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<v Speaker 1>Good evening and welcome aboard with me on the phone tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Is one of my all time favorite authors. Love your

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<v Speaker 1>preaching and now you've got Max Uh an inspiring book

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<v Speaker 1>that is so timely with me as Max Lucado, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about um your new book that

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<v Speaker 1>that the timing could not Sadly, the timing could not

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<v Speaker 1>be more perfect. There seems to be, by the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for for the opportunity. I think

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<v Speaker 1>so highly of you and uh, just hearing your voice

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<v Speaker 1>warms my heart. So I'm so grateful to be to

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<v Speaker 1>be with you. There's there's so many causes for anxiety

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. It just seems like we're at a

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<v Speaker 1>fever pitch uh and uh and and people are struggling

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<v Speaker 1>to find a way to calm down and to uh

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<v Speaker 1>and to take a deep breath. Uh. Some of these

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<v Speaker 1>are natural disasters, some of these are political concerns. There's

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<v Speaker 1>threats from you know, North Korea. There's there's conversations about conflicts,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it's it's difficult, uh to find a way

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of settle down and calmed down. And when

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote this book about I guess I finished it

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<v Speaker 1>seven or eight months ago. I thought, well, it'd be

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<v Speaker 1>good to have this book coming up now because of

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<v Speaker 1>all the anxiety over politics. And now I'm thinking, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a good thing is coming out right now because

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of things that about natural disasters and politics,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I guess anytime you talk about anxiety, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a needed topic. Well, we do we we do have

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<v Speaker 1>the natural disasters, the largest hurricanes to ever hit US,

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<v Speaker 1>and wildfires out of control, and as you said, that

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<v Speaker 1>conflict going on with insanity in North Korea and trying

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<v Speaker 1>to understand that, but Max, I think just our lifestyle,

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<v Speaker 1>just our lifestyle is so anxiety producing. You know that

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<v Speaker 1>the tablets and the you know, the devices that kids

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<v Speaker 1>now have, little kids, little kids, not just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>teenagers who need to call home or do homework, but

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<v Speaker 1>little kids. And and the way we are constantly bombarded

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<v Speaker 1>with images. Yeah. I read someplace, uh that the average

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<v Speaker 1>American and spends between six and eight hours a day

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<v Speaker 1>either consuming TV or media on a device. Wow, how

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<v Speaker 1>can that be? Yeah? And if you compare that with

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<v Speaker 1>two or three generations ago, our ancestors, you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>shut down when the sun went down. They they went

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<v Speaker 1>as far on a given day as their horse or

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<v Speaker 1>camel would take them. But we don't shut down when

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<v Speaker 1>the sun goes down. And we see uh night as

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<v Speaker 1>a great time to take the red off lot so

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<v Speaker 1>we can be at work in the morning. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>a hectic, hectic time. And I believe we're starting to

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<v Speaker 1>really pay the price for that, Tolna. You know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>we've learned that that this the United States is officially

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<v Speaker 1>the most anxious nation in the world. Uh, And that

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<v Speaker 1>this generation is the most anxious nation since anxiety, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>has been measured, and so the land of stars and

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<v Speaker 1>stripes has become the land of stress and strikes, and

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<v Speaker 1>and we find ourselves just wrapped tighter than mummies and

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<v Speaker 1>not knowing how to handle, uh, the challenges that come

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<v Speaker 1>our way. So you said something that just struck a

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<v Speaker 1>chord to me. You said, the presence of anxiety is unavoidable,

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<v Speaker 1>but the prison of anxiety is optional. Absolutely. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think anybody in the world escapes anxiety. I'm confident of that.

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<v Speaker 1>And if anybody says they're never anxious, then I've got

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<v Speaker 1>another book I once wrote on honesty. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>even Jesus in in the in the stories in the Bible,

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<v Speaker 1>even Jesus felt anxiety on the night before the crucifixion.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that powerful, poignant story of Jesus in the Garden

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<v Speaker 1>of Gestimony, uh, praying asking to be delivered from what

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<v Speaker 1>he was about to face. He was overwhelmed by fear. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the difference is he didn't let fear win, but he

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<v Speaker 1>did face fear. So so I think anxiety comes with life,

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<v Speaker 1>but it just simply doesn't have to dominate our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think there are ways we can learn to

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<v Speaker 1>talk ourselves back off the ledge to calm ourselves down.

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<v Speaker 1>There's certain UH tools we can develop to help us

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<v Speaker 1>move from people whose lives are characterized by chaos to

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<v Speaker 1>become people who's really their lives are characterized by calm.

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<v Speaker 1>And I really think we need a quorum of people

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<v Speaker 1>who will simply calm everything down. You know, I'm almost

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<v Speaker 1>hesitant to post anything on face hoo can you more, Lalla?

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<v Speaker 1>Because it seems to stir up an argument from somebody

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere that there there there, there are, There are trigger

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<v Speaker 1>points that I didn't know existed. And I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>because we're anxious and we we don't. We don't. We're

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<v Speaker 1>starting to lose our ability to have reasonable conversations and

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<v Speaker 1>to be civil with one another. Can does that make sense? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Does it make sense? Come on? Max? I I can

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<v Speaker 1>put up the sweetest, most simple little picture or just

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<v Speaker 1>a little quote, you know, a post about hope, and

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<v Speaker 1>people attack me. I'm like really, come on? Yeah? And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry to say this because I'm a pastor, but

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes Christians UH can can come across as harsh and

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<v Speaker 1>dogmatic and sometimes as if sometimes sometimes being generous sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>and I hope I want to say it's a minority.

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<v Speaker 1>But but I do think that there is a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to sit down with somebody and disagree

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<v Speaker 1>agreeably requires a certain level of confidence and uh and

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<v Speaker 1>and and in peace within yourself. But if I'm an

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<v Speaker 1>agitated person, if I'm an anxious person, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>have a hard time having a disagreement with somebody agreeably.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna get defensive, I'm gonna withdraw, I'm gonna polar

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to create an island upon which I live

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<v Speaker 1>and not let anybody else in. And I think what

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<v Speaker 1>we're seeing in our country today now see hold on,

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<v Speaker 1>just hold on just a second here, because you just

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<v Speaker 1>painted a picture of my sister, you did, you painted

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<v Speaker 1>them When she's anxious, when she's stressing, she withdraws, she

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<v Speaker 1>goes to the island. I when I get anxious, when

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<v Speaker 1>I get exhausted, I'm the one that storms your island,

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<v Speaker 1>demanding that you see things my way. It's true. And

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<v Speaker 1>when I get anxious, and for me, uh, if I

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<v Speaker 1>don't take care of first things first, if I don't

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<v Speaker 1>get enough sleep, if I don't need healthy, if I

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<v Speaker 1>don't get some exercise, those three things, that's when my

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<v Speaker 1>anxiety starts to build. And this past summer, my husband

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<v Speaker 1>and I took ten kids in a year old RV

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<v Speaker 1>to Yellowstone, Um and some somewhere along the way. We

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<v Speaker 1>thought that was a good idea, you know, to sleep intense.

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<v Speaker 1>They slept intents. We slept in a year old r

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<v Speaker 1>V with orange cheg carpeting, and so sleep patterns were interrupted.

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<v Speaker 1>Kids were cold at night, everybody was grumpy, and I

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<v Speaker 1>found myself going ballistic over a bag of peas that disappeared.

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<v Speaker 1>I bought a bag of peas at a farmer's market

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<v Speaker 1>and I couldn't find him, and I was a screaming

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<v Speaker 1>maniac in the campground over a bag of peas. Anxiety

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<v Speaker 1>can can turn us all into crazy folks. It does,

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<v Speaker 1>It really does. My godson actually said, Mom, I think

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<v Speaker 1>if you had a videotape of yourself right now, you

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<v Speaker 1>would be really embarrassed. Yeah. Well, I don't know who

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<v Speaker 1>told you it was a good idea to take ten

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<v Speaker 1>kids on a camping carpalogy. You know, you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to bear some of the consequence of that yourself. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but what did we once we got some sleep, what

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<v Speaker 1>did we have fun? You did I bet you did.

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<v Speaker 1>You were intense in a different way. Yes, yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>was intense in a different way. The kids were intense,

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<v Speaker 1>and so was I. Okay, back to steps we can take.

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<v Speaker 1>Number one, don't take ten kids camping in a year old.

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<v Speaker 1>But other steps we can take, Max, and you outline

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<v Speaker 1>these so sweetly in calm uh to find that that

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<v Speaker 1>I of the storm, that place of peace. A favorite

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<v Speaker 1>book of mine in the Bible for many many years

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<v Speaker 1>has been a little four chapter letter called Philippians. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was written by the apostle Paul while he was

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<v Speaker 1>in prison. Uh. And I say that to say that

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<v Speaker 1>when you read the letter, you'd think he's on a

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<v Speaker 1>Jamaican beach, sitting on my time, because it's a happy letter.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's it's full of joy, it's full of hope.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet here's a guy sitting in a Roman prison,

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<v Speaker 1>and odds are he's going to be executed in the

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<v Speaker 1>any day now. And yet he pens this beautiful epistle,

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<v Speaker 1>and right in the middle of it is that phrase

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<v Speaker 1>from which we got the title of the book, be

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<v Speaker 1>anxious for nothing. And so I took that passage in Delilah.

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<v Speaker 1>I just divided it up into four sections. And here's

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<v Speaker 1>his way, he says, to deal with anxiety. First, he

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<v Speaker 1>would say, celebrate God. He says, rejoice in the Lord. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>I say rejoice. So we celebrate God's goodness, we celebrate

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<v Speaker 1>God's strength, we celebrate all the wonder whole things about God.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we celebrate the things we don't know about God.

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<v Speaker 1>You just say, Lord, we trust that you're in control.

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<v Speaker 1>But then the second thing he says is ask the

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<v Speaker 1>Lord for help. He says, be anxious for nothing, but

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<v Speaker 1>in everything, let your uh. Let your prayers and petitions

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<v Speaker 1>be men known to God. In other words, just pray

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<v Speaker 1>about it. So, rather than react before your troubles get

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<v Speaker 1>a hold of you, give your troubles to God. And

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<v Speaker 1>then the third word, third key word is uh, the

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<v Speaker 1>letter L. Leave. Leave the problem with God. Paul says,

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<v Speaker 1>do this with thanksgiving. So you do so. With thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 1>You trust that it's in his hands now and now

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<v Speaker 1>that you don't have to worry about it. Then Paul says, now,

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<v Speaker 1>meditate on these things, and he gives us a list

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<v Speaker 1>of nine virtues to think about. It's basically, whatever is true,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever is honest, whatever is good, whatever is hopeful. In

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<v Speaker 1>other words, quit focusing on the messiness of life. Make

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<v Speaker 1>an intentional decision to look at the rainbows, to look

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<v Speaker 1>at the unsets and and it's very practical. Counsel So

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<v Speaker 1>you celebrate, you ask, you leave, you meditate, calm. It

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<v Speaker 1>literally calms a person down. And I think everybody who

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<v Speaker 1>finds himself in an anxious situation, rather than to give

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<v Speaker 1>in to the anxiety, can step in and and and

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<v Speaker 1>hold it back and begin to react in this way,

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll find themselves calming down. Okay, So see a

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<v Speaker 1>l M. Celebrate, ask, leave, and meditate, and meditate, Celebrate

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<v Speaker 1>God's goodness, ask God for help, leave the problem with him,

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<v Speaker 1>and meditate on good things. This is good because it's simple.

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<v Speaker 1>I need simple. Yeah, you and me both like the

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<v Speaker 1>term kiss keep it simple, silly, Yeah, I need. I

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<v Speaker 1>need these little simple tools to get me through. We

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<v Speaker 1>all do, we all do. And anxiety is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a challenging thing, it really is, and I

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<v Speaker 1>sure don't want to minimize it. If your anxiety has

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<v Speaker 1>gotten to the point where you need pharmaceutical help or

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<v Speaker 1>counseling or pastoral visit, do whatever it takes. I believe anxiety, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>perpetual anxiety, de Laila, this, this lifelong anxiety can really

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<v Speaker 1>bring a person down. It it can, It can just

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<v Speaker 1>suck them into a well of despair. And I believe

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<v Speaker 1>that there is a good God who will help us,

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<v Speaker 1>who doesn't desire that we live in this state of

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<v Speaker 1>perpetual anxiety. We let fear do its work. Fear is

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<v Speaker 1>God's idea, that's what keeps us from, you know, stepping

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<v Speaker 1>out into traffic. But we don't let fear turn into

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<v Speaker 1>this perpetual anxiety that keeps us from ever getting in

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<v Speaker 1>a car and going out on the road again. So

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<v Speaker 1>we let fear do its work. But then we let

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves rest, We recover, We try to think clearly, and

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<v Speaker 1>most of all, we ask God for help. And I think,

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's this, there is a way out of

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<v Speaker 1>this anxious pattern that people find themselves. There's something in

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<v Speaker 1>this this new book Anxious for Nothing Max That, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that was so beautiful. You wrote it so beautifully. What

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<v Speaker 1>you just said, that there's nothing we can do to

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<v Speaker 1>earn God's loves. Yeah, and he'll never be mad at

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<v Speaker 1>us again. That blew my mind. I mean I know that,

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<v Speaker 1>but the way you wrote it, so simply and so

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<v Speaker 1>sweetly blew my mind. And it's hard because we do.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody else treats us with conditional love, even our best,

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<v Speaker 1>best people. They love us more when we're better, They

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<v Speaker 1>love us a little bit less when we're less. Think

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they love us more when everything's great, they

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<v Speaker 1>love us less when we're all in Yellowstone. But you

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<v Speaker 1>know that's that's that's human nature. But there is a

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<v Speaker 1>perfect love. There is an unconditional love in the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>Into this, cover this, and live in the shadow and

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<v Speaker 1>the overflow of that. That's that's just really last changing,

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<v Speaker 1>it really is. Well. I would love to get some

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<v Speaker 1>more copies of this so I can send them out

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<v Speaker 1>to my listeners, because you know, when I'm interviewed, when

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<v Speaker 1>I'm interviewed by radio or TV or whatever, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the questions I get asked a lot is, Delilah, you've

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<v Speaker 1>been doing this show for many years, many decades at

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<v Speaker 1>this point, have you seen a change in the kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of calls you get each night? And Max, I take

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<v Speaker 1>sixty calls a night, And the biggest change I think

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen, especially the last five years, is in the

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<v Speaker 1>level of anxiety in my listeners, people call, and God

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<v Speaker 1>bless them, they sent on hold for five minutes to

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<v Speaker 1>get to talk to me. And nine percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>time when they call with a Delilah dilemma or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>it is, this anxious mess in their heart that a

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<v Speaker 1>five minute phone call in us four minute song isn't

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<v Speaker 1>going to fix. And and I spend as much time

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<v Speaker 1>counseling as them as I can, sharing you know, my faith.

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<v Speaker 1>But if, if, if I could send or encourage every

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<v Speaker 1>person listening to go pick up Anxious for Nothing. If

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<v Speaker 1>you are dealing with anxiety, if your teenager is getting

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<v Speaker 1>into drugs, if your husband is being unfaithful, if your

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<v Speaker 1>wife just walked out the door, if you lost your job,

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<v Speaker 1>if your house was affected by the hurricanes, if there's

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<v Speaker 1>a wildfire near your home, if there's uh you know,

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<v Speaker 1>being bombarded by social media, the political climate, whichever you know,

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<v Speaker 1>left or right, or fighting you're doing with your best friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Spend a few hours reading Anxious for Nothing and find

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<v Speaker 1>that calm, that calm. Are you gonna go crazy? I

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<v Speaker 1>lose you? No, I'm doing my favorite thing. I'm listening

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<v Speaker 1>to Thelima. But really, I mean and and don't you

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<v Speaker 1>think that, like mental illness and heart disease and cancer,

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<v Speaker 1>the core roots. You know, if you were a surgeon

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<v Speaker 1>and you could cut that tumor out, the core of

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<v Speaker 1>that tumor often times I think is anxiety and anger,

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<v Speaker 1>because in me, anxiety always produces anger, always it does.

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<v Speaker 1>I would encourage people don't don't beat yourself up for

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<v Speaker 1>feeling anxious. I've been surprised how many people in this

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<v Speaker 1>conversation say, oh, I feel so bad about being so anxious.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you're worrying about worrying. You know, it's it is

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<v Speaker 1>a hard laugh, it is, so don't beat yourself up.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, don't assume that you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to spend the rest of your life living in this

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<v Speaker 1>a petrol state of anxiety. There are ways you can

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<v Speaker 1>learn to talk to yourself, back off the ledge, there

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<v Speaker 1>are ways you can learn to calm down. There are

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<v Speaker 1>ways and uh, and most of all, I believe there

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<v Speaker 1>is a good God who loves you and who will

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<v Speaker 1>help you. And and there are people who don't live

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<v Speaker 1>in anxiety. That's what's encouraging. There really are pockets of

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<v Speaker 1>people who are finding peace. They're they're not naive about life,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're they're peaceful about the future, and they're trusting

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<v Speaker 1>in the presence of God. They're not antagonistic, they're not devices.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just good, healthy, hopeful, hope filled people. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's what our country you need, and really that's

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<v Speaker 1>what the world needs. Just the passage that this book

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<v Speaker 1>unpacks has a neat phrase in it. The Apostle says,

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<v Speaker 1>let your gentleness be made evident to all, and gentleness

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<v Speaker 1>there is a word that really means even tempered, nous

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<v Speaker 1>or level headedness. Couldn't we you is a fresh batch

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<v Speaker 1>of even tempered, level headed people helping us navigate our

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<v Speaker 1>way through this world. Who who can build bridges, who

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<v Speaker 1>can help us communicate better? That's what we really need.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's the kind of person that that

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<v Speaker 1>faith can build. Uh. And that's this even tempered person.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the other promise in that passage is that

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<v Speaker 1>God will give you a peace that passes all understanding. Amen?

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<v Speaker 1>Can I get an amen? Amen? Amen? Amen? Amen? And

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<v Speaker 1>don't we need that? Max? Thank you You're so kind

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<v Speaker 1>Galilah and uh to some of my happiest moments or

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<v Speaker 1>back when I had a community, I don't have one anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I work at home too, but I used to listen

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<v Speaker 1>to you every evening driving home, and just hearing your

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<v Speaker 1>voice now it brings back such great memory. So thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for what you've meant to me and millions of us

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<v Speaker 1>through the years. Thank you, slow down and less amer

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<v Speaker 1>which you lie. Love,