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Speaker 2: Thank you for having us, Cheryl, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and listen. Y'all know Susan Hendrick, She's been here

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Speaker 1: But you know An and Kevin have not been here yet.

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Speaker 1: But let me tell you both are incredible journalists. They

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Speaker 1: Have to see that day.

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Speaker 3: And I was, honestly, with Kevin's knowledge, I lean over

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Speaker 3: If I could that, I wrote to them laughter, ask

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Speaker 1: Love it.

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Speaker 2: Susan is like the best, and like literally you brought

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Speaker 2: You inspire me, and so we love Susan.

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Speaker 5: One of it was so wonderful to get to know Susan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even better, I feel like we feel close. We

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely did. And what's to me ironic about what's

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Speaker 3: Love you, Cheryl, and I am all right, honey, okay,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't overstate what I witnessed. As far as

432
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:27,239
Speaker 1: Abby and Libby's families, I've never been so shocked in

433
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: my life. When her aunt turns to me and says,

434
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 1: do you need a cushion? You and charleyne need a cushion,

435
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 1: and I'm like, are they seriously trying to take care

436
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 1: of us? Like that blew my mind on a level

437
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 1: of just grace and love and we're going to look

438
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 1: out for everybody here. I was not expecting that I

439
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: took the cushion now, because you know that bench it

440
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 1: was comfortable for about four hours, but past that it

441
00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: was not comfortable.

442
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 2: You know.

443
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 1: But that's who they are. And I think even the folks,

444
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: because there were a few people there that you know,

445
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: had something to say about the crime scene photos being

446
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: leaked or blaming Celtsey. I mean, obviously I don't subscribe

447
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: to either of that. I think that anybody that would

448
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: share the crime scene photographs, in my opinion, you are

449
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 1: sharing child porn and you should be arrested. That child

450
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 1: is fourteen and she is not clothed. There's no gray

451
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 1: area for me on that. There's not even a discussion.

452
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 1: I'm not going to debate you. That to me is

453
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: a hell I'm fine on by myself. And the other thing,

454
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: of course, is you know, when you publicly want to

455
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: blame a clear victim, that's not okay. And if you're

456
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: doing it to be sensational and you're doing it because

457
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,479
Speaker 1: you want to get clicks or likes or whatever it

458
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 1: is that puts you in a different category for me.

459
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: And again, and that's not something that I'm going to

460
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: add any energy to at all.

461
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 2: Agreed, And yeah, we're we're at a point where we've

462
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 2: seen that Libby's family in particular go through so much

463
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 2: over this case and be subjected to so many ludicrous,

464
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 2: frankly accusations that I kind of feel like we need

465
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 2: to clean house and true crime. We need to start

466
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 2: basically showing people the door when they're behaving that way,

467
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 2: because I just don't it doesn't add anything. I'm a

468
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 2: big free speech advocate whatever like that doesn't mean that

469
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: I think we should be sort of cozying up to

470
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 2: and supporting any creators who are kind of flirting with that,

471
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 2: because it's just like it's garbage, it's it's it doesn't

472
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 2: doesn't serve the truth, it doesn't serve anything except basically

473
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 2: people's bottom lines. And also a spirit of meanness that's

474
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 2: just totally not okay, especially in a case like this.

475
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 2: And so the fact that some people were taking what

476
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: obviously was already a very difficult time for family members

477
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 2: and taking that to attack those family members based on

478
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 2: nothing was just it was infuriating and frankly, at times

479
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 2: it made me really despair because I was like, you know,

480
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 2: we're trying to put out the truth. I know others

481
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 2: are here trying to put out the truth, but it

482
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 2: just felt at times it was sort of futile because

483
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 2: the sort of the misinformation machines were just cranking and

484
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 2: cranking and cranking.

485
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it does seem that way. Yeah, you know,

486
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: a lot of times those are going to be the

487
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 1: loudest group for whatever reason. You know, they're going to

488
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: post and repost and make all these comments, where sometimes

489
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 1: the people that are on the side of true justice,

490
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: they're not that loud all the time, but they'll show up.

491
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: If you keep, you know, going left, they will force

492
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: you at some point to go right, I believe, but

493
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 1: it just wasn't happening around me.

494
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 2: Also, people are cowards, so Cheryl like, if they're like,

495
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 2: if I'm mouthing off around Cheryl, She's probably gonna be like, no,

496
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: thank you. And people don't want it. Like people will

497
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 2: kind of quiet down when they're away from their keyboard.

498
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 2: I think that's been one key thing.

499
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that keyboard bravery is something that just makes

500
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: me laugh. And especially these folks. You know, y'all use

501
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: your real names. You are out there. You know people

502
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: can look you up and find you. These people they're

503
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: not using their real name, they're not using their real photograph,

504
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: and they're saying things that are so bizarre just to

505
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: shock you. And then you know, once you take them

506
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: to task, they will go away or they'll block you,

507
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: so you know they certainly aren't going to walk up

508
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: to you in person.

509
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 2: Yes, that is that's definitely been our experience that point.

510
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: I would sometimes I wish they would walk up to

511
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: me in person when there's a camera rolling. That would

512
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: be fantastic. You want to you want to step to

513
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: somebody and let's have a conversation, especially about Kelsey. Let's

514
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 1: freaking do it.

515
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 2: I would pay to see guy.

516
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 1: Look at the backup I have. I have the two

517
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,479
Speaker 1: of you, I've got Susan, I've got Barbara, I've got

518
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: all these people that they know the truth. They've been there,

519
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: they've walked it. They have to under stand it. So

520
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: even if you say, well let's look again at Ron Logan,

521
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: or let's look again, you know at Keegan Klein, fine,

522
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: I can respect that, yes, if you want to look

523
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: at them, because they were probably not perfect people. I

524
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: am with you one hundred percent, but you cannot tell

525
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: me the facts that y'all sat through day after day

526
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: after day. You're gonna ignore. One example that I did

527
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: see personally was the day that the expert for the

528
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: state spoke about the striations and the firearm and the

529
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: unspent cartridge matching. I thought she was unwavering. I thought

530
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: she addressed that jury beautifully, she answered questions beautifully, She

531
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: didn't need to refer to her notes. She was very positive.

532
00:27:55,560 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: She was just laser focused on she believed she was correct.

533
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: That resonated with me. Well that night, I kept seeing

534
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: a lot of these people. All they were reporting was

535
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: an alternate was excused. I'm like, wait a minute, you're

536
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: not going to talk about how well this witness did.

537
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: You're just gonna make it seem like somebody got dismissed for,

538
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, some negative reason, which wasn't true either. So

539
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: I did see that happen.

540
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: Cheryl. I'm so glad you said that, because at times

541
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: it felt like we were losing our minds because we'd

542
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: be seeing the same thing, and we'd be like, why

543
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: is no one talking about that? And then we'll like, well,

544
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: maybe we're over emphasizing it. But you saw it too,

545
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,239
Speaker 2: Like there were things like that where it was just

546
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 2: like I just think sometimes people don't understand what they're

547
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: seeing and then it like the other meriative kind of

548
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 2: takes over. But I agree with you. I thought Melissa

549
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: Oberg was an excellent.

550
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, she whooped there behind. I even turned to my

551
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: sister at one point and said, he needs to stop

552
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: asking her questions because and I want to ask Kevin this. Kevin,

553
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: there was a part where she was testifying and the

554
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: defense attorney he jumps up and says objection, and the

555
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: judgment she's your witness right now.

556
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 6: Like you got to let her finish, and he did

557
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 6: not want her to finish because he realized I've asked

558
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 6: her the wrong thing, Like she's even deeper now correct

559
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 6: in what she did.

560
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, that sort of thing was striking, and to be honest,

561
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 5: it happened more than once where the defense team would

562
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 5: make basic errors that the judge would call them on,

563
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 5: like objecting to a witness, answering a question you asked,

564
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 5: or trying to keep someone in an improper way. It

565
00:29:54,640 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 5: was really genuinely shocking because I really expected to see

566
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 5: a higher quality of legal work from these people.

567
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was shot by that. And you know some

568
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: of the things, if you've been around the courthouse enough,

569
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: I mean, this is my fortieth year. I mean so

570
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: I've seen plenty of trials, some really good, some really bad.

571
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: But you know, some of the stuff just kind of

572
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: seems like a stunt. And I don't think it was

573
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: lost on this jury. When you have Richard Allen slumping

574
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: down in his chair and they put the largest events

575
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: attorney next to him so he looks even more weak

576
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: and pitiful, they didn't buy it.

577
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: Yes, I think we saw that too. There seemed to

578
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 2: be a bit of a fatigue around the Allan is,

579
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 2: you know, an innocent victim of all this narrative, and

580
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: they tried to get to that by showing videos of

581
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: him having a hard time in prison. They tried to

582
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: get to that by some of the theatrics that you're

583
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: talking about, and even by having people testify that he

584
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: was a fragile egg who really couldn't get on in life.

585
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: And I think what the jury basically said, what the

586
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: verdict is Okay, but does that mean he couldn't have

587
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: killed two kids when the evidence is what it is

588
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: against him. And so we saw the logic win over

589
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:11,719
Speaker 2: some of the emotion.

590
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: I think, well, I'll tell you the thing that shot

591
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: the daylight that of me. I had never seen a

592
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: jury be able to ask questions, And as I sat there,

593
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, they're pretty sophisticated. Like they weren't asking what

594
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: does DNA stand forward they knew and as I watched

595
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: those questions come through, it was real clear to me

596
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: what side they were on.

597
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: I think we had a similar time. I think there

598
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: were a couple of times where I was like, well,

599
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: I think they're asking tough questions of the prosecution where

600
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: they're not just buying everything. They're saying they want follow up,

601
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: they want reassurance. But generally they seem to be focusing

602
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: more on the actual crime rather than all of the

603
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: noise around us.

604
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, the defense seemed to not want to actually talk

605
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 5: about the crime. The defense wanted to talk about everything else,

606
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 5: to try to like wave shiny keys in front of

607
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 5: the jury and say, oh, isn't it awful that Richard

608
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 5: Allen was treated allegedly badly after he was arrested, or

609
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 5: here's what a witness who was at the bridge an

610
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 5: hour after the crime, what they saw, and none of

611
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 5: this stuff is relevant. And I think the jury picked

612
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 5: up on that, and the jurors questions really showed we

613
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 5: want to talk about the crime. And I think it's

614
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 5: wonderful that Indiana does allow jurors to ask questions. And

615
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 5: I wanted to give the prosecution kudos because there was

616
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 5: one point where a juror asked a question and they

617
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 5: didn't have an answer for it, and so they went

618
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 5: and did subsequent investigation and then kind of answered the

619
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 5: jurors question like a day or two later.

620
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you see the kind of both sides trying to

621
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: play with what they're getting asked. At one point on

622
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: Bald when one of the defense attorneys actually adopted sort

623
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: of one juror would always start her questions if you know,

624
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: and then and continue with your question, he started saying that.

625
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: So you saw both sides sort of try to cater

626
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: to the jurors a little bit by incorporating some of that,

627
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: which I thought.

628
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: Was kind of neat.

629
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you mentioned that because our friends, the

630
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: prosecutors Bretton Alice. I know when we were talking about

631
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 2: jury questions, I think they had the idea that like

632
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: jurors were maybe jumping up from their seats and asking,

633
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: and like, we had this wild system in Indiana, and

634
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: it's a situation where they can, you know, as you saw,

635
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: they can write down the question that's given to a

636
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: judge and the parties and then they can all determine

637
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: if it's an appropriate question. So there are some checks

638
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: and balances to ensure that nothing inappropriate gets to ask.

639
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: And you know, it was funny because I love bretton Alice.

640
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: I adore everything about them, and when I first heard it,

641
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,479
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I had in my head, and

642
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: I was not about it. I thought, this is going

643
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: to be chaos, somebody crazy, He's going to jump up

644
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, ask crazy our balance

645
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: type questions and throw everything off. It was not like

646
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: that at all. And after watching it, I'm like, why

647
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: we doing this everywhere?

648
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Speaker 2: I think it encourages the jurors to pay attention because

649
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: I think when you're like listen, I when I'm hearing

650
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 2: a lecture on something and I have no idea what's

651
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: going on, and I have no ability to follow it.

652
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to be much more likely to

653
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 2: zone out at some point, whereas if I can say, Okay,

654
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 2: well tell me about this and then someone can come

655
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 2: back to me, then I'm like, okay, now I'm learning.

656
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 5: And also for joorneys on both sides, it's a really

657
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 5: useful tool because if the jurors are asking questions about

658
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 5: this point for that point, it tells you what is

659
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 5: not clear about your case. It's telling you what you

660
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 5: can do to sharpen your case and make your arguments

661
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 5: clearer to the jury. It's really quite useful.

662
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: Kevin, I thought that same thing, And you know, just

663
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: like you were saying on one thing that I thought

664
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: is you've got somebody that doesn't have to sit there

665
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: for a whole week to get an answer something. They

666
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: can get it answered and cleared up right now, so

667
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: that as they're kind of thinking through the night, and

668
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: then once they get to deliberation, I think it's going

669
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: to be a lot faster because they're not having to

670
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: go back and ask these nine questions they've had all week.

671
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you both this, what was

672
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: the best part, like something you really miss about the

673
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: experience and what is something you don't ever want to

674
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: do again.

675
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: The thing I miss is hanging out with Susan every day,

676
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 2: and also not just Susan, but like and she'll tell

677
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 2: you this too. There's a little community, right We mentioned

678
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: it at the top. There are people I felt like

679
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 2: I knew of but I got to know even better,

680
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 2: knew people that I met that I really respected. We

681
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: hung out a lot with Lauren from Hidden True Crime.

682
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: Her team is amazing. I love the work they did,

683
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 2: and they just came into it with just such open

684
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 2: minds and did an amazing job covering it. And so

685
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 2: there's experiences like that. There's YouTubers that we knew for

686
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 2: years and we got to spend more time with them.

687
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 2: So all of that, the social angle of it could

688
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 2: be very nice. When there were nice people around, and

689
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: it was it was certainly like we're all in this

690
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: together to a certain degree. And I will say I

691
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: missed Delfi I I kind of like we'd spend a

692
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 2: lot of time there, but spending so much time there

693
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 2: it really made me love the city even more. It

694
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: is a place with a lot of wonderful people. I

695
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: remember when we were waiting for the verdict We'd wander

696
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: around a lot and people would just pop out of

697
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: stores and say hi and give us a cookie, and

698
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: it was like, wow, this is so nice, Like I mean,

699
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 2: it was really sweet and and just that kind of

700
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: speaks to what Delphi is like. It's just generous, nice

701
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: normal people and a nice, normal town.

702
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 7: And it a horrible thing happened there, but seeing that,

703
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 7: seeing Libby's family sort of feed the public, seeing all

704
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 7: of that was lovely.

705
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: Kevin, do you want to do your favorite part? And

706
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 2: then we can get really negative.

707
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: My favorite.

708
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 5: My favorite party is very similar to Anya's. The sense

709
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 5: of community was something really remarkable, and the sense of

710
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 5: everybody being available and trying to help each other. I'm

711
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 5: someone we've talked about Amazon, especially Susan was talking about Amazon.

712
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 5: We have an Alexa and so sometimes during the day,

713
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 5: you know, you say, oh, Alexa, what's the temperature? Or Alexa,

714
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 5: what's this or what's that? And during this trial you

715
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 5: had like human versions of Alexa, because if, oh, when

716
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 5: was this particular motion filed? You could just say the

717
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 5: question out loud and someone standing nearby would be able

718
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 5: to give you the answer. And it was just having

719
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 5: the resource that is all of these people's collective knowledge

720
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 5: about this case was really one.

721
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: I can't agree more, and I will speak for Susan

722
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 1: only because she and I talked about this, and one

723
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: thing she said to me was, to her, it was

724
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 1: almost like camp that all these strangers kind of came together.

725
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: Maybe some people you knew from school, but for the

726
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: most part you didn't know everybody, and you just become

727
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: fast friends because you're in this thing together. And that's

728
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: the way she, you know, equated it that it was

729
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: like summer camp.

730
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Kevin, what's your negative things? You can start off

731
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: and then I'll get into mind and Kevin.

732
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,479
Speaker 1: Before you say anything, keep in mind, she said, let's

733
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: get real negative. It's going to be.

734
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: It's going to be going to be so it's going

735
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 2: to drag the whole mood of.

736
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 5: This whole thingccount, Well, I mean, I'm basic. I like

737
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 5: to eat, I like to have my lunch, I like

738
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 5: to have my breakfast. And if you left the court

739
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 5: for lunch, you weren't going to get back in for

740
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 5: the afternoon session. And also, if you eat or drink

741
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 5: too much and you have to use the restroom later,

742
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 5: you're not gonna be able to get back in so

743
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 5: I really missed eating, I missed doing things other than

744
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 5: work and sleeping. That's basically all we did. I miss

745
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 5: having a life outside of work.

746
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 2: I think that was bad for me. I'd say my

747
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 2: two worst things are tied. Maybe one edge is the

748
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: other act slightly. I think a lot of people who

749
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: were there felt the same way as I did. I

750
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: don't think I was alone in this, but the pressure

751
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: to get accurate information out was really immense because I

752
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: felt that there was a lot of misinformation coming out.

753
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 2: Some of that was bad actors, and then in other

754
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: cases it was actually just accidental where people wires would

755
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: get crossed, and you know, having been there, Cheryl, you

756
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: can see how that happens. It doesn't like somebody can say, oh,

757
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: they said that, and then like you know, they tell

758
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 2: a colleague and then that's the news story. And it's like,

759
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 2: no one is a bad journalist in that situation. No

760
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: one is a bad person. It's just a mistake. But

761
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: you know, kind of seeing how that can happen, it

762
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 2: really was quite stressful because we did not want to

763
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: be responsible for that. And then the thing that was

764
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: worse for me was, I guess seeing what happened to

765
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 2: those girls. I wish I could unsee some of the

766
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 2: images and evidence that.

767
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: We all were shown. And I think that you know,

768
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: that's something that's going to stay with you. We have

769
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: a term in criminal justice that we use. You can't

770
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: unring a bell, and that's true. That bell has rung

771
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: for you, Anna, and that's it. You aren't going to

772
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: be able to forget it. It's going to be a

773
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: part of you. I also believe that that's the kind

774
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: of thing that will make you a better journalist. I'm

775
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: one of those people when the powers that be say, oh,

776
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: you can't show these particular images because it'll inflame the jury,

777
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: I believe they should be inflamed. Murder is ugly, it

778
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: is horrible, It is horrific. You cannot get it unless

779
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: you're shown the truth. And I say, show it, just

780
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: like the videos of Richard Allen. Show them. It's not

781
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: supposed to be pleasant. He ain't at club med, he's

782
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 1: in prison. It's supposed to be a deterrent. Of course,

783
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: he's not doing great there. Nobody would be doing great there.

784
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: That's why you ain't supposed to go there. But to me,

785
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: by you even saying, hey, I'm going to go here

786
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: and I'm going to subject myself to this knowing that

787
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: it's going to affect me. I even have more respect

788
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: for you.

789
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 2: And I agree with you. I think I think we

790
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 2: have to bear witness to this. It's it's as you said,

791
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: it's it's not nice, it's not pretty, it's not it's

792
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: it's awful. It's the worst thing you can imagine. And

793
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 2: that's what the photos show. And I think, in my opinion,

794
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: and I don't this is speculation. This isn't based on anything,

795
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: because obviously no one's heard from the jury aside from

796
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: their verdict. But I imagine that for the jury, those photos

797
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: may have underscored who the real victims in this case were,

798
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: and that's Abby and Libby, and what they went through

799
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: was horrifying. Their last moments were horrifying, and kind of

800
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 2: all everything else sort of was a distraction.

801
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: And Kevin, what do you think about inflaming the jury?

802
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: Do you think that I'm right or that most judges

803
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: are right?

804
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 5: I think you're right. I don't think you can ask

805
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 5: a juror to weigh in with a judgment about a

806
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 5: crime if they don't have the tools to understand what

807
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 5: exactly that crime is. They need to see it, they

808
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 5: need to understand what happened, otherwise their decision is going

809
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 5: to be uninformed. And it is important. It's not like

810
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 5: on television. It's awful, it's a thing to see, but

811
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 5: we do need to look and understand that this is

812
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 5: what's happening to some people in this country.

813
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: Well stated. And I will say just this last thing.

814
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: When you were talking Anna about you don't want to

815
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: have wrong information, you don't want to put something out

816
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 1: that it's not correct. I had such a laughing attack

817
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: when they were talking about you know what. Richard Allen

818
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 1: said that he saw half the people online were saying

819
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 1: white van, the other half were saying white man. I thought,

820
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: there you go. You hear what you hear, and you

821
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: want to put it out so quick that sometimes you know,

822
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: may not be perfect. But y'all had a job that

823
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: was unbelievable. Y'all all, and I mean every one of you,

824
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: even the people that I don't agree with, And there

825
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: was some people there that we are never going to

826
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: see this the same way. And I will openly tell you.

827
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: People say, well, you're biased. Absolutely I am biased. I

828
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: don't use the word allegedly unless somebody reminds me to

829
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: say it, because I'm in a world where if I'm

830
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent sure, I'm not going to go forward,

831
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: so allegedly doesn't enter my mind most of the time,

832
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 1: if that makes sense to you. I think this person

833
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 1: did it based on the evidence that I have gathered

834
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: and what I know did occur, and how I can

835
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: put them there, and et cetera. So when there's other

836
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: people that see Richard Allen as the victim and there's

837
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: no way that he could have done it, we are

838
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: on such polar opposites on this thing. Again, there's no

839
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: reason to debate. I appreciate the job they're trying to

840
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: do because there's as just as impossible as what I

841
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: watched all of y'all do. But I just again appreciate

842
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: then what you brought. It was so unique and it

843
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: was at a level that we needed. And Anna, I

844
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: appreciate the way you came in with your unique skill

845
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: set to say, yes, I'm a journalist, but I've got

846
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: an expert that I can use and vice versa. And

847
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: I just thought y'all did a beautiful job. And again,

848
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: it was so nice to finally be able to meet

849
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: y'all in person.

850
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: We were so gratified to meet you in person too,

851
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: Cheryl and your sister, and it was just it was

852
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 2: like a really nice bright spot for us, and you

853
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: guys were so nice. And yeah, I feel very blessed

854
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 2: to work with Kevin because he makes me sound smart.

855
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: Because reporters will come up and be like, what's emotion

856
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: in lemon in I'll be able to explain it, and

857
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: I only know it because Kevin's explained it to me.

858
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: No, that's beautiful, but that's how it ought to be,

859
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, like Joe Scott Morgan always says, rise and

860
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: tides lift all boats exactly. Well, I appreciate you, and

861
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: this will not be the last time y'all join us.

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Speaker 2: We would love that. We would be honored to be back.

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Speaker 2: We're huge fans and again, it was a real treat

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Speaker 2: to get to meet you guys.

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Speaker 1: All right, y'all, I'm going to end Zone seven the

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Speaker 1: way that I always do with a quote. Coming together

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Speaker 1: is a beginning, Staying together is a process. Working together

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Speaker 1: is success. Henry Ford, I'm Cheryl McCollum, and this is

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Speaker 1: Zone seven.