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Speaker 1: this same thing. He was saying that the reason for

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Speaker 1: Russia meddling into in the election was not to you know,

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Speaker 1: install a president. They liked, but there was a lot

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Speaker 1: more to it that you know that ends in four

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Speaker 1: years or maybe eight years. This is more about undermining

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Speaker 1: the US government and the people's trust of the US government.

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Speaker 1: This is the thing that people don't tend to realize

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Speaker 1: In America. We view everything, especially when it comes to politics, obviously,

436
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 1: and these four year or eight year windows. We view

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00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: everything through the lens of our own election cycle. But

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Speaker 1: when you're talking about are like nation level competitors, which

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Speaker 1: are primarily China is the big one in Russia to

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00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: a lesser extent, they don't have those same concerns. You know,

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Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin has been in power for a long time.

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00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 1: He claims he's not going to run again, but he'll

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Speaker 1: retain power as long as he sees fit, you know, presidency,

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00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: you know, and I know they recently did away with

445
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: term limits, effectively making him president for life. These guys

446
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: aren't Their strategies are not planned through the lens of

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Speaker 1: the US election cycle. They have the benefit of being

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Speaker 1: able to have long burning strategies. For instance, uh, this

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Speaker 1: anti vaccination versus vaccination debate. You know, there's there's the

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Speaker 1: non tinfoil and the tinfoil theories I have regarding it.

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00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: The non tinfoil theory is pretty simple. Just like leading

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Speaker 1: up to the two thousand sixteenth presidential election, Russian trolls

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Speaker 1: were organizing US protests and getting people to go to them,

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Speaker 1: and then they were also organizing cont counter protests and

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Speaker 1: the same location at the same time. With the the

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Speaker 1: interest was to create discord. We found out that Russia,

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00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: this has been covered on the show a while ago,

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Speaker 1: months ago, Russia was buying Facebook ads and that type

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Speaker 1: of thing for Black Lives Matter protests discord within the US.

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Speaker 1: These are protests that are part of the left wing movement,

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00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 1: you know, and we're tying Russia strictly to the right

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Speaker 1: wing of the US. So, yeah, exactly, it's all about discord.

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Speaker 1: It's really shortsighted of us to assume that Russia would

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Speaker 1: be rooting for a for a certain political party or candidate.

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Speaker 1: The truth of the matter is Russia's rooting for Russia.

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Speaker 1: You know. So a lot of people see their effort

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Speaker 1: in the two thousand and sixteen election as a failure

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Speaker 1: because it's been so highly publicized. To the contrary, I'd

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Speaker 1: argue it's been a huge success. You know, people in

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Speaker 1: America are as divided as ever, you know. You know,

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Speaker 1: a recent study among conservatives showed that like a lot

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Speaker 1: of people view Kim Jong Oon in a better light

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Speaker 1: than Nancy Pelosi would. Hear me out, I don't like

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Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi, But we're talking about like a dictator who's

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Speaker 1: got hundreds of thousands of people in what is effectively

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Speaker 1: concentration camps, who's been threatening the United States with nuclear

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Speaker 1: war for years, you know, threatening preemptive strikes for years.

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Speaker 1: And then we've got like a politician whose personal views

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Speaker 1: are different than our own, and we're gonna and you know,

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Speaker 1: it's crazy to me that here in the United States

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Speaker 1: we see the other political party as the real threat,

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Speaker 1: while you've got presidency and Vladimir Putin and you know,

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Speaker 1: and these other legitimate threats on the horizon that we

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Speaker 1: we kinda we approached with, you know, with nerve darts

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Speaker 1: instead of actual kinetic force, because we're much more interested

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Speaker 1: in fighting with each other, you know. And and that's

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Speaker 1: really what this vaccination thing I think speaks to is

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Speaker 1: it's not so much about Russia trying to get Americans

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Speaker 1: not to vaccinate their children. Although I do have a

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Speaker 1: tinfoil cat hat theory about that, or we're about getting

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Speaker 1: Americans not to vaccinate their children. Right, well, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: the the the effort has been international, but focused in

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Speaker 1: the United States in that particular regard. No, I got you.

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Speaker 1: You said getting Russian kids. Oh I'm sorry, yeah, not

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Speaker 1: about Americans here, right, yeah, sorry, But I really think

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Speaker 1: what it is is it's just about another avenue of

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Speaker 1: discord too. So you know, my tinfoil cap theory would be,

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00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: you know, they're playing the long game. This is the

499
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: same thing. I mean. The Soviet Union was in large

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Speaker 1: part responsible for conspiracy theories in the United States about

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Speaker 1: the government inventing the AIDS epidemic to control homosexual and

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Speaker 1: African American populations. The KGB also planted the conspiracy theory

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Speaker 1: that it was the CIA that killed Kennedy, you know,

504
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: when in truth, even though it doesn't look like it was,

505
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: there was much better evidence to suggest that the Soviets

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00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: were involved in the CIA was at the time anyway. Uh,

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00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,959
Speaker 1: the KGB, the Soviet Union and then Russia and the

508
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Speaker 1: FSB and and other assets of their information operations. They

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Speaker 1: know Americans love to pick each other apart. They know

510
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Speaker 1: Americans don't want to trust their government. They just need

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Speaker 1: to give us those nudges in the right directions, and

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Speaker 1: Americans by and large are happy to eat it up. Man.

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Speaker 1: You know, confirmation bias is a real thing here in

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Speaker 1: the States, and when you see something that says the

515
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: candidate you hate did something terrible, you're eager to believe it,

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00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 1: you know. And so what Russia is able to do

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00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: thanks to social media is where they used to have

518
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: to release stories and like lesser known outlets and then

519
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: cite them in better known outlets and try to get

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00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: it into the the news sphere. Now they can engage

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Speaker 1: with people directly pretending to be Americans also and just

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Speaker 1: planning those seeds of descent. Not to mention a lot

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Speaker 1: of mainstream American figures that people look up to and

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Speaker 1: trust their views, they appear on r T, they appear

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Speaker 1: on Russian propaganda television to its pcent true, and I

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Speaker 1: can't grasp why, you know. But then again, we also see,

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Speaker 1: you know, no longer prominent American celebrities, you know, cozying

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Speaker 1: up to the Russians as well. Steven Seagal is now

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Speaker 1: Russia's ambassador for goodwill with the United States or some

530
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: ridiculous title like that. And you know he's got his

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Speaker 1: Russian passport in his pocket and lives in Moscow. Fred

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00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: Durst is making films that are funded by the Kremlin.

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Speaker 1: Now he's living in uk Raine, trying to advance this

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Speaker 1: theory that it was good for the Crimean people that

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00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: Russia annexed it. You know, they know that American people,

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Speaker 1: and I don't necessarily mean to be honest with you

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00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: software radio listeners, you guys tend to be well informed.

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00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: You know, you're listening to a podcast about national security.

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00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: But your average person and I can't blame them. You know,

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00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: you're taking care of three kids, You've got a full

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00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: time job, you've got a wife you're arguing with. You

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00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: catch the news because it's on in the background when

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Speaker 1: you make dinner, and so when you hear that Steven

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Speaker 1: Seagal is trying to improve relations between Russia and the

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Speaker 1: United States, you might remember Steven Seagal, you know, from

546
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,959
Speaker 1: fucking Crimson Tide or whatever it was, and you're thinking,

547
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: maybe they're not that bad. You know, there's already Republicans

548
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: out there wearing these shirts that say I'd rather be

549
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: Russian than a Democrat. It's scary to me. Man, this

550
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: is Russia. In my opinion, China is a bigger threat

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00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: to our national security and to our diplomatic power. But

552
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: this idea that we're siding with Russia over the other

553
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: political party because we're so divided in the United States

554
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: is a really troubling development. What about your take on

555
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: people that are that feel you know, it's good that

556
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Speaker 1: Trump is currently making better relations with Russia as well

557
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: as North Korea because both of these nations are certainly

558
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Speaker 1: no fan of Islamic terrorism, and many people see it as, hey,

559
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: we can get together with the rest of the world

560
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Speaker 1: and wipe out this threat of ISIS and and the

561
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Speaker 1: larger threat of you know, the Wobbi sect of Islamic terrorism.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a pretty cherry picked perspective. Uh not

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Speaker 1: not what you're saying is cherry picked, but when people

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Speaker 1: make that argument, their cherry picking the evidence to support it.

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Speaker 1: You know, North Korea doesn't have any real significant stance

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Speaker 1: on Islamic terrorism because it's not an issue that they

567
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Speaker 1: had to deal with, but they could they could in

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Speaker 1: the future. You know, are are we assuming that North

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Speaker 1: Korea would provide military support North Korea's military, as we've seen,

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Speaker 1: you know from defectors, is malnourished, poorly equipped, undersupplied. They

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Speaker 1: have enough trouble manning their borders. They certainly couldn't. Although

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking of that security detail of Kim jongun and

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Speaker 1: the Limo and those guys. Yeah, But I mean that

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Speaker 1: was that North Korea has been getting a crash course

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00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: in propaganda from China and Russia over the past year,

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Speaker 1: which I've written about, uh, in terms of framing perceptions

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00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: of their nation to make sure that America looks like

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00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: the bully, you know, and uh, they're good. They're good

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Speaker 1: at conveying an image. You know. Propaganda is a way

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Speaker 1: of life within North Korean borders, and and they're getting

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00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: better at using propaganda instead of just threats from beyond

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Speaker 1: their borders. But I don't think that there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of truth to the idea of Russia would be a

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Speaker 1: big help in our war against Islamic terror, because ultimately

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00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: Russia's number one economically, Russia can't really support really broad

586
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: military efforts. You know, what they're doing in Syria is

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00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: just about the extent I would argue of what Russia

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00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,479
Speaker 1: could afford to do outside of their borders, and what

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00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: they're doing in Syria. While it is helping fight Islamic terror,

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Speaker 1: it's also supporting a dictator that uses chemical weapons on

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Speaker 1: his own people. You know, it reminds me of that

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Speaker 1: old story where it's like, you know, either a frog

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00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: or a turtle, depending on the story, UH is approached

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00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: by a scorpion and the scorpions like, I need you

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00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: to take me across the river, and the frog says, no,

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00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: you'll sting me. And the scorpion says, why would I sting?

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00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: You will both drown, But then halfway across the river

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Speaker 1: he does because it's in his nature. I've actually never

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00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: heard that. It's you know, it's it's it's an old

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00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: axiom that's basically saying, sometimes what's in a person's nature. Uh,

601
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Speaker 1: they're not making the conscious decision to be a bad guy.

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00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: They just are a bad guy, you know. And Vladimir

603
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: Putin is a strategic genius, one might argue, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's done a very good job of positioning himself to

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Speaker 1: retain power. But I but he is ultimately a bad guy.

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00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: You know. Getting in bed with a bad guy, even

607
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: with good intentions as a really dangerous thing to do.

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Speaker 1: I agree with the idea of working alongside Russia, of

609
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Speaker 1: cooperating with Russia in places like Syria, but I would

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Speaker 1: value our NATO allies that we haven't been demonstrating a

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Speaker 1: real value toward. I would value our NATO allies over

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00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: trying to establish a relationship with Russia pragmatically, if only

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Speaker 1: just because NATO is the superior fighting force and the

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Speaker 1: superior funding, you know, even politics aside, NATO represents a

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00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: more significant military force on the planet. You're just you're

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Speaker 1: better off cozying up with them than you are with Russia.

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Speaker 1: So this ties into what I've been teasing earlier before.

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Speaker 1: You are working on an upcoming book regarding information operations,

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Speaker 1: and it's gonna going to be focused on China and Russia.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to hear all about it, and when we

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Speaker 1: can expect to see that come out. Well. The book

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Speaker 1: actually for soft repreators, it will be really familiar because

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Speaker 1: a lot of the content is based, in large part

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Speaker 1: uncover age I did with Soft rep. A lot of

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Speaker 1: the articles are called directly from the website as a

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Speaker 1: like on the day analysis of how things are going.

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Speaker 1: The intent of the book is really to help you

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Speaker 1: develop a better rounded perception of how information operations are conducted,

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Speaker 1: so that you can be aware of them when they're

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Speaker 1: used on you. You know. So so the first portion

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Speaker 1: of the book delves only into historical uses of propaganda,

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00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: ranging from a lot of things that people don't realize

633
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,959
Speaker 1: still inform our lives today, to other things that maybe

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00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: you might not have heard of, but you know, a

635
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Speaker 1: good example being carrots being good for your vision. Is

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Speaker 1: the that idea that we have that mothers tell their

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Speaker 1: kids to eat their carrots, you know, to help their eyesight,

638
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: especially their night vision, is born out of British propaganda

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Speaker 1: in World War Two. There's no science to support the

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Speaker 1: idea that eating carrots will improve your eyesight unless you

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Speaker 1: have a beta carotein deficiency. You know, if you're so

642
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Speaker 1: malnourished that the malnourishment is affecting your eyesight, eating carrots

643
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: will bring your eyesight back to what it was supposed

644
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: to be, you know, if you were just eating well.

645
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: But adding adding carrots to your diet won't do anything

646
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Speaker 1: for your eyes. The reason why we believe it will

647
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: is because a World War Two that was the first

648
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Speaker 1: time aviators actually had to engage in battle in the

649
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 1: skies at night right, So British aircraft and eventually American

650
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: aircraft were tasked with trying to intercept German bombers as

651
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: they approached England in the in the dark. That was

652
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: very difficult to do because you can only rely on

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Speaker 1: site at the time. You know, now we have instrumentation

654
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Speaker 1: we can rely on, which I could get into a

655
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: whole thing about UFOs from that too, because this is

656
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: also the birthplace of a lot of UFO theories. But

657
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: in truth, what ended up happening was we developed a

658
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: nose mounted radar array for the British fighters that they

659
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: could find these German bombers as they approached. But we

660
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: didn't want Germany to know we had this technology, so

661
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: we launched this huge propaganda campaign saying that the reason

662
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: why American and British airpoints were able to intercept German

663
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: bomber is in the pitch black was because they ate

664
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Speaker 1: so many British carrots and nothing in the world can

665
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Speaker 1: improve your night vision better than carrots from the UK.

666
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: And we still believe it, you know. Uh, Diamond engagement

667
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: rings were introduced by the de Beers company. This is

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Speaker 1: not propaganda. It's marketing, which is just propaganda for a

669
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Speaker 1: private source. Uh. That was only you know, in our

670
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Speaker 1: grandparents lifetime that engagement rings became a thing. You know,

671
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: the idea that it needs to be two month salary

672
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: also a de Beers marketing ad campaign to Beers. I

673
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: actually I have included. They put in the marketing that

674
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Speaker 1: you had to spend too, but that it needed to

675
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: be two months salary. That's definitely something I would like

676
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: to do away with. I mean, I genuinely like, I

677
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: don't see myself getting married anytime soon, but I do

678
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: think it's ridiculous ideas. You can actually go through de

679
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: Beers press releases and find charts that they have that

680
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: show how their market like the idea that you needed

681
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: an engagement ring to get married before a marketing campaign

682
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 1: which was let's lay in the United States at two

683
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: and then thirty years later at and then they launched

684
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: the same campaign about ten years later in Europe two

685
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: similar success and they recently launched a very similar campaign

686
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: within the last twenty years or so in China, and

687
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: it is also getting gradual traction. China is now embracing

688
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 1: the idea of using a diamond engagement ring to get

689
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Speaker 1: engaged when they previously hadn't. I said, people in China

690
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: would be able to afford a diamond engagement rain. Well,

691
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: you gotta remember, China's got a huge population, and while

692
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Speaker 1: there is a large swath of them that live in

693
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Speaker 1: horrible poverty, there's also a fair number of Chinese people

694
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Speaker 1: that that live rather well. It's one of It is

695
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: arguably the first or second most powerful economy on the planet,

696
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: you know, so, but I mean it is. It is

697
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: even more of a pyramid by you know, much more

698
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: pyramid than where we live, where it's the super super

699
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: wealthy at the top and very far and few. And

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00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: in China, it's important to remember that the super wealthy

701
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,439
Speaker 1: at the top and the government are one the same,

702
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 1: you know, whereas in the United States we have concerns

703
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: about how much the super wealthy have infiltrated government, we

704
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: at least still pretend that their separate entities, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would say that that you know that

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00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: they are in the difference that in America, you know,

707
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: any person could just start their own business and it

708
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: could be a huge success. I would agree with that.

709
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: I would argue, however, that in America, in in modern America,

710
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Speaker 1: I couldn't be the president, you know, and my daughter

711
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: likely couldn't either. I'm not a senator, I didn't go

712
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: to an Ivy League college, and we're not millionaires. So

713
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Speaker 1: the chances of her having a reasonable shot at even

714
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Speaker 1: being a seriously considered candidate from one of the major

715
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: parties are so slim. I mean, I guess. But the

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Speaker 1: two the two last presidents, the two most recents, certainly

717
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: went against the grain. I mean Barack Obama's history. I mean,

718
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: I think just growing up as a kid, you heard,

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00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: you know, we'll never have a black president, you know,

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Speaker 1: and that happened. Uh. And and also a president who

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Speaker 1: lived a large portion of his life in foreign countries. Uh.

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00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: You know, with Donald Trump, he certainly had the wealth aspect,

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Speaker 1: but the rest of his background did not meet that

724
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Speaker 1: of what you thought a future president would be. Certainly

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Speaker 1: not because when you think about when George Bush, the

726
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Speaker 1: first George Bush, was elected president, he had been the

727
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Speaker 1: director of the c I A you know, but porly

728
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Speaker 1: and a war hero. It's important to note, but prior

729
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: to that, he was just a rich guy, you know,

730
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Speaker 1: being a rich guy. John F. Kennedy Uh, the Kennedy

731
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: dynasty political dynasty, and large part was born out of

732
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: prior to being a political dynasty, it was a wealth. Well,

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Speaker 1: I would say Bill Clinton went against the grant of that.

734
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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton are another political dynasty of

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00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: a men's wealth. I'm but I'm talking about prior to that,

736
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Speaker 1: prior to him becoming a governor. I mean, he did

737
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: not grow up wealthy at all. He may he may

738
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Speaker 1: not have grown up wealthy, but this is this is

739
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: really what it comes down to when in United States,

740
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: when it comes to running for president, is you need

741
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: to be very heavily connected with the established powers in

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00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: order to be a serious candidate. By the time Bill

743
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: Clinton ran for president, he was already already a very

744
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: wealthy and powerful man. You know. By the time Barack

745
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 1: Obama ran for president, he wasn't quite as wealthy and powerful,

746
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: but he was well connected. It's not a legitimate you know,

747
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders and those guys would argue we have an oligarchy.

748
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's necessarily fair to say, but

749
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Speaker 1: I do think it's fair to say that the barriers

750
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: for entry into national level politics are significantly higher if

751
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: you come from a low income family. Oh yeah, for sure.

752
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: I just think it's changing a lot. I mean. And

753
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: also if you look at the amount of money from

754
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: superpacks that went into not getting Donald Trump elected and

755
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: that he still got elected, I mean, I think it

756
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: really shook things up and it did change things. Whether

757
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: you love the guy or you hate the guy, no,

758
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, he's certainly had the wealth.

759
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: But I think there's no way to deny that Donald

760
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: Trump getting elected is going to change how future elections progress.

761
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: I absolutely. And then even if you look at these

762
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: local elections, like I certainly am no fan of her,

763
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: but the girl who won the Democratic primary in the Bronx,

764
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 1: I believe, you know what I'm talking about, the Alexandra

765
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: what's her name again, Alexandra? I don't remember the full name,

766
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: you guys know. Also, it escapes me right now because

767
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Speaker 1: I I honestly don't put a whole lot of this

768
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: is when it comes to local elections. I have a

769
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: lot of trouble seeing regional and local elections as uh

770
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: as an indicator of national level politics. And I'm talking

771
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: about it. So it's Alexandria Osassio Cortez, you know. But

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00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: let's just say that she wins that seat. That is

773
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: a you know, that's a federal elective seat. And you

774
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: know we're talking about a girl who is younger than

775
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: both of us, was working as a bartender, and you

776
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: never know that she could, you know, go from you

777
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: become a congressman and then go to being a senator.

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00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows. I'll tell you what, man, if

779
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: thirty years from now that bartender is the president, I

780
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: will come back on your show, whatever your show, maybe

781
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: at the time, and I'll eat my words. In the meantime,

782
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 1: I'm not saying my daughter couldn't be the president. God knows.

783
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: If she wants to be. I hope she can be.

784
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: I just I would argue that in the United States

785
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: less so than in a place like China, But in

786
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: the United States, if you don't come from influence, it's

787
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: very difficult to develop any I would agree. I would

788
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: agree so in what you're saying is like a lot

789
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: of old money stuff. But but as I said, I

790
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: do think there are the exceptions to the rule, and

791
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: I think there's there's a lot of exceptions. And that

792
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: is why America, in my opinion, is great. Is your

793
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 1: ability for vertical you can climb the ladder. So to speak. Socially,

794
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, people will argue that you can't go from

795
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: one class to another class in the United States. I've

796
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: heard that argued by a lot of smarter people than me,

797
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 1: But I honestly I would disagree, using myself as an example.

798
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: I was and I was born, my family lived. There

799
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: were four of us in a twelve ft camping trailer

800
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: that didn't have running water and got its electricity from

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00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of strung together their surge protectors from the

802
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: guy's house that let us keep our trailer on his land.

803
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: You know, my dad was in college, My mom was

804
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: in college. My dad went back to school later in life,

805
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: he was in his thirties on and slowly we climbed

806
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: our way up from there too. When I was in

807
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 1: high school making you know, my family made pretty good money.

808
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: You know, my my parents both had college degrees. My

809
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: mom had an associates at the time. Uh, and they

810
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: really did change the way we lived. And then when

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00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: you look at where I was born to where my

812
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: daughter was born, you know, I when I was born,

813
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: my parents were in college. When my daughter was born.

814
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: I have a master's degree already and uh, my, my

815
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: house is fine. You know, we live in where we

816
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: are safe. We're not hurting for food. You know, she

817
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: doesn't have the same challenges that I faced as a

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00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: young child, thanks to my parents hard work. Yeah, and

819
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: it it might not always be see to claim from

820
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: one class to the next in one generation, but I

821
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: genuinely believe that you can. You know, So, what other

822
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: stuff are you going to get into in this book?

823
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: Some of those you know, legends that that became what

824
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: we now take his information are pretty interesting and I

825
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: didn't know about either of those. But what what other

826
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: stuff is the book and a focus on? So after

827
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: we get through the history, and you know, the history

828
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: also includes efforts that took place right here in the

829
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 1: United States, including the JFK assassination and things of that nature,

830
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: I'd like to hear the take on that. That's interesting. Well,

831
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: in truth, what it really was is the idea that

832
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: the CIA assassinated JFK was not a Russian or a

833
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 1: Soviet invention. There were definitely people in the United States

834
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: that believed that there was a chance the CIA could

835
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: have been involved, or if not, the CIA kind of

836
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: the original idea of a deep state government uh. And

837
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: what what the Kremlin saw and that was the opportunity

838
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: to start sewing those same seeds of descent that they

839
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: continue to sew today, you know, an opportunity to discredit

840
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: some of the faith Americans have and that are elected

841
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: processes and in the in their government itself. So what

842
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: they did was they started advancing this theory that it

843
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: was the CIA that killed Kennedy. Uh, in similar ways

844
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 1: that they use now with the internet. Uh. The Kremlin

845
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: has always owned a number of media outlets, some on

846
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: the international level and some on the national level, and

847
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: not all based in Russia. So what they would do

848
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: is they would run a story in one of their

849
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: lesser known outlets that was poorly sourced that said, the

850
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: CIA killed Kennedy and here's evidence, and here's a witness

851
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: who says it was all true. Now, that story itself

852
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: is poorly sourced, but that outlet is such a low

853
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: traffic outlet that it wasn't really held to the fire

854
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: for it. Then another slightly more well well known and

855
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: more of renown outlet would cite that first story. Another

856
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: again it's important to note Kremlin based outlet would cite

857
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 1: that story, and they create what I call a citation chain.

858
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: So by the time RT or spot Nick runs the

859
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: story that says maybe the CIA killed Kennedy, reports suggest

860
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: because they don't want to incriminate themselves, they're citing an

861
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: outlet that cited an outlet that cited an outlet. The

862
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: chain goes down thirty times to the point where you

863
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: can't really find out where the story originated from, and

864
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: then it simply won't die, you know. And that's that's

865
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: what they used to advance the idea that AIDS was

866
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: a government invention, a biological weapon of the US government.

867
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: That's where that theory was advanced. That's where the theory

868
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: that Kennedy was assassinated by CIA operatives was advanced. And

869
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: it's been the basis of a number of other anti

870
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: American government theories over the years. There's even one theory

871
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I buy it, but there's one theory

872
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: that's says that UH, the Roswell incident was actually UH

873
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 1: a Soviet aircraft that had been filled with mutilated children.

874
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 1: Think it's complicated. They theorized that Dr Mangelo was liberated

875
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: from Nazi Germany kept in the Soviet Union secretly so

876
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: that he could modify these poor children, load them into

877
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: this aircraft to fly it to Roswell and crash it

878
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: just so that America we tear themselves apart worrying about aliens.

879
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: I don't buy it, but it isn't keeping with kind

880
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 1: of their m O, you know. And we're still seeing

881
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: it today. You know, today they released video game footage

882
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: from an iPhone game. Yeah, you know, so the iPhone

883
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: game is C one thirty Air Support, you know, and uh,

884
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: they released footage from this game as evidence that American

885
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: forces were supporting ISIS convoys in Syria. You know. They

886
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: released it on Twitter. It was immediately caught out as bullshit,

887
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: and they just they didn't retract it. They just deleted

888
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: the tweet and moved on, because this is their method.

889
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: They'll just you know, throw spaghetti at the wall and

890
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: wait for something to stick. They claimed that to S

891
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 1: thirty five Scared Away in American f twenty two, about

892
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: a week before Suit and two had ever even seeing

893
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: each other in the same skies. And what was funny

894
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: is as the story about their SWO thirty five scaring

895
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: away American fighters was making its rounds on the internet,

896
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: an actual interaction occurred and the thirty fives are the

897
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: ones that bugged out, you know, so they're they're really

898
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: good at getting ahead of the game. Like right now

899
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: they're claiming that America is planning another false flag chemical

900
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: attack in Syria. They made similar claims before the last

901
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: chemical attack took place. I would argue it's probably because

902
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 1: Assad is planning another chemical attack and they're pre positioning

903
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: themselves to lay at at America's feet. What about information

904
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: operations that we've started that that has gone, you know,

905
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: to to become a legend overseas. Are there any of

906
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: those in this book? America at one time was the

907
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 1: global leader in narrative management, and I want to point

908
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: out I would think that because of maybe Hollywood, right absolutely,

909
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: you know, and journalism too. For a long time, the

910
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: CIA maintains strong ties with people inside Hollywood and in

911
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: the journalistic world. Uh, they no longer maintain those ties officially.

912
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure they still exist to some extent. But instead

913
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: China is actually the one influencing how Hollywood informs the

914
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: world now much more than the United States, because the

915
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: Chinese market is the second largest one in the world.

916
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: This is the reason why movies like skyscraper, you know,

917
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,959
Speaker 1: bomb here in the United States, but end up being

918
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: financial successes. It's because they make a ton of money

919
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: in the Chinese market. But the the Chinese government dictates

920
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: what movies can be released in their market, so as

921
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: opposed to here in America, where we have the m

922
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 1: p A A saying you know, hey, you're gonna get

923
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: a rated R or an NC seventeen rating if you

924
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: do that, and you might like make less money. China,

925
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 1: for instance, told Marvel when they were making Doctor Strange

926
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 1: that if you have the Ancient One and the training

927
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 1: take place into bet like a dozen the comic books,

928
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: we won't let you release the movie here, and you're

929
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: gonna lose hundreds of millions of dollars. So they cast

930
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: a white lady to play the Ancient One and which,

931
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: and they got accused of whitewashing, when in truth they

932
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: did it because the Chinese government effectively mandated it. But

933
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: as far as American campaigns, this is actually our problem.

934
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: Once upon a time, you know, World War one, world

935
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 1: War two era America was at the forefront of narrative

936
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: management and propaganda is not inherently nefarious, you know, uh,

937
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: A good narrative still needs to be spread, just like

938
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: a bad narrative needs to be spread. UH. In the

939
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 1: United States now, because we have this idea that propaganda

940
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: and information operations are nefarious, you know, just intrinsically, the

941
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: idea that if you produce propaganda you have to be

942
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: a bad guy. Because we have this mindset, we just

943
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: don't do it anymore. So what ends up happening is

944
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: Russia comes out with these you know, we call them

945
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 1: bad actor narratives where they're misleading the world. They're misleading

946
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 1: the public about what's going on in Syria. Because you're

947
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: average American, they don't see Syria. All they know about

948
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: Syria is what they get through the media. Right. So

949
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: Russia pushes hard on their own narratives to sway how

950
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: we feel about it, and the United States responds to

951
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: narratives as opposed to establishing their own. I can't take

952
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: credit for this criticism. Dr Regietman, who's the head of

953
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 1: a think tank called Narrative Strategies that does some work

954
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: with So Calm. She actually talks about this a lot

955
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: in her book, UH Narrative Narrative Warfare, And effectively, what

956
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: she argues is that because so like, let's say you,

957
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: Ian are the bad guy and I am the good guy,

958
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: and you want to tell the whole world that I

959
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: cheated on my wife. Let's just say now, you as

960
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: the bad guy, don't have that much of an audience

961
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: among my friends and family. Right, we operate in different circles.

962
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: But when you come out and say, Alex cheated on

963
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: his wife, so I go on my Facebook and right,

964
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: Ian said I cheated on my wife. Here's the reasons

965
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 1: why I didn't. What I'm really doing is planting that

966
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: seed of doubt in my in the audiences that are

967
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: unique to me, because I'm responding to a narrative instead

968
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: of establishing my own. The right thing to do with

969
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: someone accuses you to cheating on your if, of course,

970
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: is to just say I love my wife. You know

971
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: I value my relationship with my wife, and then act

972
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: on that. Instead by saying no, I didn't cheat, I'm

973
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 1: suggesting that there's a possibility that I did. And that's

974
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: what we're doing wrong in places like Syria, in places

975
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: like the Pacific, with the South China, see throughout the

976
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 1: majority of the Middle East, is we're letting the bad

977
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: actor narratives come first. And then we're responding to them,

978
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: We're trying to downplay them instead of letting our own

979
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: good narratives dictate the conversation. An idea of propaganda that

980
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 1: the US, you know, that was um placed on on

981
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 1: the citizens to the US that I could think of

982
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: was shortly after Benghazi, when members of the government came

983
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: out and blamed it on a YouTube video and it's

984
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: proven to be false. Dude, I gotta tell you, the

985
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: Democratic Party. So I've got strong feelings about Benghazi, just personally,

986
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: but as a person who studies narratives and perceptions. The

987
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: Democratic Party put on a clip and their ability to

988
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: make anyone who talks about Benghazi sound like a crackpot.

989
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: Very true, very true. Uh So Benghazi is a real, legitimate,

990
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: serious issue that someone needs to be held accountable for.

991
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: I know, so people may have been privately, but Benghazi

992
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: is a legitimate, serious thing. But on the campaign trail,

993
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: you know, in the two thousand sixteenth presidential election, anybody

994
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 1: who came out talking about Benghazi were dismissed in liberal

995
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 1: circles as you know, effectively, you know, just a crazy

996
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: conservative as opposed to someone with a legitimate grievance I

997
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 1: think one of the problems was that there were conservatives

998
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: who blew it up so much that they made it

999
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 1: look like Hillary Quentin was like in a room cackling

1000
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: is you know, guys were dying. You know, I would agree,

1001
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: But you know, that's true of all narratives in the

1002
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: United States, for both parties. You know, every time Donald

1003
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: Trump does something, sixty people go out with protests science

1004
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: and sit down in a highway and start crying. Every time,

1005
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: you know, Chuck Schumer or Nancy Pelosi says something, sixty

1006
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: Republicans go on Facebook and say we should shoot him. Uh. I.

1007
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: I try not to let those minority groups dictate my

1008
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: perceptions of overall national politics, but unfortunately it's hard to avoid,

1009
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: you know. But you know, Benghazi is a good example

1010
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: of how the Republican Party, instead of establishing a good

1011
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: actor narrative, responded to the Democratics parties bad actor narrative,

1012
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: and you lose that battle, you know. And now Benghazi

1013
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: is a subject that is really only discussed amongst conservative

1014
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 1: groups and uh and probably won't advance very much further

1015
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: in terms of holding anybody accountable. And it's because of

1016
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: some very some good quality marketing. Honestly, I would argue

1017
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: that our response to Benghazi was born out of more

1018
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: of the same. It happened Benghazi happened soon after Barack

1019
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: Obama said that there were no longer threats of that

1020
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: nature that we needed to worry about effectively. Uh, and

1021
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: then having that happened right before the presidential election would

1022
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: have reflected really poorly on him and really hurt his

1023
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: chances at reelection. So you know that we have it, uh.

1024
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: And that's actually that speaks really importantly to something I

1025
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: see a lot of people, and I can sense people

1026
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: listening now going, yeah, but who cares, man, Like there's

1027
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: real fights going on. The reason why this matters is

1028
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: because it genuinely does affect the fight. Vietnam is a

1029
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: great example of how when public perceptions skews away from

1030
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 1: supporting and endeavor, we start mismanaging it. Oh yeah, I mean, well,

1031
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: even you know, the I would say in the Middle East,

1032
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: the narrative that that spread about the US is that

1033
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: the US just hates Muslims period, you know, like blanket statement,

1034
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: and then they could use videos of you know, as

1035
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: we know, former Navy seal like dropping the Koran on

1036
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: the ground people burning the Koran and and this is

1037
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: what this country as a whole, all of them think

1038
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: of you. And that's easy to find. It's easy to

1039
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: find individual evidence to support your your bullshit claims, and

1040
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: that type of propaganda works. I think it does help.

1041
00:55:58,440 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: If you look at the rise of ISIS, it's a

1042
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 1: another good example of you know, a lot of people

1043
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: claim our blame Obama's administration for creating a power vacuum

1044
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: that led to the rise of ISIS, and I think

1045
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: that's a fair criticism, but I think we need to

1046
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: remember that the Obama administration did that because of this

1047
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: overwhelming public support for pulling out of Iraq. Americans, by

1048
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: and large, I'm not saying, oh, I can hear people going,

1049
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: I didn't say that Americans by and large wanted our

1050
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 1: troops out of Iraq. So are elected officials, in the

1051
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: interest of trying to you know, secure further elections and

1052
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: deliver to their constituents, uh, didn't enact a good exit strategy.

1053
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: They just enacted and exit strategy and the interest of

1054
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: public popularity, you know, So then we pull their troops

1055
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: out of Iraq. By by and large, you know, we

1056
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: created this power vacuum. Isis then surfaces, and then America

1057
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: finds itself in this quagmire having to decide what level

1058
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: of involvement we want to have on what we now

1059
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: perceive in the early days of ISSIS to be kind

1060
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 1: of an internal struggle within Iraq. You know, the idea

1061
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: that you can convince the American public to not support

1062
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: a conflict leading to America pulling out of the conflict

1063
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: has legitimate basis and historical fact. Russia, for instance, does

1064
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: not need to convince Donald Trump to not continue combat

1065
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Speaker 1: operations in Syria. Russia does not need to get a

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Speaker 1: president elected that's a puppet for the Kremlin to get

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Speaker 1: us to stop pursuing combat operations in Syria. All Russia

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Speaker 1: really needs to do is convinced enough Americans to call

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Speaker 1: for an end to combat operations in Syria. And then

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Speaker 1: when politicians are looking to get reelected, because everything is

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Speaker 1: viewed through the election cycle, changes are going to start

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Speaker 1: to be made in policy in Syria or wherever it

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Speaker 1: may be, with the intent of appeasing those American voters

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Speaker 1: who don't want us there anymore. And that's how we

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Speaker 1: lose wars Man. America's defense apparatus I believe could win

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Speaker 1: just about any right we put them in as long

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Speaker 1: as they have the full support of the U. S.

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Speaker 1: Government via the American people. Once that support starts to wane,

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Speaker 1: so does funding. Then defense budgets start to get cut,

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Speaker 1: then maintenance stops happening, and we end up where are

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Speaker 1: we've been for the past year? Were their planes falling

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Speaker 1: out of the sky, ships crashing into each other, and

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Speaker 1: service members dying for no real good reason. Yeah, Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: you're right, and I think this is gonna be a

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Speaker 1: good book about how as you're saying, propaganda does work,

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00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: information operations can be very effective. When did it come out?

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Speaker 1: What's the title of it? The book is called The

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Speaker 1: Perceptions Wars. It comes out September ten. I want to say, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll call out September ten. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: sure that's the date. You'll be able to find it

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Speaker 1: on Amazon as an e book and heart or a paperback,

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Speaker 1: And don't worry, I'll be splashing it all over every

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Speaker 1: social media platform I can find. You know, I really

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the support for this book. I've already gotten

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Speaker 1: from a lot of people on Twitter and on Facebook. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's It's been a labor of love over the past

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Speaker 1: two years, and I'm excited about getting it out there.

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Speaker 1: And it's it's completely self published. Oh yeah, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: in terms of just given me some perspectives. You know,

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Speaker 1: I haven't been in every one of the countries I

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Speaker 1: to China and to North Korea. Uh, you know, but

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's been really helpful for me to

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Speaker 1: in Crimea during the military annexation in two thousand fourteen

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Speaker 1: by Russia, you know, to talk to a guy who's

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Speaker 1: operated in China before. You know, it's really helped me

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Speaker 1: flesh out the ideas that I developed academically through my reading.

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Speaker 1: But talking to somebody who there there's really no replacement

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Speaker 1: so I gotta say this is it's it's the product

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Speaker 1: of get that. So yeah, before we get out of here. UM,

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Speaker 1: I always like to hear you plug your stuff, your

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Speaker 1: Twitter or Instagram, anything else that you want to uh

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Speaker 1: softwarep radio follow Yeah this is your you know. So

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Speaker 1: I listen to a podcast called I listen to so

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Speaker 1: many podcasts, but there is a kiss fan podcast called

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Speaker 1: three sides of the coin. It's actually really good. And

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Speaker 1: they'll always say like this is your Gene Simmons moment,

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Speaker 1: or you get to just plug whatever you want. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what we would call it, but uh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I get to tell you guys what a big deal

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Speaker 1: I am. Yeah, well, I guess you're don You go

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Speaker 1: to these links and follow me and eventually you'll make

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Speaker 1: me a big deal. Yeah. But you guys can always

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Speaker 1: find me on Facebook at Facebook dot com slash Alex

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Speaker 1: Hollings writer. You can find me on Twitter. I do

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Speaker 1: a lot more interacting on Twitter at Alex Hollings five

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Speaker 1: two and H. I just recently launched Alex Hollings dot

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Speaker 1: my stories published on news rep. You can find all

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Speaker 1: my appearances on places like softwarep radio UH and once

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Speaker 1: my book is for sale, you'll be able to find

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Speaker 1: it there too. Nice man, that's cool that you launched

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Speaker 1: uh a site for all of that, as like the

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Speaker 1: headquarters to see all that. I feel like everybody has

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Speaker 1: their own site. Now you know, the big guys at

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Speaker 1: now you that's cool. Yeah, you know it's all about

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Speaker 1: just trying to be a one stop shop. If you're

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Speaker 1: am I grateful that you are, And they'll turn my

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Speaker 1: But you know, you can always find me on the

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Speaker 1: It's funny because you know, the last shot at Luke

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Speaker 1: ryan on and Luke has a book that's now out

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Speaker 1: and it's just it's just fantastic. By the way, you read,

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Speaker 1: is an excellent book. I think I might have been

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Speaker 1: the first review on Amazon. So you read the whole book. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's awesome. It is a great book. Actually I have

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Speaker 1: I actually got to read a fair portion of it

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Speaker 1: before it was published and just got hooked. So it's

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Speaker 1: the minute it went on sale, I ordered it without

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Speaker 1: on it. That's cool, man, Yeah, you gotta support your

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Speaker 1: I agree with that, um, But yeah, what's interesting to

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Speaker 1: me is like all these guys I know who have

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Speaker 1: been on the show, who have written for the site

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Speaker 1: and stuff, like, you're all writing very different stuff. You know,

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Speaker 1: that book is a sci fi end of the world

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Speaker 1: of apocalypse type book. You're doing this book on just information,

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Speaker 1: um information on the academic analysis I suppose. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: want to call it that. If you're interested in buying it,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a thrill ride, nonstoff. You know jack Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, has written a series of fiction books but

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Speaker 1: look at Brandon's latest book, it's really a motivational type

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Speaker 1: thing of conquering Fear. And it's like all these veterans

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Speaker 1: are writing very different things. Or I could even throw

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Speaker 1: in or you know, he's a regular on on the podcast,

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Speaker 1: like Leo Jenkins, who's written so much stuff. His most

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Speaker 1: recent book was a poetry book that seems out of

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Speaker 1: left fields. But and I've read a lot of it,

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Speaker 1: I you know, because it's cool. You can just kind

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Speaker 1: You just kind of skim through it and read a

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Speaker 1: new poem when you can. Uh. But all these combat

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Speaker 1: the bottom of the news Rep articles. I can tell

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Speaker 1: conversation is different than writing a textbook, you know, It's

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Speaker 1: different than writing even a really you know, a real

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Speaker 1: hard hitting piece of news. If there's if it says

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01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: opinion at the front of something that I wrote, it

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01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: really means that I'm approaching this like a dialogue I'm

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01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 1: having with you across the kitchen table, you know. And

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Speaker 1: that's that's what news rep gives us. And I think

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01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 1: it makes sense that through that, through finding your voice

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01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 1: in that way, we end up exploring other things. You know.

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01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 1: Luke's Luke going into fiction to me seems perfectly organic.

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01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 1: He's such a natural fiction writer. Jack Murphy is another

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01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 1: good example of a guy who their real life experiences

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01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: inform their fiction in such a way that it doesn't

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01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: feel like fiction when you're reading it. You know it

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01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: really it feels grounded in reality. It's awesome, yeah, for sure. Um, So,

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Speaker 1: what articles could we expect to see from you in

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01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 1: the coming week or so on on news wrap other

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01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 1: than you know, actual news going on. Is there is

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01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 1: there anything in particular you're looking to focus on and

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01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 1: have some articles out in the coming days. You know,

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01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: I've been trying really hard to get more people to

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Speaker 1: pay more attention to China. Uh in large part because

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Speaker 1: China represents a bigger threat to the United States, both

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Speaker 1: militarily and diplomatically, but because they have a much because

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Speaker 1: they're much better at marketing themselves, we tend to think

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Speaker 1: of them more positively than we do Russia. You know.

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Speaker 1: The truth of the matter is the biggest threat to

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Speaker 1: the United States on the horizon is China, particularly in

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Speaker 1: the South China Sea. So I'm gonna try my best

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Speaker 1: and you'll see a lot more discussion on how China

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01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 1: is framing conversations about them in the in the global

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01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,879
Speaker 1: sphere to kind of give you a better sense of

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01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: what the real threat actually is in China. You know.

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01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: But some of the other things that you can expect

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01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 1: over the weekend, you'll probably see a story coming from

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01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 1: me about the change of command in Afghanistan that's taken place,

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01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 1: I believe on September two. I think that's on Sunday. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, in this the change of command to me,

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01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: you know, if you've ever seen the movie War Machine,

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01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,799
Speaker 1: it's it's playing out a whole lot like the beginning

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01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 1: in the end of War Machine. You know, General Nichols

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01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:33,799
Speaker 1: is departing and saying all the same thing previous commanders

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01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: have said as they departed, you know, and now we're

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Speaker 1: getting a new commander, and the Department of Defense is

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01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: releasing press release after press release saying, you know, we're

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Speaker 1: on the cusp of things changing in Afghanistan, and we

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01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: may well be, but you know, thus far, I haven't

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Speaker 1: really seen evidence to suggest that that we really are.

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Speaker 1: I have not seen that, to be honest. But as

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Speaker 1: I often say, you know that it's every time like

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Speaker 1: movies come up on this show, they're like, you haven't

1324
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Speaker 1: seen that, But like, I'm I'm really bored of music. Guy.

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01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 1: I know, I know a ton of music movies. I

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Speaker 1: am not well versed on by any means, but much

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Speaker 1: of the audience has seeing War Machine. War Machine got

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Speaker 1: mixed reactions from a lot of veterans. But you know

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Speaker 1: that the movie opens with a new commanding general, you know,

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Speaker 1: walking through the airport and heading into Afghanistan, and the

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Speaker 1: movie closes with effectively the exact same scene, with just

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Speaker 1: a different new commanding general, And that is a little

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Speaker 1: bit of what it looks like. We did have a

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Speaker 1: three day ceasefire in Afghanistan recently that people are touting

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01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: as a huge step towards peace, but you know, after

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01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: the Afghan government pitched a second ceasefire and the Taliban

1337
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 1: denied it. You know, really what we're seeing now as

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01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: a shift in strategy. We used to say that we

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Speaker 1: were going to stay in Afghanistan until we were victorious.

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Speaker 1: Now we say victory isn't really the outcome we're looking for.

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01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: A peace is the outcome we're looking for. So maybe

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01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:53,520
Speaker 1: that shift alone could be what changes things in Afghanistan.

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01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:56,719
Speaker 1: But until I see actual evidence to support the idea

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01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: that anything is different, it just kind of seems like

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01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 1: more of the same to me. Yeah. Man, Well, hey,

1346
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: always love having you on and regardless of you know,

1347
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,640
Speaker 1: probably having very little sleep, having a young daughter in

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01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 1: the house, and on top of that lime diseases you

1349
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 1: discussed earlier. You sound like a pretty energetic guy. To me,

1350
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: I would, by no means think that you have anything

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01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 1: going on. Well, I appreciate it, man, I'm excited to

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01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: be on that's when. Yeah, you know, you sound as

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01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 1: energetic as ever. I mean, I think of you as

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01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,799
Speaker 1: a very energetic guy, and you sound the same as always.

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01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 1: So it's just it's almost hard for me to believe

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01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 1: that you have all this stuff going on, but you do,

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01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 1: you know. I think just like anybody, a lot of

1358
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: the people listening and you personally can attest you know,

1359
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 1: when the going gets tough, the best thing you can

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01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: do is get to work. Yeah, you know, And that's

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01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 1: exactly how I've approached it, and it's kept me moving,

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01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: you know. So, and now I really I'm I'm on

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01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: the upswing, and uh, I think things are only gonna

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01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 1: get better from here. That's cool, man. Well, I help

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01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 1: people check out, you know, all your social media. You're

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01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 1: you're pretty active and showing your daughter growing up and

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01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,639
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and I'm glad that you're enjoying all

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01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, if you got I didn't mention my Instagram.

1369
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,759
Speaker 1: But if you're really interested in pictures of homemade knives

1370
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 1: and little girls but like only to say they're cute,

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01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: let's not be weird. You can always find me on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: And Alex Hale fifty two also cool. I thought, uh

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Speaker 1: is archetype fifty two? Is? Oh, it is archetype fifty two.

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01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:22,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is that I know your

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01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: Instagram and you don't. I'm gonna I'm gonna look at

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01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 1: this right now. Yeah, your archetype fifty two. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: what I meant to say. This whole time. I was

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Speaker 1: like Alex Hong fifty two because I knew that was Twitter.

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Speaker 1: But that's funny, dude. It's one of those funny things

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01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 1: that you just remember weird information like that. Um well,

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01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:43,679
Speaker 1: archetype archetypes a weird name, which is why I picked

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Speaker 1: it in the first place. I think the Fear Factory

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01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 1: album and my Instagram came about well before I was

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Speaker 1: a professional writer, so it was, you know, back in

1385
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 1: those days when I was just trying to be cool

1386
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 1: instead of getting attention. Nice man. All right, well, dude,

1387
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: great talking to you. Him and as always, people should

1388
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 1: check out the News rep dot com check out the

1389
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: latest from you enjoyed this weeks shows between you and

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01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 1: Luke Ryan, And I know that there's people in the

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01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 1: audience like, where the hell is Jack Murphy? He will

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01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 1: be back next week. It's been a while. It's been

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01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 1: about a month and a half with no Jack Murphy,

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01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:23,520
Speaker 1: and I mean he's an important part of this operation.

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01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:27,719
Speaker 1: Just been me holding it down. So hopefully, yeah, hopefully

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01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 1: have been in the country as well. Yeah, hopefully I've

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01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:32,599
Speaker 1: been doing a decent job in the eyes of you guys.

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Speaker 1: I did luckily have Jim West here for a couple episodes,

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Speaker 1: although one he was supposed to be in studio and

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01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 1: couldn't make it. But I did have them in studio

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01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 1: for one episode, which I think everybody enjoyed that video

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01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 1: of him swinging the knife around and demonstrated you saw

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01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 1: that right, Yeah, yeah, dude, he's he's like a master

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01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 1: with that stuff. The thing that's interesting about Jim is

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01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 1: I think if you just saw him in the streets,

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01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 1: you'd be you'd think he's like a regular sixty year

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01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:00,759
Speaker 1: old man. I mean, even though you work sality doesn't

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01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 1: holy admit to this. She doesn't really watch what he

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01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,559
Speaker 1: eats or drinks and all that. That's why you still

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01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 1: got a little bit of a gut going. He doesn't

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01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 1: necessarily look like a fit guy, but I will put

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Speaker 1: money on him over just about anybody in a combat situation.

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Speaker 1: You know, Honestly, even when you're looking at elite special

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01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 1: Operations teams, you know, they don't they work out and

1415
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 1: stuff like that, but they're never guys. I'm a big

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01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 1: workout guy, you know, I live in the gym. They're

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Speaker 1: they're very rarely guys that look like Jim Rats because

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01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: esthetic muscle doesn't serve a whole lot of purpose, you know,

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01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:33,679
Speaker 1: and a lot of combat scenarios. They're always just hard men.

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Speaker 1: That's what Jim west is. He's a hard man. I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of them become Jim Rats after they leave,

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01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, because it's like you will get pictures of

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01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: Nick Irving in combat and he's like a slimmer guy,

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01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:45,919
Speaker 1: and then you look at Nick Irving on his Instagram

1425
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 1: now and you're like, holy ship based, you know, you look,

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01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 1: you look at guys like Jim Weston reminds me of

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01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 1: that old saying like be where an old man in

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01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 1: a profession where men die young. You know, when when

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01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 1: you've just led that life for long enough, it's you know,

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01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: it's like my next door neighbors a welder, and when

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01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 1: you shake hands with him, you feel like you can

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01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 1: hammer nails into the palms of his hands. You know.

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01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 1: It's you lead a hard life, you become a hard man.

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Speaker 1: And that's what Jim West is. Well. So Brandon's latest

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01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: book is you know, um Mastering Fear, and Jim read it.

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Speaker 1: And the funny thing is Brandon has said on you know,

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Speaker 1: his podcast that we were doing power Thought, and I

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01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 1: think on here that you know, they're the only people

1439
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 1: who don't deal with fear or like you have to

1440
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 1: be stupid or just like crazy, Like everybody deals with

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01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 1: fear in some way. And when Jim was on the

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01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 1: podcast last time, like he read the whole book and

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01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 1: he loved it, and he's like, fear is not something

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01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 1: I've really dealt with in my life. So I think

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01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 1: he is on the crazy side. Well I would, so

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01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 1: I I don't necessarily, you know, because I'm I've always

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01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: been a fighter, you know, I've pursued fighting for a

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01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 1: long time. But I do have a different approach than

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01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 1: Jim West does. For instance, I'm I'm a big believer

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01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 1: in not having to hate the person you're fighting. I'm

1451
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 1: a big believer in not having to hate that person

1452
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 1: in combat, even because it's I think that the fight

1453
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:07,599
Speaker 1: is its own thing in my mind, the fight, the conflict,

1454
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 1: the struggle is its own entity onto itself, and I

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01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 1: don't need to bring emotion into it in order to

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01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 1: operate in that sphere. But that's how my brain works.

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01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 1: That's not how all brains work, you know. So Jim

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01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: West is a good example of his brain might not

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01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 1: work the same way that mine does. The man who Man,

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01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 1: do I respect the way his brain works? Yeah? I mean,

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01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:29,679
Speaker 1: but I just I genuinely believe him when he says

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01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,640
Speaker 1: he doesn't really deal with fear. I do too, you

1463
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, I believe it too, you know. Honestly,

1464
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:37,679
Speaker 1: out of some guys, iuto some guys i'd call bullshits

1465
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 1: exactly out of most of them, I would. But Jim,

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01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 1: he's a genuine dude. Yeah. All right, man, Well I'll

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01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 1: let you get back to writing and your daughter and

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01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 1: all that other great stuff. Thanks for joining me out

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01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 1: because I I really appreciate it. Man and Man, it's

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01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:55,799
Speaker 1: always a pleasure. Thanks for having a lot. They're listening

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Speaker 1: to self recreating a new episode. It's up every Rainsday

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Speaker 1: and Friday. Follow the show on Instagram and Twitter at

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