1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: the show, fellow Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so 3 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: much for tuning in. Let's hear it for our super producer, 4 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: Max the Madman. 5 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 2: Williams screaming for ice cream. Yeah, I love ice cream. 6 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 2: It's delicious. 7 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: And that's mister Noel Brown, none other than And you're 8 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: Ben Bullin and I am Ben Bullen. And today, in 9 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: typical Ridiculous History fashion, given that it is a colder 10 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: time of the year and our Fairmantrop Bliss of Atlanta, 11 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: we decided to do an episode about a specific version 12 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: of ice cream. And I can't remember if I told you, 13 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: nol MX, but when circumstances found me in Vienna as 14 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: the weather was turning several years ago, was quite cold, 15 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: and surprise, surprise, people were still lining up for ice cream. 16 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: Austrians love ice cream in all versions. 17 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, yeah, I mean, I don't blame them. It's 18 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: a delightful confection and I don't find it to be 19 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 2: necessarily seasonal. If you're indoors and you have climate control, 20 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 2: what's stopping you from eating ice cream? 21 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: Right? And you have to have some kind of climate 22 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,279 Speaker 1: control to make ice cream in the first place. 23 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: My gosh, we should do an episode on the history 24 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: of ice And one of my favorite phrases you ever 25 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 2: used that still occurs to me sometimes is once, oh, 26 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: a few years ago, we were making some videos for 27 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 2: stuff they Don't Want you to do, and you described 28 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: part of the good life as iced creams. Oh. Yes, 29 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: of course I love iced creams. Yes, I like that. 30 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: I like like egg creams, which contains neither egg nor cream. 31 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, the pity of the formula, right, we don't have 32 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: to relitigate that one. But we do have something to 33 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: bring to you today, fellow ridiculous historians. It's something that 34 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: caught the eye of our research associate superproducer Max Williams 35 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: for this episode. The concept of the ice cream Sunday 36 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: conventionally spelled here in the US, not like the day 37 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: of the week, but s U N. 38 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 2: D a e s one of those things you see 39 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: and you're like, I don't know, maybe it's it's given 40 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 2: you pause where you're like, is that what is this? 41 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 2: Is this an invented word? 42 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 3: Uh? 43 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 2: And I realized in reading this brief Max, I'd never 44 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: really questioned it. I don't believe. But then the moment 45 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: that I started looking into your research, I was like, 46 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: of course that's weird. Why in the hell is it 47 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: spelled that way? And of course it has something to 48 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 2: do with religion. 49 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: Right, Yes, as we'll see. So let's begin with an 50 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 1: excellent article slash Investigation by Cory Ryan Earl, writing for 51 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: the Kenelians. 52 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 2: Cornellians. 53 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, from Cornell, a semi famous university in Ithaca, New York. 54 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 2: Right, shout out to my buddy James, the Cornell alone 55 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: one of them Ivy leagues. If I'm not mistaken, it 56 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 2: is true. That is true. 57 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: No, and congrats James. Those schools so our buddy Corey says, 58 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: the ice cream Sunday is an American staple. This simple 59 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: and customizable treat simply put scoops of ice cream with 60 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: some sort of sauce and toppings, gained popularity in the 61 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: early twentieth century. Now, if you go to Corey's research, 62 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: you'll see that there's a strong argument the ice cream 63 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: Sunday originated in Ithaca, New York. However, as we will learn, 64 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: with so many inventions that may not be entirely the case. Spoiler, 65 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: Wisconsin is going to enter the chat a little bit later, 66 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: maybe we get to what about this, Maybe we get 67 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: to the origin story that Corey Earl gives. 68 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 2: Us for sure. Can we also just get it out 69 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: of the way right up front? Ice cream with sauce 70 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: and toppings. Not the most unique take. It probably was 71 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: done by a couple of folks, you know, for the 72 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 2: quote unquote first time. The idea of calling it a 73 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 2: Sunday is I think what's at question was at the 74 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 2: heart of this investigation. So yeah, it's almost more branding 75 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: one hundred percent yep. And then why the hell is 76 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: it spelled that way? Well, we're gonna get to it. 77 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: So. 78 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 2: Plattin Cult's drug Store was a soda fountain shop operating 79 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: in downtown Ithaca on two sixteen East State Street. One day, 80 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 2: according to lore Chester, Platt, the proprietor of said drug 81 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: store slash soda fountain, stopped by the shop after church 82 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 2: on Sunday, where he attended at Ithaca's first Unitarian church. 83 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: Which is interesting for the time universal Unitarianism could be 84 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: its own episode. 85 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 2: Very progressive. I grew up hanging with some Unitarians and 86 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 2: they would always host like metal shows in there, like 87 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 2: a fellowship hall, which I thought was pretty cool. So 88 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: we would play, you know, shows at the Unitarian church 89 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 2: there in Augusta. So yeah, the first Unitarian church. He 90 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 2: actually came with a with a guest to his shop, 91 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: the Reverend John Scott, and Platte asked his soda fountain 92 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 2: worker one de Forest Christians, I love the name, the 93 00:05:54,760 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 2: fabulous name, to prepare two dishes of vanilla ice cream. Now, well, 94 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,799 Speaker 2: let's set the stage here, folks. We are again on Sunday, 95 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,679 Speaker 2: mid afternoon, April third, eighteen ninety two, where a Platin 96 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 2: Colt's drug store and the guy who is bringing his guest, 97 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: a man of local renowned the reverend. The guy, the 98 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 2: proprietor Chester is trying to flex a little bit, so 99 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,239 Speaker 2: we say he's probably saying to the Reverend John Scott, 100 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 2: you know, get whatever you want, Reverend. Don't order the 101 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: lobster because we probably don't have it. But you know, 102 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 2: if you want to throw something on this vanilla ice cream, 103 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: be my guest. And so accounts different again per Corey 104 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 2: Earle as to which man chose the specific toppings for 105 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 2: this vanilla ice cream. Ultimately they ended up with ice 106 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: cream that was not just vanilla, but it had cherry 107 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 2: syrup and a candied cherry atop the scoop. Now it 108 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: would have been the kind of cherry syrup they would 109 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: have used in the soda fountain problem. So this was 110 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 2: not like we did not yet have bespoke ice cream toppings. Yeah, 111 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 2: and they had to kind of use what was available. 112 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: Hence the lore of it all. One man asked the other, 113 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: which one asked, who is still as history mystery what 114 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 2: the new concoction might be called? The reply was a 115 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 2: cherry Sunday, in honor of its creation day. 116 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: Get it, because it's Sunday, we put cherries on it, 117 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We're today, we're doing our thing, 118 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: and we're also a bit unitarian and unorthodox because we're 119 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: putting soda syrup. 120 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 2: It's a bit of a cross of the sacred and 121 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: the profane, you might argue, you know, I mean, ice 122 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 2: cream is sort of an indulgence, a bit of a 123 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: naughty treat. 124 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: I like the papal reference. Also, we have to admit that, 125 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: we have to admit that American nomenclature has had a 126 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: weird headway and with the phrase vanilla, because now vanilla 127 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: is meant to describe something very beige and unremarkable. But 128 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: civilizations absolutely rose and fell based on vanilla as a spice. 129 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: So it's weird for sure, and you know, it does 130 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:22,239 Speaker 1: make me think too. This idea of christening a dairy based, 131 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: you know, treat after the Lord's Day is pretty progressive 132 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: considering that, you know, in the past, the Catholic Church 133 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: might have, you know, forced you to put a buck 134 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: in that butter box in order to consume a tasty 135 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: dairy treat. Right, yeah, And you can hear various games 136 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: of telephone regarding the Sunday origin story, and some of 137 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: these pieces of anecdote or apocrypha will suggest that students 138 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: at Cornell helped popularize this idea. They also wanted their 139 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: vanilla with a little bit of cherry, the concept being, 140 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: or the argument being, that they witnessed the debut of 141 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: this secret off menu item, and they kept coming back 142 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: to pratting cults and ordering the new treat just the 143 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: same way the reverend did. And then they would go 144 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: on vacation on the constitutionals and they would come back 145 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: to the town after graduation and they would say, oh, 146 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: we want that platin cult off menu special item, not 147 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: just vanilla. Creams for us, but please with some cherry 148 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: sauce and a cherry at top. Please, Yes, pretty please 149 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: with a cherry on top. I like the etymology there, Noel, 150 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: we also see the Platin cult leaned into this. Over 151 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: the next several weeks, they would run advertisements in the 152 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: local paper, the Daily Sun, advertising what they called the 153 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: Cherry Sunday spelled at this point s U n. 154 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: D A y Well. I mean, soda fountain history has 155 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 2: a lot in common with diner history and the idea 156 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 2: of like daily specials and stuff like that, you know, 157 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 2: so this sort of falls into that in an interesting way. 158 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 2: We're gonna get to more of of how that's the 159 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: case in a little bit. But we've got another potential 160 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 2: version of the story in the form of Wisconsin, who 161 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 2: has now entered the chat. 162 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 1: Absolutely not, this is the origin story. This is our 163 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: shortest episode ever. Thank you for tuning in, and sorry 164 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: about the ads. 165 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 2: Fun Let's talk about Wisconsin. Scratch, nice scratch Wisconsin people. 166 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 2: Oh god, they're so nice, and they, you know, are 167 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: a bit more dairy centric over there and very little 168 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 2: so record scratch. 169 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: Wisconsin has entered the Chat. Let's go to Dean Robbins 170 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: for Wisconsin Life, he says, and I'm not going to 171 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: do the voice. I like driving across Wisconsin to see 172 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: a legendary historical sites. I planned whole trips around the 173 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: Euclaire baseball field where Hank Aaron got a start, and 174 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 1: the Janesville House where Abraham Lincoln spent the night, which 175 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: is his story for another day. But every once in 176 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: a while, says Dean, I stumble across a bit of 177 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: Wisconsin history. I knew nothing about. That happened on a 178 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: recent drive through the northeast part of the state. When 179 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: I pulled into two rivers in Central Park, I noticed 180 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: an official Wisconsin historical marker claiming it as the birthplace 181 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: of the ice cream Sunday spelled Sundae, which is oddly 182 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: a bit Korean. 183 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 2: Any Wait a minute, now, they can't. They don't just 184 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 2: pass out historical markers willy nilly, right, so the guy continues, 185 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: Dean continues, coincidentally, my favorite dessert. 186 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: Could such a major phenomenon have originated in this small town? 187 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: Let's learn more about the marker. 188 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 2: On the marker, it claims that a local man by 189 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 2: the name of George Hallower. Too many very similar story 190 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 2: walked into a soda fountain fifteenth Street there in Eau 191 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 2: Claire in eighteen eighty one. This is eleven years. However, 192 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 2: prior to the previous origin story, he asked the proprietor 193 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 2: of this soda fountain, one Edward Berner, to top a 194 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 2: dish of ice cream off with some chocolate sauce, a 195 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 2: substance that had previously been only used for ice cream sodas, 196 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 2: which is of course a thanks scoop of ice cream 197 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 2: like a root beer float. Also, chocolate sauce would have 198 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: been used in those egg creams we were talking about 199 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: a minute ago. This new concoction says, the marker caught 200 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 2: on and Berner began to sell them for a nickel, 201 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 2: but only on Sundays. 202 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: Only on Sundays, and as we have proven in previous 203 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: episodes of this and many other shows, capitalism manufactured scarcity right. However, However, 204 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: out of all the people who might have walked in 205 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: on a Saturday or a Tuesday and unsuccessfully attempted to 206 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: order this nickel chocolate sauce iced cream, there was a 207 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: ten year old girl who must have had a lot 208 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: of charm about her. She said she wants her dish 209 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: of ice cream, well with that stuff on the top 210 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: on a different day of the week. Now our buddy, 211 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: our momentary protagonist, the proprietor, Edward Berner. He says, absolutely 212 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: not until this girl, who again is just rolling that 213 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 1: twenties on diplomacy. 214 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 2: Regular Shirley Temple. 215 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, just so she says, well, you know, 216 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: mister b why don't we just pretend it is Sunday 217 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: that he's going. He's not a monster, he's not gonna 218 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: be rude to a child. So he says, okay, very well, 219 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: because you are so arming, and so Shirley templish, we'll 220 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: give it to you. That opens the flight gates. Other 221 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: kids here about it. They call them scamps. Patted him 222 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: on the head, you know, I get yeah, you little rumplements. 223 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: And so the shopkeeper, I'm okay with it. 224 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 2: It's an Apartif I'm not mistaken, I can't remember. 225 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: I just think it's a fun word. So this spreads 226 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: like any other popular treat or toy amid the children, 227 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: amid the juvenile populace, and the shopkeeper can't if he 228 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: says yes to one kid, he's got to say yes 229 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: to the other ones. So they start offering the dish 230 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: every day, and they start offering it in more flavors. Again, 231 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: this is pretty apocryphal. But now we've got Wisconsin versus 232 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: New York for the origin of the Sunday. Now our 233 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: next question is which of these stories is true. So 234 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: if we go back to Corey Earle, we'll see that 235 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: he looks into this origin or providence of the chocolate 236 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: Sunday or the Sunday is a concept right for his 237 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: case in Ithaca, it's the cherry Sunday, and he says, look, 238 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: if you check out the publications of the time, then 239 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: you will see the first use of the word Sunday 240 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: referring to this dessert does show up in the Ithaca 241 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: Daily Journal on Tuesday, April fifth, eighteen ninety two, just 242 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: two days after local Lore says this confection was created. 243 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 2: Right, and then we have another notice published in the 244 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 2: Daily Sun the next day, Cherry Sunday a delicious, dainty 245 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: ice cream novelty just out yesterday at Platin Colts Fountain 246 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: and nowhere else. Earl goes on. Platin. Coult's claim is 247 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 2: bolstered by its attempts to trademark the term Sunday. Evidence 248 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: by a letter dated March twenty third, eighteen ninety four 249 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 2: in Chester Platt's collected papers that are held in archive 250 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 2: at the University Library's Rare and Manuscript Collections. So as 251 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 2: far as the wisconstant claim goes Robbins, the historical nemesis 252 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: of Earl. Now, I'm sure they're cool, goes on. The 253 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 2: most aggressive challenger is Ithaca, referring to the Wisconsin claim 254 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 2: New York, which points to a nineteenth century newspaper article 255 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 2: or ad rather are for a locally served Sunday as 256 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 2: referred to above. In a New York Times article on 257 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 2: the dispute, Ithaca's mayor through some serious shade at Two Rivers, 258 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 2: saying we have the historical documents to prove it, and 259 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: they don't. Two Rivers wouldn't take this sitting or lying down, 260 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 2: and they passed a resolution. There's a RealD beef going on. 261 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 2: No trouble right here in Two Rivers City. The city 262 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 2: passed a resolution demanding the Ithaca cease and desist with 263 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 2: its Sunday's landers. It said, man, this is getting heated. 264 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: I do want to point out the Chester Platte you 265 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: did something awesome. I've always i have always speculated over 266 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 1: whether my collective works will end up in a university 267 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 1: library's rare manuscript collection. 268 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 2: It's pretty tight. I hope that far. It's the dream. 269 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: It's a dream for sure. Let us not forget that, Nola, 270 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: you did a pretty solid reference to trouble right here 271 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: in River City. Phenomenal musical number. 272 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 3: Uh. 273 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: If we're trying to figure out whether these folks in 274 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: Ithaca and two Rivers are actually beefed up, we have 275 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: to get an outside opinion. So if you go to 276 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: trade groups like US Food, you'll see articles here's the 277 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: best one. You'll see articles like a brief history of 278 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: the ice Cream Sunday s U n d Ae. Who look, 279 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: they delve into it as an objective third party. They 280 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: cannot figure out the providence, and they make the whole 281 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: thing even more of a slappy bowl of ice cream 282 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: because they point out that there are not just these two, 283 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: but several other cities who claim to invent to have 284 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: invented the ice cream Sunday, including New Orleans and Eveston, Illinois. 285 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: So now we have to maybe loop Illinois and Louisiana 286 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: and this conversation. Look, we already have a ton of 287 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 1: we already have a ton of episodes that hinge on 288 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 1: New York, Illinois and Louisiana because we clearly listen to 289 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: those first two soft John Stevens albums and decided that 290 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: we were going to make an episode for every state. 291 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: And yes, Discounts is our Wisconsin episode. We're in on 292 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: a technicality. 293 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 2: Heck, yeah, love a technicality. So what's the deal? Which 294 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 2: story is true? As often is the case in these 295 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 2: types of history mysteries, not entirely clear even to this day. 296 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And with that, the mystery remains unsolved. The 297 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: riddle remains ridiculous, ridliculous. I'm gonna keep it and Max, 298 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: thank you for the drum riff on that. When one 299 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: of the big questions we had the hopefully the same 300 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 1: question you had, fellow ridiculous historians, one that we posed 301 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: at the beginning of this episode, why is it now 302 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: spelled sun day s U N d A E and 303 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: not sun day s U and d A Y. 304 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 2: What happened? Yeah, it's like we teased at the top. 305 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 2: The idea is an Evanston, Illinois, which was often referred 306 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 2: to as Heavenstone ill because it was known for being 307 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 2: a bit Bible Thumpy, they passed a city ordinance banning 308 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 2: the sale of ice cream sodas on Sunday. We've talked 309 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 2: about these blue laws often. Some have been in effect 310 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 2: still to this day, and in fact, in South Carolina 311 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 2: across the bridge from my hometown. I distinctly remember when 312 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 2: I was a student in college needing to repair something, 313 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: or needing like a shower curtain or some kind of 314 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 2: household item, and being denied purchasing them at the local 315 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 2: hardware store. And that was the first time I was 316 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 2: kind of made aware of what blue laws were. But 317 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 2: they are these puritanical sort of prohibitions of certain items 318 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 2: that are not considered to be necessities or even could 319 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 2: be considered more like indulgences. Alcohol sale on Sundays would 320 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 2: certainly be considered one of these blue laws, and I'm 321 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 2: sure there are still places in the country that do that, 322 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 2: and there are of course dry counties. Well, but yeah, 323 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 2: they needed a workaround, didn't they been, Yeah, they did. 324 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: Blue laws are a very strange phenomenon, not unique to 325 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: the United States. So Heavenston Evanston is getting a little 326 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: bit persnicty about their fundamentalist approach to recreation and to 327 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: what they see as vice. So thanks again to Jeff 328 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,479 Speaker 1: Wells writing for Mental Floss, which is where we're pulling 329 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: this from. The Methodist Church which runs the town of 330 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: Evanston doesn't like that there are a lot of crowds 331 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: going to local soda fountains, perhaps in place of going 332 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: to church. So the soda fountains and drug stores came 333 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,959 Speaker 1: up with this workaround and they started calling it not 334 00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: an ice cream soda, but a Sunday soda. Here's a 335 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: former newspaper editor named Richard Lloyd Jones who grew up 336 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: in Evanston at the time, and he said, look, here's 337 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: what they did. They served ice cream with the syrup 338 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: of your choice, the stuff that would ordinarily go in 339 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: your favorite soda, without the soda. So it was technically 340 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: not an ice cream soda. It was just ice cream 341 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:26,360 Speaker 1: and the syrup. 342 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 2: They were upset about the soda, not the ice cream. 343 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: The specific ingredients were the problems, so they removed one 344 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: of the ingredients, which means they technically complied with the law. 345 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 2: I guess that it's funny that there's this whole hullabaloo 346 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 2: around ice cream sodas versus just sodas or just ice cream. 347 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 2: It's like the combination of them makes it like more decadent. 348 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 2: It's two decaded for Sunday. 349 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 3: And this is. 350 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: Something that reminds me of again that excellent song You 351 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: Got Trouble, originally written by Robert Preston, where he talks about, uh, 352 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: you know, the the first thing a kid is gonna 353 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: do is start wearing knickerbockers. 354 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 2: You'll hear him say so is your old man? Uh yeah, he'll. 355 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: Trouble sleep it in the core crip. Well, never mind 356 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: the Dan lines getting pulled. 357 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,479 Speaker 2: Oh man, it's okay. With a capital T that rhymes 358 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: with P that stands for pool. 359 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, well the capital B and that rhymes with P 360 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: and that stands for pool, and your youth will be 361 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: frittering away. So it is a great song, and please 362 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: do check out SETH McFarland's cover of it. I don't 363 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: know if anybody's seen it, but the man has perfect pitch. 364 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: He's a phenomenal musician. 365 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 2: He's a great singer and a great voice artist in 366 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 2: his comedy ticularly Also, the New Its series on HBO 367 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 2: IS makes great use of this exact sequence from the 368 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 2: music Man as a as A as A motif in 369 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 2: the first episode. 370 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, the name of that show is Welcome to Darry. 371 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 1: We're big fans of it. If you're checking out HBO 372 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: or Max already do check out The Chair Company, which 373 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: we are absolutely gaga for anyway. So, because of this loophole, 374 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: the Sunday Soda succeeded where other approaches in Evanston failed. 375 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: They went with another name change to avoid offending the 376 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: church so that they did not. 377 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 2: They did not. 378 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: Have the Lord's Day Day associated with this confection, so 379 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: they changed it to be spelled s u n d A. 380 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 1: That's the theory at least. 381 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 2: Right Yeah, no, but it makes sense though, I mean, 382 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 2: whether that's the case or not, the wanting to keep 383 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 2: that branding and keep that you know, everyone knows who 384 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 2: this thing is now, but also not run a foul 385 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 2: of any you know, religious organizations. I could see it. 386 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 2: But can you Are there any other clever ways you 387 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 2: could you could reappropriate Sunday other than AE? 388 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, Yeah you could. You could call it 389 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: su u n That's sure. You could call it you know, 390 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 1: you could just elongate the vowels mm hmm, yeah, you 391 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: could do that, or s. 392 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 3: U n d ee heyway, so the the there's a 393 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 3: murky bit of historical mystery here, but we do know 394 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 3: again leaning on the research of Corey Earl, that in 395 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 3: a nineteen o two article in a magazine called the Spatula, 396 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 3: which was sort of a trade uh trade rag for pharmacists, 397 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 3: you don't understand what to do with pharmacists, but I guess, yeah, yeah, 398 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 3: I guess spachelas were much more important in pharmacology at 399 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 3: the time. 400 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: They they described the growing popularity of the Sunday spelled 401 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: s u n d ae. So that proves that this 402 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 1: spelling had become popularized, normalized, and accepted by the end 403 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 1: of the by the turn of the twentieth century. Wisconsin's 404 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: idea of Wisconsin's defense of the spelling change and the 405 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: providence is tough because most of them have been drinking 406 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: too much to give us a straight answer. 407 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 2: Too much milk. Sure, and we'll go with that. 408 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: With that, we have we have a bunch of other 409 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: stuff that we we wanted to get to, but we're 410 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: just gonna mention too. 411 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 2: For time. 412 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: You can't talk about the original og Sunday without talking 413 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: about the infamous banana split. 414 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 2: Well that's the thing, man, It starts to really occur 415 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 2: to me that this idea of a Sunday is such 416 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 2: a catch all because like I think, all banana splits 417 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 2: are Sundays, but not all sundays or banana splits. It's 418 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 2: one of those kind of like ven Diagram things because 419 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 2: it is literally just an ice cream Sunday ad banana right. 420 00:26:59,280 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 421 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: And you could even argue that an ice cream Sunday 422 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 1: is kind of a tactic or that's aproach more so 423 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: than a list of discrete ingredients. 424 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because it can be anything. I mean, that's 425 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 2: why it's so, it's why it seems to be such 426 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 2: parallel thinking. And the use of Sunday is really the 427 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 2: only mystery here, because ice cream on its own is great, 428 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 2: But who wasn't going to decide to, you know, drizzle 429 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 2: some stuff on top of it. 430 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 1: You've got other stuff that you can add in about 431 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: olive oil and ice cream. 432 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,479 Speaker 2: I have good, yeah, good, nice grassy olive oil. Yeah. 433 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: I like that you point out grassy because not all 434 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 1: olive oil is created equally. 435 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 2: And you got that out with a plum, my friend, 436 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. 437 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: So the history of the banana split, according to the 438 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: Great American banana split celebration is a real thing. 439 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 440 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: It starts when a kid who's like twenty three years 441 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: old named Dave Strickler is working in Latrobe, Pennsylvania, and 442 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: he starts combining different stuff with ice cream. 443 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 2: Real mad scientists there, Yeah, very much so. 444 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: And he he ends up splitting a banana in half 445 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: length wise. He adds vanilla, chocolate and strawberry or we 446 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: know he adds three scoops. We don't know what they 447 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: were originally, and then he puts syrup, nuts, swipt cream 448 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: and a little cherry on it and people love it. 449 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 2: Remember that terrifying hr puffin stuff. Ask the television show 450 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 2: the Banana Splits, I do horrifying hor They look like 451 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 2: the Rock of Fire explosion band from Chuckie Cheese came 452 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 2: to life and started a psychedelic band. 453 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: Oh god, I mean honestly, I just read this and 454 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, this guy just sounds like he's like 455 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: super high, Like he just comes in He's. 456 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 2: Like totally yeah, throw it in there. 457 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: Also, at this point in time, he without getting into 458 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: the weeds of chronology, our buddy Dave does not have 459 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: a cell phone, so he's not on social media. He's 460 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: sitting around and if it's a slow day, he's got 461 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: to find something to fill his time. And that happened 462 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: to be mad Science experiments with confections. 463 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 3: You know. 464 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 2: That's why the sixties are fine. That's why, like you know, 465 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 2: period films are so important and and fun, like the 466 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 2: new it thing takes place in the sixties where kids 467 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 2: had to go outside and play and make stuff and 468 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 2: trying funny ingredients on their ice streak from a hose. 469 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 2: There you go. 470 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, Mom says, I can't come back in the afternoon 471 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: because the milkman's coming over, and then the post office worker, 472 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: and then I still have to be home before dark. 473 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 2: Is there some hanky panking going on between mom and 474 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 2: the and the milkman? 475 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: Who are we to pank the hank? We can't say. However, 476 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: one thing that's always on our mind with this kind 477 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: of stuff is the most outrey, the most ostentatious, the 478 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: most opulent version of a nice cream. 479 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 2: How much could a banana cost? 480 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: Michael right, exactly so per the Guinness Book World Records. 481 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: As we found out, this is something w end on. 482 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: The World's most expensive ice cream ever comes from Japan 483 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: from a company called salato. 484 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. I saw a video of somebody eating one of 485 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 2: these and they were like it's fine, you know, like 486 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 2: A yeah, I mean because the sticker shock of something 487 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 2: like that, there's no way it can live up to 488 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 2: the high There's just no possible way. And a big 489 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 2: part of this cost is that, of course it's like 490 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 2: covered in gold leaf and has like you know, finest 491 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 2: Parmesano Reggiano cheeses and some sort of byproduct of sake 492 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 2: that's like, uh, do you know about this ben sake? 493 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 2: Le's isn't like the way that comes from the cheese, 494 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 2: like the curry. Okay, that's a that's a good comparison. Yeah, 495 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 2: they're claim to fame. This Japanese company is an ice 496 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 2: cream called b. 497 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: Y A k u y a. 498 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 3: Uh. 499 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: They source white truffles from Alba, Italy. Like you like 500 00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: you said Pamagano Reggiano. Uh, the sake lees I that 501 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: comparison you're making to kurds and whey, they're they're the 502 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: leftover stuff. 503 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,719 Speaker 2: There's a ton of gold leaf, folks. 504 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: If you want a scoop of this ice cream, you're 505 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: paying six thousand, six hundred and ninety six US dollars 506 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: for four point four ounces. I'm gonna pass. 507 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a hard pass for me. But if you 508 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 2: do want to check it out and see somebody react 509 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 2: to it, you can go to it looks like Insider Food. No, 510 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 2: here we are. There's an even better one. BuzzFeed video 511 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 2: did it. This is the one where they're kind of 512 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 2: like it's man on Tasty as well as on Insider Food. 513 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 2: Is the world's most expensive ice cream worth its price tag? 514 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the answer is going to be probably not, 515 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: just to be honest. Also, ice cream is a flavor medium, 516 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: which means you can put all sorts of flavors upon 517 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: that frozen dairy confection. I've had blue cheese ice cream. 518 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: I didn't hate it. I've had every everything. Bagel ice 519 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: cream appeals to me. 520 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 2: That's somewhat appeals to me. 521 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't mad at it, but it felt like the 522 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,959 Speaker 1: scoop took a while. They're all all sorts of flavors. 523 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I like. I like cereal milk 524 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 2: ice cream. There was a Mama Fuku had like a 525 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 2: little soft survey place. I don't know if they do 526 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 2: it anymore. It was called Momofuku Milk Bar. But not 527 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 2: to be confused with milk bar, the other cookie you know, 528 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 2: confectionery place. But they had Cereal milk ice cream, which 529 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 2: I think they made by like soaking like fruity pebbles 530 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 2: in milk and then using that milk to make the 531 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 2: ice cream. But one that I really dug there was 532 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 2: a little odd seeming was cream corn. Very tasty. 533 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: I wasn't opposed. I was also surprised by mac and 534 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: cheese ice cream. Pickle ice cream was interesting, but I'm 535 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: also quite compelled by the future of spiced ice cream. 536 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 2: Spiced cream. Yeah, yeah, with that, we can't wait to 537 00:32:58,840 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 2: spice must flow. 538 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: Yes, the spice bus flow. We can't wait to hear 539 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: from you, folks. Hop on over to our Facebook page, 540 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Historians. Give us some of your favorite weird ice 541 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: cream flavors. Who are we to judge one person's weird 542 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: as another person's Thursday? 543 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 2: Tell you someone's young, right, you know, live and let lift. 544 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, as long as you're not hurting somebody else, right, 545 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: uh so. Big thanks to our super producer mister Max 546 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: Williams as well as our research associate for today's episode, 547 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: and big thanks to Alex Williams who composed this Slap 548 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: and bop has breaking news nol Jonathan Strickland aka the 549 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: Twister invited us to go see a play. 550 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 2: I did not receive this invites. 551 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: Okay, I'll forward the email. He's not performing in it, 552 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: so so we're. 553 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 2: Gonna give you as to forward. And I don't think 554 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 2: I was invited. Just put that out there, Just put. 555 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: It out so we'll say, we'll say this, you get 556 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: a pass this time in the credits, Twister, We're not 557 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: gonna dump on. 558 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 2: I also thought you were gonna say has died. Just 559 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 2: throw that in as you said it a little little 560 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 2: known fact that Jonathan Strickland, the Quizz has died and 561 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 2: now he lives. He lives. 562 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,439 Speaker 1: I would just be like, okay, and who else? Noel? 563 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 2: Who else? He's unkillable? 564 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: Frankly, yeah, he rises faster and stronger. 565 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 2: You can't kill an idea, you can't kill a concept. 566 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: Of he can't stop the signal. Also big thanks to 567 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 1: doctor Rachel Big Spinach Lance and A. J. Bahamas Jacobs. 568 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: Who else? Who else? 569 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a jbj that's what we call him. Who else? Gosh, 570 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 2: Chris Frosciotis and Eves Jeff Co's here in spirit, I'm 571 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 2: gonna throw my hat in the ring to thank Max 572 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 2: again for this awesome research doc. And thanks to you Ben, 573 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 2: this has really been a fun conversation. 574 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: And thanks to you, Cory, Ryan Earl, thanks to you 575 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: Dean Robbins, and thanks to all the bored soda jerks 576 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: of yesteryear. 577 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 2: We'll see you next time, folks. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, 578 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 2: visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen 579 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 2: to your favorite shows.