Speaker 1: R and B Money.
Speaker 2: We are thank you, Jake Valentine. We are the authorities
Speaker 2: on all R and B.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. My name is Tank Valentine.
Speaker 3: This is the R and B Money Podcast.
Speaker 4: The authority tell him what it is on all things.
Speaker 1: R and B. Can I add family to that?
Speaker 4: R and B Ribs and Barbie and family.
Speaker 1: Ribs and barbecue. Yeah?
Speaker 3: Uh today, m hmm. This is the start of a
Speaker 3: beautiful day, mister Valentine. We are in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: We're on the soil. Yeah, we got we got our
Speaker 2: feet in the grass. You see what I'm saying. We
Speaker 2: are at Enore Studios. Now, you't know what's special about
Speaker 2: Eni Studio. Especial about this studio.
Speaker 3: Man me, there's a boy, he little boy.
Speaker 1: Boy been raising his little boy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, A songwriter, a producer, a businessman.
Speaker 1: Sir, you haven to see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Because when you get the credits and you get the money,
Speaker 3: you gotta do something with it. Yeah, you gotta turn
Speaker 3: into something larger than life. The legacy has to be
Speaker 3: something tangible that you can pass down to your chip.
Speaker 2: H oh.
Speaker 1: I don't want to dwell too much on the intro.
Speaker 1: I want to get to the.
Speaker 2: Nigga grety of what the fuck is going on?
Speaker 1: We are in this man's studio, E.
Speaker 2: Norse Studios in Atlanta, our Forrida Georgia, and he's here
Speaker 2: in the building.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk that ship. Give it up a little,
Speaker 1: Ronnie and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, welcome to Atlanta, baby, Yeah, welcome to Atlanta.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having us, brother man, thank you guys
Speaker 2: for coming.
Speaker 4: I couldn't wait for this. Yeah, I couldn't wait for this.
Speaker 1: How long have you been there?
Speaker 4: We go back, man, it's a long time.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 1: We go back to your first bends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the one I got kicked out. We got back.
Speaker 2: We go back to your first bends. You fremendous for
Speaker 2: having that.
Speaker 1: Look get that, We get this. Wait a minute, my sons,
Speaker 1: where was he?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: Listen, bro, you've you've always been up to something. That's
Speaker 2: a great way to put it. Always always, always, yeah.
Speaker 3: And you've always seen that thing through yeah m hmm.
Speaker 1: Always. Somebody always say, oh, you ain't seen a little
Speaker 1: right such much? Are you tripping?
Speaker 3: You ain't been a little right such and such? No,
Speaker 3: I ain't even know you have those like them. You
Speaker 3: ain't like You've always been that.
Speaker 4: Ryannie's the living boom boom room.
Speaker 1: You ain't been a raised boom boom you heard about razoo.
Speaker 2: Oh, everybody was up in there last night. That was
Speaker 2: the Quaver was in there.
Speaker 1: I know you.
Speaker 2: It's one of them things like you have to, like
Speaker 2: my dad just put in me. If you say you
Speaker 2: go do something, do it.
Speaker 4: And even matter if you you got to take the loss,
Speaker 4: if it comes out your mouth, you need to stick
Speaker 4: stick to it and do it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So I've just always had big dreams and I just,
Speaker 4: you know, wanted to make it happen.
Speaker 2: Isn't there wasn't there an event at your house? What
Speaker 2: was that at your house? That was at your house?
Speaker 1: That was little? Yeah, at your house? Yeah? It was
Speaker 1: crazy first of all, So why is Rodney's house so big? Yeah?
Speaker 4: That I was stupid, man. It was a it was
Speaker 4: a blessing. I mean, how can I say this.
Speaker 2: I just always wanted to make money, enjoy what I
Speaker 2: would I do, But also seeing all the people that
Speaker 2: blew money and got to a certain level then didn't
Speaker 2: have it anymore, right, nothing to show for it. So
Speaker 2: I always just wanted to, Like you said, keep the
Speaker 2: legacy going, like do something with the money. Anytime I
Speaker 2: had a hit record, I would put some money over
Speaker 2: to invest to go to another level.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean is some money at that
Speaker 3: party too. At that party, yeah, yeah, I shot some
Speaker 3: some NBA guys thought you sho did?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: The only shooters in the building with Kennith for Reid. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you have to name them.
Speaker 2: You'll hear this, and like to what else was it?
Speaker 1: Was it? Everybody?
Speaker 6: You had?
Speaker 1: Somebody? It was one of the what's my guy was
Speaker 1: a ballaholic? Or was it hot sauce or no.
Speaker 2: It was like like three or four guys, you know
Speaker 2: Overseas league guys, you know, and one and then they
Speaker 2: and they didn't know that the R and B guy.
Speaker 3: Had a set shot.
Speaker 1: Oh you want to you don't want to play five
Speaker 1: from here? From here?
Speaker 3: No problem? I see anybody with my set shot. I
Speaker 3: want good money at your house, man. That's that's I
Speaker 3: remember that day.
Speaker 2: Finally, that was the goal of that house was just
Speaker 2: to have great memories and a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I walked through the house. I was like that house insane,
Speaker 1: Bro was insane? You live here?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, doo doing pool?
Speaker 4: You saying that right. The funniest thing is when that
Speaker 4: episode happened with ray J.
Speaker 1: He had just left my house, no way on everything.
Speaker 4: He literally was at my house for a couple of weeks,
Speaker 4: and it was like white Rose Royce, black Rose Royce.
Speaker 1: That's when I had a white woman and a black one.
Speaker 2: That's when I had a white yeah, And it was okay,
Speaker 2: we're not talking about a woman. We're talking about yeah
Speaker 2: he was. And then he went with Mayweather and had
Speaker 2: that whole I was like, Okay, ray get it baby,
Speaker 2: popping it. Listen, I don't I don't care where you go
Speaker 2: in the world. If there are three people in the
Speaker 2: room having a conversation, they all had a moment with
Speaker 2: ray J.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
Speaker 4: Now, it's funny to have a new thing called threads.
Speaker 1: Ray J is a threat. Ray J is the three
Speaker 1: red is a thread.
Speaker 4: Everybody can be attached to something.
Speaker 2: Ray Yet absolutely be in this game. If you're not,
Speaker 2: you don't know Ja, you ain't.
Speaker 1: You ain't really got ray Jack A little Ronnie.
Speaker 3: So let's get into the Let's get into the music,
Speaker 3: all right, Let's get into the music, bro, Like, let's.
Speaker 4: Go back city.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying ribs and barbecue, ribs, barbecue.
Speaker 1: You know it's okay, I think it's Barbara. Don't do that.
Speaker 1: Don't do that. It's cool now.
Speaker 2: It's everything from the everything, everything like everything. What are
Speaker 2: you saying it's another barbecue plays in Kansas City. Are
Speaker 2: you trying to go like barbecue or something is better
Speaker 2: or something?
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like, listen, I'm from Milwaukee, man, there
Speaker 3: was a little.
Speaker 1: Never heard anything Milwaukee barbecue. You got Milwaukee Bucks, you
Speaker 1: got Milwaukee barbecue.
Speaker 2: Because beer, y'all got bird, we got got bird, we
Speaker 2: got bir AND's rib tips.
Speaker 1: It was second to none.
Speaker 3: And then well we had those into my My great
Speaker 3: grandfather Paul Lewis used to get on that grill. Un
Speaker 3: Norman used to get on that grill. I would roll
Speaker 3: with you with that, I believe that. And they got
Speaker 3: so by the time you know, you know, I go
Speaker 3: to the famous places that you know, say they have
Speaker 3: this city? Did they speak if they speak of the
Speaker 3: barbecause I'm like I've had some home grown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, home is different. Is it from anything that's an
Speaker 2: actual like establishment? Because your uncle, my brother ron Ryn,
Speaker 2: little black ass get to work and I will say this.
Speaker 2: I've been a lot of places and people that know me. No,
Speaker 2: y'all both know I love to eat. I mean Gates, Fireman,
Speaker 2: Gates fire I like Gates fire Man.
Speaker 3: I can't front on Gates. Maybe they had just pumped
Speaker 3: it up so crazy for me that when I.
Speaker 1: Find got it, I was like, No, it's that thing?
Speaker 1: Is that? Let me let you hold on to that.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, let's go there. Let's let's go there.
Speaker 4: You want some sauce, because I got some sauce. You
Speaker 4: go home with it and everything and put it on
Speaker 4: your Memphis barbecue. I'm older, Let's get to Kansas City.
Speaker 4: When was the moment?
Speaker 3: When was when did you figure out that you know
Speaker 3: that you could do this and and possibly do it
Speaker 3: at a high level.
Speaker 1: It was real early for me.
Speaker 4: I went to performing arts schools. So I went to
Speaker 4: uh performing arts middle school. Then I went to see
Speaker 4: high school. I actually went to performing arts schools my
Speaker 4: whole really yeah, grade school, middle school, in high school.
Speaker 1: What was kind of like your major? I guess in
Speaker 1: the sense music?
Speaker 3: Just music, yeah, musicians right alto sex yeah, okay, all state?
Speaker 4: Oh huh, middle school, high school, first year state.
Speaker 1: About the church, it's really band can't.
Speaker 4: And you know, Kansas City is known for jazz of course,
Speaker 4: you know, so we had one of the top bands
Speaker 4: in the nation.
Speaker 1: Can you beat Cosion playing the sacks. I will let
Speaker 1: Cosion have sacks off, but I let him live. He said,
Speaker 1: you live live, Let Coach live. Bring my sacks out.
Speaker 4: I'll be like Coach out there, you know, doing national anthems.
Speaker 5: Bro he.
Speaker 1: Don't want, don't want, he don't want that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get to that. Yeah, okay, performing, come on me.
Speaker 1: We actually had First of all.
Speaker 2: I'm a church nigga said that because I'm a church
Speaker 2: nigga too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, before school in church.
Speaker 3: We just a badass church.
Speaker 4: So growing up, you gotta play whatever to make it
Speaker 4: through Sunday service, you know what I mean. My dad's
Speaker 4: incredible pianist, organist, father's a preacher, uncles or bishop's grandmother,
Speaker 4: church state.
Speaker 1: Mother. It's all official. You know what I'm saying. Ko Church,
Speaker 1: you know, so I had to had to play.
Speaker 4: What was great is my family is a pretty big
Speaker 4: family in Kansas City, well known. So my teachers knew
Speaker 4: my family and they wouldn't let me play the instruments
Speaker 4: I played at church. So it was like, no, you
Speaker 4: can't play. You got you gotta do something different. So
Speaker 4: that was instilled in me and I started playing all
Speaker 4: the wood winds. And then middle school we had a
Speaker 4: program called Applied Technology Music Theory. We were basically making
Speaker 4: beats on kate walk m.
Speaker 1: Hmm in middle school. So in a performing our.
Speaker 4: School, everybody got a group. Everybody's a rapper, everybody's a singer. Man,
Speaker 4: somebody's like, yo, we heard you. You're making beats. Can
Speaker 4: we get some stuff?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 4: I sold my first beat for fifty dollars when in
Speaker 4: middle school, I said, oh, this is popping.
Speaker 1: I made this in five minutes.
Speaker 4: You're gonna give me whole fifty.
Speaker 1: You was at the corner store acting up with that
Speaker 1: fifty dollars. Man. It was honey on me, hub above,
Speaker 1: honey buns on me.
Speaker 4: Well, you know it's an extra money because we already
Speaker 4: made money playing at church.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Of the people that come
Speaker 1: on the podcast, my pops.
Speaker 4: Pops did not play that, Like my pops will be like,
Speaker 4: however you go in, that's how you go in. So
Speaker 4: if you go in free, don't ever think about getting paid.
Speaker 4: But if you negotiate from the beginning and get what
Speaker 4: you feel is comfortable and they agree to it. You'll
Speaker 4: be said, I should have played at your father. Yeah,
Speaker 4: what wasn't no free baby do that?
Speaker 1: This church we do that. I got a bunch of
Speaker 1: slave labor out of me.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, So I mean after I was doing all
Speaker 4: that stuff for schoolmates and stuff like that, I never
Speaker 4: forget my homeboy, Romeo Rondell. Here's a big barber in
Speaker 4: the city. But he also had a label, and man,
Speaker 4: he started buying all my beats, all of them.
Speaker 1: It's called barber shop records. Start buying records. I get it.
Speaker 4: Shout out to Romeo round now, Like he was the
Speaker 4: first one that was.
Speaker 1: Like, yo, man, you gonna make it.
Speaker 4: He was like, your your music is musical. It's not
Speaker 4: the regular stuff that's going on out here. He's like, man,
Speaker 4: you're putting music in it.
Speaker 1: Like what year is this? This is.
Speaker 4: I graduated in two thousand and one, so this is nineteen.
Speaker 1: Who you in middle school? School?
Speaker 2: High school? All your yeah, buying beats? Are you making?
Speaker 4: I'm making him at Katewalk at this time?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: So then what ends up happening again? Another when your
Speaker 4: father plants seeds and do well with people.
Speaker 1: It was a cat named don Juan. He's a big producer.
Speaker 4: He did all Tech nine stuff, like he still do
Speaker 4: a lot of people's a lot of Western as well.
Speaker 4: So don Juan, my daddy put him on as a
Speaker 4: drummer when he was younger, and he used to travel
Speaker 4: with my father Sore was like intertwined family and everything.
Speaker 4: So he was one of my favorite people, like who
Speaker 4: I used to try to be, like playing drums and stuff.
Speaker 4: So middle school, I asked one his cousin, I'm like, yo, Where'sdwan.
Speaker 4: He was like, yo, bro, that's don Juan. Like he's
Speaker 4: working with QD three Quincy Jones.
Speaker 2: Tech nine is his artist. I'm like, what he making beats?
Speaker 2: So he gives me his number. I call him.
Speaker 4: I'm like, Dwan is this little Ronnie? He was like
Speaker 4: big Ronnie Son like little little Ronnie. I was like yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I'm making beats. And then he
Speaker 1: just like got silent, and I.
Speaker 4: Was like, what's wrong. He was like, Nigga, I didn't
Speaker 4: put it two and two together. I've been hearing your
Speaker 4: name around the city and I just didn't put it together.
Speaker 4: He was like, tell your daddy brings you out to
Speaker 4: my house right now, right now, right now.
Speaker 1: And he was in the suburbs. He was making making money.
Speaker 4: That bad Take nine, he's killing fifty seventh Street road dogs.
Speaker 1: Go out to his crib studios and home studio.
Speaker 4: Incredible MPC, three thousands, tritons, trinities, dat machines, everything you
Speaker 4: can imagine, right And he looked at me his like, Yo,
Speaker 4: Pops did wonders for my life. I'm gonna help you
Speaker 4: out do the same thing. This is what you need
Speaker 4: to do. I'm give you all my sounds to my MPC.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have.
Speaker 4: All the you know, that's a big thing starting out
Speaker 4: as a producer, trying to use trying to use the
Speaker 4: the trit and drums or something like that.
Speaker 1: I hate it.
Speaker 3: Sound bro gave me. He was like, you have to
Speaker 3: pay for those sounds. The people were selling sound packs.
Speaker 3: No it was it was crazy. So he basically gave
Speaker 3: me the blueprint. He's like, get you a trite and
Speaker 3: get you this, get you that. And then I was like, yo,
Speaker 3: this shit is spensive. So I had to get a job.
Speaker 4: I worked at white Castle's churches.
Speaker 1: Chicken they was all at one was a.
Speaker 4: Lifeguard and that was the difference too, Like all your
Speaker 4: friends be like, bro, why are you why are you working?
Speaker 4: It's like, man, how I'm supposed to pay for this equipment?
Speaker 4: So just start hustling.
Speaker 3: But that's where the hustle starts, right, And that's where
Speaker 3: you identify whether you're serious about this ship or not,
Speaker 3: whether you really got passion for what you're willing to do.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying in terms of doing what
Speaker 3: you have to do to get to what you want
Speaker 3: to do, right.
Speaker 4: I tell producers all the time how easy they have
Speaker 4: it right now, like that you can just.
Speaker 1: Go get some drums off of a website, like you
Speaker 1: don't have so accessible.
Speaker 4: You don't have to hook no many time piece up
Speaker 4: to your MPC and started with your triton and try
Speaker 4: to figure out it's insane.
Speaker 3: I bought a music store was going out of business
Speaker 3: and was selling like all of their CDs for like
Speaker 3: on like fifty cent or something like that. I bought
Speaker 3: like four moving boxes of CDs from them, and I
Speaker 3: would just have sampling days all day.
Speaker 1: I would just sample from no CDs.
Speaker 2: Trying to find an open spot for that that snare
Speaker 2: or just or just a sound or just an eight
Speaker 2: bar thing that nobody had ever heard before.
Speaker 1: Like just getting that, trying to get that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not on the mouse and dragging it and dropping
Speaker 3: it in and it just automatically sinks up formats to
Speaker 3: the to the tempo.
Speaker 1: What came from a different day. It's crazy, super crazy.
Speaker 1: Well it wasn't.
Speaker 3: You couldn't just put it in another key, yeah, because you.
Speaker 1: Felt like you know what I was talking about.
Speaker 4: To one of my interns, I was like, bro, y'all,
Speaker 4: y'all got YouTube, y'all can look something up and someone
Speaker 4: else will tell you how to.
Speaker 1: We had to open up the manual and read all
Speaker 1: the words. We didn't even know.
Speaker 2: What they meant or know somebody and go to their
Speaker 2: house and sup with them for a week. But but
Speaker 2: the older guy that'll be irritated if you're trying to
Speaker 2: call them, like he's like, hey, bro, read the book.
Speaker 1: First, like that, that's on like the first two pages.
Speaker 3: I'm talking my daughter the other day because we're just
Speaker 3: talking about like just things that she wants to do,
Speaker 3: like on social media, and I said, you are so
Speaker 3: blessed to live in an age. First of all, I'm
Speaker 3: happy that you're asking these questions. I'm saying, you want
Speaker 3: the information. I was like, unfortunately, some of this information
Speaker 3: I don't have. I said, but guess what, there are tutorials,
Speaker 3: thousands of tutory on how to do anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah you kidding me? Yeah, it's crazy. I say.
Speaker 3: You are young, you are still absorbing. Search out the
Speaker 3: information you want and download that information. Yeah, I wish,
Speaker 3: I wish we have, man.
Speaker 1: What that's how our pers were talking to us.
Speaker 2: If y'all had right now, this is the truth though,
Speaker 2: it is it is if I could take this information.
Speaker 1: Back then the twenty four year old me, it's crazy.
Speaker 3: Or if I could bring the twenty four year old
Speaker 3: me with that talent and that drive and that space
Speaker 3: to this space right now, I was a maniac.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it's super crazy.
Speaker 4: So after don Jan gave me the game, then it's
Speaker 4: just like I think, while me and Jay became like brothers,
Speaker 4: because like Kansas City and the Bay are like intertwined.
Speaker 4: For sure, It's it's crazy, like the city is a
Speaker 4: West Coast mob beat tight, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: So what ended up happening like Young Mouth of be
Speaker 4: over my house, Mac dre oh bro I had like
Speaker 4: Pops had to come to me one day, it's like niggas.
Speaker 4: You selling drugs like these niggas coming in with all
Speaker 4: the gold teeth and slanging beats.
Speaker 3: You get your jobs right, you get your money together right. Okay,
Speaker 3: what equipment did you buy?
Speaker 4: MPC three thousand was my second purchase. First purchase was
Speaker 4: the Triton. Did you did you try to learn the
Speaker 4: sequence on the tripe? Had to had to. My setup
Speaker 4: was sequence in the Triton and basically have it control
Speaker 4: the MPC trigger, so when I pushed start on my Triton,
Speaker 4: it'll triggered up my drums.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you just have to have a little for
Speaker 1: the eight bar loop on the drum, and like you
Speaker 1: set up you.
Speaker 4: Know, then you you elevate this a little bit more money,
Speaker 4: get that Proteus two thousand and more.
Speaker 2: Fat, but you just got the regular stock. Yet you
Speaker 2: can't afford them.
Speaker 3: We used to kill me as you start talking about
Speaker 3: those modules. When I first met Timberland, I understood why
Speaker 3: he was well. I mean, of course his brain works different,
Speaker 3: but I also understood the other advantage he had over
Speaker 3: all of us.
Speaker 4: He got everything first unlimited.
Speaker 1: I didn't know this was a until I would buy
Speaker 1: a rack.
Speaker 3: That came out maybe two years later that Timberland had
Speaker 3: already used the sounds.
Speaker 1: You used all the good sounds already. It already used
Speaker 1: the good sounds.
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, I wasted money. It's like two sounds
Speaker 3: in here. But you got the racks going and so
Speaker 3: and so when it okay, he gave you the game.
Speaker 3: You were already selling fifty dollars beats. When do you
Speaker 3: get to that next level where these guys are coming over,
Speaker 3: because the guys you're naming our guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they the five hundred dollars level. They give you
Speaker 1: that five hundred How did you get there? Though? How
Speaker 1: did they know? How did they hear about you? Just
Speaker 1: basically through the connections.
Speaker 2: Yeah, been in the city because you know, you got
Speaker 2: a small city. So all the rappers start and all
Speaker 2: the rappers from the Bay they go to Kansas City
Speaker 2: to perform.
Speaker 4: It's a huge market for Bay Area artists.
Speaker 2: So if you got a record that's breaking in the Bay,
Speaker 2: it's breaking in Kansas City.
Speaker 1: It's just a.
Speaker 2: Sister city in Kansas City and Detroit. Me from the Bay,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like Eve forty two short
Speaker 2: be legit every saying Quinn, all of these artists that
Speaker 2: were huge in the Bay and were staples there.
Speaker 4: Kansas City was an immediate.
Speaker 5: Go to, okay, like.
Speaker 4: You had to go there because our two big rappers
Speaker 4: at the time was Tech nine and Risk the Factor.
Speaker 1: So they were like everywhere, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And they do shows together they like it really is
Speaker 2: they sister cities for the most point, I mean for
Speaker 2: the most part.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it got it got jumping pretty fast.
Speaker 2: But like they had money, so it wouldn't they would
Speaker 2: come by one beat, They'll come by ten at a time.
Speaker 4: Because at that independent game, they told you at this point,
Speaker 4: I'm like sixteen.
Speaker 1: Tell them five dollars beats. I'm rich.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you in the bundle as a bundle too though,
Speaker 2: I'm rich ten of them, so five thousand, sixteen, I'm
Speaker 2: killing them.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he was cooking. I'm rich. They can't tell
Speaker 1: me nothing.
Speaker 2: What was your first outside music purchase? J was getting
Speaker 2: to ask you to beat them to.
Speaker 4: It because you ain't got no rent, no, And I was.
Speaker 4: I was scared because because Pops was like, okay, if
Speaker 4: you ain't selling drugs, like how much money you making?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: So I got scared I'm like, man, this nigga ba.
Speaker 2: Take my money tation Yeah, And he was like, nah,
Speaker 2: just show it to me. So I showed him like
Speaker 2: ten fifteen thousand, and he was like, man, I'm proud
Speaker 2: of you.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna ask you for the rank. I want
Speaker 1: you to be here safe. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It's like keep on going. It's like, as long as
Speaker 4: you're getting your money support.
Speaker 2: Who would you buy bro more No outside outside of
Speaker 2: you bought nothing outside of music.
Speaker 1: No, because Kansas City is dangerous.
Speaker 4: I could Yeah, it is what you about to do, right,
Speaker 4: Like no, I would just buy more equipment than you
Speaker 4: got digit double O one And that was like that
Speaker 4: that that till Macintosh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fat back, which fa back? What I'm saying with that,
Speaker 1: did you double one? Did you get the inbox two?
Speaker 1: You got the inbox pro to inbox? Wasn't it was?
Speaker 5: It was?
Speaker 1: It was digit double? What it was? That was like
Speaker 1: the first two channel you know, you had your mic
Speaker 1: do it and everything.
Speaker 4: Then I started the studio business. It's fifty dollars an hour.
Speaker 4: Where was it at the house?
Speaker 1: So you were you was you was engineering the whole thing, man,
Speaker 1: mac dre all of them in there. I'm engineering and
Speaker 1: probably just letting you do your thing.
Speaker 4: It was a musical house, so it was always loud music.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so rap music different. It's different and the element
Speaker 2: is different.
Speaker 1: But when popsy, you're making money.
Speaker 4: Money that's coming in, make it to get to it.
Speaker 4: I'd rather you be here in my house and I'm
Speaker 4: making sure everybody good, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Then you be going to their studio, have them come
Speaker 1: to the house.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And where are y'all living in Kan City suburbs?
Speaker 1: In the hood.
Speaker 4: Wasn't no suburbs. We didn't get out of suburbs. So
Speaker 4: I started making some money.
Speaker 1: Where's in the hood?
Speaker 4: Straight up? Niggas was pulling up that they need that.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Need that heatga, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: So you're doing all this middle Kansas City in the
Speaker 2: hood sixteen seventeen. Yeah, Are you already focused on getting
Speaker 2: out of KC and kind of going to the big
Speaker 2: leagues onto some LA Miami, New York, Atlanta play yet?
Speaker 2: Or are you still just like, you know what, I'm
Speaker 2: getting money in KC. I'm not focused on that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 4: You always have that in your head, but you don't
Speaker 4: have to know how and you don't have the connections
Speaker 4: just yet.
Speaker 1: So it's like, if I keep.
Speaker 4: On building up, niggas go hear about me, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. So I kept on building, kept on building.
Speaker 4: And then when you build yourself up in your city,
Speaker 4: you start getting favor from people, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: the security guards.
Speaker 1: You can get backstage. Oh that's a little Ronnie.
Speaker 4: Then that started giving me opportunity to meet the celebrities
Speaker 4: when they would come in. And then I had the
Speaker 4: advantage of having cousins that were signed to R. Kelly, Oh, Keith,
Speaker 4: because Keith Forrell, you got Marlin, you got Bishop Young down,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Ernest Dixon, you know, so
Speaker 4: they had already had that experience, but then they were
Speaker 4: back in the city, like you got to understand Bishop
Speaker 4: Ernest Dixon wrote.
Speaker 1: Stutter yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: For Joe, yeah, he wrote, liar, You're a cheater, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it was like bro Idea.
Speaker 4: When he would pull up, he had that. That's when
Speaker 4: the navigator first came out. You spent that one hundred thousand.
Speaker 4: I'm doing this.
Speaker 1: He rich for real. So you had that right and
Speaker 1: they will.
Speaker 4: Always come over, you know, what I'm saying, and we
Speaker 4: would make music and do different stuff.
Speaker 1: And what's crazy is they were R. Kelly fanatics. I
Speaker 1: didn't even like R. Kelly his music then.
Speaker 4: I mean I didn't get it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I was like, bro, he all right, how are you
Speaker 4: six things?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I really didn't listen to secular music like that,
Speaker 2: not because my parents were strict and said you couldn't
Speaker 2: listen to it. The guy had to rehearse, so I
Speaker 2: would just be listening to gospel music or playing jazz
Speaker 2: or playing classical. So we're in the same place, yuh,
Speaker 2: except he was doing music for the Bay Area rappers to.
Speaker 1: That, right. I mean he had that element. But I
Speaker 1: know why he didn't get R.
Speaker 3: Kelly at first because he was still a purist as
Speaker 3: a musician, you know what I'm saying. And he was
Speaker 3: still very much in that element. So when I first
Speaker 3: heard Kelly, I was like, this is dude's singing flat,
Speaker 3: sure's all over the place. What is this like?
Speaker 1: It didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't catch it at first, and then one day
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, he's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's that guy.
Speaker 4: He's that guy.
Speaker 1: And I used to.
Speaker 4: Listen to a lot of unreleased records because they would
Speaker 4: have you you know what I mean, Like, man, it
Speaker 4: was a version of I Believe I Can Fly that
Speaker 4: I don't even think people have ever heard like it
Speaker 4: just went to ten different places and was like a
Speaker 4: full story. So with them having that experience, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, they would come in and write with me.
Speaker 4: So with me and everything they had got out they
Speaker 4: deal with R. Kelly, they were back home. Then that's
Speaker 4: when the opportunity came with Jermaine Duprix, So basically JD.
Speaker 1: We ended up getting backstage. It was a screen tour
Speaker 1: and my cousins they sung for JD.
Speaker 2: JD was like, Yo, niggas called the niggas called talent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, talent niggas called you know they on the what
Speaker 1: the tupacs on. That's just the way it is. That's talent.
Speaker 4: And Jermaine was in between his deals at the time.
Speaker 4: He had just left Sony and then he ended up
Speaker 4: getting this deal at Aristo right with La, So he
Speaker 4: was like, man, it's my word.
Speaker 1: Once I get my next deal, I'm gonna come back
Speaker 1: and rock with y'all.
Speaker 2: And he was like, and we forgot the shout out
Speaker 2: earl Oh we forgot Yes, yeah, to me, he was
Speaker 2: he was the jojo of their group. Absolutely, he was
Speaker 2: the jojo of their group in my opinion. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I got guy too.
Speaker 4: So we go through that whole situation and Jermaine actually
Speaker 4: comes back and he was like, who's doing all your music?
Speaker 2: It's like our cousin and that that's what put put
Speaker 2: me on to that next level. Now, when I got
Speaker 2: on that website as a social dead producer went up
Speaker 2: that that's what happened.
Speaker 4: That's what happened.
Speaker 1: Okay, so they added your name to the production crew
Speaker 1: they had.
Speaker 4: So now I'm in Kansas City, Yes, signed to So
Speaker 4: So Dead. Yeah you want be so Death?
Speaker 1: You walking around different?
Speaker 4: Oh it's different you walking around You still an eighteen
Speaker 4: year No, I love it.
Speaker 1: Shout out to my man Chuck.
Speaker 4: Two for five Yeah, you know yeah, two for five,
Speaker 4: two for five, it was it was yeah, it was
Speaker 4: two pictures for five dollars. I'm telling you, man, you
Speaker 4: gotta learn how to hustle.
Speaker 1: You gonna be all right, You're gonna be all right. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So it was like, man, my family had did so
Speaker 4: many solids for a lot of people. Like when I
Speaker 4: was coming up. Everybody just wanted to help and support,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So that's the that's the
Speaker 4: Karnas City, just man.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so let's get me whereas Jay's trying to
Speaker 3: get to how do you get out of Kansas? What
Speaker 3: is that move? Is there is there a record or
Speaker 3: some success that prompts you to make that move or
Speaker 3: is it just like I'm feeling like I need to
Speaker 3: be in a space where bigger things are happening.
Speaker 4: No, that that move came naturally. But once we got
Speaker 4: the deal with JD, it was like, oh, we got
Speaker 4: to figure out you know, Atlanta.
Speaker 1: It was more or less. So you went to Atlanta
Speaker 1: first before you came to La. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Remember I had already bought a house here.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you did have your spoty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had a house even before I came out
Speaker 4: to La.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, My first house was like two hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 3: You know, I remember when houses was that. I remember
Speaker 3: because Karen and Jimmy, you know, when they was playing
Speaker 3: with the Falcons, they both they both had those houses.
Speaker 2: I was like, man, I want you believe in these houses. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this was like two somethings and it.
Speaker 4: Was like what Yeah what Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Like four thousand square for the houses. I was saying,
Speaker 1: what is what? It's crazy?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is part of that. Now you're trying
Speaker 4: to figure out how to move, move and beat down
Speaker 4: where because now you have access absolutely. And that's how
Speaker 4: me and Bao became so close because we was the youngest.
Speaker 4: Niggas said so so deaf, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And he'll be in there mad JD in there with
Speaker 4: Usher and Mariah and he's like, man, nigga won't give
Speaker 4: me no beats. I'm trying to write my own songs.
Speaker 4: I'm like, bro, I make beats. He like, you got
Speaker 4: studio too? Yeah, then we got to it. So that
Speaker 4: was the So what was your studio when you got
Speaker 4: you got when you got to Atlanta? It was in
Speaker 4: my house. In the house, I had a nice bread
Speaker 4: Yeah I remember, it's nice. Got the studio, I already
Speaker 4: got all my equipment.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I mean. So now it's just
Speaker 3: a beautiful beat maker, engineer song.
Speaker 1: Right, let's go.
Speaker 2: So how much time do you spend in Atlanta before
Speaker 2: you come to l A Atlanta?
Speaker 4: It was just working, having having a place and the
Speaker 4: connection again Damon. Tomman comes in the picture because he
Speaker 4: knows my cousins right.
Speaker 2: Because he they were they were with Damon before they
Speaker 2: were with R Kelly.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 2: So that story is, you know, I was at the
Speaker 2: house today they dated car service came.
Speaker 1: I was there, So you go tell the story.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna let you.
Speaker 1: You jump in. Yeah, yeah, it was great, was great.
Speaker 4: There was a battle between signing with Babyface or signing
Speaker 4: with R Kelly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, somehow R Kelly wins. A car pulls up in.
Speaker 1: The middle of the middle of the night, in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night. I woke up. The niggas was
Speaker 1: gone because we're all there.
Speaker 2: We are studio house. It's a whole niggas boys club
Speaker 2: that we when when working.
Speaker 4: This is ninety.
Speaker 1: Something like that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this had been the second time in La at
Speaker 4: Damon's house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they about to sign, They about to sign
Speaker 2: with Babyface, and you know it's deal is done.
Speaker 1: It was done. But them is my niggas.
Speaker 2: We didn't created our own friendship bond as brothers.
Speaker 1: Niggas like nig KALs doll.
Speaker 4: You know, Nigga Country can't see nigga.
Speaker 2: The nigga kells dog kill I'm like, y'all really about
Speaker 2: to just y'all about to go to Chicago. Y'all out
Speaker 2: like man, that car cup Nigga we count I'm like, nigga,
Speaker 2: y'all about this pretty much signed tomorrow, Like y'all pretty
Speaker 2: much about to sign y'all deal tomorrow. Y'all have met
Speaker 2: with baby Face. Baby Face love y'all. It's a rap nigga.
Speaker 2: He about to he ain't or killy nigga. You know,
Speaker 2: they was gone, car came. Nigg I woke up, I
Speaker 2: probably you know, I rise early, Nigga. I'm up early,
Speaker 2: no matter what time I go to sleep. By the
Speaker 2: time I woke up cracking dawn, them niggas was out.
Speaker 1: I'm looking around. I'm like, and I already know what's up. Nigga.
Speaker 4: Damon, He's like, nigga, who the boys asking?
Speaker 1: They gone bro out cold.
Speaker 4: So there was probably on a six a m to Chicago.
Speaker 1: Left left at fall, left to get there two hours before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they gone, they gone. Next time I talked to him,
Speaker 2: they called me. They did in Chicago, laughing.
Speaker 4: We just hooped, Nigga.
Speaker 1: We just finished rub Nigga gone gone. So that's the
Speaker 1: that's the connection. From from Damon.
Speaker 4: So you know, they like, oh little Ronnie, he popping
Speaker 4: in the city like it's going down.
Speaker 5: Ye know.
Speaker 1: He was so so deaf, blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: Damon calls me and he like talking shit, Damon, Man,
Speaker 4: how you go be from the hometown in Kancity and
Speaker 4: you're supposed to be the hottest nigga.
Speaker 1: Nigga, I'm the hottest nigga. I'm from Kansas City. He like,
Speaker 1: you need to be down here with me, nigga. I'm like, bro,
Speaker 1: what you be be down there with you? He was like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, I'm with j D. Look at the charts.
Speaker 1: You need to be down here.
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, man, I'll fly down there.
Speaker 2: So I end up flying down there. Nigga didn't come back.
Speaker 1: You just didn't come back.
Speaker 4: Well, I had a house here, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was just like once you got there, you
Speaker 1: was like, okay.
Speaker 4: It was a different experience, man. It was like, and
Speaker 4: this is how I met Ja, Like my first day
Speaker 4: up there. Jade the youngest nigga there.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm his.
Speaker 4: Little country nigga for Kansas City. I'm coming in and
Speaker 4: Damon immediately says Jay I need you to.
Speaker 1: Take care of him. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So from then, you know, we fire heat from the
Speaker 2: bab I'm like, nigga, everybody be at my house, all
Speaker 2: the niggas. I'm like, oh, man, that's the homie, that's
Speaker 2: the homie, that's my cousin.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's like we instantly became and then I also
Speaker 2: knew the group that's his actual cousins, so we just
Speaker 2: had an immediate bond.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so it just kind of it kind of
Speaker 1: went from there.
Speaker 2: Is that when I met him or was that after
Speaker 2: now you met you met him around the same time
Speaker 2: to the same time, Yeah, right, the same time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's what man. That that building was amazing.
Speaker 4: It was amazing.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Listen.
Speaker 4: I remember going there because I was making money but
Speaker 4: I hadn't had any major hits yet, right, And I
Speaker 4: was just in there talking to Tony one day, Tony Dixon, man,
Speaker 4: and I was just looking at his plaques and looking
Speaker 4: at everybody stuff, and I was like, bro, I just
Speaker 4: want a plack.
Speaker 1: I just need one.
Speaker 4: And I'm telling you, if I get one, I know
Speaker 4: how to make it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I'm a multiplied I know how to do it, and
Speaker 4: Tony looked at me and started laughing. He was like,
Speaker 4: be more concerned with the business. Your plaques are gonna come.
Speaker 4: Take care of your business.
Speaker 1: And that stuck with me.
Speaker 4: Wow, like all this them plaques, Nigga. You can have
Speaker 4: a plaquea and no money. You can have a lot
Speaker 4: of plaquesa no money, a.
Speaker 1: Lot of plaques and no money.
Speaker 4: But if you take care of your business, you will
Speaker 4: survive longer than anybody. And that's that's really been my model.
Speaker 4: I ain't never even told Tony that, Like, that's been
Speaker 4: my whole model.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, you have to watch your business man.
Speaker 2: I tell people every day I'm not in the music,
Speaker 2: and that's what got him kicked out watching this business.
Speaker 1: Watch.
Speaker 4: So yeah, let's let's let's let's let's move along to.
Speaker 2: Because when you've got there, because here there are to
Speaker 2: be money podcasts.
Speaker 5: We like to give.
Speaker 1: The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
Speaker 1: Absolutely so helped me.
Speaker 2: So help God God, because I can, I can, I
Speaker 2: can attest for this. You showed up with Sorry two
Speaker 2: thousand and four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fully done.
Speaker 2: I remember this because I was like, that record is crazy,
Speaker 2: this little because that Nigga had that record. And that's
Speaker 2: what Damon was like, Nigga, you gotta hear this record.
Speaker 1: He got Nigga pushed player. I said, man, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Who wrote that? Eric Dawkins, Tony Dixon, He had the
Speaker 1: whole the whole crew. Yeah, the whole crew. I had.
Speaker 2: The beat was made. Had the beat made? Yeah, so
Speaker 2: not that I'm sorry, Yeah, the beat of it was.
Speaker 2: And then the guys got to it and did that
Speaker 2: ship to it because you noticed that didn't sound like
Speaker 2: an underdog record. It's a little bit, a little bit different.
Speaker 1: It became it was a shift. It was a shift.
Speaker 3: It became the sonic though, it became part of the sonic,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like, wherever you brought to it,
Speaker 3: it was now, okay, we're gonna move forward with this,
Speaker 3: just saying with.
Speaker 1: Just saying, but that's also that's also smart business for.
Speaker 2: The team itself, for the underdogs themselves and ourselves to
Speaker 2: being able to adjust and you know too, where music
Speaker 2: was going. And it took yeah, and it took an
Speaker 2: eighteen nineteen year old to come in there who really
Speaker 2: didn't know. Yeah, you didn't know.
Speaker 4: You gotta be got some music making beats in the hood.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, but it and damon being
Speaker 2: able to identify sonically day man, Harvey, Damon identifying you,
Speaker 2: Harvey identifying the sonic of it, and like you said,
Speaker 2: that turning into a shift into how the building sounded
Speaker 2: after that, because it definitely was. It definitely was a shift.
Speaker 2: There was a shift that happened. It's crazy, said, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Give us that process, give us that process.
Speaker 2: You come in there, you got this track, and now
Speaker 2: these songwriters that you've heard their songs, you heard, you know,
Speaker 2: things that they've been doing. These producers, they hear this song,
Speaker 2: and now everybody wants to help you finish this.
Speaker 4: This was the most amazing experience I had ever had
Speaker 4: because you're just not used to seeing people work together,
Speaker 4: like bounce off each other, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You got Eric Dawkins and you're from the church too,
Speaker 1: so yeah, this need to know some monster in the building.
Speaker 1: I was like, monster, bro, you you write R and
Speaker 1: B two. I didn't know.
Speaker 4: I knew who he was, but I didn't know the
Speaker 4: position he played. And seeing everybody and what was cool? Right,
Speaker 4: everybody in there were basically hybrids could write songs and
Speaker 4: make beats everybody. Everybody had their niggas could really finish
Speaker 4: the songs by themselves.
Speaker 1: But it was this thing.
Speaker 4: You walked past somebody's room and you heard that, and
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, the group was just everybody migrate,
Speaker 4: migrate to.
Speaker 1: The room like this one. This one was yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: pull up some bells.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like it was like the craziest collaboration was.
Speaker 4: It was so cool, bro it was the coolest thing
Speaker 4: I had ever seen because you're just not used to
Speaker 4: seeing people collaborate like that. And everybody had they had
Speaker 4: their positions, you know what I mean. So I was
Speaker 4: just like, brodymon gave me, gave me a room. I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh my underg it's all. And then just to see
Speaker 4: the star power that was going through there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I had that first room.
Speaker 4: So a lot of them will hear something, just peep
Speaker 4: in and I'm like, oh, ship, that's Tony, b.
Speaker 1: Oh, oh, that's Jojo Oh. Tanky's up here every day,
Speaker 1: like and we're playing Halo.
Speaker 2: Absolutely Halo that she used to make my head hurt.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you niggas, yeah, no.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. And I just seen Tyree in the parking lot, right,
Speaker 1: it was. It was nuts.
Speaker 4: Every artist you could think of, everybody you.
Speaker 1: Can think of, so man, that time it was crazy.
Speaker 4: But the experience I tell anybody, the underdog situation really
Speaker 4: taught me how to make songs.
Speaker 1: I went a beat maker. By the time I was done,
Speaker 1: I was a full producer and a songwriter. Speaking of
Speaker 1: your time, time wasn't very long. It wasn't what happened, Jay.
Speaker 2: It was so.
Speaker 1: Back to the business.
Speaker 4: Sorry, two thousand and four had came out, and at
Speaker 4: that time, what it was only the second American idol.
Speaker 4: Ruby was the same. So it was the biggest thing
Speaker 4: in life, biggest thing in life. And after they seen
Speaker 4: my percentage on the record, every publisher in the world
Speaker 4: was on my phone. And I had a brother that
Speaker 4: I could.
Speaker 1: Talk to him right there.
Speaker 4: It was him who was was it Chuck?
Speaker 1: He was in a position, Chuck Chuck.
Speaker 4: So I had all these people to bounce off of,
Speaker 4: like I mean, because I wasn't signed to the Underdogs,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I was actually signed to
Speaker 4: JD but they never gave me advance or anything like that.
Speaker 4: So that had a time period which I didn't care
Speaker 4: because I was able to do what I needed to
Speaker 4: do just off the name, like and some people need
Speaker 4: to realize that too. Sometimes it ain't about the money,
Speaker 4: It's about the position you put in to make money,
Speaker 4: you know. So everybody's calling, I'm talking to Jay. I'm like, bro,
Speaker 4: they trying to get me such and such and this
Speaker 4: and that, And then just so happened. Probably the next day.
Speaker 4: Eric Dawkers is in a room and he just had
Speaker 4: a check, like just laying on the table, and this
Speaker 4: was the biggest check I had ever seen in my
Speaker 4: entire life.
Speaker 1: And I was like, bro, what is that check from?
Speaker 4: He was like, oh, Christina Aguilera, I you can make
Speaker 4: that type of money off music. He's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 4: just just stay focused and.
Speaker 5: Keep on going.
Speaker 2: But nigga, you got records and you've done some great things.
Speaker 2: And this is the R and B Money Podcast, and
Speaker 2: yes there's money in that, and yes we've we've established
Speaker 2: that you've done well for yourself. But let's tell these
Speaker 2: people about these records and these stories behind these records.
Speaker 1: Let's go.
Speaker 2: Let's get we talked about sorry two thousand and four,
Speaker 2: let's get into Uh, I'm a flirt, Okay, I'm a
Speaker 2: flirt because there's some you know, I'm a flirt was
Speaker 2: on multiple artists.
Speaker 1: It was how the fuck did you get multiple checks?
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that. Let's talk about all right.
Speaker 4: So, like I explained, Bow Wow was my ace right,
Speaker 4: still still my brother at the time, Like I said,
Speaker 4: We're making beats, were making songs, were finishing his album,
Speaker 4: and I ended up getting a relationship with R.
Speaker 1: Kelly, Like got those calls you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Well, my managers at the times the best friends with him,
Speaker 2: Rocky Bivins, Latasha Scott's husband, and he was great friends
Speaker 2: with him.
Speaker 4: Hooked us up and Rob fell in love on my
Speaker 4: production and he was like, let's let's go right. The
Speaker 4: first track I sent him was I'm a Flirt.
Speaker 1: So I asked Bow. I was like, Yo, you want
Speaker 1: to do a song with R. Kelly. He's like hell yeah, right.
Speaker 1: So I send the track to Rob.
Speaker 4: He literally hits me back in like three hours and
Speaker 4: he was like, it's a boy, said nigga, Nigga, what
Speaker 4: what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: It's a boy? Nigga. I called Hit Records my children,
Speaker 1: and it's a boy. He said, I'm gonna have able
Speaker 1: send it to you right now, Nigga, I play that song,
Speaker 1: I fall out on the floor.
Speaker 2: So when he sends it, is does he send a
Speaker 2: full song or does he just send the hook back?
Speaker 1: He said, he sends the hook.
Speaker 4: And he says, give him another couple of hours.
Speaker 1: Uh he no, he asked. He said, do you want
Speaker 1: me to put a verse on it?
Speaker 5: Hell?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want you to put a verse on it.
Speaker 4: He's like, all right, give me a couple of hours.
Speaker 1: Nigga I called Bao. I was like, Bro, he did it.
Speaker 1: He's like, Nigga, you line.
Speaker 4: I was like, nah, bro, he did it. I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm headed over to the house. I'm about to play
Speaker 4: it for you.
Speaker 1: Nigga playing for bow.
Speaker 4: This Nigga like, Nigga, is it this a motherfucker single?
Speaker 4: And he's he's proud because now this is a moment
Speaker 4: that JD didn't do the beat. JD didn't write the song,
Speaker 4: like he's bringing a hit record to the table. So
Speaker 4: Bao drop his Uh, I'm gonna get into details, Bao
Speaker 4: drop his verse.
Speaker 1: We sent it back for Rob for approval. Bow Wow
Speaker 1: says a line that Rob said.
Speaker 4: On his part right and that nigga Rob called me
Speaker 4: and said, hey, man, tell that nigga write his own shit.
Speaker 1: That's my goddamn line. Tell him he write it. Ship.
Speaker 4: Hey, niggas reference me, Hey, yeah, yeah, go ahead and
Speaker 4: rewrite that part.
Speaker 1: So rewrite it. Rob like cool, It's like it's a smash.
Speaker 4: It's like congratulations, young niggas like y'all, y'all got what
Speaker 4: We take it back to.
Speaker 1: Jd uh KP and they just kind of like like
Speaker 1: kind of it's cool.
Speaker 4: It's cool, right, So I'll go into his superstar mode
Speaker 4: called Mom's managers like these niggas hating this is the
Speaker 4: fucking single.
Speaker 1: This is what I want my single to be.
Speaker 4: Boom boom boom boom and the powers to be was
Speaker 4: just like no, said no, and end up putting the
Speaker 4: song on a hidden bonus track on a Walmart version
Speaker 4: because you know you used to have version. We know,
Speaker 4: we know I got I got a hidden bonus on
Speaker 4: my way.
Speaker 1: Hitting bonus track was the target version or our best.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't like my verse, niggas, Do you
Speaker 2: like that bro's you know these niggas right, niggas, partition
Speaker 2: is up right now man, Walmart version, Walmart version, So
Speaker 2: let let the manager sing on your record, and it's
Speaker 2: the treat grateful you let her retired niggas sing on
Speaker 2: your song. I should have called him and said, niggas
Speaker 2: a boy. So it's on a hidden bonus track on
Speaker 2: the Walmart verse.
Speaker 4: Put an R Kelly record on a hitting R Kelly's height.
Speaker 1: That wasn't the worst part about it.
Speaker 4: After you put this man he has a side protection one.
Speaker 1: You can't even do that.
Speaker 2: The nigga hit me like, first of all, they didn't
Speaker 2: put the shit out as a single because at that
Speaker 2: time I didn't know, you know how it goes.
Speaker 1: He was about to have a single out, so Rob
Speaker 1: fuck with me so much. He was like, Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get them to push that out.
Speaker 4: Just make sure it's a single because my single is
Speaker 4: about to come out, and after that comes out, ain't
Speaker 4: gonna be no more features, you know what I'm saying
Speaker 4: for that time period, so records are not compete with records.
Speaker 4: So I was like, cool, So the powers would be
Speaker 4: do they thing put it on a Hitten bonus track.
Speaker 4: I love saying that hitting bonus track Walmart version and
Speaker 4: that nigga Rob loses it, And he only didn't lose
Speaker 4: it because they did that they didn't send a man
Speaker 4: his money, they didn't pay R Kelly.
Speaker 1: He was like, man, I ain't got my money. These
Speaker 1: is disrespectful. I'm gonna show him what it is.
Speaker 4: And that nigga took baw Wow off called tea pain Uh.
Speaker 1: Ended up being collateral damage in a sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah it wasn't It wasn't his, but but the fucked
Speaker 4: up part was like, they try to put that shit
Speaker 4: on me like I did something like I went and
Speaker 4: sold the record twice to R Kelly And it was
Speaker 4: like for a while, man, like they had put a
Speaker 4: big dent in me and balace relationship because you got
Speaker 4: somebody that he's been with his whole career put him on.
Speaker 2: You get what I'm saying, I'm the new nigga. Like
Speaker 2: we best friends. But as somebody telling you something.
Speaker 1: So how was he able to record the record and
Speaker 1: put it out? This is the remix?
Speaker 6: Ah?
Speaker 4: Not only that it worked out that R c A
Speaker 4: and Sony is the same, it was the job and
Speaker 4: Sony they're all up the Umberella. So nigga, this is
Speaker 4: an internal call of and he is R Kelly is
Speaker 4: who he is?
Speaker 1: Our bow wow? What do you mean? And it's just
Speaker 1: a hidden record on there. Anyway, y'all didn't use it.
Speaker 1: This is the remix now.
Speaker 2: Hm, and it's my single and he wrote the record
Speaker 2: anyway now because it was a new master, I did
Speaker 2: get paid again because it was two separate masters, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I did. And that one was a lot different, a
Speaker 2: lot different. When we has no drama behind it. There's
Speaker 2: no drama behind when we is it now outside of
Speaker 2: them telling us that is it gonna work?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's some drama.
Speaker 2: No, that's big drama because now you're fighting, you arguing,
Speaker 2: you are out on the limb, basically alienating yourself and
Speaker 2: going against the grain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. That's drama because if it don't work, yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're going with it.
Speaker 8: Just look at that nigga like princey. Shit, this is
Speaker 8: the this is the remix.
Speaker 4: Oh now, oh Yo Shan's ship, the drama.
Speaker 6: Comes mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: Oh Roddies.
Speaker 7: Tarfire m hm tarfire mm hmm oh you're to fire,
Speaker 7: oh tarfa.
Speaker 1: Horribies.
Speaker 9: Singers are and be songs, little roddies, Tapa.
Speaker 6: F ho ly singer who.
Speaker 1: Hardly So.
Speaker 6: I know you have some. I know you have one.
Speaker 6: I know you've heard a lot of songs that you like,
Speaker 6: just a lot of songs that you know. I heard
Speaker 6: a lot of songs that you've seen, heard a lot
Speaker 6: of songs that you wrote.
Speaker 1: Top five, Mmm, your top fog. You think that nigga
Speaker 1: tink better than me?
Speaker 4: You think that nigga could sing top even better than me?
Speaker 1: For Ronnie? Your top five R and B singers, so hard?
Speaker 1: Bro Yah? R Kelly number one? Start then start, started off?
Speaker 1: Then number one kick it off. I'm a case and
Speaker 1: Jojo You're gonna make them number two together? Joe Yeah,
Speaker 1: just a whole brother, Yeah, Marvin Gaye. Then that's a
Speaker 1: flip between Stevie Wonder.
Speaker 4: Okay, I like what you're doing, brother, and then who
Speaker 4: else fits in that?
Speaker 1: I'm a babyface nigga too though?
Speaker 4: Come on, come on, that's that's my top five.
Speaker 1: That's exciting. Okay? Your top five.
Speaker 4: R and B songs that ain't right? I can't you
Speaker 4: better do it? I mean, I must say the songs
Speaker 4: of my top five?
Speaker 1: Why not? You know what I'm saying? Why not? And
Speaker 1: R Kelly is hard? It's too many? You know what
Speaker 1: I believe? I can fly? I love Let's get it on. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you.
Speaker 4: Well, I won't talk about that real fast because I'm
Speaker 4: trying to still confused on how they lost that lawsuit. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's I really want to talk about that because it's
Speaker 4: R and B right, Yeah, come on, How in the
Speaker 4: hell did they lose a lawsuit that? The Ed Sheering
Speaker 4: song was not like, let's get it on. Soon as
Speaker 4: I heard it, I was like, oh, Marma, gay got
Speaker 4: another one.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought. You know what's crazy?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask the musicologists over Atlantic. Yeah, because he's
Speaker 3: Borderlina genius. Yeah, he's he's he catches everything right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: take you just you know you your two notes and
Speaker 3: and right there at the end of the fourth stands
Speaker 3: of that syncopation. You're You're on it, man, Like I
Speaker 3: just changed it like four times. Yeah, you gotta.
Speaker 1: He's on it. So I'm gonna ask him to get
Speaker 1: past him.
Speaker 3: How did's even possible? I'm asking forever, my lady, why not?
Speaker 6: I just call.
Speaker 1: I love you that babyface? Which one do you pick?
Speaker 2: That's hard because it's just like, I don't know if
Speaker 2: I want to pick one he wrote or one song
Speaker 2: because I wanted to say the Boys to Men's.
Speaker 4: Song but not gonna lose either way.
Speaker 2: No, but you can say you kind of took the
Speaker 2: easy way out and just let you know that you're
Speaker 2: my brother'na keep it funky with you took the easy
Speaker 2: way out by taking songs from the same singers that
Speaker 2: you said. It was top five singers, but he took
Speaker 2: the it's your five, so whatever.
Speaker 4: Hard for somebody to be your favorite singer and they
Speaker 4: don't have your favorite song.
Speaker 1: I don't agree.
Speaker 2: I don't agree because I don't know if all my
Speaker 2: favorite singers got all my favorite songs.
Speaker 4: I agree and disagree. Fair fair, Yeah, but I get it.
Speaker 4: I know what you're doing, though I know you.
Speaker 1: Give it your nigga.
Speaker 2: I was like something about this keyboard. It's been transposed
Speaker 2: this whole time. I was like, something, ain't right.
Speaker 3: I got read out the pitch, so so you was
Speaker 3: cheating and no, y'all have me singing higher than normal.
Speaker 3: I was like, well, I can normally hit this, let's go.
Speaker 1: I didn't do it.
Speaker 4: I thought of reset every time, you know, set me up. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he wrote it, but boyster Man end of the row.
Speaker 3: Perfect song singing out of the Talent Show once, although
Speaker 3: we've come I sang it at at my ex girl,
Speaker 3: well she was my girlfriend at the time, at her
Speaker 3: high school with some guys that were in the group there.
Speaker 4: That was probably the wrong song to sing to your girlfriend, because.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't sing it to her.
Speaker 2: I sang it at her school, but still in the
Speaker 2: group that was there was a dope group, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, And they signed. They sang first on
Speaker 2: the Talent Show high school Talent Show because my cousin
Speaker 2: was a teacher there, and then they were singing that
Speaker 2: and that was from I was from another high school.
Speaker 2: It was like, you know, get up here, because a
Speaker 2: lot of people from my church went to that school.
Speaker 2: It's like, like, do girl, get up here and sing
Speaker 2: and sing with this end of the Road.
Speaker 1: So I got up on.
Speaker 3: Stage and sang with them on the End of the Road.
Speaker 3: And I remember that song so vividly in that moment,
Speaker 3: so vividly because she was actually cheating on me with
Speaker 3: one of the guys in the group.
Speaker 4: So it was you spoken into existence. It actually was
Speaker 4: the end of the road.
Speaker 2: It wasn't just yet because I didn't find out ti later,
Speaker 2: but then I was like, that's that's my fond memory
Speaker 2: of the end of the road. We was hung together
Speaker 2: and I know that. No, that's how you felt though.
Speaker 2: She played with my heart and she was knocking down.
Speaker 1: The niggas who sang it? Why do you play with
Speaker 1: my mind? Why do you.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm mm hmm.
Speaker 1: It hurt to find that out.
Speaker 2: That's crazy because I'm sure she's probably asked for tickets. No,
Speaker 2: m hm, she took her air. I listen, I respect
Speaker 2: the ones that take their air.
Speaker 1: Don't come back. I respect them ones tough. Yeah, don't
Speaker 1: come back. It's still sting a little bit.
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 2: I just think this some thirty years ago, some residual
Speaker 2: trauma ship. You know, you be locked in. You're like,
Speaker 2: I ain't do nothing.
Speaker 1: Y'all need to do call in. She need to call
Speaker 1: and apologize. I kept it. Holy look where he got
Speaker 1: you report it to my music? All right, here we go.
Speaker 1: You lived the black slack my brother.
Speaker 4: I have and I honestly believe in phil is just
Speaker 4: the beginning, because it is mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Church.
Speaker 1: I ain't saying no. Next ain't saying I ain't saying
Speaker 1: no names, say no name? Who is what you did?
Speaker 1: You don't say s I ain't saying no names.
Speaker 2: Man, we've come to that time, all right. You gotta
Speaker 2: tell us a story funny, fucked up, are funny and
Speaker 2: fucked up?
Speaker 1: You hear me.
Speaker 2: The only rule to this game, m you can't say
Speaker 2: no names. I won't tell you a funny story, and
Speaker 2: I'll just say his name.
Speaker 1: Say any names. I ain't saying no noames. What you
Speaker 1: know who it is? That's fine.
Speaker 4: Interesting funny story is when I got hold on, hold on,
Speaker 4: hold on, hold on. This is little Rindy got kicked
Speaker 4: out of the Underdog building. I left with him to
Speaker 4: flirt himself, to flirt himself, messing.
Speaker 1: With the same girl.
Speaker 4: Please excuse his hands.
Speaker 1: Excuse his hands, man, I ain't saying no names. I
Speaker 1: ain't saying no names. So I get a call from
Speaker 1: a good friend.
Speaker 4: And he tells me that these he's in a certain
Speaker 4: place and he's playing these this record that had just
Speaker 4: came out, and people are dancing around the studio saying
Speaker 4: how amazing this record is, and he ends up telling
Speaker 4: them that I.
Speaker 1: Did the record and it was just crickets in the
Speaker 1: room after they were just dancing.
Speaker 4: Saying how amazing the record was and saying how incredible
Speaker 4: the artist was, and how they always.
Speaker 1: Wanted to work with them, and my little name came
Speaker 1: back up. My God, I put you in my session.
Speaker 1: That's a story. Cool and I closed my chapter there.
Speaker 1: The cool that was you'll get back man. He didn't
Speaker 1: say no names. I didn't say no names.
Speaker 3: Ship well, my brother love Ronnie. What else can we say? Man,
Speaker 3: You're family? So hey, man, you know this is this
Speaker 3: is light work. This is easy, man, But we are
Speaker 3: proud of you.
Speaker 4: I appreciate y'all because you know, y'all just don't move
Speaker 4: for anybody, and y'all just don't go anywhere.
Speaker 1: So I appreciate y'all coming to the at L man
Speaker 1: like this is. This is beautiful.
Speaker 4: I appreciate y'all work. I'm proud of y'all. Y'all really
Speaker 4: doing something for the R and B community.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 1: I don't I know anybody else that can do what
Speaker 1: y'all doing.
Speaker 5: We appreciate that.
Speaker 1: So, Bro, we love you man.
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