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Speaker 1: Do Do Do Do do Yo. What's going on? This
Speaker 1: is the Fantasy Best Friends Forever. I am Frank Standford.
Speaker 1: While Gregg Sousman is off doing executive things. I feel
Speaker 1: like he's running back into the building right now. Yesterday
Speaker 1: we spoke about the early round wide receivers. Today we're
Speaker 1: gonna get into the middle round wide receivers, that's rounds
Speaker 1: three through five. Maybe we'll get a little bit deeper
Speaker 1: than that. We really spoke about the top ten guys
Speaker 1: that cut off there with Mike Evans. Maybe we talk
Speaker 1: a little bit more about t Y Hilton today on
Speaker 1: the fact that Andrew Luck has not thrown the ball
Speaker 1: twenty plus yards down the field and either one of
Speaker 1: the first preseason games. He has been doing it in practice,
Speaker 1: but we haven't seen it in game action yet, So
Speaker 1: is that worries something. We'll get into that as well. Um,
Speaker 1: We're gonna start with the stat of the day while
Speaker 1: I'm here waiting occaciently from my guy Greg Susman. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's really Stats of the day and it has to
Speaker 1: do with Chris Hogan from weeks one through eight last season,
Speaker 1: Chris Hogan wide receiver eight overall and half PPR. He
Speaker 1: had sixty yards or a touchdown in six of those
Speaker 1: eight games, Greg Suspen, So, yeah, man, what's going on
Speaker 1: the day? You have to bring the show in the
Speaker 1: album jumping and jumping right in. So man, now much
Speaker 1: are you doing? I'm doing well. I'm doing well. You
Speaker 1: can care of business dat here of business on the
Speaker 1: program to day, Frank you mentioned it's that of the
Speaker 1: day wide receivers and sorry the day we'll get back
Speaker 1: to it. We'll definitely back. But yesterday we did the
Speaker 1: first and second wide first and second round wide receivers
Speaker 1: today we in the middle. We the middle rounds the
Speaker 1: next guys. We figured we do the top ten. We
Speaker 1: wanted to go from like eleven to twenty four ish,
Speaker 1: and that's the plan and we're going to kind of
Speaker 1: see how it goes from there. Yeah, and I mentioned
Speaker 1: maybe we talked a little bit about more more about
Speaker 1: t Y Hilton, whether we should be worried we moved
Speaker 1: them down a little bit. It's a great question, man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got the I got the pull up on the
Speaker 1: Fantasy best Friends Forever talking about Doug Baldwin now that
Speaker 1: it really does seem like he's going to be ready
Speaker 1: for Week one by all indications he's running. Um, they
Speaker 1: seem much more optimistic about this now. To me, I
Speaker 1: was very excited about Doug Baldwin. I had him writing
Speaker 1: that range with Mike Evans, with t Y Hilton, and
Speaker 1: I've bumped him right all the way back up there.
Speaker 1: So are you comfortable drafting him on that too, return
Speaker 1: more comfortable in the later third round? Or maybe you're
Speaker 1: just avoiding Doug Balton. So we could check back in
Speaker 1: on that poll later on Greggy. Um, but I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna continue with the statu day on Chris Hogan, our
Speaker 1: guy who looked very good in the second preseason game,
Speaker 1: and I've just seen him go as high as the
Speaker 1: fourth round already in some Best Ball Leagues. Weeks one
Speaker 1: through eight last season, Chris Hogan was wide receiver eight
Speaker 1: overall in half PPR. It's sixty yards very touchdown in
Speaker 1: six of those eight games, so it was incredibly consistent.
Speaker 1: His first half numbers pro raded over sixteen games, sixty
Speaker 1: six receptions, eight hundred sixty seventy six yards, ten touchdowns.
Speaker 1: That's a hundred and eighty point six half PPR points.
Speaker 1: Would have made him the wide receiver fifteen overall last
Speaker 1: season if he played sixty games. There's a lot of like,
Speaker 1: there's lots of love out Chris Hogan, now number one,
Speaker 1: Can you play all sixteen games? I think there's a
Speaker 1: strong possibility can now. People have said in regards to
Speaker 1: Hogan that the touchdowns aren't necessarily sustainable, that the Patriots
Speaker 1: changed their offense per game, but I just felt like,
Speaker 1: and this is just total eye test, Frankie, that every
Speaker 1: time he was out there, he was a monstrous vocal
Speaker 1: points inside the red zone, and he was everything fantasy
Speaker 1: owners wanted to beat him to be when Julian Edeman
Speaker 1: went down last year. He's not just like PPR guy.
Speaker 1: He's an everything guy and whether grons out there where
Speaker 1: he's not. I think Chris Hogan's awesome and I have
Speaker 1: him ranked currently as my twenty three ranked receiver, and
Speaker 1: I feel like he probably should be higher. I just
Speaker 1: don't know how much higher. Did you take my rankings
Speaker 1: and just kind of like move them around and make
Speaker 1: your own rankings. I did not have him exactly wide receiver. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like we do this every day too. We
Speaker 1: had to disagree on somebody eventually. I'm sure you will.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of wide receivers that we have to go.
Speaker 1: But I feel the same way, like I want to
Speaker 1: move him up, but it's like where where do you
Speaker 1: move him up to? Right in front of ahead of him?
Speaker 1: I have Golden's Hate who year in year out, incredibly consistent,
Speaker 1: Juju Smith Schuster, who I think has big upside playing
Speaker 1: alongside Antonio Brown in that offense Tobody did just one
Speaker 1: year ago, and Martavis Bryant's now gone from that team.
Speaker 1: Josh Gordon Wide Receivers twenty maybe he shouldn't be in
Speaker 1: that range, but I think he's gonna be ready for
Speaker 1: week one by all indications, right, like we saw it
Speaker 1: in Hard Knocks last night, him returning to you should
Speaker 1: have watched you didn't watch? Can you watch every show
Speaker 1: the night of No, you don't watch Better Calsa. I
Speaker 1: watched Better cassall last night, and I'm not gonna it
Speaker 1: for you, sorry, but I mean you knew Josh couldn't
Speaker 1: return to camp anyway. All right, Well, I didn't know
Speaker 1: what they talked about. I didn't talk about it much. Actually,
Speaker 1: last night I watched last week's Hard Knocks because I
Speaker 1: had not watched last week's I was wondering. I know,
Speaker 1: I feel obviously as I always did. Um well, that
Speaker 1: was why people are saying blessing to me this morning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jervis Landry forgot about that too. You have a pretty
Speaker 1: sick rotal wear shirt two with the hands it says,
Speaker 1: bless him. That was two weeks ago. I did watch
Speaker 1: the Cory One. Stuff was interesting. I didn't like how
Speaker 1: they cut it. That bothered me. Now Corey Coleman was
Speaker 1: saying how it bothered him also, and they did full
Speaker 1: like show the full picture. Um so I didn't like
Speaker 1: that and I also didn't like how they cut the
Speaker 1: Antonio Antonio Callaway stuff because and this is us being
Speaker 1: in teaving production. Right. So you what you watched last
Speaker 1: week's episode, I want to spoil that for you. I
Speaker 1: watched all of them so far. Okay, So Frankie were
Speaker 1: a master of the white board. Frank's Whiteboards series is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Check it out on YouTube. Is a whiteboard series. It's amazing. Okay, Um,
Speaker 1: reminds me something else I have to tell you during
Speaker 1: the break, so we know the editing process. You do
Speaker 1: you specifically, So they showed you Atonio Callaways sitting at
Speaker 1: this table with John Dorsey and with Hugh Jackson, right
Speaker 1: and they're going over there having a discussion. It looks
Speaker 1: like it's like a five minute discussion. Right. But on
Speaker 1: the board, um to the left, on the wall next
Speaker 1: to John Dorsey, across from Hugh Jackson, was like four
Speaker 1: pillars of the four Brown's pillars. I guess like trust, responsibility,
Speaker 1: something and something. Okay, And early on when Callaway walks in,
Speaker 1: those four things are written on the board. The cut,
Speaker 1: the doorsy that cut, the Jackson that cut back, and
Speaker 1: then go back to the white shot almost immediately after that,
Speaker 1: we're talking literally in real time, like a minute right now.
Speaker 1: Two of those things are circled, there's arrows coming out
Speaker 1: of them with um with other words written on this board,
Speaker 1: and it was clear that this was a much longer conversation. Obviously,
Speaker 1: there was a much longer back and forth, which I'm
Speaker 1: sure the Brown did not want aired by any means,
Speaker 1: and they didn't narr it. I thought that was super interesting.
Speaker 1: That is interesting, and I finally just interesting that you've
Speaker 1: noticed that, because you know, once I leave from here
Speaker 1: for the day, I kind of just like shut down,
Speaker 1: like the really production mind. Like I try not to
Speaker 1: notice things like that. It happens more so when I
Speaker 1: watched like movies and stuff. It's funny because because I
Speaker 1: my my brain is always on with that kind of stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: And like Judy watches a Bachelor of Paradise right like
Speaker 1: I was. I was saying about that, and they're the
Speaker 1: worst because they obviously manipulated everything. And that's fine, I
Speaker 1: get that, but it kills me when they show a
Speaker 1: clip or the the show rather and they go to
Speaker 1: a confessional one of the contestants talking and the contestants
Speaker 1: wearing like a red bathing suit. They go back to
Speaker 1: the action, back to the confessional. Now she's wearing a dress. Fine,
Speaker 1: you know what it was different parts of the day.
Speaker 1: Back to her now she's wearing a green bathing suit,
Speaker 1: and like this is literally these interviews are literally happened
Speaker 1: over weeks. You don't know what the producers asked her
Speaker 1: in order to get those answers, and like this is
Speaker 1: all jumble together, Like what she's talking about now literally
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with what the scene you just saw.
Speaker 1: And I pointed out the judy and she's just like,
Speaker 1: do you understand how annoying you are? Do you understand
Speaker 1: that it's just ruined reality television? Friend? Exactly? And it
Speaker 1: bothered me, and um, she had a friend over to
Speaker 1: watch it on one day, and I kept my mouth
Speaker 1: shut because I don't want embarrass her by in a
Speaker 1: little bit, Greg allow yourself to be amazed. It's not real.
Speaker 1: It's just not real, obviously. So that was that was
Speaker 1: I don't know how I got the Jenio callaway, think
Speaker 1: all right, I'm done, alright, anything else now? That's my
Speaker 1: Hard Knocks thoughts? How do we get here again? You
Speaker 1: were watching Hard Knocks Josh Gordon, Josh Gordon. Josh Gordy
Speaker 1: moved up to wide receivers twenty so he's might were
Speaker 1: a little bitary. Remember wide receivers twenty one. Who do
Speaker 1: you where do you have? Speaking of hard knocks, where
Speaker 1: do you have Jarvis Landry? And half people are having
Speaker 1: eight team? So I have met twenty I have him
Speaker 1: and Josh Gordon back to back. Do you think that
Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry is getting the hard knocks boost? Because it
Speaker 1: does happen every year people. Um, you see the players
Speaker 1: you rives last year? Yah, Mike Evans, you rise them
Speaker 1: up draft boards because like you see how hard they're working.
Speaker 1: You like, you like them personally and you want them
Speaker 1: to succeed and you think they will. And the problem
Speaker 1: is at every one of these NFL facilities, these guys
Speaker 1: are working hard. There's giving other funny speeches like bless
Speaker 1: up right, like this is happening. I don't know it was,
Speaker 1: bless him whatever, bless up see you, I sneezed, Um,
Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry is I'm blessing you, Thank you. Jarvis Landry
Speaker 1: is one of many and as good as he's looked,
Speaker 1: and I think they will utilize him in a major way,
Speaker 1: like everybody loves Juice. I do you think he's getting
Speaker 1: the hard knocks brust. I think that it's fair to say.
Speaker 1: But the reason why I we'll say I've boosted him
Speaker 1: throughout the process of hard knocks is that what we've
Speaker 1: seen is that they're using him all over the field.
Speaker 1: He's not just being locked into a slot role receiver
Speaker 1: um role, honestly, and and just the way that they've
Speaker 1: used him to this point downfield, throws on the outside,
Speaker 1: on the inside, moving him all around the formation, it
Speaker 1: reminds me a lot of what the Steelers did with
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown. Now I have adjusted things accordingly once Josh
Speaker 1: Gordon returned, but I thought that, you know, if Johsh
Speaker 1: Gordon wasn't there, Jarvis Landry really could have been the
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown of the Brown's offense this year, because we
Speaker 1: know what Todd Haley did with Antonio Brown. And obviously
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown is a freak athlete. But I think we're seeing,
Speaker 1: even through the hard knocks process, like we're being reminded
Speaker 1: of the kind of athlete that Jarvis Landry is. Like
Speaker 1: he's not just a slot right wide receiver like one
Speaker 1: of these guys that you just pencil in, like he
Speaker 1: can make contested catches, he is one of the best
Speaker 1: route runners, he has amazing hands, and we saw him
Speaker 1: do work in the red zone last year. So for
Speaker 1: all of those reasons, I moved him ahead of Josh Gordon.
Speaker 1: I think he could be a little bit more consistent.
Speaker 1: What I had thought was if Josh Gordon was part
Speaker 1: of the whole training camp process, I thought that Tyrod
Speaker 1: Taylor or to Rod Taylor would have fallen more so
Speaker 1: in love with Josh Gordon as d down the field threat.
Speaker 1: But now that he is three weeks behind, I think
Speaker 1: Jervis Landry probably gets off to the better start and
Speaker 1: maybe he's more consistent this year. But I will not
Speaker 1: argue I moved Josh Gordon up to twenty because I
Speaker 1: still think he does have that incredible offside. It's amazing
Speaker 1: because every time you count Josh Gordon out, he comes
Speaker 1: back and I'm his lowest on him of anybody last year,
Speaker 1: right like I hated Josh Gordon because I thought this
Speaker 1: is all mirage and it didn't happen. He comes back
Speaker 1: and he was outstanding or for eight five. I think
Speaker 1: it was against Casey Hayward he was outstanding and he's
Speaker 1: Hayward said, oh they don't have a union. Is the
Speaker 1: toughest wide wide receiver we have faced all year long.
Speaker 1: He is that good, and I think every time he
Speaker 1: has one of these things going on, a suspension, him
Speaker 1: walking away, whatever it may be, he will almost forget
Speaker 1: just how good Josh Gordon is in my auction. And
Speaker 1: I know I keep going back to that because I
Speaker 1: think it's important. Josh Gordon went for seventeen dollars. Now
Speaker 1: I had him as a twenty dollar player UM as
Speaker 1: my twenty first rank wide receiver. For comparison, saying sake,
Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry went for twenty three. I thought there'd be
Speaker 1: more of a happy medium there, UM, and I thought
Speaker 1: Gordon at seventeen was an awesome buy because, as we
Speaker 1: said a couple of weeks ago, as we were looking
Speaker 1: for that next top wide receiver they can jump in
Speaker 1: the first round. Josh Gordon has that ability, and I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be the name if your draft. And
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of names above him, A Maori Cooper,
Speaker 1: Allen Robinson, Um, Golden Tate, and Marvin Jones really come
Speaker 1: to mind, because those are four four righte receivers that
Speaker 1: I think you're going to be there for you at
Speaker 1: like say the end of the third round, early in
Speaker 1: the fourth, when you're looking at if you're drafting at
Speaker 1: the turn um as your wide receiver too. Essentially to me,
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna have, I have Josh Gordon below all
Speaker 1: of these guys, right, I have Cooper at sixteen, Robinson
Speaker 1: at seventeen, tated eighteen, and Jones at nineteen. Josh Gordon's
Speaker 1: one of those guys, the number one out of all
Speaker 1: those guys that have the ability to finish in the
Speaker 1: top twelve. Like I don't know that maybe Cooper, I
Speaker 1: know that any of them have that ability to finish
Speaker 1: a true top twelve, if not top ten, if not
Speaker 1: top eight wide receiver. Josh Gordon does. And I very
Speaker 1: well know when I'm at that turn I am gonna
Speaker 1: going to be damn tempted in the third, fourth round
Speaker 1: to take Josh Gordon over all of them, Which is
Speaker 1: crazy to say, because Marvin Jones just finishes the wide
Speaker 1: receiver nine overall last year. The thing is we we
Speaker 1: can't project him to do that again, and based on
Speaker 1: where he's being drafted, as you know, a low end
Speaker 1: wide receiver too high end wide receiver three like Marvin
Speaker 1: Jones is going in like that that cut off of
Speaker 1: the top twenty four wide receivers. So even if he
Speaker 1: sees regression this year, like maybe he won't be over
Speaker 1: a thousand, and maybe he won't, you know, flirt with
Speaker 1: double digit touchdowns, but if he's nine seven, he's still
Speaker 1: gonna be a top twenty four wide receiver. So that's
Speaker 1: being baked into his price. Uh So, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it is crazy to say that Josh Gordon is the
Speaker 1: only one who had that has that upside when we've
Speaker 1: seen Marvin Jones do it. Um. But as you know,
Speaker 1: I think that the lines are more of a balance
Speaker 1: attack this year, but Josh Gorton absolutely does have that
Speaker 1: upside to do it. The way that I feel about
Speaker 1: Josh Gordon right now is I don't want him as
Speaker 1: my wide receiver too. To be honest, I have to
Speaker 1: have two wide receivers on my team before I take
Speaker 1: Josh Gordon. I think it's easier to take that risk,
Speaker 1: take that chance with him as your wide receiver when
Speaker 1: you have that stability of two wide receivers already on
Speaker 1: your team. Because if anything happens throughout the year. Obviously,
Speaker 1: any player can get injured, but especially with him, he
Speaker 1: has that you know, maybe he uh needs to just
Speaker 1: go on a mental break again and needs to you know,
Speaker 1: cleanse himself like whatever it might be. You have that
Speaker 1: risk much more with Josh Gordon than obviously any other players.
Speaker 1: So I need to have him as my wide receiver
Speaker 1: three on my team more so than my wide receiver
Speaker 1: to I just can't trust that. So then let me
Speaker 1: ask this. You're and he is going as I said,
Speaker 1: and the third early fourth, now that I got him
Speaker 1: in the fifth round of the Best Ball Draft, when
Speaker 1: that was the day before that he returned, I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna move up though he's going. Absolutely, he's gonna
Speaker 1: move back into the fourth round. I don't see him
Speaker 1: getting all the way back to the three fourth turn.
Speaker 1: I think he's closer to the four or five turn. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think you've seen back at practice.
Speaker 1: I think he continues to rise. Who were other some
Speaker 1: other players that went in your auction around his dollar price,
Speaker 1: like seventeen bucks. The interesting thing is nobody really went
Speaker 1: around that wide receiver wise, the one around that price
Speaker 1: he went at seventeen even low twenty. Marvin, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: exactly as you get to Marvin Jones is nineteen. That
Speaker 1: was obviously very close like he's he's on that four
Speaker 1: or five swing too. Jarvis Landry went for twenty three,
Speaker 1: Golden Tate twenty three, Allen Robinson twenty four. Those are
Speaker 1: all to me consistent fourth round wide receivers, okay, and
Speaker 1: then Marvin Jones, Josh Gordon, I think that's where you
Speaker 1: come in, and that's more so like the fourth fifth
Speaker 1: round swing. Same thing with Chris Hogan. I put him
Speaker 1: in that category as well. Chris Hogan went for significantly more.
Speaker 1: Chris Hogan went for twenty six. That's the preseason hyper there. Yea,
Speaker 1: Chris Hogan went for significantly more. He Basically, as I
Speaker 1: look at these prices, it's clear that there's another tier
Speaker 1: of guys that I guess are the third round guys.
Speaker 1: I've I've really drew them together because I don't see
Speaker 1: much of a difference between these third and fourth round guys.
Speaker 1: Like in my draft. I'll pick this tier like I
Speaker 1: draft as everybody knows. Eleventh, right, So that's why I
Speaker 1: keep talking about this turn because that's where I am
Speaker 1: I draft eleventh, and in that third fourth round, if
Speaker 1: I grab a wide receiver and I grab a running back,
Speaker 1: none of which whom I like. Of course I might
Speaker 1: not draft the Mark Hoover. I may choose Josh Gordon
Speaker 1: over him if he's back at practice by the time
Speaker 1: I draft. You know, I think this whole group he's
Speaker 1: together because I'm not gonna have a chance any of
Speaker 1: them later on. Obviously, that's what we always say. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter a DP because every guy I just mentioned
Speaker 1: it won't be there in the fifth round at my pick.
Speaker 1: That it's just not gonna happen. So that's why I
Speaker 1: have grouped like this. But after the break, we mentioned
Speaker 1: Gordon and Landry and Jones and Tate and Robinson, and
Speaker 1: we'll get more into those guys that are going in
Speaker 1: this spot. But there's a whole nother tier, clearly, which
Speaker 1: is the third round up what third round wide receivers?
Speaker 1: You had mentioned t Y Hilton, But I think we
Speaker 1: have to break down Diggs versus theling. I think we
Speaker 1: have to break down where Larry Fitzgerald goes in this,
Speaker 1: where Tyree Hill goes in this, and then where Doug
Speaker 1: Baldwin who you mentioned Mary Cooper go to. This is
Speaker 1: a tier based on the prices that I have. Where
Speaker 1: do they go? Who do you want more? We'll talk
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Speaker 1: I just did something crazy to in my rankings. I
Speaker 1: might just be sipping the kool aid too much. It
Speaker 1: might have been the stats of the day. I moved
Speaker 1: Chris Hogan up to wide receiver seventeen. Big jump what
Speaker 1: I just told I told you during the break. Chris
Speaker 1: Hogan is one of these guys that can easily move
Speaker 1: into the top twelve wide receivers. He can finish as
Speaker 1: a wide receiver one this year and I'm I'm not
Speaker 1: saying top five years this crazy upside, But is it
Speaker 1: crazy to imagine that he can give you seventy to
Speaker 1: seventy five receptions, a thousand yards and ten touchdowns That
Speaker 1: would make him a top twelve wide receiver. Think of
Speaker 1: all the targets that are now gone with the Patriots.
Speaker 1: A hundred and fourteen targets gone from Brandon Cooks. He
Speaker 1: led the team in targets a year ago eighties six targets,
Speaker 1: one from Danny Amundel, who was third on the team
Speaker 1: in targets one year ago Dian Lewis thirty six targets.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think there's a there's a plenty
Speaker 1: of opportunity here. I think it's really just gonna be
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the Chris Hogan Show. And and Rob Gronkowski.
Speaker 1: I think those are gonna be the guys, and then
Speaker 1: James White is gonna have his normal role. He still
Speaker 1: had seventy two targets last year, so seventy the eighty
Speaker 1: targets for James White certainly doable. Someone asked in the
Speaker 1: chat to rank Hogan, Landry, Marvin Jones, and another player,
Speaker 1: and it's just I feel the safest at this point
Speaker 1: drafting Chris Hogan, which maybe I'm crazy, maybe I'm buying
Speaker 1: buying too much into the preseason, but I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be the number one wide receiver for Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting as I look at the wide
Speaker 1: receiver death chart in New England, like, you know, Gronk
Speaker 1: is there, and you know Edwin's coming back after four games,
Speaker 1: but listen to the rest of the depth chart. I
Speaker 1: don't know what people realize what this looks like. Behind
Speaker 1: Chris Hogan on one of the wide receiver positions, who
Speaker 1: Darryl Patterson, Kenny Britt, Eric Decker the only other wide
Speaker 1: receivers on his team other than Edelman, Phil door Set,
Speaker 1: somebody named Paul Turner and Braxton Barrios or people liked
Speaker 1: at one point to the offseason Kenny Britt I mentioned
Speaker 1: him thanking, but like, these are the names we're talking
Speaker 1: about now. I'm not saying we're gonna we won't have
Speaker 1: out of nowhere a Brandon Lloyd like season with Kenny
Speaker 1: Britt like that would not surprise me in the least,
Speaker 1: to be perfectly honest with you, Kris Hogan is the guy.
Speaker 1: He is the guy, And when Gronk is moving slowly
Speaker 1: and when Gronk is getting triple teamed, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot of Chris Hogan. I get it, Frank, I
Speaker 1: get it. I know Julian Edelman is gonna be back
Speaker 1: in Week five for this team, but he's older now,
Speaker 1: man Like he's he's beyond thirty years old. He's is
Speaker 1: gonna be the same slot receiver that he was. Yes,
Speaker 1: he'll still get his targets absolutely in this offense, but
Speaker 1: I just think it's gonna be it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot of home and a lot of Gronk. I think
Speaker 1: the one even if Edelman gets him down into the
Speaker 1: red zone like in this first eight game span, I mean,
Speaker 1: Ogan was pretty much a walk for at least sixty yards,
Speaker 1: and in a lot of those games, it was six
Speaker 1: yards and a touchdown. You get that every single week.
Speaker 1: That kind of consistency it's hard to pass up on.
Speaker 1: So is it fair to say that you feel very
Speaker 1: comfortable as you must because you're moved up to number
Speaker 1: seventeen with Chris Hogan as your widers? You were too,
Speaker 1: you like it ideally? Well, you can't. You can't say
Speaker 1: ideal because that's right in the middle of your the
Speaker 1: wide receiver two is here. Yeah, I would, I would
Speaker 1: take him as my wide receiver two. But I don't
Speaker 1: think you have to draft him there. Like, just because
Speaker 1: you move them up in the rankings doesn't mean you
Speaker 1: have to draft. Well, it depends where your draft. Like,
Speaker 1: let's meet when he use me as an example, I'm
Speaker 1: at the end of my I'm at the end of
Speaker 1: the draft. I want him. I have to draft him
Speaker 1: in round four and I could draft now, I could
Speaker 1: draft early a fourth round. I could draft a wide
Speaker 1: receiver in round three and not have a second running
Speaker 1: back until round five. Fine, all good, But if I wanted,
Speaker 1: I have to draft early in the fourth round. He's
Speaker 1: going to go somewhere in that fourth round. He's not
Speaker 1: coming back to in late fifth. Correct, you have this,
Speaker 1: what seventh pick in your the eighth pick, you have
Speaker 1: the eighth pick, you're gonna act that you have in
Speaker 1: the fourth round. You're not getting him in the fifth round,
Speaker 1: especially in a keeper league to where everyone has kept
Speaker 1: two players already, so players get pushed up the board.
Speaker 1: That's a little different. Super flection rights out a little
Speaker 1: bit different. If I want, well, you just talking at
Speaker 1: a normal snake. If you're in a standard snake and
Speaker 1: you're in the eighth pick, you have to take him
Speaker 1: in the fourth round. You're not getting him later. So
Speaker 1: you have to So you have to say if you're
Speaker 1: starting I'm not saying you have to do this. If
Speaker 1: you're starting running back, wide receiver, running back, wide receiver
Speaker 1: in some order two and two after your first four,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get him a wide receiver two. And you
Speaker 1: have to be comfortable with that. And you and for you,
Speaker 1: it certainly seems like that's where he's rand. He's ranked.
Speaker 1: Is that wide receiver too? Yeah? And what I've told
Speaker 1: people to this point um on our show throughout the
Speaker 1: Whiteboard series is I like that back into the draft
Speaker 1: where you can start with a workhorse running back and
Speaker 1: an elite wide receiver. So if you have one of
Speaker 1: these keen Alan Michael Thomas, Um Davantae Adams, one of
Speaker 1: those type, I feel even better about it because you
Speaker 1: already have that stability at the possesis if you although
Speaker 1: the Keenan Allen Davante Adams has their own injury issues,
Speaker 1: just saying, but if you're the listening, if you're the
Speaker 1: back end, and there's a chance you have Odell or
Speaker 1: Julio Michael Thomas, a little bit different. Yes, But if
Speaker 1: you wait until the third round to get your wide receiver,
Speaker 1: obviously you're gonna feel a little bit more shaky about that.
Speaker 1: Like if you start your receiver corps Mary Cooper, Chris Hogan,
Speaker 1: like you don't feel great about that? No, of course not.
Speaker 1: But you mentioned Mark Cooper. I want to get to
Speaker 1: him in a second number eleven and twelve on the
Speaker 1: Minnesota wide receivers, Adam Feeling it, Stefon Diggs. I have
Speaker 1: them back to back. In the auction, Savon Diggs went
Speaker 1: for four more dollars than Adam Feeling. Did I get it? Diggs?
Speaker 1: The sex of your name? Uh, he's theoretically more exciting.
Speaker 1: Feelings the workhorse, the guy that played mostly the slot
Speaker 1: last year and denominated in that role. I've seen nothing
Speaker 1: to think that Feeland won't want won't once again be
Speaker 1: in that slot. Uh. Diggs has had some injury issues.
Speaker 1: That's why I rank Feeling over Diggs. Both these guys
Speaker 1: round out my wide receiver one tier. UM. If I'm
Speaker 1: drafting them as a wide receiver one, obviously come back
Speaker 1: around later the drafting of a wide receiver one. You're
Speaker 1: probably drafting UM towards the top of the draft, and
Speaker 1: you i'd say you're one through four picks. I would
Speaker 1: probably go back to back wide receivers here, a pair
Speaker 1: of a Feeling the Diggs with a guy like Lardie Fitzgerald,
Speaker 1: the Tyree Hill or I probably ideally Doug Baldwin. UM.
Speaker 1: But that's where they're going, and that's where I'm comfortable with.
Speaker 1: They're basically on the borderline of one and two, and
Speaker 1: I want two of those guys. I agree with that
Speaker 1: if you have one of those first four picks, I'm
Speaker 1: probably gonna come back around and take two of these
Speaker 1: wide receivers. I have staff stefon Diggs and the half
Speaker 1: PPR ranked one spot higher than Feeling in standard, I
Speaker 1: would take Diggs as well. In a full point PPR look,
Speaker 1: I think I think Feeling has more receptions this year.
Speaker 1: I think the yards are gonna be close, but I
Speaker 1: think the touchdowns actually favored Diggs um. But it's close, man,
Speaker 1: It really is a coin flip because you don't know
Speaker 1: who Kirk Cousins is going to target more this team,
Speaker 1: Like based on what we've seen in the preseason, Stefon
Speaker 1: Diggs in that first game he had to catch on
Speaker 1: the sideline, he called a touchdown from Kirk Cousins. But
Speaker 1: we really won't know until once the season starts. So
Speaker 1: I think they're both super super talented. I think Stefon
Speaker 1: Diggs a little bit more talented. We saw that in
Speaker 1: the first month of the season. After the first four weeks,
Speaker 1: he was the wide receiver one overall in Fantasy football. Um,
Speaker 1: so can you see and can you see a guy
Speaker 1: like Adam Filan dropping in draft for no reason only
Speaker 1: because he's not going to go to exciting because he's,
Speaker 1: like I said, he has that workman like resume, Like
Speaker 1: guy like Tyreek Hill. I can see people going over
Speaker 1: him because of what we saw in the preseason and
Speaker 1: his ability. I can see a guy uh generally Doug
Speaker 1: Baldwin going over him. I could see Larry Fitzgerald going
Speaker 1: over him. I've moved Baldwin ahead of both. You have, Okay,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, feeling could drop and like I
Speaker 1: believe he dropped. I think he dropped the next and
Speaker 1: I almost got him in the fourth round and I
Speaker 1: was picking from the spot things and I thought that
Speaker 1: was I remember I had six pick in that and
Speaker 1: I saw feeling coming back to me and like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, like what is going what was missing? He again,
Speaker 1: Dane sare the same thing. He picked me between us,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't understand why he was dropping. Now it
Speaker 1: was like non it was a non PPR league, which
Speaker 1: is part of that. But if feelings dropping, there's just
Speaker 1: no reason why for it. Yes, which which wide receiver
Speaker 1: is Kirk Cousins gonna throw to? It's fair but from
Speaker 1: all indications, theory mains in the slot. Feeling has that
Speaker 1: Jamison Crowder role. If you will, you know it's going
Speaker 1: to be a totally different offense with d Felippo there,
Speaker 1: but Phil is dropping. I'm grabbing, yeah, absolutely, And you
Speaker 1: know the default thing to say, which is what we
Speaker 1: have been saying, is Digson standard feeling in PPR what feeling?
Speaker 1: Touchdowns are undoubtedly gonna come up this year. He actually
Speaker 1: led this team in red zone targets. A year ago
Speaker 1: he had seventeen. He only caught five of his seventeen
Speaker 1: targets in the red zone. That's a twenty nine percent
Speaker 1: catch rate. So that is going to go up, no
Speaker 1: doubt about it. Um. I think that's touchdowns come up
Speaker 1: a little bit. He's probably in that you know, six, seven,
Speaker 1: eight touchdown range. The thing is, I think Stefon Digs
Speaker 1: can be even better than that. I think maybe he
Speaker 1: flirts with double digit touchdowns. Um. So for those reasons,
Speaker 1: I just think overall, Stefan Dix has a little bit
Speaker 1: more upside, but it is very close between those. I
Speaker 1: have Stefon Diggs ranked once about higher, but I have,
Speaker 1: like I mentioned, moved Doug Baldwin ahead of both. You
Speaker 1: move Baldwin ahead given that you believe we are clear
Speaker 1: of the injuries. That why all indications, everything that we've heard,
Speaker 1: everything that we've seen. He's running now. They keeps saying
Speaker 1: he's gonna be ready for Week one, And I know
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll is the ultimate optimist. He's even talking about
Speaker 1: Rashad Penny gonna be ready for Week one, but by
Speaker 1: all indications, Doug Baldwin is gonna be ready. Um And
Speaker 1: because of that, I've moved him back up. Before the injury,
Speaker 1: I was super, super bullish on Doug Baldwin because look,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of targets now gone from this team
Speaker 1: from a year ago, eighty targets from Paul Richards and
Speaker 1: nine eight targets from Jimmy Graham. Doug Baldwin is clearly
Speaker 1: in a position to have a career high and targets
Speaker 1: this year, probably a career high in receptions, receiving yards,
Speaker 1: not touchdowns because he had that monster year with like
Speaker 1: fourteen thirteen touchdowns whatever it was. But I think we
Speaker 1: see over a hundred and forty targets this year from
Speaker 1: Doug Baldwin. And if that's the case, like he's consistently
Speaker 1: been a top twelve wide receiver, he could even move
Speaker 1: up this year in terms of his production. A hundred
Speaker 1: and forty targets, you know, we'll get probably ninety receptions.
Speaker 1: I could see twelve hundred receiving yards and flirt with
Speaker 1: double dago touchdowns. The Seahawks team is not good. Their
Speaker 1: defense is very bad now and outside of Doug Baldwin,
Speaker 1: who do they have, Tyler Lockett, Brandon Marshall. He's just
Speaker 1: going to be a target beast. So I moved him up.
Speaker 1: I think if he goes in that two three turn,
Speaker 1: I have absolutely no problem with it. I think t
Speaker 1: Y Hilton versus Doug Baldwin is actually more of a
Speaker 1: conversation that we should be having now, So let's have it.
Speaker 1: So so let's have it. Hilton has his own injury.
Speaker 1: We'll see when he's back at practice. We talked a
Speaker 1: lot about Andrew Luck yesterday, um and his ability to
Speaker 1: throw the ball down field. If Baldwin's healthy, he probably
Speaker 1: goes right back where Hilton with Hilton at that too
Speaker 1: three turn, that that was where they were going. And
Speaker 1: I'm cool with that. I'm completely cool with that. Baldwin
Speaker 1: is I mentioned workman like with theeland, That's what he is.
Speaker 1: With Russell Wilson. You look up and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: he's got four for a hundred and and or maybe
Speaker 1: seventy for a hundred uh and a little bit more.
Speaker 1: He's the unquestioned number one wide receiver in this offense,
Speaker 1: and it's all about health of him. If he's healthy,
Speaker 1: he's He's a guy that like compared to Theelan and Digs,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I haven't moved Baldwin up, but
Speaker 1: compared to these guys, I'm much more comfortable. If I'm
Speaker 1: drafting at the end of the second early third, I
Speaker 1: stug Baldwin being my back end wide receiver one that
Speaker 1: it would be Adam Feeland or Stefondex. That's the truth.
Speaker 1: And if I just put it in those layman terms,
Speaker 1: like who do Who am I more comfortable with? Is Baldwin? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna I think we're gonna move Baldwin
Speaker 1: ahead of t Y Hilton because while while both I
Speaker 1: think both have injury risk. Now we haven't seen t
Speaker 1: Y Hilt. We didn't see him in the second preseason game.
Speaker 1: And it's not just his injury risk, it's Andrew injury
Speaker 1: risk as well. Russell Wilson has been an incredibly durable
Speaker 1: player in his career. We know the report he has
Speaker 1: with Doug Baldwin. Just think about this. Baldwin has never
Speaker 1: had more than a hundred and twenty five targets in
Speaker 1: a season, yet he's consistently been a top twelve wide receiver.
Speaker 1: You tell me he gets a hundred and forty two
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty targets this year. Again, two years
Speaker 1: ago he caught ninety four of a hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: five targets. If he gets a hundred and forty to
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty targets this year, you have to
Speaker 1: imagine maybe he gets double teamed a little bit more
Speaker 1: because they don't have a ton of weapons on that team.
Speaker 1: Even if he catches nine balls this year, for again,
Speaker 1: I think he could be twelve hundred and we know
Speaker 1: that what the touchdown upside could be. He had fourteen
Speaker 1: three years ago. There's no Jimmy Graham on this team anymore.
Speaker 1: He could be twelve hundred yards, ten touchdowns, and that's
Speaker 1: gonna be better than t hy Hilton. It's not a
Speaker 1: knock on t Why Hilton, but Hilton just doesn't score
Speaker 1: the touchdowns. He's never had more than seven in a season,
Speaker 1: So see why Hilton. Yes, receptions yards, he can catch
Speaker 1: the deep ball, but never has caught a ton of touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Um by all indication is what we get heading into
Speaker 1: this weekend. As long as the news is still positive
Speaker 1: for Dog Baldwin. I have no problem taking him ahead
Speaker 1: of t Y Hilton. Now, yeah, I get it, I'm
Speaker 1: I get it. I'm cool with that too. I I
Speaker 1: think that's fine. I think it's kind of a preference
Speaker 1: thing in a way. UM, I understand that though, I
Speaker 1: I do. I do understand it. Um consistency, And I
Speaker 1: think we're such a many games. I know Andrew Luck
Speaker 1: wasn't there last year. Were such a many games where
Speaker 1: at home Ty was amazing, and on the road it's
Speaker 1: kind of a disaster. But Well doesn't have those. And
Speaker 1: if you're just I'm nitpicking when thousand percent, but if
Speaker 1: you have to nitpick, you have a nitpick when you're
Speaker 1: just signing one or the other, that could be one
Speaker 1: of reasonally in towards Baldwin. Yeah. And of course the
Speaker 1: poll that I put out too was regarding where should
Speaker 1: Dog Baldwin be drafted? Now he seems like he's ready
Speaker 1: for a week one forty four percent still say late third,
Speaker 1: early fourth. But the second and it's very closet, say
Speaker 1: late second, early third. And I think you know, based
Speaker 1: on the draft we see happened this week this weekend,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be in four drafts this weekend. We
Speaker 1: have the T S T Draft. Excited for that one.
Speaker 1: You have Craig Carton's draft on Sunday. Be more prepared
Speaker 1: than I was, um than I was reflects Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean because we have we've had a few more weeks,
Speaker 1: things have unraveled a little bit more. And then I
Speaker 1: have two homely drafts. So we're gonna have a lot
Speaker 1: of information for those drafting over the Labor Day weekend
Speaker 1: next weekend that will be able to give you this Monday.
Speaker 1: Seeing just where Doug Baldwin goes, and I think he's
Speaker 1: that two three range. Now one more wide receiver that
Speaker 1: is specifically in this tumor wide receivers, say that I
Speaker 1: believe in this crew, and that's Larry Fitzgerald and Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 1: Where do you have them comparatively to the other four
Speaker 1: guys Hilton, dig Stealing um In Baldwin, so they're all
Speaker 1: in the same tier. I think these are around three
Speaker 1: receivers Ish Evans, Hilton, Baldwin more so the two return
Speaker 1: But I have Tyreek Hill fifteen and Liarry Fitzgerald sixteen.
Speaker 1: And this is probably a bit of an age bias
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald has been incredibly consistent, especially in PPR half PPR
Speaker 1: in the past couple of seasons. But new quarterback coming
Speaker 1: in with Sam bradfense, a new offense coming in as well, Um,
Speaker 1: you have to worry about the injury prone nature of
Speaker 1: Sam Bradford. And then if Josh Rosen gets in there,
Speaker 1: does he lean more on a Larry Fitzgerald, does he
Speaker 1: lean more on his tight end? Does he throw the
Speaker 1: ball more checked down to David Johnson? Does he have
Speaker 1: a report with Christian Kirk. We saw him throw a
Speaker 1: touchdown to him in the second preseason game. So I
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of question marks regarding Larry Fitzgerald.
Speaker 1: But it's in versus Tyry Kill is just really bloom
Speaker 1: upside versus at boring, aging veteran consistency out of Larry Fitzgerald.
Speaker 1: And I'll take the guy who's on the upswing in
Speaker 1: his career entire Kill, But it is very close. It's
Speaker 1: funny because you were mentioning Larry Fitzgerald and the brand
Speaker 1: new offense and I was like, wow, Digs feeling Hilton Baldwin.
Speaker 1: All new offenses, every single one of them, and we
Speaker 1: stressed so much last year that we're gonna recognize it now.
Speaker 1: We're not going to ignore the signs. We're ignoring the
Speaker 1: signs with any of these guys drafting them where they
Speaker 1: are because I know how talented. I get it, how
Speaker 1: talented these players are. But they're all new offenses. Something
Speaker 1: is going to where somebody is going to emerge, or
Speaker 1: something's going to happen, or we're like, WHOA, we should
Speaker 1: have seen this coming and I don't want that to happen.
Speaker 1: Maybe Larry Fitzgerald's that person. Maybe you're right, you know,
Speaker 1: in this brand new offense, Christian Kirk with the new quarterback,
Speaker 1: maybe he steps up, Maybe Bright Butler steps up. Maybe
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald. It's not the same Larry Fitzgerald. Someone's gonna
Speaker 1: happen with all these guys. And for that reason, in particular,
Speaker 1: I have Hill one spot ahead of Larry Fitzgerald. And
Speaker 1: then I'm slightly more concerned about Diggs feeling Hilton and
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Speaker 1: Sports Radio Network, Frankie Stanfeld, Greg Susman with you were
Speaker 1: writing down these second tier, like third round wide receivers
Speaker 1: after your top twelve twelve twenty four. Essentially we're really
Speaker 1: Tennis twenty four as we include Hilton and Feeling and Digs,
Speaker 1: Doug Baldwin and more. We were up to Fitzgerald and
Speaker 1: Hill and we have to cut you off their Frank
Speaker 1: because of the break, you had chosen Hill one spot
Speaker 1: over Fitzgerald. I agreed. I look back at the offense
Speaker 1: where Tyreek Hill he's been at before, nothing has changed,
Speaker 1: and I like the upside, not it's not an agism thing.
Speaker 1: I think the upside is greater. Yeah, it absolutely is.
Speaker 1: He finished the wide receiver eight last year Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 1: That is on only a hundred and five targets. Even
Speaker 1: we don't really know how the target distribution is going
Speaker 1: to break down. That's what worries me a little bit
Speaker 1: about the Chiefs this year, Like I don't I can't
Speaker 1: imagine paying the third round price tag for Travis Kelsey
Speaker 1: this year. It's not a knock on him, it's just
Speaker 1: I don't know where the targets are gonna go. It's
Speaker 1: kind of similar to the Minnesota Vikings with their quarterback situation.
Speaker 1: Who is Patrick Mahomes going to favor most? What we've
Speaker 1: seen in the preseason is that he does like Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 1: We all saw that bomb touchdown over the weekend, But
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, he can honestly do it all. He was
Speaker 1: eight in the air yards last year, eighth in yards
Speaker 1: after the catch um. His last thirteen touchdowns have come
Speaker 1: from thirty yards out. That's insane. It just reminds you
Speaker 1: you'd score from anywhere on the field. He's incredibly and efficient.
Speaker 1: Uh still does have some boom or bus Like I
Speaker 1: don't feel great with him as my wide receiver one
Speaker 1: honestly right, But he's but he's borderline. He's not one
Speaker 1: of these guys that's borderlines borderline that you'll probably pair
Speaker 1: with where depending on when you take him with another
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Most likely absolutely Again, it comes down to
Speaker 1: if I can pair him with one of those guys
Speaker 1: in the second round, or if I use a first
Speaker 1: round right pick on a wide receiver. If you end
Speaker 1: up with like Tyree Kill Chris Hogan as your wide
Speaker 1: receiver one and two, just don't feel great about like
Speaker 1: you need a little bit more of a safe floor there.
Speaker 1: You need that kind of elite weekend and week out production.
Speaker 1: And Tyreek Hill can he could win you weeks. He
Speaker 1: also was very boom er busty last year. Now, the
Speaker 1: way that that happens that those two guys wind up
Speaker 1: as your wide receivers one and two is if you
Speaker 1: start your team off running back, running back, running well,
Speaker 1: thank you, Frank, I'm hoping you. If you started out
Speaker 1: running back and running back, let's say you can go
Speaker 1: and this is possible. Let's say you go Sae Kwon Barkley,
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey. Possible Cream Hunt, Christian McCaffrey. Whatever doesn't matter
Speaker 1: is that those running back is good enough that you
Speaker 1: would you feel comfortable with Tyreek Hill as your wide
Speaker 1: receiver one any time where I'm in the middle to
Speaker 1: late first round, and if i grab a workhorse running
Speaker 1: back in round one of the only reason I'm doing
Speaker 1: that and I'm passing on DeAndre Hopkins or Odell Beckham
Speaker 1: is because I know that I can get the elite
Speaker 1: wide receiver in round two. I outside of a standard league,
Speaker 1: a non PPR league, I cannot. I won't start my
Speaker 1: draft running back running back because I just don't feel
Speaker 1: I guess the word is safe. I don't feel safe
Speaker 1: enough with these guys going around three, four five at
Speaker 1: the wide receiver position for them to ultimately anchor my
Speaker 1: wide receiver corps. If that makes sense. Yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: I get it. And you talk about anchoring that wide
Speaker 1: receiver corps. Mari Cooper was many people's anchors last year.
Speaker 1: I started my team out with the zero running back
Speaker 1: theory last year, going to Michael Thomas and m Mary
Speaker 1: Cooper from the eleven spot, I think, and it was
Speaker 1: a disaster, like as a straight up disaster, as Mark
Speaker 1: Cooper was terrible. People are jumping back in. We've talked
Speaker 1: a lot about Amari Cooper over the past several weeks.
Speaker 1: Where is he settled in for you, Frank, He has
Speaker 1: settled in as my wide receiver of four teams, so
Speaker 1: he's right behind the Vikings guys, right ahead of Tyreek
Speaker 1: Hill Larry Fitzgerald. I think he offers I think he
Speaker 1: offers a which is crazy to say because it's a
Speaker 1: MARII Cooper. I think he offers the best combination around
Speaker 1: this range of safe floor and high upside, which you
Speaker 1: just made the face and it's it's crazy to imagine.
Speaker 1: But he is going to be the team's wide receiver.
Speaker 1: One by all means, I'm not worried about Jordy Nelson.
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about Martavis Bryant. Everything we've heard from
Speaker 1: John Druden is that he's going to be the focal
Speaker 1: point of this team's passing attack, and I do, oncent
Speaker 1: believe it. Look if he could just get back to
Speaker 1: the one and thirty plus targets he had in each
Speaker 1: one of his first two seasons, he was over a
Speaker 1: thousand yards. As a rookie, he was over eleven hundred
Speaker 1: yards in his second year. He only had five and
Speaker 1: six touchdowns in those years based on getting that many targets,
Speaker 1: which I think he could be in that one thirty
Speaker 1: to forty range, maybe even more than that this year.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be in line for eleven d
Speaker 1: yards and the touchdowns are going to go up if
Speaker 1: he is the focal point of this passing attack, like
Speaker 1: John Druden says, he's going to be. Even if it's
Speaker 1: seven eight touchdowns, Maybe he doesn't have immense upside. And
Speaker 1: I keep saying that about Mary Cooper. I don't know
Speaker 1: that he's going to finish as a top five wide receiver,
Speaker 1: but I think eleven dred yards and seven eight touchdowns
Speaker 1: is certainly doable for a Mariy Cooper if he gets
Speaker 1: back to that one hundred and thirty target range, which
Speaker 1: he was his first two seasons. Gregory Castillo inside O
Speaker 1: YouTube chat brings up a good point. We sure that
Speaker 1: Derek Carr is good. I don't I think he's good.
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's a fair word to you.
Speaker 1: So I don't think he's I don't think he's amazing.
Speaker 1: Is good? Better than average? Good feels like average to
Speaker 1: I think Derek car is like an average quarterback. So
Speaker 1: he's good. That's how I feel about. So he's good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like he'll he's never thrown for four thousand yards, but
Speaker 1: you don't need him to do that with based on
Speaker 1: the weapons that we have here, Like I don't think
Speaker 1: Jordy Nelson is going to demand a ton of targets,
Speaker 1: right maybe inside the red zone. Yeah, he'll catch a
Speaker 1: few touchdowns, Martavis Bryan, he'll get a future shots down
Speaker 1: the field per game um and Jared Cook, Like, we
Speaker 1: know what Jared Cook is. He's big foot. I just
Speaker 1: think they don't even need to throw the ball all
Speaker 1: that much for Mary Cooper to reach that. It's essentially
Speaker 1: the Chris Hogan theory, right, like, not even more so
Speaker 1: than the Chris Hogan theory more with Doug Baldwin theory,
Speaker 1: where it's just like who else is he going to torgety? Like,
Speaker 1: who else is he going to throw it too? And
Speaker 1: that includes in the red zone. In the red zone
Speaker 1: you look at Seattle and you mentioned this with Doug Balin,
Speaker 1: you're not throwing a tie lock at the red zone. Well,
Speaker 1: Brandon Marshall looking good exactly Jimmy Graham has gone. Doug
Speaker 1: Balling is the man. You can do the same thing
Speaker 1: in Oakland, where all right, Jared Cook's fair fine, but
Speaker 1: their biggest threat in the red zone was Michael Crabtree
Speaker 1: and he's no longer there. And I don't look at
Speaker 1: Martavis Bryant like that. I don't. I mean, Jordy Nelson's
Speaker 1: the answer to the question. I've said, I like Jordy
Speaker 1: and because of that, I don't. And I get it.
Speaker 1: I'm sneaking with a Maria Cooper and I know that
Speaker 1: that's exactly I see a lot of people's he only
Speaker 1: had one good game last year. That's absolutely true about
Speaker 1: Amri Cooper. But when we do this for throughout the
Speaker 1: draft process for the teen season, we're projecting forward. You know,
Speaker 1: I would do the Whiteboard series. I would nearly draft
Speaker 1: carry On Johnson on at least one team every single time.
Speaker 1: And people would kill me and they say, have you
Speaker 1: seen the Lions running back to the past couple of years?
Speaker 1: Why are we looking backwards? We're supposed to be. Yes,
Speaker 1: you take that into account for sure, but you use
Speaker 1: that to help project forward. And I just think based
Speaker 1: on you know what we remember what a Marie Cooper
Speaker 1: did his first and second year. He finished as wide
Speaker 1: receiver thirteen just two years ago. Are we just throwing
Speaker 1: that out the window. And you're getting a bit of
Speaker 1: a discount on him because last year, like you said,
Speaker 1: he was going on the ones to turn. So now
Speaker 1: we're getting him on the three four turn. That downside
Speaker 1: that we saw from him last year is baked to
Speaker 1: his price. We're projecting forward. He's the wide receiver one
Speaker 1: on this team. John Gruden keeps talking him up. Everything
Speaker 1: Michael Florida used to tell us about Amory Cooper is
Speaker 1: that John Gruden is going to do a lot pre snap,
Speaker 1: before the play even starts to get a Marie Cooper
Speaker 1: freed from that top cornerback. Whatever they do, move them
Speaker 1: into the slot, move them all around the formation. They're
Speaker 1: going to try what we expect to be creative and
Speaker 1: innovative ways to get a Marie Cooper open this year.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to trust that I already have him
Speaker 1: as my wide receiver one on one of my teams.
Speaker 1: That's not an ideal situation, but that was a team
Speaker 1: where I started off with three running backs in a
Speaker 1: non PPR league and in the fourth round, I end
Speaker 1: up with a Mariy Cooper as my wide receiver one
Speaker 1: and and I think that's a fair range. If you
Speaker 1: could get him in the middle of the fourth round,
Speaker 1: I think that's good value. Actually, I have him in
Speaker 1: my rankings next to Alan Robinson and Alan Robinson. The
Speaker 1: more we've read about Trey Burton, and we've read a
Speaker 1: lot about that this morning, there's a lot of reports
Speaker 1: about how good Trey Burton can be for the Bears.
Speaker 1: Alan Robinson is quietly kind of moved backwards for no
Speaker 1: fault of his own. He's only gotten healthier and looked better.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's been fatigue because we're so all in in
Speaker 1: the Bears a couple of weeks ago and now we're not. Now,
Speaker 1: Alan Robinson has not burned me. I didn't draft him
Speaker 1: last year. I and draft him the year before after
Speaker 1: the breakout um. But now he's in Chicago and I
Speaker 1: think Allen Robinson, Frank, I think you're gonna tell me
Speaker 1: you feel more comfortable with him as a three aid
Speaker 1: than a two. Also, is that fair that that would
Speaker 1: be ideal? I don't think it's going to happen based
Speaker 1: on ADP. What number is he for you he is.
Speaker 1: He's now behind Chris Hogan. I have him as wide
Speaker 1: receiver eighteen. He's once spot behind Chris Hogan. So as
Speaker 1: I look at my rankings, I have him as wide
Speaker 1: receiver seventeen. And the guys behind him are some of
Speaker 1: the names who mentioned before the Golden Tape, Marvin Jones,
Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry, Josh Gordon, and Chris Hogan. And I'm considering
Speaker 1: just moving him behind all of them. Is that crazy?
Speaker 1: I don't think it's crazy. I think his ADP is
Speaker 1: actually dropping a little bit, and for no reason, no
Speaker 1: fault of his own. It's the fact that everybody around
Speaker 1: him is getting hyped up. That's Anthony Miller, that's Trey Burton. Um,
Speaker 1: we expect this seem to be a pretty balanced offense.
Speaker 1: I think we expect that, but there's a lot of
Speaker 1: mounts to feed. Think about this Bears offense. They're gonna
Speaker 1: give Jordan Howard, I'd say at least sixteen eighteen carries
Speaker 1: per game on Torre Cohen is going to get a
Speaker 1: few targets per game, four or five, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: But then you have Trey Burton. Adam Shaheen is going
Speaker 1: to be healthy at some point who they've talked up
Speaker 1: in this offense as well. They draft Anthony Miller, who
Speaker 1: by all processes killing preseason right now and training camp. Um,
Speaker 1: they have Taylor Gabriel who they can take a few
Speaker 1: shots down the field with. Kevin White is even playing
Speaker 1: now in the preseason. Heard the analyst Chris Vencha talking
Speaker 1: him up. Well once again, Um, I just think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of mounts to fet I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think to me, Allen Robinson when he was good with
Speaker 1: the Jaguars, he was a volume play. He needed lots
Speaker 1: of targets. That year we had four yards, fourteen touchdowns.
Speaker 1: He needed targets. I just don't know that the volume
Speaker 1: is necessarily there for the Bears. And only that, I
Speaker 1: don't know that the passing efficiency is going to be
Speaker 1: there either. Everyone's talking up the Bears like they're the
Speaker 1: Rams of this season. That is very very high praise,
Speaker 1: and if not realistic, it just isn't. Mitchell Robinsky should
Speaker 1: undoubtedly be better this year, but is he gonna take
Speaker 1: that Jared Goff step. I don't think that's going to happen.
Speaker 1: And I just think he might be an inefficient quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in his sophomore year. I think for all those reasons,
Speaker 1: they're kind of working against Allen Robinson. I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I have him ranked as a top wide receiver, but
Speaker 1: ideally I want him as my wide receiver three and
Speaker 1: based on ADP he's moved down to fifty overall. You
Speaker 1: could get him on that four or five swing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think it would a job. Allen Robinson drava
Speaker 1: right now, and I started. I drove him after Golden
Speaker 1: Tate and Marvin Jones. But my question to you is
Speaker 1: who would you rather have as you Golden j Marvin
Speaker 1: Jones half point. I still do have Golden Tate higher,
Speaker 1: but I think there is some concern because you look
Speaker 1: at what he's done the past couple of years. A
Speaker 1: lot of these short passes that he catches close to
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, those were extensions of the running game.
Speaker 1: Now by all accounts I've said, I think the running
Speaker 1: game for the Lions is going to be better this year.
Speaker 1: And their offensive line let me down in Week two
Speaker 1: of the preseason. They did not look good by any means.
Speaker 1: I need to see improvement in the third preseason game
Speaker 1: or else maybe I start to drop carry on Johnson
Speaker 1: a little bit, but they bring it. They draft carry
Speaker 1: On Johnson, they bring in mcgarrett Blunt, they still have
Speaker 1: Theo Riddic. This team wants to run the ball more
Speaker 1: and now maybe you know, running the ball more and
Speaker 1: if they do it more efficiently, we see a few
Speaker 1: less targets this year for Golden Tate, who has been
Speaker 1: a volume play kind of similar to how Jarvis Landry
Speaker 1: was in Miami. So I think he's still a lock
Speaker 1: for like eighty to ninety receptions and you know nin
Speaker 1: plus yard is gonna be in that four or five
Speaker 1: touchdown range. He doesn't have crazy upside, but you know
Speaker 1: what you're gonna get out of Golden Tate. Marvin Jones.
Speaker 1: I'm more so worried about the Kenny Golladay effect here,
Speaker 1: and I've painted that picture for you before. Greg. I
Speaker 1: think there's a chance that as this offense becomes more
Speaker 1: balanced and the fact that Kenny Golladay is there, is
Speaker 1: that maybe one week it's Marvin Jones, maybe one week
Speaker 1: it's Kenny Golladay, But the consistent guy week and week
Speaker 1: out I think will still be Golden Tate. I still
Speaker 1: have them rights ahead of Marvin Jones. By one spot
Speaker 1: or like significantly, I have Golden there two spots apart.
Speaker 1: I have Golden Tate wide receiver twenty three. So the
Speaker 1: way that I've tiered it is I kind of tiar
Speaker 1: them by round. So my Tier four is Hogan Robinson,
Speaker 1: Landry Da Marius, Josh Gordon, Juju and Golden Tee. And
Speaker 1: then Tier five with think is like our solid fifth
Speaker 1: round picks Corey Davis, Marvin Jones at wide receiver twenty
Speaker 1: five and in Brandon Cooks and Sammy Watkins. All right,
Speaker 1: so you you have Marvin Jones a little bit lower
Speaker 1: than I do. I'm buying the Marvin. I'm buying Marvin
Speaker 1: Jones and less into Kenny Golladay than you are. With that,
Speaker 1: we're gonna sign off YouTube. We will of course continue
Speaker 1: live on our podcast. Uh, so'll gover the next five
Speaker 1: more minutes. YouTube. Coming up next, it's the Fantasy Football Frenzy,
Speaker 1: Corey Parson, Chris Ventra and of course the Fantasy Taz.
Speaker 1: Jim Day will have you there. Uh, if you're watching
Speaker 1: us on YouTube, we'll see tomorrow. Um, if you're on
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Speaker 1: or so. I also with that Frank. If I can
Speaker 1: find the read in the right spot, I will re no,
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Speaker 1: Jones in that tire ahead of you. I have buying
Speaker 1: Marvin Jones more so than you. But there's two names
Speaker 1: you mentioned that are in that last year that are
Speaker 1: in that top twenty four ish and that was Jujuice
Speaker 1: Smith Schuster, and that was da Marius Thomas. I agree
Speaker 1: with one of them. I have a Juju ranked as
Speaker 1: my twenty fourth ranked wide receiver, and much rather have
Speaker 1: him as a high volume when high end wide receiver
Speaker 1: three than a wide receiver too. That's why he's twenty four.
Speaker 1: That's called borderline number twenty three. A guy that you
Speaker 1: mentioned more in your sixth round, I believe that was
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks. He snuck in there as my top twenty four. Now.
Speaker 1: I think he was the one player in our daft
Speaker 1: people were sleeping on for whatever reason, they just were
Speaker 1: asleep at the Wheel. He went for ten bucks in
Speaker 1: my auction whatever, nothing despite playing this vaunted Rams offense.
Speaker 1: But I think people have this image of what Sammy
Speaker 1: Watkins did last year, and I actually have Sammy Watkins
Speaker 1: in front of ja Marius Thomas, but in the same
Speaker 1: year for me, the year ends of Smith, Schuster, Cooks
Speaker 1: and Schuster twenty three and twenty four. So I have
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks ranked as my wide receiver twenty six just
Speaker 1: based on what he's done in the past. But to
Speaker 1: be honest, he's another one of these guys on my
Speaker 1: do not draft list. He's very similar to j H.
Speaker 1: G I in my opinion, you look at the schedule
Speaker 1: for Brandon Cooks, it's terrible like he is going to
Speaker 1: face a lot of tough corners this year. The targets,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't really know what the target volume
Speaker 1: is going to be. Like, I think he's gonna get
Speaker 1: more than Sammy Watkins last year, who I think was
Speaker 1: in the eighty range with the Rams, he'll probably get
Speaker 1: up to a hundred ish, maybe a hundred and ten,
Speaker 1: but he's consistently been over a hundred and ten in
Speaker 1: his career. And reminder, he's played with Drew Brees and
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, two of the best quarterbacks we've ever seen play.
Speaker 1: So he's moving over to an offense with Jared Goff,
Speaker 1: He's not gonna have the same volume where he's gonna
Speaker 1: see likely the team's number one cornerback. I just don't
Speaker 1: want anything to do with Brandon Cooks where he's going
Speaker 1: right now. Marvin Jones, I painted the picture for you
Speaker 1: a while ago when him with in the lineup with
Speaker 1: Kenny Golladay versus without. Per game with Golladay eleven games,
Speaker 1: five points pree targets, three point one receptions, fifty seven
Speaker 1: yards per game, and about half a touchdown. Without Golliday
Speaker 1: five games goes up to ten targets, five point four receptions,
Speaker 1: eighty five yards per game. Uh, and the touchdown rate
Speaker 1: was pretty much the same during that span. But it's
Speaker 1: there's no doubt that when Gallady was gone, that's when
Speaker 1: Marvin Jones did a lot of his damage. So I'm
Speaker 1: factoring that in and the fact that I think that
Speaker 1: the Lions offense is gonna be more well bounced. I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna run the ball a little bit more.
Speaker 1: So that's why I dropped Marvin Jones. I think it's
Speaker 1: still be all right, but I want him as my
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Three. I can't have him as my wide
Speaker 1: rechivers two. Should you fear Courtland Sutton taking away anything?
Speaker 1: Even Demarius Thomas much like Golladay and Marvin Jones actually
Speaker 1: talking more about moving Damarius Thomas to the slot really
Speaker 1: to get Courtland Sutton more work on the outside alongside
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Sanders. And I've that's a good spot forda Marius.
Speaker 1: I think we could see maybe a Larry Fitzgerald kind
Speaker 1: of renaissance out of it. We are doing come up next,
Speaker 1: it's the Fantasy Football Frenzy. Stay tuned for that. For
Speaker 1: Frank Staffle, I'm Grex Sousman. We'll do the next round
Speaker 1: of wide receivers tomorrow, we hope,