1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: I'm Stacy Marie Ishmael, Managing editor of Crypto for Bloomberg News, 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: and this is Bloomberg Crypto at Daily Bloomberg. I heart podcast. 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: It's Monday June. Have you heard the one about the 4 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: crypto investor who got hacked and lost all their bitcoin? 5 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: It's true. Cryptocurrency spam, hacks, and fraud are all on 6 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: the rise. That means there's an urgent need to think 7 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: about the security risks to these often valuable digital investments. 8 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: Today I speak with Bloomberg reportsa Hannah Miller about the 9 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: nature and scope of these hacks, and I talked to 10 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: a Wrong Way Google, a professor, and a CEO of 11 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: a security firm about how to avoid them. Hannah, Hi, 12 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you. 13 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: I am really really glad you're able to come on 14 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: the show because you have been covering well. In addition 15 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: to covering everything that you're covering, one of your recent 16 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: stories was all about how social media hacks are particularly 17 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: affecting people who have invested in crypto or who are 18 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: thinking about investing in crypto. People may have heard about 19 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: folks losing their board apes because they clicked on a 20 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: SPAMMI link on Instagram. Can you just talk a little 21 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: bit about what it is going on out in this 22 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: wild West world? Yeah, I know, there's obviously a lot 23 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: going on. I think crypto has really been entangled with 24 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: scams for a very long time, and we've really seen 25 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: an upswing recently in people using social media as a 26 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: tool to rip off crypto investors. And a lot of 27 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: that comes down to, you know, people posting malicious links 28 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: click here and all your wildest dreams will come true, 29 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: spam bots spreading those links, and you know, people really 30 00:01:55,360 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: not being aware of the risks that they're taking when 31 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: and you know they're on social media looking at crypto projects, 32 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: you know, interacting with different accounts. So it's a it's 33 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: a pretty interesting phenomenon and something that the industry really 34 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: has has been grappling with. What does that experience look like? I, um, 35 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: you know a person on Twitter, on on Instagram, on Facebook, 36 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: I see somebody being like, hey, click here to get 37 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: a free board ape. I think that sounds amazing given 38 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: them board apes are selling for hundreds of thousands of dollars. 39 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: What are the mechanics of how these scams work? Yeah, 40 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: a lot of it comes down to mimicry. So you 41 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: might be interacting with an account that looks like it 42 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: comes from an official source. You know, maybe they have 43 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: a handle that's really similar to you know, the name 44 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: of an actual company, or they seem to have, you know, 45 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: tweets that show legitimate activity in the space, and clicking 46 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: on that link might lead you to a website that 47 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: even looks like the official website for an n f 48 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: T collection or startup, and you know, you're asked to 49 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: link your wallet, and that just opens you up to 50 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: you know, having n f T stolen from you, which 51 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: was the case with the you know, board eight pack 52 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: that we saw recently. So I'm a person who you know, 53 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: I click on this link, I don't realize that it's 54 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: it's not official. I hand over my credentials, and then 55 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: some nefarious person on the other end it's like, great, 56 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: we now own all of your stuff. Yeah, pretty much. 57 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: I mean you it can happen very quickly. And again, 58 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: you know, people think that they're going into something that's legitimate. 59 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: They think that they're you know, maybe gonna be a 60 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: part of an n f T drop or crypto giveaway, 61 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: and they're excited and they might not pay attention to 62 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: signs that this isn't a legitimate operation. I'm so glad 63 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: that you said. There's two things in there that are 64 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: so important, right then, not paying attention and the being 65 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: excited pot Because you know, when I've when I've studied 66 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: and reported on misinformation and disinformation and why people fall 67 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: for things online, it's often because you're in an emotion 68 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: chanel state that makes you particularly susceptible to making a 69 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: bad decision. And in this case, it sounds like you know, 70 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: these these these scammers, these hackers, they're preying on that 71 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: not wanting to miss out on a deal instinct, or 72 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: just the thrill of being invited to participate to something 73 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: up your life that are insane. Yeah, that's exactly what's 74 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: happening here. Um. People get excited, they you know, jump 75 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: on board. And in some cases too, it's the actual 76 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: account belonging to the startup or the n f T 77 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 1: collection um, which adds another layer of deception. WHOA, Okay, 78 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: so I might actually be looking at a legitimate Twitter 79 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: accounts or Instagram, but they have been hacked. And then 80 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: so when I click on those links, even though I 81 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: think I'm doing the right thing because I check to 82 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: see that Hell, okay, this is the verified account. This 83 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: looks legit. Turns out it wasn't legit after all. Yes, 84 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: that's a exactly what happened with the Board eight hack. 85 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: It was their official Instagram account that was compromised. We 86 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: don't really know the details of how that happened. A 87 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: lot of people think it's because of social engineering that, 88 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: you know, some an account holder for the board apiacht 89 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: Club Instagram handle was somehow manipulated into you know, giving 90 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: access um. But yeah, this was the official board apiacht 91 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: Club account and it linked to a website modeled off 92 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: of the board apiacht Club website. So really there was 93 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: just uh an extra level of trickery here. So a high, 94 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: high level of sophistication is what we're dealing with, correct, 95 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: Given that, it seems to me a little bit unfair 96 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: for folks to be like, well, you should just pay 97 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: more attention to the incidents and not click on any links. 98 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: I like, if people are trying to do the right 99 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: thing and they're still getting scammed, what are the big 100 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: social media companies doing about this? What are the big 101 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: crypto companies doing about this? Because that does seem to 102 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: be a direction that you know, systemic intervention sounds like 103 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: it's what's needed here. Yeah, I know what the big 104 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: tech companies do have options here encouraging users to do 105 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: things like two factor authentication to secure their accounts, you know, 106 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: requiring them to have it secured both via email and 107 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: phone number. That's something that can help increase security. Uh. 108 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: There are also you know, options like using AI to 109 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: clean out spam bots that might be spreading these scammy links, um, 110 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: and these tools for filtering out spam bots. Those also 111 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,679 Speaker 1: come at a cost to the social media company because 112 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: it clear it lowers their user a count, which isn't 113 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: a good look. So basically, by reducing spam activity, you 114 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: reduce overall engagement. And there's some some analysts looking at 115 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: metrics and being like why are your numbers down exactly? 116 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: And for a company that's reporting those things and earnings, yeah, 117 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: it's not a good look. Um. Yeah no. And with 118 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: these user accounts, you know, they're also specific policies uh 119 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: that prevent spam accounts being in place. Twitter requires BOD 120 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: accounts to be identified as BOD accounts. Um. They have 121 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: reporting tools that users can you know, put in concerns 122 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,559 Speaker 1: about suspicious activity that they see on the platforms. So 123 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, there there are steps that they can take. 124 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: And as for crypto companies, you know, it's very interesting. 125 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: A lot of these companies are growing very quickly, they're 126 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: very young, UM, and they might be more interested in 127 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: hiring you know, engineers, developers, people who can help them 128 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: build out the product. And where they're cutting corners is cybersecurity. 129 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: And part of what UM you know, recommendation that I've 130 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: heard is that they should actually focus on hiring cybersecurity 131 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: specialists early on, especially those who specialized of blockchain and 132 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: you know, investing in that part of their business and 133 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: that could help prevent scams down the line. UM. They 134 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: can also do things like offer bug bounties, So if 135 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: white hat had er see some sort of vulnerability in 136 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: their code that could be used to scam users, they 137 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: can work with the white hat hacker and actually reward 138 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: them for for finding this flaw and you know, kind 139 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: of advertise that to get more white hat hackers on board. 140 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: And the idea of a white hat hacker hacker these 141 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: are like these are the good ones. These are the 142 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: ones who are not trying to steal money from people. 143 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: They're trying to stop people from having money stolen from 144 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: them exactly. They're using their expertise to find flaws in 145 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: you know, different in the security of different platforms, and 146 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: uh there will alert teams as to you know, what 147 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: they can do to to patch these areas. Other than 148 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: you know, while we wait for the big tech companies 149 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: to put these things in place, and other than people 150 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: just not clicking any links on the internet. Ever, if 151 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: you had one piece of advice for folks who will 152 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: worried about these kinds of scams, what would it be. 153 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 1: Pay attention, you know, see whether like this is actually 154 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: a legitimate operation. Check the Twitter handle, see if it's verified. 155 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: Really you know a lot of these startups too, like 156 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: they're pretty easy to reach out to, like on Telegram 157 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: or Discord or whatever may like, do your homework essentially 158 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: and try to find out whether this is like a 159 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: legitimate announcement and really just I I don't recommend connecting 160 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: your wallet to anything unless you're a pent sure that 161 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: this is a real thing, a real legitimate operation. Awesome, 162 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Hannah. You can find more of 163 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: Hannah's repoising on the Bloomberg terminal. Of course, on Bloomberg 164 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: dot com and on Twitter at h G milla nine. 165 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. So what can we do about 166 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: these hacks? And how can people protect their digital assets 167 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: in an increasingly decentralized environment. Wrong Waygo is the chief 168 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: executive officer of a blockchain security firm, Cult Curtic and 169 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: an assistant professor at Computer Science at Columbia University. Professor, 170 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: what I'm hearing from you is we're dealing with a 171 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: couple of things at once. We're dealing with more of 172 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: these hacks. We're dealing with more sophistication in terms of 173 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: these hacks, a bigger range of types of people who 174 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: are being targeted, and you you work with different firms 175 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: and companies to help them protect themselves and their users 176 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: from these kinds of exposures. What does that look like 177 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: in practice? You know, webstue and website are quite different. 178 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: Webstry apps are built on top of blockchain, which can 179 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: be viewed as a world computer that no one has stopped. 180 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: So if obser the deployment meant even if people have 181 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: identified militia transactions or code of avulnerabilities in their programs, 182 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: is very hard to make changes or a hatches so 183 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: that's why we have to make sure that the software 184 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: all these applications are as cure as possible before the 185 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: deployment and on the on kind of the individual consumer side. 186 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: And like one of the things that you have alluded 187 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: to a kind of quote to you on this in 188 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: her story is around the idea of falling for what's called, 189 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: you know, social engineering. How do you help people not 190 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: fall for social engineering? So where where you know somebody 191 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: is manipulated into revealing credentials, Yes, it's there. It's a 192 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: good caution. How to I would say, how to protect 193 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 1: you're accust you're as a form social engineering? One chips 194 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: is as for all these accounts you are vality, the 195 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: costs or their social medium accounts should be associated was 196 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: let's say the phones or email addresses that are not 197 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: publicly available for other people. So that means if somebody 198 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 1: calls you and that you know, it's suspicious because nobody 199 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: should have it. Got it? Um? What do you think 200 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: the responsibilities are of you know, these decentralized companies that 201 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: are coming up or even the web two ones that 202 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: are playing in crypto in terms of user protection, Yeah, 203 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: they have played their Their responsibility is to making sure 204 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: their system their applications are are as you care as 205 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: as possible. But as I mentioned, website is quite different 206 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: from Websture company. Many have webbed to several defense techniques. 207 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 1: Just counst be applied directly to this new too. Men, 208 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: due to the challenges that I've mentioned that you can 209 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: add patches right you you call many changes after the deployment, 210 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: so they shouldn't make sure that their their software, our 211 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: secure are free of boom better to before deployments, which 212 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: is not a you know, a practice that will be 213 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: followed by web to company, but they have to situate 214 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: in web streets. Well, thank you very much for joining us, professor, 215 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: who really appreciate you taking the time. Okay, yeah, Man 216 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: of Thane. On the next episode of Bloomberg Crypto, have 217 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: you ever heard the saying everything is bigger in Texas? 218 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: The same applies to mining bitcoin in the state. The 219 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: States of Texas is flush with bitcoin miners, including the 220 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: city of Fort Worth that started a small mining operation 221 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: out of its city hall. Tomorrow I'll talk with Bloomberg 222 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: report to Mike Smith about what makes the states so 223 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: attractive to crypto enthusiasts, and you'll hear from Lee Bratcha 224 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: ahead of the Texas Blockchain Council, who will share more 225 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: about that partnership with the City of Fort Worth. I'm 226 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: Stacy Marie Ishmael, and this is Bloomberg Crypto, a daily 227 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: podcast from Bloomberg and I Heart Radio. For more shows 228 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: from I Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, 229 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Email your questions, comments, 230 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: or suggestions to Crypto at bloomberg dot net. 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