1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up 2 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: straight Fire, Fam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire for Monday. 3 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: August first, Hello August. That means football training camps are underway, 4 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: preseason action is coming. The NBA goes on the shelf 5 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: until chaos erupts. Obviously, August a month for vacations. I 6 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: will be taking one soon, not yet soon. And I 7 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: don't know. It's getting hot out here in l A 8 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: rob G. I don't know how you handled the weekend, 9 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: but all I know is Saturday we were pool side 10 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: for like five hours. And when you have a couple 11 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: of drinks, a couple of white claws, of course, and 12 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: you're in the sun for hours, are you laughing at 13 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: white class a little bit at and you're in the 14 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: sun for hours, it just wears you down. Fell asleep 15 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: early Saturday night, woke up. My kids had basketball games. 16 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: We have some relative in town. August is one of 17 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: these hectic months. We are going to be on the 18 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: go for three straight weeks. And oh, by the way, 19 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: I'm still reading Warren Sharp's football preview. If you guys 20 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: missed Friday's podcast, it was it was awesome. If you 21 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: are excited for football, fantasy, all that stuff, gambling. Obviously 22 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: you've got to really listen to that pod and obviously 23 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: get into the Warren Sharp business. Also, we've had the 24 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: Football Outsiders guy Aaron Schatz shots on. Um, you know, listen, 25 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: it's football time and we will do a little bit 26 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: of baseball at the tail end of the podcast. MLB 27 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: trade deadline kind of a big deal with two humongous 28 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: names on the on the block. Um, I do want 29 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: to quickly jump in. I will be getting a medical 30 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 1: procedure this week. It will not impact the podcast. I'm 31 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: a little embarrassed to say what it is. Um, guys 32 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: will know what I'm talking about. No, it's not that, 33 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: but we'll talk about it later in the week. And 34 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: um so if I if I go dark on social 35 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: media for a while, uh you know it, don't be alarmed. 36 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: I'm just you know, recovering. And if I go dark 37 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: on social media. I did not survi the procedure. But 38 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: that's a little bleak to start the month of August. Rob, 39 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta say this to Shaun Watson News 40 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: that we're expected to hear at some point later this morning, 41 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:14,679 Speaker 1: perhaps later today perhaps this evening finally clarity. I mean 42 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: this has been going on over It's been over a year, right, 43 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: but at least a year and a half, maybe Rob, oh, 44 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, I think the first I heard 45 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: that it was serious was one. Obviously, Watson was coming 46 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: off the season of with the Texans and he was 47 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: unhappy and he wanted out, and there was all that 48 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: weirdness in the front office. By the way, there's been 49 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: like crickets on the Houston Texans front office. They just 50 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: had some shady characters doing some not great things, and 51 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: Watson's like, get me out of here. The recruiting started. 52 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: We know Miami was hot for him, and we also 53 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: know Atlanta wanted him. Carolina basically everybody desperate for a quarterback. 54 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: And also, by the way, Rob and I just took 55 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: a quick dance before the podcast at teams with starting 56 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the NFL, and I think you're gonna be 57 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: surprised in a second when we talk about this is 58 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: why Cleveland went all in for DeShawn Watson, because you're 59 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: about to hear some numbers that kind of staggering. Thirty 60 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: two teams in the league, there are not even close 61 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: to twenty five true starters in the NFL, not even close. 62 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: Watson is one of them, and his suspension. If you 63 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: are privy to inside information, I will say this is 64 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: a potentially good gambling opportunity for you, assuming the books 65 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: leaving our leaving lines up about the Cleveland Brown Super 66 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: Bowl odds, I saw on Sunday they were somewhere in 67 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: the neighborhood of forty one. Should Watson suspension come out, 68 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: and it's like five games, a lot of people will 69 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: be outraged, and that's fine. You guys can take that angle. 70 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: I will look at, Oh my gosh, that's it. Five games. 71 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: Holy Calvin. Brown suddenly becomes serious problems in the a 72 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: f C. Because if you look at their schedule, even 73 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: with Jacoby Brissette under center, I could say pretty confidently 74 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: they're gonna be favored against Carolina, my Jets, maybe a 75 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,559 Speaker 1: pick them against Pittsburgh. They're definitely gonna be favorite against 76 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: the falcon Is, the worst team in the league. So 77 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: three or the first four they will be favored. Even 78 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: without Watson. They're not beating the Chargers, they're not beating 79 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: the Patriots, they're not beating the Ravens, the Bengals, that's 80 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: when it gets hard. So if for some reason, this 81 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: Watson suspension is only four games and that feels light, 82 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: I think you've got to look at brown super Bowl 83 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: odds and start just rethinking the playoffs situation in the 84 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: a f C. And Rob that is not saying Watson 85 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: should be suspended for four I'm just saying, you know, 86 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: from a gambling perspective or even like an outlook perspective 87 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: or fantasy, you've got to take a look at. Okay, 88 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: if it's four, then this. If it's six, then this. 89 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: If it's eight, I don't think the Browns are a 90 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,239 Speaker 1: playoff team because if you look at those four games 91 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: after the first where their brutal Jacoby per said is 92 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: not getting by um two really good defenses in the 93 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: Chargers and Patriots, and then two really good teams in 94 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: the Ravens and Bengals. So four, six, eight, Now, if 95 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: you go ten, then you just can start writing off 96 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: the Browns and they can start planning for next year. 97 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: But this will have, you know, for better or worse, 98 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: this is gonna have a huge impact Rob on the 99 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: a f C. And I would say this season, if 100 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: he somehow gets a short suspension. Absolutely, and this is 101 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: something that we've kind of been bracing for for I 102 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: think like a month or two. Is the idea that 103 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: this was not going to be a lengthy suspension. We 104 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: had heard that the NFL was pushing really hard for 105 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: an indefinite suspension at a minimum would be one season, 106 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: So indefinite, but a minimum one season. Albert Brier, friend 107 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: of the show was on last week, said various duely 108 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: on Twitter yesterday that the reason why they were so 109 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: vocal and putting it out to anyone who would listen 110 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: that they wanted a one year suspension is because they 111 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: looks like they're expecting this to be a short suspension 112 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,679 Speaker 1: and they wanted the pr to be in their favor. 113 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: They said, look, we understand these allegations or heinous. We 114 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: understand what it looks like optic wise. We understand that 115 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: we can't be pro women's rights and l g b 116 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: t Q and all things like that and have one 117 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: of the faces of the NFL get accused of what's 118 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: twenty plus women sexual assault allegations and the guy gets 119 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: three games suspension, Like, that's just not jiving with what 120 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: we're pushing. And so there's a reason why they wanted that, 121 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: and and now what we're seeing and this just looks 122 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: like it's gonna come down later today is the NFL 123 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: p A and Deshaun Watson's attorneys had a great case like, 124 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: say what you want about him, and if you think 125 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 1: he's a bad guy, and and that's that's fine, that 126 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: that's totally fair. However, when Roger Goodell comes out and 127 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: says very publicly that our owners and our coaches and 128 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: our executives are how to a higher standard than even 129 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: the players, and yet you have Bob Kraft involved in 130 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: an alleged you know, prostitutions thing in Jupiter, Florida, and 131 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: nothing comes down from it, and and that yeah, and 132 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: their argument was, well, hey, the charges were dropped, so 133 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,559 Speaker 1: you know, obviously he was cleared in the court a lot. Well, 134 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: same thing happened with Shahn Watson exactly. And when you 135 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: paint yourself into a corner like that, this is what 136 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to deal with. Because I don't think anybody, 137 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: even the most staunch Deshaun Watson defenders, thinks he's truly 138 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: innocent in all this. They know that he may or 139 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: may not have done some unsavory things that you know 140 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: that that he's not totally clean in this, but when 141 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: you have guys who in the NFL's case, they set 142 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: a precedent and this is kind of what's gonna come 143 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: down from it. Yeah, it's weird. The New York Times 144 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: Daily podcast. I don't subscribe to many podcasts, but I 145 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: do subscribe to that one, and the headlines lately have 146 00:07:58,120 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: been kind of boring. I haven't listened any and then 147 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: one day last week up pops the New York Times 148 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: Daily the case against DeShawn Watson the NFL's most explosive, 149 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: and they tried to really hype in. I'm like, what 150 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: are they what's going on here? It's weird and you 151 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: could even I don't know if you guys listened to 152 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: that pot ever, but when the host was just like 153 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: curious as to what was going on, like there's a 154 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: lot of allegations, there's a lot of maybe this is 155 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: really bad, Like is it? It's just it's a weird 156 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: case all around. And that's why even after reading the stories, 157 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, you gotta give me a year. Remember, 158 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: there was at a moment where it's like he's done 159 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: for the year for sure, and then it's like, well, 160 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: can we get some perspective and you have to take 161 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: a step back, Like I even think the suspension against 162 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: the receiver Calvin Ridley a year for um gambling. I 163 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: thought that was insane. And one of my buddies sent 164 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: me a story by Seth Wickersham. I totally forgot about 165 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: this rob about Bill Belichick and cheating and Seth Wickersham 166 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: as of ESPN. So this was on ESPN like fifteen 167 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: years ago, ten or fift um, and it lays out 168 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:10,119 Speaker 1: the case that Bill Belichick was recording the opposing sidelines 169 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: for years years. That is straight up cheating in football, 170 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: and he didn't get the book thrown at him. I 171 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: mean spy Gate for for whatever you guys want to say, 172 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,599 Speaker 1: spy Gate, and this story and you should read it 173 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: because in hindsight you're like, oh my gosh, he got 174 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 1: nothing for this. And then the story lays out that 175 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: deflate Gate with the deflating footballs for the colds Gape 176 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: was basically a little bit of payback to the Patriots 177 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: for um, you know, obviously destroying the spy Gate tapes 178 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: that you know, the NFL made them destroy the tapes, 179 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: but also like that punishment felt light. And now, because 180 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: you know the climate and the era, you know me 181 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: too that everybody wants a year for Watson. But again, 182 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: if you step back and look at the history of 183 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: the owners, as Rob said, and what their punishments are 184 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: and the crimes, like, I don't know that a year 185 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: fits the crime, and crime has to be an air 186 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: quotes because I think Rob, is there any criminal cases left? 187 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: I think there might be one no, no, no, no 188 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: criminal cases, but he has one civil suit, one or 189 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: two civil suits left. So it's just it's one of 190 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: those weird things where it's like, how does the punishment 191 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: fit the crime? And then you get into that and 192 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: then you say something dumb and people come after you. 193 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna just walk away from that and just say, listen, 194 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: from an interesting perspective, I think you really need to 195 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: look at Watson and how it could impact the league. 196 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: That being said, I I want to talk about quarterbacks 197 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: and we'll get the Deebo Samuel's new deal in a second. 198 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: Briefly touch on that Fox Sports Radio has the best 199 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our 200 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: shows at Fox sports radio dot com and within the 201 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app search f s R to listen live. 202 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: When Rob and I were talking, It's like, boy, no, Watson, 203 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: Brown's are going to be in some trouble. The schedule 204 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: is manageable. Well, okay, fair enough. But then you look 205 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: around the league and you're like, okay, well, you know 206 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: how many true starting quarterbacks are there where you have 207 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: confidence this is my guy, not just for the next 208 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: one or two years, but this is my guy going forward. 209 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: This is our franchise quarterback. How many of those guys 210 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: are in the league. And if you look in the 211 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: a f C, I counted eleven eleven quarterbacks that right 212 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: now you said going forward, this is our guy for 213 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: the next decade. Josh Allen obviously, Joe Burrow, Deshaun Watson, 214 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Derek Carr, Justin Herbert, Russell Wilson, 215 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: those are locks. And then the next year, but still 216 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 1: this is my guy. I think Matt Jones's rookie year 217 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: was good enough combined with Belichick that I think you 218 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: have to say Matt Jones is their guy in New England. 219 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: We'll see what happens in his sophomore year, but I 220 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: think he's in that eleven of sixteen in the a 221 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: f C. I also think Matt Ryan, even though he's 222 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: kind of done in Atlanta, he was not horrible. He 223 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: has been a franchise. We've seen a guy like Philip 224 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 1: Rivers extend a career. We've seen Tom Brady playing at 225 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: He's turning forty five this week. Guys, I think you 226 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: could confidently say the Colts do not need to be 227 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: looking for a quarterback with Matt Ryan out there. Would 228 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: they love a young superstar? Of course, who wouldn't, but 229 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: they don't need to. I think Matt Ryan counts as 230 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: a franchise guy. I put Trevor Lawrence in there, despite 231 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 1: his spotty rookie year. It's Trevor Lawrence, one of the 232 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: most hype quarterbacks in the NFL in the last fifteen years. 233 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: The guy's super talented. He's not going to be a bust. 234 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: You could put him in there confidently. Um uh, you 235 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: know eleven of sixteen. Now, I did not include my jets. 236 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: We don't know his actuals. That's that's fair. We don't 237 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: know what TOA and don't say you know what TOA. 238 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 1: They were. They were looking all the time at Watson 239 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: for an upgrade. They were looking all the time at, oh, 240 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: how do we help out to Oh we got a guitar, frikkill. 241 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: Oh well, let's get Teddy Bridgewater just in case, Like, 242 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: who ain't the guy Pittsburgh. I don't know if you 243 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: guys saw this. Mitch Robinsky, Mitchell, sorry, Mitchell no longer 244 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: Mitchell taking all the first team reps. It's so funny. 245 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: I was rob and I were texting about this on 246 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: Sunday and I'm sitting there. I biked down to get 247 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: some ice cream and my daughter and her friend, and 248 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: I'm on my phone and I'm looking and I'm looking 249 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: at the Pro Football Focus stats from last year, and 250 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, let me just see how much Troubinsky did 251 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: in some scenarios. And I'm on the Pro Football Focus 252 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: website and Troubinsky is not coming up as one of 253 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. And I'm like, wait, did he not have 254 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: enough passes in Chicago? And then I was like, oh, 255 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: my gosh, Troubinsky wasn't even in Chicago. Mitch Robinsky was 256 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: the backup to Josh Allen last year and had eight 257 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: past attempts. He had ten dropbacks the entire season. He's 258 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: now the starter in Pittsburgh. Two years ago in Chicago 259 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: he had nine starts, he had the injuries, and I 260 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: benched as well. I think he was benched. He had 261 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: twenty turnover plays in nine games. That's like Daniel Dimes 262 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 1: ish he's ad and he is your starting quarterback. That 263 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: it's gonna not gonna take long. I think by the 264 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: month of September, you're gonna hear chirping out of that defense, like, listen, this, 265 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: this guy's not gonna cut it. Can you pick it 266 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: any ready? Mason Rudolph is in year four and he's 267 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: not beating out Trabisky for the job. That's bad. That's 268 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: very bad. Now. The one question rob Ryan Tannehill. Okay, 269 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: the only reason I know he's been in the playoffs 270 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: what three years in a row. I know a lot 271 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: of people can say, dude, Tannehill was not m v 272 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: P discussion, but he was the quarterback of the number 273 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: one seed last year. The argument against Tannehill, Rob is 274 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: the Titans are not committing to him long term and 275 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: they drafted a quarterback. How can you say with any 276 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: confidence he is your starter going forward? Like I know 277 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: he's the starter this year, this season and Week one obviously, 278 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: but Rob, I'm sorry, I don't have Ryan Tannehill as 279 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: being a franchise quarterback on our list of who are 280 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: real legit starting quarterbacks. Yeah, I mean when we started talking, 281 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: because we were texting about this on Sunday, but we 282 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: start talking before we started recording. And it's one thing 283 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: to say that there aren't as many starting quarterbacks in 284 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: the NFL as you'd expect. It's another thing to go 285 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: down the list and you see how many guys are like, 286 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: oh gosh, like yeah, there's maybe what a third of 287 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: the NFL doesn't have a legitimate starting quarterback. And with 288 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill specifically, I think he's one of those guys 289 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: where if you squint real hard, you feel really confident 290 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: about him because in Tennessee and I know that you're 291 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: saying they're not committing to him long term, and that's true. 292 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: For what they need and for what their system requires, 293 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: he's more than adequate. He He is a very solid 294 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: starting NFL quarterback. Where you get into a weird situation 295 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: is I think with all the other guys who you 296 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: listed in the definite yes category, you know besides, like 297 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: you know, Mahomes, Rogers worst clear Cup. But even guys 298 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: like you know, Derek carr Is, could I could I 299 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: put them somewhere else and they could still be successful. 300 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: I'm not saying their team is gonna win the Super Bowl, 301 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: but could they still be a good NFL quarterback? And 302 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: with Ryan Tannehill, I know that it's not a fair 303 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: comparison because in Miami he had your boy Adam Gates 304 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: calling the shots. But he was terrible in Miami, like, 305 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: he was not good at all. And it took him 306 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: going to Tennessee where they run the ball three hundred 307 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: four plus times this season. You know, they got the 308 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: arguably the best running back in football at the time, 309 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: they had one of the up and coming top young 310 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: wide receivers, and A. J. Brown was no longer there. 311 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: And you had the idea that, hey, if he's in 312 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: this kind of system where he doesn't need to put 313 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: the game on his right shoulder and try to win it, 314 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: where it's like, hey, we can lean on the running game. 315 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: The defense is pretty solid, and if you can just 316 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: be efficient, we're gonna win at a high clip. That's 317 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: what he was doing. And so now the A J. 318 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: Brown is gone. You've talked about this a lot Derrick 319 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: Henry is obviously slowing down. You know, anytime you get 320 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: to that level carries na straight in amount of time, 321 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: it's unreasonable to expect you to keep it going. This 322 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: could be one of those seasons where you find out 323 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: really quickly whether or not he's got the stuff. He 324 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: ain't that dude. So eleven of sixteen in the NFC 325 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: are starters. I'm sorry, a f C. The NFC is bleak. 326 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: This is bad. I'll go down the list of yes 327 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: is in the NFC and you'll agree. Dak Prescott, you 328 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: know they paid him. He's a franchise quarterback. He's good. 329 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers obviously, Kirk Cousins, obviously, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, 330 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 1: Matt Stafford just won the Super Bowl. And Kyler Murray 331 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: six of sixteen. That's it, this is why. And we 332 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: had it with football outsiders, We had Warren Sharp. If 333 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: you want to bet overs this coming season, the NFC 334 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: is where it's at. The NFC is much much weaker. 335 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 1: There's so many bottom feeders that the best teams are 336 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: gonna just beat up on folks. Because I'm just saying 337 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: six of sixteen, I don't know if that's overly generous. Rob, 338 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: the NFC's just look at this. I know some people 339 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: are like, Jail Hurts, Jake. Come on, they went to 340 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: the playoffs. Did you guys see Jalen Hurts against the Bucks. 341 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: He could not operate the offense. They made the playoffs 342 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 1: when he stopped throwing the football. Remember they started out 343 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: three and six. They stopped throwing. They said let's ride 344 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: the ground game and defense. Oh and it worked. Ain't 345 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: no way in hell anybody's telling me Carson Wentz, I 346 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: think this is his third team in three years. He 347 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: ain't that dude, Danny Dimes. We're just gonna toss him 348 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: out the window. Justin Fields, Jared goff Um, the Carolina guys. 349 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Baker car Donald, No, no Mariota, no, Jameis Winston. 350 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: We were on the fence with right right. I mean, 351 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. Rob. The key look good last year 352 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: in a small sample size, but the last full season 353 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: he was a starter. I think he led the league 354 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: in picks and pick sixes, and then they dumped him 355 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: and then got Brady and won the Super Bowl. And 356 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,360 Speaker 1: I just I don't know that. I can't confidently say 357 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: Winston like you don't know what you're getting with him? Right, 358 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: He's a grab bag. I just can't do you have 359 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: confidence him? I listened. The offensive line is good, the 360 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: receivers have been upgraded. But like, where do you where 361 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: you on Winston Rob? Yes or no? Uh? If I 362 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: have to say one, I'm gonna say no because I 363 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: think I think if if he was a legitimate starting quarterback, 364 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: then there would not have been a Tom Brady flirtation. 365 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: And in the first place in Tampa Bay, you know 366 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: that never would have happened. And if Jameis Wisden was 367 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: definitively starting in our quarterback, the Taysom Hill experience never 368 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: would happen, you know what I mean? Um, The only 369 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: one I think that I will push back on you 370 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: a little bit is justin fields, and we haven't and 371 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 1: you know, I think just the fields, we obviously have 372 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: not seen anything that makes you think as of right 373 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: now that he's definitely a starting quarterback. However, if you're 374 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: going to give a guy like Trevor Lawrence had been 375 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: at the benefit of the doubt, then justin field that 376 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: deserves the two Hold on, hold on, wait, wait, wait, wait? 377 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: What how many quarterbacks went before fields in the draft 378 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: didn't A lot of teams passed him, right, Yes, I 379 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,239 Speaker 1: mean Lawrence went one, Uh Trey Lance. We will talk 380 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: about when three Zach Wilson went to Uh mac Jones 381 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: was oh okay, Fields was a fourth quarterback off the 382 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: border eleven, So he did go before mac Jones. I 383 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: take that back, um, but continue, Well, the reason being 384 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: is that Chicago Bears offense was terrible, like they were 385 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: relying on a breakout season and what what this is 386 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: the third or fourth season for David Montgomery, Like you 387 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: don't that doesn't normally happen for running backs where they 388 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: just all of a sudden get good overnight. Allen Robinson 389 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: was hurt most of the season and indifferent the other half, 390 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: like he just wasn't he had no interest in being there. 391 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: That their offense was terrible as a reason why there's 392 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: a whole regime change in that in Chicago. So you 393 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: it's hard to say definitively yes or no on him, 394 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: yet I think he's more of a two be determined. 395 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 1: What's different between him and Trey Lance, though, is that 396 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, who I think is wildly mediocre. I know 397 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: we disagree on that. I think he's just he's like 398 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: the definitive middle of the road quarterback and with him, 399 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: they're a super Bowl caliber team. When Trey Lance was 400 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: in there, that team looked like it might win four 401 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: games last season, and those that very limited sample size 402 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 1: we saw Trey Lance. He did not look ready at all. 403 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: And you can't say, oh, well, he had a bad 404 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: offense around him. He didn't have weapons, and it's like 405 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: they definitely had more than enough. Deebo Sama just got paid. 406 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: George Kittill arguably the best tight end in football. They 407 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: have one of the best running games in the entire league. 408 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: Like there's there's no excuses as to why you shouldn't 409 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: be at least, you know, reasonably successful with that team 410 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: around you. And he looked terrible in the in those 411 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: two games he was in. It's weird you brought up 412 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: Lance and I was gonna say, if Garoppolo were the starter, 413 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: my list would have seven. Yes, is because I think 414 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: Garoppolo is a guy. Now is he great? Nobody's like 415 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: I would definitely over j Elan Her, definitely over Ryan Tannehill. Um, 416 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: I would take him over Mac Jones. Um. Yeah, I 417 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: think it's Trey Lance is the tough one, not fields, 418 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: because listen, Kyle Shanahan, all he does is kind of 419 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 1: put together good numbers on quarterbacks. I know he doesn't 420 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: win a lot in the regular season because of injuries, 421 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: but Kyle Shanahan is pretty damn good. And there's a 422 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: chance Trey Lance comes out and is making me look 423 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: like an ass clown here with a monster season. That's possible. 424 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: I know. By the way, Deebo Samuel finally they got 425 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: him happy three years, seventy three and a half million dollars. 426 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: I think he had fifty milk fifty eight guaranteed, so 427 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: he got paid. There was a brief moment there where 428 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: I thought the Jets could have got Deebo Samuel Um, 429 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: which would have been nice for Zack Wilson, but did 430 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: not materialize. Um and Lance has good weapons when you 431 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: when you're starting point is oh, we've got Deebo Samuel, 432 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: Brandon and I Yuka is a solid too, and George 433 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: Kittles the top three tight end in the league, maybe 434 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: top two, maybe number one. Uh, you're gonna have some 435 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: options to be successful. The problem, of course is the 436 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: offensive line. But I guess robbed to my larger point 437 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: eleven definite quarterbacks in the a f C six in 438 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: the NFC seventeen of thirty two, well, I mean, listen, 439 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: I didn't know there'd be Mathis early on the podcast, 440 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: but seventeen out of thirty two is what like fifty 441 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: half the league is missing a surefire starter, Listen, is 442 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: a reason that Jets haven't out a franchise quarterback and 443 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: forever it's really tough to find one. I I honestly 444 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: thought Mark Sanchez was gonna be the guy after two 445 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: years and four playoff wins. Now I work with him 446 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: at Fox and I'm sure guys from his draft class 447 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 1: are still playing. UM. But anyways, that that that's a 448 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: lot of NFL here. UM. I do really think bright 449 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: things are ahead for Zack Wilson. I just I don't 450 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: know what that schedule if he's gonna be able to 451 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: pull it off. And yes, Rob, I have to always 452 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: crowbar the Jets in um moving away from the NFL 453 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: real quick. I don't know, Rob, You're you're a producer 454 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: to the stars. The couple later today, I'm assuming you 455 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: guys opened with Paul Russell and Brussar does a long 456 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: soliloquy as to why Russell's the top ten player. I 457 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: don't know. Bill Russell had a great career, a great life, 458 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: He was a great human. I just don't know how 459 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: I work him into the podcast, Like what do we say, Like, 460 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not good with that sort of thing. Um, 461 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: you know what, this is what I'll say about Bill Russell. 462 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: Bill Russell. We throw the word legend around a lot 463 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: in sports. You know, pick whoever your favorite guy who's 464 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: either retired or recently retired, and you're like, oh, well 465 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: he was a legend. Well, Bill Russell is your favorite players, 466 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: like favorite player, Like he's that kind of guy in 467 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: the pantheon of NBA grades, not just be your your 468 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: favorite players favorite player. Yes, at least for me Steph Curry. 469 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: I did see he posted about Bill Russell on social media, 470 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: So I don't think that's his favorite place. But what 471 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: I'm saying, I need to ask him who his favorite players. 472 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: That's a great question, Like I want to know who. 473 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 1: I mean, he might just say his dad or something, 474 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: but he might say seth. Um. But what I'm saying 475 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: is like, it's it's one thing to have the winning 476 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: because you know, obviously that's part of the lore of 477 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: Bill Russell. You know, leven championships and you know the 478 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: winning as a player and as a coach. I think 479 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: one time he wants as a player coach, which is awesome. 480 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: Lebron can never do that. But what I now was 481 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: just playing in August. Onest. But but but the other 482 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: thing is I know that nowadays it's very popular, it's 483 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: very chic to be socially aware and to comment on 484 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: social issues. And that's fine, you know, like there's a 485 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,479 Speaker 1: lot of guys you can I encourage anyone who has 486 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: a platform it's something they really believe and go ahead 487 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: and speak up on it. The difference though between players now, 488 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 1: athletes now and what Bill Russell did is that Bill 489 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: Russell was in it. Like we we say how things 490 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: are bad now, we deal with a lot of issues. 491 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: Bill Russell came up during the height of the civil 492 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: rights movement, and there's a lot of books and articles 493 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: written about what he had to deal with. He go 494 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: on road trips, come back to his house being trashed, 495 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: people spray painting the N word inside of his bedroom, um, 496 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: people defecating on his bed, on his bed sheets. Because 497 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: he was a powerful, influential, successful black man at a 498 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 1: time when that was not something that the country was 499 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: ready for. And not only did he deal with that 500 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:32,239 Speaker 1: with grace and civility, but to the original point, he 501 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,959 Speaker 1: won at an incredible rate. And and there's a reason 502 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: why so many planning you brought up Crispy sord Um. 503 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: He he'll he'll chewhorn ways to get Steph Curry into 504 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: his top ten all time, you know, because that's the 505 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: big Steph Curry guy. And he'll he'll remove guys like 506 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 1: Will Chamberlain, even though we'll the NBA record books might 507 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: as well be called the Encyclopedia Will Chamberlain, you know, 508 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: just because he just dominated the record books. But he 509 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: can't he can't replace Bill Russell. It's easy for him 510 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: to take out Will chamber and his numbers, even though 511 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: by every statistical measure, you know, Jerry West says, Hey, 512 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: I think that Will Chamberlow was a better score, better defender, 513 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: better rebounder, probably better passer. But if I had to 514 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: pick one guy, I'm picking Bill Russell. And and that 515 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: that's just the the aura about him. And it's why, 516 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: even as a Laker fan, I can appreciate Bill Russell. 517 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: It's why I can't think of any person past or 518 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: present who has anything negative to say about him. And 519 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: I think that's why when I said, when we talked 520 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 1: about the word legend, that is a legend personified. Yeah, no, 521 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. I'm trying to look because you 522 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: got me down this darn rabbit hole into their matchups 523 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: in the finals, when of course it's like, oh, Russell 524 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: killed him, murdered him at dead it wasn't even close. 525 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: For instance, nineteen sixty four Will against Russell four one. 526 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 1: San Francisco Celtics get destroyed or Celts destroy them. Here's 527 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: the Celtics starting five, Sam Jones have let check Heinson 528 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: Russell and did somebody named Tom Sanders or maybe it 529 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: was Casey Jones. Casey Jones looks like he was together starter. 530 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: Here are the Warriors starters, Wilt Guy Rodgers, al Adol's, 531 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 1: Nate Thurmond, tom Mescherie Like you've never heard of them. 532 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 1: I've heard of Nate Thurmond because I played NBA two 533 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: k Um. I like, Will never had a chance because 534 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: he was outgunned in all those you know, like once 535 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: you break once you start to really break him down. 536 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: I mean, he Will was getting the Lakers there every year, 537 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: not the Lakers. He was getting teams to the finals. 538 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: He just couldn't take out. It was like one on five. 539 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,719 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, it was not fair. You look at 540 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: the size, and I guarantee you Rob, if the teams 541 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: were equal, would have aided. Lunch had to hit. And 542 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: that's not me saying Russell is nothing. Obviously, Russell was 543 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: a great all time player and the stuff he did 544 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: off the court actually mattered more. But I mean, the size, 545 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: the skill. Let me just think, I know, we gotta 546 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: wrap it up pretty soon. Let me stink this in. 547 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: You could make that same argument about Lebron James versus 548 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: Steph Curry, because I know everybody talks about while the 549 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: Warriors were a super team. It's like if you were 550 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: to go to a park here in Venice Beach, here 551 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: in southern California, and I have Lebron, Kevin Love, Kyrie Irving, 552 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: Steph Curry, Draymond Green, Clay Thompson. Do you do you 553 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: mean to tell me that the Calves aren't going to 554 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: have three of the first four guys picked time out. 555 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: Lebron had Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love and Draymond Green. 556 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: Was it was a nobody exactly. That's what I'm saying 557 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: is if you're you're just going based on talent and abilities, 558 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: you would say that the Cleveland Cavaliers had better players. 559 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,479 Speaker 1: But there's something to be said about what Steph Curry 560 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: and those Warriors could do as as a unit, as 561 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: a team, as a collective, and the the sun with 562 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: which all that revolves around with Steph Curry. And that's 563 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: the same argument that you'd have in favor of Bill 564 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: Russell versus Bilt Chamberlain. Well, then then if people want 565 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: to get granular, whoa what about the year Kyrie Irving 566 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: got hurt in Game one and Kevin Love was already out, 567 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: then it was Lebron against the world, and then um 568 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: getting Kyrie Irving left and you know, uh, it was 569 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: Lebron and j R. Smith and damnit robu. We don't 570 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: need I actually rather talk about the MLB trade deadline 571 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: than the NBA historical stuff. Can we quickly do MLB 572 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: trade deadline? Let's do it. Fox Sports Radio has the 573 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of 574 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: our shows at Fox sports radio dot com and within 575 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app. Search f s R to 576 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: listen live. Because I saw Otani could get moved, and 577 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: Rob I swear I've been to several Dodgers games, a 578 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: bunch of playoff games. When I heard Otani could get traded, 579 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, aren't they bailing early? What is this? 580 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: You're two your three of the Otani experience. And Rob's like, 581 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: what are you talking about? This is your five? And 582 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: I was like, holy cow, I had to look up 583 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: the stats. This is year five. One year was like 584 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: wiped out because of injury. Um But essentially, the Angels 585 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: find themselves way out of the mix for any place. 586 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: I mean, they they're down eleven in the wild card 587 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: chase with like fifty games or sixty games left. They've 588 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: got no chance. Otani is their best player worth a ton. 589 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: Mike Trout ain't taken him anywhere. Maybe it makes sense 590 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: to sell Otani high, get a boatload of prospects, and 591 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: retool for the next one. I mean, if you're trading Otany, 592 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: you might as well trade Trout too. Right now. That's 593 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: really gonna it's gonna be tough to sell tickets without 594 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: those two guys, I mean Trout. It feels like an angel. 595 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: Otani is kind of an import to the Angels. I 596 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: don't know, man, it seems tough, but I'm stunned that 597 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: this is the fifth year of Otani. Maybe a lot 598 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: of it has to do with COVID and it kind 599 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: of just like suprinted by or he won Rookie the year. 600 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: I mean, he wasn't playing close to a hundred sixty 601 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: two games, and last year was really the year he 602 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: popped playing almost every game. UM home runs their m 603 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: v P. You know it. Guy's a superstar and this year, 604 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: same deal. He's a juggernaut. I don't know, Rob, I'm 605 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: I'm actually thinking it's kind of smart to trade him. Absolutely, 606 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: we talked about this before we started recording. As great 607 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: as Otani is and you have guys like I think 608 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: it was J. D. Martinez said he's gonna win the 609 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: next five m v P s because you just can't 610 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: duplicate what he does both as a picture and as 611 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: a hitter. Even if he's having a quote unquote down 612 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: year this season, as as a hitter, he's better as 613 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: a picture than he was during his MVP season last year. 614 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: The problem, though, and you kind of alluded to this, 615 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: is that the Angels suck like there's you can't say, oh, 616 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: they're a middle link franchise. You know, they're their mediocre, No, 617 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: like they are bad. They are twenty plus games back 618 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: in the division of the Houston Astros. There are eleven 619 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: games back in the wild Card and there's now two 620 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: wild card teams Like that, They're just terrible. And and 621 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: to your point about trading Mike Trout, that actually might 622 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: sound like a good idea because I think you might 623 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: be able to get a more like it's more realistic 624 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: to trade Trout than O Tani at this stage in 625 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: their careers, given Trout's injuries. However, the biggest problem that 626 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: the Angels face is that both Mike Trout and Rendon, 627 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: who was there other big free agent acquisition, have no 628 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: trade clauses. So you are stuck either extending Showhyotani at 629 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: like forty to fifty million dollars a season, which is 630 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: gonna be his going market rate when he has free agency, 631 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: and paying a hundred and forty plus million dollars for 632 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: three guys to not make the playoffs, or you bite 633 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: the bullet and say this is gonna suck. I'm gonna 634 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: hate it, I'm gonna lose a lot of fans. Whatever, 635 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: fans that did have in Los Angeles. I don't know 636 00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,479 Speaker 1: if the trade Otani get multiple pitching process, because that's 637 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: where the biggest problems are. Pitching sucks and hope for 638 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: the best. Because what you're doing right now, it's kind 639 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: of like in the NBA, you know, with uh Brad 640 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,879 Speaker 1: beal or or Damian Lillard. It's like, yeah, we can 641 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: be thirty five win team and maybe sneak into the playoffs, 642 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: but you're not gonna win anything, and it behooves you 643 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: at this point two. Cash in your chips, trade your 644 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: big ticket item, get a bunch of smaller contracts prospects, 645 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 1: and hope in two or three years you can turn 646 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: things about where you're legitimate every season annual playoff team. 647 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 1: So this question just hit me as you were explaining that, 648 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: who do you think? And now you gotta put on 649 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: an Angel shirt at an Angel's hat, and you know, 650 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: pretend like Wally Joyner is your favorite player. Who would 651 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: you who would you be more sad about if they 652 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: were traded? If you're an Angels fan, Otani or Trout Trout? 653 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 1: Why because they grew up with Trout Like you said, 654 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: Otani has been well, you know, it's literally an port 655 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: because game him overseas, but Mike Trout came up through 656 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: their system. He's been their guy for a decade plus. 657 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 1: And to your point, Otani had a great rookie season. 658 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: He was okay a second year out for an entire season, 659 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: and then the All Star year. So you really only 660 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: have like three years of feeling attached to Otani and 661 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 1: everything that he's meant to your team. Mike Trout was 662 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: an m VP candidate for like seven straight years or 663 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: something stupid like that. Again, it's just tough for me 664 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: as as an outsider. It's easy for me to hear that, like, 665 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: he was an MVP candidate for seven years. Well, so 666 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: what that's in the past. We're looking to the future. 667 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: Like I know, I know that's a cold and callous 668 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: way of looking at it, but that's the reality. Again, 669 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: I'm not an Angel fan. I just just text my 670 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: buddy and this guy is like a real Angels fan. 671 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: Who when you know a bunch of dads are hanging 672 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: out rob someone will be like, um, you think we 673 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: could get them to put the Dodgers game on TV. 674 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: This guy is such an Angels Fantacy'll go, who's that? Like, 675 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: he just pretends like the Dodgers don't even exist. He's 676 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: really funny with that, and he's a huge Angels fan. 677 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:05,919 Speaker 1: So I texted him. I don't know if he'll reply, 678 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: but I thought he would say maybe Otani because right now, 679 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: in the moment, like Trout was yesterday's news, kind of 680 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: Otani is the now. I don't want to give up 681 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,879 Speaker 1: on them now. If you could get a package for Trout, 682 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: But like you said, no trade clause, that's rough the 683 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,720 Speaker 1: Sotos his situation, and Soto obviously the superstar with the Nationals. 684 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 1: You know, they win the World Series with him. Guy's 685 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 1: a beast. They offered him a billion dollars, not not 686 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: literally a billion, but right and he was like he 687 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: had no, no thanks, I'm good trade me and the 688 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: Nationals I believe of the worst record in baseball they 689 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: have by a country mile, the worst point differential, oh sorry, 690 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: run differential in the in Major League Baseball. They are 691 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,720 Speaker 1: a flaming dumpster fire, like it makes sense to trade Soto. 692 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 1: And I know Nationals fans are probably outrage, but again, 693 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: this is the NBA. You know this. This isn't even 694 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: a quarterback in the NFL. Like, no one guy is 695 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: going to carry you through a hundred sixty two games 696 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 1: and the playoffs. It really has to be an effort 697 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: of Man, you gotta have a staff, You gotta have 698 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: three or four core batters, you know, Like I just 699 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: I'm not as surprised about the Sotos situation, are you? No? 700 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: And you know what sucks? I feel I know a 701 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 1: couple of National fans um, which is odd, you know, 702 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: living in there, and I know a couple. But what 703 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: sucks is that if you go back, you know a 704 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 1: few years now, like they had those core starters. They 705 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: want a World Series, you know, but they had this 706 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: just like four years ago. Yeah, they had Bryce Harper, 707 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: you know, Max Scherzer, Trade Turner j wants. So I 708 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: think I'm not undertent sure, but I think Rendon was 709 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: the Nationals guy before you get to the Angels. And 710 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: so they had all the star players that we're talking about. 711 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,439 Speaker 1: They had the built up roster that that looked as 712 00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: good as or or on the come up, as as 713 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: much as any team in baseball. And to your point, 714 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: if if it the second you lose one of those 715 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,320 Speaker 1: guys or in this case, four of them, and you 716 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,320 Speaker 1: realize that as good as Juan Soto is and he 717 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: can be. You know, he's having a downyear this year. 718 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: It does. One guy is not gonna make a difference 719 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: for your team. So if I'm the Angels or in 720 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: this case, the Nationals, as much as it kind of 721 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: hurts to do this, I'm calling up the Dodgers right 722 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: now and saying, you have the best farm system, give 723 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: me four of your best players. Give me you know, 724 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 1: Cody Balinger, give me whoever, and I'm giving you one 725 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 1: of these supremely talented players. Mm hmm. A lot of 726 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,879 Speaker 1: Cody Bellinger jerseys every time I go to a Dodgers game. Um, 727 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: he's he's kind of a beloved Dodger. By the way, 728 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,359 Speaker 1: did you see the kid on the Dodgers Sunday first 729 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,800 Speaker 1: maasually get bat and he hit it out of the 730 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: park and of course his family was in the stadium 731 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 1: courting it. Yeah, it's a great that seemed like. Listen, 732 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: we always talk about living the dream and like the 733 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: stuff dreams are made of, that's legitimately it. You get 734 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: to the bigs nervous as hell, You step up to 735 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 1: the plate and you go yard and your first step 736 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 1: that that's pretty awesome. Jason, Before you wrap up, can 737 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 1: I tell you what happened my very first varsity football 738 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 1: game on the second play of the game. Were you 739 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,879 Speaker 1: like a freshman playing varsity? You know my first game 740 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: starting was as a junior. Okay, you know already you 741 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: want to know what happened? Wait? Wait, hold on? Where linebacker? Right? Yes? 742 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,880 Speaker 1: We like outside inside you're thumper. Are you like a 743 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 1: Brian or lacquer? No? Now you're like a sideline to 744 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: sideline Yeah, definitely not that tall. I would compare myself 745 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 1: more to like a Troy Paula Malu. But playing in 746 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: the box like that, That's where I was at. But 747 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 1: let let me let me tell you that may be 748 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 1: the funnies the Dodger. Let's envision this Troy Paula mak 749 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: rob okay, first game as a varsity starter. Have you 750 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: played any varsity before? I had gotten some special teams work, 751 00:39:58,239 --> 00:39:59,879 Speaker 1: but that was my first game as a starter under 752 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 1: the right lights, you know, Friday night lights. Right? So 753 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 1: this yes, so this guy with the Dodgers hit the 754 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: home run is first that bat? My second play from scrimmage, 755 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: I get decleaded on the crackback block and I'm looking 756 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,280 Speaker 1: straight into the stands like, oh my gosh, my head spinning. 757 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 1: That that was how different things went between me and 758 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,320 Speaker 1: that guy from the Dodgers. Wow, I was on my 759 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: back looking up into the sky and the lights and 760 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 1: everything like that. Did you see it coming? Did not 761 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 1: see it coming at all? And then and then the 762 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,359 Speaker 1: safety who was behind me was like, oh, yeah, that's 763 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: my bad. I should have called out crack. Oh yeah, 764 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,880 Speaker 1: how were you do? Do your parents remember it or now? Uh? 765 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 1: My dad did I know? But my my mom, you know, 766 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 1: I don't think she realized how embarrassing a play like 767 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: that is. She's like, oh, he went down, Like, I 768 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: don't think she realized. Did you pop up or were 769 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 1: you down for a minute? I stood up right away, 770 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 1: but like if anyone who plays football, just because you 771 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 1: stand up doesn't mean you're like there. So it was 772 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 1: definitely spinning for the next play and a half for 773 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 1: there was the very next play they run to the 774 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 1: right side. I'm kind of just watching it happen. I'm 775 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: not really pursuing early partaking. Oh Rob, I like these 776 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 1: football stories. You may need more of them. I'm sure 777 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 1: the audience will love those. All right, that's a longer 778 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 1: than We Thought Monday Podcast. We'll be back tomorrow. We'll 779 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: talk to you that