WEBVTT - Put Words In Someone Else's Mouth with Jenny Bicks... 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:04.880 Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:10.920 you a Charlotte? And we are back with Jenny Biggs 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:15.280 so much funder Yay? All right, Jenny. I want to 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:18.320 talk to you because every different person that I've had 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:20.639 on from the show, I ask about the beginning and 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:25.160 I learned something new every time. It is amazing. So 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:29.920 for you take us back nineteen ninety seven, nineteen ninety eight. Yeah, 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.159 how did you come about being a writer on our show? 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:33.519 Oh? My goodness? 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:37.720 It was such a thunderbolt of luck, is what happened. 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:41.680 So I had worked on a little CBS sitcom called 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:46.360 The Five Missus Buchanans Okay with Michael Patrick oh or 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:48.040 Actually he would come in one day a week as 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:50.120 the punch up guy. He was super scary. He would 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:53.159 walk in and have like his whole script of notes 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:55.320 and you would be like, oh my god, this guy 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:58.120 is so good. Yeah, and he's pitching all these amazing jokes, 0:00:58.120 --> 0:00:59.040 and then you would disappear. 0:00:59.200 --> 0:00:59.720 Oh my god. 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:02.120 But obviously I made some kind of impression on it, 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:04.800 maybe just my scared face every time you walk in. 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:09.640 And when they were a couple episodes in, I got 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.600 a call from Michael in on Sex and the City. 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:15.360 I got a call from him saying, hey, listen, we're 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:18.080 doing this kind of crazy show. I think you'd be 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:22.399 really perfect to write it. Come and write an episode 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:22.840 with us. 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:23.679 And you were in La. 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.800 I was in La and I had just finished up 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:27.440 on Seinfeld. 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:27.920 Yeah. 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:31.800 I think I was trying to recall, but I think 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.199 there wasn't an episode yet for me to watch because 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:35.640 it was that early. So I think they probably sent 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:39.880 me the pilot episode h and I script and I 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:41.880 read it and I was like, my head kind of 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:45.720 blew off because it was like, we've never what is this, 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:50.360 We've never talked about things like this. It's written differently. 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:55.760 I'm fascinated it's me. It's not me women in their 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:57.120 early thirties dating. 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:57.680 That was me. 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:01.840 So I said, of course, I will do this fantastic thing. 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:06.760 And Michael and Darren and I got together and started 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:10.239 throwing around ideas and ended up with what became three 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:10.799 as a Crowd. 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:14.200 Ah. Yeah, and that so that was your first episode, 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:16.640 And did you just you were just brought on to 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:17.079 do that one. 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:19.120 I was brought on to do that episode and then 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:22.000 then after that to consult. So after that I was 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:26.560 working on the remainder of the episodes, and then I 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:28.120 stayed because why wouldn't you. 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:33.320 I'm absolutely and in my mind, because I have the 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:37.079 most weird memories of the first season, like very hit 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:39.520 and miss, like even just rewatching, I was like, I 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:43.280 do not remember hardly any of this, which is rare, okay, 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:47.720 but like for me, I don't remember you coming as 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:50.000 early as you came, because I had said right away 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:51.520 when we started the podcast, I need to have Jenny 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.040 bix on, but I want to wait till her episode comes, 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:55.960 and I'm worried that it's not till second season because 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:58.639 in my mind, you guys didn't come till later. But 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:02.680 I think also because we weren't together all the time 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:05.399 in the beginning in the way that we were later. 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:07.960 I could not agree more. I think what happened was 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.560 we were all kind of separated, doing our jobs, trying 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.400 to figure it all out, and it wasn't until second 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.519 season that we started to actually all spend more time 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:17.840 together on set. I mean, have such a wacky time 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:21.000 that first season, like we were we were all over 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:26.080 New York, we were shooting all night, oh NZ, and 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:29.120 I know we will talk a little more about. 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:30.360 My episode in particular. 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:33.320 But we were always in strange places shooting that you 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:36.080 never see again and that we're kind of janky, right. 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:38.560 We definitely didn't have the money we did. 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:39.280 Oh my god. 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:41.160 We would stand on street corners and people come up 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:42.480 and say, what are you shooting and we'd say, oh, 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:44.119 it's the show called Sex and the City. And they'd 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:45.840 be like, oh, real sex on HBO. 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:48.720 Everyone thought it was real sex on HBO. 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:51.760 I was like, no, it's not, you know, no shade 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:56.640 to that fantastic documentary style show with actual set, with 0:03:56.760 --> 0:04:00.360 actual But people really had no idea who we were. 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.200 And that was the beauty ultimately of working on that 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.880 show is that for like a good two years, people 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.520 didn't know we were shooting long before we aired. Which 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:10.640 is the other thing that I had kind of forgotten 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:13.840 was when we shot that first season, it wasn't on TV. 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:15.880 No, No, I didn't know what We didn't know what 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:16.360 it would be. 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:20.160 No, we didn't know anything, and we I mean, I 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:26.040 feel what I remember was the excitement of doing something different, Yes, 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:30.799 and it didn't fit any mold of my previous experience. 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:32.280 And I was a guest star on Seinfeld I was 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:35.599 a guest star on the Larry Sanders Show. Very different 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:39.120 but very fun. You know. I'd been around Melrose obviously, 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:43.040 which was a very like regular soap opera, you know, 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:47.880 many episodes, all of that, many cast members, all of 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:51.080 those things, but nothing was like our show, and nothing 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:53.359 had the subject matter, but nothing had the style. Nothing 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:55.520 was in New York in that way. The only thing 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.359 that was in New York was either like a sitcom 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:59.599 on a stage or lawn order or. 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:01.520 A cup show. Yeah, that's right, right. 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.560 There was no you know, glamorous women stomping around in heels. 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:07.039 No. And I think it's hard for you talk to 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:09.760 you know. The beauty now is that they're younger women 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:13.360 finding and men finding our show. But to try to 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:16.560 explain to them how new it was in terms of 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:19.560 the subject matter and women talking the way they talked, 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:22.360 and even the writing style, like it felt like shooting 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.040 a little indie movie, didn't it. 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:25.719 Yeah, every week. 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:28.840 Which is what great training. I mean as a writer, 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:31.440 it trained me in a whole other way. 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:32.120 Interesting. 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:36.280 Yeah, did HBO, Like do you remember HBO's kind of 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.279 notes or thought process or like what they would say 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:39.920 to you guys? 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.680 Well, bless their hearts. They left us alone, really left us. 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:45.680 It was kind of amazing to think about it. 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:48.040 It would not happen now, and it was just one 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:50.240 more thing that made it kind of a lightning in 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.760 a bottle. So we were doing this thing and God knows. 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.440 And I'm sure you'll speak with or have spoken with 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:58.320 some HBO folks. I'd be interesting to get there persons. 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:00.960 Strauss On, Yeah, Dress would tell you. 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.760 All I know is whatever notes we got were so 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:08.920 legitimate and so specific, and sometimes it was things like, oh, 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:12.000 we just need another scene shot out doors, like literally 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:15.680 a production question. But they let us do what we 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:16.200 were doing. 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:20.400 Amazing And do you feel because Michael was already there 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:22.640 and Darren obviously was there because he created it. But 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:27.599 I remember that sometimes that first season, because we hadn't 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:29.640 seen the light of day, right, and no one did 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:33.280 really know, including ourselves, what we actually were, and Michael 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:38.000 hadn't really fully like he was in there but not 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.280 he hadn't taken over right. And I remember one time 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.600 Darren would say like, we've got to be funnier, and 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:45.280 then like a different week, you'd be like everyone has 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:47.680 to be sexier, and I just be like, oh my God, 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:48.280 what does he mean? 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:52.200 Like, what do you remember that kind of feeling totally 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:55.000 and that I mean, that was so much harder on 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:58.680 you all than it was for us. It wasn't applied 0:06:58.680 --> 0:06:59.160 to you guys. 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:03.760 I think I think we we It wasn't really away. 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.720 It was me, you know, I felt a little more 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:10.080 protected in the writing, but I could see the pressure 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:13.320 that was being put on you all as performers, and 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:15.720 it was a lot. I mean, I remember him racing 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:19.640 out of a meeting that I was having with him 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.800 and Michael because he was convinced somebody And I think 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:24.600 it was like, I'm sure there's a coffee shop scene. 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:27.080 Somebody wasn't eating a chocolate chip cookie correctly? 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:28.200 Are you kidding? Yeah? 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:29.040 Like it was there. 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:32.840 It was an eating note, like, oh my god, if 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.080 I don't show them now, And you know it must 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:36.880 have been he must have been editing, because he must 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:38.160 have been watching something on film. 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:40.840 Do you remember him coming? Maybe you were not the problem. 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.800 I hope I was not. I think I remember correctly. 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:48.360 It was such a specific kind of coninuity, like if 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:50.000 you're going to do this, you have to eat it 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:50.400 this way. 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:52.800 Wow, I know what I think that probably might have 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.160 had to do it. And I have seen Darren since 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:56.680 I started the podcast. I asked Darion to be on 0:07:56.720 --> 0:08:01.040 at the beginning, he was very busy writing good Then 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:03.440 I saw him and I was like, Darren, I need 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:05.520 you on the podcast because you created the show. You 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:06.880 need to be in the beginning. He was like, oh, 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.400 com'll come, but he hasn't come yet, so he's in 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:12.600 trouble till he comes. But them, yes, he is in 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:16.960 the doghouse. I because we came from this crazy world 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:19.960 of Spelling, which I've really been thinking about because when 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:22.239 you look back at things, you have so many different 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:25.720 thoughts and perspective on the whole thing. Spelling had so 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.680 many rules. He had rules about how each character could 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:30.800 wear their hair, and you couldn't change your hair unless 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:35.800 you got previous written approval from mister Spelling. Wow joke. 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:37.960 Like the reason I know this is because one time 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:40.600 I had to be in a convertible and I had 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:42.560 my super long hair before they made me cut it 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:45.360 for Sex City and it wasn't allowed to be clipped 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:47.440 or pinned or in any way, and it was just. 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:49.280 Like, oh, that's so Spelling. 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:51.480 I know. Ellie wouldn't let me put it back in 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:54.760 any way. I was like, how am I supposed to 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:54.960 go on? 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:57.600 Because he knew that your blowing hair would be that 0:08:57.600 --> 0:08:58.480 that's the day. 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:00.920 But then like, how conton know anywhy. 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:03.199 I've got like a rat snash or everybody know it 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:05.600 was gonna get brushed secretly, you know what I mean. 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:06.480 It's just a weird thing. 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:08.640 So like if I had a Brett, like like the 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:13.000 set would stop and phone calls me, there'd be a Brett. 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.400 A Brett phone call would happen, a commerce call whatever. 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:18.560 So I think some of that bled over into Darren's thinking. 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.080 But then I also think what happened and we'd have 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:23.960 to ask him, of course. But once Pat came, you know, 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.480 and really started to do her magic, which took some 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:28.600 time because we had no money. No one knew what 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:30.600 we were doing. I look at the clothes the first season, 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:34.319 I'm like, what are we literally like that? 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:37.880 You all looked adorable? I mean, it's adorable, it's so nice. 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:40.160 Not what the show became, no, I mean, like I 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.600 talked to Molly. Molly came on, I'm wearing theory. 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:47.200 Suits right, it's hysterically right with tights. Yeah, black listen 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:49.520 it was a different time. It really, it was a 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:51.200 different time. We didn't have the money. 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:53.199 I mean, I was thinking about that in my episode 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:57.280 when you go to the mask Ball and theoretically you're 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:59.839 in kind of a mansion that, you know, one of 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:02.920 those party mansions, and then suddenly you're upstairs in the 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:06.600 jankiest little bedroom, like who has a little bedroom at 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:07.559 a party mansion? 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.480 Set with those green wallsh has to green plants? Like 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.880 when did Miranda have like an emerald green apartment. 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.320 We did what we had to do. We didn't have 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:18.640 a lot of money, But. 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:22.000 I love that about it. You forget until you look back. 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:25.280 And also like it begins on that like Grany grainy 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:29.079 out of focus shot of Empire and Chrysler Villay, You're 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.240 just like, can we see them? 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:32.400 Maybe? 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:35.400 You know, it's super interesting. Okay, so back to you. Okay, 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:37.840 so you're here in LA, you go to New York. 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:39.680 I go to New York to shoot the episode. I 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.360 think I was with the guys here for a little 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:44.400 bit and then I went to New York and Nicole 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.760 Hall of Center directory episode, by the way, also amazing, 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:48.959 what an amazing director. 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:50.480 Amazing. I can't believe we got her I. 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:53.040 Can't believe it, and a delight as a person and 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:56.000 so talented, and so I am suddenly on this set 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.559 of this little indie film, standing in you know, my 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:02.200 New York that I grown up in, right shooting this 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:07.440 little gem of a bizarre show where women are allowed 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:09.360 to say what they want and talk about what they want. 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:12.960 It was and you loved it, loved loved every second 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:13.240 of it. 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:16.360 So at what point, like in what point in terms 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.079 of the writing of the first script were you did 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:21.560 they say to you, like, you need to have experience 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:24.400 with this, or you need to know someone with this story, 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:25.960 or you know, the whole thing. 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:29.559 Yes, yes, you're talking about kind of we wouldn't and 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:33.240 I'll just say it again in case your listeners have forgotten. 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:37.280 But we had a pretty sacrisanct rule which which was 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:40.920 really smart, which was that we would never write about something, 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:45.080 especially something sexual in nature, unless we knew one person 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:47.480 that had gone through it, because we didn't want to 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.320 make it just like a weird purient like this week like. 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:53.240 We did reject some stories. I don't know if anyone's 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:55.400 spoken about it already, but we had a couple of 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:58.200 stories we went down the road with like in fourth 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:00.840 or in the fourth season, we talked about doing a 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.680 story about a guy with a penile implant, you know, 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:05.400 like one of those yeah penis. 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:07.440 Do you see the ads for Oh I don't. 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:09.439 Did you see an ad forte? They're like, you planted? 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:12.520 Did you? 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:19.400 God? Okay, the middle window into you. 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:23.160 Wait, but you're talking about like a surgenous pump. 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:23.600 See. 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.280 This is why we were right about it, because everyone's like, 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:28.840 what what is that? Yes, and apparently there is like 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:32.040 a celebrity that there's kind of gossip around whether or 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.959 not they have one. 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:37.160 Well, is this new to everybody? 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:37.520 Yes? 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:40.600 So, but that was one where we said, you know what, 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.760 we're not gonna we can't tell that story because no, 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:46.760 we didn't know anyone we none of us had encountered 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:49.559 such a thing, got it, it seemed. But but certainly 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:53.679 at the time, and it's ironic right now that threesomes 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.040 were kind of a thing people were talking about, and 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:59.679 now it's like such an accepted beyond. Now we're into 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.560 poly memory and all the things we would write about now, 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:05.920 which I wish, you know, we'll often joke like we 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:07.880 wish we had the show now to write about this 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:11.079 next version of things, and you do have Michael's shouse. 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:13.679 You can different, but it's diffferent. You're not thirty and 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:14.640 single exactly. 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.280 So people sometimes ask me why it's not more similar, 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:20.400 and I like that would be possibly sad. That was. 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:23.280 Different. 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:24.800 It's a different time in life. 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:26.920 It's a different time in life. We're not thirty two, 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:29.360 We're not anymore now that we look at. 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.640 But but threesomes were the thing we were talking about, 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:36.800 and it was and you know what was fun about 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:38.840 that episode in retrospect. 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.000 Too, is that it fit the theme really well. 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:43.520 And when we are able to find like a kind 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:47.280 of sexual thing that also becomes thematic. 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:49.319 For our characters, right, it was perfect. So we had 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:49.760 I think that. 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:53.400 Was the first show that actually successfully did this right 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:54.920 for me because I've now. 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:56.160 Started at the beginning thing. 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.720 Because remember what we ended up with was her voice 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.880 over would connect to everybody. It's the theme, right, so 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.520 it would be like and then downtown Samantha was doing 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.240 blah blah blah, and it would connect to the theme 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:08.520 and Uptown Charles doing. 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:11.440 But that took a while to really get it going. 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:13.480 And it took I would argue, it probably took us 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.640 into mid second season really figure out. I mean, we 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.560 still had the talking heads in mind, which my talking 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.560 heads were a little different, and I would argue worked 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:22.760 a little better just because they were ads and they 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:26.000 were shorter, and they were shorter she had we and 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:27.880 we can talk more about the talking heads, but we 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:31.080 definitely were It was a relief to let go of them. 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:33.680 Definitely did definitely. 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:35.200 Because they were taking up too much time from you all, 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:38.920 Like we just wanted more stories with our main right. 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:42.080 And poor Sarah had to not have to turn to 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:42.400 the camera. 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.880 Well that was a whole the breaking of the fourth wall, 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:47.080 and it's hard. 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:49.400 It's I don't know how she did it me neither. 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:51.640 I don't know how she did it to me so seamlessly. 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:53.920 She doesn't feel that way, of course, but like also 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.680 like the last episode, she's in her apartment by herself and. 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:58.960 She turns and talk to the camera like who is that? 0:14:59.040 --> 0:14:59.800 Who is she talking to? 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:03.080 And also her voiceovers going, so she's already talking to 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:06.560 herself but in her head. Like it's weird, but it's 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:07.400 also kind of fun. 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:11.400 Yes, you know, and did it well and was very unique, 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:14.400 But I think there were certain artifice things we had 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:16.400 with the show to start that we were relying on 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:18.280 and we was we didn't have to And that happens 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:19.960 with a lot of shows. When you start you think 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.400 we have to have this thing right, and then you realize, oh, 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:24.120 people just want to watch the characters. 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:25.680 They want to Thank god you right, But think, od 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:27.920 we had that freedom, Oh yes, where we didn't have 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:31.000 to stick and you could develop this idea of having 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:33.760 the theme. And at that point were they talking about 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.640 things from Candas's book and column still or were you 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:38.320 guys just like freely. 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:41.320 We were we were moving past that in the certainly 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.280 in my episode, we had already introduced Big. We knew 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:47.360 who Big was, and and that was really all we needed, 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:49.560 the idea that Big and I should know this. And 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:54.080 I'm I don't know whether in Candas's book, I don't 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:55.040 think Big had a wife. 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:56.320 I don't think Big had an extro. 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:57.840 I don't remember that. 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:00.480 But that's a question to find out answer to you. 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.880 But in this case we did introduce the ex wife, 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:05.560 and I think was probably the only time where we 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:07.280 did that kind of odda. 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.200 She was this ghost and she was in the bed 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:11.040 with that, she was with them, she was on the. 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.840 Street it was great. It was really cool. But we 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.360 never really did something like that again, right. 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:18.800 We tried stuff we were trying. It was fun, it 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:19.640 was experimental. 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:23.680 THEA did Sir Jessica Carey levitates from Fifth Avenue in 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:26.040 like the second episode. 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:28.680 I was like, what am I saying? I have to rewind. 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:32.400 I mean the stuff we tried is crazy, but we 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:33.120 had the freedom. 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:34.920 Yeah, she's amazing, and we. 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:38.520 Trusted each other I think enough to go for it 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:40.400 right right, right right, and we trusted you all to 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:42.880 be able to roll with it. No, well that's a 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:44.040 big deal, thank you. 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:57.560 So let's go back to the europisodes. So you're in 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:01.040 LA and you're writing with the other writers that we 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:02.080 never really met. 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:04.520 Well though I know it was only with I was 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:06.680 really only with with Michael Darren and Michael. 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:07.359 Yeah, okay, got it, got it. 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:09.560 So the others were already gone, yes, because they were 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:12.280 kind of just like they sent scripts in. 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.399 I don't know, well they were they were, Yeah, they 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:18.560 were consulting I think for a little bit, but were 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:20.960 not by the point that I was got that I 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:21.400 was doing there. 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:22.600 So it's really just the three of us. 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:24.600 Sitting in a room, which and you're like the beginning 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:28.200 of what would then become really our full the core 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:32.280 core of executive producer writers you know, with us every day, 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:36.160 which people never really understood. Right now, you were very 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:40.280 very much a part of the daily experience and very 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:43.920 like we went to you about everything about every word, 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:46.920 but also about costumes and you know, so many different things, 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:50.120 which I think when I also look back on it, 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:52.520 it's kind of so special and rare that you just 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:55.080