Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Mick Shot
Speaker 1: screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys app Some of us are ready for another
Speaker 1: edition of mix Shots. I'm not sure that Mickey is. Hey, look,
Speaker 1: Dave Hellman looks very relaxed and ready for another edition
Speaker 1: of mix Shots. How you doing, Dave Hellman? I'm doing wonderful,
Speaker 1: bill Um. You know, not to make light of the situation,
Speaker 1: but I think the Cowboys are being cautious with the
Speaker 1: COVID protocols, which hasn't left a whole lot of work
Speaker 1: for me to do. So I'm chilling and happy to
Speaker 1: talk some cowboys with y'all. All right, very good. So
Speaker 1: you survived the first your first appearance on mix Shots
Speaker 1: yesterday without incident. It did, Yeah, so we can make
Speaker 1: it through another forty five minutes. HECMA unable to be
Speaker 1: here today, so we will press on for the next
Speaker 1: forty five minutes. And Mickey, you wouldn't believe how many
Speaker 1: notes he has in front of him. This reminds me
Speaker 1: I used to hear stories when Norma Hitskis used to
Speaker 1: do Rangers baseball games. Tom Grieve told me that they
Speaker 1: would have a three man booth. It would be Mark Holtz,
Speaker 1: Tom Grieve, and Norma Hitzkis and a space about four
Speaker 1: feet wide, and Hitskis would take up about three feet
Speaker 1: of the four feet with all his notes just all
Speaker 1: taped down. That's what Mickey has right now. I was
Speaker 1: prepared for yesterday because we didn't think you were going
Speaker 1: to be with us, so I was going to have
Speaker 1: to run the show, and I wanted to make sure
Speaker 1: I had all my son, you can run this show.
Speaker 1: How about we do that. You're good to go, all right?
Speaker 1: But I had my notes ready in case we ran
Speaker 1: out of things to talk about, as if we would
Speaker 1: run out of things to talk about, right, especially gonna
Speaker 1: say there's no chance of that. Come on right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right in, Dave. But since we last talked, you
Speaker 1: don't you not only don't have a Cowboys game to
Speaker 1: watch this weekend, you don't have an LSU game to
Speaker 1: watch either, LSU Alabama. Uh, it looks like I canceled
Speaker 1: for the whole season now, which is a good year
Speaker 1: for LSU. If if you're not gonna play Alabama one year,
Speaker 1: this would be the year not to play them, right,
Speaker 1: I never in my life thought that I would be
Speaker 1: excited that LSU's not gonna play football. But yeah, my
Speaker 1: Saturday is a lot more free, and I'm not mad
Speaker 1: about it because that was probably gonna be ugly. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I'll go find a farmer's market
Speaker 1: or a pumpkin patch. I don't I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know what people do when there's no foot ball on,
Speaker 1: but I guess I gotta figure it out. That's right,
Speaker 1: all right? So how do you fee right behind them too?
Speaker 1: Because they canceled the Missouri Georgia game? Did they really? Yes, well,
Speaker 1: the SEC just canceled the whole weekend. Yeah, it sounds
Speaker 1: basically yeah, Z and M still playing. No, they're yeah,
Speaker 1: they got canceled too. They know they do have a
Speaker 1: common open date where they can make it up December twelfth,
Speaker 1: because Georgia can't do it. I think there's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what they're worried about right now. But LSU doesn't
Speaker 1: have to worry about the SEC championship game, so it's okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the uh, the big twelve already, they basically had
Speaker 1: an open date setting their schedule of this week because
Speaker 1: Texas didn't playing OU and OSU play next week Bedlam,
Speaker 1: so they're not playing this week. So so anyway, the
Speaker 1: point of all this is what don't we do? What
Speaker 1: are we going to do for football this week? Which
Speaker 1: brings me to my first question out of the shoot
Speaker 1: to both of you, do you, as a as a
Speaker 1: member of the media or as a fan, do you
Speaker 1: like the byeway? No? I don't be guys. Here's the
Speaker 1: deal with the bye week. I think everybody. I think
Speaker 1: there's this perception out there since the team is off,
Speaker 1: we're off. We still got to do our jo. I
Speaker 1: find myself doing more work during the bye week because
Speaker 1: you don't have any subjects with you, right, that's right,
Speaker 1: well in your crammy. We still have to do all
Speaker 1: the shows, but we're doing it in four days time
Speaker 1: instead of six days times. People, So at some point
Speaker 1: there will be a light at the end of this tunnel.
Speaker 1: But more than that, and I think from a fans' perspective,
Speaker 1: all right, I want my Cowboys game on Sunday, okay,
Speaker 1: And I understand if you look down the schedule here. Okay,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are off this week. They play on a
Speaker 1: Sunday next week at Minnesota, and then okay, yeah, there
Speaker 1: is a Thanksgiving Day game, and there is a Thursday
Speaker 1: night game against Baltimore. But three out of the next
Speaker 1: four Sundays the Cowboys don't have a game, And it's
Speaker 1: not like we're traveling the games, right, yep. I think
Speaker 1: y'all are absolutely and I think y'all are crazy. Are
Speaker 1: you kidding me? The bye week is great. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a fair point relax for the first time since
Speaker 1: August fifth, I'm gonna try my best to do nothing.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a little bit different this year because
Speaker 1: you're not traveling. You know, training camp was nowhere near
Speaker 1: as intense this year as it is in a regular year.
Speaker 1: But by the time you get to the bye week,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to just like lie down on my couch
Speaker 1: for like three days. Bill, you make a great point.
Speaker 1: You kind of have to cram a lot of work
Speaker 1: into the early part of the week. I don't know
Speaker 1: about y'all, but when I get done with this show,
Speaker 1: I got a couple of things left to right and
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna try my best to like turn my
Speaker 1: phone off on Thursday and Friday. And as far as
Speaker 1: being a fan, I feel like people people lose sight
Speaker 1: of this. But not playing is great because you can't
Speaker 1: lose when you don't play, so your week's stress free,
Speaker 1: especially when you're don't have to worry about losing a
Speaker 1: ball game. I can, you know, if I want to
Speaker 1: spend Sunday making you know, I can spend all day
Speaker 1: making a pot of gumbo if I want to. I
Speaker 1: could go out and visit people I don't. I can
Speaker 1: do whatever I want because I don't have to spend
Speaker 1: eight hours at at and T Stadium. I am firmly
Speaker 1: in favor of it. I'm sorry that y'all are workaholics,
Speaker 1: but I am not. So you'd be in favor of
Speaker 1: going back to having two bye weeks in a season, Oh,
Speaker 1: sign me up? Yeah, I mean, and if they're gonna
Speaker 1: if they're gonna increase the schedule, you know, if they're
Speaker 1: gonna wind up playing eighteen games, I would guess we'll
Speaker 1: see that. And yeah, I mean, so you talk about
Speaker 1: you know again, Let's let's consider a regular year. You
Speaker 1: report to training camp on like July eighteenth, and then
Speaker 1: the regular season's gonna run until mid January. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: gonna need to bye weeks for the players, but for
Speaker 1: me too. For sure. It just seems like it's a
Speaker 1: week of work without a game, and to me, the
Speaker 1: bonure payoff, the bonus of what we do is we
Speaker 1: get to go cover a game, we get to go
Speaker 1: to a game and watch a game. Now you work
Speaker 1: and there's no bonus at the end. Okay, Yeah, what
Speaker 1: is the most important three hours, three and a half
Speaker 1: hours of your week? Yeah? The game. It's the game, right,
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah. So that's a funny thing. You said
Speaker 1: that because my college roommate would get so upset when
Speaker 1: he was trying to write in a press box and
Speaker 1: it was so loud and people after the game, and
Speaker 1: he would scream, these are the three hours that are
Speaker 1: most important to me in my career. Shut the hell up.
Speaker 1: That's funny. That's like Dave, we were talking about. We
Speaker 1: were talking about the interception that Gilbert threw um in
Speaker 1: the game on Sunday, and Everson was talking about how
Speaker 1: he was yelling at the TV and his wife didn't
Speaker 1: understand why he was yelling, and I did. He was
Speaker 1: on his cow and so on, Sunday, I'm watching the
Speaker 1: game from home, and I'm on my couch watching the game,
Speaker 1: and I'm logging every play, so I'm working as I'm
Speaker 1: in I'm yelling at the TV too. At about that
Speaker 1: time that that play happened, my sister in law was
Speaker 1: in town from out of town. I hadn't seen her yet.
Speaker 1: She and my wife and my nephew. They walk into
Speaker 1: the house and I'm totally ignoring them because I'm so
Speaker 1: caught up into this game. And I just explained to him,
Speaker 1: this is the most important three hours of my week.
Speaker 1: I will say hello to you after this game was over.
Speaker 1: They went out on the back porch. So, y'all are
Speaker 1: y'all are intense? Man, y'all are not playing games because
Speaker 1: I've never I've never been that guy. Like I kind
Speaker 1: of I work better in a noisy, busy environment. I
Speaker 1: kind of like to have people talking and maybe not
Speaker 1: distracting me, but it just kind of, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like that background noise kind of helps me focus on
Speaker 1: what I need to do. However, I think boys game
Speaker 1: is more like work. Don't try to don't try to
Speaker 1: talk to me during an LSU game. I will say
Speaker 1: that that's that's a whole different person than what I
Speaker 1: am on Sundays, So I guess I identify with that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all I know is I remember the two bye weeks.
Speaker 1: That was what was it two seasons maybe like in
Speaker 1: the early nineties. It was like ninety maybe, okay, eighty
Speaker 1: nine somewhere now, I think it was ninety nine one
Speaker 1: something like that. And you know where you're working for
Speaker 1: the newspaper. The newspaper doesn't take a bye, right, you
Speaker 1: gotta have something in there and people, yeah, absolutely, all
Speaker 1: right before we get uh oh, I just let I
Speaker 1: hear everything y'all are saying. And obviously we do this
Speaker 1: job because we love it. I love covering the games,
Speaker 1: but covering a game is a ten hour experience, and
Speaker 1: I'm a okay not you know, getting a week where
Speaker 1: I don't have to do that, and I don't have
Speaker 1: to leave my apartment if I don't want too. I
Speaker 1: can channel surf during the other NFL games and see
Speaker 1: what's going on there. I'm I am just fine hanging
Speaker 1: out on my couch this weekend. I get it ten hours.
Speaker 1: I'm going to fire up the smoker on Saturday. All right, Uh,
Speaker 1: there you go, all right. The NFL was yesterday, today's Wednesday,
Speaker 1: So they did it yesterday. The decision if there is
Speaker 1: a weekend or games lost where they cannot be made
Speaker 1: up to have the expanded playoff field sixteen team playoff field.
Speaker 1: What are you your thoughts on that. It sounds like
Speaker 1: they were very serious about doing it. I think it
Speaker 1: has to get okayed by the nfl PA. But yeah,
Speaker 1: more the merrier, let's go it. It sort of worked
Speaker 1: so the couples more closer to the playoffs, right yutely,
Speaker 1: because yeah, but as I pointed out yesterday, there's fifteen
Speaker 1: teams in this league right now have no more than
Speaker 1: three wins, right, so you know there could be a
Speaker 1: fight to the finish to get to six. I hate
Speaker 1: to be a cynic. I hate to be a cynic.
Speaker 1: But do we think it really affects the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: because I think, yeah, it's still they either got to
Speaker 1: win the East. Yeah, they got to win the East.
Speaker 1: It's it's the East or bust. Well, and yeah, there's
Speaker 1: not a wild card coming out of the East. I
Speaker 1: can't remember where I say this stuff, And Dave you
Speaker 1: stopped me if I said it yesterday after Bill left
Speaker 1: or whatever. But the Cowboys only have one more game
Speaker 1: against the team with a winning record Baltimore. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: So you're saying teams of their own six and one
Speaker 1: as a possibility. I didn't say they're going to win
Speaker 1: every one of them because they putting beat Washington, right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say they've gotten their butts kicked by a
Speaker 1: few teams of their own ELK too, So yeah, but
Speaker 1: at least some of them. I mean Washington's really did
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where Arizona is. I lost track to them.
Speaker 1: They're winning and then no, what Arizona's like five and three?
Speaker 1: I really didn't get their butts kicked by Philadelphia until
Speaker 1: they were able to return the fumble that wasn't that
Speaker 1: was recovered before they recovered it and ran for a touchdown?
Speaker 1: Or am I getting my games mixed? Right? So now
Speaker 1: you're right. So you're right, and Philadelphia has one more
Speaker 1: win than the Cowboys, that's right. It's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, your your logic is sound, but I gotta
Speaker 1: see a little bit more to believe it, because we
Speaker 1: got to see someone, you know, Yeah, this is a
Speaker 1: two and seven team. Yeah, you're right, all right? Mickey,
Speaker 1: what's on how many legal pads you have in front
Speaker 1: of you? There? So I just got they all looked
Speaker 1: like but I didn't put it. So I had to
Speaker 1: give me one thing. Give us, give us one topic.
Speaker 1: We can go, take us to break. We can go
Speaker 1: to break on this. How about this? So it's Veterans Day? Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go, good one? All right? How about this?
Speaker 1: This is a letter dated April seventeenth of nineteen forty
Speaker 1: five the Army Department. We sent this letter to you
Speaker 1: to my dad's mother, okay, all right, And they had
Speaker 1: sent a previous letter to her when he was missing
Speaker 1: in action. Okay, So she responded wanting more information. So
Speaker 1: it happened in at the Battle of the Bulge, which
Speaker 1: I think was like the end of December. It was
Speaker 1: around right after Christmas, because I remember seeing when I
Speaker 1: saw the movie there was snow on the ground or whatever.
Speaker 1: So he had been missing. And so she sends a
Speaker 1: letter back to the Military Department whatever it is, and
Speaker 1: on April seventeenth, she gets this letter back. Dear Missus Spagnola,
Speaker 1: your letter inquiring about your son Dominic has been referred
Speaker 1: to this office for disposition. It has been carefully read,
Speaker 1: and we will keep We will attempt to answer all
Speaker 1: your questions. Your son Dominic was missing in action in
Speaker 1: Germany on the twenty first January nineteen forty five. During
Speaker 1: an attack on a fortified position. On twenty one January
Speaker 1: nineteen forty five, a number of men in the battalion
Speaker 1: were moving toward a German town, this being their objective
Speaker 1: company being met enemy opposition and was cut off from
Speaker 1: their other supporting units, but it was impossible to reach them,
Speaker 1: although communication by radio was maintained for a period of
Speaker 1: forty eight hours. It is assumed that the men, including
Speaker 1: your son, were taken prisoner, but as yet no word
Speaker 1: has been received by this headquarter. How would you like
Speaker 1: to be a parent of a child during World War two?
Speaker 1: And that's the letter you get. They have no idea
Speaker 1: where they're at. He had been a prisoner of war
Speaker 1: from January to a week after this letter arrived. He
Speaker 1: was liberated a week later, and they had no idea
Speaker 1: where they were. Wow. So my sister dug this out
Speaker 1: and sent it to me, and I've kind of hung
Speaker 1: onto it and I said what am I going to
Speaker 1: do with this? Right? And I was like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: Veterans Day. Maybe because I heard some people reading letters
Speaker 1: today about their fathers or what they sent back home
Speaker 1: or their grandfathers. Probably mostly. And yeah, a week later,
Speaker 1: he was liberated after four months in being moved from
Speaker 1: prison camp to prison camp because they had to keep
Speaker 1: him on the move because the Germans were retreating so
Speaker 1: and they would they would basically blindfold him and put
Speaker 1: them in the railroad cars so no one knew where
Speaker 1: they were going, so they couldn't like have any espionage
Speaker 1: and let somebody know where they were. So yeah, quite
Speaker 1: an experience. But he was liberated, got back too. I
Speaker 1: think they got back to England and at a whole
Speaker 1: ninety five pounds. Wow. They didn't feed them. They were
Speaker 1: eating potatoes. Probably I saw it when he was his
Speaker 1: induction papers. He was like one hundred and forty, So, yeah,
Speaker 1: how about that man. They were eating potato skins before
Speaker 1: potato skins were appetizers because they had to peel the
Speaker 1: potatoes in the prison camps for the Germans that they
Speaker 1: would cook the potatoes and leave them with the skins.
Speaker 1: So we're sitting here a nice dose of perspective. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're sitting there talking to complaining about the cowboy gay buds. Yeah, yeah, thanks, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I said, that's something that's a hell of a perspective.
Speaker 1: I appreciated they had no game whatsoever. Right, good gracious
Speaker 1: wow it wanted answered P, I mean for your your grandmother,
Speaker 1: and answered. All I got to say is I keep
Speaker 1: telling people I'm like the miracle baby that he survived
Speaker 1: that um and and and I also had a purple
Speaker 1: heart too. He got wounded at one point. At one point.
Speaker 1: And to answer your question of when the Battle of
Speaker 1: the Bulge occurred, December sixteenth, nineteen forty four, is when
Speaker 1: the counter offensive began and ended January twenty fifth, nineteen
Speaker 1: forty five. Yeah, like one week in two days, and
Speaker 1: it was like the turning point of World War two,
Speaker 1: at least in the European. Uh continent. Well, I think
Speaker 1: you found good use yes for mix shots there a
Speaker 1: salute to our salute to our veterans. Wow uh As
Speaker 1: Dave said that that real puts it in perspective, and
Speaker 1: we would not be able to do any of what
Speaker 1: we're doing right now if not for all those veterans
Speaker 1: out there. So a salute to all of you. And
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Speaker 1: year's Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders making the team is the most
Speaker 1: competitive yet when season fifteen kicks off November twenty fourth
Speaker 1: at nine o'clock Central Time on c MT. Do you
Speaker 1: know the reason for that, Mickey? The reason that the
Speaker 1: reason that the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders making the team is
Speaker 1: the most competitive yet because it was virtual? Were you
Speaker 1: judging this year? No? I did not report. My world
Speaker 1: was supposed to have been gone at that time. So
Speaker 1: I told them I couldn't do it, and then things
Speaker 1: changed because they asked me in January. Right, It's like,
Speaker 1: now that weekend is already booked when they were going
Speaker 1: to have them here? Or was it? Or was what?
Speaker 1: Or was it I'm saying? Or was it? Because everybody's
Speaker 1: plans got thrown out the window. Yeah, so it turned
Speaker 1: out it wasn't booked. It wasn't I was booked at
Speaker 1: eight T and T. No, my trip was booked to
Speaker 1: New Orleans. Yeah, did it happened though, No, it did
Speaker 1: not happen. All right, So that's November twenty fourth, nine
Speaker 1: o'clock Central time on c MT. Let's see today's the eleventh.
Speaker 1: So that's a Tuesday, November twenty fourth. I was just
Speaker 1: trying to figure out. I've got family coming into town
Speaker 1: on that Tuesday, and so now I know what we
Speaker 1: will be watching on Tuesday night Central Time. People watched
Speaker 1: that stuff. Yeah, I'll use it like an eight week
Speaker 1: series or whatever. I was at a Star game, that's
Speaker 1: the premiere. I was at a Stars game one night.
Speaker 1: I was walking down towards my seat and this lady
Speaker 1: looked at me and she goes, I know who you are?
Speaker 1: And I go, who am I? She goes, You're that
Speaker 1: judge on the Cheerleader show. That's like, I got to
Speaker 1: be known for something, right, Dave you SEC guy Verne
Speaker 1: Lundquist the long time voice of the SEC until this,
Speaker 1: uh retirement from that. All right, the famous story you
Speaker 1: may have heard, the famous story that Verne used to say,
Speaker 1: going to a game in college station and getting and
Speaker 1: getting gas and someone comes up to him and says,
Speaker 1: I know you. I know you. You're the bowling for
Speaker 1: dollars guy. That's right. Yeah. I actually met him at
Speaker 1: the I met him at the local Emmy Award show
Speaker 1: like two years ago. I felt bad because I told
Speaker 1: him he was the voice of my childhood. And I
Speaker 1: don't think he appreciated somebody telling him that he was
Speaker 1: that old. It's one thing, Dad, it's one thing for
Speaker 1: you to tell him that he's the voice of your childhood.
Speaker 1: I would tell him the same thing, he was the
Speaker 1: voice of my childhood too. I would probably really offend
Speaker 1: That would really offend him. But yeah, and uh, channel
Speaker 1: light back long long time ago before I got here,
Speaker 1: he was doing no man, he was the time I
Speaker 1: got here. He was he was the greatest, but all
Speaker 1: one of the things that made and it's not like
Speaker 1: a eulogees doing, but one of the things that made
Speaker 1: Verne so great. And I loved him obviously calling Cowboys
Speaker 1: games as well. But he was so relaxed on the air,
Speaker 1: and you know, and he would probably admit it to
Speaker 1: this day. There would be flub ups on the air,
Speaker 1: there would be mistakes that were made, but he would
Speaker 1: just carry on, you know, and he'd laugh at it
Speaker 1: and just having a sense of humor, just to be
Speaker 1: able to laugh at himself. Well, I screwed that up.
Speaker 1: I think it was when Dave when we saw him
Speaker 1: at the at the Emmy's here locally, and uh I
Speaker 1: told him, I said, you know, Verne, I said, My
Speaker 1: greatest memory of you is after the last preseason game,
Speaker 1: a home game. It was always at Texas Stadium and
Speaker 1: the press box there had a kind of a common
Speaker 1: area behind where the writers were. We were in the
Speaker 1: press box writing and he and his wife tech Shram
Speaker 1: and his wife Marty, they would get together. There's an
Speaker 1: open bar, right, they got a bar in there, and
Speaker 1: the guy's making drinks and Texas drinking his bullshots and
Speaker 1: and they're loud right there. I could hear Verne's voice.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there trying on deadline to finish the story
Speaker 1: and they're loud. And I told him I used to
Speaker 1: get so mad at you, and he just start laughing.
Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, I bet because we were having a
Speaker 1: good time, right. And after the last, the last preseason game,
Speaker 1: they would put a pool together and you had to
Speaker 1: you had to predict the Cowboys fifty three man roster, right,
Speaker 1: and we're sitting there going, how are we gonna be texts?
Speaker 1: He should know already, right, And the only person they
Speaker 1: trusted with the ballots was Texas wife Marty. Marty would
Speaker 1: take the ballots. Everybody put their money in and then
Speaker 1: we see who had the most, and then they would
Speaker 1: win the pot. But that was a big deal. It was.
Speaker 1: It was amazing. And now that we mentioned Verne and
Speaker 1: I think about the Masters, that's what takes care of
Speaker 1: our weekend. That's the Masters starts tomorrow. So there you go.
Speaker 1: And in fact, I've actually used the line from Verne
Speaker 1: on last night's sportscast on CBS eleven. Did you see
Speaker 1: the skip shot holding one by John Rom and I
Speaker 1: it was on sixteen, and of course Verne was always
Speaker 1: on sixteen at the Masters, and so I was trying
Speaker 1: to remember the great calls, so many great calls that
Speaker 1: Verne lunk was made at the Master's and elsewhere. And
Speaker 1: I was thinking, Okay, what's that call that he had
Speaker 1: when Tiger when the on the chip in on sixteen,
Speaker 1: when you see the Nike logo and the and so
Speaker 1: I looked it up, and so I used it last
Speaker 1: night on the chip in shot by Rom And I said,
Speaker 1: I if we only had Vern here to exclaim, have
Speaker 1: you ever seen a shot like that in your life?
Speaker 1: And it wasn't a chip in. It was a drive
Speaker 1: over the water, right, well it was you know, it's practice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but anyway, skip like twice on the water. All right? Yes,
Speaker 1: I understand. At the end of the show yesterday you
Speaker 1: were talking quarterbacks. We were talking quarterbacks, and we had
Speaker 1: we really only had a couple of minutes to discuss
Speaker 1: which way they should go. Uh does it go back
Speaker 1: to Dalton? Do you want to give Gilbert some some
Speaker 1: more time? And um, it was a very short discussion.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what those guys said. I think. I said, um,
Speaker 1: you know, go with Dalton until you know for sure
Speaker 1: it's over, if you don't know already, and then give
Speaker 1: Gilbert basically a four game interview for the backup job
Speaker 1: next year, because Dalton's on a one year deal, right,
Speaker 1: And then his assumption was he was coming here for
Speaker 1: one year because of the pandemic, want to move his
Speaker 1: family with an idea of latching on with somebody next
Speaker 1: year where he'd have a chance to either start or
Speaker 1: compete for a starting job. So if that's his goal,
Speaker 1: and if that's still what he wants to do, then
Speaker 1: you're going to need a backup quarterback next year. And
Speaker 1: I don't know that Ben d Nucci would be ready.
Speaker 1: So I think what we saw from Garrett Gilbert, I
Speaker 1: think he'd be candidate number one. What are you thinking, Dave?
Speaker 1: I actually I completely agree with everything Mickey just said.
Speaker 1: I feel like people, you know, and I get it.
Speaker 1: The season feels like it's over from a competitive standpoint
Speaker 1: to the fans, but the reality is that it's not.
Speaker 1: You know, the NFC East is terrible, They're mathematically still alive,
Speaker 1: and Andy Dalton gives you the best chance to be
Speaker 1: competitive in that scenario. On top of that, maybe people
Speaker 1: don't want to hear this. I think it's only fair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Andy stayed here partially because of the pandemic, but this
Speaker 1: is also an opportunity for him to say it up
Speaker 1: the next act of his career. I mean, if he
Speaker 1: wants to keep playing football two, three, four or five,
Speaker 1: you know, good games of tape could go a long
Speaker 1: way toward getting him a new deal in a new city.
Speaker 1: So I think he deserves that opportunity. He's earned it
Speaker 1: over the last decade in the league. And you know
Speaker 1: they're two and seven right now. If they're three and
Speaker 1: ten in a month, then you've still got three games
Speaker 1: where you can put Garrett Gilbert in there and see
Speaker 1: what he can do. So I don't see the downside
Speaker 1: of letting Andy Dalton try to keep it competitive for
Speaker 1: the time being. And you know what his incentives on
Speaker 1: his contract have to do with percentage of games played,
Speaker 1: which if he went the rest of the way he
Speaker 1: would accomplish, And it's percentage of games played plus the
Speaker 1: Cowboys making the playoffs. So I'm getting his mind he
Speaker 1: doesn't care if they make it at six and ten
Speaker 1: or seven and nine. If he makes the playoffs. I
Speaker 1: think it's like and he plays I think more than
Speaker 1: fifty percent of the snaps. Uh, it's a five hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars bonus, and if they win the game, it's
Speaker 1: a million dollar bonus. So in his mind, by golly,
Speaker 1: you better give me that chance. All right, and let
Speaker 1: me ask you this, Okay, with the state of the
Speaker 1: Cowboys offensive line, all right, there's there's a perception about
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton, a recent perception about Andy Dalton because of
Speaker 1: what was going on in Cincinnati and what was the
Speaker 1: state of their offensive line, then their receivers and then
Speaker 1: without Green. Take it back to when Dak gets hurt
Speaker 1: and he did lead a drive that won the game
Speaker 1: at the end of the game and made a couple
Speaker 1: of throws there. Okay, Now the next week they're playing
Speaker 1: an Arizona team that ran them out of the building.
Speaker 1: Basically it was thirty one to three. Yeah, at halftime,
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't the Dalton faults something like that, you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of Zeke fumbles. They had to throw the
Speaker 1: ball fifty four times in that game. And then what
Speaker 1: happened next week he got hurt and it was but
Speaker 1: what was going on with the offensive who was playing
Speaker 1: right guard. Yeah, Zack Martin was hurt and so McGovern
Speaker 1: was making his NFL date right, And you can point
Speaker 1: the one sack that stands out in my memory of
Speaker 1: that game. It was a blitzing Cole Holcomb coming up
Speaker 1: right where the right guard Connor McGovern was who he
Speaker 1: took the safety instead of the linebacker and Zeke couldn't
Speaker 1: get over to get the linebacker. Could have got the
Speaker 1: safety on the blitz. But otherwise with that offensive line,
Speaker 1: they were throwing everything at Dalton. So let's let's see
Speaker 1: now the offensive line, although it still makeshift, has been
Speaker 1: together for a little bit and there's more of an opportunity. Plus,
Speaker 1: I think coming off the Dak injury, I mean just
Speaker 1: the whole mental state of this football team at that point,
Speaker 1: having lost Dak, I think that contributed a lot too
Speaker 1: to what happened the next week against Arizona. And I
Speaker 1: think the injuries in the offensive line contributed to what
Speaker 1: happened in Washington more than anything. And to both of
Speaker 1: your points, there's still plenty of time left in the
Speaker 1: season to see what's going on here with with both
Speaker 1: and you know, and Gary Gilbert, I mean take nothing
Speaker 1: away from what he was able to do on three
Speaker 1: days practice last week. Um, you know, it's uh, he
Speaker 1: has been a journeyman in this league for he's not
Speaker 1: It's not like he's twenty four, twenty five years old, right,
Speaker 1: like they just discovered this guy. I think I think
Speaker 1: there's a perception out there. Let's let's see the young guy.
Speaker 1: You know, well, the young guy turns thirty next year,
Speaker 1: so and and and then the other part of it
Speaker 1: is what realistically is the market going to be for
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton as a starting quarterback in this league next year?
Speaker 1: I mean, let's say that he is, he's competent, he
Speaker 1: does a good job, it's not overwhelming, and you know
Speaker 1: he doesn't do it pull o' ryan Tannehill and they
Speaker 1: win seven straight games to wrap it up. Then then
Speaker 1: the market obviously is gonna be great for him next year.
Speaker 1: But let's say they go five hundred or so the
Speaker 1: rest of the year, What really is the market for
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton? Is he gonna he would have an opportunity
Speaker 1: to compete someplace, probably, but his best opportunity might be here. No,
Speaker 1: you're right, and think about it. And I just saw
Speaker 1: that mel Kiper has his big board for twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one out already, right, But there's gonna be three quarterbacks
Speaker 1: go high in the draft, right, So that means teams
Speaker 1: quarterback that's where they're going. So there's three right off
Speaker 1: the board there if they do what Cincinnati and said, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're going with our young guy, let's go forward. So
Speaker 1: that's three teams right there. I don't know if we
Speaker 1: want to count him up who it is, but I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's almost like Andy has got to the point
Speaker 1: in his career unless he, you know, dis placed lights out,
Speaker 1: he's he's probably you know, he might have an opportunity
Speaker 1: if he knows the offense. It's a coordinator, there's a
Speaker 1: comfort level there. Whatever. He could have an opportunity else where,
Speaker 1: but he might have just as good an opportunity to
Speaker 1: make decent money here at home where he's got family
Speaker 1: and stuff. On another one year deal, we see, you know,
Speaker 1: so he could very well be the backup and you
Speaker 1: feel good about Andy Dalton being your backup quarterback. Absolutely
Speaker 1: have a have a veteran guy. I mean, think about
Speaker 1: but think it's not a bad point. Think about what
Speaker 1: Gilbert did. When's the last time a Cowboys backup quarterback
Speaker 1: when not counting Dak starting the season. Right, went in
Speaker 1: in the middle of the season and had a game
Speaker 1: like that, I got to go to Romo. Now, well
Speaker 1: I've been here Romo in two thousand and six. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And his debut wasn't anywhere close to that, right because
Speaker 1: his first pass was intercepted. As Jerry reminded, everybody, think
Speaker 1: about this with Gary Gilbert, where would his career be
Speaker 1: right now? If the pandemic hadn't happened. Would he have
Speaker 1: even been on a roster this year? He was playing
Speaker 1: last year in the Alliance of American Football. Right. The
Speaker 1: fact that you can have veterans on your practice squad
Speaker 1: this year was the main reason that he was still
Speaker 1: on a team this year. But he had played with
Speaker 1: Cleveland as a backup last year. He had, but he
Speaker 1: was on their practice squad at the time that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys picked him up, so he would have been here.
Speaker 1: He could have backed now they used that. Now they
Speaker 1: may have done that, and because they had the ability
Speaker 1: to the roster, right, but there's it's possible that he
Speaker 1: might have been out on the street they were banking
Speaker 1: on he could they could stash him on the practice squad.
Speaker 1: No one would sign him, right, and then here come
Speaker 1: the cowboys. Right yeah, so all right we can take
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Speaker 1: I'm aware. Yeah, yeah, yea, all right, we continue with
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Speaker 1: or something you wanted to get to just kick off
Speaker 1: this ship. I noticed something that this has kind of
Speaker 1: caused a stew in the media world today. The Houston
Speaker 1: Texans let go their vice president of communications Amy. I
Speaker 1: think it's pulsic. She was told the report said that
Speaker 1: she no longer was a cultural fit for the organization.
Speaker 1: Whatever in the world. That means when minority parties and
Speaker 1: women are getting opportunities to get hired in the NFL
Speaker 1: because they're trying to be more diverse in their hirings,
Speaker 1: she gets fired because she wasn't a cultural fit. And
Speaker 1: I was assuming it's by the guy they brought in
Speaker 1: to kind of take over the organization after the owner
Speaker 1: passed away, fired Brian Gaine as the GM fired the
Speaker 1: head coach, Bill O'Brien. Now it's going right down the
Speaker 1: chain and fired their vice president of the Communications and
Speaker 1: all you gotta do is go online and there's a
Speaker 1: bunch of writers around the country in and uproar. She
Speaker 1: was pretty good, Dave, as I remember when they were
Speaker 1: here in twenty seventeen for the her I was gonna say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I briefly remember meeting her when they were staying with
Speaker 1: us during Hurricane Harvey, and she seemed like a consummate
Speaker 1: professional to me. I'm stealing this joke from Twitter, but
Speaker 1: you're right. I mean, every influential voice in the NFL
Speaker 1: is just horrified that this happened. So maybe the cultural
Speaker 1: fit is that she's very, very good at her job
Speaker 1: and the Texans are an inept mess and that's just
Speaker 1: you know, they don't want any winners in that building.
Speaker 1: I guess, I don't know. Somebody wrote suggested this is
Speaker 1: the best thing to happen to her because now she
Speaker 1: could go to an organization that has some culture, and
Speaker 1: as Adam Schefter pointed out, she was the first and
Speaker 1: only woman to have full PR responsibilities for an NFL team,
Speaker 1: the winner of the twenty seventeen Roselle Award for Best
Speaker 1: PR Staff, and that was that year when they were
Speaker 1: they got they couldn't get back to Houston, so they
Speaker 1: came here to Dallas. They practiced for three days, I think,
Speaker 1: and the idea was the preseason game that was supposed
Speaker 1: to be played in Houston was going to be played
Speaker 1: at at and T Stadium, And then they set up
Speaker 1: that whole charity thing bill you remember, ended up being
Speaker 1: a fundraiser, and at the last submitted on Wednesday, they
Speaker 1: found out that they were going to be let back
Speaker 1: into Houston. So they kind of went got up and
Speaker 1: took off, and all that charity stuff was going to
Speaker 1: go down to drain. But the Cowboys said, oh no,
Speaker 1: we'll just have an open night and do a fundraiser
Speaker 1: a telethon and ended up raising a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: money if I remember correctly. All right, let's go, let's
Speaker 1: dive further into you want to talk punter punter? All right, Cowboys,
Speaker 1: might we sign on another punter? Right? They worked out
Speaker 1: they were supposed to work out a couple of guys.
Speaker 1: And the idea is the fact that you know, Hunter,
Speaker 1: the punter, nice wander, you know, has the job. But
Speaker 1: you got when you only have one position that only
Speaker 1: has one person, you got to be careful with the
Speaker 1: COVID stuff, especially when you get two games in the
Speaker 1: span of five days coming up right exactly, and if
Speaker 1: you bring if something happens to him and you got
Speaker 1: to bring somebody in, it's a six day or deal
Speaker 1: to get through the COVID protocols testing. You wouldn't have
Speaker 1: a guy in in time. So I think they decided
Speaker 1: we better put somebody on the practice squad, and so
Speaker 1: we'll see if they do that. They don't have to
Speaker 1: do it till well. If they sign a guy and
Speaker 1: if they want them on the practice squad next week,
Speaker 1: they got to get going now. Although you know, I
Speaker 1: guess you could get tested because they're not allowing the
Speaker 1: players into the building thanks to the what's is the
Speaker 1: guy's name? Vance McDonald. Yes, Vance McDonald tested positive to
Speaker 1: tight end for the Steelers, and when they got back
Speaker 1: and tested on Monday, and then caused the Steelers to
Speaker 1: put four other guys, including Roethlisberger, on the contact tracing
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen lists, and they can't be back in the
Speaker 1: building I think until Saturday. So you know the ideas well,
Speaker 1: I get back on Saturday. They're playing Roethlisberger on Sunday,
Speaker 1: but that could have happened to the Cowboys. So this
Speaker 1: might be the most fortunate by the Cowboys have ever had.
Speaker 1: Couldn't become in a better time because they probably would
Speaker 1: have been told you can't practice on you know, you
Speaker 1: got to wait three days. You're not going to be
Speaker 1: able to practice on Wednesday for sure. That's why today's
Speaker 1: practice was canceled. And so yeah, and what if they
Speaker 1: had a person, you know, test positive, then you would
Speaker 1: have to shut the place down. So yeah, this stuff is,
Speaker 1: it's growing, and it's even more serious now than it
Speaker 1: has been in the summer. Yeah about that. Just take
Speaker 1: a look at college football, right, I just saw how
Speaker 1: stayed in Maryland canceled for this weekend. I'll be interested
Speaker 1: to see if Notre Dame plays after they stormed the
Speaker 1: field there By the way, yesterday I was talking about
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in the possibility could the Cowboys have contracted
Speaker 1: COVID from Vince McDonald whatever, And I said highly unlikely,
Speaker 1: not because of what I said on the podcast yesterday,
Speaker 1: but by doctor friend who I was quoting on that,
Speaker 1: he just happened to text me last night because he's
Speaker 1: heard about the story and everything. He said, it's unlikely
Speaker 1: any of the Cowboys will get COVID from Sunday's game.
Speaker 1: Their exposure fails the times the time or times distance
Speaker 1: times dose test. But you know what locker rooms are like,
Speaker 1: and with the teammate from the Steelers perspective, the teammate
Speaker 1: being on the team bus, I mean that can be
Speaker 1: more of a location where you could contract it. And
Speaker 1: so that that is why we haven't seen there's no
Speaker 1: documented cases of athletes catching it from an opponent on
Speaker 1: the playing field. So you're you're saying Donovan Wilson is
Speaker 1: okay with that one tackle time McDonald's ball. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it. That's what my doctor friends are saying.
Speaker 1: So anyway, for whatever that's worth, it's it's it's more
Speaker 1: in the bars that it's the problem. Yeah, and the
Speaker 1: dormitories and the fat house. Yeah yeah. All right, we
Speaker 1: gotta like a minute left on this edition of mix Shots.
Speaker 1: How do we want to spend this minute? Oh boy,
Speaker 1: Dave Hellman, do you have a parting mix shot that
Speaker 1: you would like to give? Do I have a parting
Speaker 1: mix shot? Um? Hey, let me throw this out before
Speaker 1: you do it. Ye did Tack McKinley clear waivers. We
Speaker 1: will know that in about We will know that in
Speaker 1: about forty five minutes. Right, yeah, that's right now. The Falcons.
Speaker 1: The Falcons took their time putting him on waivers. Hasn't
Speaker 1: gone through the system yesterday then okay, right, no, um,
Speaker 1: we'll find out. Oh yeah, so no, I was just
Speaker 1: gonna say, hey, Mick, I really, I mean, that was
Speaker 1: cool that you read that letter. I was actually I
Speaker 1: was listening to a podcast about the world wars this morning,
Speaker 1: and like I said, it's a healthy dose of perspective.
Speaker 1: That was really cool. I appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah. There's
Speaker 1: a few things that we have left over from his
Speaker 1: service duty, but most of them it's not like he
Speaker 1: had a lot of memorabilia because when you're a prisoner
Speaker 1: of war, they basically take everything from you. So you know,
Speaker 1: he's got a shirt afterwards and a hat and that
Speaker 1: was about it. So but very fortunate to come back alive.
Speaker 1: And I'm fortunate too. All right. Well, that does it
Speaker 1: for this edition, a Veteran's Day edition of mix Shots,
Speaker 1: and we are off until next week now, Monday, Tuesday.
Speaker 1: I forgot what day we're starting back up again. And
Speaker 1: the Cowboys y'all find a way to enjoy your damn
Speaker 1: bye weekend. Don't so sad that you don't have to work.
Speaker 1: I know I'm going to be watching the Masters on CBS.
Speaker 1: We can pay attention to that. That's exactly right, all right,
Speaker 1: Dave Helmett, it's been fun. Good to have you Dave
Speaker 1: with us. It was yeah, this was great, Thanks guys,
Speaker 1: all right, and for Mickey Spagnolne, Bill Jones, and we
Speaker 1: will see you next week here on Mick Shots. Have
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