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Speaker 1: This week's guest someone we've been wanting to have on
Speaker 1: the pod for a while, doctor Greg Rose. He and
Speaker 1: Dave Phillips are the co founders of the Titleist Performance
Speaker 1: Institute and they are at the forefront of golf fitness,
Speaker 1: of golf development. We've had Dave on the pod numerous times,
Speaker 1: but Gregor Rose is someone that I can't think of
Speaker 1: anybody really other than my father. He and Dave. I've
Speaker 1: probably learned more from these two and if you are
Speaker 1: struggling with your golf swing. I think this is a
Speaker 1: fantastic kind of overview of some of the things that
Speaker 1: you can look out for and some of the things
Speaker 1: that you want to look for in your golf swings.
Speaker 1: Because Greg and Dave out at TPI, they are at
Speaker 1: the forefront of golf fitness. We talk a lot about it.
Speaker 1: This is easily one of my favorites that I've done
Speaker 1: because I just have so much respect for Greg and
Speaker 1: the work that he and Dave Phillips do out at TPI.
Speaker 1: So this is a good one. Greg Rose from the
Speaker 1: titleist performance INCE two. It's a pretty special day for
Speaker 1: me because I think out of everybody I've met, probably
Speaker 1: in the last twenty years, I mean, I think most
Speaker 1: people would think that my father probably has the biggest
Speaker 1: influence on my career from a golf standpoint, And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean obviously definitely does. But I think meeting you
Speaker 1: and Dave in two thousand and four really did change
Speaker 1: my life from just the way I started thinking about
Speaker 1: golf swings. We hear so much Gregan in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four about golf fitness. As to me, you guys are
Speaker 1: at the forefront and kind of the people that kind
Speaker 1: of talked about golf fitness for the first time for
Speaker 1: everyone listening, What is golf fitness and why is it important?
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I really appreciate that Cloud. It
Speaker 2: means a lot for you to say that, and I
Speaker 2: appreciate you having me on here. Golfitness, that's great, that's
Speaker 2: a great question. So to me, it's basically preparing your
Speaker 2: body to play golf at the highest level or whatever
Speaker 2: level you want to play at, and making sure that
Speaker 2: your body's not the problem. That's golf fitness, right. So
Speaker 2: you know, we always say, like, if you can't perform something,
Speaker 2: it could be you don't know how to do it,
Speaker 2: you need the technical information. It could be skill isn't there,
Speaker 2: or it could be your body doesn't let you do it.
Speaker 2: Golf fitness is removing that third part, right, is trying
Speaker 2: to make it so that you don't have any physical
Speaker 2: limitations that are affecting your ability to perform.
Speaker 1: I first started teaching, I mean, we never thought about that, Greg.
Speaker 1: And one of the things, and I want to go
Speaker 1: a little bit deeper into this is you guys at
Speaker 1: the Titleist Performance Institute of TPI, you came up and
Speaker 1: kind of coined the phrase the body swing connection. When
Speaker 1: I started teaching golf lessons, I would look at a
Speaker 1: player and I would just look at what they were
Speaker 1: doing and say, okay, let's have them. Okay, this is
Speaker 1: the problem and what they're doing from a golf swing standpoint,
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and fix the golf swing part of it.
Speaker 1: And I think now, when I look at a player,
Speaker 1: the first thing I look at is, Okay, why are
Speaker 1: they doing that? Why are they making that move with
Speaker 1: their body? Why doesn't why can't they Why can't they
Speaker 1: rotate their hips? Why can't they rotate their chest? Why
Speaker 1: can't they get into their right side of whatever it is?
Speaker 1: My brain immediately now, after meeting you guys twenty years ago,
Speaker 1: my brain immediately now goes to, Okay, there's a reason
Speaker 1: why this person isn't able to do this unless you said,
Speaker 1: it's just a complete concept problem. And so when I'm
Speaker 1: teaching now, I put myself and I try and put
Speaker 1: the student into two buckets, and I asked them, I said, okay,
Speaker 1: do you know what you're trying to do and how
Speaker 1: you were trying to do this? From a technical standpoint,
Speaker 1: meaning do you know how to swing? The club out
Speaker 1: to the right. If you're massively coming over the top
Speaker 1: of it, that's a concept problem. But a lot of
Speaker 1: times we'll have players greg where they understand the concept
Speaker 1: and they don't ever make any changes, and they don't
Speaker 1: get any better. And that's where I think the connection
Speaker 1: between to what a player's body can and can't do
Speaker 1: has a massive effect, because in the past, if somebody
Speaker 1: was struggling to do something, as instructors, I think we'd
Speaker 1: get really frustrated because we just say, listen, how hard
Speaker 1: is it to do this? But when I first met
Speaker 1: you guys, I went out and you, guys, you know this.
Speaker 1: I can play golf left or right handed, and I
Speaker 1: wanted you guys to tell me which way I should
Speaker 1: play physically. Should I played left handed or right hand?
Speaker 1: Which way would my body work better? And I remember
Speaker 1: I went out to TPI in Oceanside in San Diego,
Speaker 1: and by the way, the only person that's.
Speaker 2: Ever asked me that question, by the way, which is great,
Speaker 2: but go ahead exactly.
Speaker 1: So I went out there and I was hitting balls
Speaker 1: right handed warming up and left handed, and I think
Speaker 1: you and Dave were both like watching me warm up.
Speaker 1: You said, okay, I think this is you were gonna
Speaker 1: We're going to stick to you right handed. And as
Speaker 1: soon as I started hitting golf balls left handed from
Speaker 1: a speed standpoint and from what my body could do,
Speaker 1: you guys went, no, no, don't even waste your time
Speaker 1: playing golf right handed play golf. That is an extreme example,
Speaker 1: But I mean the reason I mean I had back
Speaker 1: surgery in twenty eleven. I remember I was kind of
Speaker 1: the poster child when you guys were doing the early
Speaker 1: TPI certification courses for lack of internal hip rotation. You
Speaker 1: guys used to get me up on the stage test
Speaker 1: my internal hip rotation, and everybody would laugh and think
Speaker 1: I was joking, and you would always say to the crowd,
Speaker 1: it's not. But you also told me, listen, with what
Speaker 1: your body can and can't do from a golf standpoint,
Speaker 1: it's not really a question of if you're going to
Speaker 1: have back surgery at some point. It's a question of when,
Speaker 1: based off of the physical limitations you have. And I
Speaker 1: remember when I was crawling around on the floor and
Speaker 1: couldn't stand up in twenty eleven. I sent you my
Speaker 1: MRI and he said, I told you it wasn't a
Speaker 1: matter of if it was a matter of when. So
Speaker 1: I think for me, the body swing connection is resonates
Speaker 1: so much with me because I live it every day.
Speaker 1: I have really really tight hips. I don't have a
Speaker 1: lot of rotation. I have a lot of early extension
Speaker 1: or thrust on my golf swing. And so I used
Speaker 1: to try and fix out my dad's butch harmon. He's
Speaker 1: telling me what to do, he's telling me how to
Speaker 1: fix it. I can't fix any of it. And it
Speaker 1: was a revelation when you and Dave said to me, listen,
Speaker 1: it's you, but it's not you. Your body can't do
Speaker 1: these things. It doesn't like to do these movements based
Speaker 1: off of what you can do physically. And that changed
Speaker 1: kind of my golfing life. And you guys said to me, listen, Okay,
Speaker 1: you can either make these changes or if you don't
Speaker 1: have the time or you're not willing to do it.
Speaker 1: I remember you guys said, listen, don't practice. Your body
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Speaker 1: listening to this podcast, Greg never think of their body
Speaker 1: and how it affects what they do. That concept of
Speaker 1: the body swing connection. For you, how would you explain
Speaker 1: that for everyone listening?
Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, I mean Cloud, I think it's it's
Speaker 2: I call it source versus cause. Right. So if somebody
Speaker 2: walks in and says my knee hurts, right.
Speaker 1: Hey, hang on, that's another one that I'm gonna borrow.
Speaker 1: Let mean you wrote that down, I'll give you full credit.
Speaker 2: Yes, versus I thought so. To me, it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: let's say your knee hurts and you say my knee hurts. Right.
Speaker 2: If someone comes to me and says my knee hurts,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, that's the source of the pain. Right.
Speaker 2: We all we can see it. Let's say it's inflame.
Speaker 2: The person could tell me it hurts. But then if
Speaker 2: I say why, like, tell me why your knee hurts, right,
Speaker 2: that answer could be vastly different, right for each person, right,
Speaker 2: because we all have reasons. It's it's almost like that's
Speaker 2: that game of why, where like if you're a kid
Speaker 2: and you say, uh, I'm gonna make something up. Let's say,
Speaker 2: claud you say you like cake, i'd say why, you go, well,
Speaker 2: because it tastes good. I go why You're like, well,
Speaker 2: my mom gave it to me when I was a baby,
Speaker 2: so I just like that. I'm like, why, Well, it
Speaker 2: was the only thing that she could cook. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: And we keep going to the point where, like, you know,
Speaker 2: the reason you like cake is because if there's the
Speaker 2: only thing your mom could cook. Like, now we get
Speaker 2: to the we get to the the cause of all
Speaker 2: of this, right, right, So it's the same thing with
Speaker 2: your swing. Right when when you know, when your dad's
Speaker 2: given you a lesson, I'm pretty confident he's right that
Speaker 2: what you're doing is wrong. Right If he says, hey,
Speaker 2: you're coming over the top, I pretty sure you're coming
Speaker 2: over the top.
Speaker 1: But you should always tell you everything that I did,
Speaker 1: what was swinging golf club in my father's eyes, was wrong.
Speaker 1: Every day. I don't want to know.
Speaker 2: I don't want to tell you you're right. That's not
Speaker 2: what anybody wants to hear. But and the other thing that.
Speaker 1: He would always tell me to do is well, just
Speaker 1: stop doing it. Hey you're coming over the top. But okay,
Speaker 1: we'll just stop doing it.
Speaker 2: Walk it off, walk it up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: So like if somebody says, hey, you're over the top,
Speaker 2: you should say to yourself why right, So if if
Speaker 2: I look at myself, I'm over the top, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: is it because I don't know that? Well, they just
Speaker 2: told you you know it, So it's not concept. You
Speaker 2: know it? Right? Is it that you don't know how
Speaker 2: to swing inside out? Or is it you can't physically
Speaker 2: swing inside out? Or maybe it's your equipment won't let
Speaker 2: you swing inside I mean, there's lots of reasons that
Speaker 2: you got to go down the line so to say,
Speaker 2: you know, in anything in medicine and golf swing, if
Speaker 2: you say, hey, here's your problem, that's the start of
Speaker 2: the journey. Right. Once you have the start of the journey,
Speaker 2: at least we know the problem, but we don't know
Speaker 2: the cause of the problem. And I think it's now
Speaker 2: very evident that there is a body swing connection that
Speaker 2: by literally we have an app on our TPI world
Speaker 2: where we use AI like everybody else in the world's
Speaker 2: using a on machine learning. We can do a physical
Speaker 2: screen of you and now the computer can literally go
Speaker 2: through and predict what your swing will look like. That's
Speaker 2: pretty scary and it's right like ninety five percent of
Speaker 2: the time, which is pretty scary, just never watching you swing,
Speaker 2: just looking at your body, because you know, it's kind
Speaker 2: of like humans are really good at compensating, right, And
Speaker 2: it's kind of like, like you said, my hip doesn't
Speaker 2: rotate all right, Well, I still want to play golf,
Speaker 2: so how else can I get this done? Right? And
Speaker 2: these compensation patterns is what we see every day on
Speaker 2: the golf course that are creating problems right, and it
Speaker 2: can lead to injuries and poor performance.
Speaker 1: One of the big things that I took away from
Speaker 1: when I first met you guys, and all the seminars
Speaker 1: that we went through, you would always say, listen, golf
Speaker 1: is not a It's a physical activity, but it's not
Speaker 1: an activity to where you're falling down on the ground,
Speaker 1: getting tackled, running into things. Golf physically should not hurt
Speaker 1: you as a player. You should not go to a
Speaker 1: driving range, hit golf balls, play eighteen nine holes of
Speaker 1: golf and be in physical play. You could be in
Speaker 1: fatigue paint where you're a little bit tired, your legs
Speaker 1: are a little bit sore from walking whatever. Maybe you
Speaker 1: played a lot of and hit a lot of balls.
Speaker 1: Maybe you're a little bit tight, but golfers should not
Speaker 1: be in physical pain when they're swinging a golf club.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. When you bendo from the waist
Speaker 2: and twist right, it is a very biomechanically potentially stressful
Speaker 2: position if you don't use the proper joints that were
Speaker 2: designed to rotate right, Like you said, if you can
Speaker 2: turn from your hips and turn from your thrascic spine
Speaker 2: and raise your shoulders, those joints were designed to rotate.
Speaker 2: But for a lot of us, if we don't have
Speaker 2: the hip mobility or the spine the let's say, the
Speaker 2: thorastic spy mobility, we might try and twist from our
Speaker 2: lower back. You do that, and as you realize it's
Speaker 2: a really bad idea, things can go down really quick.
Speaker 1: One of the other big light bulbs, and it's something
Speaker 1: I think about all the time is I can't remember
Speaker 1: if I don't know if I was at this seminar,
Speaker 1: but you talked about this. Someone asks describe how the
Speaker 1: body works and how it moves, and you said, that's
Speaker 1: a pretty interesting question. I think it was great. Cook.
Speaker 1: One of the guys on your advisory board goes, oh,
Speaker 1: that's easy. The body is made up of alternating patterns
Speaker 1: of stable and mobile joints, and you kind of went
Speaker 1: through how that works. And it's something that I think
Speaker 1: about every day. Can you can you tell that story
Speaker 1: because it has changed everything about the way that I
Speaker 1: think about the body. But it's also changed greg every way.
Speaker 1: Every way I think about how the golf club and
Speaker 1: how people are swinging is.
Speaker 2: Such as golf golfing, it's not even golf, it's it's
Speaker 2: like but it's basically it's a great story. It was
Speaker 2: Great Cook, who's one of the best physical therapists in
Speaker 2: the country, and Mike Boyle, one of the top straight coaches.
Speaker 2: They were having a conversation and it's what Great told
Speaker 2: Mike that day that Mike wrote an article about that
Speaker 2: I read and ever since I read that, it affected
Speaker 2: me just like it affected you, and we created we
Speaker 2: kind of adopted it as our philosophy in it. And
Speaker 2: basically what Grey told Mike that day was this. He
Speaker 2: said that if you'd take any joint in your body,
Speaker 2: like let's take the wrist, okay, he said that most
Speaker 2: joints are designed to move in three planes of motion,
Speaker 2: like you can flex and extend, you can hinge and
Speaker 2: you can twist right like your shoulder can do the
Speaker 2: same thing, your hip, your ankle, And he said, and
Speaker 2: if a joint moves freely in all three planes, we
Speaker 2: called a mobile joint, that's where you should get most
Speaker 2: your movement from. Because but then there are other joints
Speaker 2: in your body, like let's say the knuckle on your finger, right,
Speaker 2: it's designed to flex and extend. Now you can move
Speaker 2: it side to side and you can twist it, but
Speaker 2: I really don't want you to do that, right. It
Speaker 2: really wasn't designed to do that, like your knee or
Speaker 2: your elbow, you Know's so there's certain joints that are
Speaker 2: designed to move in one plane and certain joints that
Speaker 2: moving three planes. If it's designed to move in one plane,
Speaker 2: we call it a stable joint. Like your lumbar spine.
Speaker 2: The fassets are like this. They're designed to flex an extent,
Speaker 2: but they're not designed to rotate, whereas your thrastic spine.
Speaker 2: They're designed to rotate, flex, extend, move everywhere. So gray
Speaker 2: Ma made this interesting observation. He said, you know, if
Speaker 2: you look at the human body and you label the
Speaker 2: joints as mobile or stable, like your your ankle is mobile,
Speaker 2: your knee is stable. Your hips should be mobile. Your
Speaker 2: lumbar spine should be stable, your thrascic spine should be mobile.
Speaker 2: Your scapul your shoulder blade should be stable. Your shoulder
Speaker 2: joint is mobile, your elbow is stable, your wrist is mobile.
Speaker 2: He's like you know, if you notice, it's an alternating pattern.
Speaker 2: It goes mobile stable, mobile, stable, and mobile stable. And
Speaker 2: that alternating pattern is how humans were design to move. Now,
Speaker 2: life can become a problem. Right, Let's say we sprain
Speaker 2: an ankle, or we damage our hip, or let's say
Speaker 2: we're born with a different joint arrangement. Now, when that
Speaker 2: pattern's broken, Gray always says something bad can happen. Now
Speaker 2: what's bad. It's called compensations. Right, you create these compensations.
Speaker 2: And now I might try and make one of those
Speaker 2: stable joints, like my lumbar spine instead of just flexing extending.
Speaker 2: The brain might go listen, I know you're only designed
Speaker 2: to flex and extend, but we need some rotation right now.
Speaker 2: And you can force your need to move lateral like
Speaker 2: it shouldn't do, or you can force your scapula to
Speaker 2: become unstable and these things can create biomechanical stress on
Speaker 2: the body that can lead injury for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I remember I had my back surgery at
Speaker 1: a micro deffected me in twenty eleven at L four
Speaker 1: and L five. That is in my lumbar spine right
Speaker 1: at the base of my spine and my hips. My
Speaker 1: hips which are designed to be moved or they're designed
Speaker 1: to be mobile. My lower back is designed to be stable,
Speaker 1: my knee is designed to be stable. So the chain,
Speaker 1: the part above and below a lot of the injuries Greg,
Speaker 1: that we see in golf, and you know this from
Speaker 1: your your medical background. Whenever my back would be hurting,
Speaker 1: you would always say, yeah, how's your knee feeling too,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, my knee is killing me. And
Speaker 1: You're like, okay, it's not your back and it's not
Speaker 1: your knee. It's the problem is in your hips. But
Speaker 1: the part above and below that chain are going to
Speaker 1: be where the compensation happens. The other thing that was
Speaker 1: another light bulb moment is when we were at a
Speaker 1: TPI seminar and you said, listen, you're on stage and
Speaker 1: it was golf professionals, fitness guys, medical people, and I've
Speaker 1: talked about this on the podcast many times. You said,
Speaker 1: does anybody in here want to know how to one
Speaker 1: hundred percent full proof way to change a motor pattern
Speaker 1: or a movement pattern. Everybody the room holds your hand
Speaker 1: up because that's what we're all trying to do. And
Speaker 1: you said, introduce pain immediately. If you twist your ankle,
Speaker 1: you immediately learn how to walk on one leg instantaneously.
Speaker 1: No one's taught you how to do this. You didn't
Speaker 1: go to a seminar, you didn't go on your phone
Speaker 1: and look at YouTube. You sprain your ankle and you've
Speaker 1: got to get from the soccer field to the car.
Speaker 1: You're going to learn how to walk on one foot,
Speaker 1: and your entire body will compensate the constant compensation. As
Speaker 1: you said, for a lot of people listening, I think
Speaker 1: the majority of the people listening Greg, life gets in
Speaker 1: the way of their golf, and as a result of
Speaker 1: life getting in the way of their golf to where
Speaker 1: they can't devote as much time to golf as they'd
Speaker 1: like to. Whereas the tour players that we work with,
Speaker 1: they have to take time away from professional golf to
Speaker 1: go on vacations. Right, most people have to take are
Speaker 1: trying to take time away from work to go play golf.
Speaker 1: For that golf for that is sitting in a car
Speaker 1: all the day, all day traveling. What are some of
Speaker 1: the issues that they need to look at, because I
Speaker 1: think that's most people, right. Most people are going to
Speaker 1: have a desk job, have an office job. They sit,
Speaker 1: they're in a chair that's got wheels on it. They're
Speaker 1: not doing anything rotationally. They're probably really not doing The
Speaker 1: average fifteen to twenty five handicapper does no physical warm
Speaker 1: up when they go to the driving range other than
Speaker 1: the hit golf balls and a few bullshit arm circles
Speaker 1: and a couple of you know, try and touch my
Speaker 1: toes for two seconds. But they don't do any physical
Speaker 1: warm up. They sit all day, then they stand up,
Speaker 1: then they bend forward, and then they try and rotate
Speaker 1: in their golf swing. That in large part is a
Speaker 1: massive recipe for issues if you don't know how that's
Speaker 1: affecting your golf swing.
Speaker 2: Two things. First of all, golf is very let's say, misleading,
Speaker 2: Like you said, hey, it shouldn't hurt. Most people go,
Speaker 2: I drive a cart, I drink beer, and I go
Speaker 2: and swing like this isn't. It's like pickleball and people
Speaker 2: look at pick a ball and go, oh, this is easy. Well,
Speaker 2: pickleball is creating more injuries than any's moore on the
Speaker 2: planet right now. Golf is is It's way more stressful
Speaker 2: on the body than people believe. Right, that's the first thing.
Speaker 2: Second thing is, like you said it, wherever there's smoke,
Speaker 2: there's fire. Right, So if your back, like for you,
Speaker 2: your back was the smoke. Right, we can sit there
Speaker 2: and go, hey, your back is killing me, but there's
Speaker 2: probably a fire below it, which was your hips. Right,
Speaker 2: if you're in pain when you play golf, let's say
Speaker 2: your shoulder hurts, or your back hurts, or your knee hurts.
Speaker 2: Where there's smoke, there's fire. We usually don't treat smoke
Speaker 2: by trying to stop the smoke. We try and put
Speaker 2: out the fire. Right. So, like I'm sure you experienced
Speaker 2: this is if your back was hurting, you might have
Speaker 2: been like looking on the internet, all right, what are
Speaker 2: three stretches I can do for my back? That's treating smoke.
Speaker 2: The problem is fire, right in part, Usually the part
Speaker 2: that's on fire doesn't hurt. So you got to remember, Like,
Speaker 2: so if I'm the average golfer out there. The first
Speaker 2: thing I do is an assessment, and I go, okay,
Speaker 2: does anything sore? Even though this is I kind of
Speaker 2: wish you would do this before you got sore. But
Speaker 2: let's say take the average person. When I'm done playing golf,
Speaker 2: my neck hurts, right, you take a quick snapshot and
Speaker 2: go where does it hurt? And then you have to
Speaker 2: say to yourself why, like why is my neck hurt? Right?
Speaker 2: And like we said, if you go back to that
Speaker 2: philosophy you said, there's certain joints that should be mobile,
Speaker 2: certain joints should be stable. Your big joints, your shoulder,
Speaker 2: your thoracic spine, your hips, your ankles, your wrists, those
Speaker 2: should all be mobile. If any of those you feel like,
Speaker 2: oh man, well it's hard for me to turn my
Speaker 2: trunk right, Well, if it's hard for you to turn
Speaker 2: your mobile joints, your stable joint, like your neck is
Speaker 2: probably taking the hit, right, it's probably the smoke. So
Speaker 2: don't beat up the smoke. Go put out the fire.
Speaker 2: Go after your thraastic spine, go above and below the area,
Speaker 2: like you said, where there's pain, and attack those first
Speaker 2: and see if that settles. The puts the fire out
Speaker 2: and you know, it's a beautiful world today with like,
Speaker 2: if you need exercises, it's just like if you need
Speaker 2: golf drills, you go on YouTube and find a million
Speaker 2: of them. The question is which one do you use? Right?
Speaker 2: And to me the simplistic way, like what should I
Speaker 2: do before I play? Well, if you know that, hey,
Speaker 2: my shoulder's tight or my left hip is tight, you
Speaker 2: should probably do a couple of things to warm that
Speaker 2: up so that your brain can try and use it
Speaker 2: when you play. Because if you don't, guess what, your
Speaker 2: brain's going to figure out a way to get it
Speaker 2: done without your hip and you're gonna use your knee
Speaker 2: or your lower back, and when you're done playing golf,
Speaker 2: you're gonna go, damn, my bag's killing me. Obviously, we
Speaker 2: would think you should go find somebody who can do
Speaker 2: a TPI screen on you, right and you can find
Speaker 2: somebody anywhere in the world right now, with probably within
Speaker 2: a twenty minute drive. They can do a physical screen
Speaker 2: on you. And in five minutes, we can build you
Speaker 2: a workout program on our app that it can be
Speaker 2: five minutes, it could be sixty minutes, whatever you want,
Speaker 2: and it and really take a lot of the guessing
Speaker 2: out out of her. Like I'm sure you guys screen
Speaker 2: every player that walks in. First thing you do, and.
Speaker 1: The screen that you're talking about, I think you guys
Speaker 1: at TPI, you and Dave were the first ones to
Speaker 1: kind of systemize a way to say, Okay, these are
Speaker 1: what we know the body needs to do to swing
Speaker 1: a golf club, right, these are the things that we
Speaker 1: know that your body is going to be asked to do.
Speaker 1: These are the things.
Speaker 2: Story, this is not how we did it. Let me
Speaker 2: tell you how we did it. Okay, how we came
Speaker 2: with the screen. So the screen what we did is
Speaker 2: because glaud you know this. If I sat down and
Speaker 2: I said, let's sake, I took the ten top golf
Speaker 2: coaches in the world and I sat down, I said,
Speaker 2: let's all agree on how you swing a golf club,
Speaker 2: how's that going to go? It'd be World War five? Right.
Speaker 2: So we always say, listen, there's a million ways of swing,
Speaker 2: but we said, can we all agree on these are
Speaker 2: things you shouldn't do? Which is really interesting. If you
Speaker 2: sat down the top ten golf coaches and said, hey,
Speaker 2: should you swing over the top all of them will
Speaker 2: probably say probably not right, you know. So we went
Speaker 2: through and this took a while to try and identify
Speaker 2: we called the big fifteen. Now, the fifteen most common
Speaker 2: let's say, biomechanical compensations or swing characteristics that most coaches
Speaker 2: would say, you probably shouldn't do that, it's going to
Speaker 2: make you worse. Right. So once we identified these characteristics,
Speaker 2: like like over the top, then we said, okay, what's
Speaker 2: physically required to not come over the top. So basically
Speaker 2: we went through and we tried to identify all the
Speaker 2: physical things that you had to do so that you
Speaker 2: couldn't do these fifteen bad things. Once we identified those
Speaker 2: physical things, we said, how can we quickly screen to
Speaker 2: see if you have those? And that's how the screen
Speaker 2: was born.
Speaker 1: So talk me through what the fifteen are, because I
Speaker 1: think all of the terms that you're going to throw out,
Speaker 1: some of them will be maybe new terms, but I
Speaker 1: think a lot of these are going to be terms
Speaker 1: that golfers are used to hearing, regardless of their handicap level.
Speaker 1: But because I think it really is on yeah, the
Speaker 1: big issues that we are going to look at.
Speaker 2: Here's the big ones. Okay, So sway right, So in
Speaker 2: the backswing, if you move excessively too far away from
Speaker 2: the target right uh, so you get your center of
Speaker 2: weight outside you're Let's say, if you're a right handed player,
Speaker 2: you sway to the right too far. Now, lattle motion
Speaker 2: is a very important part of the golf swing, but
Speaker 2: a lot of times if you sway too much, a
Speaker 2: lot of times you've added a new timing component and
Speaker 2: it can create problems. So if you look at the
Speaker 2: best players in the world, there's not a lot of
Speaker 2: excessive movement away from the target during the backswing. And
Speaker 2: then the opposite of that is slide on the downswing
Speaker 2: if you just keep going left versus pushing from the
Speaker 2: ground properly and creating rotation, So sway and slide. Now,
Speaker 2: with that sane sway and slide, you can do something
Speaker 2: called hanging back. If you sway and you stay on
Speaker 2: your right side and you just twist, that can create
Speaker 2: all kinds of problems without the weight ship. And then
Speaker 2: add one more we have something called reverse pivot, which
Speaker 2: is in the backswing, most players their trail leg and
Speaker 2: then they moved to the lead leg. But some players
Speaker 2: moved to their lead leg in the backswing and they
Speaker 2: moved to their trail leg in the downswing. So a
Speaker 2: lot of these are weight ship problems. Then we have
Speaker 2: one of the biggest problems, especially with professional golfers, something
Speaker 2: called early extension.
Speaker 1: And explain what that is, because that's a term that
Speaker 1: I say a lot. I think it's starting to get
Speaker 1: in kind of professional golf. We talk about it on
Speaker 1: TV a lot. But I think it's probably the thing
Speaker 1: GREG on a daily basis giving regular golfers golf lessons.
Speaker 1: It's the number one thing that I see all the time.
Speaker 1: And it's also probably the thing that I see people
Speaker 1: have no concept of as a concept either they don't
Speaker 1: they don't know their lower body is supposed to work
Speaker 1: the way it is. So that early extension, that rust
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'll tell you. So, first of all, I
Speaker 2: came up with that word early extension is probably that's
Speaker 2: more of a meta word, so it probably wasn't the
Speaker 2: greatest of golf terminology. I do. There was a there's
Speaker 2: a great golf professional by the name of Wayne De Francisco.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know Wayne, but I used
Speaker 2: to work with Wayne way back in the mid nineties
Speaker 2: and he was working on my golf swing and he's like,
Speaker 2: why do you keep thrusting? You keep thrusting, and he
Speaker 2: showed me this, and I was like, man, and I
Speaker 2: started seeing this with all a lot of my players.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I think a lot of people do this.
Speaker 2: And I was what I was saying. I was like,
Speaker 2: you're supposed to stay flexed from your hips a little
Speaker 2: bit longer, but I kept early extending out of my hips.
Speaker 2: In other words, if you look from down the line
Speaker 2: the down to the target line, and you put a
Speaker 2: line behind my butt in the downswing or in the backswing,
Speaker 2: my lower body started to move towards the golf ball. Right.
Speaker 2: Now there's the space between your belt buckle and the
Speaker 2: golf ball. Right when you set up to a ball,
Speaker 2: there's a certain distance you get it from the ball.
Speaker 2: I always say that space in front of you is
Speaker 2: for your hands in the club. If your lower body
Speaker 2: invades that space and your lower body moves towards the
Speaker 2: golf ball, first of all, it'll force you to stand
Speaker 2: up taller as your lower body moves close to the ball.
Speaker 2: But now there's no space for your hands in the
Speaker 2: club to go. So you have to figure out how
Speaker 2: to get this job done, and you're either going to
Speaker 2: try and flip the club and create this hook that happens,
Speaker 2: or you're gonna get stuck. Your arms are gonna get
Speaker 2: stuck behind, You're gonna leave the face open and it
Speaker 2: creates the block. Now, the problem with the early extension
Speaker 2: is it creates both misses. You have the block to
Speaker 2: the right and the hook to the left, and as
Speaker 2: you know, it's kind of hard to play golf when
Speaker 2: you have both misses. You're not sure which way it's
Speaker 2: going right. So this early extension to me, I was like,
Speaker 2: why are people moving towards the ball instead of rotating?
Speaker 2: You know, this is a rotational sport. I'm like, why
Speaker 2: am I doing this? And it's just such an easy
Speaker 2: compensation strategy to stand up if you can't rotate, it
Speaker 2: just makes sense. It's almost like you're chopping wood. You're
Speaker 2: up and down, up and down versus twisting. And as
Speaker 2: you know, you know, there's lots of reasons why people
Speaker 2: don't twist, and early said, if you have any rotation
Speaker 2: problems or if you don't know how to use the
Speaker 2: ground properly, early extensions is probably in your future. And
Speaker 2: then make it even worse you go get club fit,
Speaker 2: and the club fitter says, oh, it looks like your
Speaker 2: toes hitting the ground, so we're gonna bend your club's
Speaker 2: a little upright to get at your the bottom of
Speaker 2: the contact better. And maybe because your handles standing up
Speaker 2: because you're standing up, maybe the club needs to be longer.
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden you get fit to a
Speaker 2: club that only works if you early extend, and we
Speaker 2: have players. If you're if you're long and upright, you
Speaker 2: better look is your butt moving towards the ball, because
Speaker 2: if you aren't, you've been fit into a problem. Right,
Speaker 2: So early sent is definitely one of the most common
Speaker 2: one of the things.
Speaker 1: After learning about early extension, Ryan Carsler, who you know,
Speaker 1: we used to come out and see you guys all
Speaker 1: the time. Ryan came up with the anti early extension club.
Speaker 1: So he took a seven iron, made it two inches short,
Speaker 1: made it really really flat. If you early extend, meaning
Speaker 1: if you stand up, your hips go closer to the
Speaker 1: golf ball and that upper body goes back. If you
Speaker 1: do that with the golf club, this is two inches.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's where Ryan saw it. He
Speaker 1: saw you guys do it with Padra, that's the introducing pain.
Speaker 2: Like you said, you know, if you want to change
Speaker 2: a motor pattern, introduce pain early extent with that club.
Speaker 2: It's pain. The ball goes everywhere, right, so it's trying
Speaker 2: to figure out how to how to not do that
Speaker 2: can be very motivational.
Speaker 1: Also, that the way that lower body works in the
Speaker 1: downswing to where the lower body, the pelvis kind of
Speaker 1: everything kind of below your belt buckle when on the
Speaker 1: downswing that gets closer to the ball. You told me
Speaker 1: also once about how your upper body and your lower
Speaker 1: body work. Whichever direction your lower body goes, your upper
Speaker 1: body is going to go in the opposite direction, mainly
Speaker 1: just to keep you from falling over to fine balance.
Speaker 1: So think about how many people that are listening right
Speaker 1: now to where their number, their one and two misses
Speaker 1: are with their irons. They either hit the golf ball
Speaker 1: thin or they hit the golf ball heavy. And how
Speaker 1: many players have you seen over the years, Greg that say,
Speaker 1: really after about my nine iron, I never take a
Speaker 1: dibbot with any of my irons, right, And if I
Speaker 1: do take a dibbot, it's behind the golf ball. I
Speaker 1: hit the golf ball fat. Whenever I see that, I
Speaker 1: immediately go to, okay, what is their lower body? That's
Speaker 1: the first place I go when I see a player
Speaker 1: greg struggling with contact, I immediately want to know, is
Speaker 1: okay are they early extending on the on the on
Speaker 1: the on the downscreen. But the other thing, and you
Speaker 1: could talk about this better than I could. There are
Speaker 1: a lot of players on the backswing that are early extending.
Speaker 1: And we see that when on the backswing the weight
Speaker 1: if you're right handed golfer, on your back swing, when
Speaker 1: the weight massively goes to your toes on the on
Speaker 1: on the backswing, especially on your right toe.
Speaker 2: So on the.
Speaker 1: Backswing, that weight it's way over on the right toe,
Speaker 1: the pelvis, the lower body is sometimes getting closer to
Speaker 1: the golf ball on the backswing, and it's very hard
Speaker 1: for then the lower body to get away from the
Speaker 1: golf ball on the downswing.
Speaker 2: I mean, I hate to make it like obvious, but
Speaker 2: I always say, like, okay, let's say you're I know,
Speaker 2: you have your facilion Dubai. Let's say you're on a
Speaker 2: skyscraper there and you're at the top, you're at the
Speaker 2: top floor, and you're like, hey, the buildings swaying too much.
Speaker 2: It's moving too much. Right, Are you going to work
Speaker 2: on the top floor? Are you going to go look
Speaker 2: at the foundation? Right? You know, it's like if the
Speaker 2: club is doing things and it's moving in different ways
Speaker 2: up here, Bone's like, oh, it's just got to fix
Speaker 2: their hands. I'm like, look at the foundation, it's moving
Speaker 2: all over the place, right, Like. It's kind of hard.
Speaker 2: It has to compensate based on what's happening with the
Speaker 2: lawer body. If your lower body moves too far to
Speaker 2: the left, your upbody's going to side, then too far
Speaker 2: to the right. All these things are there to keep
Speaker 2: you upright, to keep you balanced right. That's why is
Speaker 2: the building swinging. It's trying to compensate, trying to balance
Speaker 2: itself out right. So you know, early extension, like you said,
Speaker 2: can happen in the backswing, especially if you have to
Speaker 2: think about it. If it's hard for you to turn
Speaker 2: your spine to the right and it's hard for you
Speaker 2: to rotate into your right hip, it'll probably happen in
Speaker 2: the back swinging. If it's hard for you to rotate
Speaker 2: to the left or on your left tip, it's probably
Speaker 2: gonna hurt in the early extent. In the dan swing,
Speaker 2: and then we have people we call unstable early extenders.
Speaker 2: They early extend the backswing and then they add more
Speaker 2: in the dance wing right, and they want to know, like, hey,
Speaker 2: how can I shake the ball every once in a while,
Speaker 2: Like you're two inches to five inches closer to the
Speaker 2: golf ball than you were it set up. I go,
Speaker 2: the fact that you actually hit the hozzle was a miracle. Right,
Speaker 2: you're moving so close right.
Speaker 1: So chicken winging. I think that's another thing. When you
Speaker 1: give golf lessons to everyday golfers, like like I do
Speaker 1: and like you do. You see that kind of right
Speaker 1: elbow if they're a right handed golfer, that left elbow
Speaker 1: kind of getting in that chicken wing. From that down
Speaker 1: the line, you'll see that elbow. What are some of
Speaker 1: the issues if you have that kind of chicken wing
Speaker 1: over the top move that an enormous amount of people
Speaker 1: doc living listening to this podcast are going to have, right,
Speaker 1: they are going to have that kind of over the
Speaker 1: top move and then that pull across to where that
Speaker 1: left elbow if you're a left hand, right handed golfer
Speaker 1: gets into that chicken wing, what are some of the
Speaker 1: things to look at and some of the ways to
Speaker 1: address that.
Speaker 2: Okay, So, first of all, chicken winging anytime on the downswing,
Speaker 2: if your lead shoulder is internally rotating versus externally rotating,
Speaker 2: creates called chicken wing, and the backswing we call it
Speaker 2: flying elbow, like if you're instead of rotating, if you're
Speaker 2: like a Fred Couples has like our John Daley as
Speaker 2: a frying elbow, where the tiger woods would have more
Speaker 2: of an externally rotated So this can happen the backswing
Speaker 2: you're downswing. The captain obvious thing here is, of course,
Speaker 2: if your shoulders don't have mobility or your forms can't rotate,
Speaker 2: it can create these things. But that is not the
Speaker 2: most common cause of chicken winging or flying elbow. Chicken winging,
Speaker 2: like you said, a lot of times, is a result
Speaker 2: of trying to hit the ball straight from over the top.
Speaker 2: So in other words, over the top is when you
Speaker 2: get steep right. So usually it's your upper body starts
Speaker 2: the downswing versus your lower body. When your upper body
Speaker 2: starts the downswing, typically we start to twist too early.
Speaker 2: When your lower body starts to downswing. Usually your upper
Speaker 2: body drops in the club will shallow early, and then
Speaker 2: as you rotate, it'll go steep late. If you go
Speaker 2: steep early, you come over the top. Right now, your
Speaker 2: whole thought is how do I shallow late? Right? When
Speaker 2: you try and shallow late, there's a couple of ways
Speaker 2: to shallow or to prevent the club face from closing.
Speaker 2: One of the best ways to prevent the club face
Speaker 2: from closing is the chicken wing It almost like there
Speaker 2: are some great players that actually chicken wing or Calvin
Speaker 2: p Yeah, I mean and think about like Lee Westwood
Speaker 2: or even Jordan Speed Like, some of these guys will
Speaker 2: do this to try and prevent the club face from rotating.
Speaker 2: There's there's some guys that try and do it to
Speaker 2: keep the face as square as possible. So if you
Speaker 2: are steep in any way over the top, one of
Speaker 2: the best strategies to prevent the club from going the
Speaker 2: ball from going left is the chicken winging right. So
Speaker 2: I would say, you know, hey, let's play that game.
Speaker 2: Why again? Right? So why are you chicken winging? Oh?
Speaker 2: It's because I'm over the top? Okay, why are you
Speaker 2: over the top? Right? Most people are over the top
Speaker 2: because their lowervite is not working. Properly. Why is lower
Speaker 2: by not working properly? Like we keep playing this game
Speaker 2: like because if you can't disassociate, start with your lower
Speaker 2: body over the top is in your future, which then
Speaker 2: leads to casting, chicken winging, scooping, all the other characteristics
Speaker 2: that we talked about.
Speaker 1: Warm ups, Greg, you know, if you go to a
Speaker 1: football game, a basketball game, a baseball game, any competitive
Speaker 1: team sport, you're probably gonna want to get there for
Speaker 1: the warm up. Watch them war up the warm up
Speaker 1: for some of these. For basketball, like the NBA right now,
Speaker 1: the playoffs are going on. I mean they're there probably
Speaker 1: four hours before the game. They're doing a warm up
Speaker 1: on the court, probably two hours they're getting worked on.
Speaker 1: Golfers now, I mean you know this because you work
Speaker 1: with some of the best players in the world. They
Speaker 1: all basically have everybody. Would you say, is there anybody
Speaker 1: inside the top fifty in the world currently, Greg, that
Speaker 1: doesn't have a physical team around them.
Speaker 2: It's very rare. I think no, not in the top fifty.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know who you arrive. I mean,
Speaker 2: you got to think about it. You can't give other
Speaker 2: players any advantage, right, So I'm like it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: what it is. But if you are I like, if
Speaker 2: you take the best players in the world, their whole
Speaker 2: goal is to number one, prepare their bodies so it's
Speaker 2: not an excuse. And number two is to make it
Speaker 2: so that when they play tomorrow they feel like they
Speaker 2: didn't play yesterday, right, so they feel fresh. If you're
Speaker 2: not doing things to recover and things prepare yourself, you're
Speaker 2: just giving your competitors an advantage. And the best in
Speaker 2: the world don't want to give advantages.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, and I think that's that's the thing.
Speaker 1: But the average golfer sits all week. They don't do
Speaker 1: anything really athletic during the week. Maybe they go to
Speaker 1: the gym or maybe they don't. But I would say
Speaker 1: it's a generalization, but the majority of handicapped golfers that
Speaker 1: I work with tend to be predominantly men. They tend
Speaker 1: to basically have office jobs. They're not incredibly active. They
Speaker 1: come to the golf course and they expect their body
Speaker 1: to work without really warming it up. Give me a
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen minute warm up that a player can
Speaker 1: do that doesn't really take a lot of equipment, that
Speaker 1: they can do on the driving range in the parking
Speaker 1: lot in the locker room. Give me ten to fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes of something that players listening could do that would
Speaker 1: help their body be prepared for the movement that we're
Speaker 1: going to ask your body to do in Gulf swing.
Speaker 2: Great question, and I think this might surprise a lot
Speaker 2: of people what I say here. So I think in
Speaker 2: the past we used to think claude that you know,
Speaker 2: because we'd watch athletes in the past stretch, like you'd
Speaker 2: sit there and you do these hold stretches and we
Speaker 2: spend fifteen twenty minutes. Well, a lot of research has
Speaker 2: been done on this and stretching is very powerful and
Speaker 2: it can help us in your main workouts. But before
Speaker 2: you play, one of the last things in the world
Speaker 2: we want to do is increase your range of motion
Speaker 2: to where you're not sure, Like if I give you
Speaker 2: twenty degrees the more shoulder turn, that sounds great, but
Speaker 2: hitting the ball over the green is not great. Or
Speaker 2: not knowing how to control where the club bases this
Speaker 2: is not great before you play. So before you play,
Speaker 2: we're not trying to create new mobility. We're not trying
Speaker 2: to change your swiming. We're trying to warm up the
Speaker 2: tissue you're about to use, right, And it's more about
Speaker 2: what we call motor unit activation. I'm trying to get
Speaker 2: more of your muscles to be firing so that when
Speaker 2: they go to play, it's like they've already been warmed
Speaker 2: up and doing this. So to me, motor unit activation
Speaker 2: or warm up should be exactly what it sounds like,
Speaker 2: some type of activation of the muscles. Right. So what
Speaker 2: most players do is we take some type of band.
Speaker 2: Take any type of exercise band. You can get these
Speaker 2: anywhere from Amazon, TP you get all these bands, you
Speaker 2: attach it to a door somewhere. Right, You take the band,
Speaker 2: and what most people are going to do, if I
Speaker 2: look at the high level, even if you look at
Speaker 2: the best players in the world, part of their program
Speaker 2: is going to be this. We're going to do some
Speaker 2: type of pushing, pulling, chopping lifting right. So you might
Speaker 2: see them pulling a band right with big rotation, maybe
Speaker 2: in a lunch stants or squares stand like a golf stance,
Speaker 2: pulling right. Then we'll turn around, we'll push and we'll
Speaker 2: do pushing right, because the golf swing is a series
Speaker 2: of pulling and pushing right, So we'll do push and
Speaker 2: pull and you can do this from different angles, and
Speaker 2: then we do it's called chopping and lifting. It's like
Speaker 2: a diagonal across your body, right, because your arms are
Speaker 2: now chopping down on the golf thing. So we'll do
Speaker 2: chopping and lifting. We'll do both directions, right, So some chops,
Speaker 2: some lifts, some push, some polls. If you wanted to
Speaker 2: do like an exercise bike or something just to warm
Speaker 2: up because you're about to walk five to eight miles,
Speaker 2: or even if you're riding a cart, you're still usually
Speaker 2: have to do some walking. So some type of light
Speaker 2: activation cardio wise pushing, pulling, chopping, lifting cloud would go
Speaker 2: like a mile for most people that are doing nothing
Speaker 2: right now for warm up, as simple as that, and
Speaker 2: it could take literally five minutes to just get in
Speaker 2: there and do let's say two minutes on a bike
Speaker 2: and then three minutes of pushing, pulling, chopping and lifting,
Speaker 2: and you'll probably play with less pain just doing that.
Speaker 1: If you don't have a bike, you could do jumping jacks,
Speaker 1: you could do air squabs, you could do some light
Speaker 1: running and stuff like. And then the other thing is
Speaker 1: you said you can go online and find a piece
Speaker 1: of fair band, a piece of band that can go
Speaker 1: to my TPI dot com and get all that. You
Speaker 1: could keep it in your your your golf back, and
Speaker 1: then you could attach it to the golf cart. You
Speaker 1: could just tide around the golf cart. You could tie
Speaker 1: it to If you think about where you're sitting if
Speaker 1: you're driving the golf cart, if you're sitting above kind
Speaker 1: of where your right your left shoulder would be, there's
Speaker 1: probably going to be a handle you could attach it.
Speaker 1: That's where you could do the chop, and then you
Speaker 1: could put it put it on the side of the
Speaker 1: cart and do the push pulls.
Speaker 2: Yea, and that experiment. This isn't the greatest way to
Speaker 2: do it, but if you wanted to, like let's say
Speaker 2: you're gonna you know, you're gonna play four times this month,
Speaker 2: you can say one time, I'm gonna just warm up
Speaker 2: by doing pushing, and the next time I'm gonna warm
Speaker 2: up by doing pulling, and then the next time I
Speaker 2: gona warm up by chopping that kind of lifting, and
Speaker 2: you might notice like, hey, when I did pulling, I
Speaker 2: felt way better. You can start to try and figure
Speaker 2: out what works, or maybe it's like hey, when I
Speaker 2: warm up my hips, I felt better. But not when
Speaker 2: I had warmed up my spine like a little bit.
Speaker 2: Experimenting goes a long way. If you try something and
Speaker 2: you feel like I didn't feel any difference, you didn't
Speaker 2: do the right thing, Like it literally shouldn't. You should
Speaker 2: feel better by the time you're done than the around before.
Speaker 2: If you want up properly and then cool down, it's
Speaker 2: probably even more important, I'd say, like recovery is even
Speaker 2: more important. So you're doing tissue damage when you're playing
Speaker 2: uh to to kind of some form of recovery, and
Speaker 2: there's a million Like if you go look at some
Speaker 2: of the best players in the world now, like their
Speaker 2: houses look like recovery centers at wellness centers, right, I
Speaker 2: mean from this your typical ice bass to heat, so
Speaker 2: ice and heat people use a lot, but things like
Speaker 2: infrared SNAs, red lights, hyperbaric oxygen chambers, oh something like.
Speaker 2: There's so many different things now that are out there
Speaker 2: that if you are serious about your game and you
Speaker 2: are starting to get aches and pains, get serious about
Speaker 2: your recovery as well, can make a huge difference. Nutrition,
Speaker 2: by the way, is nutrition and sleep are the two
Speaker 2: most important for recovery, right, So if you're not getting
Speaker 2: eight hours of sleep, try and figure ou how to
Speaker 2: get it done, and then making sure you have the
Speaker 2: proper nutrients when you're just like when you're working out.
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Speaker 1: Brooks first started out on tour, on the PGA Tour,
Speaker 1: before he kind of became a superstar, he would have
Speaker 1: these spells on the back nine where like twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
Speaker 1: he'd go bogee, double bogie and we'd look at it
Speaker 1: and we start to look at it. If he was
Speaker 1: playing in the morning, he would eat breakfast. Let's say
Speaker 1: he was off early. Let's say teeing off around seven, seven, fifteen,
Speaker 1: he's getting off around four. He's eating probably around five.
Speaker 1: It's teen off at seven. There would be times early
Speaker 1: in Brooks's career where in the middle of the back
Speaker 1: nine he hadn't He doesn't. He hasn't had anything to
Speaker 1: eat since five o'clock in the morning. His brain is
Speaker 1: completely dead. Right, what should players be just the recreational golfer?
Speaker 2: Which are you doing? He just says it really important.
Speaker 2: What was his first sign? Because this is all the
Speaker 2: research shows. The first sign of nutritional problem is mental fatigue.
Speaker 2: Is making bad decisions ring day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he made bad decisions.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean people don't think. They're like, oh, but
Speaker 2: I don't feel tired. I'm like, I don't understand, Like,
Speaker 2: did you make some bad decisions out there? Because that
Speaker 2: brain fog is a nutrient problem that's coming in. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Whatever, What what should people be eating on the golf course?
Speaker 1: What should they be drinking on the golf course? Because
Speaker 1: they're all a lot of golfers that don't drink or
Speaker 1: eat anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so this is you know there again, every
Speaker 2: person's different. I hate that answer, but it's true. Some
Speaker 2: people will certain nutrients work better. But in general, there
Speaker 2: are three types of foods you can eat, right, A fat,
Speaker 2: carbohydrate or protein. Right, most people, if you go protein,
Speaker 2: it takes them a while to digest the protein and
Speaker 2: get the nutrients. Like if you're using like beef turkey,
Speaker 2: which a lot of people put because it's easy in
Speaker 2: the bag, they can do it. But just to know,
Speaker 2: like you if you're like, man, I need some energy
Speaker 2: right now, and you need a beef jerkey, it's going
Speaker 2: to take you a couple holes before, if at least,
Speaker 2: for that to kind of kick in. Then there's carbohydrates.
Speaker 2: Carbohydrates like a banana, right, fruits, vegetables. If you if
Speaker 2: you eat a banana, it's a very quick rush, right,
Speaker 2: so it's it's cype fruit. Does it gets into your
Speaker 2: blood sugar right away? You can get the energy, but
Speaker 2: it creates these ups and downs your blood sugar. So
Speaker 2: it's like, if you're going to do carbohydrates, then I
Speaker 2: wouldn't make a schedule like every two holes you're eating
Speaker 2: something or drinking something just to try and keep that
Speaker 2: because you need to keep it flushed in there. So
Speaker 2: what most players use, believe it or not. And like
Speaker 2: I said, when I say most seventy percent, so there's
Speaker 2: thirty percent aren't doing this. They're using carbohydrate or protein.
Speaker 2: Like it would be fats, right, So fats number one,
Speaker 2: you get more energy per killed calorie of energy of
Speaker 2: fat that you get in there, and it's slow sustained
Speaker 2: blood sugar release. And what's the most common fat would
Speaker 2: be nuts and seeds. So like some type of trail mix,
Speaker 2: some type of bars with the you know, you see
Speaker 2: these all over the place. They're very stable in the bag.
Speaker 2: And I think you know, between that and like these,
Speaker 2: the carbohydrates are probably the most common that people use
Speaker 2: during the course. But nothing is going to fix a
Speaker 2: crappy diet though, Claudes, right. So, like like you said,
Speaker 2: hopefully Brooks's breakfast was good, right, If you've got crap
Speaker 2: for breakfasts and then the golf cart comes around with
Speaker 2: the food and you're grabbing a Snickers and a gatorade
Speaker 2: and it's just more sugar and it's it's it's hard
Speaker 2: to repair on the golf course right, So you know, Uh,
Speaker 2: to me, I always say, it's just general new tditional
Speaker 2: advice if you're again, if you take your game serious.
Speaker 2: The easiest nutritional advice I was ever told was take
Speaker 2: your plate of food, whatever food you're about to eat, right,
Speaker 2: and if you look at the quantity of fats, carbohydrate,
Speaker 2: and protein, if it is about half carbohydrate, a quarter fat,
Speaker 2: a quarter protein, you're doing pretty good as long as
Speaker 2: you're picking the right carbohydrates fats in it, right, So
Speaker 2: that's kind of a good mixture. But if it's like
Speaker 2: if you look at your meal and you're like, this
Speaker 2: is one hundred percent fat, or this is one hundred
Speaker 2: percent carbohydrate, it's one hundred percent of protein, it's probably
Speaker 2: not the best.
Speaker 1: Our. Everybody's trying to hit the golf ball further. Players
Speaker 1: now are hitting the golf ball further than they ever have.
Speaker 1: You kind of started out in the long drive world.
Speaker 1: But when we're talking about power in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: Greg something that I think a lot of people listening
Speaker 1: to the pod are going to be hearing on a
Speaker 1: regular basis now on TV. They're hearing players talk about it,
Speaker 1: they're hearing commentators ground force reaction how players are using
Speaker 1: the ground. How can we explain that to everyone listening
Speaker 1: so they have an understanding of what it means, but
Speaker 1: also how they can start to identify how they're using
Speaker 1: the ground force reactions and how they can better use
Speaker 1: them for power.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is really a it's been like a
Speaker 2: tidal wave of information over the last five to ten years,
Speaker 2: and it's really because of technology. Right. We now have
Speaker 2: these force plates on the ground where we can measure
Speaker 2: what the players are doing when they use their feet
Speaker 2: or when they push from the ground. And what we
Speaker 2: found is and Newton knew this long time ago, right,
Speaker 2: he has these He had this law, this third law
Speaker 2: whereas there's an equal opsic reaction where if I push
Speaker 2: into the ground with one hundred pounds, the ground's going
Speaker 2: to push back in one hundred pounds, right, And that
Speaker 2: force that we put into the ground, as it the
Speaker 2: ground pushes back into us, we can use that force
Speaker 2: to create rotation and power. Right. And what we've what
Speaker 2: we've found is that if you look at the best
Speaker 2: players in the world, we used to think, I'm sure
Speaker 2: back in the day Claude, we used to think like,
Speaker 2: let's look at their lead leged impact right, and we're like,
Speaker 2: you know, it needs to be firm and planted and solid.
Speaker 2: And there's we used to call it posting up on
Speaker 2: the left side right right. Well, I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: know if anybody does that anymore. Like if you look
Speaker 2: at Scotty Shot, I don't even think it's what's on
Speaker 2: the ground at impact. Right. So if you look at
Speaker 2: we've learned so much about these ground reaction forces. There's
Speaker 2: a couple of things that I think are reported for
Speaker 2: people who know. Number one, the best players in the world,
Speaker 2: they do it way earlier than you think. Right, if
Speaker 2: you're looking at impact, it's too late. Because Newton also
Speaker 2: had his first law was an object at rest stays
Speaker 2: at rest unless some type of force is applied to it.
Speaker 2: You need to push from the ground to be able
Speaker 2: to move. Right, So when you push from the ground,
Speaker 2: a chain reaction happens that makes you move. If you're
Speaker 2: trying to push at impact, it's too late. It already
Speaker 2: the movement already started. Right. So the best players in
Speaker 2: the world they push from the ground right between the
Speaker 2: top of the backs swing and shaft vertical right, that's
Speaker 2: when they push. Because now that energy needs to go
Speaker 2: from your lower body to your trunk to your arms
Speaker 2: to the club. If you start pushing later, it's too late.
Speaker 2: You can't get it to the club. So the number
Speaker 2: one rule of ground reaction for us is is the
Speaker 2: best players in the world they do it way earlier
Speaker 2: than amateurs. Amateurs are always late. I'm like, you're trying
Speaker 2: to You're trying to push from the ground at impact.
Speaker 2: I'm like that this have to happened way earlier. So
Speaker 2: the first thing we're realizing is how soon these things happen, right.
Speaker 2: And it's one of the I use an example that
Speaker 2: I hope this comes across on a podcast I do.
Speaker 2: I teach my players something called a golf vertical jump.
Speaker 2: I have ever done this with you? No? Okay, So
Speaker 2: to me this, out of all the things we try
Speaker 2: to use, rotary chairs, all stuff, I feel like this
Speaker 2: is the one that gives the biggest light bulb moment.
Speaker 2: And that is if I said, okay, I want you
Speaker 2: to jump, right, most people, if I say do a
Speaker 2: vertical jump, They're gonna squat, their arms are going to
Speaker 2: go down, and as they jump, their arms are gonna
Speaker 2: go up. Right. Can I see us on this or
Speaker 2: this is this a video podcast or just down okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: So so basically what you're gonna do is if you
Speaker 2: stand up and try this. Okay, if I say, just
Speaker 2: do a counter movement of jump, you're gonna squat and jump.
Speaker 2: You'll notice when you squat, your arms are gonna go
Speaker 2: down and as you jump, your arms are gonna go up.
Speaker 2: I want you to now do a golf jump, which
Speaker 2: is the complete opposite. As you squat, I want you
Speaker 2: to raise your arms up and as you jump, I
Speaker 2: want you to drive your arms down. Right when you
Speaker 2: do that, you're gonna realize that when your legs jump,
Speaker 2: your legs can actually drive your arms down. And that's
Speaker 2: what happens in the golf swing. And the golf swing
Speaker 2: is on the top of the back swing, there's a
Speaker 2: little squat as they start the down swing. The jump
Speaker 2: with the legs drives the arms down. It's not the
Speaker 2: arms come down and then you try and jump your legs.
Speaker 2: It's the legs drive the arms. And if you do
Speaker 2: this at home and you do a jump this time,
Speaker 2: when you do the jump, once you get that feeling
Speaker 2: because it's weird, it's like backwards to lift your arms
Speaker 2: up and squat and then jump and drive your arms down.
Speaker 2: Try and do it, but try and jump backwards a
Speaker 2: little bit right. Don't jump closer to the ball. Jump
Speaker 2: farther away from the ball. So as you squat and
Speaker 2: you jump away from the the golf bar will jump backwards.
Speaker 2: You'll start to feel what the best players in the
Speaker 2: world do in transition. And if you take it one
Speaker 2: step further, if I say, okay, I want you to
Speaker 2: take your hands together. Instead of just lifting your hands up,
Speaker 2: take your hands over your right shoulder for a right
Speaker 2: handed player, squat and then as you jump, I want
Speaker 2: you to feel like you're jumping with maybe twice as
Speaker 2: much from your leave foot as your trail foot. And
Speaker 2: make sure you jump backwards. When you do that, look
Speaker 2: at your feet. You'll be like, man, my feet, just it,
Speaker 2: just just jump backwards and move. And I'll say look
Speaker 2: at your feet, and I'll go look at Scotti Scheffler's
Speaker 2: feet because that's exactly what he's doing right right, And
Speaker 2: it's it's like a light bulb because what we've found
Speaker 2: is that when you actually shake the handle of the
Speaker 2: whip first, the tip of the whip goes a lot faster, right.
Speaker 2: So what we've been finding is that a lot of
Speaker 2: people are just trying to crack the tip of the
Speaker 2: whip by just moving the tip of the whip, and
Speaker 2: we're like, no, you actually should shake the handle first,
Speaker 2: and then the energy transfers through your body and that's
Speaker 2: where that that ground reaction force comes in that.
Speaker 1: I think we've been able to measure now and like
Speaker 1: you said, the best players in the world, a lot
Speaker 1: of things are happening much earlier than the average golfer.
Speaker 1: A lot of things happened earlier for the best players
Speaker 1: in the world. And one of the things that I
Speaker 1: think we've known for a while that is a tough
Speaker 1: one for the average golfer is I think in an
Speaker 1: effort to get power, a lot of players make that big,
Speaker 1: massive move off the golf ball over to the right
Speaker 1: and then, as you said, they're trying to get back
Speaker 1: over to their left, but they're doing it at impact.
Speaker 1: Victor Houghlin's become a member at my club, the Floridian,
Speaker 1: and we've got swing catalysts and stuff. So anytime any
Speaker 1: good players are around, I'm like, listen, can we just
Speaker 1: get you on swing catalyst to see what it is
Speaker 1: that you're doing. I mainly am doing it just so
Speaker 1: I can kind of see what the best players in
Speaker 1: the world are doing. And we got on swing cat
Speaker 1: and when his left when his hands were about in
Speaker 1: line with his right thigh, he had ninety percent of
Speaker 1: his pressure on his right side, but his body hadn't moved.
Speaker 1: There hadn't been any movement with his upper body or
Speaker 1: his lower body. And then by the time his arms
Speaker 1: got about his hands got about shoulder height, he already
Speaker 1: had seventy to eighty percent of his weight already going
Speaker 1: to his left foot, his lead foot, before he even
Speaker 1: changed it. I think so many golfers like they're trying
Speaker 1: to wind it up so much they get over on
Speaker 1: their right side, they're trying to make that big shoulder turn,
Speaker 1: and then they just get stuck over there.
Speaker 2: I think what you just what you just said is
Speaker 2: very very important. Is when you're looking at a force
Speaker 2: plate or even a pressure mat, which a lot of
Speaker 2: people will get on those, right now, you're looking at
Speaker 2: how much force they're pushing into the ground. So when
Speaker 2: you says Victor was pushing ninety percent of his pushes
Speaker 2: coming from his right leg, So think this through and
Speaker 2: it's happening.
Speaker 1: Greg Like, if we were looking at slow motion frames,
Speaker 1: it's like three frames off the golf ball.
Speaker 2: Think about this. When you push with your right foot
Speaker 2: into the ground, most people move left right.
Speaker 1: How do I move left?
Speaker 2: I push from my right leg to move left. So
Speaker 2: when people see the force plate going hey, it's ninety
Speaker 2: percent right, I'm like, because he's already starting to push
Speaker 2: left right, he's it's not that he's moving to the right.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people make this mistake. They go, oh, look,
Speaker 2: I got to move ninety percent on my body to
Speaker 2: the right, and then I got to move my ninety
Speaker 2: percent of my body to the left. I'm like, no, no,
Speaker 2: that's where they're pushing right. So it's actually the opposite.
Speaker 2: They're pushing from their right leg to move left, and
Speaker 2: then they push from their left leg, which pushes them backwards.
Speaker 2: So it's it's the opposite of what you're thinking. Right
Speaker 2: to most players, they look at force and they go, oh,
Speaker 2: it's weight shift. I'm like, no, no, no, I never
Speaker 2: said weight shift. I said how much you're pushing right.
Speaker 2: So what you just said, which is really important, is
Speaker 2: most players they already start to they start to push
Speaker 2: from their right leg in the back, and then early
Speaker 2: they started pushing from their left to create this vertical jump.
Speaker 2: We just talked about this vertical it's not that they
Speaker 2: move right and move left. Yes, there's a little bit
Speaker 2: of right and left movement, but most players are pretty centered.
Speaker 2: There's not a ton of movement right. I think people
Speaker 2: misunderstand ground force and weight shift is really yeah, they're.
Speaker 1: Basic historic thumbs, Greg. I think historically, because people are
Speaker 1: so afraid of moving. You know, everybody I talk to
Speaker 1: is saying, Oh, I don't want to sway, I don't
Speaker 1: want to slide, you know, I want to try and
Speaker 1: but I still want to try and get power. And
Speaker 1: then what has everybody historically been told, Hey, you got
Speaker 1: to get your left shoulder behind the golf ball. But
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times what happens is if
Speaker 1: you think about the buttons on your shirt. What I
Speaker 1: was talking about what Victor Hoblin does is he's got
Speaker 1: ninety percent of his pressure in his right foot when
Speaker 1: his hands are kind of when his triangle of his
Speaker 1: arms are kind of right over his right thigh.
Speaker 2: But the buttons on.
Speaker 1: His shirt haven't even moved right. It's just what's happening
Speaker 1: with the lower body.
Speaker 2: You can stand if anybody if you stand up and
Speaker 2: I said, okay, I feel like you're pushing from your
Speaker 2: right like push from your left leg. You can do
Speaker 2: that without moving right. I can push into the ground
Speaker 2: without moving. I don't have to like I said, I
Speaker 2: don't have to wait shift. Now there is there is
Speaker 2: a normal kinetic sequence that happens. We talk about kinematic sequence,
Speaker 2: which is basically the sequence how your body moves. But
Speaker 2: there's a kinetic sequence, which is the forces that you use.
Speaker 2: And typically what happens like you just described in the
Speaker 2: middle of the back swing, like I was just with
Speaker 2: John Rahm a couple of days ago, like talk about
Speaker 2: starting the earliest. I mean, he doesn't even have a
Speaker 2: back so he starts right. So so basically in the
Speaker 2: middle of the back swing, they start to push with
Speaker 2: their trail leg so that they can start to go
Speaker 2: forward right. Because remember if I push from my right
Speaker 2: usually it makes me go left right. So they're starting
Speaker 2: early to push from their trail leg and creates a
Speaker 2: linear mood. So the first force we see is a
Speaker 2: linear move right from right to left, and it's a
Speaker 2: push from the trailer the lead leg. Then we see
Speaker 2: what's we call frontel plane torque, which is like a
Speaker 2: rocking motion where they bring their right shoulder down. For
Speaker 2: a right handed player, that's what helps shallow the club.
Speaker 2: It's like a twisting right. Then the next thing you
Speaker 2: do is you see the actually rotation. Right, they start
Speaker 2: to twist and rotate, and then there's that vertical jump.
Speaker 2: That's the normal kinetic sequence. It's lateral rock twist jump,
Speaker 2: and all of that occurs before the shafts vertical right.
Speaker 2: So you got to if you don't start in the
Speaker 2: middle of the back swing, I'm sorry, you got no chance,
Speaker 2: or you're gonna have a different kinetic sequence than the
Speaker 2: best players in the world.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a girl that I've had her on the
Speaker 1: pod before, but Marina Alex who I work with. She
Speaker 1: plays the LPGA. Marina is in her you know, early thirties, right,
Speaker 1: she's five 'ot three. She's had some back issues. She
Speaker 1: played at Manderbolk. She's a two time winner on the
Speaker 1: on the LPGA. She's played on the Solheim Cup. She
Speaker 1: carries the golf ball with her driver right around that
Speaker 1: two twenty five to two thirty in the air right.
Speaker 1: But she's always been trying. When I first started working
Speaker 1: with her, you know, three years ago, she was trying
Speaker 1: to get all the power in the backswing, specifically with
Speaker 1: the driver. We'd see her at the top of her backswing, Greg,
Speaker 1: get ninety percent of her weight on her right side,
Speaker 1: make this and this big, massive move over to the right.
Speaker 1: The problem is that five, if you're Dustin Johnson, if
Speaker 1: you're Rory McElroy, if you're John Rahman, you have that
Speaker 1: massive amount of speed, you can manage that. But if
Speaker 1: you don't have and the average golfer doesn't have a
Speaker 1: lot of club hit speed and a lot of ball speed.
Speaker 1: So in Marina's case, she would make this big move
Speaker 1: in an effort to try and do the right thing,
Speaker 1: get power, but then with the driver she'd just get
Speaker 1: stuck on the right side, never really get back to
Speaker 1: the left. And so one of the things that we've
Speaker 1: done is over the last couple of years is we've
Speaker 1: just basically stabilized her and said listen, don't try and
Speaker 1: move off the golf ball, stay centered and get left
Speaker 1: as early as you possibly can. And one thing it
Speaker 1: has done, Greg, is it help clean up the contact issues.
Speaker 2: You know, make one little I would make one little recommendation.
Speaker 2: It would be to try and say, push from the
Speaker 2: left as soon as you can, don't have to wait,
Speaker 2: shift to the left as soon as you can right.
Speaker 2: So I think that that's so they don't misinterpret that,
Speaker 2: because you can get onto your left and still not
Speaker 2: push from your left right. So then and then I
Speaker 2: always say, listen, there's if I take our whole power.
Speaker 2: We have a whole class on power, and if I
Speaker 2: take all the research out there, there's only three ways
Speaker 2: at ebol farther right, apply more force, right, apply more speed.
Speaker 2: Power in physics is force time's velocity or strength time speed.
Speaker 2: So I can get more force, more stronger, or I
Speaker 2: can get faster. Right now, I can do those in
Speaker 2: the gym. I get stronger and faster like John Ram's
Speaker 2: got it. He's a massive man, right, so he can
Speaker 2: apply a lot of force. So you got either two options.
Speaker 2: Get stronger, apply more force, get faster, apply on more speed.
Speaker 2: Or the third option is apply that force or speed
Speaker 2: for more time. Now, this is an important one, right,
Speaker 2: Like imagine if I put you on a chair with wheels,
Speaker 2: and I put you one foot away from a wall,
Speaker 2: I got behind you and I pushed you into the wall. Okay,
Speaker 2: I could hurt you, but I couldn't kill you. If
Speaker 2: we took thirty feet away from the wall, and now
Speaker 2: I had a thirty foot ramp time to run and
Speaker 2: plyw you into the wall, I can do a lot
Speaker 2: more damage because I have more time to apply that
Speaker 2: force and velocity. So there's only three ways in a ball.
Speaker 2: Part of there more force, more velocity, more speed, or
Speaker 2: more time. Like what is John Daly did way back
Speaker 2: in the day. What is done? They take this really
Speaker 2: long backswing so they have more time to apply force.
Speaker 2: The taller I am some of the long drive guys
Speaker 2: that can take the club way farther than the ball,
Speaker 2: they have more time. A five foot three female doesn't
Speaker 2: have a lot of time too, So it sounded like
Speaker 2: she was trying to get more time by going over here,
Speaker 2: but it was costing her force and speed, right. So
Speaker 2: it's this, it's this interplay between these things where if
Speaker 2: you take this longer swing, but now you're not applying
Speaker 2: the force because it's too late. Like if you apply
Speaker 2: the force late, that's not a zero force. It can
Speaker 2: all work against each other. So you've got to you've
Speaker 2: got to remember all three are important. And to me,
Speaker 2: like speed, you should just work on getting faster and
Speaker 2: anything you do like our guys do sprinting mechanics, they're
Speaker 2: doing medical balls, they're doing jumping things that get just
Speaker 2: to make their nervous system faster. Obviously, force, any type
Speaker 2: of strength training is going to help you. Right, Hitting
Speaker 2: golf balls helps you, but pushing, pulling, all the things
Speaker 2: we've talked about applying force and then mobility is what
Speaker 2: allows you to get the time right. So that's why
Speaker 2: all those pieces need to be part of a program.
Speaker 1: And then the other part you talked about the stability
Speaker 1: and the mobility. I think it was Dave Philips said
Speaker 1: that you guys did some massive speed games with Cameron
Speaker 1: Chengali when he was playing on the PGA Tour before
Speaker 1: he went to live. I think there was a year
Speaker 1: where he made the biggest junk jump in in driving distance,
Speaker 1: club hit speed and stuff. He said that Cam came out,
Speaker 1: came out to TPI, I was talking to you guys
Speaker 1: about all stuff he wanted to try and do to
Speaker 1: hit the golf ball further. What are some things that
Speaker 1: he could do in the gym and start and I
Speaker 1: think it was you that said that's not great. Have
Speaker 1: you ever just thought about the swinging the club faster,
Speaker 1: meaning drive the car faster? And I think a lot
Speaker 1: of times everyone thinks, oh, I don't want my golf
Speaker 1: swing I got quick. I don't want to swing too fast.
Speaker 1: But to hit the golf ball further, you have to
Speaker 1: move the tool, which is the golf club. You have
Speaker 1: to move it faster to hit the golf ball further.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of times golfers are afraid
Speaker 1: to make fast, powerful golf swings because they've been told, no,
Speaker 1: it's got to be tempo tempo, tempo tempo.
Speaker 2: I've got some great advice for this. I got great advice.
Speaker 2: So first of all, Okay, like you said, most of
Speaker 2: the best players in the world are not swinging ninety percent,
Speaker 2: they're swinging one hundred and five percent, right, So if
Speaker 2: you're trying to get out there and guide it in,
Speaker 2: you're nervous they're going to blow it by you am
Speaker 2: out right, So how do you get to the point
Speaker 2: where it's moving fast but you're not scared? To me,
Speaker 2: and this is the biggest governor or barrier on golfers
Speaker 2: is they're scared to practice fast because they think it's
Speaker 2: going to be erratic. So what we do is we
Speaker 2: play a game that we came up with called three
Speaker 2: strikes a baseball game, right, And I'm telling you, Claude,
Speaker 2: this never fails. Right, So what we do is we
Speaker 2: get a launch monitor. It doesn't matter to get a
Speaker 2: little prgru to a track man, doesn't matter. That can
Speaker 2: measure clubheed speed. Go out, go out to your range
Speaker 2: and just do like, Okay, your life depends on hitting
Speaker 2: the fairway. I call this your cruising Like. I want
Speaker 2: to make sure you hit the fairway. Do two swings
Speaker 2: and record your clubhead speed and your ball speed. Right,
Speaker 2: clubhead speed's more important. I like to look at the
Speaker 2: club at speed. Let's say you're cruising speeds one hundred
Speaker 2: miles an hour, right, and you're like that, I know
Speaker 2: I can hit the fairway on hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 2: Then say, okay, what I'm about to do I will
Speaker 2: never do on the golfers. Okay, I'm going to do
Speaker 2: crazy stuff right now, right, and it doesn't matter. I
Speaker 2: just just don't break your driver or use a practice driver,
Speaker 2: but basically try things to make the ball go faster, Like,
Speaker 2: lift your left heel and take the club back farther.
Speaker 2: Swing your arms faster, take a faster tempo back swinging.
Speaker 2: Go ahead and lift your arms up higher. Try and
Speaker 2: make sure you're weight shifting harder. Try everything you can
Speaker 2: think of, where all you're trying to do is move
Speaker 2: the club faster. And honestly, heating into a net would
Speaker 2: be more advantage right here, because I don't want you
Speaker 2: to look at the golf ball right you will figure
Speaker 2: out that, you know, when I do this crazy thing,
Speaker 2: my club itates be went from one hundred miles an
Speaker 2: hour to one hundred and ten miles an hour, like
Speaker 2: you'll see canes up to twenty miles an hour right
Speaker 2: now when you do that? Okay, this is the most
Speaker 2: important thing. Experiment, trial kind of stuff. And even if
Speaker 2: you're like, there's no way I can play like this,
Speaker 2: you're never gonna play like this, that's not the point.
Speaker 2: I just want to know, could you move the club faster?
Speaker 2: Once you figure out what moves the club faster, let's
Speaker 2: say it's lifting your lead heel in the back swing. Okay,
Speaker 2: then you're gonna play three strikes? Okay, three strikes? Is
Speaker 2: you tee? Up a ball and you say, okay, first
Speaker 2: of all, I'm gonna swing with this crazy swing as
Speaker 2: hard as I can, and I just want to see
Speaker 2: what my clubatespeed gets up to. Let's say you do
Speaker 2: this crazy swing and you swing as hard as you
Speaker 2: can and your first swing is one hundred and eight
Speaker 2: miles an hour. Okay, so let's say it's one o eight.
Speaker 2: I want you to write down you say, first swing
Speaker 2: is one hundred and eight. Now you get to tee
Speaker 2: up another ball. If this next swing is one hundred
Speaker 2: and eight or faster, you get to keep going. If
Speaker 2: it's below that, it's a strike, right, And if it
Speaker 2: goes up, your new floor is that number, right, So
Speaker 2: you can't go blow that. So let's say your first
Speaker 2: ball is one towight. Let's say your next ball is
Speaker 2: one oh nine. Let's say your next ball is one ten.
Speaker 2: So you hit three balls, you're at one ten. Let's
Speaker 2: say your fourth ball is one o eight. That's a
Speaker 2: strike because it just went down one at ten. So
Speaker 2: when you get a strike right down, you can say, okay,
Speaker 2: strike one. Take sixty seconds. Just chill out, relax. You
Speaker 2: can hit a couple weds if you want, but just
Speaker 2: let your nervous system relax. It's only strike one. You
Speaker 2: get three strikes. Get up there, te up to your
Speaker 2: fifth ball. Now again your floor is at one ten.
Speaker 2: Now you just got to strike one eight. Your next
Speaker 2: ball better be one ten or higher. You're gonna get
Speaker 2: your second strike. Let's say your fifth balls one ten,
Speaker 2: that's tie. You keep going six ball. Let's say is
Speaker 2: one o nine, that's strike two. And let's say you're
Speaker 2: seventh balls is one oh eight, strike three. You're done.
Speaker 2: So you basically did nine balls and you were done. Right.
Speaker 2: What I do after this? That's a speed training session, right,
Speaker 2: And it's crazy. You're never gonna play golf like this.
Speaker 2: But then all you all want I want you to
Speaker 2: do is and this is what I tell myself. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's now life depends on it. I got to go
Speaker 2: to the ferry. Let's go back to a cruising speed. Now.
Speaker 2: Remember when you started, your cruising speed was one hundred
Speaker 2: miles an hour. So now you get you t up
Speaker 2: two balls. Hit the first one just trying to cruise
Speaker 2: sometimes just your brain slowing down is a little weird.
Speaker 2: The second one, usually you're back to your normal swing.
Speaker 2: I want you to look at the launch monitor. Normally
Speaker 2: your cruising speed now is one o two where before
Speaker 2: it was one hundred, and it feels like you're going
Speaker 2: slow motion. And this is the keys. I'm not changing
Speaker 2: your golf swing. I'm changing how fast your golf swing
Speaker 2: goes right. And what happens is your brain starts to
Speaker 2: go you know, I can swing one o two under control,
Speaker 2: and then as you do this speed over time, you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: I can't do one oh six over control. And in
Speaker 2: a year you've gone from a one hundred mine hour
Speaker 2: club it's maybe to one hundred and six, and it
Speaker 2: feels like you haven't changed anything. That's how you had speed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And one of the things Miko Derrisco I've had
Speaker 1: in the pod who I met through Dave Phillips. He
Speaker 1: works with John Rahm and stuff like that. But one
Speaker 1: of the drills that he does with our juniors is
Speaker 1: he has them hit five fairway finders balls where they're
Speaker 1: going to hit it and play, and then he has
Speaker 1: them hit five flat out as fast and as hard
Speaker 1: as they can. We sometimes find that the flat out
Speaker 1: fast as they can, they hit more fairways doing that
Speaker 1: then they do when they're trying to steer and just
Speaker 1: get it and play and just not miss it and
Speaker 1: not hit a bad shot.
Speaker 2: For some reason, people make the golf swing non athletic.
Speaker 2: Right when we say the swing as hard as you can,
Speaker 2: actually the athlete comes out and a lot of times
Speaker 2: the athlete is way more accurate than the non athlete.
Speaker 2: Believe it or not.
Speaker 1: Listen, we could talk for hours. If people want to
Speaker 1: find out more about what you guys do at the
Speaker 1: Titleist Performance Institute, first of all, tell them where they
Speaker 1: can find it, but give the the elevator pitch on
Speaker 1: what TPI.
Speaker 2: Is real simple so we actually are part of the
Speaker 2: titlest brand. If you go to the my TPI my
Speaker 2: Titles Performance in suit so MYTPI dot com you can
Speaker 2: learn all about TPI. We basically take care of all
Speaker 2: titles players worldwide from their any any aspects of the performance.
Speaker 2: But we also certify golf coaches, medical professionals, and fitness
Speaker 2: professionals on how to do what we do. So if
Speaker 2: you're if you're in the business and working with golfers,
Speaker 2: you can go on there to learn about our seminars.
Speaker 2: Everything's online virtually and we do live classes. And I
Speaker 2: do want to shout out that we do have our
Speaker 2: TPI Annual Summit coming up here in Orlando, that mister
Speaker 2: cloud Harmon will be speaking that that's the October twenty
Speaker 2: fifth through the twenty seventh, and it's one of one
Speaker 2: of the close times where all the smartest minds in
Speaker 2: the world come together in lecture. But my TPI dot
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Speaker 1: Everyone listening is if you have any sort of swing falls,
Speaker 1: anything that you do, come over the top, hit it thin,
Speaker 1: hit it fat, all of the things that we've talked about.
Speaker 1: You can go on MYTPI dot com and basically type in, okay,
Speaker 1: I come over the top, I've got limited whatever the
Speaker 1: issues are, and the AI can give you an entire
Speaker 1: workout formula.
Speaker 2: Yeah. On our website it'll say improve my game. Click
Speaker 2: on improve my gream and then it can have it'll have.
Speaker 2: There's a drill and exercise library where you can type
Speaker 2: in like hip mobility and I'll give you a ton
Speaker 2: of stuff. There's a place that says swing characteristics where
Speaker 2: like you'll look and says over the top. Click on
Speaker 2: over the top. We'll talk about some of the most
Speaker 2: common causes of these some of the physical things and
Speaker 2: at the bottom you'll see drills and stuff that usually
Speaker 2: help most of the people with the I.
Speaker 1: Can't I can't thank you enough for coming on. I've
Speaker 1: been wanting to do it for a while. But I
Speaker 1: think the work that you and Dave and everybody on
Speaker 1: your team out at the Titleist Performance Institute, like I said,
Speaker 1: it has been a life changer for me. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm so lucky to not only be able to have
Speaker 1: you and Dave as mentors but also as friends. And
Speaker 1: there isn't anything physically that happens with my body or
Speaker 1: if we have players but that have physical issues. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're like Jesus Chris another message from Claude,
Speaker 1: where it's always okay, what's this player doing? Or I
Speaker 1: messaged you the other day on I've messaged you twice
Speaker 1: this year. When my back went out in Saudi Arabia
Speaker 1: and I got an MRI, you were the first person
Speaker 1: I messaged and called. And you know, I went to
Speaker 1: see a doctor from my shoulder the other day. As
Speaker 1: soon as I got out. You were the first person
Speaker 1: I called, and you said, yeah, let me design a
Speaker 1: program for you for your shoulder to where we'll do
Speaker 1: some rehab drills. And within two minutes you sent me
Speaker 1: an email. I went on the TPI app and it
Speaker 1: was fifteen exercises that take about fifteen minutes. And I've
Speaker 1: been doing every day. The shoulder feels better. You mentioned
Speaker 1: the World Golf Fitness Summit in Orlando in October. The
Speaker 1: greatest minds in the game are meeting there. The fact
Speaker 1: that you have me speaking would would would mean that
Speaker 1: that's all bullshit, But uh, I'm excited to speak, and
Speaker 1: and and I can really.
Speaker 2: Dave and I have the utmost respect for you. Uh
Speaker 2: and and uh we we we see the work that
Speaker 2: you do with your players, and that's that's the ultimate test.
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, I don't think anybody gets the
Speaker 2: job done better than you do. So we appreciate you, buddy.
Speaker 1: We'll have you on next time, and we'll get you
Speaker 1: to tell the story about my dad with the medicine
Speaker 1: ball throw. Uh when hose he go ahead and tell
Speaker 1: it now quickly. It's a great one.
Speaker 2: Okay. So uh, first time I was ever invited out
Speaker 2: the titleist me and Dave the CEO while you line
Speaker 2: invites intes us to come out and test some of
Speaker 2: the best players in the world, and he's like, I
Speaker 2: got a couple players want you to test. We didn't
Speaker 2: realize it was the world match. And we get there
Speaker 2: and like, the first guy there is Phil Mickelson, and
Speaker 2: then it Turnie Els and it's VJ and you had
Speaker 2: all the best in the world there and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, uh this this jose Ap and Marie
Speaker 2: all the top with with your dad walk in right
Speaker 2: and Butch's just like, what are you guys doing. We're like,
Speaker 2: we're testing, doing this new three D stuff, and he's like,
Speaker 2: well test those days. So I and we kept testing everybody.
Speaker 2: Everybody was so great, and the CEO is like, all
Speaker 2: you're you're testing is the same. I'm like, well, look
Speaker 2: who you're giving us the best player in the world.
Speaker 2: These are all great players, but they'll be bad and
Speaker 2: they and I'm like he's thinking what we're doing is
Speaker 2: horrible because everybody'shown up the same. And we get jose
Speaker 2: on the three D and it's bad, like there's something wrong,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, at first I was like, finally there's
Speaker 2: somebody different. But I'm like, how do I tell it?
Speaker 2: You know, a two time Master's champion, there's something wrong.
Speaker 2: And I and Butcher, your dad's like, what's going on?
Speaker 2: And I go, well, there's something wrong with the lower body.
Speaker 2: He's like, what do you mean? And I go, I
Speaker 2: don't want to say that. I go, but like his
Speaker 2: lower body is like dead. He's like, no, no, there's
Speaker 2: a problem in his swing. Right now, we're trying to
Speaker 2: figure out what's going on. And I'm like, oh, it's
Speaker 2: like okay, I go, well, there's something wrong with his
Speaker 2: lower it's not producing power. And I think they thought
Speaker 2: he had like a foot problem or something at that time,
Speaker 2: Like I don't think they realized it was a lower back.
Speaker 2: But and I and I go, you know, I probably
Speaker 2: should test him physically real quick because we're just doing swing.
Speaker 2: So we do a quick screen. It's like, you know,
Speaker 2: I need to do a couple of power tests, and
Speaker 2: our power tests, we do a jump, we do some
Speaker 2: medicine ball stuff, and we got to the medicine ball
Speaker 2: stuff and Jose threw a medicine ball to the point
Speaker 2: where I was like, like, he threw like thirteen feet
Speaker 2: in almost like twenty two right, And I'm like, all right, stop,
Speaker 2: like time out, there's something wrong. And your Dad's like, well,
Speaker 2: what's going on. I'm like that, that's like, that's like
Speaker 2: I should see that with like a thirteen year old,
Speaker 2: like there's something wrong. And he's like, oh, come on,
Speaker 2: you can do it harder. And I'm like, no, no,
Speaker 2: you understand, like I think he might be heard, and
Speaker 2: I was like, no, no, we're done. So I go
Speaker 2: and I put my hand out to bring Jose up
Speaker 2: off the ground. I'm not paying attention to your dad,
Speaker 2: and your dad was like, oh, let me, I could
Speaker 2: throw this ball farder Dad. He grabs some medicine ball
Speaker 2: and he lays down and he just proceeds to sit
Speaker 2: up and throw the ball. But Jose was throwing the
Speaker 2: ball to me right your dad decided to throw the
Speaker 2: medical ball against a wall. But what did realize That
Speaker 2: wall was drywall right and behind that wall was the
Speaker 2: director of the facility for taitleists right there. That ball
Speaker 2: hits the wall and goes through the drywall like it's
Speaker 2: nothing at all here. It's a scream and crash, and
Speaker 2: I'm like like, oh my god, I'm never getting invited
Speaker 2: back here again. The director walks in like screaming, what
Speaker 2: the hell is going on? And I look at your
Speaker 2: dad and he's down the ground, and I swear your
Speaker 2: dad was like, who gives a I can throw a
Speaker 2: part of the throw that ball back like I was like.
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm never getting invited back here again.
Speaker 2: But the greatest that is the epitome of my father.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could just see him, Well, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what I could do that and then he throws
Speaker 1: it through the wall and he's like, well, it shouldn't
Speaker 1: make the wall stronger. It's not my fault.
Speaker 2: He's the best. I loved it great.
Speaker 1: Talking to you, Greg, look forward to seeing you in
Speaker 1: October at the TPR World El Fitness on the top
Speaker 1: of it. So that was doctor Greg Rose from the
Speaker 1: Titleist Performance Institute, And like I said, he's one of
Speaker 1: the smartest people I've ever met. If I have any
Speaker 1: issues with my body, if I have any issues with players,
Speaker 1: He's someone whose brain I pick on a regular basis.
Speaker 1: He's a good friend and he has been an incredible
Speaker 1: mentor to me, and I certainly wouldn't be where I
Speaker 1: am in my career if it wasn't for meeting Dave
Speaker 1: Phillips and Greg Rose, because I think the work that
Speaker 1: they do is second to none in the golf space.
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