WEBVTT - Lil Ronnie

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<v Speaker 1>R and B Money.

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<v Speaker 2>We are thank you, Jake Valentine. We are the authorities

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<v Speaker 2>on all R and B.

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<v Speaker 1>Ladies and gentlemen. My name is Tank Valentine.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the R and B Money Podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>The authority tell him what it is on all things.

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<v Speaker 1>R and B. Can I add family to that?

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<v Speaker 4>R and B Ribs and Barbie and family.

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<v Speaker 1>Ribs and barbecue. Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh today, m hmm. This is the start of a

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<v Speaker 3>beautiful day, mister Valentine. We are in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're on the soil. Yeah, we got we got our

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<v Speaker 2>feet in the grass. You see what I'm saying. We

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<v Speaker 2>are at Enore Studios. Now, you't know what's special about

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<v Speaker 2>Eni Studio. Especial about this studio.

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<v Speaker 3>Man me, there's a boy, he little boy.

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<v Speaker 1>Boy been raising his little boy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, A songwriter, a producer, a businessman.

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<v Speaker 1>Sir, you haven to see what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>Because when you get the credits and you get the money,

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<v Speaker 3>you gotta do something with it. Yeah, you gotta turn

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<v Speaker 3>into something larger than life. The legacy has to be

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<v Speaker 3>something tangible that you can pass down to your chip.

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<v Speaker 2>H oh.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to dwell too much on the intro.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to get to the.

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<v Speaker 2>Nigga grety of what the fuck is going on?

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<v Speaker 1>We are in this man's studio, E.

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<v Speaker 2>Norse Studios in Atlanta, our Forrida Georgia, and he's here

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<v Speaker 2>in the building.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna talk that ship. Give it up a little,

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<v Speaker 1>Ronnie and.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, welcome to Atlanta, baby, Yeah, welcome to Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 5>Bro.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for having us, brother man, thank you guys

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<v Speaker 2>for coming.

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<v Speaker 4>I couldn't wait for this. Yeah, I couldn't wait for this.

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<v Speaker 1>How long have you been there?

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<v Speaker 4>We go back, man, it's a long time.

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<v Speaker 6>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>We go back to your first bends.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, the one I got kicked out. We got back.

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<v Speaker 2>We go back to your first bends. You fremendous for

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<v Speaker 2>having that.

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<v Speaker 1>Look get that, We get this. Wait a minute, my sons,

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<v Speaker 1>where was he?

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<v Speaker 4>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow?

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, bro, you've you've always been up to something. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a great way to put it. Always always, always, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And you've always seen that thing through yeah m hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Always. Somebody always say, oh, you ain't seen a little

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<v Speaker 1>right such much? Are you tripping?

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<v Speaker 3>You ain't been a little right such and such? No,

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<v Speaker 3>I ain't even know you have those like them. You

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<v Speaker 3>ain't like You've always been that.

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<v Speaker 4>Ryannie's the living boom boom room.

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<v Speaker 1>You ain't been a raised boom boom you heard about razoo.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, everybody was up in there last night. That was

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<v Speaker 2>the Quaver was in there.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of them things like you have to, like

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<v Speaker 2>my dad just put in me. If you say you

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<v Speaker 2>go do something, do it.

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<v Speaker 4>And even matter if you you got to take the loss,

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<v Speaker 4>if it comes out your mouth, you need to stick

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<v Speaker 4>stick to it and do it, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>So I've just always had big dreams and I just,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, wanted to make it happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't there wasn't there an event at your house? What

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<v Speaker 2>was that at your house? That was at your house?

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<v Speaker 1>That was little? Yeah, at your house? Yeah? It was

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<v Speaker 1>crazy first of all, So why is Rodney's house so big? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>That I was stupid, man. It was a it was

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<v Speaker 4>a blessing. I mean, how can I say this.

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<v Speaker 2>I just always wanted to make money, enjoy what I

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<v Speaker 2>would I do, But also seeing all the people that

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<v Speaker 2>blew money and got to a certain level then didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have it anymore, right, nothing to show for it. So

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<v Speaker 2>I always just wanted to, Like you said, keep the

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<v Speaker 2>legacy going, like do something with the money. Anytime I

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<v Speaker 2>had a hit record, I would put some money over

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<v Speaker 2>to invest to go to another level.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean is some money at that

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<v Speaker 3>party too. At that party, yeah, yeah, I shot some

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<v Speaker 3>some NBA guys thought you sho did?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>The only shooters in the building with Kennith for Reid. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you have to name them.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll hear this, and like to what else was it?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it? Everybody?

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<v Speaker 6>You had?

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody? It was one of the what's my guy was

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<v Speaker 1>a ballaholic? Or was it hot sauce or no.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like like three or four guys, you know

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<v Speaker 2>Overseas league guys, you know, and one and then they

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<v Speaker 2>and they didn't know that the R and B guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Had a set shot.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you want to you don't want to play five

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<v Speaker 1>from here? From here?

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<v Speaker 3>No problem? I see anybody with my set shot. I

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<v Speaker 3>want good money at your house, man. That's that's I

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<v Speaker 3>remember that day.

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<v Speaker 2>Finally, that was the goal of that house was just

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<v Speaker 2>to have great memories and a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I walked through the house. I was like that house insane,

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<v Speaker 1>Bro was insane? You live here?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, doo doing pool?

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<v Speaker 4>You saying that right. The funniest thing is when that

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<v Speaker 4>episode happened with ray J.

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<v Speaker 1>He had just left my house, no way on everything.

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<v Speaker 4>He literally was at my house for a couple of weeks,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was like white Rose Royce, black Rose Royce.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when I had a white woman and a black one.

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<v Speaker 2>That's when I had a white yeah, And it was okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not talking about a woman. We're talking about yeah

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<v Speaker 2>he was. And then he went with Mayweather and had

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<v Speaker 2>that whole I was like, Okay, ray get it baby,

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<v Speaker 2>popping it. Listen, I don't I don't care where you go

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<v Speaker 2>in the world. If there are three people in the

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<v Speaker 2>room having a conversation, they all had a moment with

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<v Speaker 2>ray J.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, it's funny to have a new thing called threads.

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<v Speaker 1>Ray J is a threat. Ray J is the three

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<v Speaker 1>red is a thread.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody can be attached to something.

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<v Speaker 2>Ray Yet absolutely be in this game. If you're not,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know Ja, you ain't.

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<v Speaker 1>You ain't really got ray Jack A little Ronnie.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's get into the Let's get into the music,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, Let's get into the music, bro, Like, let's.

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<v Speaker 4>Go back city.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying ribs and barbecue, ribs, barbecue.

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<v Speaker 1>You know it's okay, I think it's Barbara. Don't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't do that. It's cool now.

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<v Speaker 2>It's everything from the everything, everything like everything. What are

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<v Speaker 2>you saying it's another barbecue plays in Kansas City. Are

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<v Speaker 2>you trying to go like barbecue or something is better

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<v Speaker 2>or something?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying, like, listen, I'm from Milwaukee, man, there

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<v Speaker 3>was a little.

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<v Speaker 1>Never heard anything Milwaukee barbecue. You got Milwaukee Bucks, you

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<v Speaker 1>got Milwaukee barbecue.

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<v Speaker 2>Because beer, y'all got bird, we got got bird, we

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<v Speaker 2>got bir AND's rib tips.

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<v Speaker 1>It was second to none.

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<v Speaker 3>And then well we had those into my My great

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<v Speaker 3>grandfather Paul Lewis used to get on that grill. Un

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<v Speaker 3>Norman used to get on that grill. I would roll

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<v Speaker 3>with you with that, I believe that. And they got

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<v Speaker 3>so by the time you know, you know, I go

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<v Speaker 3>to the famous places that you know, say they have

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<v Speaker 3>this city? Did they speak if they speak of the

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<v Speaker 3>barbecause I'm like I've had some home grown.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, home is different. Is it from anything that's an

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<v Speaker 2>actual like establishment? Because your uncle, my brother ron Ryn,

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<v Speaker 2>little black ass get to work and I will say this.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been a lot of places and people that know me. No,

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<v Speaker 2>y'all both know I love to eat. I mean Gates, Fireman,

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<v Speaker 2>Gates fire I like Gates fire Man.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't front on Gates. Maybe they had just pumped

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<v Speaker 3>it up so crazy for me that when I.

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<v Speaker 1>Find got it, I was like, No, it's that thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that? Let me let you hold on to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Then yeah, let's go there. Let's let's go there.

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<v Speaker 4>You want some sauce, because I got some sauce. You

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<v Speaker 4>go home with it and everything and put it on

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<v Speaker 4>your Memphis barbecue. I'm older, Let's get to Kansas City.

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<v Speaker 4>When was the moment?

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<v Speaker 3>When was when did you figure out that you know

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<v Speaker 3>that you could do this and and possibly do it

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<v Speaker 3>at a high level.

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<v Speaker 1>It was real early for me.

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<v Speaker 4>I went to performing arts schools. So I went to

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<v Speaker 4>uh performing arts middle school. Then I went to see

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<v Speaker 4>high school. I actually went to performing arts schools my

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<v Speaker 4>whole really yeah, grade school, middle school, in high school.

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<v Speaker 1>What was kind of like your major? I guess in

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<v Speaker 1>the sense music?

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<v Speaker 3>Just music, yeah, musicians right alto sex yeah, okay, all state?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh huh, middle school, high school, first year state.

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<v Speaker 1>About the church, it's really band can't.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, Kansas City is known for jazz of course,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, so we had one of the top bands

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<v Speaker 4>in the nation.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you beat Cosion playing the sacks. I will let

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<v Speaker 1>Cosion have sacks off, but I let him live. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>you live live, Let Coach live. Bring my sacks out.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll be like Coach out there, you know, doing national anthems.

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<v Speaker 5>Bro he.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't want, don't want, he don't want that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll get to that. Yeah, okay, performing, come on me.

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<v Speaker 1>We actually had First of all.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a church nigga said that because I'm a church

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<v Speaker 2>nigga too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, before school in church.

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<v Speaker 3>We just a badass church.

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<v Speaker 4>So growing up, you gotta play whatever to make it

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<v Speaker 4>through Sunday service, you know what I mean. My dad's

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<v Speaker 4>incredible pianist, organist, father's a preacher, uncles or bishop's grandmother,

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<v Speaker 4>church state.

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<v Speaker 1>Mother. It's all official. You know what I'm saying. Ko Church,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so I had to had to play.

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<v Speaker 4>What was great is my family is a pretty big

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<v Speaker 4>family in Kansas City, well known. So my teachers knew

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<v Speaker 4>my family and they wouldn't let me play the instruments

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<v Speaker 4>I played at church. So it was like, no, you

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<v Speaker 4>can't play. You got you gotta do something different. So

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<v Speaker 4>that was instilled in me and I started playing all

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<v Speaker 4>the wood winds. And then middle school we had a

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<v Speaker 4>program called Applied Technology Music Theory. We were basically making

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<v Speaker 4>beats on kate walk m.

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<v Speaker 1>Hmm in middle school. So in a performing our.

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<v Speaker 4>School, everybody got a group. Everybody's a rapper, everybody's a singer. Man,

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<v Speaker 4>somebody's like, yo, we heard you. You're making beats. Can

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<v Speaker 4>we get some stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>Man?

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<v Speaker 4>I sold my first beat for fifty dollars when in

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<v Speaker 4>middle school, I said, oh, this is popping.

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<v Speaker 1>I made this in five minutes.

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<v Speaker 4>You're gonna give me whole fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>You was at the corner store acting up with that

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<v Speaker 1>fifty dollars. Man. It was honey on me, hub above,

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<v Speaker 1>honey buns on me.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know it's an extra money because we already

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<v Speaker 4>made money playing at church.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean. Of the people that come

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<v Speaker 1>on the podcast, my pops.

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<v Speaker 4>Pops did not play that, Like my pops will be like,

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<v Speaker 4>however you go in, that's how you go in. So

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<v Speaker 4>if you go in free, don't ever think about getting paid.

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<v Speaker 4>But if you negotiate from the beginning and get what

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<v Speaker 4>you feel is comfortable and they agree to it. You'll

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<v Speaker 4>be said, I should have played at your father. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>what wasn't no free baby do that?

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<v Speaker 1>This church we do that. I got a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>slave labor out of me.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, So I mean after I was doing all

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<v Speaker 4>that stuff for schoolmates and stuff like that, I never

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<v Speaker 4>forget my homeboy, Romeo Rondell. Here's a big barber in

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<v Speaker 4>the city. But he also had a label, and man,

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<v Speaker 4>he started buying all my beats, all of them.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called barber shop records. Start buying records. I get it.

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<v Speaker 4>Shout out to Romeo round now, Like he was the

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<v Speaker 4>first one that was.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, yo, man, you gonna make it.

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<v Speaker 4>He was like, your your music is musical. It's not

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<v Speaker 4>the regular stuff that's going on out here. He's like, man,

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<v Speaker 4>you're putting music in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like what year is this? This is.

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<v Speaker 4>I graduated in two thousand and one, so this is nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Who you in middle school? School?

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<v Speaker 2>High school? All your yeah, buying beats? Are you making?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm making him at Katewalk at this time?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>So then what ends up happening again? Another when your

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<v Speaker 4>father plants seeds and do well with people.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a cat named don Juan. He's a big producer.

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<v Speaker 4>He did all Tech nine stuff, like he still do

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of people's a lot of Western as well.

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<v Speaker 4>So don Juan, my daddy put him on as a

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<v Speaker 4>drummer when he was younger, and he used to travel

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<v Speaker 4>with my father Sore was like intertwined family and everything.

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<v Speaker 4>So he was one of my favorite people, like who

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<v Speaker 4>I used to try to be, like playing drums and stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>So middle school, I asked one his cousin, I'm like, yo, Where'sdwan.

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<v Speaker 4>He was like, yo, bro, that's don Juan. Like he's

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<v Speaker 4>working with QD three Quincy Jones.

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<v Speaker 2>Tech nine is his artist. I'm like, what he making beats?

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<v Speaker 2>So he gives me his number. I call him.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, Dwan is this little Ronnie? He was like

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<v Speaker 4>big Ronnie Son like little little Ronnie. I was like yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, man, I'm making beats. And then he

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<v Speaker 1>just like got silent, and I.

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<v Speaker 4>Was like, what's wrong. He was like, Nigga, I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>put it two and two together. I've been hearing your

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<v Speaker 4>name around the city and I just didn't put it together.

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<v Speaker 4>He was like, tell your daddy brings you out to

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<v Speaker 4>my house right now, right now, right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was in the suburbs. He was making making money.

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<v Speaker 4>That bad Take nine, he's killing fifty seventh Street road dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>Go out to his crib studios and home studio.

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<v Speaker 4>Incredible MPC, three thousands, tritons, trinities, dat machines, everything you

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<v Speaker 4>can imagine, right And he looked at me his like, Yo,

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<v Speaker 4>Pops did wonders for my life. I'm gonna help you

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<v Speaker 4>out do the same thing. This is what you need

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<v Speaker 4>to do. I'm give you all my sounds to my MPC.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna have.

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<v Speaker 4>All the you know, that's a big thing starting out

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<v Speaker 4>as a producer, trying to use trying to use the

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<v Speaker 4>the trit and drums or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate it.

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<v Speaker 3>Sound bro gave me. He was like, you have to

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<v Speaker 3>pay for those sounds. The people were selling sound packs.

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<v Speaker 3>No it was it was crazy. So he basically gave

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<v Speaker 3>me the blueprint. He's like, get you a trite and

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<v Speaker 3>get you this, get you that. And then I was like, yo,

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<v Speaker 3>this shit is spensive. So I had to get a job.

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<v Speaker 4>I worked at white Castle's churches.

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<v Speaker 1>Chicken they was all at one was a.

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<v Speaker 4>Lifeguard and that was the difference too, Like all your

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<v Speaker 4>friends be like, bro, why are you why are you working?

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, man, how I'm supposed to pay for this equipment?

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<v Speaker 4>So just start hustling.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's where the hustle starts, right, And that's where

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<v Speaker 3>you identify whether you're serious about this ship or not,

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<v Speaker 3>whether you really got passion for what you're willing to do.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying in terms of doing what

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<v Speaker 3>you have to do to get to what you want

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<v Speaker 3>to do, right.

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<v Speaker 4>I tell producers all the time how easy they have

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<v Speaker 4>it right now, like that you can just.

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<v Speaker 1>Go get some drums off of a website, like you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have so accessible.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't have to hook no many time piece up

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<v Speaker 4>to your MPC and started with your triton and try

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<v Speaker 4>to figure out it's insane.

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<v Speaker 3>I bought a music store was going out of business

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<v Speaker 3>and was selling like all of their CDs for like

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<v Speaker 3>on like fifty cent or something like that. I bought

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<v Speaker 3>like four moving boxes of CDs from them, and I

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<v Speaker 3>would just have sampling days all day.

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<v Speaker 1>I would just sample from no CDs.

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<v Speaker 2>Trying to find an open spot for that that snare

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<v Speaker 2>or just or just a sound or just an eight

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<v Speaker 2>bar thing that nobody had ever heard before.

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<v Speaker 1>Like just getting that, trying to get that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not on the mouse and dragging it and dropping

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<v Speaker 3>it in and it just automatically sinks up formats to

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<v Speaker 3>the to the tempo.

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<v Speaker 1>What came from a different day. It's crazy, super crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>You couldn't just put it in another key, yeah, because you.

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<v Speaker 1>Felt like you know what I was talking about.

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<v Speaker 4>To one of my interns, I was like, bro, y'all,

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<v Speaker 4>y'all got YouTube, y'all can look something up and someone

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<v Speaker 4>else will tell you how to.

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<v Speaker 1>We had to open up the manual and read all

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<v Speaker 1>the words. We didn't even know.

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<v Speaker 2>What they meant or know somebody and go to their

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<v Speaker 2>house and sup with them for a week. But but

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<v Speaker 2>the older guy that'll be irritated if you're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>call them, like he's like, hey, bro, read the book.

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<v Speaker 1>First, like that, that's on like the first two pages.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm talking my daughter the other day because we're just

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<v Speaker 3>talking about like just things that she wants to do,

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<v Speaker 3>like on social media, and I said, you are so

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<v Speaker 3>blessed to live in an age. First of all, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>happy that you're asking these questions. I'm saying, you want

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<v Speaker 3>the information. I was like, unfortunately, some of this information

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have. I said, but guess what, there are tutorials,

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<v Speaker 3>thousands of tutory on how to do anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you kidding me? Yeah, it's crazy. I say.

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<v Speaker 3>You are young, you are still absorbing. Search out the

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<v Speaker 3>information you want and download that information. Yeah, I wish,

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<v Speaker 3>I wish we have, man.

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<v Speaker 1>What that's how our pers were talking to us.

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<v Speaker 2>If y'all had right now, this is the truth though,

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<v Speaker 2>it is it is if I could take this information.

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<v Speaker 1>Back then the twenty four year old me, it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>Or if I could bring the twenty four year old

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<v Speaker 3>me with that talent and that drive and that space

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<v Speaker 3>to this space right now, I was a maniac.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, it's super crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>So after don Jan gave me the game, then it's

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<v Speaker 4>just like I think, while me and Jay became like brothers,

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<v Speaker 4>because like Kansas City and the Bay are like intertwined.

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<v Speaker 4>For sure, It's it's crazy, like the city is a

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<v Speaker 4>West Coast mob beat tight, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 4>So what ended up happening like Young Mouth of be

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<v Speaker 4>over my house, Mac dre oh bro I had like

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<v Speaker 4>Pops had to come to me one day, it's like niggas.

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<v Speaker 4>You selling drugs like these niggas coming in with all

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<v Speaker 4>the gold teeth and slanging beats.

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<v Speaker 3>You get your jobs right, you get your money together right. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>what equipment did you buy?

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<v Speaker 4>MPC three thousand was my second purchase. First purchase was

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<v Speaker 4>the Triton. Did you did you try to learn the

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<v Speaker 4>sequence on the tripe? Had to had to. My setup

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<v Speaker 4>was sequence in the Triton and basically have it control

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<v Speaker 4>the MPC trigger, so when I pushed start on my Triton,

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<v Speaker 4>it'll triggered up my drums.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you just have to have a little for

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<v Speaker 1>the eight bar loop on the drum, and like you

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<v Speaker 1>set up you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, then you you elevate this a little bit more money,

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<v Speaker 4>get that Proteus two thousand and more.

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<v Speaker 2>Fat, but you just got the regular stock. Yet you

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<v Speaker 2>can't afford them.

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<v Speaker 3>We used to kill me as you start talking about

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<v Speaker 3>those modules. When I first met Timberland, I understood why

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<v Speaker 3>he was well. I mean, of course his brain works different,

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<v Speaker 3>but I also understood the other advantage he had over

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<v Speaker 3>all of us.

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<v Speaker 4>He got everything first unlimited.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know this was a until I would buy

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<v Speaker 1>a rack.

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<v Speaker 3>That came out maybe two years later that Timberland had

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<v Speaker 3>already used the sounds.

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<v Speaker 1>You used all the good sounds already. It already used

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<v Speaker 1>the good sounds.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, man, I wasted money. It's like two sounds

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<v Speaker 3>in here. But you got the racks going and so

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<v Speaker 3>and so when it okay, he gave you the game.

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<v Speaker 3>You were already selling fifty dollars beats. When do you

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<v Speaker 3>get to that next level where these guys are coming over,

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<v Speaker 3>because the guys you're naming our guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they the five hundred dollars level. They give you

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<v Speaker 1>that five hundred How did you get there? Though? How

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<v Speaker 1>did they know? How did they hear about you? Just

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<v Speaker 1>basically through the connections.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, been in the city because you know, you got

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<v Speaker 2>a small city. So all the rappers start and all

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<v Speaker 2>the rappers from the Bay they go to Kansas City

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<v Speaker 2>to perform.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a huge market for Bay Area artists.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you got a record that's breaking in the Bay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's breaking in Kansas City.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a.

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<v Speaker 2>Sister city in Kansas City and Detroit. Me from the Bay,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying, Like Eve forty two short

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<v Speaker 2>be legit every saying Quinn, all of these artists that

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<v Speaker 2>were huge in the Bay and were staples there.

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<v Speaker 4>Kansas City was an immediate.

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<v Speaker 5>Go to, okay, like.

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<v Speaker 4>You had to go there because our two big rappers

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<v Speaker 4>at the time was Tech nine and Risk the Factor.

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<v Speaker 1>So they were like everywhere, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>And they do shows together they like it really is

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<v Speaker 2>they sister cities for the most point, I mean for

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<v Speaker 2>the most part.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so it got it got jumping pretty fast.

0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:09.120
<v Speaker 2>But like they had money, so it wouldn't they would

0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:13.680
<v Speaker 2>come by one beat, They'll come by ten at a time.

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<v Speaker 4>Because at that independent game, they told you at this point,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell them five dollars beats. I'm rich.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you in the bundle as a bundle too though,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm rich ten of them, so five thousand, sixteen, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>killing them.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, he was cooking. I'm rich. They can't tell

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<v Speaker 1>me nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>What was your first outside music purchase? J was getting

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<v Speaker 2>to ask you to beat them to.

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<v Speaker 4>It because you ain't got no rent, no, And I was.

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<v Speaker 4>I was scared because because Pops was like, okay, if

0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:52.800
<v Speaker 4>you ain't selling drugs, like how much money you making?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>So I got scared I'm like, man, this nigga ba.

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<v Speaker 2>Take my money tation Yeah, And he was like, nah,

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<v Speaker 2>just show it to me. So I showed him like

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<v Speaker 2>ten fifteen thousand, and he was like, man, I'm proud

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<v Speaker 2>of you.

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<v Speaker 1>I ain't gonna ask you for the rank. I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to be here safe. You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like keep on going. It's like, as long as

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<v Speaker 4>you're getting your money support.

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<v Speaker 2>Who would you buy bro more No outside outside of

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<v Speaker 2>you bought nothing outside of music.

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<v Speaker 1>No, because Kansas City is dangerous.

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<v Speaker 4>I could Yeah, it is what you about to do, right,

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<v Speaker 4>Like no, I would just buy more equipment than you

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<v Speaker 4>got digit double O one And that was like that

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<v Speaker 4>that that till Macintosh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fat back, which fa back? What I'm saying with that,

0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:41.960
<v Speaker 1>did you double one? Did you get the inbox two?

0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:44.359
<v Speaker 1>You got the inbox pro to inbox? Wasn't it was?

0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:45.320
<v Speaker 5>It was?

0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:48.280
<v Speaker 1>It was digit double? What it was? That was like

0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 1>the first two channel you know, you had your mic

0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:53.240
<v Speaker 1>do it and everything.

0:25:54.000 --> 0:25:57.120
<v Speaker 4>Then I started the studio business. It's fifty dollars an hour.

0:25:58.359 --> 0:25:59.520
<v Speaker 4>Where was it at the house?

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<v Speaker 1>So you were you was you was engineering the whole thing, man,

0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:08.800
<v Speaker 1>mac dre all of them in there. I'm engineering and

0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:10.120
<v Speaker 1>probably just letting you do your thing.

0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:14.520
<v Speaker 4>It was a musical house, so it was always loud music.

0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so rap music different. It's different and the element

0:26:18.760 --> 0:26:19.199
<v Speaker 2>is different.

0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:21.240
<v Speaker 1>But when popsy, you're making money.

0:26:21.160 --> 0:26:23.520
<v Speaker 4>Money that's coming in, make it to get to it.

0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:26.760
<v Speaker 4>I'd rather you be here in my house and I'm

0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:29.480
<v Speaker 4>making sure everybody good, you know what I mean.

0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:31.479
<v Speaker 1>Then you be going to their studio, have them come

0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:31.920
<v Speaker 1>to the house.

0:26:33.160 --> 0:26:37.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And where are y'all living in Kan City suburbs?

0:26:37.720 --> 0:26:38.120
<v Speaker 1>In the hood.

0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:40.720
<v Speaker 4>Wasn't no suburbs. We didn't get out of suburbs. So

0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:41.640
<v Speaker 4>I started making some money.

0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:43.040
<v Speaker 1>Where's in the hood?

0:26:44.359 --> 0:26:50.280
<v Speaker 4>Straight up? Niggas was pulling up that they need that.

0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:54.000
<v Speaker 1>That's crazy. Need that heatga, that's crazy.

0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:58.679
<v Speaker 2>So you're doing all this middle Kansas City in the

0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:09.119
<v Speaker 2>hood sixteen seventeen. Yeah, Are you already focused on getting

0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:11.760
<v Speaker 2>out of KC and kind of going to the big

0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:17.879
<v Speaker 2>leagues onto some LA Miami, New York, Atlanta play yet?

0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:20.160
<v Speaker 2>Or are you still just like, you know what, I'm

0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:23.800
<v Speaker 2>getting money in KC. I'm not focused on that. Yeah,

0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:24.199
<v Speaker 2>I was.

0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:26.360
<v Speaker 4>You always have that in your head, but you don't

0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:31.080
<v Speaker 4>have to know how and you don't have the connections

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:31.680
<v Speaker 4>just yet.

0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:33.560
<v Speaker 1>So it's like, if I keep.

0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:36.280
<v Speaker 4>On building up, niggas go hear about me, you know

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:39.160
<v Speaker 4>what I mean. So I kept on building, kept on building.

0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:42.879
<v Speaker 4>And then when you build yourself up in your city,

0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:46.280
<v Speaker 4>you start getting favor from people, you know what I mean,

0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:48.480
<v Speaker 4>the security guards.

0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:51.600
<v Speaker 1>You can get backstage. Oh that's a little Ronnie.

0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:55.240
<v Speaker 4>Then that started giving me opportunity to meet the celebrities

0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:58.399
<v Speaker 4>when they would come in. And then I had the

0:27:58.440 --> 0:28:03.280
<v Speaker 4>advantage of having cousins that were signed to R. Kelly, Oh, Keith,

0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:09.000
<v Speaker 4>because Keith Forrell, you got Marlin, you got Bishop Young down,

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:13.200
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean, Ernest Dixon, you know, so

0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:17.560
<v Speaker 4>they had already had that experience, but then they were

0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:21.920
<v Speaker 4>back in the city, like you got to understand Bishop

0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:23.960
<v Speaker 4>Ernest Dixon wrote.

0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Stutter yeah, you know.

0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:28.959
<v Speaker 4>For Joe, yeah, he wrote, liar, You're a cheater, you

0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:29.560
<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying.

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:33.080
<v Speaker 1>So it was like bro Idea.

0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:35.240
<v Speaker 4>When he would pull up, he had that. That's when

0:28:35.280 --> 0:28:39.880
<v Speaker 4>the navigator first came out. You spent that one hundred thousand.

0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:40.640
<v Speaker 4>I'm doing this.

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:47.040
<v Speaker 1>He rich for real. So you had that right and

0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:47.880
<v Speaker 1>they will.

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:50.080
<v Speaker 4>Always come over, you know, what I'm saying, and we

0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:52.800
<v Speaker 4>would make music and do different stuff.

0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:58.880
<v Speaker 1>And what's crazy is they were R. Kelly fanatics. I

0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:01.360
<v Speaker 1>didn't even like R. Kelly his music then.

0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:03.680
<v Speaker 4>I mean I didn't get it, you know what I'm saying.

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:06.680
<v Speaker 4>I was like, bro, he all right, how are you

0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:08.320
<v Speaker 4>six things?

0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:13.240
<v Speaker 2>And I really didn't listen to secular music like that,

0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:16.160
<v Speaker 2>not because my parents were strict and said you couldn't

0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:18.280
<v Speaker 2>listen to it. The guy had to rehearse, so I

0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:22.000
<v Speaker 2>would just be listening to gospel music or playing jazz

0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:25.400
<v Speaker 2>or playing classical. So we're in the same place, yuh,

0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:29.360
<v Speaker 2>except he was doing music for the Bay Area rappers to.

0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 1>That, right. I mean he had that element. But I

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 1>know why he didn't get R.

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:37.120
<v Speaker 3>Kelly at first because he was still a purist as

0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:39.680
<v Speaker 3>a musician, you know what I'm saying. And he was

0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:41.720
<v Speaker 3>still very much in that element. So when I first

0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:44.360
<v Speaker 3>heard Kelly, I was like, this is dude's singing flat,

0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:47.520
<v Speaker 3>sure's all over the place. What is this like?

0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:48.200
<v Speaker 1>It didn't.

0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:52.240
<v Speaker 3>I didn't catch it at first, and then one day

0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:58.360
<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh, he's awesome.

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's that guy.

0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:02.600
<v Speaker 4>He's that guy.

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:04.000
<v Speaker 1>And I used to.

0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 4>Listen to a lot of unreleased records because they would

0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:11.880
<v Speaker 4>have you you know what I mean, Like, man, it

0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:14.640
<v Speaker 4>was a version of I Believe I Can Fly that

0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:17.800
<v Speaker 4>I don't even think people have ever heard like it

0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:21.520
<v Speaker 4>just went to ten different places and was like a

0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:26.440
<v Speaker 4>full story. So with them having that experience, you know

0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:28.480
<v Speaker 4>what I mean, they would come in and write with me.

0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:32.040
<v Speaker 4>So with me and everything they had got out they

0:30:32.080 --> 0:30:35.200
<v Speaker 4>deal with R. Kelly, they were back home. Then that's

0:30:35.200 --> 0:30:40.520
<v Speaker 4>when the opportunity came with Jermaine Duprix, So basically JD.

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:42.960
<v Speaker 1>We ended up getting backstage. It was a screen tour

0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:46.720
<v Speaker 1>and my cousins they sung for JD.

0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:51.080
<v Speaker 2>JD was like, Yo, niggas called the niggas called talent.

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, talent niggas called you know they on the what

0:30:54.760 --> 0:30:58.560
<v Speaker 1>the tupacs on. That's just the way it is. That's talent.

0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:01.880
<v Speaker 4>And Jermaine was in between his deals at the time.

0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:04.680
<v Speaker 4>He had just left Sony and then he ended up

0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:08.280
<v Speaker 4>getting this deal at Aristo right with La, So he

0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:10.120
<v Speaker 4>was like, man, it's my word.

0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Once I get my next deal, I'm gonna come back

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 1>and rock with y'all.

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 2>And he was like, and we forgot the shout out

0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:21.960
<v Speaker 2>earl Oh we forgot Yes, yeah, to me, he was

0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:24.840
<v Speaker 2>he was the jojo of their group. Absolutely, he was

0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:27.160
<v Speaker 2>the jojo of their group in my opinion. So yeah,

0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:28.680
<v Speaker 2>I got guy too.

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:32.520
<v Speaker 4>So we go through that whole situation and Jermaine actually

0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:35.280
<v Speaker 4>comes back and he was like, who's doing all your music?

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:39.840
<v Speaker 2>It's like our cousin and that that's what put put

0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:43.640
<v Speaker 2>me on to that next level. Now, when I got

0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:48.400
<v Speaker 2>on that website as a social dead producer went up

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:49.680
<v Speaker 2>that that's what happened.

0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:50.480
<v Speaker 4>That's what happened.

0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so they added your name to the production crew

0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:53.719
<v Speaker 1>they had.

0:31:55.080 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 4>So now I'm in Kansas City, Yes, signed to So

0:31:58.800 --> 0:32:01.040
<v Speaker 4>So Dead. Yeah you want be so Death?

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:02.240
<v Speaker 1>You walking around different?

0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:05.360
<v Speaker 4>Oh it's different you walking around You still an eighteen

0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:09.600
<v Speaker 4>year No, I love it.

0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:11.120
<v Speaker 1>Shout out to my man Chuck.

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:14.680
<v Speaker 4>Two for five Yeah, you know yeah, two for five,

0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:18.000
<v Speaker 4>two for five, it was it was yeah, it was

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:23.560
<v Speaker 4>two pictures for five dollars. I'm telling you, man, you

0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:24.680
<v Speaker 4>gotta learn how to hustle.

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 1>You gonna be all right, You're gonna be all right. Yeah.

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:33.240
<v Speaker 4>So it was like, man, my family had did so

0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:35.800
<v Speaker 4>many solids for a lot of people. Like when I

0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:39.320
<v Speaker 4>was coming up. Everybody just wanted to help and support,

0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:43.320
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean. So that's the that's the

0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:44.520
<v Speaker 4>Karnas City, just man.

0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:48.880
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, so let's get me whereas Jay's trying to

0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:52.680
<v Speaker 3>get to how do you get out of Kansas? What

0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:55.200
<v Speaker 3>is that move? Is there is there a record or

0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 3>some success that prompts you to make that move or

0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:03.840
<v Speaker 3>is it just like I'm feeling like I need to

0:33:03.840 --> 0:33:05.800
<v Speaker 3>be in a space where bigger things are happening.

0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:08.760
<v Speaker 4>No, that that move came naturally. But once we got

0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:11.360
<v Speaker 4>the deal with JD, it was like, oh, we got

0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:13.960
<v Speaker 4>to figure out you know, Atlanta.

0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:15.840
<v Speaker 1>It was more or less. So you went to Atlanta

0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:17.920
<v Speaker 1>first before you came to La. Yeah.

0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:20.520
<v Speaker 4>Remember I had already bought a house here.

0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, you did have your spoty.

0:33:23.080 --> 0:33:25.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I had a house even before I came out

0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:25.960
<v Speaker 4>to La.

0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:30.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, My first house was like two hundred and fifty thousand.

0:33:30.560 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 3>You know, I remember when houses was that. I remember

0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:39.400
<v Speaker 3>because Karen and Jimmy, you know, when they was playing

0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 3>with the Falcons, they both they both had those houses.

0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:43.120
<v Speaker 2>I was like, man, I want you believe in these houses. Yeah,

0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:44.760
<v Speaker 2>this was like two somethings and it.

0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:48.360
<v Speaker 4>Was like what Yeah what Yeah, yeah.

0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Like four thousand square for the houses. I was saying,

0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:53.280
<v Speaker 1>what is what? It's crazy?

0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:57.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so this is part of that. Now you're trying

0:33:57.280 --> 0:34:01.200
<v Speaker 4>to figure out how to move, move and beat down

0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:04.840
<v Speaker 4>where because now you have access absolutely. And that's how

0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:07.680
<v Speaker 4>me and Bao became so close because we was the youngest.

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:10.400
<v Speaker 4>Niggas said so so deaf, you know what I'm saying.

0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:12.880
<v Speaker 4>And he'll be in there mad JD in there with

0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:15.759
<v Speaker 4>Usher and Mariah and he's like, man, nigga won't give

0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:18.840
<v Speaker 4>me no beats. I'm trying to write my own songs.

0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:22.440
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, bro, I make beats. He like, you got

0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:26.840
<v Speaker 4>studio too? Yeah, then we got to it. So that

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:28.359
<v Speaker 4>was the So what was your studio when you got

0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:30.000
<v Speaker 4>you got when you got to Atlanta? It was in

0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:33.000
<v Speaker 4>my house. In the house, I had a nice bread

0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:38.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah I remember, it's nice. Got the studio, I already

0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:39.360
<v Speaker 4>got all my equipment.

0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:41.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah you know what I mean. So now it's just

0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:44.279
<v Speaker 3>a beautiful beat maker, engineer song.

0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Right, let's go.

0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:48.440
<v Speaker 2>So how much time do you spend in Atlanta before

0:34:48.440 --> 0:34:51.320
<v Speaker 2>you come to l A Atlanta?

0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:56.799
<v Speaker 4>It was just working, having having a place and the

0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:00.680
<v Speaker 4>connection again Damon. Tomman comes in the picture because he

0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:02.520
<v Speaker 4>knows my cousins right.

0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:07.040
<v Speaker 2>Because he they were they were with Damon before they

0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:08.000
<v Speaker 2>were with R Kelly.

0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Correct.

0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:11.360
<v Speaker 2>So that story is, you know, I was at the

0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:13.480
<v Speaker 2>house today they dated car service came.

0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:16.040
<v Speaker 1>I was there, So you go tell the story.

0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:19.720
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna let you.

0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:21.799
<v Speaker 1>You jump in. Yeah, yeah, it was great, was great.

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:26.200
<v Speaker 4>There was a battle between signing with Babyface or signing

0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:26.960
<v Speaker 4>with R Kelly.

0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:32.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, somehow R Kelly wins. A car pulls up in.

0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:35.480
<v Speaker 1>The middle of the middle of the night, in the

0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:39.160
<v Speaker 1>middle of the night. I woke up. The niggas was

0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:40.839
<v Speaker 1>gone because we're all there.

0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:43.680
<v Speaker 2>We are studio house. It's a whole niggas boys club

0:35:43.719 --> 0:35:46.000
<v Speaker 2>that we when when working.

0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 4>This is ninety.

0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:52.719
<v Speaker 1>Something like that. Yeah.

0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:55.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this had been the second time in La at

0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:56.319
<v Speaker 4>Damon's house.

0:35:56.480 --> 0:35:59.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they about to sign, They about to sign

0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:03.880
<v Speaker 2>with Babyface, and you know it's deal is done.

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:09.040
<v Speaker 1>It was done. But them is my niggas.

0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:13.200
<v Speaker 2>We didn't created our own friendship bond as brothers.

0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:17.160
<v Speaker 1>Niggas like nig KALs doll.

0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:20.759
<v Speaker 4>You know, Nigga Country can't see nigga.

0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:25.719
<v Speaker 2>The nigga kells dog kill I'm like, y'all really about

0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:27.759
<v Speaker 2>to just y'all about to go to Chicago. Y'all out

0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:34.880
<v Speaker 2>like man, that car cup Nigga we count I'm like, nigga,

0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:38.719
<v Speaker 2>y'all about this pretty much signed tomorrow, Like y'all pretty

0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:40.799
<v Speaker 2>much about to sign y'all deal tomorrow. Y'all have met

0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:44.480
<v Speaker 2>with baby Face. Baby Face love y'all. It's a rap nigga.

0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:52.480
<v Speaker 2>He about to he ain't or killy nigga. You know,

0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:02.080
<v Speaker 2>they was gone, car came. Nigg I woke up, I

0:37:02.160 --> 0:37:04.680
<v Speaker 2>probably you know, I rise early, Nigga. I'm up early,

0:37:04.960 --> 0:37:07.279
<v Speaker 2>no matter what time I go to sleep. By the

0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:11.040
<v Speaker 2>time I woke up cracking dawn, them niggas was out.

0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:16.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking around. I'm like, and I already know what's up. Nigga.

0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:18.920
<v Speaker 4>Damon, He's like, nigga, who the boys asking?

0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:24.200
<v Speaker 1>They gone bro out cold.

0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:28.840
<v Speaker 4>So there was probably on a six a m to Chicago.

0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:32.360
<v Speaker 1>Left left at fall, left to get there two hours before.

0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they gone, they gone. Next time I talked to him,

0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:39.280
<v Speaker 2>they called me. They did in Chicago, laughing.

0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:40.800
<v Speaker 4>We just hooped, Nigga.

0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:46.960
<v Speaker 1>We just finished rub Nigga gone gone. So that's the

0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:49.280
<v Speaker 1>that's the connection. From from Damon.

0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:54.840
<v Speaker 4>So you know, they like, oh little Ronnie, he popping

0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:56.759
<v Speaker 4>in the city like it's going down.

0:37:57.000 --> 0:37:57.160
<v Speaker 5>Ye know.

0:37:58.040 --> 0:37:59.879
<v Speaker 1>He was so so deaf, blah blah blah.

0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:06.480
<v Speaker 4>Damon calls me and he like talking shit, Damon, Man,

0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:08.920
<v Speaker 4>how you go be from the hometown in Kancity and

0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:10.360
<v Speaker 4>you're supposed to be the hottest nigga.

0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Nigga, I'm the hottest nigga. I'm from Kansas City. He like,

0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:17.839
<v Speaker 1>you need to be down here with me, nigga. I'm like, bro,

0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:20.160
<v Speaker 1>what you be be down there with you? He was like,

0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:23.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, bro, I'm with j D. Look at the charts.

0:38:25.840 --> 0:38:26.759
<v Speaker 1>You need to be down here.

0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:29.960
<v Speaker 2>I was like, all right, man, I'll fly down there.

0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:33.480
<v Speaker 2>So I end up flying down there. Nigga didn't come back.

0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:35.120
<v Speaker 1>You just didn't come back.

0:38:35.480 --> 0:38:37.399
<v Speaker 4>Well, I had a house here, you know what I mean.

0:38:38.040 --> 0:38:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It was just like once you got there, you

0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:40.920
<v Speaker 1>was like, okay.

0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:46.279
<v Speaker 4>It was a different experience, man. It was like, and

0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:48.680
<v Speaker 4>this is how I met Ja, Like my first day

0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:51.520
<v Speaker 4>up there. Jade the youngest nigga there.

0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:52.799
<v Speaker 1>Right, I'm his.

0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:55.759
<v Speaker 4>Little country nigga for Kansas City. I'm coming in and

0:38:55.960 --> 0:38:58.920
<v Speaker 4>Damon immediately says Jay I need you to.

0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:00.439
<v Speaker 1>Take care of him. Yeah.

0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:03.600
<v Speaker 2>So from then, you know, we fire heat from the

0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:06.719
<v Speaker 2>bab I'm like, nigga, everybody be at my house, all

0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:09.120
<v Speaker 2>the niggas. I'm like, oh, man, that's the homie, that's

0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:10.400
<v Speaker 2>the homie, that's my cousin.

0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:12.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:16.520
<v Speaker 2>So it's like we instantly became and then I also

0:39:16.640 --> 0:39:20.600
<v Speaker 2>knew the group that's his actual cousins, so we just

0:39:20.719 --> 0:39:22.520
<v Speaker 2>had an immediate bond.

0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:26.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, so it just kind of it kind of

0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:27.120
<v Speaker 1>went from there.

0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:29.120
<v Speaker 2>Is that when I met him or was that after

0:39:29.640 --> 0:39:31.200
<v Speaker 2>now you met you met him around the same time

0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:33.600
<v Speaker 2>to the same time, Yeah, right, the same time.

0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:38.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, that's what man. That that building was amazing.

0:39:38.880 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 4>It was amazing.

0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:41.480
<v Speaker 1>It's amazing. Listen.

0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:44.719
<v Speaker 4>I remember going there because I was making money but

0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:48.600
<v Speaker 4>I hadn't had any major hits yet, right, And I

0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:51.799
<v Speaker 4>was just in there talking to Tony one day, Tony Dixon, man,

0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:54.680
<v Speaker 4>and I was just looking at his plaques and looking

0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:57.200
<v Speaker 4>at everybody stuff, and I was like, bro, I just

0:39:57.280 --> 0:39:57.840
<v Speaker 4>want a plack.

0:39:58.800 --> 0:39:59.640
<v Speaker 1>I just need one.

0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:03.480
<v Speaker 4>And I'm telling you, if I get one, I know

0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:04.120
<v Speaker 4>how to make it.

0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:04.960
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying.

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:07.360
<v Speaker 4>I'm a multiplied I know how to do it, and

0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:10.320
<v Speaker 4>Tony looked at me and started laughing. He was like,

0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:15.960
<v Speaker 4>be more concerned with the business. Your plaques are gonna come.

0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:17.960
<v Speaker 4>Take care of your business.

0:40:19.040 --> 0:40:20.759
<v Speaker 1>And that stuck with me.

0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:25.960
<v Speaker 4>Wow, like all this them plaques, Nigga. You can have

0:40:26.040 --> 0:40:28.560
<v Speaker 4>a plaquea and no money. You can have a lot

0:40:28.600 --> 0:40:29.560
<v Speaker 4>of plaquesa no money, a.

0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Lot of plaques and no money.

0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:33.879
<v Speaker 4>But if you take care of your business, you will

0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:37.520
<v Speaker 4>survive longer than anybody. And that's that's really been my model.

0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:40.279
<v Speaker 4>I ain't never even told Tony that, Like, that's been

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:41.200
<v Speaker 4>my whole model.

0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Yeah, you have to watch your business man.

0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:49.200
<v Speaker 2>I tell people every day I'm not in the music,

0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:52.080
<v Speaker 2>and that's what got him kicked out watching this business.

0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:52.399
<v Speaker 1>Watch.

0:40:54.360 --> 0:40:57.160
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, let's let's let's let's let's move along to.

0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:01.840
<v Speaker 2>Because when you've got there, because here there are to

0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:02.920
<v Speaker 2>be money podcasts.

0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:04.040
<v Speaker 5>We like to give.

0:41:05.560 --> 0:41:07.200
<v Speaker 1>The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

0:41:07.239 --> 0:41:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely so helped me.

0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:12.880
<v Speaker 2>So help God God, because I can, I can, I

0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:17.040
<v Speaker 2>can attest for this. You showed up with Sorry two

0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:17.759
<v Speaker 2>thousand and four.

0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:19.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fully done.

0:41:20.280 --> 0:41:24.560
<v Speaker 2>I remember this because I was like, that record is crazy,

0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:31.759
<v Speaker 2>this little because that Nigga had that record. And that's

0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:35.120
<v Speaker 2>what Damon was like, Nigga, you gotta hear this record.

0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:41.080
<v Speaker 1>He got Nigga pushed player. I said, man, what the fuck?

0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Who wrote that? Eric Dawkins, Tony Dixon, He had the

0:41:48.640 --> 0:41:51.440
<v Speaker 1>whole the whole crew. Yeah, the whole crew. I had.

0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:53.680
<v Speaker 2>The beat was made. Had the beat made? Yeah, so

0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:56.680
<v Speaker 2>not that I'm sorry, Yeah, the beat of it was.

0:41:57.600 --> 0:41:59.640
<v Speaker 2>And then the guys got to it and did that

0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:02.640
<v Speaker 2>ship to it because you noticed that didn't sound like

0:42:02.680 --> 0:42:06.240
<v Speaker 2>an underdog record. It's a little bit, a little bit different.

0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:12.400
<v Speaker 1>It became it was a shift. It was a shift.

0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:17.080
<v Speaker 3>It became the sonic though, it became part of the sonic,

0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:19.800
<v Speaker 3>you know what I'm saying, Like, wherever you brought to it,

0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:23.840
<v Speaker 3>it was now, okay, we're gonna move forward with this,

0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:25.279
<v Speaker 3>just saying with.

0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Just saying, but that's also that's also smart business for.

0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:36.800
<v Speaker 2>The team itself, for the underdogs themselves and ourselves to

0:42:37.200 --> 0:42:41.080
<v Speaker 2>being able to adjust and you know too, where music

0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:44.799
<v Speaker 2>was going. And it took yeah, and it took an

0:42:44.840 --> 0:42:47.919
<v Speaker 2>eighteen nineteen year old to come in there who really

0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:50.120
<v Speaker 2>didn't know. Yeah, you didn't know.

0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:54.080
<v Speaker 4>You gotta be got some music making beats in the hood.

0:42:55.120 --> 0:42:58.080
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying, but it and damon being

0:42:58.120 --> 0:43:04.120
<v Speaker 2>able to identify sonically day man, Harvey, Damon identifying you,

0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:07.719
<v Speaker 2>Harvey identifying the sonic of it, and like you said,

0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:12.280
<v Speaker 2>that turning into a shift into how the building sounded

0:43:12.719 --> 0:43:16.080
<v Speaker 2>after that, because it definitely was. It definitely was a shift.

0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:23.160
<v Speaker 2>There was a shift that happened. It's crazy, said, it's crazy.

0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:33.720
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy. Give us that process, give us that process.

0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:37.040
<v Speaker 2>You come in there, you got this track, and now

0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:41.040
<v Speaker 2>these songwriters that you've heard their songs, you heard, you know,

0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:44.040
<v Speaker 2>things that they've been doing. These producers, they hear this song,

0:43:44.080 --> 0:43:46.480
<v Speaker 2>and now everybody wants to help you finish this.

0:43:48.640 --> 0:43:53.560
<v Speaker 4>This was the most amazing experience I had ever had

0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:57.200
<v Speaker 4>because you're just not used to seeing people work together,

0:43:57.880 --> 0:44:00.920
<v Speaker 4>like bounce off each other, you know what I mean.

0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:04.759
<v Speaker 1>You got Eric Dawkins and you're from the church too,

0:44:04.880 --> 0:44:09.400
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, this need to know some monster in the building.

0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:14.040
<v Speaker 1>I was like, monster, bro, you you write R and

0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:16.680
<v Speaker 1>B two. I didn't know.

0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:19.239
<v Speaker 4>I knew who he was, but I didn't know the

0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:24.799
<v Speaker 4>position he played. And seeing everybody and what was cool? Right,

0:44:27.719 --> 0:44:32.279
<v Speaker 4>everybody in there were basically hybrids could write songs and

0:44:32.480 --> 0:44:38.520
<v Speaker 4>make beats everybody. Everybody had their niggas could really finish

0:44:39.120 --> 0:44:40.400
<v Speaker 4>the songs by themselves.

0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:41.799
<v Speaker 1>But it was this thing.

0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:45.759
<v Speaker 4>You walked past somebody's room and you heard that, and

0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:48.840
<v Speaker 4>then all of a sudden, the group was just everybody migrate,

0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:49.680
<v Speaker 4>migrate to.

0:44:49.760 --> 0:44:53.759
<v Speaker 1>The room like this one. This one was yeah, yeah,

0:44:54.920 --> 0:44:55.840
<v Speaker 1>pull up some bells.

0:44:56.440 --> 0:44:56.640
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

0:44:57.160 --> 0:45:00.200
<v Speaker 1>Like it was like the craziest collaboration was.

0:45:00.400 --> 0:45:02.719
<v Speaker 4>It was so cool, bro it was the coolest thing

0:45:02.760 --> 0:45:05.560
<v Speaker 4>I had ever seen because you're just not used to

0:45:05.600 --> 0:45:09.520
<v Speaker 4>seeing people collaborate like that. And everybody had they had

0:45:09.560 --> 0:45:12.160
<v Speaker 4>their positions, you know what I mean. So I was

0:45:12.320 --> 0:45:16.320
<v Speaker 4>just like, brodymon gave me, gave me a room. I'm like,

0:45:16.440 --> 0:45:20.080
<v Speaker 4>oh my underg it's all. And then just to see

0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:22.239
<v Speaker 4>the star power that was going through there.

0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:25.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I had that first room.

0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:28.279
<v Speaker 4>So a lot of them will hear something, just peep

0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:29.880
<v Speaker 4>in and I'm like, oh, ship, that's Tony, b.

0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:37.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh, oh, that's Jojo Oh. Tanky's up here every day,

0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:41.240
<v Speaker 1>like and we're playing Halo.

0:45:42.160 --> 0:45:46.040
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely Halo that she used to make my head hurt.

0:45:46.120 --> 0:45:47.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you niggas, yeah, no.

0:45:47.440 --> 0:45:51.839
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy. And I just seen Tyree in the parking lot, right,

0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:54.400
<v Speaker 1>it was. It was nuts.

0:45:54.640 --> 0:45:56.840
<v Speaker 4>Every artist you could think of, everybody you.

0:45:56.840 --> 0:46:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Can think of, so man, that time it was crazy.

0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:08.600
<v Speaker 4>But the experience I tell anybody, the underdog situation really

0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:10.760
<v Speaker 4>taught me how to make songs.

0:46:12.800 --> 0:46:16.839
<v Speaker 1>I went a beat maker. By the time I was done,

0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:20.520
<v Speaker 1>I was a full producer and a songwriter. Speaking of

0:46:20.640 --> 0:46:28.120
<v Speaker 1>your time, time wasn't very long. It wasn't what happened, Jay.

0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:32.120
<v Speaker 2>It was so.

0:46:34.440 --> 0:46:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Back to the business.

0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:41.879
<v Speaker 4>Sorry, two thousand and four had came out, and at

0:46:41.920 --> 0:46:45.160
<v Speaker 4>that time, what it was only the second American idol.

0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:49.799
<v Speaker 4>Ruby was the same. So it was the biggest thing

0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:55.799
<v Speaker 4>in life, biggest thing in life. And after they seen

0:46:55.880 --> 0:46:59.960
<v Speaker 4>my percentage on the record, every publisher in the world

0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:05.120
<v Speaker 4>was on my phone. And I had a brother that

0:47:05.239 --> 0:47:05.720
<v Speaker 4>I could.

0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:07.399
<v Speaker 1>Talk to him right there.

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:10.560
<v Speaker 4>It was him who was was it Chuck?

0:47:10.840 --> 0:47:13.640
<v Speaker 1>He was in a position, Chuck Chuck.

0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:16.759
<v Speaker 4>So I had all these people to bounce off of,

0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:19.880
<v Speaker 4>like I mean, because I wasn't signed to the Underdogs,

0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:23.120
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean. I was actually signed to

0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:28.160
<v Speaker 4>JD but they never gave me advance or anything like that.

0:47:28.360 --> 0:47:31.560
<v Speaker 4>So that had a time period which I didn't care

0:47:31.840 --> 0:47:34.360
<v Speaker 4>because I was able to do what I needed to

0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:37.640
<v Speaker 4>do just off the name, like and some people need

0:47:37.680 --> 0:47:39.919
<v Speaker 4>to realize that too. Sometimes it ain't about the money,

0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:42.799
<v Speaker 4>It's about the position you put in to make money,

0:47:42.960 --> 0:47:48.400
<v Speaker 4>you know. So everybody's calling, I'm talking to Jay. I'm like, bro,

0:47:48.840 --> 0:47:51.440
<v Speaker 4>they trying to get me such and such and this

0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:55.640
<v Speaker 4>and that, And then just so happened. Probably the next day.

0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:59.080
<v Speaker 4>Eric Dawkers is in a room and he just had

0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:03.320
<v Speaker 4>a check, like just laying on the table, and this

0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:06.000
<v Speaker 4>was the biggest check I had ever seen in my

0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:07.240
<v Speaker 4>entire life.

0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:11.560
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, bro, what is that check from?

0:48:12.400 --> 0:48:17.200
<v Speaker 4>He was like, oh, Christina Aguilera, I you can make

0:48:17.280 --> 0:48:20.279
<v Speaker 4>that type of money off music. He's like, yeah, man,

0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:21.400
<v Speaker 4>just just stay focused and.

0:48:21.440 --> 0:48:21.960
<v Speaker 5>Keep on going.

0:48:33.200 --> 0:48:36.680
<v Speaker 2>But nigga, you got records and you've done some great things.

0:48:36.760 --> 0:48:38.880
<v Speaker 2>And this is the R and B Money Podcast, and

0:48:38.960 --> 0:48:42.640
<v Speaker 2>yes there's money in that, and yes we've we've established

0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:45.799
<v Speaker 2>that you've done well for yourself. But let's tell these

0:48:45.840 --> 0:48:48.440
<v Speaker 2>people about these records and these stories behind these records.

0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Let's go.

0:48:49.040 --> 0:48:51.399
<v Speaker 2>Let's get we talked about sorry two thousand and four,

0:48:52.360 --> 0:48:57.160
<v Speaker 2>let's get into Uh, I'm a flirt, Okay, I'm a

0:48:57.320 --> 0:49:01.920
<v Speaker 2>flirt because there's some you know, I'm a flirt was

0:49:02.560 --> 0:49:03.680
<v Speaker 2>on multiple artists.

0:49:04.040 --> 0:49:09.400
<v Speaker 1>It was how the fuck did you get multiple checks?

0:49:11.320 --> 0:49:16.359
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about that. Let's talk about all right.

0:49:16.520 --> 0:49:21.319
<v Speaker 4>So, like I explained, Bow Wow was my ace right,

0:49:21.640 --> 0:49:26.200
<v Speaker 4>still still my brother at the time, Like I said,

0:49:26.239 --> 0:49:29.840
<v Speaker 4>We're making beats, were making songs, were finishing his album,

0:49:32.440 --> 0:49:35.200
<v Speaker 4>and I ended up getting a relationship with R.

0:49:35.320 --> 0:49:38.120
<v Speaker 1>Kelly, Like got those calls you know what I mean.

0:49:38.600 --> 0:49:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, my managers at the times the best friends with him,

0:49:41.560 --> 0:49:45.520
<v Speaker 2>Rocky Bivins, Latasha Scott's husband, and he was great friends

0:49:45.560 --> 0:49:45.880
<v Speaker 2>with him.

0:49:48.080 --> 0:49:50.880
<v Speaker 4>Hooked us up and Rob fell in love on my

0:49:50.960 --> 0:49:56.040
<v Speaker 4>production and he was like, let's let's go right. The

0:49:56.360 --> 0:49:59.759
<v Speaker 4>first track I sent him was I'm a Flirt.

0:50:00.200 --> 0:50:02.120
<v Speaker 1>So I asked Bow. I was like, Yo, you want

0:50:02.160 --> 0:50:06.200
<v Speaker 1>to do a song with R. Kelly. He's like hell yeah, right.

0:50:06.960 --> 0:50:08.799
<v Speaker 1>So I send the track to Rob.

0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:14.560
<v Speaker 4>He literally hits me back in like three hours and

0:50:14.680 --> 0:50:20.120
<v Speaker 4>he was like, it's a boy, said nigga, Nigga, what

0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:21.959
<v Speaker 4>what are you talking about?

0:50:22.960 --> 0:50:28.200
<v Speaker 1>It's a boy? Nigga. I called Hit Records my children,

0:50:29.160 --> 0:50:33.960
<v Speaker 1>and it's a boy. He said, I'm gonna have able

0:50:34.080 --> 0:50:39.759
<v Speaker 1>send it to you right now, Nigga, I play that song,

0:50:40.719 --> 0:50:41.880
<v Speaker 1>I fall out on the floor.

0:50:43.560 --> 0:50:45.640
<v Speaker 2>So when he sends it, is does he send a

0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:48.080
<v Speaker 2>full song or does he just send the hook back?

0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:49.920
<v Speaker 1>He said, he sends the hook.

0:50:51.680 --> 0:50:53.680
<v Speaker 4>And he says, give him another couple of hours.

0:50:54.400 --> 0:50:57.160
<v Speaker 1>Uh he no, he asked. He said, do you want

0:50:57.200 --> 0:50:57.920
<v Speaker 1>me to put a verse on it?

0:50:59.080 --> 0:50:59.319
<v Speaker 5>Hell?

0:50:59.480 --> 0:51:00.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I want you to put a verse on it.

0:51:00.960 --> 0:51:02.360
<v Speaker 4>He's like, all right, give me a couple of hours.

0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:08.040
<v Speaker 1>Nigga I called Bao. I was like, Bro, he did it.

0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:10.400
<v Speaker 1>He's like, Nigga, you line.

0:51:10.760 --> 0:51:12.400
<v Speaker 4>I was like, nah, bro, he did it. I was like,

0:51:12.440 --> 0:51:14.120
<v Speaker 4>I'm headed over to the house. I'm about to play

0:51:14.120 --> 0:51:14.440
<v Speaker 4>it for you.

0:51:15.640 --> 0:51:17.120
<v Speaker 1>Nigga playing for bow.

0:51:17.520 --> 0:51:20.760
<v Speaker 4>This Nigga like, Nigga, is it this a motherfucker single?

0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:24.240
<v Speaker 4>And he's he's proud because now this is a moment

0:51:25.680 --> 0:51:28.839
<v Speaker 4>that JD didn't do the beat. JD didn't write the song,

0:51:29.520 --> 0:51:34.360
<v Speaker 4>like he's bringing a hit record to the table. So

0:51:35.840 --> 0:51:39.319
<v Speaker 4>Bao drop his Uh, I'm gonna get into details, Bao

0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:40.160
<v Speaker 4>drop his verse.

0:51:40.239 --> 0:51:45.279
<v Speaker 1>We sent it back for Rob for approval. Bow Wow

0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:47.880
<v Speaker 1>says a line that Rob said.

0:51:49.239 --> 0:51:53.279
<v Speaker 4>On his part right and that nigga Rob called me

0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:55.719
<v Speaker 4>and said, hey, man, tell that nigga write his own shit.

0:51:56.600 --> 0:52:01.440
<v Speaker 1>That's my goddamn line. Tell him he write it. Ship.

0:52:02.360 --> 0:52:05.840
<v Speaker 4>Hey, niggas reference me, Hey, yeah, yeah, go ahead and

0:52:06.040 --> 0:52:06.799
<v Speaker 4>rewrite that part.

0:52:06.880 --> 0:52:11.040
<v Speaker 1>So rewrite it. Rob like cool, It's like it's a smash.

0:52:11.120 --> 0:52:13.960
<v Speaker 4>It's like congratulations, young niggas like y'all, y'all got what

0:52:15.360 --> 0:52:16.400
<v Speaker 4>We take it back to.

0:52:18.440 --> 0:52:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Jd uh KP and they just kind of like like

0:52:25.640 --> 0:52:26.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of it's cool.

0:52:27.080 --> 0:52:32.479
<v Speaker 4>It's cool, right, So I'll go into his superstar mode

0:52:32.840 --> 0:52:37.040
<v Speaker 4>called Mom's managers like these niggas hating this is the

0:52:37.120 --> 0:52:37.840
<v Speaker 4>fucking single.

0:52:38.400 --> 0:52:39.680
<v Speaker 1>This is what I want my single to be.

0:52:39.800 --> 0:52:44.279
<v Speaker 4>Boom boom boom boom and the powers to be was

0:52:44.400 --> 0:52:51.239
<v Speaker 4>just like no, said no, and end up putting the

0:52:51.440 --> 0:52:55.880
<v Speaker 4>song on a hidden bonus track on a Walmart version

0:52:56.600 --> 0:52:58.239
<v Speaker 4>because you know you used to have version. We know,

0:52:59.000 --> 0:53:02.400
<v Speaker 4>we know I got I got a hidden bonus on

0:53:02.560 --> 0:53:03.120
<v Speaker 4>my way.

0:53:07.000 --> 0:53:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Hitting bonus track was the target version or our best.

0:53:10.600 --> 0:53:15.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't like my verse, niggas, Do you

0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:22.640
<v Speaker 2>like that bro's you know these niggas right, niggas, partition

0:53:22.800 --> 0:53:29.120
<v Speaker 2>is up right now man, Walmart version, Walmart version, So

0:53:30.520 --> 0:53:32.879
<v Speaker 2>let let the manager sing on your record, and it's

0:53:32.920 --> 0:53:40.000
<v Speaker 2>the treat grateful you let her retired niggas sing on

0:53:40.080 --> 0:53:42.760
<v Speaker 2>your song. I should have called him and said, niggas

0:53:42.840 --> 0:53:51.520
<v Speaker 2>a boy. So it's on a hidden bonus track on

0:53:51.600 --> 0:53:52.399
<v Speaker 2>the Walmart verse.

0:53:52.520 --> 0:53:57.520
<v Speaker 4>Put an R Kelly record on a hitting R Kelly's height.

0:53:58.040 --> 0:54:00.480
<v Speaker 1>That wasn't the worst part about it.

0:54:01.080 --> 0:54:03.680
<v Speaker 4>After you put this man he has a side protection one.

0:54:03.760 --> 0:54:04.520
<v Speaker 1>You can't even do that.

0:54:06.360 --> 0:54:11.640
<v Speaker 2>The nigga hit me like, first of all, they didn't

0:54:11.640 --> 0:54:13.719
<v Speaker 2>put the shit out as a single because at that

0:54:13.920 --> 0:54:16.080
<v Speaker 2>time I didn't know, you know how it goes.

0:54:16.520 --> 0:54:19.560
<v Speaker 1>He was about to have a single out, so Rob

0:54:19.600 --> 0:54:21.759
<v Speaker 1>fuck with me so much. He was like, Hey, I'm

0:54:21.760 --> 0:54:23.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna get them to push that out.

0:54:23.239 --> 0:54:25.440
<v Speaker 4>Just make sure it's a single because my single is

0:54:25.520 --> 0:54:28.600
<v Speaker 4>about to come out, and after that comes out, ain't

0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:30.759
<v Speaker 4>gonna be no more features, you know what I'm saying

0:54:30.880 --> 0:54:33.760
<v Speaker 4>for that time period, so records are not compete with records.

0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:37.360
<v Speaker 4>So I was like, cool, So the powers would be

0:54:37.520 --> 0:54:41.160
<v Speaker 4>do they thing put it on a Hitten bonus track.

0:54:41.280 --> 0:54:44.960
<v Speaker 4>I love saying that hitting bonus track Walmart version and

0:54:45.280 --> 0:54:48.440
<v Speaker 4>that nigga Rob loses it, And he only didn't lose

0:54:48.520 --> 0:54:50.920
<v Speaker 4>it because they did that they didn't send a man

0:54:51.000 --> 0:54:55.799
<v Speaker 4>his money, they didn't pay R Kelly.

0:54:57.880 --> 0:54:59.759
<v Speaker 1>He was like, man, I ain't got my money. These

0:55:00.160 --> 0:55:03.200
<v Speaker 1>is disrespectful. I'm gonna show him what it is.

0:55:04.719 --> 0:55:09.680
<v Speaker 4>And that nigga took baw Wow off called tea pain Uh.

0:55:10.560 --> 0:55:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Ended up being collateral damage in a sense.

0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:15.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah it wasn't It wasn't his, but but the fucked

0:55:16.040 --> 0:55:19.640
<v Speaker 4>up part was like, they try to put that shit

0:55:19.719 --> 0:55:24.080
<v Speaker 4>on me like I did something like I went and

0:55:24.280 --> 0:55:28.480
<v Speaker 4>sold the record twice to R Kelly And it was

0:55:28.880 --> 0:55:31.360
<v Speaker 4>like for a while, man, like they had put a

0:55:31.560 --> 0:55:35.160
<v Speaker 4>big dent in me and balace relationship because you got

0:55:35.239 --> 0:55:39.640
<v Speaker 4>somebody that he's been with his whole career put him on.

0:55:39.800 --> 0:55:42.040
<v Speaker 2>You get what I'm saying, I'm the new nigga. Like

0:55:42.120 --> 0:55:45.680
<v Speaker 2>we best friends. But as somebody telling you something.

0:55:45.920 --> 0:55:49.360
<v Speaker 1>So how was he able to record the record and

0:55:49.400 --> 0:55:54.680
<v Speaker 1>put it out? This is the remix?

0:55:56.440 --> 0:55:56.640
<v Speaker 6>Ah?

0:55:57.520 --> 0:56:01.360
<v Speaker 4>Not only that it worked out that R c A

0:56:01.520 --> 0:56:05.520
<v Speaker 4>and Sony is the same, it was the job and

0:56:05.640 --> 0:56:10.960
<v Speaker 4>Sony they're all up the Umberella. So nigga, this is

0:56:11.000 --> 0:56:14.239
<v Speaker 4>an internal call of and he is R Kelly is

0:56:14.360 --> 0:56:14.840
<v Speaker 4>who he is?

0:56:14.920 --> 0:56:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Our bow wow? What do you mean? And it's just

0:56:20.000 --> 0:56:22.800
<v Speaker 1>a hidden record on there. Anyway, y'all didn't use it.

0:56:24.239 --> 0:56:25.680
<v Speaker 1>This is the remix now.

0:56:26.360 --> 0:56:28.600
<v Speaker 2>Hm, and it's my single and he wrote the record

0:56:28.600 --> 0:56:33.200
<v Speaker 2>anyway now because it was a new master, I did

0:56:33.280 --> 0:56:37.239
<v Speaker 2>get paid again because it was two separate masters, Yeah,

0:56:38.280 --> 0:56:44.279
<v Speaker 2>I did. And that one was a lot different, a

0:56:44.400 --> 0:57:03.759
<v Speaker 2>lot different. When we has no drama behind it. There's

0:57:03.800 --> 0:57:06.680
<v Speaker 2>no drama behind when we is it now outside of

0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:09.640
<v Speaker 2>them telling us that is it gonna work?

0:57:12.360 --> 0:57:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess that's some drama.

0:57:13.640 --> 0:57:17.760
<v Speaker 2>No, that's big drama because now you're fighting, you arguing,

0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:22.000
<v Speaker 2>you are out on the limb, basically alienating yourself and

0:57:22.120 --> 0:57:23.200
<v Speaker 2>going against the grain.

0:57:23.560 --> 0:57:29.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true. That's drama because if it don't work, yeah,

0:57:30.320 --> 0:57:31.200
<v Speaker 1>so you're going with it.

0:57:42.520 --> 0:57:56.400
<v Speaker 8>Just look at that nigga like princey. Shit, this is

0:57:56.520 --> 0:57:58.600
<v Speaker 8>the this is the remix.

0:58:00.200 --> 0:58:06.840
<v Speaker 4>Oh now, oh Yo Shan's ship, the drama.

0:58:06.680 --> 0:58:09.160
<v Speaker 6>Comes mm hmmm.

0:58:12.320 --> 0:58:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh Roddies.

0:58:18.080 --> 0:58:30.280
<v Speaker 7>Tarfire m hm tarfire mm hmm oh you're to fire,

0:58:34.400 --> 0:58:36.240
<v Speaker 7>oh tarfa.

0:58:37.640 --> 0:58:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Horribies.

0:58:39.000 --> 0:58:50.840
<v Speaker 9>Singers are and be songs, little roddies, Tapa.

0:59:03.240 --> 0:59:11.440
<v Speaker 6>F ho ly singer who.

0:59:14.360 --> 0:59:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Hardly So.

0:59:20.720 --> 0:59:24.640
<v Speaker 6>I know you have some. I know you have one.

0:59:26.280 --> 0:59:29.280
<v Speaker 6>I know you've heard a lot of songs that you like,

0:59:30.600 --> 0:59:33.360
<v Speaker 6>just a lot of songs that you know. I heard

0:59:33.400 --> 0:59:36.280
<v Speaker 6>a lot of songs that you've seen, heard a lot

0:59:36.320 --> 0:59:37.360
<v Speaker 6>of songs that you wrote.

0:59:37.600 --> 0:59:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Top five, Mmm, your top fog. You think that nigga

0:59:53.080 --> 0:59:53.800
<v Speaker 1>tink better than me?

0:59:57.960 --> 1:00:00.800
<v Speaker 4>You think that nigga could sing top even better than me?

1:00:02.000 --> 1:00:14.680
<v Speaker 1>For Ronnie? Your top five R and B singers, so hard?

1:00:15.160 --> 1:00:21.200
<v Speaker 1>Bro Yah? R Kelly number one? Start then start, started off?

1:00:21.320 --> 1:00:24.120
<v Speaker 1>Then number one kick it off. I'm a case and

1:00:24.240 --> 1:00:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Jojo You're gonna make them number two together? Joe Yeah,

1:00:33.120 --> 1:00:39.720
<v Speaker 1>just a whole brother, Yeah, Marvin Gaye. Then that's a

1:00:39.760 --> 1:00:41.240
<v Speaker 1>flip between Stevie Wonder.

1:00:41.920 --> 1:00:46.480
<v Speaker 4>Okay, I like what you're doing, brother, and then who

1:00:46.600 --> 1:00:48.200
<v Speaker 4>else fits in that?

1:00:49.000 --> 1:00:50.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm a babyface nigga too though?

1:00:51.240 --> 1:00:55.080
<v Speaker 4>Come on, come on, that's that's my top five.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exciting. Okay? Your top five.

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<v Speaker 4>R and B songs that ain't right? I can't you

1:01:04.480 --> 1:01:08.080
<v Speaker 4>better do it? I mean, I must say the songs

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<v Speaker 4>of my top five?

1:01:09.440 --> 1:01:11.720
<v Speaker 1>Why not? You know what I'm saying? Why not? And

1:01:11.960 --> 1:01:15.480
<v Speaker 1>R Kelly is hard? It's too many? You know what

1:01:16.960 --> 1:01:21.880
<v Speaker 1>I believe? I can fly? I love Let's get it on. Yeah. Well,

1:01:21.920 --> 1:01:22.320
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't you.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I won't talk about that real fast because I'm

1:01:26.520 --> 1:01:32.400
<v Speaker 4>trying to still confused on how they lost that lawsuit. Yeah,

1:01:32.480 --> 1:01:35.200
<v Speaker 4>that's I really want to talk about that because it's

1:01:35.360 --> 1:01:38.520
<v Speaker 4>R and B right, Yeah, come on, How in the

1:01:38.640 --> 1:01:43.320
<v Speaker 4>hell did they lose a lawsuit that? The Ed Sheering

1:01:43.480 --> 1:01:48.000
<v Speaker 4>song was not like, let's get it on. Soon as

1:01:48.040 --> 1:01:51.120
<v Speaker 4>I heard it, I was like, oh, Marma, gay got

1:01:51.120 --> 1:01:51.600
<v Speaker 4>another one.

1:01:52.720 --> 1:01:55.680
<v Speaker 1>That's what I thought. You know what's crazy?

1:01:55.800 --> 1:02:01.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna ask the musicologists over Atlantic. Yeah, because he's

1:02:01.600 --> 1:02:07.400
<v Speaker 3>Borderlina genius. Yeah, he's he's he catches everything right, Yeah,

1:02:07.520 --> 1:02:10.640
<v Speaker 3>take you just you know you your two notes and

1:02:11.360 --> 1:02:13.960
<v Speaker 3>and right there at the end of the fourth stands

1:02:14.000 --> 1:02:16.800
<v Speaker 3>of that syncopation. You're You're on it, man, Like I

1:02:16.920 --> 1:02:18.520
<v Speaker 3>just changed it like four times. Yeah, you gotta.

1:02:19.200 --> 1:02:21.880
<v Speaker 1>He's on it. So I'm gonna ask him to get

1:02:21.920 --> 1:02:22.400
<v Speaker 1>past him.

1:02:22.520 --> 1:02:28.960
<v Speaker 3>How did's even possible? I'm asking forever, my lady, why not?

1:02:31.080 --> 1:02:32.120
<v Speaker 6>I just call.

1:02:34.600 --> 1:02:41.000
<v Speaker 1>I love you that babyface? Which one do you pick?

1:02:42.520 --> 1:02:44.840
<v Speaker 2>That's hard because it's just like, I don't know if

1:02:44.840 --> 1:02:47.120
<v Speaker 2>I want to pick one he wrote or one song

1:02:47.520 --> 1:02:50.000
<v Speaker 2>because I wanted to say the Boys to Men's.

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<v Speaker 4>Song but not gonna lose either way.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but you can say you kind of took the

1:02:54.400 --> 1:02:56.080
<v Speaker 2>easy way out and just let you know that you're

1:02:56.080 --> 1:02:58.240
<v Speaker 2>my brother'na keep it funky with you took the easy

1:02:58.240 --> 1:03:01.480
<v Speaker 2>way out by taking songs from the same singers that

1:03:01.640 --> 1:03:05.040
<v Speaker 2>you said. It was top five singers, but he took

1:03:05.120 --> 1:03:08.360
<v Speaker 2>the it's your five, so whatever.

1:03:08.400 --> 1:03:10.440
<v Speaker 4>Hard for somebody to be your favorite singer and they

1:03:10.480 --> 1:03:11.560
<v Speaker 4>don't have your favorite song.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't agree.

1:03:13.240 --> 1:03:15.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't agree because I don't know if all my

1:03:15.600 --> 1:03:17.280
<v Speaker 2>favorite singers got all my favorite songs.

1:03:17.440 --> 1:03:23.400
<v Speaker 4>I agree and disagree. Fair fair, Yeah, but I get it.

1:03:23.720 --> 1:03:25.320
<v Speaker 4>I know what you're doing, though I know you.

1:03:29.040 --> 1:03:30.200
<v Speaker 1>Give it your nigga.

1:03:30.680 --> 1:03:33.720
<v Speaker 2>I was like something about this keyboard. It's been transposed

1:03:33.720 --> 1:03:35.680
<v Speaker 2>this whole time. I was like, something, ain't right.

1:03:35.760 --> 1:03:38.040
<v Speaker 3>I got read out the pitch, so so you was

1:03:38.160 --> 1:03:41.240
<v Speaker 3>cheating and no, y'all have me singing higher than normal.

1:03:41.280 --> 1:03:43.160
<v Speaker 3>I was like, well, I can normally hit this, let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought of reset every time, you know, set me up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>he wrote it, but boyster Man end of the row.

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<v Speaker 3>Perfect song singing out of the Talent Show once, although

1:03:58.880 --> 1:04:02.000
<v Speaker 3>we've come I sang it at at my ex girl,

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<v Speaker 3>well she was my girlfriend at the time, at her

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<v Speaker 3>high school with some guys that were in the group there.

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<v Speaker 4>That was probably the wrong song to sing to your girlfriend, because.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I didn't sing it to her.

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<v Speaker 2>I sang it at her school, but still in the

1:04:12.560 --> 1:04:14.800
<v Speaker 2>group that was there was a dope group, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying, And they signed. They sang first on

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<v Speaker 2>the Talent Show high school Talent Show because my cousin

1:04:20.280 --> 1:04:24.320
<v Speaker 2>was a teacher there, and then they were singing that

1:04:24.400 --> 1:04:26.000
<v Speaker 2>and that was from I was from another high school.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like, you know, get up here, because a

1:04:27.440 --> 1:04:29.200
<v Speaker 2>lot of people from my church went to that school.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, like, do girl, get up here and sing

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<v Speaker 2>and sing with this end of the Road.

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<v Speaker 1>So I got up on.

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<v Speaker 3>Stage and sang with them on the End of the Road.

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<v Speaker 3>And I remember that song so vividly in that moment,

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<v Speaker 3>so vividly because she was actually cheating on me with

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<v Speaker 3>one of the guys in the group.

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<v Speaker 4>So it was you spoken into existence. It actually was

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<v Speaker 4>the end of the road.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't just yet because I didn't find out ti later,

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<v Speaker 2>but then I was like, that's that's my fond memory

1:04:52.720 --> 1:04:55.720
<v Speaker 2>of the end of the road. We was hung together

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<v Speaker 2>and I know that. No, that's how you felt though.

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<v Speaker 2>She played with my heart and she was knocking down.

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<v Speaker 1>The niggas who sang it? Why do you play with

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<v Speaker 1>my mind? Why do you.

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<v Speaker 4>Mm hmmm mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>It hurt to find that out.

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<v Speaker 2>That's crazy because I'm sure she's probably asked for tickets. No,

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<v Speaker 2>m hm, she took her air. I listen, I respect

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<v Speaker 2>the ones that take their air.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't come back. I respect them ones tough. Yeah, don't

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<v Speaker 1>come back. It's still sting a little bit.

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<v Speaker 6>I think.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think this some thirty years ago, some residual

1:05:38.120 --> 1:05:42.120
<v Speaker 2>trauma ship. You know, you be locked in. You're like,

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<v Speaker 2>I ain't do nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Y'all need to do call in. She need to call

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<v Speaker 1>and apologize. I kept it. Holy look where he got

1:05:51.520 --> 1:05:58.840
<v Speaker 1>you report it to my music? All right, here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>You lived the black slack my brother.

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<v Speaker 4>I have and I honestly believe in phil is just

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<v Speaker 4>the beginning, because it is mm hmmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Church.

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<v Speaker 1>I ain't saying no. Next ain't saying I ain't saying

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<v Speaker 1>no names, say no name? Who is what you did?

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<v Speaker 1>You don't say s I ain't saying no names.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, we've come to that time, all right. You gotta

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<v Speaker 2>tell us a story funny, fucked up, are funny and

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<v Speaker 2>fucked up?

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<v Speaker 1>You hear me.

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<v Speaker 2>The only rule to this game, m you can't say

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<v Speaker 2>no names. I won't tell you a funny story, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just say his name.

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<v Speaker 1>Say any names. I ain't saying no noames. What you

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<v Speaker 1>know who it is? That's fine.

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<v Speaker 4>Interesting funny story is when I got hold on, hold on,

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<v Speaker 4>hold on, hold on. This is little Rindy got kicked

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<v Speaker 4>out of the Underdog building. I left with him to

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<v Speaker 4>flirt himself, to flirt himself, messing.

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<v Speaker 1>With the same girl.

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<v Speaker 4>Please excuse his hands.

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<v Speaker 1>Excuse his hands, man, I ain't saying no names. I

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<v Speaker 1>ain't saying no names. So I get a call from

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<v Speaker 1>a good friend.

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<v Speaker 4>And he tells me that these he's in a certain

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<v Speaker 4>place and he's playing these this record that had just

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<v Speaker 4>came out, and people are dancing around the studio saying

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<v Speaker 4>how amazing this record is, and he ends up telling

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<v Speaker 4>them that I.

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<v Speaker 1>Did the record and it was just crickets in the

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<v Speaker 1>room after they were just dancing.

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<v Speaker 4>Saying how amazing the record was and saying how incredible

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<v Speaker 4>the artist was, and how they always.

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<v Speaker 1>Wanted to work with them, and my little name came

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<v Speaker 1>back up. My God, I put you in my session.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a story. Cool and I closed my chapter there.

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<v Speaker 1>The cool that was you'll get back man. He didn't

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<v Speaker 1>say no names. I didn't say no names.

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<v Speaker 3>Ship well, my brother love Ronnie. What else can we say? Man,

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<v Speaker 3>You're family? So hey, man, you know this is this

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<v Speaker 3>is light work. This is easy, man, But we are

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<v Speaker 3>proud of you.

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<v Speaker 4>I appreciate y'all because you know, y'all just don't move

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<v Speaker 4>for anybody, and y'all just don't go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>So I appreciate y'all coming to the at L man

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<v Speaker 1>like this is. This is beautiful.

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<v Speaker 4>I appreciate y'all work. I'm proud of y'all. Y'all really

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<v Speaker 4>doing something for the R and B community.

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<v Speaker 6>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I know anybody else that can do what

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<v Speaker 1>y'all doing.

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<v Speaker 5>We appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Bro, we love you man.

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