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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noah.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,

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Speaker 3: you are you. You are here that makes this the

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Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you to know. It is finally

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Speaker 3: becoming a little autumnal here in our fair metropolis of Atlanta, Georgia,

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Speaker 3: and we cannot wait to explore strange news with you.

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Speaker 1: Up.

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Speaker 3: We've got a couple of things at the top. I

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Speaker 3: gotta say every time I hear a story about someone

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Speaker 3: getting in trouble for handing out free water, I cannot

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Speaker 3: help but roll my eyes.

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Speaker 4: It just makes me think of Larry David right now,

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Speaker 4: and then the recent curve he took that issue to

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Speaker 3: You know, you also, at least in Georgia, you can't

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Speaker 3: give people water if they're waiting in line as the

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Speaker 3: poles right which informed you know, curb your enthusiasm So

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Speaker 3: shout out to David Martin, who is, as we record,

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Speaker 3: fighting his HOA because he hands out water. Also shout

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Speaker 3: out to hoa's but not in a complimentary way.

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Speaker 4: Wait, like at his house he hands out water to

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Speaker 4: like people walking down the street.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, similar to how we had the free fridges here

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Speaker 3: in Atlanta. What he was doing is leaving a cooler

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Speaker 4: And the HOA is saying that's against their terms or something,

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Speaker 4: because it's like a liability because perhaps he's poisoning the

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Speaker 5: I'm curious.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, I know this isn't your main story, but oh geez,

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Speaker 4: may choice.

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Speaker 3: I just want to point it out because the idea

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Speaker 3: that you can't share share free water with people. Maybe

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Speaker 3: it's a liability issue and something we'll look into later,

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Speaker 3: but it reminds me of it feels like a lifetime

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Speaker 3: ago when I almost got arrested for giving out free

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Speaker 3: bread in Peapont Park. You also can't do.

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Speaker 4: That, monster, but you can feed pigeons bread, not people,

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Speaker 4: though not people, right right. Sorry, It just makes me

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Speaker 4: think of like how like in a lot of other countries,

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Speaker 4: food that is thrown out is given to less fortunate folks,

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Speaker 4: but here it's illegal. It's like they literally are required

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Speaker 3: Unless we be funny duddies about it, we should note

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Speaker 3: that there are obviously valid concerns about food safety. Like

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Speaker 3: my thing in Peapont Park was not an above board operation.

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Speaker 3: I was working in a bakery and I had, you know,

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Speaker 3: like a trash bag of fkasha and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, not a legal pop up. Anyway, We're

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Speaker 3: going to get to so many things we wanted to

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Speaker 3: share with you, folks. One thing I think we should

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Speaker 3: tease we're talking off air about a lot of AI stuff.

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Speaker 3: We were also talking about a grand debate between regarding

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Speaker 3: mobile technology and its possible effects on the brain. There

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Speaker 3: is a very strange true crime story we're going to

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Speaker 3: get to. What do you think, guys, what if we

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Speaker 3: take a quick break and return to repair the reputation

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Speaker 3: of a friend of ours from far away in the ocean. Folks,

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Speaker 3: if you are tuning in tonight the time strange news airs,

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Speaker 3: then you, like us, have got to be excited for

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Speaker 3: Monday night football. It's the forty nine Ers and the Jets.

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Speaker 4: Oh, man, bet, do you really think Benny and the

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Speaker 4: Jets is an objectively bad song?

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Speaker 5: By Sir Elton? Be biased? But that's fair.

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Speaker 2: But but but why would you think that.

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Speaker 5: He's got electric boots?

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Speaker 4: Ben?

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Speaker 3: Well, maybe I'll reevaluate my opinion of Beny and the Jets.

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Speaker 5: But depending on who wins the football contest, right.

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Speaker 2: You guys, there's all that Elton John like the biopic

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Speaker 2: I guess that came out and everything. I have this

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Speaker 2: weird thing where I want to see Will Ferrell play

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Speaker 2: a PayPal ad.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what a goofball watch Will Ferrell do anything?

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Speaker 3: And he's at peak Farrell right now.

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Speaker 5: He's America's goofball.

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Speaker 3: PayPal does seem to be popping up everywhere, though, and

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Speaker 3: I hear they might be taking part of the game tonight.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's funds like a little televisual scavenger.

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Speaker 5: So tune in on ESPN tonight. And see for yourself

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Speaker 5: during the big game.

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Speaker 2: Wait, do you think Will Ferrell's going to be in

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Speaker 5: Who knows that guy pops up straight places? I hope so.

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Speaker 3: And we have returned. Do you guys remember our previous

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Speaker 3: episodes on the ideas of animals as spies non human animals?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the concepts often well, I remember, like cetaceans, dolphins

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Speaker 3: There were also what we've seen different countries try some

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Speaker 3: can check out our earlier episodes on Ridiculous History for

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Speaker 3: some of those stories, as well as stuff they don't

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Speaker 3: want you to know. I'm thinking in particular of our

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Speaker 3: even now that animals have been have been weaponized, and

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Speaker 3: you gotta feel terrible for the animals because what happens

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's suspicious animals with stuff on them that

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Speaker 4: The sharks have freaking lasers strapped to them. Is it

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Speaker 4: Lasers can be microphones too, they can be listening devices

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Speaker 3: And this brings us to the story A tragic story

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Speaker 3: of our good friend Valdemir or that's what that's what

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Speaker 3: but because he was trying to get his harness off.

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Speaker 3: And most beluga whales in the wild don't have harnesses,

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Speaker 5: That seems on the nose, doesn't it for a spy.

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Speaker 4: It's like Vladimir was here, you know, property of the

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Speaker 5: That's kind of amazing. What's the latest though.

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Speaker 3: Ah yeah, we'll build to that. Because first, I love

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Speaker 3: the point of Voldemir being somehow a very bad spy,

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Speaker 3: you like Vladimir Putin. So Voldemir was a mysterious character

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Speaker 3: and since twenty nineteen he was monitored. He would swim

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, boys.

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Speaker 2: There the I have only just met you, but I

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Speaker 5: So much unconditionally. Ben so is is a beluga? Will?

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Speaker 5: Is it in the dolphin range? Is it a cetacean

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Speaker 4: Looks like we've got two beautiful belugas here in Atlanta

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Speaker 4: They've found in a tank under some sort of decommissioned ride.

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Speaker 4: So they do act similarly to dolphins, And I asking

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Speaker 3: We haven't found anything indicating an amorous nature of that

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Speaker 3: regard to Voldemort. Yeah, for this guy, but we have seen,

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Speaker 3: we have seen proven military cetacean training programs. So this idea,

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Speaker 5: If found police call Johnny. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It's like this isn't like a freaking textbook, you know.

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Speaker 3: And here's where we get to our unfortunate turn. Voldemir

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Speaker 5: Holy crap, you assassinated. He was taken out. He knew

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Speaker 5: too much.

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Speaker 3: This just adds this story to and thinking back to

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Speaker 3: this poor beluga had. So everybody was pretty heartbroken. No

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Speaker 3: This guy is not a spy. It wasn't a spy.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of unfair to call it. He definitely came

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Speaker 3: that he was something called a therapy animal. I've never

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Speaker 4: I was gonna ask because the harness, I mean, you

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Speaker 4: often see sorry not meaning, but that just the harness

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Speaker 5: That you really love tennis balls.

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Speaker 4: I have a hard time believing that a beluga whale

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Speaker 2: We got a theory, all right, the thing on the back,

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Speaker 5: Training of Soulsire's Guide to the Galaxy even.

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Speaker 2: And they're being trained, and that's why they had to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sorry, bet, what what offense is required to

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Speaker 3: You know what they did? Okay, I'm just gonna keep

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Speaker 3: it that that. No, No, it seems like in this

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Speaker 5: And Matt's theories are the best, and.

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Speaker 3: The idea here also sets us up for a great

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Speaker 5: No, but it does just make me think of the story.

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Speaker 4: And then I say a thing about like how all

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Speaker 5: Strange news I've ever heard.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, going through it, going through it, guys, But we're

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Speaker 4: And we've returned with another piece of strange news. Ben,

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Speaker 4: you mentioned turning it around. I think you were correct,

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Speaker 5: Skeptical.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, Mat, wait wait, wait, wait, but we have

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Speaker 5: But the fact of the matter is that these waves

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Speaker 4: They're outside, you know, they're being emitted from all kinds

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Speaker 4: There is a really good kind of breakdown of the

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Speaker 4: Supposed to seek a particular outcome in a scientific experiment

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Speaker 5: So I don't know this to be the case.

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Speaker 3: Right, But thirty eight years or excuse me, twenty eight

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Speaker 5: Of can't think so too, I think so too.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if you guys ever have had

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Speaker 4: So, Matt, are you saying that's a symptom of just

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Speaker 2: compared to other phones. So for me, you look at

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Speaker 2: if you look at the entirety of the thing, maybe

443
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Speaker 2: it's not so dangerous. I'm just a little more skeptical

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Speaker 2: of an individual model that maybe has some kind of

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Speaker 2: flaw accidentally built into the system that when a bunch

446
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Speaker 2: of energy is surging through it, specifically you need to

447
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Speaker 2: be more careful, which is what I thought. I think

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Speaker 2: it was one of the last rounds of iPhones. We

449
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Speaker 2: were supposed to be careful of it, at least for

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Speaker 2: a while there.

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Speaker 5: It's one of those.

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Speaker 4: Things, too, are you know you I certainly see stories

453
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Speaker 4: of people that rip a pack of smokes a day

454
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Speaker 4: and live to be one hundred and then some people

455
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Speaker 4: get lung cancer seemingly no exposure to carcinogens.

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Speaker 5: So I'm always skeptical.

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Speaker 4: I always say with this kind of stuff, well, we're

458
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Speaker 4: all gonna get cancer from something, you know, we especially

459
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Speaker 4: with what we know about microplastics and how prevalent those

460
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Speaker 4: are like in our bodies, and how little we can

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Speaker 4: do about it.

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Speaker 5: So I tend not to lose sleep over this kind

463
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Speaker 5: of stuff.

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Speaker 4: And that's because I'm listening to a podcast with my

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Speaker 4: phone speaker shoved right up against the side of my head.

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Speaker 5: And that's true.

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Speaker 3: So that brings up AirPods too, wireless of your buds

468
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Speaker 3: or another concerned.

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Speaker 5: People, isn't concern.

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Speaker 4: But they also they slip out of my ears when

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Speaker 4: I sleep and then I lose them.

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Speaker 5: So I don't do that.

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Speaker 4: But no, to your appointment, that is still a type

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Speaker 4: of RF you know, connection that is hyped directly into

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Speaker 4: your brain. But for my money, I choose not to

476
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Speaker 4: lose too much sleep over that, And I would like

477
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Speaker 4: to think that at the very least this is re

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Speaker 4: assuring news to some degree.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Also, you know, if you're hearing this and you

480
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Speaker 3: feel strongly skeptical of it, you can you can read

481
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Speaker 3: the study in depth yourself, I believe. And if that doesn't,

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Speaker 3: you know, a swatch concerns, then there's another I would think,

483
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Speaker 3: just philosophical therapeutic aspect to this, which is that if

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Speaker 3: you still fundamentally get your spidy sense tripped by the

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Speaker 3: possibility of you know, these devices giving you some kind

486
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Speaker 3: of damaging health effect, then it's not going to hurt

487
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Speaker 3: you to be away from your phone for a while,

488
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. That's actually a really good

489
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Speaker 3: thing for you mentally. So there's no harm in pract

490
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Speaker 3: and acting as though this stuff could have these health effects,

491
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 3: because even at a merely psychological level, you will experience

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Speaker 3: benefits from not always having that bad boy, you know,

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Speaker 3: right next to your all strip.

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Speaker 5: On your hip.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, like no, to Matt's point about the

496
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Speaker 4: phantom vibrations or whatever. Like I don't know that was

497
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Speaker 4: a sort of twofold, but like I can relate to that.

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Speaker 4: It's like a phantom limb, you know, when you lose

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Speaker 4: access to that device, you start to kind of, you know,

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Speaker 4: tweak out a little bit. And it makes me think

501
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Speaker 4: of a listener that wrote in talking about targeted advertising,

502
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Speaker 4: about keeping like a diary because of I believe it

503
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 4: was some program they were in and doing that on

504
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Speaker 4: their phone and then all of a sudden being served

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Speaker 4: up with all these ads. And while that freaked them out,

506
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 4: it was the impetus that led them to doing a

507
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Speaker 4: proper journal on paper and separating themselves from their phone,

508
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Speaker 4: which they reported as offering splendid mental health benefits. So

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00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 4: maybe there's silver lining here, you know, if we do

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Speaker 4: just decide to separate ourselves from our teathers a little.

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Speaker 3: It's so cool, man. I'm obviously the death of our

512
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 3: Beluga associates has me thinking a lot about the days

513
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Speaker 3: of maritime expansion. But can you imagine how cool this

514
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 3: one aspect of life in the seventeen and eighteen hundreds

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Speaker 3: may have been. You're not expected to answer people instantly.

516
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 3: No one cares about being left on red. As a

517
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Speaker 3: matter of fact, you could just you could just freaking

518
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Speaker 3: disappear for months on end, and when he came back,

519
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 3: people would just be surprised you were alive. They would

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Speaker 3: be like, oh, Hiram, you've survived the troubles.

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Speaker 4: Bro As recently as the nineties, it did wonders for

522
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Speaker 4: sitcom gags, none of that stuff would have been possible,

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Speaker 4: and not to mention like murder mysteries. You know, let's

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Speaker 4: just torpedo the plot right away by like having a

525
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Speaker 4: you know, I device on hand. So yes, there are

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Speaker 4: definitely benefits, and it's something that I'm working on myself

527
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Speaker 4: as a admitted device addict. So I had another one

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Speaker 4: those kind of AI related But I think we actually

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00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 4: got more than enough meat out of this story for today,

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Speaker 4: So I'm gonna save this one for next week because

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Speaker 4: it is kind of herm irrelevant. So why don't we

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Speaker 4: take a quick break, hear a word from our sponsor,

533
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 4: and then come back with a story from Matt.

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Speaker 2: And we've returned and you're with me now there's no escape.

535
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: So guys, I'm going to start this one off by

536
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Speaker 2: going down memory lane, specifically with you Ben do you

537
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 2: recall in June twenty sixteen, we got on a plane

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Speaker 2: flew out to California to Van NY's, specifically to a

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Speaker 2: place called Cagle Canyon. I think that's how you say it.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, yeah, Cagal Canyon. I don't he a g

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Speaker 2: e l ok.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we said it that way on purpose. It's fun.

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Speaker 4: It's just you know, it's good for women's health.

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Speaker 2: Kagale. I don't know how to say it. It's that's

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Speaker 2: how it's spelled. But it's specifically to Van Nights, California.

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Speaker 2: It's the first time and only time I've ever been

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Speaker 2: in the place that's called Van Nis, California. Do you

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Speaker 2: remember anything about that? And Nol do you have any

549
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Speaker 2: experience in that town?

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Speaker 5: No, I don't know about Kegletown.

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Speaker 3: I uh, it's Cagletown's a state of mind.

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00:30:59,520 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: It's a cave.

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00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a so I think we keep it it

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Speaker 3: all right now. I've never been to Kegletown that it's

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Speaker 3: a state of mind. You can get there now.

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Speaker 2: Well, I remember it being beautiful. It was really cool.

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Speaker 2: We shot some stuff out there for a pilot. It

558
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: was really really fun. Got to I think roll down

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Speaker 2: a hill or two like on purpose and look heroic

560
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: doing it.

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Speaker 3: Secrets of the Melungeon silver Mines. That was what we

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Speaker 3: were asked to do a pilot on, and I think

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00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 3: for the purpose of what we're exploring here, I agree.

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Speaker 3: The vista's the scenery just absolutely stunning. Unfortunately, this is

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Speaker 3: part of the US for anybody unfamiliar, this is part

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Speaker 3: of California that's increasingly threatened by wildfires. So one thing

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Speaker 3: I remember is we were hanging out in these amazing

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Speaker 3: forested area is and then you would see very strongly

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Speaker 3: worded warnings about how a wildfire could just be coming

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Speaker 3: for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, oh yeah. And if you want to

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Speaker 2: know where this place is, you can look it up

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Speaker 2: on a map. It is. I don't know. I guess

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Speaker 2: I would say if you go northwest past the Hollywood

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Speaker 2: Sign and just keep going for a while, that's where

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Speaker 2: this area of California is. And we're talking about this

577
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Speaker 2: today because in my mind I can't picture the thing

578
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Speaker 2: that we're about to talk about happening happening here just

579
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Speaker 2: because of what I experienced when I was there, again,

580
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Speaker 2: given for a very short amount of time and in

581
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Speaker 2: a more nature centered area of this part of town.

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Speaker 2: Here it goes. In twenty eighteen, in this part of California,

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Speaker 2: and in several other parts of California, and even in

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Speaker 2: Georgia and several other states, there began a very long

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Speaker 2: and very frequent string of burglaries, specifically burglaries. There were

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Speaker 2: homes in many very nice neighborhoods in Van Nights, this

587
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Speaker 2: part of California place called Thousand Oaks, which is, uh,

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00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 2: this is another area right over there. Have you heard

589
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: of that one?

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Speaker 5: This is Van Nis is where they make all the porno,

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Speaker 5: isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Oh? Maybe I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Oh it's Chatsworth.

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Speaker 2: Well, dang, I didn't see any while I was there.

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Speaker 3: It is you know what at that time, it's a

596
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Speaker 3: why it's a widespread industry, right, okay, well widespread?

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Speaker 2: Come on, Hey, no, I've all right, so sorry.

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Speaker 5: I haven't even looked at your story. I just saw

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Speaker 5: your headline. I was okay, sorry, this is Born related?

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Speaker 5: Is it not? No? Oh?

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Speaker 4: Okay, because I just google Van Nis and I got

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Speaker 4: a headline burglar breaks into Van Nights home and watches Born.

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Speaker 5: Oh no, that's that's a different that's a different story. Inside.

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Speaker 3: Just to defend the rogues in the audience. There was

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Speaker 3: also recently, I want to say, somewhere in Europe, maybe Germany,

606
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 3: there was a guy who broke in to commit a

607
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 3: burglary and got caught because he stopped to read a book. So, oh,

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Speaker 3: you know, I also don't burglarize houses. But this is

609
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Speaker 3: just the beginning of the story.

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Speaker 2: Correct, Yes, this is the beginning of the story. This

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Speaker 2: is twenty eighteen. There's a string of burglary is in

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Speaker 2: Thousand Oaks and several other what is described here at

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Speaker 2: least by the Ventura County Star as nice neighborhoods, really

614
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Speaker 2: expensive homes. The Ventura County Sheriff's Office begins an investigation

615
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: at that point because they realize there are similarities in

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Speaker 2: these burglaries. First, if they ever caught anyone, they noticed

617
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Speaker 2: that the suspects involved were foreign nationals, mostly from the

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Speaker 2: country of Chile, and they were in the US on

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Speaker 2: very short term visas. And this is an interesting thing

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Speaker 2: because Chile, Chile, it's one of the only countries that

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Speaker 2: as a citizen of that country, you can come and

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Speaker 2: visit the United States and automatically get a short term visa.

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Speaker 2: I think it's like sixty to ninety days. I think

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Speaker 2: it is ninety day Visa. And they noticed that the

625
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: specific homes that were targeted backed up into some kind

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Speaker 2: of open space like where you could park a car,

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Speaker 2: probably that the break ins occurred in sliding glass windows

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Speaker 2: that were on the backs of those very nice houses,

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Speaker 2: and that all of the cars that were driven by

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Speaker 2: these suspects were rented from the same place, a place

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Speaker 2: in I think you say this Pacoima, Pacoima, maybe a

632
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 2: place in Pacoima that was called Driver Power Rental. That

633
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 2: was the title of the company, but really it was

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Speaker 2: just a lot that had some cars on it. Weird thing, guys,

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Speaker 2: These cars that were on that lot were like luxury cars,

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Speaker 2: really nice looking, well maintained luxury cars that fit perfectly

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Speaker 2: in the neighborhoods where these burglaries were happening. So they

638
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 2: began an undercover investigation. They had an undercover officer go

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00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: and attempt to rent a vehicle from this place. And

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00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 2: since this undercover officer had an actual driver's like ID

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Speaker 2: card that was, you know, a real name, a real person,

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Speaker 2: he was turned away, at least according to the undercover investigation.

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Speaker 2: And it's found out after several attempts of trying to

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Speaker 2: get into this place, that only people with fake IDs

645
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: were allowed to rent from this place, and only specific

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00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: people who were referrals were allowed to rent. So you

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00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 2: had to be a referral and have a fake ID

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00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 2: then you could get a freaking Corvette or whatever and

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00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: ride around. Doesn't that feel a little weird just at

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Speaker 2: first before we get into the rest of this.

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Speaker 3: Definitely a red flag level set up for a front

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00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 3: company of some sort, you know, like if you've ever

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00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 3: and look, they're fronts in every large town or city.

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Speaker 3: Think about the Think about the store that you pass

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Speaker 3: by every day and you always think, how is that

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Speaker 3: guy still open? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: Oh, dude, absolutely.

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Speaker 3: And then you walk in and they say, oh, we

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Speaker 3: don't take walkins. You go for a TV repair store?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Are you sure, right, Matt?

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Speaker 4: I gotta ask, did these cars come with ghetaway drivers?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 2: You go to this rental place and you get a

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Speaker 2: car and you go do whatever you want to do

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Speaker 2: in that car, except for I think we have to

666
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Speaker 2: just keep going down the path here, guys. Yeah, yeah,

667
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Speaker 2: except for in some cases you were told where to go,

668
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Speaker 2: you were given a target essentially by the people who

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Speaker 2: are running that rental car service. Okay, let's jump to

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Speaker 2: August twenty eighth. That's a Wednesday. Just happened. This is

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Speaker 2: from ABC News, written by Josh Haskell. Title is six

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Speaker 2: arrested in crime Tourism bust. Group allegedly ran La based

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Speaker 2: car rental company for thieves, and it is the owners

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Speaker 2: to owners of this Van Nuy's car rental agency that

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Speaker 2: we just mentioned, Driver Power Rental, have been accused of

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Speaker 2: running this thing and specifically for bringing in This is

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Speaker 2: according to ABC News, quote criminals from South America to

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Speaker 2: steal millions of dollars in cash and property from southern

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Speaker 2: California businesses and homes. Specifically, this group is accused of

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Speaker 2: or and charged with, let's say, wirefraud, money laundering, conspiracy,

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Speaker 2: and structuring transactions to avoid financial reporting requirements. Which guess

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Speaker 2: what that means. Guys, we've talked about this before. All

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Speaker 2: their financial transactions were less than ten thousand dollars, which

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Speaker 2: meant that the what's that federal agency?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't have to, it doesn't immediately get reported

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Speaker 3: to the authorities. Oh gosh, it's not FDIC FDIC.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Matt, this sounds like a mission in Grand Theft

688
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Speaker 4: Auto five.

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Speaker 2: Really no, it just sounds.

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Speaker 5: Like I mean, maybe it's something that'll be in Grand

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Speaker 5: Thefought of six if that ever comes out, but doesn't.

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is wild. It's pretty enterprising. Yeah, gotta

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Speaker 5: give them that.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah for sure.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 2: The reason why I think it is so fascinating is

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Speaker 2: I love an undercover investigation. We talked about those on

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Speaker 2: the show a lot. This was a six year investigation

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Speaker 2: that just ended this past Wednesday. As we're recording.

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Speaker 3: This also just a housekeeping note to go down in

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Speaker 3: front of the email. Banks have to report to the

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Speaker 3: US Treasury Department.

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Speaker 2: That's it, the Treasury Department.

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Speaker 3: The FDICE is the insurance outfit. The Treasury deposit is

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Speaker 3: ensured up to right right, and the Treasury Department, Uh,

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Speaker 3: they run the money and weirdly enough, the Secret Service.

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Speaker 3: Nothing strange there. Moving on this undercover investigation though, I

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Speaker 3: love that you're pointing this out. Man, I'm a sucker

709
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 3: for these stories too. Oh, it's how do you so?

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Speaker 3: They've already kind of tried to protect themselves with this

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00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 3: sort of international targeting, right, They've separated a lot of

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Speaker 3: their pieces. You can't just rock up there without a referral, right,

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Speaker 3: So how would someone theoretically, I don't know, how would

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Speaker 3: they theoretically start to infiltrate through these different barriers.

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Speaker 2: Well, see, I don't know. There's so much information that

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Speaker 2: we don't know yet. All we know comes from a

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Speaker 2: press release that was put out by the US Attorney's

718
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Speaker 2: Office for the Central District of California, released on Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: August twenty eighth, and it just says indictment charges Santa

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Speaker 2: Clarita Man and six others with facilitating crimeterism group that

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Speaker 2: took in more than five million dollars and illicit proceeds.

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Speaker 2: And according to that, basically thirty five million dollars roughly

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Speaker 2: worth of stuff was stolen over the course of all

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Speaker 2: these years since twenty eighteen. And then this group appears

725
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Speaker 2: to have profited around five million dollars from fencing all

726
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Speaker 2: that stuff. And you know the various I guess things

727
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Speaker 2: that they offered to potential clients to come in and

728
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Speaker 2: then steal stuff. Well, I guess we can give you

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Speaker 2: the names. There's a fifty seven year old man named

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Speaker 2: Juan Carlos Fula Duran who was arrested he was one

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Speaker 2: of the owners of this company, the rental company. And

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Speaker 2: then Anna Maria are Gada, I think is how you'd

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Speaker 2: say her name. She's forty one years old. They lived

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Speaker 2: together in the quote Canyon Country area of Santa Clarita.

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Speaker 2: I don't know all these places in California, guys, but

736
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Speaker 2: I've heard the Californians say them for sure.

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Speaker 6: Four five, yes, exactly, the five exactly to the five.

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Speaker 6: What are you, Trevor, He's a California.

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Speaker 3: That's how they acted when you walked into drive Power

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Speaker 3: Rentals without a referral?

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Speaker 2: Oh, what do you do?

742
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Speaker 3: You do?

743
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Speaker 2: But there are four other people who were also involved

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Speaker 2: who are also indicted. There are I think a total

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Speaker 2: of forty six federal felony counts that are involved in

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Speaker 2: this stuff, and I think each of them has a

747
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Speaker 2: sentence of like twenty years. Not minimal, but the Senates

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Speaker 2: of twenty years. The wire fraud and money laundering charges

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Speaker 2: carry sentences of twenty years, so yikes, and there are

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Speaker 2: a lot of those. The other thing is there are

751
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Speaker 2: a couple other companies that were also involved, including that

752
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 2: rental company. It also got indicted, so I guess the

753
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: company is in trouble and then whatever proceeds the company

754
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 2: has are now subject to being just taken. I don't know,

755
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: there's a lot more to this story, you guys. It

756
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: just seems really really creepy to know that something like

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00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 2: that exists, and it's just went on for years and

758
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Speaker 2: years that the rental company was even able to get

759
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: a bunch of the Remember the COVID money that you could.

760
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Speaker 3: Get PP loans.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, think out like two hundred and twenty something,

762
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Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty thousand dollars worth of those loans,

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Speaker 2: and maybe even more than that. It's it's in the

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Speaker 2: indictment somewhere. You can check it out and find the

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Speaker 2: exact number. Two hundred and seventy four nine and ninety

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Speaker 2: eight dollars. Good god, it's a lot of money just to,

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Speaker 2: you know, help some people rob really nice houses. I

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Speaker 2: don't know. I don't have a ton else to say

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Speaker 2: about this one, guys, But besides, read the entire story

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Speaker 2: if you want to, there are one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 2: thefts that were connected directly to this group of people.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy. One hundred and twenty different instances of theft.

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Speaker 3: And like we always say, with operations of this magnitude

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Speaker 3: and longevity. It makes you think, how many haven't been caught?

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I know. Well, and let's just go

776
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: ahead and say this. We mentioned at the top A

777
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Speaker 2: lot of these were in nice neighborhoods in California, some

778
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Speaker 2: were in Georgia, Florida, North Carolina, New Jersey, Missouri, and Colorado.

779
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Speaker 2: So working through this group specifically this group of people,

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Speaker 2: folks were able to come in again I imagine, like we're

781
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Speaker 2: going on a quick theft vacation, I guess or something,

782
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 2: because you had to be connected in some way to

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Speaker 2: this group of criminals to then even get a car

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Speaker 2: to then go and do the thing you're trying to do.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, what's the language these in the indictment crime tourism.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Matt, I saw a really interesting I guess it

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Speaker 4: was a TikTok video, but it was somebody who was

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Speaker 4: driving around the interstate I think it was in California

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Speaker 4: and was like it was taking a video from passenger seat,

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Speaker 4: I believe, and it was this like hot rod kind

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Speaker 4: of souped up sports car with tinted windows and no

792
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 4: license plate, and it was just zinging around in and

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Speaker 4: out of traffic and also had what it apparently has

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00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 4: called a three hundred and sixty degree camera. And the

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00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 4: guy was just commenting on that as a guy that

796
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 4: will never be pulled over by the police.

797
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 5: And then it did a next.

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Speaker 4: Time and it was a news report of that exact

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Speaker 4: car being boxed in by police. And it was just

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00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 4: the coolest, like little video like that because it actually

801
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 4: had kind of a story, a trajectory to the story.

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Speaker 4: But I gotta wonder if these cars were equipped with

803
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 4: stuff like that, like were they properly registered, did they have,

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00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 4: you know, legal plates?

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00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 5: I got a wonder. Maybe that information hasn't been released yet,

806
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 5: but it does make you wonder.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes you wonder for sure. As part of

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Speaker 2: the endictment and investigation, as we said, the human beings

809
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Speaker 2: and the companies are in trouble, there was a bunch

810
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 2: of property that was taken or has been seized, as

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Speaker 2: well as several cars, I think twenty five cars and

812
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Speaker 2: guys quote some horses.

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00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 4: Cool anyway, in case you want to knock over a

814
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Speaker 4: stagecoach or something while you're at it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Well, it just makes you whatever, what

816
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: else is going on out there? So if you hear anything,

817
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: don't let us know. I guess because we can't start

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Speaker 2: a cool undercover investigation yet.

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Speaker 5: Well, don't you know, make it hypothetical.

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Speaker 3: Let's phrase things and hypotheticals, just like when you're fooling

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