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Speaker 1: Times have converted it into the Spin Room. I'm joined

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Speaker 1: now by the Democratic National Committees. Deputy Communications Director Adrian Watson. Adrian,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being here, Thanks for having me, and

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Speaker 1: there's going to be a record number of candidates. How

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Speaker 1: tell me about the qualify what it takes to qualify

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Speaker 1: to be one of the twelve contenders on the stage tonight.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you hold that, Michael. So that's a good question.

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Speaker 1: You know, throughout this process we have been intent on

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Speaker 1: making it transparent, fair and most of all inclusive. So

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Speaker 1: we have set really low thresholds for the debates. You know,

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Speaker 1: for the first two debates we had twenty candidates, ten

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Speaker 1: like it's been a really fair threshold, really inclusive, and

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Speaker 1: now it's resulted in a twelve people on one stage,

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Speaker 1: which is a lot. But you know, one thing we

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Speaker 1: learned in Houston was how much people like seeing all

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Speaker 1: the candidates that I think Americans love debates, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's good just to hear from everyone, you know.

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Speaker 1: I actually see a lot of similarities from the Republican

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Speaker 1: National Committee of the last cycle and this cycle. And look,

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Speaker 1: of criticism by like twenty presidential kids. Totally. But you know,

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Speaker 1: also they insisted on having a you know, j V

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Speaker 1: forward for us in terms of where the next debates

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Speaker 1: So for the November debate, the threshold is a three

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Speaker 1: about how they spend their money and if if you're

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Speaker 1: we're trying to account for that. So you can also

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Speaker 1: hit five percent into too early state polls are Adrian Watson.

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Speaker 1: I've been told that you have to get back to

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Speaker 1: the chairman, Tom Perez. So thank you for stopping by

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Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio. Deputy communications director for the Democratic National Committee.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you coming on. Thanks for having me. I'm

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Speaker 1: joined now for some final thoughts by Adam Green, a

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Speaker 1: founder of Bold Progressives, and Wendy Benjaminson, she of course,

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Speaker 1: is Bloomberg News Politics editor. What are you going to

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Speaker 1: be looking for tonight? Wendy Benjaminson. Well, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: be looking to see how many of Joe Biden's rivals

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Speaker 1: to be looking to see if Elizabeth Warren is going

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Speaker 1: be interested to see what Pete Bodhadge does, because he

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Speaker 1: And if he has a breakout moment, that could be

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Speaker 1: what about you, Adam, I'm looking at three things. First

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Speaker 1: which is why I remark about it. Second, I'm looking

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Speaker 1: Warren to all face adversity in this debate, which is

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Speaker 1: generalizable to the general election. It will be interesting to

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Speaker 1: see who can do political jiu jitsu, who can turn

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Speaker 1: and who can all right, So the political jiu jit

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Speaker 1: Adam Wendy. So you've got Birnie s No, I can't

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm a runner, you know, and I'm a runner.

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Speaker 1: So but anyway, uh so you've got Bernie Sanders on

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Speaker 1: us through the jiu jitsu mindfield, I said it right

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Speaker 1: that time, one dude, take you there? Well, I think

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Speaker 1: what we were just saying is that, you know, Joe

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Speaker 1: He needs to stay focused. He needs to be you know,

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Speaker 1: show some message discipline about Trump, about Elizabeth Warren, about footage.

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Speaker 1: respectfully disagree with my friend here, Adam Green, that Um being,

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Speaker 1: you know, being interested in some people having private health

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Speaker 1: He's not gonna come out from but he is going

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Speaker 1: du Biden. I'm really fascinated to see trade policy if

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Speaker 1: with regards to separating herself. I know when you're she's

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Speaker 1: she holds status which a lot of those people don't have,

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Speaker 1: Center Foreign Relations he was vice president. He did um,

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Speaker 1: What what do you say to to to Biden World,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to Bernie World, Adam that says that he

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Speaker 1: But she similarly catapulted ideas like a wealth tax and

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Speaker 1: you have to look, voters may want to be looking

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Speaker 1: for someone who will calm everything down, just to turn

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Speaker 1: never forget this that's a great point. Money. I'll never

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Speaker 1: it's it's interesting. Once the pressure on these other lower

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Speaker 1: like they've got all the pressure. The bottom line is,

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Speaker 1: even if they bombed and it, they're not going to

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Speaker 1: front runners. What about these lower to your candidates once

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Speaker 1: the pressure going to be on them? Adam to drop out? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we got a middle left him. Sorry. I mean

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Speaker 1: different cadidates have different imperatives, and those who are on

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Speaker 1: a trajectory to nowhere right now need to change their trajectory.

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Speaker 1: That means doing something to shake things up. Someone like

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren if she just keeps doing what she's been doing,

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Speaker 1: a tipping point where you're deciding whether you're doing more

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Speaker 1: you know, holy grail than you are just getting out

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Speaker 1: with some dignity. All right, Well, thanks guys, I appreciate

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Speaker 1: this was fun. Thanks for hanging out with me at

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Speaker 1: Autobonne University in Ohio. And thanks to Autobonne University, they

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