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Speaker 1: Call It what It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camil Ludington,

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Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 2: Well, Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello, Call It Crew, and welcome

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Speaker 2: to another episode of Short and Sweet. Kimila is new

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Speaker 2: RX at CVS.

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Speaker 3: Do we have a new one? We did?

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Speaker 2: You put our notifications on listen? There's a new one

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Speaker 2: out there and we're going to talk about it today.

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Speaker 2: We joke that the Call It crew know are RX

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Speaker 2: and could go pick it up for us. And in

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Speaker 2: the spirit of what the podcast has always been and

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Speaker 2: what we've always set out to do, we set out

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Speaker 2: to share all the things and be open in the

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Speaker 2: hopes that sharing our stories my resonate with somebody else

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Speaker 2: or make somebody feel a little less alone in their experience.

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Speaker 3: And this is one of those. This is one of

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Speaker 3: those episodes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, where we were, You're seen and heard and brought

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Speaker 1: into you know, this is something that uh, I mean truly,

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Speaker 1: It's like when you get phone calls from friends where

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Speaker 1: something important is going on. I don't know about you,

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Speaker 1: but I remember where I always remember where I was

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Speaker 1: when I got a phone call that was like, there's

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Speaker 1: this thing happening in my life, and I remember exactly

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Speaker 1: where I was when I got.

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Speaker 4: A phone call from you saying there's this thing going

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Speaker 4: on in my life. And I was like, okay, and

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Speaker 4: I remember it.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's the drop everything, and I'm here for

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Speaker 1: a moment and I'm so happy that you're now.

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Speaker 3: You know, we're going to We're going to share it.

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Speaker 3: We're going to share it. We we are going to

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Speaker 3: share it.

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Speaker 2: We are going to share it because Jess and I

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Speaker 2: the journey is ours together.

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Speaker 4: We don't do things alone.

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Speaker 5: We die.

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Speaker 2: As long as you've been listening to us, you've known

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Speaker 2: that I joke about being slowsy, just a little slower,

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Speaker 2: just a little Your pace is just a little slower, tired,

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Speaker 2: want to be in bed, love a n app. It

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Speaker 2: never occurred to me that there could be a medical

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Speaker 1: And that's and that's where we've landed. You thought it

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Speaker 1: was a temperament thing.

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 2: So here, Well, let me take you back, guys, back

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Speaker 2: a little bit. So every year you're supposed to have

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Speaker 2: blood work. I had mine about eighteen months ago, and

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Speaker 2: so I was due and it was hiatus and I

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Speaker 2: was like, I had all these plans and I was like,

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Speaker 2: you know what, I'm gonna get all my ducks in order,

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Speaker 2: and I row whatever you say, and I'm gonna do

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Speaker 2: uh so, I want to say about two and a

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Speaker 2: half months ago, now still very recent, I had blood

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Speaker 2: remember hearing the words autoimmune disease and thinking what the fuck,

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Speaker 2: Hashimoto's hypothyroidism and that it was very common.

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Speaker 3: And so I want to talk about what that is.

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Speaker 1: But when you when you heard the doctor say that,

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Speaker 1: what was your first reaction.

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Speaker 2: Words autoimmune disease, and I, you know what, I knew

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Speaker 2: you know, particular thing you're concerned about? And I said, look,

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Speaker 2: and so truly, when they said autoimmune disease. I you know,

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Speaker 2: And then I think I probably called you, yeah, like

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Speaker 1: Like there's that thing where you whenever anyone gets a diagnosis,

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Speaker 1: And I didn't hear you being scared or completely overwhelmed

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Speaker 2: Thinking, wow, I know a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: Like hold on again. There's safety and numbers on some level,

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Speaker 1: but we do. It's like if someone else feels it,

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Speaker 1: it's the whole you know. I don't love this part,

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Speaker 1: but misery loves company rightly, when you're not feeling when

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Speaker 1: you're feeling a little vulnerable, you want to know that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like, giv me names, capital, giv me numbers.

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Speaker 6: I knew a lot of people, so yeah, it was Yes,

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Speaker 6: it was very helpful to have you be like, well,

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Speaker 2: The ticktok of it all, because there was this piece

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Speaker 2: let me just talk about what this is for anyone

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Speaker 2: listening that doesn't know what this is. So Hashimotos is

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Speaker 2: when your body's immune system accidentally attacks your thyroid, which

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Speaker 2: is a little gland in your neck that helps control

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Speaker 2: over time the damage it does it makes the thyroid

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Speaker 2: your hair can thin waking. Basically you're feeling gorgeous with ashmos.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so that was what was the one.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we're all you know what tired was?

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Speaker 2: Really it got to the point where I I thought,

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Speaker 4: What was the tipping point that made you get the

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Speaker 2: I wanted to get it done, and then that actually

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Speaker 3: And I want to explain.

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Speaker 2: So what So basically, this is how I was in

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Speaker 2: I had severe hypoth thyroidism three months ago. I so

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Speaker 2: So there's something called a ts H thyroid stimulating hormone.

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Speaker 2: So what you your level for that for TSH normal

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I also to be honest, like he was

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Speaker 2: how exhausted my body was. And so there is medication.

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Speaker 2: So what do you do now? Okay, So now I'm

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Speaker 2: on a medication called Levo thyro scene. If you guys

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Speaker 2: CVS in Los Angeles, please do, I would say me

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Speaker 1: Did they tell you how long it would take to

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Speaker 2: Well, they said they said I would start to feel

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Speaker 2: I got tested maybe three weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: Again, do you feel the effects? I feel.

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Speaker 2: I definitely feel the effects like I started. How long

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Speaker 2: of months? Wow? Okay, Yes, I took a couple of months.

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Speaker 2: And I returned you guys to Barry's boot camp. I

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Speaker 2: did it all last week.

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Speaker 3: It's true. I talked to her.

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Speaker 4: She had to go.

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Speaker 2: I was like, Jess, no big deal, but like, I'm

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Speaker 2: A sucking doctor, Jess.

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Speaker 4: That's why I thought you were to say.

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Speaker 3: I never do something, okay, So.

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Speaker 2: You're missing this and your doctor isn't telling you this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is this short and suite is sort

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Speaker 1: Well, the friends that I have, I mean even I

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Speaker 4: Pass on information.

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Speaker 1: What did I mean, like, what advice would you give

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Speaker 2: Say, honestly, I think you know you You're so good

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Speaker 4: No, your intuition means something. You need to trust yourself.

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Speaker 4: It's not to be taken for granted.

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Speaker 1: It sounds to me like this is a to be continued.

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Speaker 1: We're going to go on a little journey with you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I and I want to bring anyone else

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Speaker 2: you guys to write into us. What questions do you have?

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Speaker 2: I have so many, but I want to hear your list.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you guys are thinking about stuff that I'm not

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Speaker 2: hopefully answer all these all these things for us. So Yes,

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Speaker 3: Ludington.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and we're just gonna we're gonna catch it and

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Speaker 1: just keep swimming, just keep swimming, just keep swimming.

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Speaker 3: You know what's good?

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Speaker 2: Is it? Like I literally could not have swum very

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Speaker 2: far before and now I can find you can.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: Wait on our next trip, I'm gonna you're gonna be

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Speaker 1: you're gonna be leading me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: There will be no taxiing, only walking.

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Speaker 3: But let's call it like, yes, this is we're calling

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Speaker 3: it Charles.

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Speaker 4: The end of the episode, m