1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Sherry Shepherd is like Wendy your sepo gvo good vibez over. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 2: She's just a ray of sunshine. 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: Like she came in and when Wendy couldn't do it, 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: and she and a bunch of other people stepped up 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: and like saved their jobs and saved our show for 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: a whole year. 7 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 3: Stay tuned. 8 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 4: We'll get into my conversation with Norman Baker right after 9 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 4: these quick ass Welcome to Reality with the King. It's 10 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 4: me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and one 11 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 4: of the most sought after executive producers in reality television 12 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 4: with over ten years of production experience. 13 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 3: Twice a week on Reality with the. 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 4: King, we'll sit down with my friends across the entertainment industry, 15 00:00:55,560 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 4: recap our favorite reality shows and revisit I forget moments 16 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 4: that we are still talking and tweeting about. 17 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 3: Hey, rain drops. 18 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 4: Some of you all may know this about me, but 19 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 4: as a late night host, I am a huge fan 20 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 4: of talk shows. I grew up as a little gay 21 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 4: boy in Detroit, Michigan, watching Oprah Winfrey the greatest talk 22 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 4: show of all time, Mattel Williams, Sally Jesse, Raphael, Ricky Lake, 23 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 4: Heraldo Jenny Jones. This genre of television means the world 24 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 4: to me, So for me to have a late night show, 25 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 4: it's like super special, especially being the first openly gay 26 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 4: black male to host a late night show. It's just 27 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 4: super special to me, and I thank the Oprah Winfrey 28 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 4: Network for the opportunity. With that being said, the beauty 29 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 4: of my career is because I'm this behind the scenes 30 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 4: producer who now have this duo career. 31 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 3: Being in front of the camera. 32 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 4: And as I watch the Wendy Williams show, I saw 33 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 4: somebody who I felt represented a large community that I 34 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 4: wish was around when I was watching Daytime, and it's 35 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 4: this funny, hilarious, gorgeous gay black man who I think 36 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 4: needs his own show. I'm talking about none other than 37 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 4: Wendy Williams co host Norman Baker. 38 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:30,119 Speaker 3: There are so many. 39 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 4: People, Norman, who love you, who follow your career, who 40 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 4: really want to get into Daytime. You being an openly 41 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 4: gay black man, means the world to this community. 42 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 3: I want to give your flowers now. 43 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: Ah, thank you. 44 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 4: I really do believe that you are inspiring the young 45 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 4: black gay men or boys who are watching Wendy Williams 46 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 4: or just watching you, and they're like, wow, I want 47 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 4: to do that. 48 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 3: The same way. 49 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 4: I know I've affected more black people, especially black men, 50 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 4: getting into reality television. I feel like you have that 51 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 4: same inspiration in terms of daytime talk. 52 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: Well, that's like really surprising because you really just go 53 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: about your business just being in the grind. 54 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 2: Every day you wake up at five am. 55 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: You just all you want to do is get it done, 56 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: so you don't really think about any impact. 57 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 2: I actually, because we. 58 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: Throw so much shade every day, I like pretend that 59 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: no one's watching. So it's always a shock to me 60 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: when I hear that, like anybody heard something I said, 61 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: or like memorize some kind of joke I did or something, 62 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: So it's I try to pretend like nobody's watching it. 63 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: So it's surprising to hear that, Like, you know, I 64 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: try have to think about that I'm having some kind 65 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: of impact on you know, kids coming after me. But 66 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: I could totally see that because that's kind of how 67 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: I felt about I don't know, like RuPaul and Madonna's dancers, 68 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: and you know, you see yourself reflected and you're like, oh, 69 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: I could grow up to be that one day, and 70 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: I don't have to you know, stay in the shadows. 71 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, and with your personality, you don't belong in the shadows, honey, 72 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 4: you belonging from the camera, which is why I'm happy 73 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 4: you're doing it. So tell us how did it happen 74 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 4: in terms of your trajectory in getting to produce one 75 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 4: of the most iconic daytime television talk shows in the world. 76 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:26,239 Speaker 1: I was born in Chicago, and I got off the bus, 77 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 1: you know, with the stick and the pillowcase, and and. 78 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 2: I started out as a receptionist. 79 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: I just I don't know anybody in the business, so 80 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: I kind of just sent out. 81 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 2: I got a Hollywood reporter. In the back of it. 82 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: They had like production companies and addresses and fax numbers. 83 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: So I just blindly sent my resume to like everybody, 84 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: and I ended up getting a job as a receptionist 85 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: on the Ananda Lewis Show. 86 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember Ananda. 87 00:04:55,120 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 4: My first inspiration in television was teens, Yeah, watching Ananda Lewis. 88 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 4: So for my listeners, if you don't know this, Ananda 89 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 4: Lewis is this amazing, talented, super smart, gorgeous black woman 90 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 4: who back in the in the nineties had this Saturday 91 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 4: afternoon talk show called teen Summit, and she had a 92 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,679 Speaker 4: daytime talk show for one season. 93 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 3: But she is my inspiration. 94 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 2: I love that no. 95 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: I was her receptionist and I got to know people, 96 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: and one thing left to another. 97 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 2: I ended up at. 98 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: VH one and worked at Best Together for years, and 99 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: I learned a lot about pop culture. Well I was 100 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,799 Speaker 1: always like a pop culture nerd, but I learned about, 101 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: you know, the business there, and I used some of 102 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: that pop culture knowledge to come over to the Windy Show. 103 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 3: How did you get to be on the Windy Show? 104 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 4: Like, what was that transition from being on Best Week 105 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 4: Ever to having this opportunity to be on the Windy 106 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 4: william Show. 107 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: Well, Ananda, I met a woman named Alexander Jewett who 108 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: is short with at My Mercury one of the exacts, 109 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: and I saw Alexandra's name in the credits and I 110 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: was like, hey, Alexandra in the openings, and she kind 111 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: of just brought me on and like threw me into 112 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: the hot topics segment and next thing I know, I'm 113 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: like laughing and joking with Wendy on the air, which 114 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: was amazing. 115 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 4: That is such inspirational story. So do you remember the 116 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 4: first time you met the legend Wendy Williams, And what 117 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 4: was that like? 118 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: It was she was like getting her makeup done and 119 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,799 Speaker 1: she was I wasn't allowed to see her wigless yet. 120 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 3: You said yet, So you seen Wendy Wilms wiggless. 121 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: That's how you know you're in in the ender circle. 122 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: That's how she like, you know, lets you in. 123 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: Like one day, I had like some late breaking news 124 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 2: that I. 125 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: Used to share with her before ten am before we 126 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: went live, and I knocked on her door and I 127 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: was just gonna shout it through the door because I 128 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: knew she was like getting dressed in wigless and She's like, no, 129 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: come in, baby, and I was like, yep, I've been 130 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: Mama made her. 131 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 3: How does the hair look, Norman? Is it healthy hair? 132 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 3: Because she always talks about his thin Is it healthy? 133 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: It's healthy, It's beautiful. I don't know why she doesn't 134 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: show it off more. But you know she's a tiva. 135 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 4: You were in the hot top is meeting. This is 136 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 4: before you got to meet her wigless. So what was 137 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 4: that like when you first met her? 138 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: So I walked in and she like literally like laughed 139 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: at me. I was like, oh my god, you're too 140 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: cute to be shady, and I was like, oh. 141 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: That's sweet. 142 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: I think so my goal was just to just make 143 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: her laugh and you know, tap in show her that 144 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: I could tap into her brand of humor, which was 145 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: like amazing. She is one of the funniest people I've 146 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: ever met in my entire life, and I met some 147 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: funny people. 148 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 4: What was her title at that time you started your 149 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,239 Speaker 4: first day on the Windy Wilm Show. 150 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: I was a second producer and then I just kind 151 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: of like, now I'm supervising producer. 152 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: I say it with the question mark. 153 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 3: I know, I'm like Norman, it's a fact. It's okay, 154 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 3: own it, Honey. 155 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 4: Who made the genius decision to have you appear on 156 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 4: camera as sort of like her sidekick? Because if you 157 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 4: guys are fans of Late Night, like Johnny Carson had 158 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 4: Ed McMahon, David Letterman had Paul, like the iconic hosts 159 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 4: always have like their sidekick who they could banter with. 160 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 4: Who made that iconic decision? Because I'm gonna say this 161 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 4: to you. I was living in New York at the 162 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 4: time when the Wendy Williams like six week sneak peek happened. 163 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 3: And as a producer. 164 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 4: One thing people don't know, Norman, is when you're launching 165 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 4: a show. So for me it's reality shows and for 166 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 4: you it's talk shows. When you're launching anything, the first 167 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 4: few episodes, you're getting. 168 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: Your groove going, like it's. 169 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 4: It's sort of like, what is this show, what's the format, 170 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 4: what works, what doesn't work? 171 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 3: And like you said, Wendy's a legend. She's a comedian. 172 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 4: So I've always enjoyed just watching Wendy talk. But when 173 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 4: the first twenty to twenty five minutes of the show 174 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 4: was all about hot topics and then it was you, 175 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 4: so who made that smart decision to have you be 176 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 4: her sidekick to where you two had this banter for 177 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 4: twenty five minutes on the show that. 178 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: Actually was all her, Like that came from her. She 179 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: just and it organically happened. It wasn't like, well, as 180 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: far as I know, there was no decision to be like, 181 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: now you're gonna be the co host. It just kind 182 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: of organically slowly started to happen more and more. We 183 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: just had such good conversations in our briefing, and we 184 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: kikeyed so well together that she just kind of started 185 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: like throwing me out there more, little by little, more 186 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: and more. So it's kind of just it slowly grew. 187 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 1: Like I would say something super shady and a briefing, 188 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: not for national television, just being funny backstage, being. 189 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 2: A little cloud, and she would be on live. 190 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: Television and she would be like Norman said, she was fat, right, 191 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: and then the camera goes to me and I'm like, uh, 192 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: that was kitchen table talk, not for television. So but 193 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: I like took her cue. You know, she threw me 194 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: the ball, I grabbed it, and you own it. So 195 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, she's beat. That's right, I said it. 196 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:28,599 Speaker 1: So it's just kind of like I think she appreciated 197 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: that I didn't flinch and I just kind of rolled 198 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: with it. 199 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: So she did it more and more and more. 200 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 4: You and Wendy's relationship reminds me so much of my 201 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 4: relationship with Nini Leaks. 202 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 2: Uh huh. 203 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 4: I that And what I always tell people is this, 204 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 4: The importance of a producer is to make sure their 205 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 4: star is the best they can be. We're not responsible 206 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 4: for their success by any stretch of the imagination. I 207 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 4: would never say we're responsible for the success. 208 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 3: That's not true. 209 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 4: But in order for a star are to be the 210 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 4: best she I'm gonna say she because to me, there's 211 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 4: something special when it comes to the relationship between a 212 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 4: gay black man and a black woman in the sense 213 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 4: of when you're their producer and they have this big personality. 214 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 4: So when you look at your decade long career, what 215 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 4: is your most personal favorite moment, well. 216 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 1: A personal triumph, and it's once again rooted in shade. 217 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: We happen to be talking about Future and we were 218 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: talking about him having another child, and we were like, so, 219 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: who are the women, like, who are the mothers of 220 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: his children? And we just started like talking about it 221 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: more and more like no, that's not no, it's not 222 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 1: that lady. Who is this And so we just decided, 223 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: let's like put up a chart of like all of 224 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: Future's babies mamas and the's mama's mamas. And it was 225 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: like so much fun. You would think we were like 226 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 1: working for the Washington Post, like we were like Woodward 227 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: and Bernstein, like We're like, nope, nope, it's a. 228 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 2: No's Hollywood, Miami. It's no, it's this lady. It's okay. 229 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 2: We know Sierra's number four or is she number five? 230 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 2: We don't know. 231 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: And then we're like trying to find pictures to match 232 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: these women and then like explaining that to Wendy like 233 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 1: she once. 234 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: We had to finished product. 235 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: Like she was like a kid on Christmas morning, Like 236 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: she was like, I can't wait to get out there. 237 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: I can't wait to do this. She's like, get me 238 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: a pointer I want to have You're gonna go to school. 239 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: It was like so rewarding because what you work so 240 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: hard for you bring it to her and then she 241 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: gets so excited and then she just takes it to 242 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: another level. So I feel like that was one of 243 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: my one of my proudest moments. 244 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 2: Give me my Emmy. He came up with the future 245 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: baby Mama chart. 246 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 4: Or in the word of Wody Williams and Joscelyn, here's 247 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 4: your flower. 248 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 2: Oh my god, that moment Jocelyne got us. 249 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 4: Did you know she was coming in hot or did 250 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 4: she pretend she was gonna be nice? 251 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: She pretended she was gonna be nice, and she came 252 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: and high she got us and it was live and 253 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: we were like, what are we gonna do? Like did 254 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: we pull it? And I think Wendy even herself said 255 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: on air, like can we just pull the plug. 256 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 2: Like how long is this going to happen? 257 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: But that sucks for Jocelyne because like we are were 258 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: her biggest champions, Like she was like vilified on the internet, 259 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: and Wendy said nothing but nice things that we were 260 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: nothing but nice to her. So I really don't understand 261 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: why that happened. And she shot herself in the foot 262 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: because she was never allowed back on you know, like 263 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: we were her biggest champions, and it's not like she's 264 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: going to be invited to be on the View or 265 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: Rachel Ray, like this is your only daytime talk show outlet, 266 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: and she like ruined the one show that would One. 267 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 4: Thing I want to talk to you about is obviously 268 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 4: the Wendy Wilms Show has come to an end. 269 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: Uh huh. 270 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 4: And the one thing I always said about Wendy Williams 271 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 4: is she invited people on her show that would not 272 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 4: get pressed otherwise. And a lot of those people are 273 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 4: black people, people of color, reality stars, singers like Wendy 274 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 4: has given a platform to that show. I remember talking 275 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 4: to Kenya Moore. This is a couple of years ago, 276 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 4: and at one point Wendy wasn't discussing Atlanta Housewives a 277 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 4: lot like she would have done every Monday morning. 278 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 3: There was like a dry spell. I remember that the 279 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 3: ratings were going down for Atlanta. 280 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 4: This is years ago, and Kenya was saying to me, 281 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 4: I think it's because Wendy is no longer talking about 282 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 4: Atlanta Housewives, and that's hurting us. 283 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 3: And in that moment, I. 284 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 4: Realized that the power of her boys means a lot 285 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 4: to people, and it means a lot to the culture, 286 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 4: and it means a lot to audiences. So we don't 287 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 4: We're not going to have that anymore in terms of 288 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 4: this legend and icon who truly cement to herself in 289 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 4: pop culture, but truly Black culture. So how did you 290 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 4: feel when you learned that the show was coming to 291 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 4: an end? Knowing that, I felt like you and Wendy, 292 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 4: like me and Niani were like the closest of the clothes. 293 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I'm still kind of in the grieving process. 294 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: I luckily have like a couple months off to recharge 295 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: and resenter for Sherry Shepherd. But yeah, it's it's sad 296 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: for the it's sad for the culture. It's sad for 297 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: my relationship with her. You know, like we're good, we're good. 298 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: We just kind of we had a working relationship, and like, 299 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: you know, so I don't really speak to her as much. 300 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: There were points when I we talked all day every day, 301 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: you know, so, but you know, she's like she's not 302 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: doing well, so we don't really speak as much. 303 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 3: When was the last time you spoken to Wendy. 304 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 2: Oh, it's been a while. It's been like before this 305 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 2: season started. 306 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: Honestly, Like if she called me right now, we pick 307 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: up like nothing ever happened, you know, So I don't 308 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: take it personally. Obviously, she's you know, not in the 309 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: best of health. That's just it is what it is. 310 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: So actually that's pretty that's like the saddest part about it, 311 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: as that you know her health is and she's not 312 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:06,479 Speaker 1: in the best fighting form, you know, because she's the goat. 313 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: And I remember, you know, like you can give hurt 314 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: one name, you know, you can just say Kenymore and 315 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: she could talk for twenty minutes about Kenymore unprompted, you know. 316 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: So that's actually the really the sad part and the 317 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: part I'm still kind of a grieving How. 318 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 4: Do you feel when people say they hate it the 319 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 4: way the producers and obviously your producer, they'll group you 320 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 4: into that too. 321 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 3: A lot of people hated the way the show. 322 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 4: Ended and they felt like she did not get the 323 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 4: tribute she deserved. Did you guys reach out to her 324 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 4: to do a video or to do anything to sort 325 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 4: of like honor her. 326 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 2: Honestly, that's above me. It's above me. 327 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 3: Now. 328 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: I actually don't know what the process was or I 329 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: don't know anything about it, but honestly, but there were 330 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: internal talks about, like you know, between us, like what 331 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: are we going to do? 332 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 2: How are we going to do it? 333 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: But those are decisions that are made above us, so 334 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: we really didn't know until we got like our marching order. 335 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 2: It's like okay, so we're going to do this at 336 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 2: the end, and we're gonna do this. 337 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: So I wasn't really involved in those talks, so I 338 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: don't really know exactly how that happened, but I felt 339 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: like what we did was from the heart and it 340 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: was like good and it was, you know, what we 341 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: were supposed to do. 342 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 2: So I mean, there was there's actually no way to 343 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 2: end that show, like. 344 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: There's no actual really sufficient way to and capsualize what 345 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: we feel in our hearts for her anyway, So I 346 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: felt like it was we were good and I got 347 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: the last word of the series, so it was good. 348 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 2: So it feels special. I feel like I was part 349 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 2: of something great. 350 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: So no matter what I do, and for the rest 351 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: of my career, I know I was like part of 352 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: something great for like twelve years and I got the 353 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: last word on it, so it was good. 354 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 4: If Wendy is listening now, which I think Wendy does 355 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 4: listen to Reality with the King, Hey, Wendy girl. But 356 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 4: if Wendy is listening now, what would you like to 357 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 4: say to her? 358 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 2: How you doing? So you know she knows I love her, 359 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 2: she knows. There's not much to say. 360 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: We were just I would say, did you see Real 361 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: House Sights of Atlanta last week? 362 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 2: And just pick up where we left off. 363 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 3: I love that. I love that. 364 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 4: Well, look, I will say this so obviously my last 365 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 4: question about Wendy is she announced recently huh that she's. 366 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 3: Coming out with the podcast uh huh, so we're able 367 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 3: to hear her voice hopefully. How do you feel about that? 368 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 3: And can you please be the first guest. 369 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 2: If that happens? Oh my god, I would be so 370 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 2: angry if I wasn't the first guest. I mean pissed. 371 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 2: Whether she invites me or not. 372 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: I'm showing up to like the serious Exim studios or 373 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: wherever she is. 374 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 4: Stay tuned for more of my conversation with Norman. We'll 375 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 4: be right back after this quick break. This is Reality 376 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 4: with the King and I'm Carlinos King. Let's get back 377 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 4: into my conversation of Norman. You're now the supervising producer 378 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 4: of the Sherry Shepherd Show, which is going to premiere 379 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 4: September twelfth. 380 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 3: Uh huh on. 381 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 4: All of the Fox stations that had the Windy Wilm Show. 382 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 4: So what can you tell us, Norman about this brand 383 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 4: new talk show that you're now going to be a 384 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 4: part of. 385 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: Sherry Shepherd is like Wendy Jo Sepho Gvo, good vibe 386 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: es over. 387 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 2: She's just a ray of sunshine. 388 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: Like she came in and when Wendy couldn't do it, 389 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: and she and a bunch of other people stepped up 390 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: and like saved our jobs and saved our show for 391 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: a whole year and kept us going. 392 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 2: And Sherry was just like a natural fit. Like it 393 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 2: was just she. 394 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: Got our show, We got her, and we were like, 395 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: let's do it. But it's gonna be fun. It's gonna 396 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: be like, you know, pop cultury and you know Light 397 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 1: and Cherry is hilarious, So I think we'll just get 398 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: more funny Sherry. 399 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 4: You know, for the people out there listening, some are 400 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 4: obviously reality fans, talk show fans, but also people in 401 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 4: the industry. 402 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 3: So let those. 403 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 4: Who aren't in the industry know what is your role 404 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 4: as a supervising producer when it comes to a talk show. 405 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 2: So right now, I'll be at Wendy. 406 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: I was responsible for the you know, coming up with 407 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: the whole first twenty minutes, and people I would take 408 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: those pitches. People would pitch me stories, and it kind 409 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: of went to me to be like, Okay, we're going 410 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: to do this and that and this and the order 411 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: in which we do it, and take that to the 412 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: talent and inform them and also give them funny things 413 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: to say if they haven't already thought of it themselves. 414 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: But Sherry Shepherd Show, it's sort of still being worked out. 415 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: What's happening. I still I am going to have the same role. 416 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: I'm in charge of the act one, so I'll be 417 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: in charge of the first act. 418 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 3: Can we see you on the Sherry Shepherd Show. 419 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 2: That is TVD I'm not sure. I'm not sure. 420 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 4: I'm happy to have have you on because you are 421 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 4: also a huge fan of reality television, and I want 422 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 4: to dedicate this portion to what's been happening on the 423 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 4: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills this season. 424 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: Beverly Hell's Oh my goodness, so good. Garcel is running 425 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: the show, right, it's the Garcela. 426 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 4: Right, No, so Norman, I tweeted, because Kyle Richards is 427 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 4: the uncredited executive producer of the Real Housepots of Beverly Hills, 428 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 4: and she has been for many, many, many seasons. However, 429 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 4: dot Org Garcel Bouvet is coming. 430 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 3: For Kyle Richards's title. 431 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 4: So I told my fans that this season, I'm giving 432 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 4: Garsel the coke EP credit. 433 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 3: Right, So, Kyle is still EP. 434 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 4: Garcel this season is the COEP, and I think she 435 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 4: may get promoted to EP next season depending on what happens. 436 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 3: But she is running the show. 437 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 4: She is starting the conversations, and she's putting people on notice. 438 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 4: So as two producers, one in reality one in talk, 439 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 4: you can see. 440 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: That too, right, absolutely, like she stirs the pot in 441 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: a way that's not as transparent as like say Kenya 442 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: Moore would do you know what I mean? Like she 443 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 1: stirs the pot and you can see it. Same with 444 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: like Jaselle Bryant, like I see your stertin pot. 445 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 4: This is the reason why you listeners, who I love 446 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 4: and thank you for subscribing. Is good to have two 447 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 4: producers from two different genres on the show because I 448 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 4: tell people all the time, Giselle Bryant is the uncredited 449 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 4: executive producer Potomac and they read me for a film 450 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 4: like no, she ain't, but Norman, she is. 451 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: She one thousand percent is you see it? It makes 452 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: the episode like her stirring the pot. So you know 453 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: that's I think what That's what Garcella is doing. 454 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 2: She's the show. 455 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 3: No, she's fantastic, Kyle's great. 456 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 2: Sutton is chef's kiss. Suddon is amazing. 457 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: Suddon is like crazy a little bit, She's slightly funny. 458 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: She gives us fashions backwards tuxedos. 459 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 3: And now I tell people all. 460 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 4: The time, Suting is your quintessential Southern white woman who 461 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 4: comes from a certain class of wealth and access, and 462 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 4: she behaves. She's not a Karen. So, by no stretch, 463 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 4: is she a Karen. She's not a Karen, but she 464 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 4: holds herself in this high regard that speaks wealth and class. 465 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 3: And when she reads you, it's sort of like. 466 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 4: How I imagine Nancy Reagan reading the girls at the White. 467 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 3: House great or Harbor Bush. Do you know what I mean? 468 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 3: It's very no child is left behind, but I'm going 469 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 3: to read you for your ad. You know what I'm saying. 470 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 2: It's very interesting. She's a very she's the white favorite. 471 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 3: Yes. 472 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 4: So the episode that I want to talk about is 473 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,959 Speaker 4: when Sutton and Diana were going at it and you 474 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 4: have the EP Kyle step in, you have the co 475 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 4: ep Garcelle step in to ignite the flames, and I 476 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 4: thought Diana was hilarious. I was like, finally you're giving 477 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 4: us something, because before that, I'm like, you're boring. So 478 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 4: it was interesting that Diana was coming for Sutton, and 479 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 4: I personally thought sudden held her own. 480 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 3: She was funny, she checked that ass. 481 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 2: She was great. 482 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 1: Diana actually didn't do herself any favors in that episode, 483 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: Like she she. 484 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 2: Didn't make any sense. Her arguments weren't coherent. 485 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: Maybe that's because English isn't her first language, but yeah, 486 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: she just didn't make any sense. And she also says 487 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: that she doesn't know what a black content creator is, 488 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: but whatever. 489 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 4: Like, oh, it must be tough being a black content creator. 490 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 4: But my thing is this, uh huh, let's say for 491 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 4: argument's sake, right, you really thought like, oh, I'm in dark. 492 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 3: Why are you equating any negativity with the word black? 493 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? 494 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 4: Exactly, Like what is it about the word black that 495 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 4: makes you feel like it's shade? 496 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 3: Like? 497 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 4: That's the part that I don't get, because we ain't 498 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 4: talking about black Friday, we ain't talking about the black market, which, 499 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 4: by the way, all of those are problematic and we 500 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 4: need to figure out how to eradicate those problematic words. 501 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 3: But I digress AnyWho. 502 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 4: Most recently, she did this Aliah for a page letter 503 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 4: to Garcel about what she does for Haiti and for 504 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 4: black charities. 505 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 3: Is not a Karen. 506 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 4: I feel like Diana gives me caring botes in the 507 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 4: sense of she's very much like, oh, I'm not racist, 508 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 4: I have black friends. Oh I'm not racist, I have 509 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 4: black charity. Sun gave you all this energy and you 510 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 4: had nothing for her after the episode on your Bravo blog. 511 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 3: I don't know. 512 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 2: She just seems to be out of her depth on 513 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 2: the show. 514 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: I don't think Diana's giving us much, and we didn't 515 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: need Diana to begin with. 516 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 2: We had like an amazing cast last season. 517 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: It was just perfect, one of the all time greatest 518 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: casts last season. 519 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 4: Overall, what are you giving this season of Beverly Hills 520 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 4: Versus Atlanta? Because what I said to my Twitter fans 521 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 4: and on this podcast is the Housewives of Atlanta fans 522 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 4: are the beehive and the real Housewives of Billy Hills 523 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 4: fans are the Navy. Rihanna's navy, and they attack each other. 524 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 4: So who's having the best season so far? 525 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 3: In your opinion, it's. 526 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills is winning right now. However, Atlanta's close to 527 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 1: my heart. Atlanta is the one that I love the most. 528 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 1: Atlanta's my favorite. However, this season of Beverly Hills, they're 529 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: on fire. However, I do love what we're doing over 530 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: in Atlanta. 531 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 2: And you can tell it's like a rebuilding season. 532 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 1: You can tell that, like we keep these ladies, you know, 533 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: built some stories and the next season it'll be on fire. 534 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: Not to say this season isn't great, but you know 535 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: they need to rebuild a little bit. But I do 536 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: love we have some good starts with Charay coming back 537 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: and Tyrone not coming back. 538 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 5: And uh and uh she by Charae, which the producer 539 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 5: and me saw that. 540 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: She's like, oh, I have mats and I have like 541 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: merch or whatever. So obviously there's like, where can I 542 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: buy this? So let me go to Shee by Charaine 543 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: dot Com and I did get a four or four 544 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: not found. But I love your chara but it just 545 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: made me angry that she's been pushing she by SRA 546 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: for what thirty years and you still don't have the product, 547 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: especially if you put it on television by the time 548 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: it airs, you want everybody to go buy it, which 549 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: people like me, I would one thousand percent buy a 550 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: she Byceae Yoga Matt, But you just think she would 551 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: have the product ready by the time it is. 552 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. 553 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 4: Okay, so I'm gonna say this as a reality TV 554 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 4: producer who used to work for Bravo Real Hospitals at Atlanta, 555 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 4: what they don't like to do is give away what's 556 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 4: going to happen. So in Charae's defense, I think she's 557 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 4: not able to have it available because you want to 558 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 4: see whether or. 559 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 3: Not she was able to pull off the items. So 560 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 3: I'll say. 561 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 4: This, you and I will revisit this, okay, and after 562 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 4: the season finale, uh huh when we go on she 563 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 4: by Charade dot com. 564 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 3: And if there is a four O four. 565 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 4: Not foul, that's the shadiest shit I've ever heard in 566 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 4: my life. So if it's still that way that I 567 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 4: will apologize to you. 568 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 3: But I think that's what's going to happen. 569 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 2: I think then we'll give her the benefit of that doubt. 570 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 2: We will sure. 571 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 4: Oh, Norman, I cannot thank you enough for doing this. 572 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 3: I really had so much fun with you. 573 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. This is fun. 574 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 4: So to all of my listeners where they can find you, 575 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 4: follow you and what to expect from you, and you. 576 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: Can follow me at at Norman Baker TV on Instagram 577 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: and starting September twelfth, they'll be working at the Sherry 578 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: Shepherd chef every day and that's what you can expect, raindrops. 579 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 4: I can literally talk to Norman all day long. I 580 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 4: feel like can I were separated at first. That's how 581 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 4: much Hen and I have in comment And I hope 582 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 4: you guys also understood the reference in terms of the 583 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 4: producer and the diva, right, So When you think about 584 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 4: my career and the women I work with, and you 585 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 4: think about Norman and women's relationship, it. 586 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 3: Goes to show you that a producer is. 587 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 4: So integral into the success of the show. Yes, but 588 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 4: also to the star of the show and what Norman 589 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 4: has brought out of as relates to the comfortability she 590 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 4: felt sitting in that purple chair, giving all of us 591 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 4: her thoughts and having someone like Norman to banter off 592 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 4: of it's just I. 593 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 3: Mean, guys, it's just genius. 594 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 4: Not only that as an openly gay black man, I'm 595 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 4: so proud of Norman, and he's so humble, he's so sweet, 596 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 4: and I really hope Norman knows the legacy he's leaving 597 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 4: because it is my fundamental belief that little gay black 598 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 4: boys are sitting at home watching Norman and aspiring to 599 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 4: be him. 600 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 3: And the fact that we were able to have this dialogue. 601 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 4: I really hope that the flowers I gave him sprouts 602 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 4: to be bigger than his imagination can handle. 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