1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane. 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: Never told your protection of I Heart Radio, and it's 3 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: time for another female first, which means we are thrilled 4 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: and delighted to once again be joined by our good 5 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: friend eves Hi. Eves Hi, it's always so wonderful to 6 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: have you on, and we always have such fun conversations 7 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: right before we start recording. Yeah, we do. And I 8 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: feel like it's my fault often for taking us on 9 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: those tangents, because it's nice to catch up because this 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: is often the only time I get to see y'all. Right, 11 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: So yeah, we love a good tangent. And we got 12 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: to talk about like lime wire and body order. We 13 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: looked down about like six different holes here are trying 14 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: to catch up because we jumped from subject to subject. 15 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: We're so good at that, we are we are. I 16 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: am so so excited about the topic you brought today. 17 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: Before we get into it, I wanted to ask Um 18 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: or either of you growing up, did you ever have 19 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: periods where you were really interested in space? Yes, so 20 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: take the floor here direct, No, that's usually me. I'm like, no, thanks, Yes, 21 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: I really really one of the one trips I don't know. 22 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: Was this everybody in our generation we would go to 23 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: the planetarium from like kindergarten until about third grade. Every 24 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: field trip we had maybe the fourth grade, we would 25 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: go to a planetarium. And unfortunately a majority of our 26 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: planetariums have been shut down or close. I think there's 27 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: one um tell Us Museum which is above Cartersville here 28 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: in Georgia, which is pretty far away from us. But 29 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: I loved going to that. I love going to the Imax. 30 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: This is before I'm max became part of a theater. Man, 31 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: I'm really dating myself. I'm right there with the Samantha okay. 32 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 1: And then then going into the planetarium to watch the sky, 33 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: which we were inside the dome and they would do 34 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: this like picture and I was fascinated. I loved it. 35 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: Now everything for me had everything to do with the aesthetics, 36 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: so it wasn't necessarily the science part. So I just 37 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: wanted to see the stars. I wanted to be under 38 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: the stars. Uh. The other night, as in fact, we 39 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: had the blood moon come through and the lunar eclipse. 40 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:36,679 Speaker 1: Did you all watch that? I did not. Inside I 41 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: felt before, during and after, so I just didn't. I 42 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: didn't watch it. So I went to see the first 43 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: part of the eclipse and it was beautiful. And then uh, 44 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: my partner, who actually had a really nice camera, started 45 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 1: taking pictures of the blood moon and it was gorgeous, 46 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: so we got to see all of that. But yes, 47 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: watching it and seeing it and being fascinated by was 48 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: out there, it's definitely thing I can about the science 49 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: not so much. Yeah, I can relate to that, Samantha, 50 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: I because I did love planetariums too, but it was 51 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: just like it was more so the feeling of being 52 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: inside a dark space that it wasn't an experience that 53 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: I had every day as a child. So I like 54 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: that element of it. And then the displays that the 55 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: places we went to or the planetariums would put on, 56 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: with the the nice narration, with the soothing voice happening. 57 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: And I don't think I had as much wonder in 58 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: awe about what it all really meant, or the scale 59 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: of things or the grandness, or I didn't have any 60 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: deep philosophical ideas or even think that it would be 61 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: something that I would be interested in professionally or career wise. 62 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: And I think that's like science was never that element 63 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: for me. I was. Yeah, I was always firmly in 64 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: the direction of the arts. It's not I'm not saying 65 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,839 Speaker 1: that they're polar opposites, but science felt a little bit 66 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: farther away for my personal field of interest. But I 67 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: respected a lot more now and I have a lot 68 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: more connection to it and draw towards that direction. Yeah, 69 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: I loved it and was terrified by it. I also 70 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: love planetariums. We went to NASA the NASA Center in Huntll, Alabama, 71 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: when I was in sixth grade. Of course, because you're 72 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: in sixth grade, that trip was full of drama, but 73 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: it was cool and I I loved like I have 74 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: over three thousand of those glow in the dark stars 75 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: my childhood roof um, which my mom later found out 76 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: and then lamented, and she was like, well, I'll be 77 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: able to sell the house. I'm like, this is a benefit. 78 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: They're gonna be lucky to have this. I did constellations 79 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: and everything, but I do I love the aesthetic as well, 80 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: and that was one of the reasons I did that. 81 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: I had a telescope. I also used to just draw 82 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: the planets. I don't know why, but I thought they 83 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: were really pretty. And now, as Samantha knows, I have 84 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: a galaxy projector and I'll put it on at night 85 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: and it will help me like relax, and sometimes I'll 86 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: write to it, or sometimes I'll just listen to music 87 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: and look at it. I love it. However, I was 88 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: terrified of space, even though I loved science fiction um 89 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: and even obviously space operas as their calls. Basically because 90 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: of a prank that was played on me when I 91 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: was nine years old that was very successful, but I'm 92 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: still angry about it. Um. So I was. It was. 93 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: It was a weird dynamic where I loved it but 94 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: was terrified, and I was like, never would I ever 95 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: go to space? And then once I got older, and 96 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: I really loved like the science of it. I loved 97 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: like the you know, figuring out how old stars were 98 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: and stuff. Then I was like, oh, I'd like to 99 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: go to space, which was a very big change for me. 100 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: I probably never will, but oh, I thought this was 101 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: gonna be one of those moments, those any moments where 102 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: you uncover something about your weird and very interesting life 103 00:05:55,320 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: that you're like, and I did, no, no, no, no, no, 104 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: I have not done that. I've hiked very high mountains 105 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: and that's probably the closest I will get and that's fine. 106 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: It sounds like a very dangerous space. Uh space. Yeah, anyway, 107 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: that was a nice ending. Thank you. I love it. 108 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: And I think the one thing about but well, both 109 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: the space and ocean is that there's so much discovery 110 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: to be had still and the unknown is that scary part. Yeah. Yeah, 111 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: And and recently I don't know if this is one 112 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: of the reasons you chose this top of us, but 113 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: we had that first photo of the black hole and 114 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: also the sound that it makes that I was listening 115 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: to it and it was beautiful and haunting. I was like, oh, 116 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: I'm a little nervous about them. You can feel the 117 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: vast expanse everything. Yes. Well, with all of that being said, 118 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: who did you bring for us to discuss today, Eves? Well, yeah, 119 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: I do just want to say, as part of the Segway, like, 120 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: I think that it is relevant to the way that 121 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: Maria Mitchell, who is our topic today, thought, um just 122 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: about how little we know and how much of exploration 123 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: and discovery and scientific investigation comes from curiosity and ignorance. 124 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: And yes, so I think that there is a similar 125 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: thinking there in what you just said to what the 126 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: way that Maria Mitchell operated and thought as well. So 127 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: in terms of her first she's considered the first recogn 128 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: mass professional female astronomer in the United States. Um And 129 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: she was also the first female member of the American 130 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: Academy of Arts and Scientists. And she was the first 131 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: person in America to discover, or in the world actually 132 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: to discover the telescopic comment that she observed. Um And 133 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: we'll get to that story of hers a little bit later, 134 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:51,679 Speaker 1: because it's one of the things that she was super 135 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: well known for, but not the only thing, because there 136 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: are a lot of markers of success in her story. 137 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: There are a lot of first in her story, even 138 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: so other ones that I didn't mention. So yeah, there's 139 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: a lot about her story that is very impactful in 140 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: the scientific realm, in the realm of observation of the 141 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: skies and astronomy. But she also touched on education um 142 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: And I think is an inspiration and role model in 143 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: many ways as a person who delved really deep into 144 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: the work that she was doing and really cared about 145 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: passing on that work to other girls and young women 146 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 1: and students and potential students of astronomy. Yeah, she's got 147 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: a lot of fascinating, just like random kind of they 148 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: were presented as throwaway facts in her story, and I 149 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: was like, wait, I want to know more about that. 150 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 1: But it's really it's really really interesting, and I'm again 151 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: angry that I hadn't heard about it before and glad 152 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: that you're going to tell us all about it. I 153 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 1: am too. I am too, because I think usually in 154 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: these out I think sometimes she might be on the 155 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: scale of a little bit more well known, but I 156 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: also think that's because of her own background. She's a 157 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: white woman from the United States of the eighteen hundreds, 158 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: so it's a little bit. I think more people have 159 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: had access to her story, but it's still not one 160 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: that is super well known. Um, even though she actually 161 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: did a lot for the fields that she was in, 162 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: and I do in these episodes try to bring more 163 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: stories from marginalized people. Um. But she had such an 164 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: impact on the field of astronomy and had such a 165 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: fascinating story, and of course it's always worthwhile to tell 166 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 1: stories that aren't as well known. Even if you are 167 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: a person who's in science, like there's a good chance 168 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: that you may not know her story. So yeah, I'm 169 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: really excited to talk about her today. Should we get 170 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: into it, Yeah, let's do it. So. She was born 171 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: on August first, eighteen eighteen, in Nantucket, Massachusetts. Her parents 172 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: were William and Lydia Mitchell. Her father was an amateur astronomer, 173 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: a teacher, and he later worked for a bank, and 174 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: her mother worked for a library. She had a big family. 175 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: She was the third of ten children, and her ancestors 176 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 1: and her parents as well were Quakers and Quakers. If 177 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: you don't, you're not that familiar with who they are. 178 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: They are members of the religious Society of Friends, which 179 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: is obviously as a religious organization, like has a lot 180 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: more death to it than I'm going to explain right now, 181 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: but it has ties to Christianity, though not all Quakers 182 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: are Christians. Um their values emphasized peace, equality, and simplicity, 183 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: and the history of their treatment and their advocacy of 184 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: other people's human rights causes is very complex, but you 185 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: will often see Quakers names associated with human rights causes 186 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: in US history, like they were known for being involved 187 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: in movements like abolition and women's suffrage and Native American rights, 188 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: so there are links there, and her parents were obviously 189 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: tied to that religion, but also really cared about education 190 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: for her and her siblings and really emphasize that throughout 191 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: their story. You'll see that her father is from her 192 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: father and her mother, but her father, especially as an 193 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: amateurs genre he was, UM, had a huge influence on her. 194 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: They really cared about books, a thing that I love 195 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: in their story, and her love for books really shines 196 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: through and how she thinks everybody should study through books. 197 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: So UM all the way here for that. But UM. Yeah, 198 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 1: So her parents had a huge influence on her because 199 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 1: Nantucket is an island and the work people did there 200 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: required them to be at sea. The men that lived 201 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: there were often away from home, and women would hold 202 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: down the fort at home while men were away for 203 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: long periods. And this, plus the presence of those Quaker 204 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: values that we talked about, created conditions of relative independence 205 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: for women. Um and her her parents. Because her parents 206 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: valued education for all their children so much, the girls 207 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: learned to so they learned to cook, but they also 208 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: learned to read. The children went to school, but they 209 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: also studied at home with the help of their parents, 210 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: and early on Mariah showed an aptitude for math. She 211 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: learned to use the sex stant and the telescope and 212 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: at twelve years old, Mariah and her father observed a 213 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: solar eclipse through a telescope in her home. And when 214 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: she was sixteen, she left the school she was attending, 215 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: but she soon began working there as an assistant teachers. 216 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: So her path way toward the illustrious life and astronomy 217 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: that she had started pretty early. And I'm thinking, I'm like, 218 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, she was sixteen and she was already 219 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: starting this pretty cool. She soon opened to school of 220 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: her own, where she admitted students of color, which was 221 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: controversial at the time. Then she became a librarian. She 222 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: followed in her mother's footsteps. She became a librarian at 223 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: the Nantucket Atheneum, which was established in eighteen thirty four 224 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: when the Nantucket Mechanics Social Library and the Colombian Library 225 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: Society joined. It operated as a private subscription library. Here's 226 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: one of those first that we didn't mention earlier, and 227 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: that Mariah Mitchell was the first librarian there and she 228 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: was just eighteen at that point. And during this time 229 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: she and her father kept getting equipment and conducting observations, 230 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: working for the U. S Coast Survey and other organizations. 231 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: She worked at the sen Um as a librarian for 232 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: twenty years, and the atheneum hosted things like anti slavery conventions, 233 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: and the building itself was burned in a huge fire 234 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: in Nantucket in eighteen forty six and had to be rebuilt, 235 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: so it was in a very interesting place. You'll see 236 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: um in her diary entries that she talks about the 237 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: people who came in and out of the location. So, 238 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: like I said, there were anti slavery conventions, so it 239 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: was just a meeting space for intellectual conversation and depth 240 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: and all those things, but people would also come in 241 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: just to see Mariah herself. When she talks about kind 242 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: of being like bored with those people, and her diary 243 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: entries like, yeah, I'm used to it. They come through, 244 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: they're looking for me. Yeah. But um, it seems clearly 245 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: she enjoyed her time there. She was there for twenty years, 246 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: and um, there's a lot of history in her being 247 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: able to study herself while she was still working as 248 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: a librarian there. But also the impact that she had 249 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: on other people who came through, like people who would 250 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: go off too far away places and she would see 251 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: them change and they would write back to her and 252 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: they would come back and visit her. Um so some 253 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: pretty warm and interesting interactions. It seems like she had 254 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: there in addition to all of the people that she 255 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: came into contact with while she was there, people like 256 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: Frederick Douglas UM who came for those meeting spaces over 257 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: issues like women's rights and abolition. Anyway, um, on the 258 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: night of October one, eighteen forty seven, she spotted a 259 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: comment when looking through her telescope. Um so rewind back 260 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: to back in eighteen thirty one, the King of Denmark 261 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: offered a gold medal to the people who were the 262 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: first to discover their respective telescopic comments. UM. I'm using 263 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: finger quotes right now because telescopic comments are comments that 264 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: you couldn't see without a telescope. So that king was dead, 265 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: but thanks to his son, the offer still stood and 266 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: that comment that Maria observed. Others observed the comment after her, 267 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: namely Francesco da Vico on October three, and there were 268 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: other people as well, but he reported that to others, 269 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: and a Vico, as the first despoted in Europe, was 270 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: thought to have earned that medal, but he didn't because 271 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: he saw it after Maria, and because she saw it. 272 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: A couple of days before him, and that was eventually recognized. 273 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: Um Mariah's father sent mail to Harvard University talking about 274 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: the discovery and how it was delayed. There was like 275 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: delays for weather because they had to go through the mail, 276 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: so there were delays because of that. So it was 277 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: an unfortunate happenstance. And Edward Everett, who was the president 278 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: of Harvard University at the time, advocated for Maria being 279 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: the deserving prize winner, and she was recognized as the 280 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: first I have observed it, though it took a minute 281 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: for her to actually get her award in the mail 282 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: was awarded for being the first person to spot that 283 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: comment through the telescope, and the comment was named eighteen 284 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: forty seven six or now see eighteen forty seven one 285 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: in the modern designation, and it was also known as Ms. 286 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: Mitchell's comment. I love that. Would I want a comment 287 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: named after y'all? I would until it destroyed something or 288 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: I don't know. If it was a nice comment. That 289 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: was pretty anno way, yeah, it was a nice just 290 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 1: us hello and moves on. I am very fascinated by 291 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: this race to find the first comment, or to be 292 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: the one to spot the comment. I wonder how that 293 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: went down because you know, today, if you didn't have 294 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: to picture proof that was dated and stamped, do people 295 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: believe this? Maybe I'm just too caught up in social 296 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: media world where we're too caught up in like this 297 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: could be easily faked. When was this done? Type of thing? 298 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: But that's fascinating to see how this was all verified. 299 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: Who said what? What can because like, if you don't 300 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: see it, how can you un listone was there with you? 301 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 1: How do you approve I saw this comment first. I 302 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: just find it very fascinating, and then also I love 303 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: that people actually went to bat for her in order 304 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: to make sure that she got that credit. But it's like, 305 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: it's very interesting and like, how do you do this? 306 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: This feels like a whole like drama that you have 307 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: to do somehow to show that you were the one 308 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: to see it. Yeah, that's a good point, Samantha, because 309 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: it's really hard to be believing of these kinds of 310 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: things in the era of deep fakes. And I wasn't 311 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: even thinking about it in that way. That's definitely one 312 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: way to think of it. I was thinking about it 313 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: in the way of like there is like in other 314 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: ways there's such a rigorous process of documenting something like, 315 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: for instance, where the Guinness Book of World Records. UM. 316 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: And also we have I guess maybe I'm not sure 317 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: I might be speaking in front of myself right now, 318 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 1: but that we have such a specific understanding of the 319 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: scale of things because we're so connected globally at the 320 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,719 Speaker 1: point in time. So I find myself thinking like, of course, like, 321 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: of course somebody somewhere did that before. We just don't 322 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: know about it because there are nearly eight billion people 323 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: on the planet, and like the world is so big, 324 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: and so many things have been undiscovered, and so many 325 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: people don't have access to resources to report things, and 326 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: you know, like it's and I think that a lot 327 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: with a lot of these first like there has to 328 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: be somewhere else, um. And I think that's the case 329 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: with this calling Mariah the first recognized professional female astronomer 330 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: in the United States. I mean, there are a lot 331 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,959 Speaker 1: of qualifiers to that. What are we considering a professional? 332 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: You know, are we doing this specifically because she's a 333 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: white woman? UM? So a lot of things to think 334 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: about in that regress. Thank you for raising that point. Sorry, 335 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: I'm very suspicious today. Picks there didn't happen, I see 336 00:19:50,480 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, cheers. So on around this time May 337 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: eighty eight, so um, we're around the anniversary of that, 338 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: she became the first woman elected to the American Academy 339 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: of Arts and Sciences. You can look at her certificate 340 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: of admission online into the Academy. On it, you can 341 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: see the word sir crossed out, which is funny to me, 342 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: like they just had this stack of them with I 343 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: don't know how that error happened. I'm not quite sure 344 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: they already had a stack printed out that somehow had 345 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: her name on it. Not sure, but the word fellow 346 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: was also crossed out and written over it as a 347 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: phrase an honorary member. I'm so pretty cool to look 348 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: at that history. Moving along her timeline, in eighteen forty nine, 349 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: she moved with her father and began working as a 350 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: computer calculating tables for the US Nautical Almanac. She was 351 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: assigned calculating tables for the orbit of Venus, and the 352 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: next year she became the first woman elected to the 353 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: American Association for the Advancement of Science, and she talks 354 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: about in her diary entries, and it's known that she 355 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 1: wanted to travel through Europe for a while in her life. 356 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: Though she didn't make a ton of money, she had 357 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: been saving and she did end up making this happen. 358 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: In eighteen fifty six, she left her job at the Athenaeum, 359 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: and in eighteen fifty seven she traveled throughout southern US 360 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: and through Europe, and many years later, I think it 361 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: was in the eighteen seventies, she did end up returning 362 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: to Europe again for some more travels during the summer. Anyway, 363 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: in that first trip, she met a bunch of people 364 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: while she was traveling through Europe, like astronomer John Herschel, 365 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 1: Alexander von Humboldt, and mathematician and writer Mary Somerville. She 366 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: visited observatories there, including the Vatican Observatory, and in terms 367 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: of her personal life, her mother did become sick in 368 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: eighteen fifty five, and over the years Maria took care 369 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,959 Speaker 1: of her. Her mother did end up dying in eighteen 370 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: sixty one, and after that Mariah moved to Land, Massachusetts 371 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: with her dad. So this kind of next part kind 372 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: of begins a different part of her life, whereas this 373 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: one up until this point was pretty heavily focused on 374 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: her own scientific investigation and sweeping the guy's as she 375 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: would say, and her own observations. In eighteen sixty five, 376 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: she was appointed professor of astronomy at Vassar College in 377 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: New York, which was initially a woman's only school. So 378 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: she starts to move in the direction of being super 379 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: focused on her work at vasser What she was contributing 380 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: to her students there really uplifting the program of astronomy 381 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: there and observatory there and guiding students into being part 382 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: of the astronomy world and learning more about it and 383 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: being a teacher. And she was also named director of 384 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: the observatory at the college, which was opposed. That she 385 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: held for more than twenty years, so she did another 386 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: twenty years stance somewhere else. She clearly was a person 387 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: who like to stay where she liked to be had. Yeah, 388 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: so her salary at the college was eight hundred dollars 389 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: a year, and that was less than other male professors. 390 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: We're getting so we know this narrative. This narrative existed 391 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: in the eighteen the mid eighteen hundreds as well, and 392 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: it was one that Maria herself called out. She you 393 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: can read the story of her going through this compensation 394 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 1: battle with the trustees at her school. She got room 395 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: and board for herself and her father, but male professor's 396 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: salary was two thousand dollars although rant fuel and lights 397 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: were not coverage in their compensation packages. She and another 398 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,479 Speaker 1: woman professor petition for a higher salary and for their 399 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: compensation to be on par with the men's. She did 400 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: end up getting to pay increase. It's a whole saga, 401 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: but she did end up getting a pay increased, though 402 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: the committee that was handling the issue did, for a 403 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 1: time charge her sixteen dollars a week for a furnished 404 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: room with light and heat, which was not not good enough. 405 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: That was too much and a number that number also 406 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: effectively lowered her salary for that which she deemed too high. 407 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: So that was gonna be a problem. That wasn't gonna 408 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 1: work for her. So she wasn't going to settle for 409 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: getting a bump in her pay. She had to, you know, 410 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: make sure that she was actually being fairly compensated. And 411 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: of course, as those battles go, she didn't necessarily get 412 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: everything she wanted. That number was eventually lowered to ten 413 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: dollars a week, I think it was, but she became 414 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 1: increasingly invested in teaching over her own scientific inquiry. She continued, though, 415 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: to work for the Nautical Almanac for a while, but 416 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 1: she eventually let go of that work to focus solely 417 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: on her work at the college. And there's a lot 418 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: of warmth. They're pretty warm to read all of the 419 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: praise that she got from her students and her colleagues. 420 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: Her teaching style was unconventional, and many of her students 421 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: grew to love her after being in her classes. She 422 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: would bring students out to the observatory at night. She 423 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: wanted students to actually learn things rather than just memorize things. 424 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: She also wanted them to study on their own and 425 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: read rather than just be lectured to. And she recognized 426 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: the value in her students learning on their own and 427 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: arriving at their own truths through their own investigations, and 428 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: she would publish her and her students findings and journals. 429 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: She traveled with her students to observe eclipses like Samantha 430 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: does and clearly Annie and I do not. I did 431 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: that time a couple of years ago. Pictures, people have 432 00:25:49,119 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 1: tons of pictures, and she helped raise funds for the 433 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: observatory as well, and she would publicly advocate in general 434 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: for better women's education and the need for women in science, 435 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: and she joined other group she was part of other organizations. 436 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: In eighteen sixty nine she became a member of the 437 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: American Philosophical Society. She was also one of the early 438 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: members of the American Association for the Advancement of Women, 439 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: at one point even its president, and at another point 440 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: headed its committee on Science. So she was running in 441 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: a lot of circles with activists and met them through 442 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: things like speeches she saw. And some of these people 443 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: were her friends, some more people were Some of these 444 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: people were acquaintances that she met in her travels in Europe, 445 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: so she had a pretty extended reach. But other people 446 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 1: like Frederick Douglas that she knew. Others were Ralph Waldo Emerson, 447 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: Lucy's done and William Lloyd Garrison. So her father who 448 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: had a huge impact on her throughout her life. He 449 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: died in eighteen sixty nine and later in eighteen seventy three. 450 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: Like I mentioned earlier, she spent more time in Europe. 451 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: So one of the great things about her history is 452 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: that you can read some of her own writing and 453 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: quite a bit of it and quite candid as well 454 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,959 Speaker 1: in the journal entries that she provided and one she 455 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: talks about, I mean, I could go on forever about these, 456 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: I think I love she was very eloquent in the 457 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: way that she put things as well. Her turns of 458 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: phrases are pretty pretty inspiring, I would say, because I 459 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: know a lot of times we can read these old 460 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: journal entries, like if you've ever going back to some 461 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: of the other people we've talked about in the past 462 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: and past female first, a lot of them had journal 463 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: entries as well, but sometimes they were written in the 464 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: person style of voye, so often it was interesting to 465 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: read their stories, but they didn't necessarily put it in 466 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: the best way, like their addiction wasn't the most interesting. Um. 467 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: But I do find that reading Mariah Mitchell's work and 468 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: her words through her journal entries, they drudged up a 469 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: lot of different ways of thinking, even if those philosophies 470 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: were ones that are was already familiar with, so it 471 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: could be worthwhile reading for that from that perspective. But 472 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: in one she talks about how women have been confined 473 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: to women's work and to doing that in little else 474 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,959 Speaker 1: to take up all their time. But she says that 475 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: quote the universe of truth beyond remains unentered. So talking 476 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: about the way that women were looked at in their 477 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: capacity for learning and putting them into educational programs. With 478 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: those educational programs did there was one she talked about 479 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: when she went to Europe. I can't remember exactly what 480 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: place it was, but she went there and they were 481 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: teaching them. They were like are She was like, are 482 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: you teaching them Latin? Are you teaching them math? And 483 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: they were like, oh, they're just women. But there she 484 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: was like, are you teaching them lad? Are you teaching 485 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: them math? And we're going to teach the math next year? 486 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: What about letting oh, they're women like? It was that 487 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: kind of situation, and she says that quote unquote women's 488 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: work actually makes women well suited to astronomical observation. And 489 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: there's this one pretty cool quote where she says, the 490 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,479 Speaker 1: eye that directs a needle in the delicate meshes of 491 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: embroidery will equally will bisect a star with the spider 492 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: web of the micrometer. Routine observations too dull, as they 493 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: are are less dull than the endless repetition of the 494 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: same pattern, and crochet work. So she's drawing this nice 495 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: parallel between quote unquote women's work. In this instance, she's 496 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: talking about embroidery and sewing and the skill not even talent, 497 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: the skill that is necessary because it's one that's built, 498 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: one that can be learned, um, and drawing the line 499 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: between that and the work that is done in astronomical observation, 500 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: which is pretty cool, Like not a parallel that I've 501 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: ever thought about, but it reads this pretty poetic. She 502 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: talks about how she likes being outside at night, looking 503 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: through the telescope and breathing fresh air. At one point, 504 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: she says, but her back gets tired and she gets cold. 505 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: You know, she really loves it, which like that's real love, 506 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: something when they take a toll on you in a way. Also, 507 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: she doesn't talk a ton about her personal life and 508 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: her connection to a religion before a certain point, like 509 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: before the ten forties, but she does mention caring less 510 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: about church doctrine the more she hears of it over time. 511 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: You can hear kind of her disdain in her turn 512 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,479 Speaker 1: of phrase, in the way that she talks about, uh, 513 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: not being so into it after a certain point. She 514 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: says that like her a reverend that she knew. She 515 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: comments on a reverend that came through and she said 516 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: that he, like her, is quote unquote w wh just 517 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: only in feeling. So she never joined any church, though 518 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: she did attend the Unitarian Church for for some years. Yeah, 519 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: so I think we could go into her journal entries forever, 520 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: but they do provide a lot of insight on the 521 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: breath of experience that she had some um, the good, 522 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: the bat and the ugly all taken together. She talks 523 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: about going to a slave market at one point, and 524 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: then there's another part which is funny to me where 525 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: she talks about going to a black church where the 526 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: pastor says their, quote unquote not much for talking, but 527 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: he talked for a quote full hour, And I like, 528 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: I had to stop for that one because I am 529 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: so used to that as a person who went to 530 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: the Baptist church. It's just so funny to me that 531 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: this is from the eighteen and it was the exact same. 532 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: She talks about all the exultation that happens in the 533 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: black church that she went to in the call in response, 534 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: which she wasn't used to but I'm super used to 535 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: as a Black woman who grew up in the church 536 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: in the South, and how services and sermons were always 537 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: far too long. But she has these moments where she 538 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: talks about going to the slave market and she acknowledges 539 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: the tragedy of being separated from your family to be 540 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: sold elsewhere. She's basically, oh, you poor thing. You know, 541 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine being separated from my family in that way, 542 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: all of my kindreds or something like that, she says. 543 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: And then and that was obviously a pair of phrase 544 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: going mute herself. But in another entry she says, she 545 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: doesn't think that the slaves are badly treated, just quote 546 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: unquote sleek, fat, and lazy. And I'm not sure exactly 547 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: what the word sleek means in that I'm guessing it 548 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: means something about appearance, but it is definitely used. It's 549 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,479 Speaker 1: paired with the fat and lazy idea, so it has 550 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: to be something, you know, in those derogatory terms, basically 551 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: like they don't seem like they're they seem pretty happy, 552 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: you know there. So there are these moments where you 553 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: can see the contradictions of her thinking and how the 554 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: time that she was in and her being a white 555 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: woman in the eighteen hun is affected the way that 556 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: she thought about things in all the hypocrisy in that 557 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: specific instance that was present. UM. So it's always worthwhile 558 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: going and saying what the people said themselves. And so 559 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: is the case for Mariah UM. And y'all know I 560 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: love quotes, so I could go on forever, but UM 561 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: not going to. I do appreciate her thoughts on She 562 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: talks about how she doesn't know a lot. There's a 563 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: quote where she says, I look back at my old 564 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: computations and like, I see now that I don't really 565 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: know a bunch more. You know, I'm a better thinker, 566 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't know so much more than 567 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: I knew there before. And she says that the quote 568 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: the world of learning is so broad, but the human 569 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: soul is so limited in power. We reached forth and 570 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: strain every nerve, but we see is only a bit 571 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: of the curtain that hides the infinite from us. So 572 00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: her students enjoyed her the way that she spoke to Um. 573 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: They talked about how they were inspired by some of 574 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: the things that she said. But she did resign from 575 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: Vasser and January of eighteen eighty eight to the disappointment 576 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: of many of her students and colleagues. They didn't want 577 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: her to leave so much that the trustees asked her 578 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: to keep living at the college and using the observatory, 579 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: which is where she was living. But she declined and 580 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,439 Speaker 1: she went back to Lynn, Massachusetts with her family, and 581 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: she ended up dying just about a year later on 582 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 1: June eighty nine. And the biography that was published posthumously 583 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: in eight s was Mariah Mitchell Life, Letters and Journals, 584 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,959 Speaker 1: and that's where you can read a lot of her work. 585 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 1: Her home was preserved and she was recognized in the 586 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: National Women's Hall of Fame and foundation that Maria Mitchell 587 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 1: Association was established in Nantucket, and there was an observatory 588 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,760 Speaker 1: in Nantucket named after her, as well as another object 589 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: in space, a crater on the Moon was named after her. 590 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 1: So she has been remembered in many ways. Creator on 591 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: the Moon. Yeah, that's something I would like. I didn't. 592 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: That's not gonna lie. That's the new one to me. 593 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think I've talked about somebody else. Any 594 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: of that had a creator. I do think there was 595 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: one other person. I can't remember who it was. I 596 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: missed that part. Well, now you know, Now I definitely 597 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,399 Speaker 1: know I'm still learning as well, so yes, we are 598 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,760 Speaker 1: still learning. Um. Yeah, this it was a fascinating story 599 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: and definitely the journal. Um. As you said, the good 600 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 1: and the bad, there were. There are some excellent burns 601 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: she has from like her time in Europe, specifically where 602 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,359 Speaker 1: she would like call people out and I really appreciated that. Um. 603 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 1: So yeah, worth worth reading. Um. And it is interesting 604 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: to kind of get this window into what was going 605 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: on at that time, and because she was she was 606 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: very good with words, but she was also very personal. 607 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,919 Speaker 1: I don't know if that makes sense, Like you could 608 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: tell it was her, like she was shining through what 609 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: she was writing. Yeah, for sure. I think sometimes people's 610 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: journals can read as just a lot of things that happened, 611 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: but she clearly really was meditating on things as she 612 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: was going through them, and I think we get glimpses 613 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: of both of those, like these really broad philosophical ideas 614 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: and then also like you know, I went here in 615 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: Europe and I talked to this person. So I think 616 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:38,399 Speaker 1: it's a nice mix. M H. Well, I guess New 617 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: Goal get a comment or creator named after us everyone, UM, yeah, 618 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,439 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that's on my bucket list. But 619 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,839 Speaker 1: I would want to create or named after me. That's 620 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: phils offensive. I don't better than a comment. I don't know. 621 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,919 Speaker 1: I'll have to think about this. There's so many things 622 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: to this. Yeah, I did really Also I loved hearing 623 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: about her, But it is obvious, like like, there's a 624 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: lot of problematic things when you are nicely tucked into 625 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: um a privileged setting. Even the fact that that her 626 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: like it's lovely to see that a father, men and 627 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: her life were actually advocating for her to get the 628 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: recognition and she still had to work and push to 629 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: get other women to be a part of this conversation. 630 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: But with some of the things that you talked about, 631 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,959 Speaker 1: it's obvious that she was very like, well, it didn't 632 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: doesn't really affect me, So I don't think it's that 633 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 1: bad type of narrative. And that's always something that we 634 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: have to look out for when it comes to putting 635 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: people on pedestals in general. We can learn from them 636 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: and definitely celebrate the goodness and the amazing things that 637 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: they did, but we also have to put in reality 638 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 1: they were people, and these are flaws, and these are 639 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: huge flaws. These are problematic flaws and we have to 640 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 1: recognize that. But she did also love her people, like 641 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: you were talking about she wrote. When you said Ralph 642 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: oh while the Emmerson, I was like, oh, that's why. 643 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,280 Speaker 1: Like I can see the poetry level of her writings 644 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 1: because she actually wrote some poetry to the boys. She's like, 645 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: I had to rhyme these names about her students. And 646 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 1: it's lovely to see that because I'm like, yeah, that's 647 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 1: how I wrote too. I was like, how do I 648 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: rhyme this name to this? So I was like, hey, 649 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 1: look at that, this is how do works. I'm okay, 650 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,319 Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. But yeah, it's very 651 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: interesting to see when you start looking at the depth 652 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: of the history. We always like to put that caveat 653 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: of this is what we know, this is what's been recorded, uh, 654 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,359 Speaker 1: and think good as someone did preserve this because now 655 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: we see. But that doesn't necessarily mean that she was 656 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: the absolute first, or they are the absolute first, and 657 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 1: or that everything you read is pristine and pretty like 658 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: we have to put the he shined the light on 659 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: all of it as it should be. Yeah. Yeah, um, 660 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: and you eaves are always so great at that you 661 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: bring us these and you want stories, uh, and we 662 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: love it. We're always so thrilled when you're here. So 663 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you for coming. Always happy 664 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: to be here. Yes, yes, it's yes. Um, Well, where 665 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: can the good listeners find you? You can find me 666 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 1: on Instagram at not Apologizing, on Twitter at Eves Jeff Cote, 667 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,840 Speaker 1: and you can find me on this here show on 668 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,359 Speaker 1: many other episodes of Female First. You can go back 669 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: through the catalog we're I think in the twenties at 670 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 1: this point of episodes that we have so you can 671 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: hear about other people in history who were the first 672 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,879 Speaker 1: to do whatever they were the first to do. And 673 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 1: that's about it. Yes, yes, I think we're doing for 674 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 1: another celebration soon. I'm just gonna always sticking to the 675 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: cheesecake and champagne theme. Are are we gonna? What else 676 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: are we thinking? Um? I don't know. We might have 677 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,320 Speaker 1: to switch it up next time. Okay, well we'll figure 678 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: that out. We'll figure that out. Uh. In the meantime, listeners, 679 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: if you would like to contact us, you can our 680 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 1: emails stuff and your mom stuff at I hurt me 681 00:39:58,440 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 1: dot com. 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