1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Women make the world go round. You know, they're they're 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: sure that their bosses answer all their phone calls and 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: you know, answer their mail, and that there's enough coffee 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: in the in the office. Once upon a time, That's 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: how it was in the American office, as any viewer 6 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: of TVs Madmen could tell you. On this edition of 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: On the Job From Hired to Retired, we have a 8 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: profile of Carol Davis and want to tell you right 9 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: off the bat that our reporter, Katie Davis, is Carol's daughter. 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: She saw her mom rise from typist and switchboard operator 11 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,279 Speaker 1: to having one of the most important jobs in her profession. 12 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: Her story in a moment. First, a word about Express 13 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: Employment Professionals. Over the past thirty four years, Express Employment 14 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: Professionals has put millions of people to work in meaningful 15 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: and fulfilling jobs and careers. If you're looking for work 16 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: or want to grow your workforce, go to express pros 17 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: dot com. Job hopping is what people do these days. 18 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: Many will have four different jobs in just the first 19 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: decade out of college. So let's consider a woman who 20 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: worked at the same place for thirty nine years. Carol 21 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: Davis is seventy nine now. She started her job in 22 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,199 Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties, a time when the number of women 23 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: in the workforce was increasing, even though their ranks were 24 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: very thin in management and in many professions. Here's Katie Davis. 25 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: Morning rush hasn't started, and Carol Davis polls into the 26 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: driveway of her old office. It was a private home 27 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: and then converted into the American Psychiatric Association. Carol Davis 28 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: gets out of the car and points up to the 29 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: second floor and that up there to the right of 30 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: the entrance with my office, the big that they had 31 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: these big windows and each window has a little balcony 32 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: on it. And come around here and I'll show you 33 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: Dr Barton's office. Dr Walter Barton, I grew up here 34 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: in that name. My mother's boss was a teacher. When 35 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: she really needed one, she learned about psychiatry ethics and 36 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: that sometimes you just have to do things yourself, Like 37 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: the day Dr Barton noticed the windows were dirty, and 38 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: right up there is where he stood on the balcony 39 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: had washed the windows. He didn't ask Carol Davis to 40 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: do it. He just got out there, suit and all. 41 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: And you're lucky, she says, if you get one boss 42 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: like him, once in your career just once. Carol says 43 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: she needed guidance when she arrived at the a p 44 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: A in nine. She was recently divorced and her husband 45 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: had custody of us kids. Her parents and weird in 46 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: West Virginia wanted her to come back to live in 47 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: the Steel Town and they would take care of everything, 48 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: including a house. But she knew if she ever wanted 49 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: her kids back, she had to be able to support herself, 50 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: and starting on the ground floor was just fine. I 51 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: wasn't really equipped to do much, to tell you the truth, 52 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: I think I typed twenty words a minute. Not well, 53 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: you know, I worked in some bars, and I worked 54 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: at you know, as a waitress, and but you know 55 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: that doesn't equip you for much. Then I went on 56 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: an interview with the a p A American psychiatric and 57 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: Joe Turgeon interviewed me, and basically, you know, I just said, 58 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: I don't really do too much, but I'd love to 59 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: have this job, and so he hired me based on 60 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: I guess a whole lot of trust and maybe like me. 61 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, but anyway, it was my first job there. 62 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: I don't do too much, but I'd love to have 63 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: this job. Imagine saying that in an interview, I can 64 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: see my mom flashing her wide smile, willing her way 65 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: into the American Psychiatric Association for herself and for us kids. 66 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: Carol tells me all this sitting in her blue chair 67 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: in the house she now owns We came to live 68 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: with her five years after she got that first job. 69 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: Folk art fills the wall, a silk screen of a 70 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: blue dog and painted slate from New Orleans. She sits 71 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: in that chair and reads two newspapers every day, finishes 72 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: two crossword puzzles, and plays bridge. She lives on her 73 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: pension and social Security. And all of it started at 74 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: the American Psychiatric Association. I don't know that I had 75 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: a chop time exactly, but I ordered the toilet paper, 76 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: and I ordered the paper towels, and I ordered the paper, 77 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: and you know, the pencils, all the things that people 78 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: needed to work. What did you need stencils for stencils. 79 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: That's how you duplicated things. This is pre xerox days. 80 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: If you wanted to like produce a ten page report, 81 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: you had the type ten pages of stencils, and then 82 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: you had to correct him if you made a mistake, 83 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: which was in and of itself, unbelievable. Correcting a stencil 84 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: you got purple all over yourself. It was awful. So 85 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: that's what I did in I also learned how to 86 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: relieve on the switchboard. I had never even seen a switchboard, 87 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: let alone run one, for God's sake, And let me 88 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: tell you, it was difficult. I am not the most 89 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: mechanical person in the world, and learning to push the 90 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: plug in the right hole to connect somebody sometimes often 91 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: eluded me. And I cut people off and they would mad, 92 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: and they would call down or come down and say 93 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: you cut me off, and say, well, I'm learning, I'm learning, please, 94 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: I'm learning. Anyway, I learned, but it was a real chore, 95 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: you know. That's why I think one of the things 96 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: that I used to enjoy when literally tall and did Ernestine, 97 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: which because that's how I felt. Oh anyway, so that 98 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: was my job. So that was my job. It was 99 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: work that women often did in the early nineteen sixties. 100 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: It was an association of men. Let's face it. I 101 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: mean there were very few women's psychiatrists. There were some, 102 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: but a very small number. But it was that they 103 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: you know, we're just super to me. I can't tell you. 104 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: You know, it was just so easy to work here 105 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: because the men were not showing us pigs. And if 106 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: they were, I didn't recknize that in those days, you know. 107 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: I mean, it was a good job and I loved 108 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: it in you know, they always treated me with a 109 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: great deal of respect. And and let me tell you, 110 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: I was a puppy who knew nothing. It was a 111 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: good place. We're going to take a short pause now, 112 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: and when we come back, I'll talk to Carol Davis 113 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: about her best years in her job and about the 114 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: time she stood up for herself when the American Psychiatric 115 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: Association tried to push her out. You're listening to On 116 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: the Job from Hired to Retired, brought to you by 117 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: Express Employment Professionals. I'm Steve Mencher. If you are searching 118 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: for a job, Express Employment Professionals can help access free 119 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: video training on what skills are in demand in today's 120 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: job market, resume writing, interview tips, and more. 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I'm Katie Davis, and we're talking with my mom, 130 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: Carol Davis, about her career with her lifetime employer. She 131 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: took an entry level job in nineteen and worked at 132 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: the same place until she retired. At first, she knew 133 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: very little about administrative work, so she stayed after five 134 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: o'clock for tutorials about the operations manual and the constitution 135 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: of the A p A. She says, in a way, 136 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: her lack of experience made her a blank slate for 137 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: learning how things were done there and forgetting a promotion 138 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: to work with the medical director Dr Barton. Up. I 139 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: went to you know, the fancy offices that he had, 140 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 1: uh and UM typed. I saw. All I did is 141 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: I typed and I've remembered that. I went in and 142 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: I said, Dr Barton, you have time to talk to me. 143 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: He said, well, of course, you know, I said, Dr Barton, 144 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: I took this job, but you told me that I 145 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: wasn't going to have to type all day and that's 146 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: all I do. And he said, oh, dear, well you'll 147 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: learn other things to do. And now at the end 148 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: of the discussion, so I learned other things to do. 149 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: That was kind of a brave thing to do. You 150 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 1: hadn't been working for him that long. You went right 151 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: up and talked to him. Well, that's who he was. 152 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: His door was always open, it never was closed ever ever, 153 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: you know. And once when I was I sat out 154 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: at his office and and I decided that I hadn't 155 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: had a raise, and I needed a little bit more money, 156 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: and so I thought, well, I'll look for a job. 157 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: So on my lunch ower, I wasn't sitting up my 158 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 1: desk reading the one as and Dr Barton's and circling them. 159 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: And Dr Barton said, are you looking for another job? 160 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: And I said, well, you know, I was thinking that 161 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: maybe I could make more money. And he said, oh, 162 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 1: so I got a race. And that was the only 163 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: time I ever did anything like that. I then I 164 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 1: got regular raises from then on and and I moved 165 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: up in the job. So I eventually, you know, became 166 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: his special assistant, and you know, and did more, you know, 167 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: but mostly I typed the whole day, even then because 168 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: he dictated. When someone would hear this, they might think, 169 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: how could you love this place that much? You're just 170 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: kind of uh doing a lot of typing because what 171 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: you were doing was interesting, you know. It wasn't dull business. 172 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: It was about psychiatric issues. It was about issues that 173 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: were important to the day, you know, like the a 174 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: p A, you know, revising its manual when I was there, 175 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,599 Speaker 1: and so I was there when they decided that homosexuality 176 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: was not a disease. It was a very exciting place 177 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: to be. I learned an enormous amount. I learned an 178 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: enormous amount about psychiatry. I read everything. I also got 179 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: to work with Dr Barton on ethics, which was a 180 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: real wonderful thing, even though it was you know, hard 181 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: when people are unethical, but it was exciting to learn. 182 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 1: I helped to write the first edition of the Principles 183 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: of Medical Ethics. It was exciting. Not only that, but 184 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: we got to play bridge at lunch. When Dr Barton 185 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: left the a p A. He invited Carol to go 186 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: with him and work at Dartmouth College in New Hampshire, 187 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: free tuition for us kids. She really wanted to go, 188 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: but said no because she didn't want to uproot the 189 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: family she had just remade. She continued to direct the 190 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: ethics complaint process for patients and psychiatrists, making sure any 191 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: breach of ethics was fully investigated. Later, though, Carol faced 192 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: a different boss who reduced her responsibilities and took away 193 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: her office. I thought my life was over. That's all 194 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: I could think of. That there was not going to 195 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: be anything I could do. My life was over. I 196 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: was not an important person anymore. Uh But I was 197 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: gladly because it was an uncomfortable last couple of years. 198 00:12:55,679 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: I had to see the A p A. Because my boss, 199 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: the third medical director, really wanted to get rid of 200 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: me and did everything but fire me what she felt 201 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 1: he couldn't do. So what I got out of the 202 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: suit was I got to create my own job, which 203 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: was nothing but doing the ethics, and that I would 204 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: stay until I was sixty five and then I would 205 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: retire and I wouldn't have a party. Everybody got a 206 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: going way party, big going way parties, and I planned 207 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: most of them. Yes, I did, as I said. Oh, 208 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: I said, You've got to be kidding again, I'm not 209 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: having a going on way party for what? And you know, 210 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: it was fine. So I packed up my little box 211 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: and fortunately, because nobody knew anything about the ethics job 212 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: but me and I had tried really hard to train somebody. 213 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: It's very complicated issue, you know, with lawyers and everything involved. Um, 214 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: so I got to do some consulting for them. I 215 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: was joe plugged into the ethics, which I loved. But 216 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: I'll tell you, life goes on. It was wonderful. I 217 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: could get up and turn my coffee and read the 218 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: newspaper before I even brush my teeth, you know, and 219 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: I had time just to do things. Tell us, okay, 220 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: what's okay? You've been listening to journalist Katie Davis interviewing 221 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: her mom, Carol Davis. And that's all for this edition 222 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: of On the Job from Hired to Retire from Express 223 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: Employment Professionals. Find out more at Express pros dot com. 224 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: This podcast is produced by Steve Mencher for Men's Media 225 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: and Red Seat Ventures. 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