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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? And we are back with Jenny Biggs

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Speaker 1: so much funder Yay? All right, Jenny. I want to

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Speaker 1: talk to you because every different person that I've had

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Speaker 1: on from the show, I ask about the beginning and

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Speaker 1: I learned something new every time. It is amazing. So

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Speaker 1: for you take us back nineteen ninety seven, nineteen ninety eight. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how did you come about being a writer on our show?

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Speaker 2: Oh? My goodness?

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Speaker 3: It was such a thunderbolt of luck, is what happened.

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Speaker 3: So I had worked on a little CBS sitcom called

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Speaker 3: The Five Missus Buchanans Okay with Michael Patrick oh or

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Speaker 3: Actually he would come in one day a week as

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Speaker 3: the punch up guy. He was super scary. He would

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Speaker 3: and you would be like, oh my god, this guy

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Speaker 3: is so good. Yeah, and he's pitching all these amazing jokes,

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Speaker 3: and then you would disappear.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: But obviously I made some kind of impression on it,

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Speaker 3: maybe just my scared face every time you walk in.

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Speaker 3: And when they were a couple episodes in, I got

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Speaker 3: a call from Michael in on Sex and the City.

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Speaker 3: I got a call from him saying, hey, listen, we're

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Speaker 3: doing this kind of crazy show. I think you'd be

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Speaker 3: really perfect to write it. Come and write an episode

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Speaker 1: And you were in La.

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Speaker 3: I was in La and I had just finished up

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Speaker 3: I think I was trying to recall, but I think

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Speaker 3: there wasn't an episode yet for me to watch because

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Speaker 3: it was that early. So I think they probably sent

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Speaker 3: me the pilot episode h and I script and I

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Speaker 3: read it and I was like, my head kind of

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Speaker 3: blew off because it was like, we've never what is this,

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Speaker 3: We've never talked about things like this. It's written differently.

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Speaker 3: I'm fascinated it's me. It's not me women in their

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Speaker 3: early thirties dating.

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Speaker 2: That was me.

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Speaker 3: So I said, of course, I will do this fantastic thing.

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Speaker 3: And Michael and Darren and I got together and started

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Speaker 3: throwing around ideas and ended up with what became three

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Speaker 1: Ah. Yeah, and that so that was your first episode,

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Speaker 1: And did you just you were just brought on to

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Speaker 3: I was brought on to do that episode and then

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Speaker 3: then after that to consult. So after that I was

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Speaker 3: stayed because why wouldn't you.

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Speaker 1: I'm absolutely and in my mind, because I have the

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Speaker 1: most weird memories of the first season, like very hit

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Speaker 1: and miss, like even just rewatching, I was like, I

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Speaker 1: do not remember hardly any of this, which is rare, okay,

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Speaker 1: but like for me, I don't remember you coming as

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Speaker 1: early as you came, because I had said right away

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Speaker 1: when we started the podcast, I need to have Jenny

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Speaker 1: and I'm worried that it's not till second season because

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Speaker 1: I think also because we weren't together all the time

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Speaker 3: I could not agree more. I think what happened was

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Speaker 2: My episode in particular.

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Speaker 3: But we were always in strange places shooting that you

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Speaker 3: We definitely didn't have the money we did.

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Speaker 3: We would stand on street corners and people come up

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Speaker 2: Everyone thought it was real sex on HBO.

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Speaker 1: No, we didn't know anything, and we I mean, I

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Speaker 1: And I was a guest star on Seinfeld I was

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Speaker 2: A cup show. Yeah, that's right, right.

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Speaker 1: There was no you know, glamorous women stomping around in heels.

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Speaker 3: you know. The beauty now is that they're younger women

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Speaker 3: Which is what great training. I mean as a writer,

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Speaker 2: Interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, did HBO, Like do you remember HBO's kind of

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Speaker 2: Well, bless their hearts. They left us alone, really left us.

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Speaker 3: It would not happen now, and it was just one

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Speaker 3: All I know is whatever notes we got were so

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Speaker 1: Amazing And do you feel because Michael was already there

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Speaker 1: Darren would say like, we've got to be funnier, and

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Speaker 2: Like, what do you remember that kind of feeling totally

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Speaker 2: and that I mean, that was so much harder on

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Speaker 3: I think I think we we It wasn't really away.

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Speaker 2: I hope I was not. I think I remember correctly.

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Speaker 1: A Brett phone call would happen, a commerce call whatever.

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Speaker 1: So I think some of that bled over into Darren's thinking.

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Speaker 1: But then I also think what happened and we'd have

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Speaker 2: You all looked adorable? I mean, it's adorable, it's so nice.

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Speaker 1: Not what the show became, no, I mean, like I

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Speaker 3: trying to recreate in some ways, you know, right, And

445
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,560
Speaker 3: that's not the problem. What's funny because Julian and Elisa,

446
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,879
Speaker 3: who were two okay, got a team of writers who

447
00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:03,720
Speaker 3: came on in season four too, lady. When they came, delightful,

448
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,840
Speaker 3: so delightful. But uh now I've forgotten what I was

449
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 3: about to say about when they showed up and can't remember.

450
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:13,199
Speaker 2: I'll come back.

451
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,240
Speaker 1: It's okay. The group, the group dynamic. We're all trying

452
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:17,560
Speaker 1: to get back to yes.

453
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,240
Speaker 3: So when thank you when they showed up, they hadn't

454
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,680
Speaker 3: done as much TV as we had, and we kept

455
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,240
Speaker 3: having to say to them, you cannot assume this is

456
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,199
Speaker 3: the way things are. Don't assume it's going to be

457
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,679
Speaker 3: this way. Because it was such a special experience, and

458
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 3: once you have gone through a bunch of experiences that

459
00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,280
Speaker 3: aren't as great and then you land there, you kind

460
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,679
Speaker 3: of don't ever want to do anything else.

461
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 1: You know, well, thus us all doing and just.

462
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,480
Speaker 2: Like yes exactly, which is such a pleasure. It's true.

463
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 1: I mean you had left us by that point and

464
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 1: gone and done the Greatest Showman and sort of other

465
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 1: things which we will talk about, but you know, and

466
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,119
Speaker 1: your your own thing, which I remember because you and

467
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,880
Speaker 1: Cindy at a certain point where you know, executive producers

468
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,200
Speaker 1: and like very high up in our in our whatever hierarchy.

469
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 1: Not that that really made a difference because you were

470
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 1: always so important to us, but it was so great

471
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 1: when you guys did get these deals. We wanted you

472
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 1: to just exist. Well.

473
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,160
Speaker 3: I went away in season five and did my first

474
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,639
Speaker 3: TV show, which was great to have that opportunity, and

475
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 3: then I came back in season six, which was perfect.

476
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 3: So I got a chance and thankfully everyone welcomed me

477
00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 3: back of course open arms. Well that you know again

478
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 3: it's we were family, and that.

479
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 2: Was one was lovely.

480
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 1: But I think also for us actors, you know, so

481
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 1: much weird pressure was put on us in terms of

482
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 1: the publicity and everything, and they didn't really understand, like

483
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: they always thought that was our stories, right, which of

484
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 1: course they weren't. That would be so awkward to be

485
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,200
Speaker 1: playing their own stories, right there were your guys the

486
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 1: stories or someone you knew, which I don't know why

487
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 1: we didn't just honestly tell everyone in the beginning. But

488
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 1: you know, like back then you kind of felt like

489
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:52,120
Speaker 1: you had to protect or somehow shield whatever. Now everyone's

490
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 1: just very upfront about everything. But I remember always thinking,

491
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 1: you know, we're the face, but we're support by this

492
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,880
Speaker 1: group of women. And then they thought it was only

493
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 1: Michael and Darren, right, really you guys, you know, and

494
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 1: like at one point I think we had six women writers.

495
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 2: We did never had six, but we had one too.

496
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,880
Speaker 2: We had five right close close close enough.

497
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 1: Because sometimes in my mind too, like you left, but

498
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 1: in my mind you weren't really gone, you know what

499
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say, you know, you know what I mean,

500
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 1: right right, So like it wasn't like I wouldn't look

501
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: at the paper and be like, oh, Jenny's not listed here,

502
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 1: you know, like you were always part of the everyone

503
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: was part of the once you were in your Yeah, totally,

504
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 1: which was the joy of it. Okay, So I mean

505
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 1: many joys so much, but definitely that was part of it. Okay,

506
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 1: So back to three, the crowd.

507
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 2: Yes, so you're there, you're with us.

508
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 4: I am filming your episode, filming crazy place, crazy places

509
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 4: that I have only walked on in my life and

510
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 4: never on a set, and I really you leave your Body's.

511
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 3: Unbelievable that I'm on the you know, Fifth Avenue sitting

512
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 3: in the midst of at all with like you know,

513
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 3: truckers yelling at us and not our trucker, sorry.

514
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 2: But regular people trying to do their jobs. And I

515
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 2: get it, but we were blocking the way.

516
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 3: You know, it got a little easier as we got

517
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 3: bigger that folks later.

518
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,479
Speaker 1: But yeah, also remember how we would like take our

519
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: big lights and like walking down the street to a

520
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: different location, like we were so gorilla.

521
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 3: In fact, in my episode, in that first episode, we

522
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 3: were so gorilla that we didn't the episode ended up

523
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 3: being shorter. They thought it was going to come in

524
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 3: shorter than they wanted, and so we were shooting on

525
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 3: the street. And I think it must have been your

526
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 3: walk and talk with s Ja that day we were

527
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 3: on that street. My hair's too shiny, I mean that's

528
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 3: I mean, you also delivered it before that.

529
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: I say, how well do we ever know the people

530
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 1: that we sleep.

531
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 3: And that's really the essence of the episode. But we

532
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 3: were there standing there and I remember Michael or Darren

533
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,360
Speaker 3: coming up to me and saying, I have to write

534
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 3: another scene. I need another scene. Oh no, we have

535
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 3: to have it in this location. We're on the street,

536
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,479
Speaker 3: you know, because it had to match with what we

537
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 3: had available production wise. I was like, what can you

538
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 3: imagine by the way, that happening any other time? But

539
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 3: first middle of first season now, and I went away

540
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 3: and wrote this scene where Ken runs into Samantha. Oh yeah,

541
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 3: and that was good and the wife yeah, but I

542
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,479
Speaker 3: wrote that like no one saw it was like does

543
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 3: anyone have to approve this?

544
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 2: No, We're just gonna shoot it. I was like, wow, okay,

545
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 2: I've never heard of such a thing. Oh great, and

546
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: we shot it. But that was good.

547
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 3: That was the kind of thing we could get away with, wow,

548
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 3: which we would never you know.

549
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 2: Wow.

550
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: So okay. So after that first episode, so we were

551
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: picked up for thirteen, then we had to go on

552
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 1: the air and everything. I don't really remember when we

553
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 1: got picked up for more or whatever, like what was

554
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: your my memory?

555
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 3: I know we weren't picked up. Basically, the season ended

556
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 3: and no one knew what was going to happen because

557
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 3: we didn't know if there be a second season. And

558
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 3: so I came back to LA and I was like,

559
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 3: I guess I need to get a job and so,

560
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 3: but I didn't want to take a job where I

561
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 3: would have to then leave if we got picked up.

562
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 3: So I ended up consulting two days a week on

563
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 3: Dawson's Creek.

564
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 2: Which was so much fun. It was so nice.

565
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 3: It was peak nineties and so peak nineties that Mike

566
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 3: White and I were the two consultants. Oh my god,

567
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 3: we had a blast. I love Mike to this day,

568
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 3: a dear friend.

569
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 2: But it was really insane, insane wow.

570
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 3: And then and it was also kind of peak Dawson's

571
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 3: Creek time too, And I had not really watched the show,

572
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 3: but I really enjoyed. It was the first time I

573
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 3: had written a one hour show, so I'd gone from

574
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 3: sitcom to writing The Sex and the City, which was

575
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 3: like so outside the box for me, but real people talking.

576
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 3: And then I go and write a one hour that's

577
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 3: more one real people talking. And then the show got

578
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 3: picked up. So I think we didn't air. Gosh, I

579
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 3: should I should know this when we aired the first season,

580
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 3: but I know that we certainly didn't know that we

581
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 3: had a second season until the end of the summer

582
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 3: at least.

583
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 1: Wow of that time, I think we are the first season,

584
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: like June of ninety eight, right, And I don't really remember.

585
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: I think I just assumed, in my very Charlotte type

586
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 1: way that we were going do you know what I mean?

587
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: I don't remember anxiety. I'm not thinking it would go

588
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:23,239
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean?

589
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 2: I didn't think so. I mean, I really felt like

590
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 2: this kind of has to be a thing.

591
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

592
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 3: If not, I don't know what to believe anymore, because

593
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 3: we were so special, right, And then we did get

594
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 3: picked up and it was amazing, But then it was

595
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 3: still only right here.

596
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 1: Did you guys have a writer's room here?

597
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 2: Yes, we did? And Cindy When did Cindy came? Mid

598
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 2: to late second season?

599
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: Oh? Got it.

600
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: So it was just Darren, Michael and myself.

601
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 1: Unbelievable.

602
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 3: It was unbelievable and hilarious because there was a lot

603
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 3: of me explaining certain parts of the female anatomy. There

604
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 3: was definitely a moment had to draw on the whiteboard.

605
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: And I don't have to.

606
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 3: All I'll say is Darren kept saying there's a part

607
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 3: of the female anatomy that's very important for female pleasure.

608
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 3: And he kept saying in this thing, and I was like,

609
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: it's not there's no in. You don't go you definitely

610
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 3: don't go in it. You don't go in Darren, And

611
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 3: so I did. I'm proud to say I did. Draw.

612
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: I was so glad. Yeah, it's probably the best strong

613
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 2: I'm very bad, but it was very specific.

614
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

615
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 3: So there I got to teach him a little something.

616
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 3: So there really elements of discussion.

617
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: Of I'm so glad you were there.

618
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 2: I'm happy to have done that. Yes, we're all female.

619
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: You gave the service, you provided service for all of us.

620
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: I appreciate that.

621
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: So then so we And then I was second when.

622
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: We did like a lot of a lot of episodes,

623
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: like at a certain point we.

624
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 3: Did wed yeah, or it felt like we did, right, No,

625
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 3: I think we actually did. We kind of hit the

626
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 3: ground running, and we did have one or two consultants

627
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 3: that for that time who wrote an episode or two,

628
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 3: and then Cindy came on full time and then it

629
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 3: was the four of us for a long time.

630
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: I remember that either yeah, which is amazing and super

631
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: interesting I mean, I remember that at a certain point

632
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: it grew right, but like to me, I was just

633
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: so in it, you know. And that's the thing too,

634
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 1: like rewatching is so fascinating. So many things I don't

635
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: remember then weird random things I do remember, like, for instance,

636
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: in the Masked Ball, right, there's a dress I'm wearing.

637
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: And this was when, you know, we were shopping at Bloomingdale's.

638
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: Molly reminded me and Century twenty one. You know, people

639
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: were not lending us things maybe Sarah Jessica, but barely right,

640
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: and they were shopping vintage and all of those things.

641
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: And I remember that lavin I'm wearing like a lavender

642
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: crystal dress, and I didn't love it in the first place,

643
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: but Pat and I were just having a time, right

644
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: because Pat wanted me to wear really tight things, and

645
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: I felt very self conscios sometimes I'm wearing my own clothes,

646
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: like I'm wearing my own shoes with that dress. There

647
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: are some clear looseight product shoes. I don't know why

648
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: I bought these shoes. I think in my mind I

649
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: was like, what would these very cool women in Sex

650
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: and the City buy. I'm going to go to Prada,

651
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: I was like an early product person, which I didn't remember,

652
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: Like that's nineteen ninety eight.

653
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: That right, I still have those shoes.

654
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 3: See, that's why a product piece can last forever. So right,

655
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 3: that's a second conversation for another time when you do

656
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 3: you're you know, war fashion centric podcast. But I actually

657
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 3: remember you wearing those shoes and they looked really good.

658
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 3: But I'm like, why first of the nineties and there's

659
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 3: a lot happening that shouldn't have been happening, so many.

660
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: Things, and now that's like so in it's crazy to me,

661
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: Like it's crazy. But some of it I get, and

662
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: some of it I'm like, you guys, don't bring that back.

663
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: Don't bring to the low cut jeans by please Capris.

664
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: Don't people Capris. I'm okay, you're with a low waisted No, the.

665
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: Low waist seems to be coming back again. No, not for.

666
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 3: It's fine, it's fine, We're not going to wear it. No, No,

667
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 3: that's fine. That caprize if you're like on vacation.

668
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: No that's fine.

669
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, but not they really don't look good on a

670
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 3: lot of people.

671
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: No, it's true. Again, So that dress, that Lavenger dress,

672
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: I remember there being a lot of stress about what

673
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: I would wear to this thing. But also there's the

674
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: theme which I love about the disease disease benefits, which

675
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: is so true. I mean you could still like this

676
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: is still going on in New York, Like if you

677
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: went to every disease benefit, you could definitely meet some people.

678
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: I mean for.

679
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, it's a thing there go to the disease benefit.

680
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: I mean the same people for sure, and it's a

681
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: lot of people. But I yeah, yeah, don't have the

682
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: energy to do that stuff anymore. But that lavender dress,

683
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: I remember a lot of stress about it. I thought

684
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: it looked kind of like Mother the Bride ish, which

685
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: I do still think, though it didn't look as bad

686
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: as I thought when I watched it again. But Pat,

687
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: being the adorable Pat that she is, had been stressing

688
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: about it and had come down to the wardrobe trailer

689
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: the night before and steamed it out because she thought

690
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: it was too tight on me, which is unusual she

691
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: was in the opposite but it was like chiffon with crystals, right.

692
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: She didn't want it to pull. So when I came back,

693
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: it was like this, like mummo, like she steamed it

694
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: and it had given it and I was like, what

695
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: on earth We're gonna wear like a lavender mumo. I

696
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: was so upset. And then they had sown the darts

697
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: in the back, which you see when I'm walking down

698
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: the hall. Really yeah, they had sown the darts in

699
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: the back so that it actually had more of a hourglass.

700
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: I remember, I do, yes, I remember.

701
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 3: That's why when you say it was a moomela, I

702
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 3: remembered it because you know.

703
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: How they were amazing, right, even when we didn't have money,

704
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: they were amazing. But yeah, no, I had a whole little.

705
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: The idea that.

706
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 3: You ever wore your own shoes insane, right looking back,

707
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 3: I know, I mean.

708
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: Differing my whole outfits. Like there's there's like an argyle

709
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: sweater that I still have that I Warren Carry's apartment

710
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: in that episode we talk about our faults and I say,

711
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: my thoughts, that's my own outfit. And then Darren had

712
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: to take me out to dinner and say like, you

713
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: need to let Pat dress you. And I was like,

714
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,479
Speaker 1: well okay, but you know she was. We were all

715
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: these tight things and I just feel very self god

716
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: ess and he was like, you just need to trust her,

717
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: and I'm like okay, okay, Darren.

718
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: And also let me tell you how to eat a

719
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: talk to the chip cooking going on.

720
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: I know there was a lot going on, but I

721
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: also feel and we've touched on this a little bit,

722
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: but I love your perspective, you know. I do think

723
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: people talk about like, oh, how did the chemistry of

724
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: the cast come together? And you know, we never had

725
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: a chemistry. We we just showed up and clicked in whatever

726
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: mysterious way that is. And for me, I think it's

727
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: a few things, and one is the writing. You know,

728
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: like we are not anything without the writing, like actors

729
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: are not. It's not our personality driving it. I mean,

730
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: it comes together, but it's the writing. Right, So the

731
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: writing is what was amazing in the beginning in my mind.

732
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: But I also feel like all of us had strong

733
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: and different personalities, absolutely, and that the mix of it

734
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: create it.

735
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: Was a fission or frission, yeah which one both? Yeah?

736
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 3: Like it it And so I would kind of in

737
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 3: a way disagree, like the writing can be there, but

738
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 3: I think you all did something and it is amazing

739
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 3: to think there was no chemistry. Read because even in

740
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 3: the early days, like when I watch my episode right,

741
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 3: which is episode eight, sitting in the coffee shop. You

742
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 3: all are, you all are who you are, you all

743
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 3: are doing it.

744
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: It's true.

745
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 3: Those are those are those characters already there, and that

746
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 3: must have been I mean, I don't know if you

747
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 3: were feeling that at the time. Do you think that

748
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 3: kind of connection that.

749
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: You all had.

750
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: I think I it's interesting to think about, because, like

751
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: I said, there's some things I meant remember, like the

752
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: lavender dress, and there's some things that I don't. I

753
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: just remember, like when I get myself, I think that

754
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: I seem very young, like really weirdly young. I don't

755
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: think I felt young inside, but I seem very young.

756
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's the charlotteeness, right.

757
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 2: It might have been the Charlotteness, because I.

758
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: Don't in my mind, I'd already been through so much

759
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: in my twenties. I didn't feel like a baby, but

760
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: I look and seem like younger than them and more

761
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: unformed kind.

762
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 3: Of I don't think, yeah, but I feel like that

763
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 3: was who Charlotte was more than I think that worked

764
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 3: for the character, but I also think the character it

765
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 3: was interesting watching the episode again that she was when

766
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 3: she comes in and says oh, he wants to have

767
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 3: a threesome. She's already kind of intrigued with the idea, right,

768
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 3: there is no rejection of it, which I think is

769
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 3: kind of It's amazing, not very Charlotte. I had a

770
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 3: way she was just like I know, she's maybe way

771
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 3: more open than I when you think of her a

772
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 3: kind of archetype, right, yeah, in the kind of of it,

773
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 3: And I'm like, wow, No, she was more just testing

774
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 3: the waters, like he wants to do this.

775
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, Jenny, I do all kind of crazy

776
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: the first time. Oh my god, well you really.

777
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: Like I'm shocked every episode, like for instance, and we'll

778
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: get we'll do our breakdown of the episode. But when

779
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: I have the dream of the threesome, I'm thinking, like,

780
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: I don't remember that I did a three sime.

781
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 2: I literally was like, am I about to kiss these people? Memory?

782
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I having such.

783
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: A panic watching it last night. But then I'm like, no,

784
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: it's just dream. But I don't even remember that.

785
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 3: Like she's very surprisingly surprisingly open. Yeah you have, And

786
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 3: that's what makes you fall in love with her is

787
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 3: that she's open even though she has fears or concerns.

788
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 3: She's not the one who shuts things down. She's always

789
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 3: trying to figure it out, and in that case, she's

790
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 3: very open. She's like, what do you think of this?

791
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 3: And it's everyone else who kind of has very strong

792
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 3: opinions about whether it's a thing or not. But I

793
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 3: kind of love looking. I was like, Wow, she really

794
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 3: was testing water, definitely, because the.

795
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: Thing that I had remembered about the beginning and it

796
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: hasn't even really happened yet though. I mean, remember when

797
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: Carrie dates the guy who has a Classic six and

798
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: wants to get married and have a baby, has the

799
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: mobile and she's like, Nah, that's not me, and maybe

800
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: you should date this one, and then I date him,

801
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: but I don't like his china taste so hysterical. So

802
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: she has two things that I don't really remember. One

803
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: is her incredible choosiness, right, which I kind of remember.

804
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: But I just remember the didactic thing that hasn't really

805
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: happened yet, where I have the book and I'm talking

806
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: about get the rules and getting married, which those were

807
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: the hardest, hardest, hardest scenes for me to do, largely

808
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: because I had a long speech usually that all of

809
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: them are just like looking at me, like, oh God,

810
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: you know and rolling their eyes, and I, you know,

811
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: it's very hard to learn the long speeches that you

812
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: guys are right, because it's so specific and so precisely

813
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 1: timed and has to be done perfectly. Us out really

814
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,479
Speaker 1: really bad about them, so I remember them. And also

815
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: that was so hard because it was so wasn't me right,

816
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: So I had to really act and plug in like

817
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: different things like what if I think about this instead

818
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: of you know, getting married, or what if I think

819
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: about that, or let's think about the southern women that

820
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: I knew who were So you're trying all these different

821
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: things to make it really deeper, right than just like

822
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: an idea.

823
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:20,439
Speaker 3: Right.

824
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 1: I thought that was all I did the whole first season,

825
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: And in fact, I am ware you were.

826
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 2: You were shaking it, you're making it happen. You're out

827
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: there and you're like, okay, I'll wink at this woman.

828
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 2: I don't know. I was like, wow, I know, look

829
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 2: at you. I don't remember any of it either.

830
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: It's so funny to see because it's so funny they like,

831
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,439
Speaker 1: I did that. That's my body. I know I'm up there.

832
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: I know I'm there, but I don't remember.

833
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 3: You leave your body, Yeah, That's how I felt watching

834
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 3: it as a winder too. I was like, I wrote that, Okay,

835
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 3: I guess I did. I know I did, right, But

836
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 3: I don't remember it in the way that I remember

837
00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 3: it when I wrote it.

838
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: It's true, and I remember that either, And that's the

839
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: joy of rewatching it.

840
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 3: It is so lovely to rewatch it. And I will

841
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 3: say the thing too about Charlotte. And you know, when

842
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 3: they would Cosmo and stuff would do these quizzes about

843
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: who were you, more people thought they were Charlotte, and

844
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 3: so I think she was representing a lot of how

845
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 3: certain women see the world like that, more traditional. I

846
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 3: want to get married, I want to have as much

847
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 3: of it all as I can. I want to work

848
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 3: in my gallery and also have kids and all of that.

849
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 3: So I think I never saw you or the character

850
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 3: as being kind of young or immature, as much as

851
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 3: being kind of on the pulse of what most people

852
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 3: were thinking.

853
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 1: Right, which they were great, which is great, which is great.

854
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: And that's why her whole journey has been so interest amazing. Yeah,

855
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: I mean incredible to play as an actor.

856
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 3: But we also did that. I mean, I'm sure Michael's

857
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 3: talked about this too. Is like we always wanted to

858
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 3: test each character and give them the one thing that

859
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 3: was the hardest thing.

860
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: Oh and did you guys ever do that?

861
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 3: Charlotte and Charlotte got some tests, man, I mean really

862
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 3: all of us, because if you talk to any of us,

863
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 3: everyone's like, oh, I was the one who always got embarrassed,

864
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: and we're like, yeah, that's true.

865
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: But also I was the one who always got embarrassed,

866
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: and then the other one will be like, oh but

867
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: I always got embarrassed re Memora blah blah, and we're like, oh, yeah,

868
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: that's true. You did get in there, really all of

869
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: us did. But you know what, this was the greatness

870
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: of the show, right, Like when people say like, well,

871
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: why did Carrie do that? And Carrie made some bad decisions,

872
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: we would not have had a show if she didn't.

873
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: Right, she's a person. Yeah.

874
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,479
Speaker 1: And also this is the hard stuff, trying to figure

875
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: out who you are and what you want and you

876
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: have literally every choice available to you. That's also the

877
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: joy of New York City, especially at that time, out

878
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: of all the places. I mean, I do feel like

879
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 1: now it's still somewhat true, right, Like, if you want

880
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: to test yourself and find out on the Moorgat Board

881
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: of Life. What you want go to New York City.

882
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: I hope that's I think that is still true.

883
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: I do think it's still true.

884
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 4: I do.

885
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's different now for sure, but I still

886
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: think that New York is like a beacon call to

887
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: people who are kind of ambitious and or.

888
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 3: Exploring, exploring figuring out who they are. Yeah, which I

889
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 3: think is a great and that's what I mean. It was,

890
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 3: And we always said this when we still do that

891
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 3: New York is the fifth character the show. And that's

892
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 3: how it still feels, is that New York was a

893
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 3: grab bag of magic and danger and.

894
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 2: It's sexy and it's gritty.

895
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 3: Anything can happen, anything can happen, anytime, and we took

896
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 3: advantage of that.

897
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:53,479
Speaker 1: One of the things that people talk to me, because

898
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: one of the reasons I wanted to do the podcast

899
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: is because we've had this incredible fan base for all

900
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: these many, many years, and now we have all these

901
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: new fans from Netflix and whatnot, which is amazing, of

902
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: course and fascinating generationally. But one of the things that

903
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 1: people talk to me about, like my experience of walking

904
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: around in the world with people having watched us all

905
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: this time, which is so amazing, right, And there's so

906
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: many different storylines through the years that people talk to

907
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: me about, and it's always super fascinating which things they remember,

908
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: which things connected with them, how they talk to me

909
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: about it. They often cry, which is so sweet.

910
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 2: You know, it's like so durable.

911
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: It's part of the reason I wanted to do this

912
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: because I feel like it's just such an incredibly special

913
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: experience in life that we're getting to have, you know,

914
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: to connect with people still over these things. So one

915
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: of the things they talk to me about, and I

916
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: hope it's okay, I'm going to talk about this is

917
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: breast cancer.

918
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 2: The breast canst I'm so happy to say, okay. Great.

919
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: So Samantha, as we all know, all the listeners know,

920
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: had this incredible storyline. Was it season six only or

921
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:55,479
Speaker 1: was it five and six?

922
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 2: It was season six.

923
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: Season six, and it was a great, beautiful storyline. She

924
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: did a sazeautiful and the Smith character, oh my god.

925
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: So incredible, so incredible.

926
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: And I look back on that, I mean, I can't

927
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: wait till we get there to rewatch. But this is

928
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: based on your experience, Jenny's experience, which was happening while

929
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: we were doing the show. Yes, now, I don't know

930
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: if you know this, but you know how we all

931
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: would go to work even if we were sick. This

932
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: is pre COVID of course we would be just like

933
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: I remember all four of us being sick, and they

934
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: would call one of those set doctors and he would

935
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: just go dressing dress doctor, remember doctor Field, and he

936
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: would hand out Z packs, right, He would just be like,

937
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: here's your Z pack, here's the Z pack. We would

938
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: just take so many Z packs this season, right, That

939
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 1: was just how it was. We had to keep going.

940
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: The show had to go on. So I remember one

941
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: day and I don't know what season it would be,

942
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure you will know. And it was one of

943
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: your episodes and I was in hair and makeup and

944
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: I had a question about the dialogue. And I was like,

945
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, can Jenny come to the hair and make

946
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: them talk to me while I'm getting ready because I

947
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: have a question about dialogue. And they said, oh, Jenny's

948
00:42:59,200 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: not here.

949
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: What do you mean it's her episode? What what it

950
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: was unheard of?

951
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: And they were like, oh, Jenny's not feeling well, And

952
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: I'm like what, Like I have a huge fever. I know.

953
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 2: I was like, what do you mean?

954
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 1: And I think it was when you had been diagnosed

955
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: or we're getting divosed, but literally no one, no one

956
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 1: told me. No one told me. Cut to It's Revlon

957
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 1: Run Walk time, and Lily Tartakoff, the incredible sweet woman,

958
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: asked me to host, be one of the host committee.

959
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: Where you go and it's this big thing in Times

960
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: Square and there's just, you know, thousands of people going

961
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: to do the run walk and you get up on

962
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: stage and talk and I'm always terrified, but I was like, yes,

963
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: of course I'll do it because they were doing such

964
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: incredible research at the time. Right, So I go and

965
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: all the writers came. I was like, they're just being

966
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: so supportive because I still know nothing.

967
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: Unbelievable.

968
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: Then we're walking through Central Park, right, we're doing the

969
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: actual run walk, and different ones are coming up to

970
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: me crying like it's so amazing that you're doing this, and.

971
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I'm just doing it as a favor.

972
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: Wis and what's going on? Like I had no idea.

973
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 3: I have to tell you, that is a testament to

974
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 3: so many things. I had the worst wigs ever known

975
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 3: to man, like so bad that once I spent an

976
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 3: entire day wearing one of them backwards, and I did

977
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 3: not even know.

978
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: I do think that's how I finally figured out.

979
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 2: It was how I figured out. I don't even know.

980
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 3: Here I am in New York, the land of where

981
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 3: you think you could get good wigs. I don't know,

982
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 3: or I just didn't.

983
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: I don't know.

984
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: Maybe your mind was just not on the line.

985
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 3: I think my mind was not on it. But I

986
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 3: will say that, and we'll talk about this Samantha storyline

987
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 3: of it, that it was actually Michael's idea to do it.

988
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 3: Like I was working on the show, but I was

989
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 3: quite tired. But I would show up and we'd hang

990
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 3: out in the room and he's like, uh, we're doing

991
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 3: your storyline, like he just Jesus, And I was like, wait,

992
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 3: what what? I don't know if I And it wasn't

993
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 3: that I was uncomfortable telling the story. I was more

994
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 3: like I was in it. So it was hard to

995
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 3: imagine to write about it. You were still still in it,

996
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:09,959
Speaker 3: still in it. I don't think I realized that either,

997
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 3: But in retrospect, it was, I mean, what a miraculous

998
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,479
Speaker 3: thing to be able to do. There were so many

999
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 3: miraculous things about my going and I am fine now,

1000
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 3: I've been fine for over twenty twenty even five years. Yes, amazing,

1001
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 3: But that HBO allowed me to continue to work and

1002
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 3: allowed me the grace to go and have my chemo

1003
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 3: and then come to work.

1004
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: Wow.

1005
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 3: And that to be able to write about the thing

1006
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 3: that's the most painful, whether it's like a bad date

1007
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 3: or going through cancer is a gift. Like then you

1008
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 3: get to put it out there and it's not scary.

1009
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 2: People can relate. R you know, I felt like I

1010
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 2: was helping people. You were, but it helped me like

1011
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 2: to be able to write them now.

1012
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 3: Of course, the way Samantha went through it was way

1013
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 3: more Samantha of course then me for me. And she

1014
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 3: was wearing the pink wig, she was owning it, she

1015
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 3: was and I think that was a great way for

1016
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 3: me to kind of live through her, to do it

1017
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 3: the way she would do it as opposed to me

1018
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 3: kind of crawling my way through with bad wigs. But

1019
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 3: but and Michael was a gift to me during that time.

1020
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 3: How did you know, Like there was a point where

1021
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 3: I had because they were giving me steroids, like I

1022
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 3: blew up like a michelin Man and Michael so kind

1023
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 3: that he called it my cocoon of healing.

1024
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 5: Oh so sweet as you that's adorable.

1025
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: Might have been when I figured it out.

1026
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 2: I mean I did figure it out at some point,

1027
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: but then I was like, how good what I figured?

1028
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 2: Everybody knew.

1029
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: But I mean, I think it was more like because

1030
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: I do think that as close as we all were,

1031
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: we also had a mission, right. Our mission was like work,

1032
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: work all night, work all night, you know what I mean.

1033
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: And I think that Sarah Jessica. I think I went

1034
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 1: to Sara Jessica at one point I was like, Sir Jisca,

1035
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: what's going on?

1036
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 2: What is happening?

1037
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: And she was like she don't want any want to know,

1038
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: and she just wanted to work. And I wanted to

1039
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: respect that, and I was like, I'm so glad, but

1040
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 1: also like I feel I'm.

1041
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 3: Not really sure that that was the case, but I

1042
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 3: think it was really respectful of people, not because I

1043
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 3: think also I certainly at the time did not want

1044
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 3: to be seen as a sick person.

1045
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 2: I think that's what it was, and like not all attention,

1046
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

1047
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 3: And I wanted to be the person I was, and

1048
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 3: of course I wasn't at that time in retrospect, but

1049
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 3: I wanted you have to do what you need, and

1050
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 3: being in that room it was, it was its own medicine.

1051
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 3: Being on that set, like to tell those.

1052
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: Stories was because I wasn't really sure, because then I

1053
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: felt really bad that I hadn't known and that I hadn't.

1054
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 3: Been my god, you holding onto this for a week.

1055
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: About it because like also then like whenever I did

1056
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: figure out, like I didn't want to make a big

1057
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: deal that I hadn't known, because then I was like,

1058
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: I'm just really dense that I didn't know. I don't

1059
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: think like, I don't think anyone lied. I just think it.

1060
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,919
Speaker 3: Respectful, right, And they assumed I know that was likely,

1061
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 3: Like yeah, it was.

1062
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: But then I was like, oh, that's why they were

1063
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: all crying at the Revlon run walk.

1064
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 2: Huh.

1065
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 5: I thought they were just moved by me, But no,

1066
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,479
Speaker 5: I thought they were moved by all the people because

1067
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 5: when you are there, you're just like you can't believe

1068
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 5: how people are going through it, and also family members

1069
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 5: are there to sort of is like you know, I

1070
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 5: would cry every time I went right, it was a lot, but.

1071
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: The fact that you were going through it at the

1072
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: time that we were all working was just incredible to me.

1073
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 3: It was to be to have that show and to

1074
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 3: have the support of everybody while I was going through it.

1075
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 3: People don't have that in the real world. I mean,

1076
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 3: you get sick and easy, and there are not employers

1077
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 3: who say please, please keep working.

1078
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,479
Speaker 2: I mean I wanted to and they.

1079
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 3: Said yes, please, God, yes, yeah, I get it. In

1080
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 3: a writer's room that said, oh listen, just lie down

1081
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 3: on the couch.

1082
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 2: It's fine. You know, we'll go down to satin cover it.

1083
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: You know it was. It was really lovely. Now, mister

1084
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 2: crying anyway, you can cry, we can cry, we can laugh.

1085
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. But it is one of those things too,

1086
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 1: where I I mean, like out of all the different

1087
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: things that happened, and so so many things happen obviously,

1088
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: like over the years, but I mean, that is a

1089
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 1: very unique and interesting thing that you went through and

1090
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 1: then to be able to contribute it to the show.

1091
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 1: And that's why I brought it up. So that people

1092
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: still talk to me about this.

1093
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 3: It means so much to me that it that it mattered.

1094
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 3: I mean, in retrospect, I never would have suggested we

1095
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 3: do it so I'm so glad Michael did that.

1096
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 2: It was funny.

1097
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 3: Just three or four days ago, I got an email

1098
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 3: from my surgeon, who I.

1099
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: Hadn't heard from. I remember her, well, no, so right.

1100
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 3: Doctor mcandrew's my oncologist who we used in her name,

1101
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 3: but we also used my surgeon's name, doctor Steiner. And

1102
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 3: he said his fourteen year old was watching sex and

1103
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 3: at fourteen a little young, wow, but fourteen years now,

1104
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 3: fourteen year old grandchild.

1105
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: Okay, it's not young now, it's not young now, which

1106
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: is oh, God, bless all of you exactly.

1107
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 3: And she heard his name and I was like, is

1108
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 3: that you? And he wrote to me and it's like,

1109
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 3: it means so much to.

1110
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 2: Me that you gave me a shout out. I was like,

1111
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 2: you saved my life. That's amazing.

1112
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: But also like to have it be on film, right,

1113
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: so that means that even like people will talk to

1114
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: me now I'm going to cry because you know, you

1115
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 1: know so many people I'm sure you do too now,

1116
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: so many people who've gone through it, and it's so

1117
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 1: great to have it there so that you know, people

1118
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: say to me like, oh, when I was going to

1119
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: I was, you know, finishing my chemo when that storyline

1120
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: came on, and you know, Samantha was such a powerful

1121
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: character and people had so much you know, like respect

1122
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,959
Speaker 1: and love for like her just her power in life.

1123
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: And to have her be the one who went through

1124
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 1: that was so amazing to watch and beautifully written, obviously

1125
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: beautifully acted. And they still talk to me about, Oh,

1126
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: I was going through it then and then people now

1127
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: because it's on Netflix, it's available to all people at

1128
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: all times. And it's just such a strong, strong testament.

1129
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 1: And we're a half hour comedy show, right, It's amazing

1130
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: and they let us do that, yes, and you guys

1131
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 1: did it so brilliantly and it's still funny and still.

1132
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 3: And heartbreaking and all of that. I feel like we

1133
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 3: were able to do that with a bunch of things, right,

1134
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 3: Like when you think about Miranda losing her mother, I

1135
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 3: mean that, God, Julian and Lisa so emotional and heartbreaking

1136
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 3: and yet like life affirming, right, because it's about friendships

1137
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 3: and who who supports you in events chosen family, which

1138
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 3: in the end we all say that's what the show was.

1139
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 3: I think it's about the four of you in the relationship.

1140
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 3: I'm saying you like you're the character I.

1141
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: Am, I can't ever say the right names. I'm like,

1142
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 2: and then Sarah did this.

1143
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 3: But I think because we were and that was the

1144
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 3: other thing that made the show so unique.

1145
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: There weren't that many.

1146
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 3: Shows that were that bordering tonally comedy and tragedy. And

1147
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 3: and sometimes you would laugh, you know, as Michael would say,

1148
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 3: like if you could laugh in the episode once and

1149
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 3: cry once, that's.

1150
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 2: A great episode, which is amazing.

1151
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: I like people now, I'll do it more now that

1152
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: they're streaming and you can binge and it gives some

1153
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: tonal freedom. But I think when we were still you know,

1154
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: on the proper television, HBO was really kind of the

1155
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: on the forefront of letting us do all the things.

1156
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was okay.

1157
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 3: It was okay to have those moments and not have

1158
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 3: someone talking all the time, Like just sit in a

1159
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 3: moment and look at someone's face and know what they

1160
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 3: were failing instead of it being joke, jok joke totally.

1161
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 3: So I think, you know, the cancel line was only

1162
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 3: one of a couple that we were able to do

1163
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 3: and get.

1164
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: Away with Charlotte, you know, infertility.

1165
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 2: The infertility I mean, and there's so many women still

1166
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 2: go talking about that. Yeah, I'm sure they stop you

1167
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 2: all the time and talk about that.

1168
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: They do, they do. They also talk to me a

1169
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: lot about Judaism.

1170
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 2: Well how about that?

1171
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 3: I mean that was the big test that we wanted

1172
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 3: to give Charlotte was what if she comes up against

1173
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 3: someone like that, someone that you don't expect her to

1174
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 3: fall in love with, right, And it was the Judaism

1175
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 3: was only part of the whole package of this kind

1176
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 3: of brusque guy who's not He's the opposite of Trey,

1177
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,439
Speaker 3: who was everything that she thought she wanted. He ended

1178
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 3: up being just a misfire literally and figuratively, I know,

1179
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 3: which is.

1180
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: Still so sad, I know, I know, glorious at the

1181
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: same time, and.

1182
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 3: Kyle was so so fantastic. I mean, no one else

1183
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 3: could have done it the way.

1184
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: No, I mean that was the other thing is once

1185
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: we got going, you know, we did have our magic,

1186
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: and then the people that you guys chose, you know,

1187
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: to add to the mix were all so perfect and great.

1188
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 3: Well, it also got easier as time went on because

1189
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 3: people wanted they knew the show, they wanted to be

1190
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 3: on the show, which is a great thing, which is

1191
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 3: such a moment a moment.

1192
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 2: There were a lot of moments like.

1193
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: That, so many moments. All right, thank you for going on.

1194
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 2: I'm so happy to have been here.

1195
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 3: What a joy, what a trip down memory lane, I know,

1196
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 3: And it's fun to take it, don't you.

1197
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 2: We can do it again, We can do it again.

1198
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: And I just want to thank you, you know, thank you.

1199
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna suit by you, guys.

1200
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 2: I know, I feel so lucky.

1201
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 3: I could not agree more. And I think we we

1202
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 3: as writers say this to each other all the time,

1203
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 3: is we were all so lucky, so lucky, so lucky

1204
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 3: to have this moment in time, to be there. And

1205
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 3: none of that has to do with any of the

1206
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 3: kind of accolades or anything that came with it. It

1207
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 3: was being able to be raw and honest and funny

1208
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 3: and real and be with each other. Yeah, and take

1209
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 3: that trip and make this thing and make this thing

1210
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 3: that turned out people liked.

1211
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: It was amazing, and I mean we would have loved

1212
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: it anyway, you know what I mean. It was like

1213
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: Isaac on the cake going It was so crazy. It's

1214
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 1: still so crazy. So thank you, Thank you for all

1215
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: of your contributions, so so many. And also see I

1216
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: learned this whole thing. I didn't know that you were

1217
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: there so early with Jess Michaelen, Darren, Yeah, I love that.

1218
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: Thinking about that, the Spot postulations