 with the beats that we did. He's still remixed. It 0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:08.520 wasn't the same either. So so that's how we did volume, 0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:10.080 and we did it, like I said, we did. 0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:12.160 It in a week because we had all these rhymes 0:46:12.200 --> 0:46:14.920 that we and songs, you know what I'm saying, just 0:46:15.239 --> 0:46:17.960 from ten years of being together. You gotta we was 0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:20.879 together for a long time before we actually came kind 0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:22.160 of out, you know what I'm saying. 0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:24.480 So what did that record? Volume went on? Because it 0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:28.280 sounds like y'all just recording on like headphone mic, like all. 0:46:28.200 --> 0:46:31.080 Type we recorded. 0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:33.080 We record part of it on hand phone mis we 0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:35.600 because we had two mics, and then we had to 0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:38.640 do part of it straight to that. So it's stuff 0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:41.080 right to that that mean one takes. That means if 0:46:41.120 --> 0:46:43.320 you fuck that, we had all over again, do it 0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:45.759 again because we're doing straight to that. Then we took 0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:48.960 part over to our ja's studio room once we got 0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:49.719 some time to do that. 0:46:50.000 --> 0:46:56.839 So it's all over the place with that. Yeah, that's 0:46:56.880 --> 0:46:58.840 why we had the role because we didn't did it 0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:02.160 like twenty seven times like oh fuck that figure? 0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:05.080 Yeah, I mean, but I enjoyed the process and when 0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:07.319 we made it, or we made it, if you listen 0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:09.440 to me at the end, I was like, Ooh, I 0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:13.400 already knew. I already like in the UH or one 0:47:13.440 --> 0:47:15.480 of those thugs, I already knew it was gonna be 0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:15.960 a classic. 0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:16.640 Yeah. 0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:18.320 I was like, ooh, this is it? 0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:20.480 So question all right? 0:47:20.560 --> 0:47:23.319 I always wanted to know this, and I know I'm 0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:25.719 like asking you to remember like inside jokes from like 0:47:25.800 --> 0:47:29.640 almost thirty years ago, but so on fat Cats song 0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:33.200 or at least at the end of how We Bullshit 0:47:34.360 --> 0:47:39.000 after listening to this song for like twenty five years, 0:47:39.080 --> 0:47:43.560 I listened. I listened to UH Fantastic, like it's entirely 0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:45.400 last night for the first time in like maybe like 0:47:47.200 --> 0:47:49.600 maybe like five years, Like it's it's been a minute 0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:52.040 since I just sat down and listen to any album, 0:47:52.160 --> 0:47:53.600 and it's in its entirety. 0:47:54.239 --> 0:47:56.960 But it finally hit me. 0:47:58.120 --> 0:48:01.680 Am I correct in assuming that you guys, at the 0:48:01.719 --> 0:48:05.359 time that you recorded it, the Soul Train Awards must 0:48:05.440 --> 0:48:09.920 have just came on, because you're obviously talking about escape. 0:48:10.200 --> 0:48:12.359 Like at the very beginning, like you guys are trying 0:48:12.400 --> 0:48:14.040 to remember their name. You're like, you know the group, 0:48:14.120 --> 0:48:17.319 the sings get back you see LEXI, Right, But then 0:48:17.360 --> 0:48:21.880 there's a moment where I believe that you guys are 0:48:22.080 --> 0:48:27.520 mocking Color Me Bads first single of their sophomore album, 0:48:27.680 --> 0:48:28.440 Time and Change. 0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:34.720 Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true. Yeah yeah, because comedy. 0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:35.680 Everything was comedy. 0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:36.319 That is true. 0:48:36.480 --> 0:48:36.799 All right. 0:48:36.840 --> 0:48:38.879 Do you remember the second album that Colored Me Bad? 0:48:38.960 --> 0:48:43.800 Did Fonte where timon Chance? Yeah, when they they decided 0:48:43.880 --> 0:48:48.000 to enlist Bootsy in the Pfunk All Stars as their band. 0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:51.000 Oh I missed that point, but it was really weird, 0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:53.719 like anywhere they were going, like literally like I'm looking 0:48:53.760 --> 0:48:57.400 at Gary Mupp and Walker and Bootsy Collins and Catfish, 0:48:58.160 --> 0:49:01.719 but just be side guys to call me bad, not 0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:05.840 like hey, like at least in Delight, like Delight was 0:49:05.880 --> 0:49:08.279 like yo, yo, we got run Bouc's robber band as 0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:11.480 our band. But literally I saw performance on the Soul 0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:14.960 Trade Awards. Finally I looked it up, and I believe 0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:19.279 that that's what you guys were mocking, because like, at 0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:21.800 no point, dude, did you guys think that that was 0:49:21.840 --> 0:49:23.799 ever going to get out or get back to them 0:49:23.920 --> 0:49:24.640 or anything like that. 0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:26.920 So I think I think we thought we was being 0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:29.040 so coded that people was gonna really be. 0:49:29.120 --> 0:49:32.040 Like, ah, you know what I'm saying, you know, it 0:49:32.120 --> 0:49:36.920 took me a minute as possible trying to be and 0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:39.120 that was and that was shout out to frank Nick. 0:49:39.160 --> 0:49:39.759 That was frank Nick. 0:49:39.840 --> 0:49:41.359 That was saying that too. That was frank Nick. 0:49:42.520 --> 0:49:45.319 Okay, so, I mean, like I said, everything was based 0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:48.080 on jokes comedy. I don't know why we decided to 0:49:48.120 --> 0:49:51.080 say that before the song that that we was getting 0:49:51.120 --> 0:49:53.759 ready to record, but we just. 0:49:53.840 --> 0:49:57.200 Kept it like, oh, okay, what was your level of 0:49:57.400 --> 0:50:00.600 shock that not only. 0:50:01.920 --> 0:50:04.719 Is this going to take off in your city, but 0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:09.360 at what point do you realize that this cassette demo 0:50:10.800 --> 0:50:18.080 might actually be not only hip hop's most important creative 0:50:18.120 --> 0:50:21.600 shift very quietly though, I mean not like in terms 0:50:21.640 --> 0:50:25.080 of Doctor Dre like turning the whole world around with 0:50:25.320 --> 0:50:27.239 the sound of the West Coast the g funk sound, 0:50:27.320 --> 0:50:30.759 but at what point do you realize that this thing 0:50:31.719 --> 0:50:34.239 is going to be bigger than just something local or 0:50:34.360 --> 0:50:38.799 something that's dope for hip hop, but almost like damn 0:50:38.840 --> 0:50:42.200 nearrow its own genre or a way of life, Like, 0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:43.759 at what point does that hit you? 0:50:44.760 --> 0:50:45.360 Believe it or not? 0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:50.880 Once we got that demo or that volume one to 0:50:51.440 --> 0:50:56.440 Q tips hands right, and he started calling this person 0:50:56.760 --> 0:51:01.319 and people like you and the people like yeah, Jelo, 0:51:02.320 --> 0:51:05.160 all of these people saying, oh man, that's what I'm 0:51:05.200 --> 0:51:08.160 looking like. Okay, these are people that I admire, you 0:51:08.239 --> 0:51:11.160 know what I'm saying, and I love their music. And 0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:15.080 that's when you know, Okay, we do got some legs, 0:51:15.480 --> 0:51:17.200 you know. You know what I'm saying, We got something 0:51:17.239 --> 0:51:19.520 to stand on. But you know how long that takes 0:51:19.560 --> 0:51:22.200 because it's word of mouth. First of all, you had 0:51:22.239 --> 0:51:23.120 to mail the tape. 0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:25.080 Remember, you got to add yes. 0:51:28.040 --> 0:51:31.560 Citizism. Okay, now you gotta wait. Then they gotta listen 0:51:31.600 --> 0:51:31.800 to it. 0:51:32.080 --> 0:51:32.839 Then they gotta play. 0:51:33.000 --> 0:51:35.080 Hey boy, y'all ain't in the same state. So he 0:51:35.560 --> 0:51:38.880 but you Tip single handedly played it for everybody. 0:51:39.719 --> 0:51:40.439 You know what I'm saying. 0:51:40.640 --> 0:51:40.960 He did. 0:51:42.239 --> 0:51:45.920 I can attest that the first time I heard Fantastic 0:51:46.000 --> 0:51:52.000 Volume one, I was in Germany and living off of 0:51:52.080 --> 0:51:57.320 per diem and weekly stipend. So you know, like you know, 0:51:58.239 --> 0:52:02.440 to be a broke star musician living on about three 0:52:02.560 --> 0:52:07.359 hundred seventy five dollars a week on your own defin 0:52:07.440 --> 0:52:12.000 for yourself, and the temptation, you know, to pick up 0:52:12.040 --> 0:52:16.360 the phone to call the United States long distance for 0:52:16.480 --> 0:52:21.120 twenty five minutes right right. No, literally, like I told them, 0:52:21.360 --> 0:52:24.960 like set up a microphone to the speakerphone. I want 0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:28.880 to hear this whole entire thing that was. 0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:31.600 That was That was a one. 0:52:31.560 --> 0:52:35.560 Hundred and sixty eight dollars phone call that I could 0:52:35.640 --> 0:52:41.120 not afford. And no, seriously, I was like, Okay, I 0:52:41.200 --> 0:52:44.960 can live off of Pomfrets. There's a joke in the 0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:51.920 roots community Pomfret's buku tamat usually after midnight when bodega's 0:52:52.320 --> 0:52:55.480 or like those those like late night spots that are 0:52:55.760 --> 0:52:58.160 about to close, right before they closed, they might like 0:52:58.239 --> 0:53:02.120 sell the food for cheap. When you're touring Europe, you know, 0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:04.920 you'll go to the kebab dude and he'll cut off 0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:08.360 half the price. So I was like negotiating my meals, 0:53:08.520 --> 0:53:12.320 like I can live off of street street kebabs, buku 0:53:12.400 --> 0:53:16.120 tamats and pomfretes. And at the venue, I knew I 0:53:16.239 --> 0:53:18.799 was good for a turkey sandwich, like you know, they 0:53:18.880 --> 0:53:22.759 give you food at the venue. So nah, man, I 0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:27.160 had to starve one week for some village over the telephone, but. 0:53:29.680 --> 0:53:30.400 Thanks uh. 0:53:32.239 --> 0:53:35.200 But on the other side of things, so is it 0:53:35.320 --> 0:53:37.440 jarring to be in this bubble? 0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:43.319 That's so influential in which on one hand people are 0:53:43.400 --> 0:53:46.440 embracing you, but on the other hand it's almost like 0:53:47.719 --> 0:53:51.360 we get to sample and taste the nectar of the 0:53:51.440 --> 0:53:53.480 fruit before you yourself get to. 0:53:54.960 --> 0:53:55.360 Enjoy that. 0:53:55.719 --> 0:53:58.160 Well, it's it's a lot. It was a lot for us. 0:53:58.480 --> 0:54:02.200 Number one out the gate got We got kicked in 0:54:02.280 --> 0:54:06.120 the in the in the rump because Hugh to decided 0:54:06.840 --> 0:54:09.759 when he we did finally get him on the record day, 0:54:09.840 --> 0:54:12.880 he wants to use our record as a platform to 0:54:13.080 --> 0:54:14.839 leave the hip hop right. 0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:17.520 Anyway, when I heard that verse, I was like, wait 0:54:17.560 --> 0:54:19.040 a minute, Right. 0:54:20.920 --> 0:54:24.400 So guess what New York said to slum village boom 0:54:24.960 --> 0:54:27.000 you you got rid of try god class. 0:54:27.080 --> 0:54:29.920 I was like, no, I didn't. I just wanted the first, right, 0:54:32.440 --> 0:54:34.880 you know what I'm saying. I just wanted the first. 0:54:35.480 --> 0:54:37.320 I didn't know. When I went down there, he was talking. 0:54:37.440 --> 0:54:39.160 I was walking with Q two Donald Street. 0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:41.400 He was going to to Borrow's Pizza and we was 0:54:41.440 --> 0:54:43.880 going to some studio or something after that, and he 0:54:44.040 --> 0:54:45.800 was like, man, you know, I'm really thinking about quitting. 0:54:45.880 --> 0:54:49.800 Man, I'm out, and then he loops up the original 0:54:49.880 --> 0:54:50.600 hold tight. 0:54:52.880 --> 0:54:57.439 Spittney's sentimental lyrics it's something about this group that makes 0:54:57.480 --> 0:55:00.319 people want to you know, some some sort of ours 0:55:00.400 --> 0:55:07.040 is release that happens that makes everybody confrontational on a 0:55:07.080 --> 0:55:11.440 slim Village tote. Yeah, it's it's weird. So right now 0:55:12.880 --> 0:55:16.120 this is this is twenty five years of of of 0:55:16.200 --> 0:55:19.880 a legacy of of of of this brand, way of 0:55:20.000 --> 0:55:24.920 this brand name, a way of life, amazing influential music 0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:29.400 that I deem very refreshing. Can you guys tell me, 0:55:29.760 --> 0:55:34.680 especially in hip hop's fiftieth year, how is hip hop 0:55:35.480 --> 0:55:38.680 still refreshing to you right now? 0:55:39.200 --> 0:55:42.800 I'm slum Villish is a space where we're just creating 0:55:42.880 --> 0:55:46.720 whatever we feel that that's not in the market. 0:55:46.880 --> 0:55:49.360 I can do me like to the total. 0:55:49.719 --> 0:55:52.719 So because because the label situation ain't there no more, 0:55:52.760 --> 0:55:55.279 you don't have to nobody said, hey, make sure you 0:55:55.360 --> 0:55:58.840 do it hit single or you know, make sure it 0:55:58.960 --> 0:56:01.359 is nobody know, where's nobody coming. 0:56:01.400 --> 0:56:04.200 It's wild, wild West. Everybody out there with the pistols. 0:56:03.840 --> 0:56:04.319 That they like. 0:56:05.920 --> 0:56:07.880 Anything you can hit, anything you can hit. 0:56:07.960 --> 0:56:10.400 It don't matter what it is. It's just you can 0:56:10.480 --> 0:56:12.239 deliver it to the audience and present it in a 0:56:12.320 --> 0:56:16.560 compelling way. It don't matter if it's trap shit, boom bapshit, whatever. 0:56:18.000 --> 0:56:20.200 I love it. I love that West. 0:56:20.600 --> 0:56:23.000 Yes, I'm out there with my with my my pistols. 0:56:23.320 --> 0:56:25.759 I'm ready to go. So right now I'm having the 0:56:25.840 --> 0:56:29.560 best time of my life making music. Right now, slum Village, I'm. 0:56:29.480 --> 0:56:30.279 Just living in your heart. 0:56:31.080 --> 0:56:34.080 It's like the beginning, Like what what you feel that's 0:56:34.200 --> 0:56:36.680 dope and incredible for you in your heart. 0:56:36.920 --> 0:56:39.239 That's what you're given to the world. 0:56:40.280 --> 0:56:43.279 Okay, QLs listeners, this is sugar Steve. That's where we're 0:56:43.320 --> 0:56:45.640 gonna stop. Part one of this two part interview with 0:56:45.719 --> 0:56:48.600 slum Village. 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