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Speaker 1: Whody who Glamour Girls. You're listening to Stradio Lab.

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Speaker 2: Rewind. Once a month we will be re releasing an

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Speaker 1: Okay, enjoy the past. Bye. Podcast starts now. Wow, Hello all,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to Stradia Lab. We have an incredible episode

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Speaker 1: for you today. Sorry, I thought that would be like

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Speaker 1: a fun different way to know. I love it.

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Speaker 2: I love when you I can kind of tell when

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Speaker 2: you start the intro when you're losing steam.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're at like a cool five seconds now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love that I can, I can say the name

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Speaker 2: And I never help you. I always let you do that.

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Speaker 1: No, and you watch with glee.

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Speaker 2: I know, but I kind of like the tradition of

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Speaker 2: you always start, you always say the first word.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what is a podcast without tradition?

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Speaker 2: I mean, let's face it, nothing it's.

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Speaker 1: Nothing, but I did think it would be fun to

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's fun. It's fun to do that even though

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Speaker 2: it hasn't already happened.

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Speaker 1: It hasn't already happened, and it's sort of like someone

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, yes, genius.

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Speaker 1: And so hey, maybe we should try it.

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Speaker 2: It's like when people say when people use cliches but

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Speaker 1: It's also a lot of stand up open my culture specifically,

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Speaker 2: Why can't I think of a good one?

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Speaker 1: You know, you brought up the one you tweeted about this.

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Speaker 2: I know, I said, but I did get I got it.

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Speaker 2: And that's right, and then to bring it to bring

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Speaker 2: The same thing can be said of hot girl culture

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Speaker 1: George, this is not I cannot help but feel that

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Speaker 2: We have to be able between the two of us.

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Speaker 2: No, here's what it is. My dad said I could

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Speaker 1: Well, and here's where I'm struggling with this specific prompt

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Speaker 2: It's interesting how that works. It's kind of the pitfalls

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Speaker 2: I know. It really is crazy that I've I've kind

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Speaker 1: I should have done this before. Actually, Sarah, I don't

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Who are you?

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Speaker 1: Who? Literally? Who speak for yourself?

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Speaker 4: I want to be referred to as whatever comes out

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Speaker 1: Okay, well then I'm gonna go with the original. Please

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Speaker 1: welcome to the lab. We don't say that this is

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Speaker 1: that's a joke. Please welcome to the lab.

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Speaker 2: Serruh, squirm, happy to be here.

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Speaker 5: And you know what, that came naturally to you, and

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Speaker 2: What do you think of everything you've heard so far?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 5: Do you know how hard it was Forena not pipe

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Speaker 5: up the whole time? I wanted to pipe up so badly,

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Speaker 5: but you had me locked in a cage, you had

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Speaker 2: Daddy didn't let you go to the pool because you

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Speaker 5: Me, hot girl, the algorithmic this mate gets me hot

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Speaker 5: and heeded this conversation. It actually pisses me right off

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Speaker 1: I had Okay, I hate doing Twitter round up, and

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Speaker 4: I straighten up your tweet?

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Speaker 2: Sarah, please you need it.

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Speaker 5: The greatest version of that tweet would have been And

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Speaker 5: anyone who listens to this podcast in twenty thirty seven,

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Speaker 5: if you were to have tweeted my large male sons

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Speaker 2: That is a straight tweet, and you go, that's and

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Speaker 2: there you go. See you have to fully commit. Sam's

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Speaker 4: I have a finger on the pulse of the strait.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting that you said this would make sense

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Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely. That's because straight culture it's getting brutal.

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Speaker 4: That that is what she said?

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Speaker 5: You know what you just did to my brain when

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Speaker 5: you said that's what she said something? But like, right,

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, it's the it's the equivalent. It's like, oh, Congress,

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Speaker 2: you're not saying San Diego means a whales vagina anymore.

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Speaker 2: You're saying large adult sons. Sam is losing it.

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Speaker 1: I feel Sarah, you brought up this podcast being listened

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Speaker 5: I kind of think, yes, yeah, I'm going to say

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Speaker 2: Wait please, I had.

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Speaker 5: The realization when I woke up on January first, twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty two, where I I literally called up your friend

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Speaker 5: Ruby McCollister, past guest, past guests, former podcast hosts. So

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Speaker 5: nothing but respect for my presidents in this zero Absolutely

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Speaker 5: I woke up on the morning of January first, twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty two, and I said, Ruby, this.

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Speaker 4: Is the year of music. No more podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Wow, I'm going.

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Speaker 6: Into this year saying a podcast episode she had the

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Speaker 6: shelf life of the zeitgeist, that it's in, you listen

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Speaker 6: to it when it happens, and it dissipates it in

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Speaker 4: Music is forever, Music is eternity.

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Speaker 2: Right, great music and love.

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Speaker 4: Music is life.

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Speaker 2: Music is music is loud life, very very edgy. That's

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Speaker 2: you should write that when you post your next pool

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Speaker 4: Hot dog legs girl.

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Speaker 2: Hot dog legs, hot dog legs girl, hashtag music is love,

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Speaker 2: Music is life.

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Speaker 4: I want to get out ahead of this and say

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Speaker 4: I want I want to know, in the history of stradiom,

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Speaker 5: A guest that is so queer presenting that's me right,

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Speaker 5: and as straight monogamous as right.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's a great, great question. Yes, we probably can't say,

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Speaker 2: and in fact queer period but straight relationship presenting oh god, clerical.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, smart, that's correct, But Claric.

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Speaker 4: Of course, I go, I go, stamp me straight.

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Speaker 2: Right, whereas you are proud, proudly straight, in fact, uncomfortably

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Speaker 1: Are for everybody at home. Sarah is lifting up a fist, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: lifting up power fist, which is you know, very dark energy.

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Speaker 2: Oh and now and now doing a kind of the

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Speaker 2: peace sign. Oh, she comes in, peace becomes yeah. Oh

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Speaker 2: and our little alien piece sign with the two fingers

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Speaker 2: on each side.

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Speaker 1: We'll start.

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Speaker 2: Start trek. Sorry, that's a queer show. That's queer show.

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Speaker 2: Say that somehow you just made it straight with that gesture?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god? Wait, should we do her for a segment?

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Speaker 2: I believe that would be for the best.

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Speaker 1: Okay, We're going to do our first segment.

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Speaker 2: George, can you please I hate I mean anything for you, Sarah.

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Speaker 2: Our first segment is called straight Shooters, and in this segment,

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Speaker 2: we ask you a series of rapid fire questions to

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Speaker 2: the team Nail were just you wait the t sis booths.

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Speaker 2: Is that how this works is we just give you

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Speaker 2: it works, and if you do, you're immediately disqualified. So, Sarah, Sarah,

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Speaker 2: Jolene squirm, thank you. Your first question is posting a

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Speaker 4: Wait, what am I doing?

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Speaker 2: My god, smell, here's the thing.

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Speaker 5: I got a text that my laundry was ready, and

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Speaker 5: what that text did to me was shuddle.

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Speaker 4: The nun where I was so enwrapped about my ready

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, to have a text based laundry system.

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Speaker 2: We really are living in the future.

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Speaker 1: I know podcasts are relevant, I know laundry.

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Speaker 2: I know you think you're missing something, Sarah, I can

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Speaker 2: promise you you're not. This has like it truly, there

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Speaker 2: is nothing more to what's happening except you have to

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Speaker 4: I just okay, you're right.

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Speaker 2: Good. Essentially, this game has never made any sense. Have

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Speaker 1: And we were like, should we cut it? It makes

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And people were like, this is commenting on society

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. You have to be kind of

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Speaker 2: outside knowledge is that your laundry is ready immediately, the

444
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 2: game cannot go on. Yeah, crumbles. So, Sarah, I'm okay

445
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 2: hosting a selfie or hosting the ninety fourth Annual Academy Awards.

446
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: Next, okay, Hugh Jackman, Hugh Hefner or Phillips.

447
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 4: Hugh Lights, you're up north?

448
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 2: Next we didn't start the fire, or we bought a zoo.

449
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 4: We bought a zoo.

450
00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: Next, Oh, I love it that you're domining us, study

451
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: being the barred, or doing an impression of Bart Simpson.

452
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 4: Bart Simpson.

453
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 2: Next, renewing your vows or renewing your passport. Do you

454
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 2: see how that one just like, that's a tough one.

455
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: See there's something here.

456
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 5: Renewing her passport next, and I'll have more on that, Len,

457
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 5: Do I get to comment on it?

458
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 2: Or no, I'm going to pertend I needn't hear that question,

459
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 2: and we will move on.

460
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: The electoral college or the electric.

461
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 4: Slide electrics, electoral.

462
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 2: College, purchasing a throw pillow, or throwing a surprise retirement

463
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 2: party for your elderly father throw pillow.

464
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: Next, Okay, she got her groove back, reminiscing on the

465
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: one that got away, or wondering if a guy is gay?

466
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 4: Wondering if a guy is gay?

467
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 7: Next?

468
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 2: Reading a book review or reading a book?

469
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 4: Reading a book, and.

470
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 2: Sarah, that is your time for today.

471
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 4: I have so much to say about reading.

472
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 2: Okay, and now we can talk.

473
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 1: Please now, please get into it.

474
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 4: Has it ever voted well for a real housewife to

475
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 4: renew the vowel?

476
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 2: Oh, to renew the vow? Are you a housewife? Queen?

477
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 8: Ab?

478
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 2: So wow, wow, fascinating.

479
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Speaker 1: That is surprising to me.

480
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, you not tell for my queer haircut?

481
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 2: That on a house.

482
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: That's what threw me off.

483
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Speaker 2: Can I say something about housewife? Culture. There's something about

484
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 2: I understand that at this but we've reclaimed it so

485
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 2: many times that you're like, Okay, first it was trashy.

486
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 2: Then people were like, it's actually Shakespeare. Then people were like, oh,

487
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 2: they're all criminals or what ever. Then people were like

488
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 2: they're fake, and then people were like, actually, they're the

489
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 2: only people who are real. And now it's got It's

490
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 2: gotten reclaimed and re reclaimed so many times, and I'm

491
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 2: kind of like, okay, what, Like, I'm completely lost and

492
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm supposed to think about these women.

493
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 4: And you bring up an amazing point.

494
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Speaker 5: And I think the reclaiming of the reclaiming of the

495
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 5: reclamation of the reclaim has produced in the most recent

496
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 5: franchise of Salt Lake City a Frankenstein, a group of

497
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 5: women that is so uncanny valley and so out.

498
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 2: Of this world.

499
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, that it has reached the outrage the pinnacle of outrageousness.

500
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've hit it. It's like it's I would say,

501
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: it's absolutely and can I actually I want to now

502
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: connect this conversation to the conversation about my dad let

503
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 2: me sit by the pool because they ate my salad.

504
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: And it's the following so, our good friend, our good

505
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: friend and also enemy, Max Witter wrote something, wrote something

506
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: about Selling Sunset, and he posted about it on Instagram,

507
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 2: and it's specifically about Christine, who I have not seen

508
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 2: the show, but she is a character in the series

509
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: Selling Sunset. Christine found the post and commented, in fact

510
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: in a complimentary way, she liked the piece, and she

511
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 2: commented that she really liked what he wrote, and then

512
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: she wrote the following sentence. She wrote, I'm not ashamed

513
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 2: of understanding the assignment, and that I think perfectly encapsulates

514
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: like that perfectly encapsulates where like what kind of meta world,

515
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 2: like like this kind of like Frankenstein world that these

516
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: women are occupying, where it doesn't even matter what they

517
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 2: say as long as there is some gesture at both

518
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 2: straightforward earnestness and self aware and ironic self awareness, Like

519
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: they kind of can just say whatever they want because

520
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: if it's stupid, then it's immediately funny and if it's

521
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: and if it's smart, then their genius. Like so, where

522
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: what is the endgame?

523
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say something is landerous, Okay, I feel like

524
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 4: it could all to me. It all boils down to

525
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 4: the phenomenon of now, like.

526
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 5: The culture of drag is young people growing up watching

527
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 5: the reality television show of Rupe Paul's Rockeries, Yes.

528
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 4: And doing drag to be on the show Rubel's Rock Race.

529
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 4: It's almost as if we.

530
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 5: Live in a Philip K. Dick future, dystopian future where

531
00:28:53,320 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 5: we are even taking the most transgressive forms of performance.

532
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: Being a housewife. Thanks sacret I literally I do think

533
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 2: being a housewife is one of the most transgressive forms

534
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: of performance. I don't even talk about the show. I'm

535
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: just talking.

536
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Speaker 8: I mean in a capitalist society, of course, Mary, a

537
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 8: dying psychopath nazis to live in a cheesecake factory looking

538
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 8: ass house.

539
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's yeah, you're living.

540
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: It's a lived in art. I I love we. We

541
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: haven't gotten into this space in a while where sort

542
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: of the full we live in a society, and to

543
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: get there in a podcast is so bold, so brave.

544
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: If not here where and this is a bar No, no, Sarah, no,

545
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: I have no idea how necessary this is.

546
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: I think this piece of podcasting is one of the

547
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: most necessary pieces of media of twenty twenty two. I

548
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: think you have simultaneously called and predicted the end of

549
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: podcasting as an art form and reinvented what it is

550
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: to have a podcast.

551
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: So yes, this is the exception that proves the rule,

552
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: and that this is the one useful episode of any podcast,

553
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: and it is the episode that predicts the end of podcasting.

554
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 4: He should, I.

555
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 9: Say, can I choplin on that the only way to

556
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 9: save this podcast is for you too, uh oh, to

557
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 9: start screen recording right now and start the reality show

558
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 9: of the podcast.

559
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, first of all, this is being screen recorded.

560
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: We just have never We would never ever, in our

561
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: in our wildest dreams, released the screen recording. We're only

562
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: we only would ever release the audio. But if so,

563
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: when worn to hack into my computer, for instance, they

564
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: could find the screen recording of you in your queer

565
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,959
Speaker 2: presenting outfit calling for the elder podcast holding up a

566
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,959
Speaker 2: straight power fist, calling for the end of podcasting.

567
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 4: That's somebody who supports the pod.

568
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: Okay, I this is just based on one thing you said,

569
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: which I think like hits the nail on the head.

570
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: So you're saying, you know, the young queer kids watch

571
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: Drag Race and want to do drag to be on

572
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: the show, which is interesting because it used to be that,

573
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: like drag culture existed outside of it, and then this

574
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: was just like something that showcased certain queens. But you're saying,

575
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: now you watch the show, and that's why you want

576
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: to be a drag queen. The thing with the rest

577
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: of the reality show is like the Housewives is like, okay,

578
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: so you watch that, and then that teaches you how

579
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: to be a person. Like the only conception you have

580
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 2: of being a person in the world is like, what

581
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: kind of reality shows star can you be? So it's

582
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: raising little toxic gays and girls to be housewives.

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00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 5: Wow, there is a housewife on the Real Housewives Orange

584
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 5: County right now. Again, this goes deep and also this

585
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 5: is alleged and conspiratorial, but I'm gonna state this as

586
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 5: if it's bad. Please We're talking two episodes in a

587
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 5: Real Housewives Orange County. She is saying that she has

588
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 5: been served divorce papers from her husband where I'm Puerto

589
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 5: Rico and the papers aren't a language that she doesn't understand,

590
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 5: and she's crying on the show, saying, I can't believe

591
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 5: my husband is divorcing me out of nowhere and serving

592
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 5: me divorce papers in a Spanish language that I do

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Speaker 5: not speak.

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Speaker 4: I can't believe he's fled to Puerto Rico and.

595
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: Done this to me.

596
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 5: I go to his Instagram to his direct address from

597
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 5: facing camera videos.

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Speaker 4: His name is Attorney Sweet James. He's got billboards all

599
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Speaker 4: around Orange County.

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Speaker 5: And he is alleging that they lived in Puerto Rico

601
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 5: where they raised their son, and that to get on

602
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 5: the Real Housewives of Orange County, she moved her and

603
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 5: her son to Orange County a band thing him in

604
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Speaker 5: Puerto Rico, and now she has fabricated a lie about

605
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 5: divorce papers and fabricated a lie about Puerto Rico being

606
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 5: a place she's never been. And that is dedication to

607
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 5: the craft and live your life to becoming a fake person.

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Speaker 2: So just to confirm what I'm hearing here is that

609
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: you don't believe women, and you immediately are taking the

610
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Speaker 2: man's side.

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00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 5: All it takes is one front, facing camera video in

612
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Speaker 5: an empty, poorly decorated, poorly lit house.

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Speaker 1: I love that. I think maybe it is time to

614
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Speaker 1: get to our topic. Sarah. You you know I'd say

615
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Speaker 1: we did not send you the proper email before this episode.

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Speaker 1: You sort of didn't really know what to what was

617
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: needed of you. And yet we asked you what topic

618
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Speaker 1: you wanted to talk about, and you, without waiting even

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Speaker 1: a second, brought us a topic. Would you like to say?

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Speaker 1: What it is?

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Speaker 4: What did I say?

622
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,919
Speaker 5: In zero point one millisecond upon being asked, you didn't

623
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 5: even finish your question.

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00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 4: You said, what do you want to talk about it? I said, jackass,

625
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 4: backass culture.

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Speaker 2: Well, first, if I remember correctly, you had almost I

627
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 2: would say an ego death moment where you could not

628
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 2: stop talking about how, in fact, you are so knowledgeable

629
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 2: about straight culture that this will be a challenging podcast

630
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: appearance for you because you have so much to say

631
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: that it's oozing out of every pore.

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Speaker 5: One of my biggest humiliations is that I'm so unbelievably well.

633
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Speaker 4: Versed in the straight culture. Ask me anything you need

634
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 4: to know?

635
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 5: If you have any questions going forward, Yeah, I could

636
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 5: probably provide an answer.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's start with jackass culture. Explain like your

638
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: history with it and what reads as straight about it

639
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: to you.

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00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 4: So, growing up as.

641
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 5: A precocious Jewish goblin on Long Island, I would see

642
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 5: Jackass on the television say this is not a space

643
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 5: for me.

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00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 4: Okay, this is not a space for me, it is

645
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 4: these boys like this, this is my child's bond. Boys

646
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 4: like this don't like me. This is not a welcome

647
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 4: space for me. By then hit the age twenty five,

648
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 4: do a revisit on Jackass, and what do I see

649
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 4: but a space that.

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00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 5: Was built for gays and girls. You are actually a

651
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 5: space for gaze and girls.

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00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 2: You are completely correct.

653
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 4: Absolutely. First of all, Number one, everyone knows they're all hot. Yeah,

654
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 4: all hilarious.

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00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 5: They are guys hanging out with their friends. They're all

656
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 5: real friends.

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Speaker 4: We all see these shows.

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Speaker 5: Like these reality shows where you see a group of

659
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 5: friends doing stuff. They're not friends like each other. They

660
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 5: aren't actually all right.

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Speaker 2: It's so interesting, I mean that it almost I would say,

662
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: even uh for Patriots perpetrate certain harmful stereotypes because you

663
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 2: have male friendship portrayed in such a nice light. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they would literally die for one another, die for each

665
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: other in Demi Levado's words. And then with women in

666
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: the Real Housewives franchise, they are stabbing each other in

667
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 2: the back, left and right. And as you said, marrying

668
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 2: Nazis in order to live in a in a in

669
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: a cheesecake factory house. So what do you have to

670
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: say about that, And they're.

671
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 5: Not even like I would die for you, like I

672
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 5: would give you a kidney, I would die just to

673
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 5: get one Nike. You laugh once, Oh that is actually yeah,

674
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 5: I would go through such tremendous bodily torture to get

675
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 5: one laugh out of you. Then, I mean, they're all

676
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 5: fabulous in their own way. We've got a cast of

677
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 5: characters that all have something to offer. They all of

678
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 5: their pranks pray on their deepest fears. You get like

679
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 5: Stevo famously doing bathroom stall on a bungee cord where

680
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 5: he gets put in a uh a port that's what

681
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 5: called port a porta potty filled with dog shit that

682
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 5: gets shaken up and down by a bungee cord, which

683
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 5: and that prank is built off of his deep fear

684
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 5: of bungee cords themselves. So you've got like an interesting

685
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 5: play with like a kernel deep like death drive. Yeah,

686
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 5: and so that's sort of interesting.

687
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 4: And then you get you know what we get we

688
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 4: hit on. You know, it can be you know, the

689
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 4: show can be interpreted as holophobic.

690
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 5: We've got a lot you know, the character of party

691
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 5: Boy Chris Pontius, his character of party Boy where he

692
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 5: puts on a little song and goes into a you know,

693
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 5: Sam Goodie and like dances all over the b And

694
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 5: then we have wild Boys, which is Stevo and Chris

695
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 5: Pontius in little.

696
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 4: Songs, dancing all around the sahara. So you know, are

697
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 4: they being home ohobic?

698
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 5: Are they demystifying the homo erotic dynamics.

699
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 4: In their relationships?

700
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: Yeah?

701
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 5: Okay, when one of them puts a toy train up

702
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 5: their butthole, out the demystifying.

703
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 1: The butthole, the butthole, I think they're demystifying. I mean,

704
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: but now they are. I think I think part of

705
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: why it didn't feel like the space for us at

706
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 1: the time was because it was like dare I say,

707
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: like too soon? Like it was like you can't look

708
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 1: at it with like this distance because all the boys

709
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: that are watching this are are homophobic and like, yeah,

710
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: loving that side a bit.

711
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: I think the critical discourse hadn't evolved. They were they

712
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 2: were doing what they were doing in the wrong culture

713
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: because yes and I and that actually is probably true

714
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: of a lot of the comedy of that time, because

715
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 2: if there had been uh women and queer people in

716
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 2: positions of by which I mean, if they were professional

717
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: television critics, and that's the most powerful position one can occupy,

718
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: then our cultural memory of those shows would be very different.

719
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: My friend, there has been, like I think more than

720
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: most shows, Like there's been an art popification of Jackass

721
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: where people are like that, actually it was good. Actually

722
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: it's pro gay. Actually it's like commenting on masculinity instead

723
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: of embracing it.

724
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and can I actually tell you why? And it's

725
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: very simple why Jackass is pro gay, But someone using

726
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: those exact tactics to like bully you in school is not.

727
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 2: And that issue, ladies and gentlemen, is the issue of

728
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: consent because everyone, everyone in that show is part of

729
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: a community. They have agreed to the rules, and they

730
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: are in fact using a form of group therapy to

731
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: process their trauma. They have their version of safe words,

732
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: they have their version of like kind of group play,

733
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: so to speak. It is within a safe space. And yes,

734
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: someone can watch that, maybe a kind of you know,

735
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 2: an insecure, straight twelve year old can watch that and

736
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 2: then go and and potentially pants me in the locker room,

737
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 2: and and and and kind of be like, look at

738
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: this guy's ass. But that is missing the point and

739
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: the spirit of the original, of the original work of.

740
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 4: Art, And that is why it always comes back to friendship.

741
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 4: It's this consenting.

742
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 5: Community that has the common understanding of play and laughter.

743
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 10: Yeah, and now it's like and I guess this raises

744
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 10: the point though, if if I mean, how much can

745
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 10: art be held accountable for what people see in it

746
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 10: and what kind of behavior it inadvertently allows?

747
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 2: That actually goes back to the housewives too, and the

748
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: drag race too, Like, is it the housewives fault that

749
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: we are raising a generation of gay men who are

750
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: dumber than a brick? It's giving brick? Is it the

751
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 2: housewives fault that for many gay men it's giving brick?

752
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 1: That's a tough one. I think partially they can't. It's

753
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: hard to tell.

754
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 5: At the beginning of every Jackass, they go, don't try

755
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 5: this at home?

756
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 2: The sor they do they do say and can I

757
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: actually say something? Talk about one of the first shows

758
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 2: to literally use a trigger warning speak on that one

759
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: of the first shows talk about a sign of like

760
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 2: not just kind of like progressivism, but like, to a

761
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 2: conservative's eye, an almost toxic campus culture progressivism. That that boogeyman,

762
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 2: the famous right wing boogeyman. The trigger warning, Well, guess what.

763
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: Guess who the first people to use trigger warnings were.

764
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: That's right, it was Steve O and Johnny Knoxville.

765
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: Baby wow, this is an insane conversation.

766
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 5: Literally. Then this, this community that you've so eloquently put

767
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 5: is a safe space, trigger warnings.

768
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 7: Safe space, consent, other buzzwords we get trigger warnings, consent,

769
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 7: kink positive, kink positive, safe space, sex positive, sex positive, positive,

770
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 7: body positive, the.

771
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 5: Crop fish in his diaper for the stunt crawfish diaper.

772
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 4: That is cock and ball torture. That is exploration of king.

773
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: Exploration, and also an artistic openness. Wow wow wow. In fact,

774
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: I'll say, as the former I'll say it house manager

775
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: of my colleges LGBTQ center, I see very few differences,

776
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: very few differences between the culture of that organization and

777
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: the culture of the show jackass.

778
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm shocked.

779
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 5: What I care about most with artistic integrity is something

780
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 5: we're missing in our culture today, which is commitment to

781
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 5: the bit.

782
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: I yess.

783
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 5: How many people at your college group we're willing to it.

784
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 4: Way it online for the cause.

785
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think in fact, you know what you're

786
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 2: actually pointing to that. The one hole in my argument

787
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: is those two aren't the same. In fact, Jackass is

788
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: more politically progressive than the LGBTQ Center that I was

789
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: ahead of.

790
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: I'm also like the commitment is a real like thing.

791
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: They really do go for it, and like they are

792
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: hurting themselves in a way that is like so many

793
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: people are like half assing everything they do, especially in

794
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: the entertainment industry, sort of being like, well, how can

795
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: I just like clock in maybe and get like my

796
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 1: royalties and be like the most inoffensive that I possibly

797
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: can be for a half hour on NBC.

798
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 2: And these guys are coming in here, I mean, who

799
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: I loves.

800
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 4: Speak on that and speak on it.

801
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: This guys are rolling up on MTV late at night

802
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: and putting the letting a mouse bite their dick off,

803
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: and why not.

804
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: I do have one more point, actually, which is that,

805
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 2: as we've mentioned, as we've kind of alluded to this

806
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: a few times, there's a lot of danger specifically targeting

807
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: the male genitalia. So in fact, you could say, not

808
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: only aside from everything you've already said, it's also literally

809
00:44:58,520 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 2: kind of a mis interest.

810
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 5: Uh.

811
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 2: The aesthetics of it are almost as though it was

812
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: created by a group of radical feminists to have this

813
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: group of men torturing one another. I mean, we're talking

814
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 2: scum Manifesto level shit.

815
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 5: It is the fantasy of watching the hyper mask body.

816
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 4: Being destroyed and with pleasure.

817
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's destroyed and not just destroyed, humiliated, humiliated, mocked.

818
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 2: It's literally it's like saying look. And and the fact

819
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: that the fact that they're hot, as you said, is

820
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 2: like part of that too, because you you're saying, look,

821
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: these are like white men kind of that have the

822
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: body that we are conditioned to think is ideal. Now

823
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 2: we're going to literally have an alligator bite their nipples off.

824
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 4: And I'm going to speak on this further. We are

825
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 4: getting and I could get in trouble of this jack ass.

826
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 5: We are getting the heateronormative American male form of attractiveness,

827
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 5: which is the rip male.

828
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 4: We got the Johnny's and the SeaBOS.

829
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 5: We have also got a spectrum of all bodies everybody.

830
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 4: We've got Preston that true, he's a big guy, okay, and.

831
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 5: We you and they use this for we They use

832
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 5: this body play for a comedy.

833
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 4: We get him cannonballing off the side of the ship.

834
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 11: Okay, we got we men another different kind of body,

835
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 11: all all bodies, everybody's it's it's the humiliation is inclusive,

836
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 11: and we're playing with it.

837
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 4: We're playing with the body order.

838
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well right exactly. It's like, uh, if it

839
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: was only one kind of body, then then almost the

840
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: commentary would be too obvious. It would be then you're

841
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 2: you're you're like, okay, what is this disease? And sorry's

842
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 2: master of none, you know, you kind of it's you know,

843
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 2: it's too on the nose. But then you add the

844
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: added layer of everything you're talking about, and I mean,

845
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: at that point, you know, this is this is you know,

846
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: we can only study in the film department.

847
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 4: And here's the thing. This is blowing and open a little.

848
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 5: But we can't deny that Jackass culture is the direct

849
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 5: descend of Scape culture, of course, which is an incredibly

850
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 5: straight field. And I think that we should, you know,

851
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 5: commend Jackass for queering straight scape culture.

852
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's a question, like, have we gone too far

853
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 2: in the other direction in this critique?

854
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 4: Yes, it's because I'm about to tell you a story

855
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 4: that's gonna blow your mind.

856
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, please.

857
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 5: Did I wait in line two hours at a jackass

858
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 5: and greet and ask Chris plenty Is to punch me

859
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 5: in the boom and he didn't want to do it.

860
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 6: Yeah wow, So do I forgive him and hope he

861
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 6: doesn't really remember that that was me?

862
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

863
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 4: Just because? Yeah?

864
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 2: Well that so the whole system breaks down, you know,

865
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: is like is basically like this world cannot include non

866
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 2: straight men, but the.

867
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 5: New movie does, and I'm curious to see how that

868
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 5: plays out.

869
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: But wait, him not punching you in the boob, I

870
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: feel like, isn't misogyny inherently? I think it is. I

871
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: think what you were lacking, what you were forgetting, is

872
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: that you weren't in the circle of consent, and he,

873
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: even though you were consenting to him, he was not

874
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 1: necessarily consenting to you. And that you know, you can't

875
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: you can't push it. They built this little circle truck.

876
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 4: It's a circle of trust.

877
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 5: You can't you don't get cassed into it by a

878
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 5: casting director. It's a circle of trust built on mutual

879
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 5: organic respect in fronts.

880
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 2: I guess that's truly.

881
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 4: That violently I violently entered.

882
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, what would it would be the equivalent of someone

883
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: entering the LGBTQ Center and immediately demanding of me have

884
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 2: anal sex with mem I know you like to do this, Yeah,

885
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: so do it with me. If anything, it's almost offensive

886
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: what you did. I mean, it's like it's kind of

887
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 2: like using their own traditions against them. I mean it's

888
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 2: like it's kind of like going to you know, let's say,

889
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 2: a wedding of a tradition that is not your own,

890
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 2: and kind of like taking the traditional food and making

891
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 2: a joke of it and putting it up your nose.

892
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: Well, and sir, how would you feel if you know,

893
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: someone came to a Sarah Score meet and greet and

894
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: was like, well, dump these like brains I brought all

895
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 1: over me? And yeah, how would that feel?

896
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 4: It would feel? I would feel like if I'm violence

897
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 4: had been done. Yeah, and the Chris Funniest.

898
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 5: I apologize for pissing on the sacred church.

899
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 4: Well, Jack, you would not piss on the sacreature, and.

900
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: Yet I did, and yet you did. I Okay, we

901
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: are being so pro jackass. I feel normally we have

902
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: sort of a more nuanced takeaway with our topics where

903
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: it's sort of like, well, we hate it, but we

904
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: do kind of like it. And this one is we

905
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 1: went we went all the way direction.

906
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 4: I think I can find a nuance here.

907
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: I'm genuinely searching, and I'm like, do I talk about

908
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: like how general prank culture is bad, but we already

909
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: kind of did that.

910
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 2: That's like the legacy of it. It's the it's the

911
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 2: legacy of it because and again, whether it's their intention

912
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 2: or their fault or not, it did inspire some of

913
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 2: the worst behavior among teenage boys and later adult men

914
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: that I think our gorgeous country has ever seen. So

915
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 2: do you have a point I want to extrapolate on

916
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: pank culture?

917
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 5: Okay, I think that some people, and I'm taking prink

918
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 5: culture out of the context.

919
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 4: Directly of jackass.

920
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,720
Speaker 5: Sometimes people in our lives go too far with pranks

921
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 5: that aren't skateboarding off the empire, sitate building, that aren't

922
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 5: putting a fish hook through your mouth and jumping into

923
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 5: the shark and vessel waters just general, I'm talking the

924
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 5: realm of cat fishing.

925
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, is catfishing a prank? I mean it's kind of

926
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 2: the ultimate prank.

927
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: I guess that's true. There is something about this being

928
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: born out of skate culture as opposed to being born

929
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: out of comedy culture where they were like brought, they

930
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: found common, but it wasn't like they weren't thinking super

931
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 1: hard about the comedy.

932
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 2: I actually think it would be worse if it was

933
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 2: born out of comedy culture. I just want to go

934
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:11,959
Speaker 2: on the record like.

935
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I'm saying. I fully agree.

936
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 4: Yeaheah, anything good come out of comedy culture?

937
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 5: Really?

938
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I guess, like Joan Rivers.

939
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 4: Bid Way best answer I could think of.

940
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 2: End of last name. I'm like, wait, something good must have. Yeah,

941
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 2: I can't think of anything because the thing was But.

942
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 1: Then George Costanzo the RB. Yeah, it's hard to tell, Okay,

943
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: which one's the hottest go I was gonna say, Chris

944
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: Moni is.

945
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 2: Wait hold on, I'm literally like trying to remember, Oh no,

946
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 2: the hottest to me is Johnny and Pole to start. Okay, Yeah,

947
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 2: I almost think that's basic that that's my answer, but

948
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 2: that it is.

949
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 5: Because he's so hot that he blows convention out of

950
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 5: the water, so there's no litigating this.

951
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I also like, like, I like how Johnny not.

952
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 2: I feel like it was a trend for like ten

953
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,919
Speaker 2: years that when he would do a photo shoot would

954
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 2: do like a really like crazy face that's almost like

955
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,439
Speaker 2: makes him look like a like sick in the head

956
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 2: or like wasn't there. There's probably some mosery plays like

957
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 2: a villain or something like he he there's something about him.

958
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 2: He has like an evil face kind of yeah, evil

959
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,439
Speaker 2: elf face, evil elf face, like.

960
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 4: Miley Cyrus and her dead pet's face, like.

961
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 2: A hundred oh god, I mean Miley Cyrus is dead

962
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 2: Pets era in many ways was born out of Jack

963
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 2: Gass culture. Yeah, yes, yeah, literally.

964
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: Something about like I feel like I've read an article

965
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: and I'm pulled from that with this comment, but it

966
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: like is also a takedown of like suburban culture in

967
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: a way, like yeah, there, what did.

968
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 4: Ban Marjira do to his family home? He destroyed it?

969
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 2: Well, that kind of goes along with skate culture. I mean,

970
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 2: I am so uneducated about the history of skate culture,

971
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 2: but in my mind it is like, ugh, I hope no,

972
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 2: I hope this is not wrong historically, but skaate culture

973
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: to me is like a way to do something alternative

974
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 2: within a suburban context.

975
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: Right. I think maybe it didn't start that way, but

976
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: that's definitely what it has been.

977
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 2: That's at least like in the popular imagination in like

978
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 2: the nineties and two thousands. That's what I would think

979
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 2: when I think of straight culture. It's like the one

980
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 2: alternative thing one could do when living in suburbia.

981
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 4: Well, because you have the violent architecture of suburbia.

982
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, the physical, three dimensional bounds that you're in

983
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 5: with no escape.

984
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 4: What do you do to play in the violent architecture

985
00:54:59,040 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 4: of that?

986
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 5: In the hospit architecture of suburbia, you grind?

987
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 2: And similarly, and I'm about to say something so intelligent

988
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 2: that this zoo might literally end. Okay, Similarly, what do

989
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 2: you do to escape the violent architecture of masculinity?

990
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 5: Oh?

991
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: Wow?

992
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 2: You mind literally self combust by destroying your masculine body. Yep,

993
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 2: the only way out through.

994
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: I mean.

995
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 5: And Johnny Knoxville puts on his evil Knievel, respectful referential.

996
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 5: He knows his place in history, he knows he's intertextually

997
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 5: referring to cultural When he puts his evil canavele on

998
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 5: and he shoots himself out of a rocket, he is

999
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 5: jettisoning himself.

1000
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 4: It's out of his masculinity through the.

1001
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 5: Balance, the balance to violently expel himself.

1002
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: You, I mean, can a podcast be a book? That's

1003
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: what I want to know.

1004
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 2: It's also like it is there's a there's a desire

1005
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 2: to escape, Like basically, it's like it's a desire to

1006
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 2: escape the physical body. It's almost like the end goal

1007
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 2: is like for them to do something so extreme that

1008
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 2: their skeleton leaves the skin. Yeah, it's a desire to

1009
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 2: leave the corporeal form.

1010
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 5: I mean, And this is where my straight walls come up, right,

1011
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 5: okay speaking okay.

1012
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 12: Is where my straight walls the pain and pleasure the

1013
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 12: play Personally, I can't maybe I can't get off on

1014
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 12: suspending myself from the ceiling on my nipple rings.

1015
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 2: Right, that's not for me.

1016
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 4: But is there something in there, this clearing of the

1017
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 4: pain and pleasure?

1018
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 2: Like, right, like what is each one of us has

1019
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 2: our version of doing Jackass?

1020
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: Right, Well, let me derive pleasure from watching Jackass, and

1021
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: so what is what is that?

1022
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 2: It's it's almost like maybe, but then maybe it goes

1023
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 2: full circle and it's like in the same way that

1024
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 2: there you know, there's talk of like penis envy. There's

1025
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 2: almost it's like an envy of being liberated enough to

1026
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 2: destroy your own body. We wish we could be the

1027
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 2: kind of people that could participate in that ritual, but

1028
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 2: I know my limits. I can't.

1029
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 4: I feel pain and I hurt.

1030
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 5: And the part that of my story that I'm leaving

1031
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 5: out about my Chrispanis.

1032
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 2: Encounter you, thank you. I was going to bring it

1033
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 2: back to that was.

1034
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 4: Did I have my friend practice punching me in the

1035
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 4: bood before I posed it to the chrispani Is?

1036
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 2: Yes?

1037
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 4: Was I able to handle it?

1038
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 5: No? Did it cause a rupture of a blood vessel

1039
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 5: inside of one of my breasts that I was bleeding

1040
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 5: out of a nipple for days?

1041
00:57:59,160 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: No?

1042
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 4: A congealed dark brown liquid coming.

1043
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 5: Out of an could Was I a Jewish neurotic, anxious

1044
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 5: jew from Long Island, not a skater, but an anxious bookworm?

1045
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 4: Was not able to handle that? Body horror? Wow?

1046
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 2: Wow?

1047
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 4: I mean what is that feminine?

1048
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 5: You know, not to use speak so binarily, of course,

1049
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 5: but as someone who is a woman with breasts.

1050
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, the shattering of my breast when the fist punched it,

1051
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 4: I did a blood vessel bursting that caused it nipple

1052
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 4: leakad and was I limpded by my female's ign netwirth?

1053
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 2: Body in that moment. Well, but I mean I don't.

1054
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 2: I don't think so, because I think that they are also.

1055
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 2: I mean, you're destroying your body just like they are.

1056
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 2: I mean, you're basically showing that you can be one

1057
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 2: of the guys.

1058
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: I think maybe you underestimated the cost of the pain

1059
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: that they do experience.

1060
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 2: Right, And their nipples bleed constantly.

1061
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: They're always bleeding, They're always cut, They're always broken in

1062
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: some way, and a lot of them had issues and

1063
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: continue to I think probably because they're constantly doing things

1064
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: that cause them pain.

1065
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 4: Well, can I say something problematically?

1066
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: Please?

1067
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 4: Was I in that moment, for lack of a better term,

1068
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 4: a pussy was I?

1069
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 2: I guess what I'm failing to understand is where is this?

1070
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 2: Where do you see cowardice? Because what I see is

1071
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 2: someone who who literally like pushed herself to her limits

1072
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 2: and then, even when you saw that it was painful,

1073
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 2: still asked Chris Panias to once again do the thing

1074
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 2: you knew would cause you pain. So I don't see

1075
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 2: any and nowhere did you give up?

1076
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 4: When the nipple leaked? I went into a panic?

1077
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 2: Anykay, spiral?

1078
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 4: Okay? What God has prevented me from ever pursuing rank picture.

1079
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, lest it's six years late.

1080
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 4: We're talking.

1081
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 5: I had years, yeah, away from this to get a

1082
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 5: bird's eye view.

1083
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 4: And what I've learned, I never want to feel pain.

1084
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: I don't well, and that's your right. And I think

1085
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think you're a pussy as you say.

1086
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: I think maybe you're just learning your boundaries and maybe

1087
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: even you need to work your way up to that

1088
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: level of prank. Maybe you went sort of expert level

1089
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: when you needed to just get like a pinch on

1090
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: the nipple or something. You shouldn't go full punch right

1091
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: off the bat.

1092
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a difficult question to say the least.

1093
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 5: It is because we become a full circle now, Yeah,

1094
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 5: because we came into the.

1095
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 4: Conversation is jackass for boys?

1096
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: Uh huh uh huh.

1097
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 4: Nipple leaks? Right, I leave the circle and maybe it isn't.

1098
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 4: Maybe it isn't the culture for me.

1099
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, do exist within right, sure? But do you think

1100
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 2: that has But but it's it's up the way you

1101
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 2: interpret that. You can interpret that as being about your gender,

1102
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 2: or you can interpret that as just being about you

1103
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 2: not being part of that, about that not being for you.

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01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 2: I mean you could just as easily have been a

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01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 2: guy who tried to do something extreme, then thought that

1106
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 2: it went too far, and then could not handle the pain.

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Speaker 4: I've flattened my personal experience with my right.

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01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 2: I mean it's I did that. You know.

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01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: George was the head of his LGBTQ center, so he's

1110
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: out with things.

1111
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 2: Like this in the past. I've had these kinds of conversations.

1112
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 2: I know, I know the signs. I know when someone

1113
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 2: is flattening their identity because of a you know, prank

1114
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 2: based injury.

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01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,439
Speaker 5: You can see the schism, Okay, you can see how

1116
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 5: the codified organ to me the breast at the time

1117
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 5: of the bleeding. It's a very codified symbol of femininity,

1118
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 5: and I felt betrayed by that femininity.

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Speaker 4: Do you see what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Well you did symbolically choose kind of a

1121
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 2: symbol of cis gender, women, womanhood, the symbol one could

1122
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 2: say exactly, which I think is in keeping with the

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01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 2: spirit of jackass.

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01:02:50,080 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 13: That's true. Wo wow, Okay, well you know.

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01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 4: What, boys? Can I call you that?

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01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 5: You know what?

1127
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 4: This is actually amazing? What maybe twenty twenty two is

1128
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 4: it just the year for music?

1129
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: I'm not following? What else is going to happen with

1130
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: this year?

1131
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 2: Yes, same more.

1132
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 4: Maybe this podcast.

1133
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 5: Is really gonna whole podcasting back into the eternal realm.

1134
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 2: Well, just like in Jackass, they kind of have to

1135
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 2: destroy themselves in order to liberate themselves. They have to

1136
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 2: hurt themselves in order to feel empowered. We had to

1137
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 2: declare the end of podcasting on this episode to save

1138
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 2: the form.

1139
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: And if you are listening to this in the year

1140
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: twenty thirty seven, you're welcome.

1141
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're welcome.

1142
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 4: This podcast is.

1143
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 5: The phoenix that rises out of the twenty twenty one

1144
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 5: Time Best Podcast a Year, jennisoning it as the phoenix

1145
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 5: rising from the ashes forards twenty thirty seven Best Podcast

1146
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 5: Time calling it now I.

1147
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 1: Love it and you know, to be completely honest, Sarah,

1148
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: we have always been post podcast. We started as the

1149
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 1: first post podcast podcast, and so I do feel it

1150
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 1: is our role to show people what a podcast can

1151
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: look like in a post podcast society.

1152
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 2: Much like Jackass, we were ahead of our time in

1153
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 2: the sense that the critical establishment was not ready for

1154
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 2: what we were doing, which was kind of podcasting that

1155
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 2: was born out of the hatred of the art of podcasting,

1156
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 2: and so people kept saying things like you're the top

1157
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 2: podcast of the year, where in fact we were trying

1158
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 2: to say, like no, we're actually kind of trying to

1159
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 2: create an entire new reality where the binary of podcast

1160
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 2: a non podcaster no longer exists.

1161
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 4: You know what it's doing, it's keeping the imagination open.

1162
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, one Sam said so eloquently, can a podcast be

1163
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 5: a book?

1164
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 4: You're opening new ground right when you say.

1165
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 2: Stuff like that. Well, yeah, it's post form. I mean

1166
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 2: the idea of a podcast, as like an audio file

1167
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 2: that gets uploaded to the cloud, is not just limited,

1168
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 2: it's oppressive, and not just to us the people that

1169
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 2: exist within that audio file, but to anyone who listens,

1170
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 2: and even anyone who doesn't listen. I mean, everyone is

1171
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 2: implicated in the same way the Jackass influenced, like how

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01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 2: a generation of men thought about their bodies.

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Speaker 4: I mean, and here's the podcast pod It inhibited small

1174
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 4: oppressive space.

1175
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 2: Well not just that, literally, it's it comes from the

1176
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 2: word iPod corporate literally like corporate, Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 2: It's like limiting, it's limited thing, and it's literally like

1179
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 2: neoliberal exactly, we're infinitely you have to podcast presents a

1180
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 2: red pill, blue pill situation or do you cast?

1181
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 1: This is definitely a pod. This is more pod than cast.

1182
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: This is more than cast limiting Yeah, I think no, no, no,

1183
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 1: Like it's creating a new like pod to exist within

1184
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: I feel.

1185
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 2: You know, in my mind, pod is the limiting one

1186
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 2: and cast is the is the right Sarah.

1187
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 5: But Sam is saying it's giving community.

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01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you are.

1189
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 2: Giving community, and cast is giving turkey girl.

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01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm like, this is in we actually I think

1191
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 1: need to wrap up. We have gotten to such a

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01:06:57,960 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 1: place that I'm like.

1193
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Speaker 14: Afraid, Sam, Sam, don't be afraid when a pioneer so

1194
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 14: germs on new territories.

1195
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 2: Sam, when you are the most afraid, that's when you

1196
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 2: have to keep going. This is like literally like Stevo

1197
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 2: before he jumped off the bridge while his balls were

1198
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 2: tethered to a crocodile.

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Speaker 1: I'm just like the language you have both like pointed

1200
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: out how empty all language is, and it is like

1201
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: making me like but it's also powerful and how we

1202
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 1: can continue to like zoom out exactly a way that

1203
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, how can we keep going? I can't believe

1204
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: this has gone This in.

1205
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 5: The original point of the podcast, right when you guys

1206
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 5: were speaking.

1207
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, is language empty or is it so

1208
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 2: meaningful that you can use it to do, to do so,

1209
01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 2: to do an infinite number of things. Oh, my god.

1210
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 5: Empty because you were Daddy's girl eating vegetables by the

1211
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 5: pool right right?

1212
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 4: Or that eight dimensional.

1213
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 5: Dimensional edifice of language that we we only it's it's

1214
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 5: the it's the iceberg.

1215
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 4: We only see the tip of what that could be.

1216
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 4: We are fo Sagan's flat.

1217
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 5: Land that's turning down on a flat dimension. But Derek

1218
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 5: dimensions unknown to us in that.

1219
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 2: Phrase when you see when you see someone posting, my dad,

1220
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 2: let me sit by the pool because I ate my vegetables.

1221
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 2: That's the tip of the iceberg. And do you want

1222
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,759
Speaker 2: to know what the rest of the iceberg is? Literally

1223
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 2: the history of language?

1224
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 1: Oh my fucking god, this is insane.

1225
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 4: What is this? This is music, This is the music

1226
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 4: of language.

1227
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 2: Podcasts cannot only be books, they can be music of language.

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01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: Well, I just want to congratulate both of you. I

1229
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 1: think this has been so groundbreaking in a way that

1230
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: I think people will be sort of like upset for

1231
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: like a day, Like I think they'll see the world

1232
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 1: like too differently. It will be like they'll see the

1233
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 1: world two different. They'll be like, now I have to

1234
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 1: quit my job, Like now I need to like sort

1235
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 1: of reset my life because I'm seeing through the matrix.

1236
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 1: If you will, certainly, I think it will affect the

1237
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 1: stock market. Dow Jones found dead in a ditch.

1238
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,839
Speaker 4: I think Jones did not understand the assignment.

1239
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 2: No, Dow Jones has never understood the assignment. No, absolutely not.

1240
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 2: Dow Jones stays giving turkey girl.

1241
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 5: Yaller person, next question, next question. Oh, okay, so I'm

1242
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 5: not even kidding.

1243
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 2: I'm like this usually twing, I'm crying. I mean, intellectual

1244
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 2: work is like physically rigorous.

1245
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 1: It's also it is a muscle, and like not to

1246
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 1: be like it's like a Monday night. I was sort

1247
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: of like, you know, what are we going to be

1248
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: bringing to this podcast? Like it could be you know,

1249
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 1: each one is a different mood, and you never know

1250
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 1: when you're going to what just happened? Sarah's looking shocked,

1251
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: But you never know when you're gonna accidentally make a discovery.

1252
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:25,879
Speaker 1: But Sarah, what happened?

1253
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 4: The doorbell ring? The sushi's here.

1254
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,759
Speaker 2: Okay, we have to trap up. We have to trap

1255
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 2: up because the sushi is here, and and honestly, that's

1256
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,680
Speaker 2: commentary more than anything we've said. The fact that this

1257
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 2: podcast ended with sushi arriving almost it's actually I think

1258
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 2: it like doesn't reflect well on us because it's like,

1259
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 2: we're here thinking, we're in the trenches of intellectual work

1260
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 2: and we're just waiting for our sushi. Wow, that is

1261
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 2: so dark.

1262
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 4: Whom the bell tolls? The bell is tolling for Turgi

1263
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 4: girl to get her sushi.

1264
01:10:55,920 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 1: Turkey girl, airplane emoji going sushi girl. Okay, wow, George segment.

1265
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 2: Our final segment is called shout Outs. Now this we're

1266
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 2: we're going back to basics here. We're talking the epitome

1267
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 2: of straight culture, the radio shout out. We like to

1268
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 2: end every episode with each of us giving a shout

1269
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 2: out to something that is giving us life af this week.

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01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:26,639
Speaker 1: Wow, that hurts.

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01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sam, do you have anything?

1272
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 1: I think I do have one that I hope I

1273
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: haven't done in the past, But I don't know why

1274
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 1: I would have, but this, well, what's up pervert streaks

1275
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 1: and losers out there in America and everywhere else? You're normal?

1276
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 1: I assume I want to give a shout to the

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01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 1: one and only the Brooklyn based comedian Dan Lacotta. Our

1278
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 1: conversation around Jackass made me feel like, you know, if

1279
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 1: there's a scholar of the form, it is also Dan

1280
01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 1: Lakatta and I I one time.

1281
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:02,680
Speaker 2: He has a story about how he jumped off of his.

1282
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 1: Roof because he liked Jackass a lot with and he

1283
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 1: was holding an umbrella and he broke both of his legs.

1284
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 1: This guy loves Jackass. And you know, when I meet

1285
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 1: a jackass middle schooler like lover as an adult, it's

1286
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 1: kind of nice to see that they've grown to be

1287
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 1: such a sensitive and the cool person. And Jackass is beautiful,

1288
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 1: and Dan Lacotta is beautiful and squarem Nation is beautiful.

1289
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: And that's very much my shout out.

1290
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 2: All right, what's up idiots out there, and also be

1291
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 2: able who are an idiots and our smart This is

1292
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:41,560
Speaker 2: your boy, George. And my shout out this week is

1293
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 2: I want to give a shout out to that's right,

1294
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 2: starting your New Year's resolutions on February first. Let me

1295
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 2: tell you something. You wake up on January first, you're

1296
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 2: hungover from the night before. If you're me, you just

1297
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 2: recovered from COVID. You are trying to literally just live

1298
01:12:56,479 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 2: your life and honestly survive from one hour to the next.

1299
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 2: And yet what are you doing February first? Suddenly you're refreshed.

1300
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 2: It is a more manageable month because there are fewer days.

1301
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,799
Speaker 2: Why not start your resolutions there? Why not take January

1302
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 2: as a period of self reflection of the year that

1303
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 2: just passed, rather than being so obsessed with productivity that

1304
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 2: you start your resolution right after the new year, and

1305
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 2: then with a sense of zen, with a sense of

1306
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 2: you know, you know, looking towards the bright future, start

1307
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 2: your resolutions on February first. So my shout out to

1308
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 2: you is take a moment, just smile the roses, and

1309
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:36,480
Speaker 2: start your resolutions on February first. Woooooo.

1310
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, George, you were incredible at like giving extensions

1311
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 1: on your assignments, weren't you?

1312
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 2: I was pretty good at it.

1313
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 1: Okay, Sarah, whenever you are ready.

1314
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 3: What the fuckers and fuckhead and what the fuck next?

1315
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:56,759
Speaker 3: This is my shout out for tonight, my amazing straight

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01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 3: boyfriend who was being support of me while I was.

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Speaker 4: Screaming on a podcast in the apartment tonight.

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Speaker 1: And you know, listeners should know that Sarah, even you know,

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Speaker 1: displaced him and had to sort of close the door,

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Speaker 1: sort of say I'm taking the space for my.

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Speaker 4: I colonize the space.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was an act of radical violence, radical violence,

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Speaker 2: radical feminist violence. That was an act of radical feminist violence.

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Speaker 2: Straight straight power fist again. Okay, well, Sarah, this has

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Speaker 2: been absolutely incredible. Thank you so much for doing our podcast.

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Speaker 4: Thank you guys so much for having me. I've never

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Speaker 4: felt so enlightened.

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Speaker 2: I don't think any of us have, and I don't

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Speaker 2: think our listeners have either to be perfect.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna need to. No, they have no idea. And

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Speaker 1: imagine if I had kept with the beginning bit of

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Speaker 1: trying to predict what our conversation was going to be, like,

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Speaker 1: what a mistake that?

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Speaker 2: Oh I know?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Okay, well being said, bye, Yeah, shout out to Boyfriends Everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Podcast ends now for our visual learners. You can watch

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Speaker 2: full video episodes on our YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: And subscribe to our Patreon for two extra episodes a month.

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Speaker 2: At patreon dot com. Slash Stradio Lab.

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Speaker 1: Stradio Lab is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money

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Speaker 1: Players Network and iHeart Podcasts, created.

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Speaker 2: And hosted by me George Severs and Sam Taggart.

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Speaker 1: Executive produced by Jenna Cagel, co produced by Becca Ramos.

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Speaker 2: Edited by Laurence Stump, and mixed and mastered by Doug Bain.

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Speaker 1: Artwork by Michael Failes and Matt Grubb. Theme music by

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Speaker 1: Ben Kling