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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is

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Speaker 1: Hot Pursuit.

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Speaker 2: Okay, today we have a pretty fun and interesting show

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Speaker 2: I have here with me in our New York studio.

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Speaker 2: Ali Javidan who runs Range Energy. It's a business that

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Speaker 2: powers trailers. Of the tractor trailer duo we all know

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Speaker 2: so well, and we'll talk to him about that for

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Speaker 2: a second. But I just had him on my TV

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Speaker 2: show and it was really cool because, you know, Katie

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Speaker 2: Greifeld and Shanalie Basset co anchor my show with me,

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Speaker 2: and it's all about markets. We mostly talk about, you know, finance,

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Speaker 2: but they were both enthralled with the tractor trailer story.

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Speaker 2: And then I found out that they also have, like me,

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Speaker 2: dreams of becoming a truck driver one day.

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Speaker 3: Awesome.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people have that, Hannah.

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Speaker 4: Do you ever, No, no, no, no, that's my nightmare.

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Speaker 1: But I do think a lot of people have like

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Speaker 1: a secret fan want to see about that lifestyle.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't get it seems like horrendous to me.

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Speaker 2: To me, it seems great, just because I spend so

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Speaker 2: much time driving anyway, I listen to the radio a lot,

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Speaker 2: So Alie, I want to first before we get into cars.

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Speaker 2: Obviously it's a cars podcast. Hannah and I talk about

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Speaker 2: cars all the time, and it's it's not a business

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Speaker 2: related thing. It's just like what we love, you know,

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Speaker 2: the passion for the industry and the hobby. Really, but

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Speaker 2: I think your business story is just so fascinating that

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Speaker 2: people would like to hear about what you've come up with.

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Speaker 2: And then we'll get into your history with Tesla and everything.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, tell us.

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Speaker 2: About the range energy trailers and all of the things

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Speaker 2: that they can do beyond just extending the range of

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Speaker 2: a diesel tractor or even a n EV tractor.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. So the range story basically actually started way back

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Speaker 5: in around two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 5: when I was at Tesla and we were just kind

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Speaker 5: of talking about all of these different that's a hint

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Speaker 5: of how we met Hannah in the first time. The

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Speaker 5: first time boy about just all of the different things

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Speaker 5: that need to be true for electrification to kind of

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Speaker 5: be all over the place. And supercharger networks were one

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Speaker 5: of the ideas, and and uh, and this kind of

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Speaker 5: one of our evs was just kind of bounced around

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Speaker 5: and a couple of people even looked at it, and

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Speaker 5: to kind of progress through my career, I came to

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Speaker 5: this point to where I said, I went from Tesla

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Speaker 5: to Google, then from Google to Zekes that then got

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Speaker 5: acquired by Amazon. And after the acquisition at Amazon, I

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Speaker 5: started to think, well, what else can I work on

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Speaker 5: that I'll actually have a more near term impact on

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Speaker 5: our environment than than what we're hoping to have with

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Speaker 5: Level five or level four point five autonomy. And the

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Speaker 5: commercial trucking industry kind of came up and and I

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Speaker 5: started to look around and to see what the technology

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Speaker 5: what would the effectiveness could be? And I noticed that.

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Speaker 3: One thing was being left behind.

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Speaker 5: It was the box, the trailer itself. And I'd been

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Speaker 5: driving trucks and trailers literally since I was fourteen years old,

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Speaker 5: automotive space, one thing that's always been there is been

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Speaker 5: the trailer. And in all of these early days, I

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Speaker 5: of this like aha moment for me was, well, nobody's

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Speaker 5: developing an electric trailer. We're now at the point with

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Speaker 5: on the roads. Well, essentially, what we're building is a

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Speaker 5: so that's kind of that idea that sparked in twenty

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Speaker 5: on our roadways, not only for efficiency and the environment,

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Speaker 5: but also for safety as well, because we're adding a

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Speaker 2: And the traction I think is so cool because when

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Speaker 2: you're going up a hill now you have essentially all

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Speaker 2: wheel drive for an eighteen wheeler, that's right, And you've

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Speaker 2: also managed to torque fill at a time when the

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Speaker 2: torque is so important to the driver. Right when you're

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Speaker 5: It's a little scary, it's totally scary. I mean, if

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Speaker 5: hoping that you're not burning out the motor whatever. And

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Speaker 5: what we did, we did the same we did that

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Speaker 1: Can you just enlighten me a little bit about what

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Speaker 1: exactly range energy provides. Are you you're selling electrical batteries

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Speaker 1: that attach to diesel trucks. No, the actual service.

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Speaker 5: If you think about the tractor and the trailer that's

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Speaker 5: the driver sits in. It's the truck, the cab, many

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Speaker 5: different names for it. The trailer is the box. And

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Speaker 5: what we're doing is we're one hundred percent focused on

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Speaker 5: have an intelligent drive system that looks at the interactive

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Speaker 5: And we do this without any can connection. We don't

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Speaker 1: So how do you, guys sell, I mean, do you

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Speaker 1: approach individual private drivers, do approach fleets? What's the business

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Speaker 3: It's a great question.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we approach the fleets, and we talked to the

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Speaker 5: fleets and you know, small and large fleets. This could

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Speaker 5: be the Walmarts and Amazons of the world, or this

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Speaker 5: could be like our current customer, Pedaluma Farms, which is

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Speaker 5: a local northern California egg farm, and we provide trailers

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Speaker 5: Great Dane trailer or Wabash trailer, any of the brands.

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Speaker 5: And what we're doing is essentially creating a smart electric

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Speaker 5: one of our biggest current form factors is the refrigerated trailer,

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Speaker 5: because we are the only solution that can continuously sustain

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Speaker 5: the refrigeration unit while providing drive, and we are currently

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Speaker 5: the only path. You know, Thermo King just signed with

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Speaker 5: And don't forget those refrigeration units. It's kind of like

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Speaker 5: third the refrigeration. The bottom two thirds is a diesel

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Speaker 5: engine burning about two gallons an hour just sitting there.

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Speaker 5: Keeping the box cold and so, and it's making noise.

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Speaker 5: So you can't even do your food deliveries at night

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Speaker 2: This is why I think it's such a cool company

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Speaker 2: of Moto journalists, I just thought, Okay, it's a range extender,

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Speaker 2: So I thought that was very cool. By the way,

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Speaker 2: And but how did you meet Hannah because.

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Speaker 5: All right, so the story goes, so Hannah and I

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Speaker 5: kind of I know Magnus. I'm not friends with him,

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Speaker 5: we've kind of met each other a few times, and

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Speaker 5: Pebble Beach and things like that.

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Speaker 3: But where we first.

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Speaker 5: Met was actually at Classic Car Club here in Manhattan

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Speaker 5: first time. I was the handler for Elon. I was

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Speaker 5: the engineer and I was sitting in the backseat while

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Speaker 5: you and Elon and the video and the camera guy.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: So that was the first time.

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Speaker 4: What year was that? Was that like two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 3: Nine ten timeframe?

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Speaker 4: You know what? That is wild?

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Speaker 1: And I remember that, you know, I remember that because

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Speaker 1: that day Elon was talking about cars being computers. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it was the first time I had ever heard

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Speaker 1: He was trying to explain how it's going to be

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Speaker 1: but I want to take it back to the trailers,

440
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 1: because like with all the racing, did you just sort

441
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 1: of pick up the skill of being able to drive

442
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 1: a tractor trailer just by necessity basically, so because that's

443
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 1: not a normal skill to have.

444
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 5: Well, it was mostly most of the stuff was all

445
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 5: kind of smaller scale, like not it wasn't full uh

446
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 5: Class eight stuff. But my cousin, who I'm closest to,

447
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 5: uh and I kind of grew up on my uncle's

448
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 5: farm and so there was like always towing something around

449
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 5: with a tractor. And then it was like, okay, you

450
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 5: could do that when you're like eight or ten. Now

451
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 5: when you're like twelve or fourteen, you can take the

452
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 5: pickup truck and take this, like, you know, this trailer

453
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 5: across the street to the neighbor's house because they need

454
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 5: the trailer. And then you just drive. And when you're

455
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 5: in a rural neighborhood, you kind of like all bets

456
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,919
Speaker 5: are off. And then it became my cousin and I

457
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,919
Speaker 5: were the go to for all of our friends, like

458
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 5: can you help us tow this boat? Can you help

459
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 5: us move this thing? And then by the time I

460
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 5: was around nineteen, my cousin and I had a towing

461
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 5: company where we had our own tow trucks, recovering cars

462
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 5: for the CHP and for Triple A.

463
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 3: Yeah we're eighteen or nineteen years old.

464
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, So for all of the people who have the

465
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 1: fantasy about being a truck driver, what do you want

466
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: to tell them? Is like the one thing that's going

467
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: to be really a surprise and a lot harder than

468
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 1: they may expect.

469
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 4: So is there something.

470
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Speaker 5: Yeah, First, I will preface all of this by making

471
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 5: sure that everybody understands I'm not claiming to be a big, like,

472
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 5: you know, multimillion mile Class eight truck driver. I'm you know,

473
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 5: I have an incredible amount of empathy for those those folks,

474
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 5: and they are some of the hardest working folks in

475
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 5: the entire country, and New work and we work with

476
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 5: a lot of them, we employ them, that we love them,

477
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 5: they and everything that we're built like. We actually have

478
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 5: a tagline that says our innovation is driven by empathy,

479
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 5: and that's empathy.

480
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 3: For the driver.

481
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,360
Speaker 5: So we actually start We start by building a system

482
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 5: that gives the driver the most comfortable and safe driving

483
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 5: experience possible, and then we look at how we can

484
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 5: extract efficiency numbers from that. And that's where we get

485
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 5: these drivers flocking to us and saying, oh my gosh,

486
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 5: please don't take this track this trailer away from us.

487
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 5: My old peter Bilt feels like a brand new Tesla Semi.

488
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 3: I love it.

489
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: So I just learned when I was talking to you

490
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 2: earlier in the green room about the lack of a

491
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 2: torque converter. I had no idea that the transmission was

492
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 2: so different.

493
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 3: In a big rig, you have.

494
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Speaker 5: A ton of torque that's either coming out of the

495
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 5: motor or needs to be reacted on by the weight

496
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 5: of the whole system, and so there's no true automatic

497
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 5: trans Actually, I think Allison is just now releasing a

498
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 5: new automatic transmission soon that has a torque converter. But

499
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 5: a Class eight tractor trailer has a semi automated manual

500
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 5: because of the big torque transitions. So what that means

501
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 5: is that if you're on an eight percent grade with

502
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 5: a full load, you can't get above fourteen to eighteen

503
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 5: miles an hour because you can't tolerate the time that

504
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 5: it takes to shift, and it's always monitoring torque and

505
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 5: it doesn't want to blow the transmission up and it

506
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 5: doesn't want to burn the clutches out, so it's in

507
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 5: this kind of perpetual back between first and second or

508
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 5: second and third gear. What we do is we sense,

509
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 5: because we can kinematic again first principles thinking, we can

510
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 5: sense the interactive forces and we categorize that, oh man,

511
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 5: this trailer or the tractor is trying to shift. So

512
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 5: now we do our torque fell algorithm and so we

513
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 5: kind of as the torque is dropping from the tractor,

514
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 5: we fill the torque on the trailer intelligently because we're

515
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 5: looking at those forces in real time, and then we

516
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 5: make sure that we make that feeling seamless. And now

517
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,479
Speaker 5: you get a shift that used to take one second

518
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 5: or one point two seconds down to like zero point

519
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 5: three seconds now. And it's also extending the life of

520
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 5: the transmission too, So there are all of these other knockdown,

521
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 5: knock on benefits that that show up.

522
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 2: We're back to the trucks.

523
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, Matt, Like it's it's like surprisingly fascinating. Yeah,

524
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: you're completely sight about this. I'm like, wow, okay, And

525
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: I mean I got more questions about EVS, but.

526
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 2: And it's so multifaceted. I want I wanted to ask about.

527
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 2: So what I find so interesting is suspension engineering and

528
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 2: the transmission technology, right, and because I think what what

529
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,239
Speaker 2: we all want, and especially a purist like Hannah, is

530
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: really good mechanical grip. Right, And that's what I heard

531
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 2: you and Matt talking about a couple of times when

532
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 2: you're testing that car, but also in reference to your

533
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 2: GT three and to the most successful kind of cars

534
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 2: that that we like that we like to talk about.

535
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 5: I find I think maximizing mechanical grip is good. It's

536
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 5: you know, it's kind of the mission of all the

537
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 5: new super hyper mega cars. But I think for me,

538
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 5: as a pure driving enthusiast, what I would prioritize is

539
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 5: actually feeling the level of grip at all times over

540
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 5: maximizing the grip I would rather have. So, for example,

541
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 5: I have a nineteen seventy one BMW two thousand and

542
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 5: two with weighs two thousand pounds as about two hundred

543
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 5: and eighty horsepower. It is the most fun car I've

544
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 5: ever driven, and I've driven all the great seventy three

545
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 5: rs and all of this stuff. I actually went from

546
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 5: a two oh five that had pretty good two five

547
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 5: section tire that had pretty good grip down to a

548
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 5: one eighty five, So that and my lap time's went

549
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 5: down a little bit because I can actually now predict

550
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 5: when the car is uh is coming off off of

551
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 5: its grip. Like you know, Hannah, you do all of

552
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 5: these vintage rallies, like how good does a proper bias

553
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 5: ply tire that sized properly for the car feel and

554
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 5: how predictable does that feel when you have the right

555
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 5: amount of grip, not too much grip.

556
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 4: That's everything. That's everything.

557
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 1: I mean, that can make just what you're saying, like

558
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 1: a car that doesn't have gobs of horsepower a really

559
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: fun car to drive, because then you're working with weight

560
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: and momentum. Yeah, and that's to me actually more fun.

561
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 5: And the more grip you have, the more it masks

562
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 5: all of the different things that are happening in the car.

563
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 2: It's so funny that we focus on at least I do,

564
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 2: you know, horsepower and torque and you know the traction

565
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: control systems and all this stuff. But when we hear

566
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 2: I mean you're at the Formula one race right when

567
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: we hear drivers talking, or I watch Motor GP more

568
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: when I hear pilots talking, it's all about the tire.

569
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: I mean the tire. There should be a podcast that's

570
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 2: just about tires, you know.

571
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 4: I'm sure there is hire Dead yet.

572
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: I was just listening yesterday to getting ready to talk

573
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: to Alexander Rossi and he's got a podcast mostly about IndyCar.

574
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: But there they talk all the time just about tire degradation.

575
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: That's like fifty percent of their conversation.

576
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: Really, it's true, but it's also the feel like you know,

577
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: if you if you can tell when your front end

578
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: is about to wash out, then you know when you

579
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: can be at one hundred percent.

580
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 5: Exactly, like you can start feeling like I mean, that's

581
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 5: the brilliance of an early nine to eleven is that

582
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 5: steering is so direct and you're sitting on top of that,

583
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 5: that steering axis and you actually feel feel the little

584
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 5: differences in weight when when you're kind of in a

585
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 5: rut and you come out of a rut in one

586
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 5: little lane and like the most insignificant thing that you

587
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 5: would never feel is just such an event. In the

588
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 5: nine to eleven. It's a positive event because you always

589
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 5: feel like you have control if you're driving it properly.

590
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 3: But it's it's there.

591
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 5: And I think that's one of the challenges of you know,

592
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 5: when you do a restomod, for example, if you do

593
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,479
Speaker 5: it balanced and correctly, you can kind of translate that

594
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 5: feel up uniformly. But a lot of these folks that

595
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 5: kind of hit and miss are the ones that are

596
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 5: putting too much grip too much roll control and too

597
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 5: much power in a platform that really needs more l Again.

598
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 4: It's never meant for that, that's right.

599
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like, if you look at the nine to elevens,

600
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 5: like the Singer versus a nine to eleven k that

601
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 5: Tuttle's building, it's like insane, Like I would take you know,

602
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 5: one Tuttle car over four or five of the Singer

603
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 5: cars as beautiful and gorgeous as they are just everyone.

604
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: I've never driven a tuttle car, but like the seriously

605
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: serious nine to eleven guys are all about Tuttle forget

606
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: any marketing. They don't need to market like, which that

607
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: is legit.

608
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 4: Completely, That's that for sure.

609
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: I mean I have to ask Ali, you're you really

610
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: sort of saddle two worlds between the EV's. But then also,

611
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: like we're talking about classic cars and air cooled Porschas.

612
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: That junxtaposition is so interesting, right.

613
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, can can the two exist happily together sustainably,

614
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, forever in the future? And like, are you

615
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,479
Speaker 1: optimistic about EV's when all we hear about and I

616
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: admit I'm part of the media writing these stories, but

617
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: that EV sales are going down?

618
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I'm still very optimistic about EV's. I think, say,

619
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 5: EV sales are going down because we have market saturation,

620
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 5: plus a little bit of an ambiguity of what the

621
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 5: next phase of EV's are going to look like. You know, Volksmen,

622
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 5: is no good charging network for it, and what's the

623
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 5: charging network going to be to support what I'm building?

624
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 5: So I think, you know, for me, the way I

625
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 5: balance this is, I will I love all of my

626
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 5: environmentalist friends, but I will never give up my my

627
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 5: old cars. But they they're used in context, right, And

628
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 5: and my commuter is a Rivian, and I love my truck,

629
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 5: and I could never imagine driving another truck now that

630
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 5: I've had this Rivian. And so I think if we

631
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 5: contextualize these these tools, then there's plenty of room for

632
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 5: you know, I actually envisioned an amazing world where we

633
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 5: could go drive up in the La Canyons and we

634
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 5: have no commuters up there because down in the you know,

635
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 5: taking the the express lanes on their EV only highway, right.

636
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 4: Right, great, great scenario. I love that idea.

637
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 3: So imagine a world like that. And I actually think.

638
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: Where the Angelus Crest is.

639
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think at the end of the day.

640
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 5: We have to make room for both. We have to otherwise,

641
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 5: otherwise nobody's gonna win and nobody's gonna give in.

642
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: It's just so interesting that so you are, at the

643
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 2: same time someone who loves and appreciates you champion the

644
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: analog sort of feel of, you know, the pure experience,

645
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 2: and as a technology innovator, you're like pushing the envelope

646
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: of the future. So you're like, you've got one hand.

647
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 3: I'm trying to offset all my old cars.

648
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: But is there is there like a technological innovation that

649
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 2: you absolutely love and would want to put on your

650
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: BMW two thousand and two.

651
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I'm actually going through a full tear

652
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 5: down and rebuild to put a modern CANbus twelve V

653
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 5: backbone in the two thousand and two so that when

654
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 5: I'm gone, my kids can know how to service it

655
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 5: and deal with it with whatever future tools the mechanics

656
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 5: are going to have. So I think that there's some

657
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 5: room for modern modernization and a lot of these new

658
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 5: restorations that are out there. But I also think that

659
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 5: there's some room for electrification in some of these restorations

660
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 5: as well. I personally don't think at nine to eleven

661
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 5: is the right car to electrify. But like we're all

662
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,959
Speaker 5: the Cadillacs and lowriders and like Lincoln's and like electrify

663
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 5: those don't put some LS motor in that, Like that's

664
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 5: what needs to be electrified. Electrify some of these old

665
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 5: trucks that are driving around that are just kind of

666
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 5: like show pieces, Like those are the things that we

667
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 5: should start thinking about electrifying as resto mods. And and

668
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 5: I think again there's room.

669
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 3: For all of it.

670
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 5: We just can't look at it as kind of an

671
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 5: absolute and and you know, I would love to have

672
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 5: an old electric Bentley or an old Rolls Royce that's

673
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 5: been converted to electric and just works every single time.

674
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 5: And but I wouldn't want an old electric Mira forget that.

675
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, would you electrify a roller Hannah?

676
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: Never? No, No, I mean I can support your your viewpoint,

677
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: but for myself, no, I would never.

678
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 3: I wouldn't do it or Rolls Royce either.

679
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: Don't worry, Yeah, I just it comes to me. It

680
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: comes back to the charging network at this point. You know,

681
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,479
Speaker 1: it's less about like how I think it would drive

682
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: and more about the reality of trying to live with that.

683
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: I would hate it. I would just hate it. I

684
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: get a lot of stress trying to charge in LA.

685
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: Even that reminds me of one thing that I had

686
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: I've been wanting to ask you. I spent the last

687
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 2: week driving GMC Sierra EV and I think it's a

688
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: great use case for electric vehicle. Like it's the truck

689
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 2: is so big. I can fit my two daughters car

690
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 2: seats in the back, and you know we can fit

691
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: this strollers in the bed obviously, you know, for a

692
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: family vehicle. I think everyone now understands that a pickup

693
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: truck is a fantastic solution. Sure, and you know, the

694
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 2: EV propulsion system means it's not as herky jerky. It's

695
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: very smooth and quiet. And the one thing I've noticed

696
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 2: though in and I love I love, by the way,

697
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: the infotainment that GM. I think and Mercedes are the

698
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 2: two manufacturers that really get it right.

699
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 3: But are you sure about that? I really think, I

700
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 3: debate you.

701
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think there's another one that's better?

702
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 3: Mercedes is horrible? Probably we love it.

703
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 5: I think it's I love Mercedes. I am die hard

704
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 5: Mercedes Benz. I think the three hundred SL is the

705
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 5: greatest car ever made.

706
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 4: What's the problem with the inbox?

707
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 5: I think, so we just bought a g l E

708
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 5: sixty three S. We got Lemon Laude A a year ago,

709
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 5: and then we went after the Lemon law we went

710
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 5: to go a new one and they went from the

711
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 5: push buttons to the capacitive touch. And then I started

712
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 5: to spend more time with the new version of MBUX.

713
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 5: And before this I had an s FI fifty or

714
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 5: a five eighty sixty whatever S class with that same infotainment.

715
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 5: It was frustrating the number of redundancies that they had

716
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 5: for interactions in the vehicle, where you just started to

717
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 5: get confused about what interaction should I prioritize over the other.

718
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 5: And in fact, I don't want redundancy. I want this

719
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 5: to do something different. And so there was redundancy but

720
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 5: no flexibility in the infotainment layout. In addition to that,

721
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 5: it's frankly just too much. It's too distracting for at

722
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 5: least for me. And I think like, for example, if

723
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 5: you look at the previous generation g Wagon where it's

724
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 5: relatively simple, there's a screen there, I think the bus, Yeah,

725
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 5: I think that hit it. Well, Like for me, this

726
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 5: kind of two thousand and fifteen and through twenty twenty.

727
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 5: Time frame twenty nineteen kind of was the sweet spot,

728
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 5: and they've gone a little bit too far on the

729
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 5: current model. And that's literally why I don't have an

730
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 5: S class right now, because I don't want to buy

731
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 5: that infotainment system.

732
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: The thing with the redundancies is I can see your point,

733
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: but to my mind, it's like, oh, there are different

734
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: ways to get to the same spot, which is to

735
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: me more convenient.

736
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 4: Sure, Like I don't have.

737
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: To go through only one There's not only just one

738
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: channel to get to whatever I want to do.

739
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 4: I can find it a couple ways.

740
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 5: There's this philosophy called paradox of choice where when you're

741
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 5: under pressure the you know there's a bunch of different

742
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 5: elements to paradox of choice, but you don't want to

743
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 5: hand the customer too many options. And the reason that

744
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 5: I'm confident in saying what I am is because then

745
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 5: I went out and bought a Cayenne and the new Cayenne,

746
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 5: which is a little bit more sparse and it does

747
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 5: have a little bit of redundancies, but it's straight into

748
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 5: the point. The buttons do what the buttons need to do.

749
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 5: Capacitive touches there for the more deep interactions, and they've

750
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 5: layered those interactions in such a way that do not

751
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 5: distract you from the point of driving to drive.

752
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 2: I do think also especially for an S class, like

753
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 2: on a nine to eleven, I sort of want the

754
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: volume control on the steering wheel as well as the

755
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: knob right, But on the S class it can just

756
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: be the knob. I don't need the steering wheel volume control.

757
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: I think it should be on both well.

758
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 5: But I also think that like these little elements, like

759
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 5: for example, one of the things that we we learned

760
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 5: in the early days of Tesla was that different manufacturers

761
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 5: will put the volume on the different side of the

762
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 5: steering wheel, and like, why does Mercedes put the volume

763
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 5: on the right side when there's another knob in the

764
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 5: center console and sometimes in rob on the dash, it

765
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 5: should be on the left side. When you're one hand

766
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 5: driving with your arm on the on the on the

767
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 5: windowsill and your other arm is you know whatever, holding

768
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 5: your partner's hand or whatever you're doing, you want to

769
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 5: have the volume kind of so you want to distribute

770
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 5: that interaction so that you always have a way like

771
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 5: if you have a soda in one hand, and you

772
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 5: want to turn the volume up on the radio, Like,

773
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 5: what are you going to do if it's in your

774
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 5: right hand?

775
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 3: You tell you it?

776
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 4: Ali, are you right handed or left handed?

777
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 3: Left handed?

778
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: Me too?

779
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: The best people are, okay, So this so a counterpoint

780
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: to this though, I think you want a left handed

781
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: roller button because you're left handed. Because for me, one

782
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: of my favorite little inventions ever is the right handed

783
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: on steering wheel volume control in a Mercedes because I

784
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: don't have to take my hand off the wheel. I mean,

785
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but I'm nine and three.

786
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: All the time, I never remove my hands from the yeah, right.

787
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 5: But yeah, I just see it as an efficiency thing

788
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 5: where you can play with the volume with either hand.

789
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm biased.

790
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 2: I just want to quickly interject that Dodge has the

791
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: best system with the knobs behind the steam hearing wheel

792
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 2: for channel changing of volume. Anyway, Anyway, we could debate

793
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: this forever. I wanted to ask you an ENVH question,

794
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 2: which is I've discovered in the GMC Sierra EV that

795
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 2: I'm driving it was also the same in the Hummer

796
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: GMC Hummer EV and the F one fifty Lightning that

797
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 2: I hear a lot more cabin noise and kind of

798
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 2: rattles and squeaks of the headliner and all that stuff

799
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: in these big electric trucks than I ever have in

800
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 2: a gas truck or a diesel truck. And it just

801
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 2: made me wonder, does the motor drowned out somehow the

802
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: sounds of the car in a way that the EV doesn't.

803
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 2: Is that a problem that maybe Tesla worked on.

804
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 5: Or I think it's a multi So there's it's a

805
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 5: compounding problem. So there's what you said. So you haven't

806
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 5: an engine in there, no matter how smooth it is,

807
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 5: when it's under torque, it's vibrating and it's making some

808
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 5: noises and things like that above about thirty to forty

809
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 5: miles an hour, unless you have like a real performance car,

810
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 5: everything comes from tire and wind noise. So that being said,

811
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 5: when specifically, the vehicles that you mentioned now are being

812
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,959
Speaker 5: built with stiffer structures because now they have batteries in them,

813
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 5: and the vehicle structures of these things that used to

814
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 5: be trucks are now much more like SUVs and vehicles.

815
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 5: And if you don't treat the other elements that you know,

816
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 5: the interior MVH pieces, it's almost kind of like the

817
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 5: vehicle was engineered and the NVH was kind of pasted on,

818
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 5: and then the next generation is going to have purpose built.

819
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 5: And I'm not in these companies. I'm not making any

820
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 5: claims or any of that stuff, but that's the perception

821
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 5: that I have. But you know the reason I say

822
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 5: that is that when we built those first handful of modelsses,

823
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 5: we actually had to hire more people into the NVH

824
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 5: team to really kind of come back and say, Okay,

825
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 5: how do we actually fix this the right way? And

826
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 5: we innovated a lot in NBH, even on those first

827
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 5: models's in ways that you know a lot of the

828
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 5: different car companies started to follow. So there is both

829
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 5: sides of that.

830
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: Can I just jump in and say, for anyone who

831
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: doesn't know, NVH is noise, vibration, and harshness Basically whatever

832
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: noise comes in through the car, through the engines, tailpipes, road.

833
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 3: Noise, break, squeal, interior rattles, all of that.

834
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 2: And in the EV obviously there's no underlying motor I

835
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: mean engine sound to mask anything, so it's very quiet.

836
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 2: I of course put the fake sound on in any

837
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: EV where I have the option, and I usually love it.

838
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: And this is the thing, and I think I'm ridiculous,

839
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: but you know what, the Chevy has a great sound.

840
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 2: Mercedes I love their fake you know, engine sounds. And

841
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: you were saying that I think the Ionic n which

842
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 2: is by the way, totally different from any other EV

843
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 2: and that you can shift it, which is also a

844
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 2: very cool thing that I'd love to have you explain.

845
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: But you said you like the noise that the totally

846
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 2: fake noise that that makes too.

847
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that was fake enough and to where

848
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 5: it was not cartoony but not trying to be engine. Yeah,

849
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 5: the the Ionic five end was a really cool experience.

850
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 3: You know.

851
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 5: The thing that we always say a lot of people

852
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 5: talk about the kind of the simulated shifting or the

853
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 5: fake shifting, it's actually not that. It's actually simulated torque

854
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 5: and power curve then that you can then shift through.

855
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 5: And so that's the real key element here is that

856
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 5: when you're on the track or even driving in the

857
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 5: canyons or whatever with an Ionic five V and even

858
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 5: in the traffic, you actually feel that torque and power

859
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 5: curve rise and then drop back down, and then your

860
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 5: natural intuition is I need to shift, I need to

861
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 5: shift and it almost just comes as like second nature

862
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 5: in that vehicle. And it's because not because of the noise,

863
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 5: not because of your ability to interrupt torque with a

864
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 5: shift lever, but it's because it's following a very very

865
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 5: specific torque and power curve. And one of the things

866
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 5: that Matt and I, Matt Farah and I were talking

867
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 5: about with the Macon and we talked to the Hundai

868
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 5: engineers about this is put a dial in here so

869
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 5: that I can actually go through different engine maps. So

870
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 5: I want to see what a V twelve swap is

871
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 5: like in Ionic five N or if someone LS swapped it.

872
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 5: So then you have all of these different power and

873
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 5: torque curves that you can experience in your Ionic five

874
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 5: in or you know, Portion wants to do it with

875
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 5: a Macon or something like that, and it really it

876
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 5: amplifies the experience beyond just you know, some some noises

877
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 5: with shifting fun.

878
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 2: All right, dude, let me just get your favorite cars

879
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 2: and then we'll go. Okay, I mean, I know you

880
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 2: mentioned a few that you have, and the two thousand

881
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 2: and two I imagine would be at the top.

882
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 3: Of your list personally.

883
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you have a GT three or you had

884
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 2: a GT three as well, And.

885
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, you had a nine nine one GT three. Uh,

886
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 5: sold that and then bought a car that had back seats,

887
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 5: which was a nine nine one dot two Targa GTS

888
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:52,479
Speaker 5: and mint Green.

889
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 2: And did you like the Targa better? Because I feel like,

890
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: for NVH, the GT three is like too much for

891
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: a daily.

892
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 5: The Targa's got its fair share of squeaks and rattles,

893
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 5: but it's not a stiff. It's not as stiff. But

894
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 5: you know, I so obviously my my cars are never stock.

895
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 5: So my Targa has like roof suspension and wheels, and

896
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 5: alois kind of blessed the car with a bunch of

897
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 5: his cool parts. But the reason I like that Targa

898
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 5: is there's a bunch of history with Targa tops and Porsche,

899
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 5: and I'm I really really love the history of Porsche.

900
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 5: I love the history of BMW, which is a whole

901
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 5: different subject, but the Targa was always something really special

902
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 5: to me. And the first Porsche that I really fell

903
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 5: in love with was a nine sixty four Targa in

904
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 5: mint Green when I saw that as a kid. And

905
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 5: then you see all the cup cars and all the

906
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 5: fun colors and nine sixty four cup cars back in

907
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 5: the nineties. I was like, oh my god, now I

908
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 5: love porsia. And so then I literally was in the

909
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 5: middle of the pandemic on my birthday scrolling and I

910
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 5: was on peak car market and I said, oh, look

911
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 5: at this mint Green manual nine nine one dot two

912
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 5: Target with zero miles on it on this auction site

913
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 5: and it closes on my birthday today. Click done, And

914
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 5: so I bought it. It was I was like, I

915
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 5: looked at my wife at the time. I was like, hey,

916
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 5: I'm buying this and she said, are you okay? And

917
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 5: so anyways, I bought that car. I love that car.

918
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 5: So anyways, that's my That's the car I put the

919
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 5: most number of miles on. It's got over forty thousand

920
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 5: miles now in three years. I've driven it up to

921
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 5: Jasper and Vamp and back a couple of times. And yeah,

922
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 5: yeah on LA from the Bay area San Jose.

923
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 4: Wow, Yeah, that's impressive.

924
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 3: I drive that car a lot.

925
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 4: That's great.

926
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 3: As Magnus says, dirt don't slow you down.

927
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 5: And so and then my other car is my nineteen

928
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 5: seventy one BMW two thousand and two that I've had

929
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 5: since ninety seven. It was my college cheap beater for

930
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 5: five hundred bucks and it's been rebuilt a couple of times,

931
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 5: and then it ended up being in the BMW Museum

932
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 5: in Spartanburg and it was it won a bunch of

933
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 5: events during Pebble Beach Car Week when I finished it.

934
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 5: So that's kind of my favorite car ever. Now the

935
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 5: car that's missing from my collection is an Early nine

936
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 5: to eleven, and I would say, for me, the ultimate

937
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 5: early nine to eleven is a seventy three RS and

938
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 5: then second place is nine cc four career RS, And

939
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 5: both of those are kind of on my radar right now.

940
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 5: Whichever one I find. There's a lot of seventy three

941
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 5: rs is out there, but I kind of really want

942
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 5: a nine st four RS the most.

943
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: I'm with You do well on your hunt. You'll have

944
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: to come back and tell us when you find one.

945
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I would you find the one for you?

946
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 2: Well? We do.

947
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 5: We do one of these the fun things that we

948
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 5: do at Range is we do community days for the

949
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 5: drivers and for our partners, and we do these community

950
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 5: days at big racetracks, and so we rent the racetrack

951
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 5: for the whole day we did. The last one was

952
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 5: at Sonoma Raceway. We'll invite you folks to come out.

953
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 5: We'll have some fun cars to drive around and you

954
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 5: can bring whatever you want.

955
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: I look forward to it.

956
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 3: Royce is welcome absolutely. Okay, good, Well we'll have Matt

957
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 3: bring his Bentley out.

958
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 2: All right, dude, so great to meet you. Thank you

959
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,240
Speaker 2: so much for coming in. It's been such a pleasure

960
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 2: and it.

961
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 3: Was so great to see you.

962
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well that was a great conversation. I'm

963
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 2: so glad we could get him in and on the

964
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 2: show and on my TV show as well.

965
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, we need to have him back. He's really fascinating.

966
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I look, I feel like there's a font there's

967
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: a well of stuff still to come from him. He

968
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: was explaining like how Ken Block when he was first

969
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 2: doing an EV, Jim Conna realized that there needed to

970
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 2: be a torque curve, an artificial torque curve, and that's

971
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: how like they got to that. And also how like

972
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: he realized there needed to be torque phil in a

973
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 2: big rig transmission. Like all this stuff that's way beyond

974
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 2: my brain.

975
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: But I also like how he he like doesn't shy

976
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: away from answering questions about Elon and the early days

977
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: at Tesla. Yeah, because that's what I mean for me,

978
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: that's I want to know all the gossips.

979
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 4: So that's cool.

980
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 2: Elon Musk has such great hair now, and in the

981
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: early days of Tesla he was like as bald as

982
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: I am. I gotta find his guy, find his guy.

983
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 2: I gotta find his hair guy. All right, Well, that

984
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 2: does it for today's show. I had a great time,

985
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 2: so thanks for joining me.

986
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 4: Me too.

987
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: I still don't want to become a truck driver, but

988
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: I'm interested.

989
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 4: I'm in a think it's fascinating.

990
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 2: I totally want to. I mean, if if something were

991
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 2: to happen to my wife and kids, you know, I can't.

992
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 2: I like, your bed could be behind you. That's so awesome.

993
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: You're driving in a cab that has a whole thing.

994
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 2: I would love it, just chasing that a long white line.

995
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 4: What would your name be on the ceber?

996
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 2: My dad's uh, my dad's handle was Snowball, which I

997
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 2: don't know if that had any kind of double entendre.

998
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 2: When I was a kid, I didn't really think about it,

999
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 2: but I think I might adopt that for some reason.

1000
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 4: I like that inherit it love it on the internet.

1001
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 2: I'm shower fan in any of the forums that I

1002
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 2: hang out in.

1003
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 4: Oh, no baths for you.

1004
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 2: I just when I was a kid. I love to

1005
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 2: take showers. I could have spent hours in the shower.

1006
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 2: I still can. My wife yells at me all the time.

1007
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 4: Hours in the shower.

1008
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 2: The Matt Miller story, Yeah, that's my that's my autobiography.

1009
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 2: All right. Cool. Uh. We'll be back with you, same time,

1010
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 2: same place next week, and as usual, shoot us any

1011
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,919
Speaker 2: emails if you like. Hot Pursuit at bloomberg dot net

1012
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 2: is our address email address. And that's how I knew

1013
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 2: that it's not Angeli's Crest because somebody emailed me and

1014
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:40,959
Speaker 2: was like, dude, you're you're wrong.

1015
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 4: You know what?

1016
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: That is a Tomato, Tomato Porsche type of thing. I

1017
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: don't think you should feel bad about that.

1018
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 2: I if it's Tomato Tomato, I have no problem. But

1019
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 2: if it's Porsche Porsche, I have an issue because the

1020
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: name is Porschae. That's a family name, Porsche.

1021
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: I know, but I am not going to be so

1022
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: pedantic as to call someone out for quote unquote saying

1023
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: it wrong. If they say Porsche because sometimes that just

1024
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: flows better when you're speaking. You know, we naturally do

1025
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 1: you say Caribbean or Caribbean, Well, it kind of depends

1026
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: on what I'm saying in the flow of my conversation.

1027
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 2: True, Also, sometimes it just sounds cooler, Like when Tom

1028
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: Cruise says Porsche in Risky Business. I wouldn't correct him.

1029
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 4: I'm not going to correct Tom Cruise.

1030
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 2: I am pretty pedantic when it comes to language a

1031
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: lot of times, but not on that issue.

1032
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 4: Okay, well, I got questions for you that we're going

1033
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 4: to talk about later.

1034
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 3: All right.

1035
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is

1036
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Speaker 1: Bloomberg