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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 2: that brings you the secret histories and little known fascinating

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Speaker 2: facts and figures behind your favorite movies, music, TV shows

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Speaker 2: and more. We are your two nay three bio exorcists

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Speaker 2: of Big Ticket Trivia. I'm Alex Heigel.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Jordan Runtug and today we are joined by

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Speaker 3: really you know, if there's the fifth Beatle, there's the

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Speaker 4: Tm I trivia. What are we?

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Speaker 5: What's a you know, a T word that begins with

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Speaker 2: Titan Taco Titan Titan.

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Speaker 5: There we go, yeah, Tan Titans of Talking.

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Speaker 3: See, this is why I am so happy to welcome

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Speaker 3: with open arms and an open heart, our very own producer,

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Speaker 3: Michael Alder June.

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Speaker 4: Hello, oh my god, welcome.

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Speaker 5: I'm so happy to be here with you, guys.

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Speaker 4: We're so happy to finally.

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Speaker 3: Have because I feel so bad because June is the

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Speaker 3: one who makes us sound coherent and so and she'll

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Speaker 3: be listening through all these episodes and texting us all

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Speaker 3: these incredible insights that we should have brought up, and

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Speaker 3: all these great jokes and all these things, and it's like, Okay, well,

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Speaker 3: you know what. Finally June is visiting New York and

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Speaker 3: stand with me, and you know what, it's time. I

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Speaker 3: can't taken this long. And we're talking about one of

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Speaker 3: her very favorite movies.

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Speaker 5: It took a trip through the hell mouth of JFK

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a surprising amount of similarities with the Afterlife as

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Speaker 2: depicted by this movie. This is shockingly the first Tim

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Speaker 2: Burton project that we've done. Yeah. I will forever be

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Speaker 2: not a Night Member before Christmas, kid, because I was

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Speaker 2: exactly the right age for that movie to come out

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Speaker 2: and break my little heart as a little spooky child.

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Speaker 2: And I think as an all, I have glombed onto

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Speaker 5: I can definitely understand that.

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Speaker 3: But I just, well, what are we talking about? I

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Speaker 2: Bio Exercis was the giveaway. You you herb what other's

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Speaker 2: that's that's not a rec That's another thing I love

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Speaker 2: anything other than the Beetlejuice cinematic universe, What does a

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Speaker 2: bio exit, although I guess the Ghostbusters have that no,

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Speaker 2: to that way. Maybe the Frighteners, but Peter Jackson with

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Speaker 2: Michael J. Fox kind of takes like a similar tack

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Speaker 2: term is entirely unique to that to this movie. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know, I love this movie and I was a kid.

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Speaker 2: Is so aggressively weird. It has this bizarre mythos that

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Speaker 2: it doesn't really explain. It's gruesome in soight way. But

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Speaker 4: Portrait, haunted House, I think it's what I said, Hey.

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Speaker 2: Hey, yes, hey, ride haunted House. But yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's honestly funny to me. It took this long for

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Speaker 2: reason we're talking about it is that this year news

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Speaker 2: finally broke that Beetlejuice two is happening, which is very

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Speaker 2: sad or great for Michael Keaton, depending on how you're

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Speaker 2: Beetlejuice in Beetlejuice two beat harder.

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Speaker 3: I just want to make an observation that I didn't

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Speaker 2: You know, other than the death. It's not like a

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Speaker 2: Like I don't if you were like, what time of

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Speaker 5: Takes place in a kitchen, I don't know, there's it's seasonless. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you you have a very you were attached to this film?

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Speaker 5: Yes, this was one of the few movies that I

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Speaker 5: of Goodies, a lot of of Indiana Jones, and Beetlejuice

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Speaker 5: When I was nine, I really wanted to be Beetlejuice

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Speaker 2: Well, you can so looking at this picture, and first

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we should say for the listeners at home that

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Speaker 5: I have sent out a photograph of me dressed as

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Speaker 5: Beetlejuice at nine years old, and it is perfect.

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Speaker 3: We will definitely be sharing that when we post this.

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Speaker 3: Put that in the in the show notes. Okay, I

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Speaker 3: I didn't really engage with this movie much as a kid. Spooky, scary,

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Speaker 4: So that was another part of the reason why I

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Speaker 3: So I don't have much to share from the childhood perspective,

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Speaker 3: but I would like to say that the husband of

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Speaker 4: Version of Beatlejuice from a few years back.

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Speaker 3: His name is Anthony King, and his wife is the

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Speaker 3: incredibly talented writer and podcaster Kate Spencer, who is the

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Speaker 3: co host of the very popular podcast Forever thirty five

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Speaker 3: if it was best selling it. If it's not, it

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Speaker 5: So she's going to go to a publisher, Like where

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Speaker 2: F Oh you got the TMI bum Buddy.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I mean the cigar chomping executive in this story

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Speaker 5: Please, I'd like small Baitel Juice.

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Speaker 2: Well, from the much darker original shooting script to the

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Speaker 2: you didn't know about Beetlejuice. Goth Icon, Tim Burton, or

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Speaker 2: at least at least mainstream goth icon, sort of goth

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Speaker 2: He's not like legit God. He's like, you know, your

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Speaker 2: mom's idea of goth Anyways, hot topic. Yeah, he was

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Speaker 2: While at Disney in nineteen eighty two, Burton made his

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Speaker 3: That was an animated version of the Don McLean song Vincent,

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Speaker 4: Uh. June's head is literally in her hands right now.

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Speaker 4: And Vince too disapproving golf adjacent friends.

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Speaker 2: Vincent, Vincent, I can only lighten so much. Vincent Price

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Speaker 2: And then so two years later, Tim Burton's next short,

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Speaker 2: Though sad and hilarious. Well, I think they did. They

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Speaker 5: So while nobody at Disney liked him, the film and

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Speaker 5: See that's way scarier than mine. The Britain is all

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Speaker 2: I was just reading on about Tim Burton's time at Disney.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Lydia was going to die in a fire

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Speaker 5: this guy. Michael McDowell was once blurbed by Stephen King

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Speaker 2: So go Figure. He also wrote Okay, So Good Bone.

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Speaker 2: Larry Wilson's other gig was teaching extension courses at UCLA

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Speaker 3: Burton like the bone of the story, but he jettison

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Speaker 3: Nineteen eighty six or nineteen eighty seven and spent a

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Speaker 3: What was They mentioned earlier that Tim Burton was saying

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Speaker 5: It has a beginning in the middle and an end. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Warner Brothers just wanted to call the project house Ghosts.

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Speaker 4: But Tim Burton.

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Speaker 2: That's I mean, Scared sheetless, that's fun. Scared sheetless is better.

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Speaker 4: We would pitch on that I'm not getting or no.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, such a fine line between stupid and clever.

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Speaker 2: Similarly something? Anyway, the movie could have even been even weirder, though,

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Speaker 5: And in response, David Geffen reacted poorly. Burton said in

437
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Speaker 5: an interview that when he pitched Sammy Davis Junior, that

438
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 5: was the first time I ever heard crickets chirp chip. So,

439
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 5: after ranting to Burton and Marjorie Lewis about why that

440
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 5: would not work, David Geffen responded with Michael Keaton, which,

441
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 5: it's it feels odd to me, like I get it.

442
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 5: At the same time, it feels odd to like, that's

443
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 5: that's a weird card move.

444
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

445
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 5: So like like I see your Sammy Davis Junior and

446
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 5: I raised I'm raising you, Michael Keaton. Mister I'm raising you,

447
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 5: mister mom. So uh odd move. Keaton had a strong

448
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 5: start of the decade with his hits like Night Shift

449
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 5: in nineteen eighty two Mister Mom in eighty three, but

450
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 5: more recently had anchored the underwhelming and underperforming Touch and

451
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Speaker 5: Go and a movie called Gung Ho in eighty six

452
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Speaker 5: and a movie called The Squeete in eighty seven. Nope,

453
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Speaker 5: no idea. I have not seen any of these movies,

454
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 5: and Keaton barely seemed to want to do it either.

455
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 5: He turned down the role twice, telling The Independent, I

456
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Speaker 5: didn't quite get it and I wasn't looking to work

457
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 5: with That's some stones. Yeah, before accepting the role. Finally,

458
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 5: I didn't understand what he was talking about, Keaton said

459
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 5: to Charlie Rose in twenty fourteen. I said, I wish

460
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 5: I could do it. You seem like a really nice guy,

461
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 5: and I know that you're creative, but I don't get it.

462
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 5: Funnily enough, producers also considered Producers also considered Dudley Moore.

463
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 5: Can you imagine that a Dudley Moore beetlejuice?

464
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Speaker 4: I mean, I Dudley Moore was in a movie.

465
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Speaker 3: He was in the original Bedazzled in the sixties with

466
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Speaker 3: Peter Cook, and Dudley Moore was like kind of the

467
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 3: nebeshy guy the Devil screws with But I could almost

468
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Speaker 3: if you reframe it as like kind of like an

469
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Speaker 3: English trickster.

470
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Speaker 4: What was the movie with Phoebe Kate's and Rick Mayol.

471
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Speaker 5: Oh uh dropped dead Fred dropped Fred?

472
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I almost see that. I could almost see that working.

473
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Speaker 5: I can. I can see that as this is like

474
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Speaker 5: the weird upside down version of what's the famous Dudley

475
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Speaker 5: Moore movie Arthur?

476
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 4: Yeah?

477
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, like the upside down version of Arthur. So

478
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 5: producers were considering ally more and also comedian and also

479
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 5: comedian Sam Kinnison.

480
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Speaker 2: That would have been awful.

481
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 5: That would have immediately managers supposedly never bothered to inform

482
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Speaker 5: Sam Kinnison of the studio's interest. I imagine when Kennison

483
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 5: finally learned about it, he screamed.

484
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 2: About that probably would have immediately consigned this to the

485
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Speaker 2: dust be dustbin of history. Can you imagine how.

486
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Speaker 5: Oh absolueting he would have been in this, like just

487
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 5: completely one note, yeah, jacked.

488
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Speaker 2: Out of his mind, like, h no.

489
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Speaker 5: Don't judge as hate it, what that happens.

490
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Speaker 2: Good move, Sam Kinison's manager circa nineteen eighty five.

491
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Speaker 5: Thank you for saving us all from a terrible fate.

492
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Speaker 3: Well, back to Michael Keaton, I'm legally obligated to mention

493
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 3: the fact that Michael Keaton's first show business job was

494
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 3: working for mister Rogers as a stagehand. Oh yeah, he's

495
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 3: been in a bunch of like Mister Rogers specials and documentaries.

496
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Speaker 5: I think it was like Katy, that's so cute, right,

497
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 5: And I also.

498
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Speaker 3: Didn't realize until watching a like a that I think

499
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 3: it was on Amazon or something, a docu series on

500
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 3: the comedy store Famous Club in la. I had no

501
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 3: idea that he was a stand up that was like

502
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 3: came up with the same class with David Letterman and

503
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 3: Jay Leno and all those people in the late seventies.

504
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Speaker 4: I didn't know that.

505
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 2: I didn't think. I don't think I knew he was

506
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Speaker 2: from Pittsburgh.

507
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Speaker 5: That's wild, that's your takeaway. Yes, More importantly so, Burton

508
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 5: was talking to The Independent in that aforementioned interview and said,

509
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 5: Michael Keaton, Michael Keaton is a maniac, a live wire,

510
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 5: and he's got these he's got those great eyes, and

511
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 5: a lot of the stuff in the film was improvised.

512
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 5: I would go over to Michael's house and the two

513
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 5: of us would come up with jokes. It was really

514
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 5: fun because we were essentially creating a carearacter. And this

515
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 5: improvisation that the two of them had going on in

516
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 5: pre pro continued on set, with Keaton telling Rolling Stone,

517
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Speaker 5: you show up on the set and you just go

518
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 5: it was rave acting. You rage for twelve or fourteen hours,

519
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 5: and then you go home tired and beat and exhausted.

520
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 5: It was pretty damned cathartic. He also added, I started

521
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 5: thinking about my.

522
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 4: Hair, my acting choices.

523
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 5: I wanted my hair to stand out like I was

524
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 5: wired and plugged in, and once I started getting at

525
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 5: I actually made myself laugh and I thought, well, this

526
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,719
Speaker 5: is a good sign. This is kind of funny. And

527
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 5: then I got the attitude. And once I got the

528
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 5: basic attitude, it really started to roll. Despite all of that,

529
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 5: he only filmed for about two weeks, which that's hilarious.

530
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, of the ad libbing, he said. Alec Baldwin said

531
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Speaker 2: that the part where he goes, he like hawks up

532
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Speaker 2: a loogie and spits it into the inside of his

533
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: jacket and then pats it and says, oh, I'll save

534
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: that one for later, a like Paulman said he almost

535
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: choked when he saw him do that.

536
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 5: And it's such an aside too, It's such a throwaway joke.

537
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

538
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 5: The first thing I remember writing about the character, or

539
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 5: saying to Keaton about the character was he SCRATCHO Marx

540
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 5: from Hell. Yeah, which h That quote comes from Larry

541
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 5: Wilson to Yahoo. He was supposedly also said elsewhere that

542
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 5: he was inspired by Bill Moseley's performance as chop Top,

543
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 5: one of the murderous Reds in the Texas Chainsaw him

544
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 5: ask her too, which actually.

545
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 2: It makes entirely too much sense, and it's really funny

546
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 2: because it would have come out like right around that time.

547
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: And uh, Texas chainsawm Asacer too is such a wild

548
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: departure from the first one in terms of it's going

549
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: for like this really insane It's basically where Rob Zombie

550
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: his in his entire career from It's going for this

551
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: really fun house demented comedy. The poster was famously a

552
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: parody of the Breakfast Club poster, and Bill Moseley is

553
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: so obnoxious in that movie, and like, it's so funny.

554
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: It's so perfect to me that that Michael Kean would

555
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: have seen it and been like, yeah, I wanna I'm

556
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: gonna do that, am.

557
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 4: I go Keat have a coke problem? Just watching this

558
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 4: movie kind of makes me think maybe it's possible.

559
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: It's apparently in the musical, apparently, one of the things

560
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: in the musical that critics didn't like was Beatletice does

561
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Speaker 2: a line they thought that was in poor taste.

562
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Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break, but we'll be right

563
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Speaker 1: back with more too much information in just a moment.

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Speaker 2: So Oscar winning makeup artist v Neil said that when

565
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Speaker 2: she first copied some of Burton's sketches of the character

566
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: on to Keaton, the results were actually too scary and

567
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: not silly enough. We've talked a lot about Burton has

568
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: talked a lot about German Expressionism, but the film of

569
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: such a punchline these days. Portlandy has a whole sketch

570
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: about people getting it from Netflix and never watching it

571
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: as the cabinet of Doctor Kligari. And in that movie

572
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: you see the big like grease paint circles around the eyes,

573
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: and so that was and the vertical lines of the suit.

574
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: There's also parts of the architecture in the Afterlife that

575
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: have the sort of canted hallway angles descending into the distance.

576
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: So that was. It's a through line in all of

577
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: Burton's career, but this was, I think more than Pee Wee,

578
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: the first movie where he really got to flex that

579
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: as an influence. So they did make some changes. They

580
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 2: went with pale yellow makeup bordering on white for his skin,

581
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: green hair dye for the wig, purple and brown makeup

582
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: for the giant under eye circles, and one very specific

583
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: tool to make him look like he had mold on him.

584
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 2: Because Keaton and Burton decided that Beetlejuice lived under rocks

585
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: new recalled Diyahoo. I sent a pao off to the

586
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: hobby store and I said, get me some crushed green

587
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: foam like they use on model kits for moss and

588
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: stuff like that. I said, we'll put some moss in

589
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: his hair. We'll just make it look like he crawled

590
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: out from underneath a rock. So I got this crushed

591
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: green foam and I painted up the areas where I

592
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: wanted it to come out. I wanted it to look

593
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 2: like it was creeping out from underneath his hairline and

594
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: his neck and stuff. I just stuck it on wherever

595
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: the glue was. Hollywood gluing hobby foam onto your lead actor. Keaton,

596
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: for some reason, also wanted Beetlejuice to have a broken nose,

597
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: but the makeup team didn't have any prosthetic noses. But

598
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: what they did have were prosthetic lips, so they just

599
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: put fake lips on either side of his nose to

600
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: make it look more bulbous. And one of Burton's gnostic

601
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: proclamations to Keaton that the character of Beetlejuice lived in

602
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 2: every time period but was of no time period. So

603
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: Keaton got his wardrobe for the character by saying, to

604
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 2: wardrobe the wardrobe department, he said, just send me a

605
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: rack of stuff from every time period, like literally a

606
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 2: whole rack, and I will just mix and match.

607
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 4: Uh.

608
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 2: And when he said and and he I think he

609
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: said in a different interview that when he came on

610
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Speaker 2: to set for the first time, he was worried that

611
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: he'd pushed it too far with h with the look,

612
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: and the crowd just or the crew just started chanting

613
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: juice at him, which maybe they thought OJ was there

614
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 2: that day. But that joke on the land, okay, you were,

615
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: You're just giving it space to breathe.

616
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 3: I was, Yeah, you know, it's like an Annie Hall

617
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 3: when the Woody Allen snorts the earth, sneezes and blows

618
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 3: the cocaine everywhere.

619
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Speaker 4: They got such a huge laugh in theaters that they.

620
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Speaker 3: Do in the roll of Palm Trees or something afterwards,

621
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: because it was stepping on the next line in the

622
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 3: next scene.

623
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I was doing.

624
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: Test audience has responded so well to Michael Keaton, who

625
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 3: amazingly doesn't appear in this movie until forty five minutes

626
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 3: and is only on screen for something like twenty minutes

627
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 3: that audience has actually rejected the original ending that had

628
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 3: him trapped in the Maitland's model home and plagued by sandworms,

629
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Speaker 3: so a newer, more comedic ending with him in the

630
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Speaker 3: afterlife waiting room was filmed.

631
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Speaker 5: Where he gets his headstrong.

632
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had that act sorry, I had that action

633
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: figure of him at the shrunken head. And another fun fact,

634
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 2: the legs he's like seated in between a woman who

635
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 2: has been bisected. I think she's supposed to be like

636
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: a magician's assistant who died in an on stage accident.

637
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: And the legs are played by Tim Burton's then girlfriend,

638
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 2: which you know we'll get to this later. But Tim

639
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 2: Burton must be slinging some dong like you wouldn't believe

640
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: because that guy punches above his weight. Man girlfriend is

641
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 2: Monica friggin' Baluchi. I'm telling you, Tim Burton, monster dong.

642
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: You heard it here first on tm I that's our

643
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 2: pool quote monster dong. It's probably just also like a

644
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: nice guy. Jordan, what are your thoughts on Tim Burton's

645
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: monster dong.

646
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 5: That's what played the sadles.

647
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 2: Actually, I was not able to find out if those

648
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 2: are obvious dune rip. But they seem like an obvious

649
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 2: dune rip, not just because Lydia comes back in riding

650
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 2: it at the end The Desert Planet Giant Worms feels

651
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 2: like maybe I just see dune and everything.

652
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 5: No, I think that this one is pretty plainly obvious.

653
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Speaker 5: That is funny that she would be the Shaihlu Paul.

654
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 3: Now I'm just looking at like those goals that are

655
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 3: like I'm looking on right now.

656
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 4: From the Clever dot Com.

657
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 3: Fifteen Beautiful women who fell in love with Uguy.

658
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Speaker 2: I didn't say he was ugly. I just said he's

659
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 2: punching above his weight. I knew what it meant.

660
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 3: Felicity Huffman and William H. Macy, Polina post Cova.

661
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: Oh Rick okask that was a crazy one. Yeah, dude

662
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 2: looked like a praying mantis.

663
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

664
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Speaker 3: A lot of these are like old rock stars like

665
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: Ronnie Wood who are married to like twenty five year

666
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 3: old ballerinas.

667
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 4: That's not fair. Samahayak and a guy who looks like

668
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 4: Gene Hackman.

669
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 2: Oh, but that dude's like that dude's like loaded, he's

670
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: like a billionaire. I think Samahayak's husband.

671
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 3: Sure, but okay, Julia Roberts and I love it a

672
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 3: guy no, butly love it was going to be my

673
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 3: runner up, Amber Tamblin and David Cross, Christina Hendricks and

674
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 3: that guy who was uh the Snosberry's tastes like strashberries

675
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 3: from Super Chip.

676
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 4: What's his name? Uh? Jeffrey arnand Kristen.

677
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 3: Bell and Dax Shepherd, Mary kay Olsen and Sarko Si.

678
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 5: Dax Shepherd is not a bad looking.

679
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 3: Guy, Mary, Tina Fey and a guy who looks like

680
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 3: Peter Dinklage. Oh, Pat Mlachchi paup Mlachchie was with Salmon

681
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 3: rush Down. I didn't know that post Fatwa and number

682
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 3: one on this list Cafain Sated Jones and Michael Douglas.

683
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: Michael Douglas. Michael Douglas was swinging some hog in the eighties.

684
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 5: Oh absolutely he the Gordon Gotcoke. Come on. So the

685
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 5: role of the goth teenager Lydia dets I'm jumping on

686
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 5: this please. The role of the god teenager Lydia Deads

687
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 5: was difficult to fill as well, so also up for

688
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 5: the role was Sarah Jessica Parker. I have a lot

689
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 5: to say about that Brookshields Jennifer Connelly would have killed this,

690
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 5: and Molly ringwol All turned down the role. Juliette Lewis

691
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,919
Speaker 5: auditioned for the part. She would have been good.

692
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: She does too much.

693
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 5: But the person who got closest to it and didn't

694
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,479
Speaker 5: get it was Alyssa Milano, who admitted to a Huff

695
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 5: Pust Live in twenty sixteen that she really wanted that part.

696
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 5: He can't have it. It was between the two of us,

697
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 5: and Wenona Ryder actually got the part. I always wonder

698
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 5: what would have happened differently in my life had that

699
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 5: worked out. Not that I would want it to be

700
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 5: any different, but it's just an interesting thought game. I

701
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 5: believe you. Burton had just seen sixteen year old Winona

702
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 5: Ryder debut in the nineteen eighty six coming of Age

703
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 5: story Lucas. In an interview with Marie Clare, Ryder said

704
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 5: that she was bullied at school before her film career,

705
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 5: and that she had hoped that her appearance and Beetlejuice

706
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 5: would make her more popular. It did not. I remember thinking, oh,

707
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 5: it's like the number one movie. This is going to

708
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 5: make things great at school. But it made things worse.

709
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 5: They called me a witch. It's so funny. I know,

710
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 5: it's so sad for her. The writer Larry Wilson revealed

711
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 5: in an oral history for CBC Radio that he found

712
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 5: inspiration for Lydio while seeing again Robert Smith is going

713
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 5: to just be a tertiary character throughout this entire episode. Uh.

714
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 5: He found inspiration for Lydia while seeing the Cure perform

715
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 5: in concert and looking at the young woman, looking at

716
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 5: the young women in the audience, which, of.

717
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 3: Course, I just want to shout out Mermaids with Menana

718
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 3: Ryder and you.

719
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: Love that movie.

720
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 4: I mean share that movie. Oh my god, you've this.

721
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: You've mentioned that movie quite a lot.

722
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 5: Actually, I know.

723
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: You just saying, just saying, uh.

724
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 4: Have you have you not seen it?

725
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 2: I'm not in yours?

726
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 4: Oh it holds up is great.

727
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 3: Angelica Houston was initially cast as the Deets Families art

728
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 3: damaged May Triarch, but dropped out due to illness. So

729
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 3: Katherine O'Hara and the Great Katherine O'Hara, who also initially

730
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 3: passed on the part.

731
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 4: Nobody wanted to be in this goddamn movie.

732
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Speaker 3: She came on board when Tim Burton flew out to

733
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Speaker 3: meet with her personally. Burton later told The Independent the

734
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Speaker 3: only person who initially really wanted to do it was

735
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Speaker 3: Gina Davis, though it did end up working out for

736
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Speaker 3: Katherine O'Hara, who met and eventually married production designer.

737
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 4: Bo Welsh while working on Beetlejuice.

738
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Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently the scene of Beetlegees eats the Fly is

739
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 2: a wink at the fact Gina Davis, who had been

740
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 2: in The Fly. Oh, super funny to me. That's great. Yeah,

741
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: I love the fact that she was the only one

742
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 2: who was like gung ho for this.

743
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 3: Katherine O'Hara has a pretty great anecdote about her non

744
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 3: audition for Beetlejuice. She's talking to The New Yorker very

745
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 3: recently said, I've been asked to audition for Beetlejuice. I

746
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 3: had all these calls with David Geffen, who was a producer.

747
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 3: I didn't know him at the time. Out of ignorance,

748
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 3: I was like, who is this guy? Keeps bugging me,

749
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,959
Speaker 3: keeps calling and saying this is the part for you,

750
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 3: you should be doing this. He kept calling. Then they

751
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 3: said they wanted me to meet this guy, Tim Burton.

752
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 3: I didn't know Tim Burton. And finally I was depressed

753
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 3: at home and I had nothing going.

754
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 4: I said, okay, I'll go to audition, I'll go meet him.

755
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 3: I was so sad that I decided to meet. That's

756
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 3: an incredible metric for depression. So she flew to la

757
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 3: from Toronto and I rented a car. She said the

758
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 3: address was in Burbank. I drove for hours.

759
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 4: I thought, what.

760
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 3: Kind of director is this far from show business? I

761
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 3: was so late, I got lost. There was no cell phone.

762
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 3: I had to pull over somewhere and find a phone

763
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 3: booth and phone my agent. Finally, two hours late, I

764
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 3: got to Burbank. There was a note on the door

765
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 3: from Tim Burton. It said I'm sorry. I waited as

766
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 3: long as I could. I go back home the Toronto

767
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 3: and a few weeks later they offered me the.

768
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Speaker 2: Part that turned out well for her. Funnily enough, though,

769
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Speaker 2: Geena Davis, despite being stoked on the film, wasn't Burton's

770
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 2: initial choice for the character of Barbara Maitland. I've read

771
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: that Kirsty Alley was and that she couldn't get out

772
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: of her Cheers contract to shoot. But adorably, this was

773
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: the first set on which Geena Davis's parents got to

774
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: actually come see her work. The Beetlejuice was shot in Vermont,

775
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 2: and her parents lived close enough by that they came

776
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: and visited her on set, bearing baked goods for Gina

777
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: to distribute to the rest of the cast. She wrote

778
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: this in her memoir, and then an assistant director used

779
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: her parents as extras in a scene to keep them busy.

780
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: It is adorable. Alec Baldwin, who plays the other half

781
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: of the Maitland's, did not have high hopes for the film.

782
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: He was talking about to GQ and he said, when

783
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 2: we did Beetlejuice, I had no idea what it was about.

784
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 2: I thought, my all of our careers are going to

785
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: end with the release of this film. Maybe we're all

786
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: going to be dead. Hilario. Oh, yeah, that has an

787
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 2: aged Yeah, Balbin's a prick. Yes. Tim Burton then proceeded

788
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: to stack the rest of the cast with his favorite

789
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: celebrities from bygone eras sixties crooner Robert Goulay and talk

790
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 2: show host Dick Cavett. Robert Goulay are given roles as

791
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: the deep snobby friends, and Burton hounded Hollywood silver age

792
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 2: actress Sylvia Sidney incessantly until she agreed to play the salty,

793
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: undead social worker Juno.

794
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Speaker 3: I just want to like praise the fact that you

795
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 3: just said Sylvia Sidney incessantly.

796
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: I'm a damn professional. Her appearance in Mars Attacks a

797
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,959
Speaker 2: few years later in nineteen ninety six was her last role,

798
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: so she and she made friends with Tim Burton. There's

799
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: a piece about the making a beetlejuice for the Ringer

800
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 2: and one someone recalls Sylvia Sidney opening a gift basket

801
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 2: she'd gotten from the hotel Wild Chain smoking and just exclaiming,

802
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: what the am I supposed to do with a pineapple?

803
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: Jordan take Dick cavit, I know you love Dick Cavitt.

804
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 5: I love Dick.

805
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 3: Cot Dickkeviott actually saved the day when making this movie.

806
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 3: It was when they were filming the iconic dinner scene.

807
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 3: He told Yahoo that Tim Burton was running in a

808
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 3: difficulty getting the final shots in which the shrimp cocktail

809
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 3: turns into hands. Oh, they grabbed the guests and hosts

810
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 3: faces into their bowls. Because SFX workers were under the

811
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 3: table and couldn't actually see who they were grabbing, they

812
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 3: kept missing their marks.

813
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 4: So Dick Kevitt suggested they film that.

814
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,959
Speaker 3: Part in reverse, and Bert thought that was a great

815
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 3: idea and decided.

816
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 2: To do just that.

817
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 3: He filmed some takes of the hands grabbing the stars

818
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 3: faces then lowering back down into the table, and then

819
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 3: I don't know who this is, Sogel tell us about

820
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Jones.

821
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 5: Oh do we have to talk Jeffrey Jones.

822
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Jones.

823
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: Higel tell us about the pediast. Jeffrey Jones, the actor

824
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 2: who plays Lydia's dad and, perhaps more famously, the dean

825
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 2: in Ferris Bueller. Oh yeah. He was arrested for possession

826
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 2: of chod pornography in two thousand and two and accused

827
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Speaker 2: of a seventeen year old boy who is fourteen at

828
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 2: the time. The offense allegedly occurred of trying to get

829
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: the jeffreyed wanted to take some bathing suit area pictures

830
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 2: of this youth. Jones.

831
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Speaker 4: Can I just say, sometimes you can judge a book

832
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 4: buck cover.

833
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 2: He does have that aura about him. Jones pleaded no

834
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: contest to a charge of soliciting a minor and the

835
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 2: misdemeanor charge of possession of child bornography was dropped, But

836
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: despite getting off relatively lightly with a five year probationary period.

837
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 2: He was arrested twice for failing to update his sex

838
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 2: offender status, first in Florida in two thousand and four

839
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,439
Speaker 2: and then six years later in California. So folks watch

840
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 2: out for Jeffrey Jones. He could be anywhere.

841
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 5: We should have cut that off at the pass and

842
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 5: just arrested him after Howard the Duck. Oh god, so

843
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,479
Speaker 5: that unpleasantness aside. Moving on, Principal photography on Beetled began

844
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Speaker 5: March eleventh, nineteen eighty seven. Beatlejuice's budget was fifteen million dollars,

845
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 5: with just one million dollars given over to visual effects work, which,

846
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 5: knowing the visual effects in this movie, that is very

847
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 5: surprising to me, considering the scale and scope of the effects,

848
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 5: which included stop motion, replacement, animation, prosthetic makeup, popetry, blue screen.

849
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 5: It was always Burton's intention to make the style similar

850
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 5: to the B movies that he grew up with as

851
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 5: a child. He said, I wanted to make them look

852
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 5: cheap and purposely fake looking, he said to Mark Shapiro

853
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 5: in eighty eight, we went big and more personal with them.

854
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 5: What people will see are effects that are, in a

855
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 5: sense a step backwards. They're crude, they're funky, but they're

856
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 5: also very personal. Oh, case in point, the animatronic snake

857
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 5: that attacks them, that the banister that turns into a

858
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 5: snake was actually built before Keaton was cast. Producers were

859
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 5: concerned that the audiences wouldn't connect that the snake was

860
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 5: simply a random monster, so they had to pivot and

861
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 5: outfit it with a brand new head that looks like

862
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 5: Heaton as Beetlejuice. And then they reshot it.

863
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they for the scene of the Maitlance come back

864
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 2: into their home after drowning and realize they don't have

865
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Speaker 2: any reflections. They just reversed the set, like they pulled

866
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Speaker 2: the wall back around that they just moved one of

867
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Speaker 2: the walls back so that they could film it through

868
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 2: the mirror. It's just really like just old timey like

869
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: they would do, you know, back in back in the day,

870
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: Tim Burton had wanted to hire a guy named Anton

871
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 2: First as production designer after being impressed with his work

872
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 2: on Neil Jordan's pre Crying Game masterpiece, The fairy Tale

873
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 2: sex drama The Company of Wolves Fairytale were Wolf sex Drama,

874
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: I should say, and also full metal Jacket another movie

875
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 2: you may have heard of, although first was committed elsewhere,

876
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: and so Burton went with Bo Welch. This turned out

877
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 2: to be a fruitful collaboration. The pair continued to work

878
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: together on Edward Scissorhands and Batman Returns. But Welch told Uprocks,

879
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: when I met Tim, it was like a breath of

880
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 2: fresh air in terms of liberating me from dreary realism.

881
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 2: He would push me towards German expressionism and reference other movies.

882
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 2: He was always a fan of the old horror movies,

883
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: but he would view them with a sense of humor

884
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 2: in that period. When you try and wrap your head

885
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: around his aesthetic, you learn it was a fantastic experience

886
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 2: that I changed the way I approach movies from then on.

887
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 5: I'm really curious, Heigel, because I think among the three

888
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 5: of us, you are the horror movie connoisseur. So can

889
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 5: you maybe talk about like Burton as like sort of

890
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 5: a con do it?

891
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 2: It is interesting like.

892
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 5: The person like he's the filmmaker too horror movies, as

893
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 5: like Tarantino is to Grindhouse.

894
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 2: He isn't. I don't think he's he he comes from

895
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 2: I think he's of the age that he missed the

896
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 2: Eindhause stuff because not a lot of his movies have

897
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 2: that really nasty seventies sensibility. He's definitely like an atomic

898
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 2: age fifties b guy. And I think it's an interesting

899
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 2: divide because even though he's sort of the same age

900
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 2: as some of the people who we associate with the

901
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 2: big seventies auteur era of horror, like John Carpenter and

902
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 2: Wes Craven, there's it's just like they were freshmen when

903
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 2: he was a senior or vice versa thing, because like

904
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 2: their set of influences just so different. Even though you know,

905
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 2: a lot of people talk about German expressionism like, oh,

906
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 2: you know, I really wanted to use the angles you

907
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 2: find in German expressionism. And also, like you know, another

908
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 2: big one is Night of the Hunter. Like if you

909
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 2: talk to Scratch any like six horror directors and they'll

910
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 2: five of them will say, well, I'm really influenced by

911
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 2: the lighting and use of shadow and Night of the Hunter.

912
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: So you see that a lot is the one of

913
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 2: John Carpenter's big John Carpenter, weirdly enough, is obsessed with

914
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 2: and this is what I say, this is why Again,

915
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 2: it's like it's like two roads diverged in a wood.

916
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 2: Because John Carpenter's influences were Westerns. He was obsessed with

917
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 2: Howard Hawks and and Rio Bravo and like the Searchers

918
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 2: and stuff. So again, same period of media, like the

919
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 2: fifties and stuff. Just Tim Burton was like, I like

920
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 2: the flying saucer men pictures and the guys in rubber suits,

921
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 2: and John Carpenter was like, a, you know, I just

922
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 2: like Westerns, but I'll make spooky movies instead of Western.

923
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 2: I don't think he's ever made a pure Western, except

924
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 2: for maybe John Carpenter's Vampires, which is a real piece

925
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 2: of shit. But but Burton is really funny because, you know,

926
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: being from California and not from like the dismal industrial

927
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 2: environs that influenced like David Lynch or you know, the

928
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 2: Midwest where everything is just up and sad. I guess

929
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 2: citation needed, sorry to our listeners in the Midwest. You know,

930
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 2: you get that like lounge fifties lounge vibe and like

931
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: rayon shirts and and you know, vibraphone music instead of

932
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 2: instead of like slasher stuff, Like I could never imagine

933
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 2: Tim Burton doing a slasher even something like Sleepy Hollow,

934
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 2: which is probably as close as he would ever actually

935
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 2: get to that is so much more informed by like, uh,

936
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 2: like a hammer horse exactly, Gothic hore, and that's the

937
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 2: big thing that people. Yeah, he's probably I would. I mean,

938
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,479
Speaker 2: I don't think I've read interviews where he's talked about,

939
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 2: but I wager this hammer sixties stuff was a big

940
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: thing for him as well. People in frock coats.

941
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm thinking now about the aesthetics of like Edward

942
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 5: Sissar Hands, the the pastel houses.

943
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, the just the California vibe. Yeah, it's Orange County

944
00:51:53,880 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 2: by way of you know, Transylvania. So to find the

945
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,439
Speaker 2: fictional town of Winter River, Connecticut, in which Beetlejuice is set,

946
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: early on in production, Tim Burton, production designer Bo Welch

947
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 2: and line producer Richard Hashmoto went location scouting in Vermont, and,

948
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 2: in bow Welch's words, they drove aimlessly from one end

949
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 2: of Vermont to the other. Eventually we went into a

950
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 2: couple of bookstores or gas stations and kept seeing this

951
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 2: postcard over and over for this little town called East Corinth, Vermont.

952
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 2: We saw at enough times where we thought, well, that

953
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 2: one looks great. Art director Tim Duffield finished interior sets

954
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles and then flew to East Corinth to

955
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 2: dress the town and construct the Maitland's home. The hardest

956
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 2: part of all this was that they couldn't find a

957
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 2: town that had a covered bridge, like your classic archetypal

958
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: New England covered bridge thing, so they just built one

959
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: and the weather did not cooperate. Duffield said, we kept

960
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 2: having thunderstorms. We had to build a big dam to

961
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 2: control the water level, and a thunderstorm would come by

962
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 2: and blow it all away. But the town still has

963
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff that we left there, just

964
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 2: like filming in Uh, what was it Nambia or No Tunisia,

965
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: Star Wars Jordan, Take Us Home.

966
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 4: Welsh and Duffield.

967
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 3: Also described their vision of the afterlife as quote the

968
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 3: d m V. Through a German expressionist lens Uh, Welsh

969
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 3: came up with the concept of the Johnson Wax Building

970
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 3: in Oklahoma, which was designed by Frank Lloyd Wright.

971
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 4: Uh. With these posts that were spread out at the top.

972
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 2: They look like golf They look like golf tee built

973
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 2: in They look like if this in this building, it

974
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: just looks like they're they're they're you know, pillars that

975
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 2: are skinny at the bottom and blossom at the top,

976
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 2: and it just looks like the whole interior is supported

977
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 2: by golf teas and.

978
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 3: Those are all built in, but they're also extended by

979
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 3: a matte painting. And I love how much you love

980
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 3: ment painting. In describing special effects, and is that your

981
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 3: favorite film special effect?

982
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 2: It's either that or the smoke tank. I do love that.

983
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 2: I love the smoke tank. The smoke tank looks bad

984
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 2: once you start see what were we just talking about

985
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 2: that Raiders Traders encounter. It's in it's the opening credits

986
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 2: and the thing, right, I love a smoke tank.

987
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 4: That's for why most of the dead are like, you know,

988
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 4: kind of candy colored.

989
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 3: Tim Burton one of them to look like neck A

990
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 3: wafers from of the Pod. Neck A wafers made from

991
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 3: my hometown Boston, Massachusetts, went out of business, stopped making them,

992
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 3: and then somebody paid like five bucks and now they

993
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 3: have the rights to make them, and they're like trying

994
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 3: to rebuild the factory in Boston. There's a little place

995
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 3: called Necho Lane, a truly discussed in.

996
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 5: Candy Yes Delicious Chalk flavored Catechism wafers.

997
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 4: Is it candy flavored chalk or chalk flavored candy?

998
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 5: Yeah?

999
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 2: Journal, which it's your Boston assid Yeah yeah.

1000
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 5: Uh.

1001
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 4: Fun fact.

1002
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 3: Welch's sculptures he created for Delia have proven so iconic

1003
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 3: that people have already stolen them off the set of

1004
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 3: the currently Shoot sequel.

1005
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 2: I tried and so hard to find an interview with

1006
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 2: him where he talks about what he was influenced by

1007
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 2: for those sculptures. I could not find it. Very bummed

1008
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 2: about it, but they are iconic for anyone who if

1009
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 2: you know you know Lydia deeds shouts.

1010
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 5: If you insist on scaring people, do it with your sculpture.

1011
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 5: So getting the mainitlans to their caseworker in the afterlife

1012
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 5: proved to be confusing. We just couldn't figure it out, uh,

1013
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 5: screenwriter Larry Wilson told The Independent. I kept coming up

1014
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,919
Speaker 5: with more convoluted ways that they could escape the house,

1015
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 5: and Michael would just sit there and say, no, no, no.

1016
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 5: I finally got really mad and said, what do you

1017
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 5: want them to do? Drawn effing door. We just started

1018
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 5: laughing because that was perfect. And if you recall from

1019
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 5: the movie that's exactly what they do.

1020
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 2: Is that also what she does in pans Labyrinth.

1021
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 5: I think you're right, and it must be said in

1022
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 5: Wes's Wordswards the end of the movie, Tim told me

1023
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 5: we were shooting Vermont, you should ask Catherine out, And

1024
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 5: I said what he said, Yeah, you should ask her out.

1025
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 5: It didn't even occur to me that I was even

1026
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 5: supposed to talk to the actors, But since Tim told

1027
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 5: me to, I did, and then we dated and we're

1028
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 5: married and we're here today. So good on you, I know.

1029
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 2: If nothing else, Beetlejuice gave us the happy marriage of

1030
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 2: Catherine O'Hara and Bo Welch. I love that, but it's

1031
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: adorable as you meditate on that. We'll be right back

1032
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 2: with more too much information after these messages, Jordan, I

1033
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 2: know you've I know you want to do this.

1034
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,240
Speaker 3: I've been waiting for this. Yes, Iigel's title of the section.

1035
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 3: Come mister Tallyman telling me banana. And that's because we're

1036
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 3: going to talk about one of my favorite people, Harry Belafonte.

1037
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 3: Where we Jude and I were just talking about Harry

1038
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 3: Belafonte earlier today.

1039
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 4: Oh yes, the clip on the Smothers Brothers.

1040
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 5: Yes, of the the beatings in Chicago in sixty eight famous,

1041
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 5: like not just as a singer, but as a civil

1042
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 5: rights icon, the same.

1043
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 3: Level of activism considering just how straight laced mainstream everything

1044
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 3: was back then. So also we learned, as we learned

1045
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 3: in our Weird of the World episode Architect of the

1046
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 3: We Are the World charity single. So I mean, you know,

1047
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 3: pound for Palm, and you really think about probably raised

1048
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 3: more money for charity than Geez, I mean anyone on

1049
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 3: the short list of celebrities, I'd have to say, So

1050
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 3: we take that belt off, take that bono, but we're

1051
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 3: going to investigate right now. The most iconic scene and Beetlejuice,

1052
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 3: in which the Maitland's turn a dinner party into a

1053
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:04,959
Speaker 3: show's stopping possession jazz Hands thanks to Harry Belafonte's Dao

1054
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 3: the Banana Boat song.

1055
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 4: Can you can either one of you give us a

1056
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 4: give us a day?

1057
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 5: I'm sorry that was.

1058
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 2: Daylight, gom on muon. Just watching that come out of it,

1059
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 2: Just watching that come out of Catherine, her hair's face

1060
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 2: and her performance, like she deserves an Oscar for that

1061
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 2: scene alone, just the way that she's like shocked by it.

1062
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 2: It's a perfect scene.

1063
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 3: Now for the song itself, it dates back in nineteen

1064
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 3: fifty two. The Caribbean singer Edrick Connor recorded it first,

1065
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 3: calling it.

1066
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 2: Day da Light, day Light, Day da Light.

1067
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 3: But it's obviously a Harra Belafonte's song in the popular consciousness.

1068
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 3: So in nineteen eighty six, David Geffen, remember the producer

1069
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 3: behind this film that at least owns ran the studio

1070
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 3: that produced it, called Harry personally and explain the film

1071
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 3: to him. Belafonte later told Pitchfork in twenty eighteen, I

1072
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 3: never had a request like that before we talked briefly.

1073
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 4: I liked the idea of Beetlejuice. I liked him. No

1074
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 4: one said that about David Gafore I agreed to do it.

1075
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 3: What was particularly attractive was that he wanted to use

1076
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 3: my voice.

1077
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 5: I want, I desperately want a Yeah Dunes to be

1078
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 5: a fly on that wall.

1079
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Speaker 3: A man who has done nothing for charity as far

1080
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 3: as no, I don't, maybe he has. Bellefonte's songs are

1081
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 3: used all throughout Beetlejuice. During the opening scene, Alec Baldwin

1082
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 3: listens to Sweetheart from Venezuela and Truly thereafter dances to

1083
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 3: man Smart, Woman Smarter, before the real estate broker interrupts,

1084
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 3: and after the couple realized they're dead, plays faintly as

1085
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 3: Geena Davis flips through the handbook for the recently deceased,

1086
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 3: planting the song in viewers' heads. And then, of course,

1087
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 3: Manona Ryders celebrates acing a math test by having her

1088
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 3: ghost parents possessor so she can sing jump in the

1089
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 3: line Shake Senora, which is a song that Heigel requests

1090
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 3: that I play when I DJ his wedding two years ago, and.

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01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 2: It killed and it killed. Yes. So the addition in

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01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 2: the original script for that dinner party Possession There wasn't

1093
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 2: even supposed to be music. Screenwriter Larry Wilson told Pitchfork

1094
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 2: that when he and McDowell their concept for the dinner

1095
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 2: party seems that one of the guests spilled a glass

1096
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 2: of wine on a rug with a floral design, and

1097
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 2: then that the rug sprouted vines and wrapped up the guests,

1098
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 2: which is, you know, visually appealing, doesn't have quite the

1099
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 2: same verve. So the addition of the music is believed

1100
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 2: to have been the work of the punch up writer

1101
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 2: we mentioned earlier, Warren Scarren, but he did not envision

1102
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 2: it with Harry Belafonte. The dinner scene was supposed to

1103
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 2: feature the ink Spots nineteen thirty nine's hit If I

1104
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 2: Didn't Care, and as we mentioned earlier, Lydia was supposed

1105
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 2: to sing when a Man Loves a Woman at the

1106
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 2: end of the film.

1107
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 5: But uh is that? Sorry? Is that Inkspot's song? Is

1108
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 5: that the song that opens up the Shawshank redemption?

1109
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 2: Ooh great pool?

1110
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 4: You might be right if I did?

1111
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, more than words could say if I

1112
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 5: would I feel this way?

1113
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 2: Jordan moving on, Yeah, you're right? Oh yeah, uh so

1114
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 2: Geffen exact. Marjorie Lewis, though, told the Ringer that these

1115
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 2: songs were prohibitively expensive. Every time somebody heard the words

1116
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 2: David Geffen, she said, they raised the price. Jeffrey Jones

1117
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 2: told Pitchfork that Catherine O'Hara was the person who suggested

1118
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 2: Calypso would bring more energy to the siege. Really is

1119
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 2: the MVP of this film. Bob Bodami, the film's music editor,

1120
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 2: told Pitchfork that Tim Burton worried about the scene a lot.

1121
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 2: He didn't think it was very funny, and obviously he

1122
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 2: needn't have worried the scene and the film success prompted

1123
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 2: a resurgence in Bellefonte's career. He told Pitchfork everywhere I

1124
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,439
Speaker 2: went for about a year, I had kids all over me. Oh,

1125
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 2: the guy from Beetlejuice wiping their hands full of tomato,

1126
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 2: ketchup and mustard on my clothes. That is not a

1127
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 2: quote I made up. That is in the actual article.

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01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 2: I have no idea why that is. His recollection of

1129
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 2: his career resurgence following Beetlejuice was children with their hands

1130
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 2: full of tomato, ketchup and mustard. But he did say because.

1131
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 5: I mean, if you know Bellefonte, he's always dressed.

1132
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's always were playing hot dog festivals. But he

1133
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 2: said he enjoyed the whole excursion. And when Glenn Shaddick,

1134
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 2: who played atho otho Otho, died in twenty ten, they

1135
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 2: played Dio at his funeral. Burton ended up battling the

1136
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 2: studio over that scene. They wanted it cut, but as

1137
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 2: we mentioned Earli, they were also agitating for the name

1138
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 2: House Ghosts Speaking, which what the hell's going on with

1139
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 2: the title this film A thing that I did not

1140
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 2: pick up on until I was like a teenager. The

1141
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 2: fact that Beetlejuice is named after an actual star in

1142
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 2: the Orion constellation, the ninth brightest star in Earth's night sky,

1143
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 2: by the way, but his name is spelled completely differently.

1144
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 2: What's up with that? What's the deal with no not finishing.

1145
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 4: The way it's supposed to be spelled? Looks terrible?

1146
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, way grabbier to be to be Beetlejuice.

1147
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 5: The you know, guys, I didn't realize it was a

1148
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 5: real place until weirdly recently, because I remember it being

1149
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 5: referenced in Hitch Yeah, and I thought that Douglas Satam's

1150
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 5: had made that up.

1151
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 4: Too, So it does sound like it would have been.

1152
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 2: Who wants to take Danny Elfman? I'm gonna cue up

1153
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 2: the video special mention must go out, of course, to

1154
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 2: Danny Elfman.

1155
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 5: The curiously ripped Danny Wright and his work scoring the film,

1156
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 5: So Danny Elfman said, I wrote music before I saw

1157
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 5: a rough cut of anything. He told he was talking

1158
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 5: to GQ. Actually this year, twenty twenty three, I had

1159
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 5: a little extra time and thought i'd get started. I

1160
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 5: read the script, I wrote a bunch of music and

1161
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 5: all got thrown away and as soon as I saw it,

1162
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, this is not the movie I

1163
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 5: was imagining in my head. This is something else completely.

1164
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 6: It was a really deceptively hard score to play. I

1165
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 6: didn't realize it at the time, just the simplicity of

1166
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 6: bottom bottom bom bom b b buttm but really strict times,

1167
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 6: so half the brass section going up up, up offbeats

1168
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 6: like that, and there's a tendency to want to let

1169
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 6: it swing good da doo do do, don't say no

1170
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 6: no no no, and poor tuba player is like turning

1171
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 6: blue without a break, just like on and on and

1172
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 6: on and on and on. They tried to record it

1173
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 6: in Glenn like for a best of album. The conductor

1174
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 6: in England looked at the score and they started playing.

1175
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 6: He picked it up and he threw it on the

1176
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 6: floor and he said, this is unplayable, and it's like,

1177
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 6: I'm enjoying this.

1178
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 2: Danny Elfman's so annoying. Thank you, okay, I was. I

1179
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 2: was waiting for everyone to stop so I could make

1180
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 2: I love a lot. I mean, I love Night Member

1181
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 2: for Christmas so much, but I listened. I was somehow

1182
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 2: I ended up watching like three movies that he scored

1183
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 2: right in a row. I think I talked about this

1184
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 2: in a different episode, But he has so many ticks

1185
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 2: that he uses over and over again, and it's like,

1186
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I think of that throwaway gag on Family

1187
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 2: Guy where they have him like it like cuts to

1188
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 2: him doing like in front of the symphony or whatever,

1189
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 2: and too he just goes.

1190
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 5: That's enough.

1191
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 2: Danny Elfman.

1192
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 5: Uh So. Elfman also said I didn't realize in hindsight

1193
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 5: how lucky I was that when we did these movies,

1194
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 5: nobody was paying attention to us. They were small enough

1195
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 5: budgets that we could do them, and nobody from the

1196
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 5: studio ever showed up saying can you play some of

1197
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 5: the music. There were no presentations. It was just Tim

1198
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 5: and I. It was really kind of like two kids

1199
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 5: in the kindergarten class and the teacher leaves and they're

1200
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 5: just like running their own class.

1201
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,439
Speaker 2: Their friendship is really adorable. I just those two little

1202
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 2: weirdos found each other. Danny Elfman with his like closet

1203
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 2: of haunted Victorian dolls in his home studio.

1204
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 4: Maybe it just thirteen million.

1205
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 3: Beetlejuice went on to grow seventy five million in the

1206
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 3: US and spawned an animated series and a stage show

1207
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 3: at Universal Studios Theme Park. It also won the Academy

1208
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 3: Award for Best Makeup in nineteen eighty nine. So all

1209
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 3: worked out for that Moss.

1210
01:06:53,120 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 2: Driver Academy Award winning film Beetlejuice, and.

1211
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 3: It triumphed over some pretty heavy hitters, including Rick Baker's

1212
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 3: work for Coming to America.

1213
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 2: Which is you know where he's got, Eddie Murphy playing

1214
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 2: four got the four guys in the in the barber shop, and.

1215
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 5: Our Citia Hall playing multiple characters.

1216
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1217
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 2: So the fact that Michael Keaton's Moss makeup one, I

1218
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 2: wasn't able to find out who did the prosthetics for

1219
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 2: the when they stretch their fate when she stretches her

1220
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 2: face into like the bird beak thing, because that's like

1221
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 2: one of the more indelible images in that movie for me.

1222
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 4: See, And this is a little stuff that I really

1223
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 4: as a kid just creepy.

1224
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's like cartoony creepy again orchard Haunted House.

1225
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 5: Come on, ah, it is legitimately funny that Alec Baldwin

1226
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 5: literally pushes his hand through the back of his head

1227
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 5: to give him like like the chicken.

1228
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, oh man, And I think all of that

1229
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 2: was just Tim Burton drawing, like just because that's one

1230
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 2: of the other things that Alec Baldwin was like. He

1231
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, Tim didn't really give us any direction.

1232
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 2: He was just constantly sketching. I would just like look

1233
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 2: up from his sketchbook and be like, yeah, uh, just

1234
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 2: go back down and keep drawing.

1235
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 3: Following the success the Beetlejuice, Water Brothers greenlit Tim Burton's

1236
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 3: version of Batman, with Michael Keaton in the lead role

1237
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 3: in By nineteen ninety, there was also a public announcement

1238
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 3: of a sequel, beele Juice Goes Hole High In, with

1239
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 3: Michael Keaton, Monona Ryder, Jeffrey Jones, and Katherine O'Hara all

1240
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 3: agreeing to reprise their original roles. But then Warner Brothers,

1241
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 3: the same folks who wanted to rename it House Ghosts,

1242
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 3: offered Tim Burton total creative control on Batman returns.

1243
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 4: And so he and Keaton went off to do that instead.

1244
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 5: They chose wisely, and meanwhile in between we got Beetlejuice.

1245
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:47,640
Speaker 5: The animated series, which one of the great loves of

1246
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,880
Speaker 5: my life A not launched in nineteen eighty nine when

1247
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 5: I was eight years old and ran for four seasons.

1248
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 5: The show followed the wacky adventures of Beetlejuice and Lydia Deets,

1249
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 5: who are now on friendlier terms and voice different people.

1250
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 5: It was actually really well received, winning a Daytime Emmy

1251
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 5: that it shared with the New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh,

1252
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 5: and a few of its voice actors later went on

1253
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 5: to do voices in Fox's X Men cartoon, which also

1254
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:17,680
Speaker 5: ruled Yes, Yes, Yes. Probably the craziest story that we

1255
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 5: could find about the animated series is that in nineteen

1256
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 5: ninety one, fourteen year old Sharon Chamberlain, who was a

1257
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 5: fan of Beatle Joos, had an idea for the animated series.

1258
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,679
Speaker 5: Her first attempt to contact the company behind the show,

1259
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:35,680
Speaker 5: which is called Nelvana That's Some Time, was unsuccessful, but

1260
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 5: she found contact information for Gevin Pictures and sent her

1261
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 5: proposal there. Gevin forded the idea, and Nelvana bought the

1262
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 5: pitch frum Her for two hundred and fifty dollars or

1263
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 5: about five hundred and sixty dollars in today's money. The

1264
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 5: episode Brides of Funkenstein, which I think is a p

1265
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 5: funk reference, aired as episode nine of season three, so

1266
01:09:56,439 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 5: thank you, Sharon Chamberlin for all of your footwork kind

1267
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 5: of ripped her off though, Yeah, yeah, but she lives on.

1268
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 5: She's getting that.

1269
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:09,919
Speaker 2: Oh man, you know I was correct.

1270
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 4: It is p Funk.

1271
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 6: Uh.

1272
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 2: That was previous background singers for Sly and the Family

1273
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 2: Stone that George Clinton put together. And one of them,

1274
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 2: Lynn Mayby. I thought her name looked familiar.

1275
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 5: She is.

1276
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 2: One of the backing singers and stopped making sense. So

1277
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 2: there's yeah, her and Bernie Worel So there's I love that.

1278
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 2: I will forever love the fact that there's two members

1279
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:35,759
Speaker 2: of p Funk and Stop making sense.

1280
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 5: That's delight.

1281
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 2: So Beetlejuice too is finally on the way.

1282
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 6: Uh.

1283
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 2: Production began in May, but with the SAG and w

1284
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 2: g A strike, who's to say how that's This thing

1285
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 2: was originally supposed to come out next year. I don't

1286
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 2: think that's gonna happen.

1287
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 4: Uh.

1288
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 2: It's been written by Seth Graham Smith, the author of

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01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 2: Pride and Prejudice and Zombies and Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter.

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Speaker 2: Remember when those were things.

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Speaker 4: The likelihood of this not being terrible just what?

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01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, Graham Smith wrote the screenplay on the condition

1293
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 2: that Michael Keaton would return. Winona Ryders said to come back,

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01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 2: and so is Tim Burton, and along with them Jenna

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01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 2: Ortega newly minted Scream queen. Jenna Ortega, uh, you know,

1296
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 2: best known for Wednesday and her role in the Scream

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01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 2: rebooted Scream franchise justin Throw for some reason, probably taking

1298
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 2: over the Alec Balbin role. Willem Dafoe, Monica Balucci has

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01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 2: Beatlejuice's wife, and thankfully Catherine O'Hara reprising her role as Delia.

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01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 2: No nobody can do it better and she's still killing it.

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01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 2: It's not like she's retired or anything. She's can I

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01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 2: just say.

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01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 5: One of my biggest memories of the animated series is

1304
01:11:55,520 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 5: that the show would intercut these weird like come Pewter

1305
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 5: animated commercials, like from the Afterlife World, like about the show.

1306
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 5: One of them was Jean Lafitte's feet Streets for Happy Feats.

1307
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 5: There was like a whole jingle to go along with it.

1308
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 5: It was they were literally like like milk bones that

1309
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 5: your feet would eat it. I don't know what, I

1310
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 5: do not know why that has stuck in my memory,

1311
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 5: but that that's probably somebody's birthday or phone number that

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01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 5: I cannot remember, but I do remember Jean Lafitte's feet

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01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 5: streets for Happy Feats.

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Speaker 2: That's so funny. Uh yeah, famous kind of on Google Bay.

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01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 2: It is famous French privateer pirate. I think it's a

1316
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 2: bar named after him in New Orleans. This sequel is

1317
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 2: one of the craziest long awaited things to come out

1318
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 2: of Hollywood. Warren scarn And we mentioned was the co

1319
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 2: writer on the original film finished a script called Beetlejuice

1320
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 2: in Love that was actually mentioned in his obituary when

1321
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 2: he died. They were like, he's recently complete. He recently

1322
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 2: completed his final screenplay for Beetle Juice in Love. That

1323
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 2: treatment featured a composer who dies while proposing to his girlfriend,

1324
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 2: and then this guy meets Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice, however, immediately falls

1325
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,640
Speaker 2: in love with his would be fiance and attempts to

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01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 2: escape the afterlife to find her. But that is not

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01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 2: even the most famous unproduced Beetlejuice sequel.

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01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 5: So the much more notorious sequel, which we've mentioned once

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01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 5: before here, Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian, which sounds like it could

1330
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 5: have been an Elvis movie. Yeah, that worries me. The

1331
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 5: deesis traveled to Hawaii to open a resort designed by Otho.

1332
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 5: I'm liking this more and more with every word that

1333
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:49,679
Speaker 5: I read, which, being built on the classic ancient burial ground,

1334
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:53,639
Speaker 5: gets Beetlejuice involved when the spirits, awoken by the development,

1335
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:56,759
Speaker 5: hire him to sabotage the resort. Is this a brady

1336
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 5: bunch like you're the Brady Bunch? Guy? Yeah, while they're okay,

1337
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 5: So while he's there, just while he's on vacation. Beatlejuice

1338
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 5: enters the surfing competition, attempts to marry Lydia again.

1339
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 4: Give it up.

1340
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 5: Guy takes part in a running gag where he goes

1341
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 5: incognito as an oil tycoon named Monty Exxon, but by

1342
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 5: the end of the film transforms into a wrathful creature

1343
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 5: named Jusifer.

1344
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 4: Also good, also.

1345
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 5: Summons dinosaurs and turns normal people into Neanderthals. That script

1346
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 5: went through a number of rewrites, as if we couldn't

1347
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 5: tell just by reading that short description, including at one

1348
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 5: point by Kevin Smith of clerks and mall rats and

1349
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 5: chasing anything. Some people have suggested that Burton pitched the

1350
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 5: whole thing as a Lark this. Honestly, this sounds a

1351
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 5: little bit like the.

1352
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 2: The Gladiator sequel Nick oh hell, except that sounds awesome

1353
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 2: and it's Travis Date. It never got made Jordan, if

1354
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 2: you're unfamiliar, he basically pitched a sequel where Maximus goes

1355
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 2: to the appell. He's like in hell and like has

1356
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 2: to like fight his way through Hell, and then I

1357
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 2: think it ends with him like he successfully escapes Hell

1358
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 2: and becomes like an immortal soldier. And it was going

1359
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 2: to end with this like long montage of him like

1360
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 2: fighting in every war, which just cool as hell.

1361
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, that was not.

1362
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 3: It's like Lieutenant Dan and Forrest Gump on the show

1363
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 3: that all his ancestors had died in all every American More.

1364
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 2: Why do you get you to bring the vibe down

1365
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 2: like that? Yeah, it's really funny. Kevin Smith's like one

1366
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:49,679
Speaker 2: degree of separation from Tim Burton because he was doing

1367
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 2: he was tapped at one point to write the script

1368
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 2: for Burton's Superman movie, and that is where the famous

1369
01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 2: John Peters of a Star is born. Fame being obsessed

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01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:03,720
Speaker 2: with giant spiders comes from.

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01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, because it's that leads directly to exactly well, so.

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01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 2: This all comes from like one of them, remembering Kevin

1373
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 2: Smith was doing like proto podcasts where he would just

1374
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 2: like show up at a lecture hall and just talk

1375
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 2: about his wacky misadventures in Hollywood. This story comes from

1376
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 2: one of these things where he talks about being in

1377
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 2: a room with with John Peters and he's working on

1378
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 2: the Superman script with that Nick Cage, when Nick Cage

1379
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:31,600
Speaker 2: was starring and Tim Burt was going to direct and

1380
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 2: Peters was producing, and he was like, all right, I'll

1381
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 2: tell you what you gotta do. You gotta have Superman

1382
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 2: fight a giant spider at the end of the movie.

1383
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 2: And Kevin Smith was like, uh why and and Peters

1384
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 2: was like. Peters was like, well, they're the most deadly predator,

1385
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:50,720
Speaker 2: like fur their size or he said something ridiculous like that.

1386
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 2: And that's and and then Smith is now talking to

1387
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 2: I think Warner Brothers or whatever studio is. He was like, yeah, yeah,

1388
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 2: I met with John Peters and it's kind of a

1389
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 2: weird meeting. And they go did he bring up the

1390
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 2: giant spider? And he was like, yeah, what's with that

1391
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 2: guy in Giant Spiders? And then so of course kept

1392
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 2: the button on this anecdote that Kevin Smith is telling

1393
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 2: is that years later he goes to see Wild Wild West,

1394
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 2: which is produced by John Peters, and sure enough they

1395
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 2: fight a giant spider at the end. That story gets

1396
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 2: funnier because in Licorice Pizza, the most recent PTA film,

1397
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 2: John Peters is played by Bradley Cooper and there's a

1398
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 2: line where he's talking to the kid played by Philip Seymour,

1399
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 2: Hoffman's son. He says, you know what, I like you.

1400
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 2: We're the same, We're both from the streets. That is

1401
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 2: apparently something John Peters said to Kevin Smith. So this

1402
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 2: Kevin Smith, Kevin Smith's like one interaction with John Peters

1403
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 2: has given us such a wealth of things. And that

1404
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 2: fucking Superman Nick Cage as Superman fighting Giant Spider made

1405
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 2: it into the Flash this year. Eilers. There's like a

1406
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 2: whole thing with like this multiverse bit in Flash and

1407
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:06,640
Speaker 2: they go and show a bunch of different Superman. They

1408
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 2: show Christopher Fan Reeves, they show George Reid, and then

1409
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 2: they show Nick Cave, Nick Cave, Nick Cage fighting a

1410
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 2: giant spider. All done, cgo, It all looks it's an abomination,

1411
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 2: but there is a secret you know, Kevin Smith's Giant

1412
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 2: Spider story with John Peters is like one of the

1413
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 2: most influential or history bits in American cinema in the

1414
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:37,680
Speaker 2: past thirty years. So to drink that in this I.

1415
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,639
Speaker 5: Love this unified theory. Dude.

1416
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, so this screenwriter Jonathan JEMs said at one

1417
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,599
Speaker 2: point that he didn't actually know if Burton was being

1418
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 2: serious about any of this. He said, Tim just thought

1419
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 2: it would be funny to match the surfing backdrop of

1420
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 2: a beach movie with some sort of German expressionism because

1421
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 2: they're totally wrong together. But he got distracted by the

1422
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:06,839
Speaker 2: Batman movies, and then I guess there was a protracted

1423
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 2: rights battle with Geff and scotched the sequel for the

1424
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 2: intervening two decades, because in twenty eleven, writers David Katzenberg

1425
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 2: and the aforementioned Seth Graham Smith were reported to be

1426
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 2: taking their shot at it, and then that draft was

1427
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 2: rewritten by a guy named Mike Vukadanovich. I don't know

1428
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 2: Mike of the Moscow Vuka Danovich's. A few years later,

1429
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen, Winona Ryder confirmed to Seth Myers that

1430
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 2: this movie was happening, although in her characteristically and adorably

1431
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:41,600
Speaker 2: kind of daffy way, she didn't really seem like she

1432
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 2: should be talking about it. I think she was confused

1433
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 2: as to whether or not she could publicly talk about it.

1434
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 2: And of course it didn't happen in twenty fifteen, and

1435
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 2: then as recently in two nineteen, Timbert was doing press

1436
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 2: for Dumbo and somebody asked him about the Beetlejuice two thing,

1437
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:58,719
Speaker 2: and he was like, I don't think that's ever gonna happen,

1438
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 2: but here we are.

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01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 5: I just want to say, living in Atlanta, like I do,

1440
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 5: I have a bunch of friends who work sort of

1441
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 5: in the industry, several of whom did some work on

1442
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 5: Stranger things and got to work with one owned writer.

1443
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 5: And one of them said, very lovingly, when I asked,

1444
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 5: what is one owner writer like, he kind of threw

1445
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 5: his head back, looked at the ceiling, and said, oh, Wanona,

1446
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 5: she is such a sweet bird lost in the house.

1447
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 2: That stands.

1448
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 5: I think about that at least once a week.

1449
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Jordan, this takes us into your personal connection

1450
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 2: with the with the Beetlejuice musical.

1451
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 4: That is right.

1452
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 3: But we did get Beetlejuice the musical from director Alex

1453
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 3: Timbers and composer and lyricist Eddie Perfect and Anthony King,

1454
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 3: who co wrote the book My Friend's Husband. They started

1455
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:58,839
Speaker 3: work on it in twenty sixteen and Alex Timbers probably

1456
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 3: best known for insanely lavish adaptation of Moulin Rouge on

1457
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:06,640
Speaker 3: Broadway Around the Stage, I should say, which mored in

1458
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 3: Boston at the.

1459
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 4: Cost of twenty eight million dollars. I've seen it several times.

1460
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 4: It is really spectacular.

1461
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,839
Speaker 3: When Beatle Juice the Musical opened in DC in twenty eighteen,

1462
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 3: it was at an insane cost of twenty one million,

1463
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,640
Speaker 3: and do to the technology involved, the creators told The

1464
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 3: Washington Post that it could not have been done ten

1465
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 3: years ago. And any Perfect also composed a musical about

1466
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 3: King Kong, which is awesome, and apparently started writing songs

1467
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 3: for Beetlejuice as early as twenty fourteen, four full.

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01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 4: Years before the show started production.

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01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 2: I think he wrote some of the songs on spec

1470
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 2: which is insane. It was just like, who, here's some

1471
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 2: songs about Beetlejuice in case anyone wants to make a

1472
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 2: musical out of him. I don't know, just putting that

1473
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:52,680
Speaker 2: out there.

1474
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, anyone, anyone.

1475
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 3: The show opened in April twenty nineteen at the Winter

1476
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 3: Garden Theater on Broadway, but it was not an immediate

1477
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:05,680
Speaker 3: hit with critics or fans at first. But one thing

1478
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 3: that drastically helped the show was a major moment on

1479
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:10,719
Speaker 3: TikTok in late twenty nineteen.

1480
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 4: I had never even heard of TikTok.

1481
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:16,600
Speaker 3: In late twenty nineteen, fans in particular, glomb onto the

1482
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:20,599
Speaker 3: song say My Name Not I Imagine, the Destiny's Child

1483
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 3: song and began lip syncing and remixing it on mass,

1484
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 3: propelling it to the top of the social media Internet

1485
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 3: echo chamber.

1486
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 4: But despite this, it was announced that, due to the

1487
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 4: show's initial.

1488
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 3: Losses, Beetlejuice would be replaced by the Music Man, despite

1489
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 3: the fact that it earned eight Tony Award nominations, including

1490
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:44,640
Speaker 3: Best Musical. A Save Beetlejuice hashtag trended on Twitter and

1491
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 3: there were multiple petitions launched, and then COVID nineteen shut

1492
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 3: down the whole of Broadway.

1493
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,800
Speaker 2: Anyway, what did we learn?

1494
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 4: Iigel take us home.

1495
01:22:55,160 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was nominated for one, two, three, four, five, six, eight.

1496
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 2: Tony's lost every single one.

1497
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 4: The show seems like a cat.

1498
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 2: I think it was just in San Francisco and I

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Speaker 2: did not see it. It's played in soul. Uh yeah

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Speaker 2: yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And just like taking an annoying guy and making him

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Speaker 2: even more annoying because now he has to sing all

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Speaker 2: kinds of stuff, like taking Beetlejuice and making him into

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Speaker 2: a theater guy, like a theater kid. That's awful. He's

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Speaker 2: already like, what's what is what's the de evolution of

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Speaker 2: a guy with stand up comic energy? It's a theater kid,

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Speaker 2: an improv guy. Well, lastly, it truly is the gleeification

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Speaker 2: of the cure. Yes, that's your SoundBite, just put that in. Lastly,

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Speaker 2: when Netflix launched in nineteen ninety eight, the first DVD

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Speaker 2: they ever mailed out was a copy of Beetlejuice.

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Speaker 4: That's we should have loved that, but that's incredible. I

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Speaker 4: love that.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for listening. This has been too much information.

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Speaker 2: With very special guest Michael Alder June all the way

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Speaker 2: up from Atlanta. It's eleven o'clock for you guys. You've

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Speaker 2: had a very busy day. And I talked a lot

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Speaker 2: about John Peters wanting to put giant spiders in every movie.

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Speaker 7: Thanks for taking the time, and also Tim Burton's mass Yeah,

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Speaker 7: tim Burton's Tim Burton's Hog. If you want to tweet

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Speaker 7: at us about this episode, please do so using the

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Speaker 7: hashtag tim Burton's Hog.

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Speaker 5: Tim Burton's pale Goth Hog.

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Speaker 2: We'll catch you next time. Here on TBI, it's mo

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Speaker 2: Mute July.

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Speaker 3: Monies all the Time, now entering its sixth Proud Mom

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Speaker 3: that joke.

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Speaker 2: You guys got a farewell? Can I stop recording?

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Speaker 5: Now? Look good?

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Speaker 1: Too Much Information was a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: The show's executive producers are Noel Brown and Jordan Runtog.

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Speaker 1: The show's supervising producer is Michael Alder June.

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Speaker 2: The show was researched, written, and hosted by Jordan Runtog

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Speaker 2: and Alex Heigel.

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Speaker 1: With original music by Seth Applebaum and the Ghost Funk Orchestra.

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Speaker 4: And leave us a review.

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