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Speaker 1: My guest today is Eliza Schlessinger, comedian and writer. You've

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Speaker 1: probably seen Eliza as hilarious stand up specials on Netflix

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Speaker 1: or her movie Good on Paper that came out last

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Speaker 1: year that my fiance Paul happened to produce. So I

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Speaker 1: was really excited to have a conversation with Eliza and

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Speaker 1: see what she's like offstage. Today we talked about comedy

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Speaker 1: in the era of cancel culture, the ups and downs

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Speaker 1: being a comedian, and so much more. Enjoy Um, did

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Speaker 1: I meet you in a comedy club ever? Or no? No?

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Speaker 1: And you starting Good on Paper which did really well

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Speaker 1: on Netflix. Yeah, I wrote it all came from a

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Speaker 1: general meeting with Paul in Boston several years ago. And

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Speaker 1: you know, you don't get very many yeses, like concrete

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Speaker 1: I was like okay, and then flow and behold we

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Speaker 1: made it happen. It's amazing, I know. And he's a

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Speaker 1: real estate developer by trade, but only he's produced twelve

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Speaker 1: movies as a side hustle, which is funny, and he's

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Speaker 1: doing more now. So does it count as a side

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Speaker 1: hustle if you've done twelve like on the side. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I am a beauty influencer on the side, now, you know,

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Speaker 1: and it's really on the side, like I have another

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Speaker 1: whole business that's not that because I don't wear makeup.

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Speaker 1: As you could see at this time, I wrestle with that.

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Speaker 1: I was like, am I putting on makeup for a

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Speaker 1: podcast and I've been not doing it because chances are

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Speaker 1: you and I were both doing something before this. Also,

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Speaker 1: like I just keep I was connected, like what are

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Speaker 1: we doing here? Like my trying to convince the world

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Speaker 1: that I have like a flawless Instagram tune face, like

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Speaker 1: I don't care who see me. I have no Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I want to look fresh, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I'll I might this might get posted on social but

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Speaker 1: I'm out here. I don't care either. I'm the same exactly.

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Speaker 1: I was just saying in a rant that I am

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Speaker 1: not a vain person, and I would like to be

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Speaker 1: slightly more vain. So then when Chico sideways, I could

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Speaker 1: at least look at my face and tell myself what's

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Speaker 1: wrong because no one else is going to tell me.

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Speaker 1: But no one else will ever say, especially in l A,

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Speaker 1: no one also ever tell you what's wrong. I called

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Speaker 1: my agent. I'm like, am I weird looking? Is that what?

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Speaker 1: I didn't get it? They're like, no, they love you.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, but I've seen your on TikTok or

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Speaker 1: is it Instagram reels? You're like, You're like, I'm calling

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Speaker 1: them like six second beauty or views. You're like, I

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Speaker 1: got this walgraen crap. Next thing, I got this all

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Speaker 1: may I have a billion dollars. This is a dollar.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Next thing like it's super low five.

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm sure people are sitting there like writing down.

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Speaker 1: I know. No, everyone's like not me at CBS dot

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Speaker 1: dot dot. It's really fun. I enjoy it. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know how to do my makeup before January one.

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Speaker 1: I decided to learn about it and I just did

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Speaker 1: this weird thing and now it's a thing. It's like

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Speaker 1: a thing thing. Um Okay, So you're in Marthrew's vineyard,

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Speaker 1: you live in l A and you know and look

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Speaker 1: reading about you and I know who you are. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how much I know who you are because

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Speaker 1: of Paul and then you now being on my radar

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Speaker 1: and then be following you on Instagram because you know

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Speaker 1: It's funny. I was talking to Toe for Grace the

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Speaker 1: other day about like levels of fame. He's the best

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Speaker 1: levels of fame where you're famous, but like you still

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Speaker 1: can have a life and you can go out and

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Speaker 1: you're like, you know, are you niche? I'm niche? Like,

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Speaker 1: so I was wondering if um, like, how famous are you?

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Speaker 1: What is your life in l A? I love, Let's

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Speaker 1: do l A and then let's do the like the

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Speaker 1: rest of the country, Like how on a one to

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Speaker 1: ten if Madonna's at ten or if Tom Cruise is

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Speaker 1: high school gym teachers a zero? How famous are you?

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Speaker 1: In your mind? Like with reality like people coming down

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Speaker 1: their time saying or I was saying, I saw your

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Speaker 1: certain groups. You know, like you were on Real Housewives.

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Speaker 1: But you're a businesswoman, so that tends to permeate other

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Speaker 1: circles that a woman with like a ship fashion line

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Speaker 1: may not. Well you also, but yeah, you're you've been

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Speaker 1: in movies, you're in a Netflix special, you're so I'm

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Speaker 1: asking you like a food fair. If you go to

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Speaker 1: can have it? Bothered isn't the word, but you know

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Speaker 1: But it's usually like it's usually a girl will just

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Speaker 1: and then they get excited or a dude will be like,

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Speaker 1: oh do you know these three other male comics. Awesome,

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Speaker 1: it happens, but you have to be at a serious

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Speaker 1: level of fame for it to actually be a hassle,

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Speaker 1: like right, and and people there are people that call

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Speaker 1: like paparazzo themselves. It's never been a bother. Has it

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Speaker 1: been creepy at time, sure, but it's never like please

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Speaker 1: my family and I just want to eat at all

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Speaker 1: of garden and privacy. So it's a nice level. So

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Speaker 1: you have a nice like it's a little sizzle, but

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Speaker 1: you could have your own life with your husband and

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Speaker 1: having not be annoyed. If you're walking through an airport, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's no annoyance because all so I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: think people forget in this day and age, like especially

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Speaker 1: as a stand up as a performer, like you have

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Speaker 1: nothing without your fans. This is it based on anything else.

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Speaker 1: This isn't like you put money in the market and

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Speaker 1: that's what did it? Like you should be respectful the

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Speaker 1: their lives to support your selfish art. You know, so

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Speaker 1: I always you always give me the time to day. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Why did you say selfish aren't? Because stand up is

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Speaker 1: this is your if you're a performer, you know this

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Speaker 1: comes from a place of like, hey, I need you

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Speaker 1: to look at me and hear what I'm saying. It's

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Speaker 1: not like I'm a doctor or I'm doing humanitarian like

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Speaker 1: So do you feel like you're a comedian first and

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Speaker 1: foremost and that was what you wanted to be or

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Speaker 1: to do that, and you wanted to write and you

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Speaker 1: wanted to be in movies, Like what was the trajectory

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Speaker 1: in your mind? Ah, I was always gonna be funny

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Speaker 1: So I always wanted to be funny for a living.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes that's in stand up, sometimes it's in a movie.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's in writing. You know, as an artist, you

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Speaker 1: just want to keep creating and affecting people. And I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't know that our world allows for that

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Speaker 1: understanding sometimes. But yeah, And your trajectory was getting up

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Speaker 1: I went to school in Boston and I went to

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Speaker 1: film school like everybody else, like every intern in your office,

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Speaker 1: I was someone's terrible assistant. But this is something you know,

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Speaker 1: here we are at thirty nine. So you got that,

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Speaker 1: doing it like every just going to every night and

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Speaker 1: then traveling and then doing that whole circuit. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean there is no people always ask advice like it's

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Speaker 1: you got to just do it. It's not like unlike

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Speaker 1: like you have to just do it. It's being a

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Speaker 1: it's being somebody who's in a kitchen actually because you

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Speaker 1: have to make a recipe, screw it up and again,

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Speaker 1: like you have to keep going. It's repetition and keep

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Speaker 1: going through and trying different ways. It's interesting. Is a

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Speaker 1: You love it so much even when it's the most painful,

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Speaker 1: only what matters is the voice in your head and uh,

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Speaker 1: Well it's funny because I don't know if everybody listening

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Speaker 1: met so many successful comedians, um, whether it's Kim Whitley

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I've always gravitated towards the Comedy Space.

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Speaker 1: I mean probably because as a kid, I was watching

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Speaker 1: Bill Cosby, so I'm aware of it, but it's so competitive,

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Speaker 1: and um, I did it one time. I don't Paul

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Speaker 1: And I did it at New York Comedy Club ten

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Speaker 1: days later, after calling some of these people that I

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Speaker 1: and each person had very different tips, like no two

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Speaker 1: think it was Kim Whitley or Kevin. I think it

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Speaker 1: was Kim Whitley who decided or asked me, like what

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Speaker 1: was my style? Like she was like, or Kevin might

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Speaker 1: have asked that, but she said, you're you rant, like

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Speaker 1: And then and we were talking. I was talking to

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Speaker 1: said translates so much further than just in comedy that

427
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,320
Speaker 1: if you're just vulnerable and honest, you know, without it

428
00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,040
Speaker 1: being canned. And I think a lot of times now

429
00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,400
Speaker 1: on social media people are trying to be so honest

430
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,639
Speaker 1: in a way that is designed for people to feel

431
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,359
Speaker 1: like sorry for them. And I think that's different than

432
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,600
Speaker 1: what you're saying. You're saying just truly truly authenticity, you

433
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:26,880
Speaker 1: know exactly. I also think and commitment like I remember

434
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,119
Speaker 1: or seeing you know, when you see kids do a

435
00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,080
Speaker 1: talent show or something like wait a second, I gotta

436
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,200
Speaker 1: start again, like let me started again, Like I wasn't

437
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,440
Speaker 1: ready like it's that it's Cameron Diaz in that movie

438
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,159
Speaker 1: My best Friend's Wedding when she was the worst that

439
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:42,119
Speaker 1: the karaoke but she just committed. I think commitment gets

440
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 1: you a really I think it also helps to look

441
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,760
Speaker 1: like Cameron Diaz. Like people are like, oh, you accidentally

442
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,359
Speaker 1: ran me over. It's okay, you're stunning, right, No, but

443
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 1: no to look Amy Schumer is beautiful. But Cameron Diaz

444
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,280
Speaker 1: was a model. But Amy Schumer committed in the movie

445
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 1: that movie it was it, what was I feel pretty?

446
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 1: When she got up in that Striptisia committed she was

447
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 1: a disaster, but she committed. I'm saying I think commitment

448
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 1: and comedy and a life goes a long way being

449
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:21,120
Speaker 1: just like dedicated to what you're doing, what people are being.

450
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 1: So people are being similar to that on social media though,

451
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 1: which is why I find it interesting, like people, oh

452
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 1: is it being so that people it's so immediate, so raw,

453
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 1: like because you're saying right, then you're exposed and it's

454
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 1: so vulnerable. Um and other places people will just say

455
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,679
Speaker 1: something and then walk away from it because it's not

456
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 1: so like the person is not right in front of you,

457
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,399
Speaker 1: not laughing, That's what I'm saying. Like, it's so just,

458
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 1: it's so like there's no middleman. You're not just putting

459
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,159
Speaker 1: it up somewhere, you're not posting it. It's not in

460
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:52,919
Speaker 1: a movie. It's you and the audience. There's literally no filter,

461
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 1: like there's literally And you know that's why there's different

462
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 1: social media too, Like Instagram is very different than TikTok,

463
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 1: which is hyper raw, hyper honest, and they want that

464
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 1: experience that generation does because I just obsessively watch both.

465
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,359
Speaker 1: But that's why, you know, people are very brave in

466
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 1: a comment section, people are very brave. It's very easy

467
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 1: to come out and call someone a name or say

468
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 1: they did something wrong. It's very easy to do that

469
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: behind the end and remity of a handle. So that's

470
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: why you can't really argue with the comment section, because

471
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Speaker 1: who the fund is that person? And for better for worst,

472
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 1: stand up comics have the guts to say what they

473
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Speaker 1: want to say and stand there in front of strangers,

474
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 1: and and you take that risk because you know that

475
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 1: what you have to say, at least for me, there's

476
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Speaker 1: an honesty and a beauty behind it, and and you're

477
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Speaker 1: coming from a good place. Well, let's talk about comedy

478
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 1: that lands and doesn't, and that could be the difference

479
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 1: between cancelation and not. I mean, by many other people's definitions,

480
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle would have been canceled ten times because of

481
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Speaker 1: the things that he is capable of saying, because he's

482
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: such a word smith and a craftsman and just like

483
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Speaker 1: probably that to me is probably the best ever. He's

484
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 1: like amazing male comedian, uh even rivaling Eddie Murphy and

485
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: and Richard Dreyfus. But other people, you know, Michael Richards

486
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 1: will be in you know, in a comedy club and

487
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: say something and be canceled forever. These are two very

488
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: different things. I mean, just in case your audience doesn't know,

489
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: referring to when Michael Richards, who played Kramer couldn't handle

490
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: a heckle, was at the laugh Factory, so I know

491
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: what that crowd is, and he just went on a

492
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 1: racist rand. He just kept saying in word over and over.

493
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 1: You can say things that are un pc, but make

494
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: sure it's funny. He wasn't saying a joke like you

495
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: may as well just be on the street. So that's

496
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 1: and that happens like that was just pure You lost

497
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 1: your cool. I understand what you're saying. It wasn't part

498
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: of an act that bombed, It wasn't part of a

499
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 1: it was a just a criticism. That's a great that's

500
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: a great note. So Dave Chappelle is saying things within

501
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: a context and crafting a story, and look, he gets

502
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 1: faulted for saying things to people get outraged. People are

503
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 1: very protective over what they are everybody. Nobody has a

504
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: problem laughing at everyone else. But when it's about you,

505
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: oh it's about women, or it's about my ethnic group,

506
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 1: for my religion, then people get very barked. And I

507
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 1: understand that without getting into specifically what Dave said. You know,

508
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: I have my own thoughts about trans jokes, and I

509
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: put them up there with oven jokes like I don't

510
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: like them. I don't do them. I don't think they're funny.

511
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,479
Speaker 1: That being said, if you've got a good one, okay, um,

512
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: But I always look at intention and context, you know,

513
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 1: And I think we go around getting very upset without watching,

514
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 1: without understanding those things, and people getting canceled upon. Right.

515
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 1: The market dictates the market. It's exactly I've I've said

516
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: things right now that a year ago I would have

517
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Speaker 1: gotten destroyed, for I did get destroyed and then said

518
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Speaker 1: the same thing a year later. Timing the tides where

519
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 1: people are, I think we're coming out of a time

520
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: of hyper hyper sensitivity and entering a time of truth

521
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: right now. I feel like there's a lot of truth

522
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: telling right now, and people would rather see warts and

523
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 1: all and unfiltered than sack or in fear based bullshit.

524
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: I think it's in then I gotta be like I

525
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: believe in and overcorrect. So I'm okay with what has happened,

526
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: because for so long it was just so unacceptable the

527
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: way women were treated conversation about people of color, things

528
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: like that gig, like certain words and slurs. I'm oh,

529
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: I like that these people that we have a voice.

530
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: It was heard. But now as we come back to

531
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: something in the middle, you know, this outrage culture, you

532
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: always have to look at who is outraged. And I

533
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: always joked because I was gonna make a TikTok about this,

534
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 1: and I talked about this, I did a Netflix taping.

535
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: White people are always trying to outwoke each other, hoping

536
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: that like a black person be like, wow, she gets it.

537
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: They're not gonna You're not gonna get a gold start.

538
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: So you, as a white woman flipping the funk out

539
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 1: about being anti racist on another white woman, It's just

540
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 1: do the work, do the real voting, have the real conversations.

541
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,479
Speaker 1: But a lot of it I call it performative ethics.

542
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: And this is not just white women. I'm just giving

543
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: an example. The it's rarely about correct action and education,

544
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: and it's always about burning someone and canceling someone. It

545
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: would be delicious one of your followers to find you

546
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 1: and be like Jeffany Frankel said this about so and so,

547
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: let's watch her burn versus privately damning you, like, hey,

548
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: Bethany said this one thing. I just want to let

549
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: you know this affects these people. But nobody does that.

550
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: Just say sorry, even say I'm sorry, I sucked up,

551
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: I did something wrong, tell me wrong. But also, by

552
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: the way, you notice, none of this is happening in

553
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: a real space. This is all happening on like Web three,

554
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: Like this is all happening in the comment section of

555
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: an app. Nobody has the balls to see this person

556
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: and say something to them in person. Because people are

557
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: gutless and bored and on the toilet. That's what this is.

558
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: It's easy to try to cancel someone because while I

559
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: didn't like her and she offended me this one time,

560
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: so she should burn because people are unhappy. It's shot

561
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: and fried. I agree if i'm I want to be

562
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: doing that? Yeah, I agree, And they went and it's

563
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: like a host and and parasites that fun when something

564
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: you do something wrong, all the parasites like flee to

565
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 1: the host to like suck off the blood. And literally

566
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: all you have to do is either give it no

567
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: oxygen or post something else, and the angry mob will

568
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: pick up their pitchforks and they will go try to

569
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: eat each other. Yes, there's a timing to it, because

570
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: you can poke the bear, but there is. It's like, yeah, yeah,

571
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: you have to, you have to let a breathe for

572
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: a second to it's it's insane what happens, and you

573
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: think it's real and it's usually not real, and brands

574
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 1: are scared and it gets to be this crazy as

575
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: you thing. But so how much what percentage of your

576
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 1: life in creativity are you a little afraid? Like how

577
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: much do you have to hold back? There's no way

578
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: I can't speak for you. You're saying every single thing

579
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: that comes to your mind. You say it, but I

580
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 1: think it's not even about I'm not good at math,

581
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,959
Speaker 1: So it's not about quantifying as much as when I

582
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: have a thought, like what's the kernel of that thought?

583
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: And then how do we contextualize it so that what

584
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:02,239
Speaker 1: I'm saying can have can misconstrued the least you know,

585
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: what's the right way to do this? Who do we

586
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: talk to in this joke? What words do we choose?

587
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: And that is when we get to the craft of

588
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: stand up and of comedy, whether it's comedy writing too

589
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: versus just being the funny friend, because I'm not a

590
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: fan of like, oh, I have no filter. I just

591
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: say whatever. It's like, No, this is a crap, Like

592
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: there's a reason you laugh at a joke and it's

593
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: not an accident. It was the words chosen, the numbers chosen,

594
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: Like there is an alchemy to this. Noah, of course.

595
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: And so when you're making these points, you know, you

596
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: can make a sloppy political point where you can really

597
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: hone in like the bad pitches what I was talking

598
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: about with the woke stuff, I'm like, it's a woke off.

599
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: It's about being scared that you will be called racist

600
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: sometimes it's not even about doing the work. It's just

601
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: nobody wants to look bad, you know. So just being

602
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: specific with your words, well that's by the way, in

603
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: every business meeting and every deal, the truth is I

604
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: have said things that could easily be said in another way.

605
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: You just didn't catch it. You just it's you can

606
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: get the same exact point across, and not everything needs

607
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: to be said. Sometimes something's just bugging me, and I

608
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: know the I'm gonna get slapped a little for it,

609
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: but I want to say it. But how am I

610
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: going to say it? You know? So I think that's

611
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: important too. It's also you know, you're a woman, so

612
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: whatever you say or don't say, Kennon will be used

613
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: against you. And so look, you've taken all this stuff.

614
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: I write about this endlessly. You can't let it drive

615
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: you crazy. You know, people could look at this conversation

616
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: and be like, there are two women. They're talking too fast.

617
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: You know. At the end of the day, we all

618
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: just do our best, and we all forget that other

619
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: people are doing their best when we're judging them. And

620
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: so it really is like, how do you just like

621
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: feel okay about yourself when you're not being told by

622
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: others you're doing a good job. I don't have that answer.

623
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: I feel bad a lot of times, but you just

624
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: do it your best, you know. Well, yeah, in the

625
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: words of Kathy Griffin, you can't be who you're not

626
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: um but social media, you're nodded when I said it's

627
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: not for therapy. Have you noticed what I've noticed? We

628
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: see people really emoting and I'm going through a really

629
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: hard time right now, Like this is the worst it's

630
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: ever been. This is my low. And I'm like, why

631
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: are you, Like we're you're calling me when this is

632
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: your low. We don't know each other that I think

633
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: there is that vulnerability and like i can't talk to

634
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: the people around me, so I'm just gonna share with

635
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: strangers because there is that lighter side where like strangers

636
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: will give you that positivity. Your mother's gonna that's dangerous.

637
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: That's a dangerous game. What's dangerous also is and I

638
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: talked about this. I have a chapter in my book

639
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,239
Speaker 1: called everything is a Scam. Oh my God, I say

640
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: all the time, everything is a scam. That's that's always

641
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: say all day. It's a scam. It's you're a New

642
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: Yorker and I'm from New York. But I'm really but

643
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: I was raised in Dallas, Texas, but I have that

644
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,959
Speaker 1: very East Coast everything is a scamp. I just had

645
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: to talk to assistant who bought me travel insurance. I'm like,

646
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: what is this and she was like I didn't know.

647
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're just a baby. It's a scam. You know,

648
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: we all want to help. I actually donate a lot

649
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: to your charity because you were doing a lot of

650
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: like boots on the groundwork in Ukraine. So I reposted

651
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: your charity because like, I don't know you, but I like,

652
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: I know her, I trust her, I knowall thank you.

653
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: So I did, but I was like, I know that's

654
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: not a scam. But a lot of times people post

655
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: and like your heart, your heart hurts, and you're like,

656
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: I want to help, And then you're like, how do

657
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: I know this person is real? How do I know

658
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: this is going to the right thing? How do I

659
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: know this is not a bullshit charity? And so people

660
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: are constantly reaching out and you're like, it's not that

661
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to help you, is that I think

662
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: you might be lying to me And you're saying that

663
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: because I love that you're saying that because in in

664
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: philanthropy it is the most scam ridden place ever and

665
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: it's a lot of celebrities posting links directing to other

666
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: people that are controlling the entire charity and they just

667
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: post the link because it looks like the cute picture

668
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: of a koala with oil on it, you know, from

669
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: a spill. Then you get dings. You know, you get

670
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: dinged for how you participate and how you don't. So

671
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: I post something, I'm like, you know, help the people

672
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: of let's say you praying, Oh my god, so you

673
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: don't care about these and these people, Oh you didn't

674
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: do this, and you're just like or then you do

675
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: still have a business. I have a platform to talk

676
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: about this because of comedy, So we do have to

677
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: get back to that to post postposed in the next day,

678
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: it's like, where's your posting about that? By the way,

679
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: beyond like it makes us all have to be doing

680
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: what we think we're supposed to be doing versus what

681
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: we're actually passionate about doing. Like I on the same day,

682
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: let's say a week, I can raise a million dollars

683
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: in a week with Ukraine, but also put on hair

684
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: and make up an eyelash and sit down and do

685
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: this podcast and also do something bank some superficial content.

686
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: Now I mean not post the superficient content that I'm banking,

687
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: because I know that that's like quote unquote tone deaf.

688
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: But why, I'm a mother and I work, I am,

689
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: I have air Mes bags and I send relief to Ukraine. Right,

690
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: it's not like it's not like you're live streaming yourself

691
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: from a funeral. Like you have a sense of decorum

692
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: and you are a multifascinated person. To moreover, this is

693
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: what is required of us in order to have the

694
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: platform so that we can be judged. And so I

695
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: was taking with a grain of salt, you know, And

696
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: I usually it's ignore those people. But I even talk

697
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: about in my book Help, It's why you can't live

698
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: for other people now facts, because the truth is I

699
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: talked about the luxury giveaway scams with and it was

700
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: the week that the Ukraine war broke out, and for me,

701
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: I was looking at Ukraine. So when I saw the

702
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian million dollars and air mes and Gucci boxes,

703
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: I was like, what the funk? But she's doing what

704
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: she does. She got paid probably a million dollars or

705
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars and she's doing what she doesn't Ukraine

706
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: not to pile on. I do think that family could

707
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: stand to do a little bit more public facing. But

708
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: they could then it's the reason that it's bullshit. That's like,

709
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't know, they could be donating

710
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: millions of dollars to help the sea turtles, and I

711
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: have no idea. I doubt you tend to know those things.

712
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. People who have a lot of money

713
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: tend to be very quiet about how they donate these

714
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: things because then everyone wants their money. I am here

715
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: and Martha's vineyard, I am seeing that everywhere. So I

716
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: guess at the end of the day, the lesson is,

717
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: if you want to hate someone, do it privately from

718
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: a burner and your Graham account and just watch them

719
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: at night gnawing on your knuckles like I do. But

720
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you just don't know

721
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: if someone's evil or you just you don't know what

722
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: they're doing. But I think it goes back to that

723
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 1: whole theme of you figuring out how to say things,

724
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,959
Speaker 1: and in order to do what you do and still

725
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: have a career, you have to figure out how the

726
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: delivery is going to be. I also think, you know,

727
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: there's the way that you say it, and then our

728
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: audiences are very afraid now, So there's certain buzzwords that

729
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: you say, Like I said Israel. I don't remember what

730
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: I was talking about. I said Israel in the crowd

731
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: went silent, and I called them out. I was like, oh,

732
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 1: so we can't even say the word Israel because you've

733
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: been if you say black, oh my god, I'm like,

734
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: so we can't say the color black. There is a

735
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: beauty in calling it out and people realize, oh my god,

736
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: my spincer was clenched, and then we can all come together.

737
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: So there there are levels to it. You know, it's

738
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: not about you're walking into a landline. Sometimes you don't know.

739
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: For example, i'm i'm. I talked very publicly about the Kardashians.

740
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 1: I wanted to for a long time. I will even

741
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: use the word. I was afraid to do it. I

742
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: was cautious about doing it. And the pinata opened up

743
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: and the candy came out, and I was shocked. You'll

744
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: be shocked with no backlash. Think about the reach, think

745
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: about the followers, and a lot of them are bought.

746
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: I was shocked that not a single no one came

747
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: in one out of ten thousand comments would be like, oh,

748
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: women not supporting women? But but nobody was having a

749
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: problem with it. And if if I said anything about

750
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: when I've said anything about anybody else, people comm I

751
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: thought that was interesting. Right. What always bothers me about

752
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: the women not supporting women comment is it reduces us

753
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 1: down to a simple gender, and it it takes away

754
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: our complexity. And so yeah, a lot of times it

755
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: is you know you should. I don't believe in blindly

756
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: supporting someone based on their chromosomes. But I also said

757
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: don't believe. Yeah, I agree with you, but I also

758
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: I don't believe on hurting them because of it. I'm

759
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: a competitive person. I want to I want to do

760
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: better than that man and that woman. I've never seen

761
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 1: that as gender. So when someone's like, you didn't support

762
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: a woman, I'm like, what was she funny? Why would

763
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: I support a person? But what if you don't support that?

764
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: We like, literally, I have spent more time on Kelly

765
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: Ripper's book this week than my own book. I did

766
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: it because I really care about her, Like we have

767
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: a good relationship, and I support that woman, of course,

768
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: but yeah, do not support all women, and we support

769
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 1: all people. That's dogs, you're not. It's some summer two wiring.

770
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: But I know, I think you know. I was actually

771
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: thinking about this the other day. My friend Rebecca Searle

772
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 1: is like a New York Times belt best selling author.

773
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: She um right, sort of like young young adult, like romantic,

774
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: not even not younger, just like romantic fiction. It's it's

775
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: really fun and she does really well. And I always

776
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: see her books because I'm always in an airport. I

777
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: always see her books, and I actually get very proud

778
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: and excited. There is nothing like when you're a woman

779
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: and you have a friend that you genuinely only want

780
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: to see succeed and you actually are their cheerleader versus.

781
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: And I talked about this in my New Hour. This glitterized, uh,

782
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: pro girl, girl girl, but I was like, I'm not

783
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,439
Speaker 1: a girl, But what does that even mean? I don't

784
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: like that, Like it's all it's all this like weak

785
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: hand job, like look empowering women. No, you know what

786
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: empowers women, equal pay, education, pay gap closing, and so

787
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: there is something too, you know, we are called upon

788
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: to like blindly just like love all of our MoMA's

789
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: sister bears. And it's like we all have those women

790
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 1: in our lives that we love and and just cannot

791
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: wait to see thrive. And it's so fun to watch that.

792
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: And that's what real strength feels like. And you don't

793
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: have a ton of that, and that has nothing to

794
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: do with who you are. It's just not everybody is quality,

795
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: and not everybody is worth championing, and you can't spend

796
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: days times. Yeah, I'm lad, I'm fine saying I do not.

797
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: I support the women and men that I support, and

798
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 1: that's my own body of male comics asked me for help,

799
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I can't do it. I don't believe

800
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: in your comedy. No, I agree, and you and I

801
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 1: very much would go on for days about this, but

802
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: we both are the same. Whatever. Someone says, what's it

803
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: been like being in business as a woman, And I'm

804
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: not saying I and I know I'm I'm white, and

805
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: I know I'm privileged. I'm saying that I've had to

806
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: deconstructed thinking about how men have man splained me. But

807
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: I never knew that word, and I never even knew

808
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: what it meant. But I had to recently, since I'm

809
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: asked the question a thousand times, I thought to myself,

810
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: what And then when a guy talks to me like

811
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: I'm a junior player, even though we're in the same position,

812
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: it's something we've been trained to just accept and don't

813
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: realize that like that's been happening forever, even if it's

814
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: not so overt. But when I asked that question, I

815
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: was like, I never thought about writing a woman or

816
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: a man. I just plowed through, and I don't I'm

817
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: a strong woman, like I'm a I'm a strong person.

818
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: I'm a strong business person, and I can take on

819
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: any man in any arena. I don't care if I'm

820
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: a woman or a man. That's just me. Doesn't mean that, No,

821
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: I don't think it's just I think I think this

822
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: is something. I mean, I feel the exact same way,

823
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: which is what I've been trying to be friends with

824
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: you for a very long time. Fine, um, And I

825
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: was talking to my mom about it. You know, there

826
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: is this premium we place now on the female struggle.

827
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: Like my mom was a single mom and she and

828
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, my mom was a single mom

829
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: for a period, and I never and I'm a very

830
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: strong minded individual. We never the word feminism has never

831
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: come up, had never come up my entire It just

832
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: wasn't talked about in the nineties. But moreover, I never

833
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: heard my mother say anything like any of this, like

834
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: raw raw feminism, go girl, any of that stuff. She

835
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: just did because when you're actually working and surviving and

836
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: doing things, you don't have time to talk about exactly.

837
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: And so she's just like she's a New Yorker. She's

838
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: very blunt, you know, she's very like, not in like

839
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: a rude way, just she's just tough. She just gets it.

840
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: And that's how I am a It's only when I

841
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: got into comedy, and it's only in l A and

842
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: it is a show business that you have to answer

843
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: for the way that you always were. How did you

844
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: get into comedy? Were you a funny woman woman in comedy?

845
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just did it because no one said

846
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: I couldn't and no one said I could, and I

847
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: didn't think about it and I just went. And now

848
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Speaker 1: I have to contextualize it like I'm some fierce diva.

849
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: That's exactly, that's exactly that some genius. Because I entered

850
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: into cocktails, I didn't know anything. I walked into a

851
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: store and saw a thousand. I was like, why am

852
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: I doing this now? I didn't know. There was no locality.

853
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: I didn't know, there was no nothing. I didn't know

854
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 1: liquor was run by men. I never know you didn't

855
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: know what you didn't know, which is a gift. Like

856
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: I never mattered enough to anyone for anyone to tell

857
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 1: me I sucked, and I never mattered enough for anyone

858
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: to say, go do it. My mom was super cool.

859
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: But like, and I think when that it's just me

860
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: you're born with think, you're like, I'm just gonna go.

861
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna work. It's gonna do it. Yes, But

862
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: also it's funny that you just said you didn't matter enough, right,

863
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: Did you have a mentor's are I didn't know what

864
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: then tour was. I would know to look for a mentor.

865
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: No one want to mentor me. It was like, that's

866
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: lingo that we make up to frame what's happened. That's

867
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: exactly what you just said. That's exactly like anally to

868
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: come up with the best idea, best thing to say

869
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: about female work life balance. I don't fucking know. I

870
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: do well everything I do wear very well. That's all

871
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: I know. Not only that, I mean that's the skill

872
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: in of itself, Like stand up is, it's a solo

873
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: sport if you're a writer, Like if you're on a

874
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: TV show, you're gonna be with people if you're an actor.

875
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: But like, it is you in the delta lounge, if

876
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: you're lucky, it is you on a regional flight. It

877
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: is you in a hotel and you you know, and

878
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: you have a community, You've got the friends. But when

879
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: I started there, I didn't know anyone. No, And I'm

880
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: not saying this out of bitterness. There was no woman

881
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: who like reached out to me to be like, I

882
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: want to help you. It is a competitive we say

883
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: no way, I mean it happens. But you're on your

884
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: own on a regional flight and Regina, Saskatchewan. How is

885
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: someone going to reach you like your no, you're doing it, no,

886
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: and you're a line. And when you bomb alone, you bomb,

887
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: you bomb alone, you die, you die alone. Yeah No,

888
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: but it's true when I when you sign, I say,

889
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: when you sign the paper, it's your name. There's all

890
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: these other people around here, and they have all these

891
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: decisions they want to make. But I'm always like, it's

892
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: my fucking ass. I'm alone, and you're alone on a

893
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: plane and on the stage. It's funny you say that.

894
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: Like I was talking with with my team. You know,

895
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: we're talking about a show and there was an issue

896
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: with ticketing and it was not my fault, but people

897
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: don't see that. They see it as your fault. Like

898
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: lies in the South working, I'm like, we pay a

899
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: heavy fee, you do too for this link. And I

900
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: was explaining to them there was a show I wanted

901
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: to cancel. I was like, we've moved this now twice.

902
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: I look bad, not my team, not anyone. I as

903
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: the artist. People get angry at me. I can't have that.

904
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: People don't think about this is your blood, sweat, tears

905
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 1: of reputation. And you know, if if people don't expect

906
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: a quality product, then what do you have. You have

907
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: to know it's it's yours, I'm saying, And I give

908
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: him a lot of ship. But Kylie Jenner had this

909
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: like bathing suit where someone's whole entire vagina was sticking

910
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: up high doubt. She was in China sewing the bathing suits.

911
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: So as a nineteen year right girl, you know she's

912
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: responsible because it's her name on it, but you know

913
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: it's her. It's her name, and it's her vagina on

914
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: the line, but it's not technically her. That's so the

915
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: bathing suits for sure. But wouldn't it be delicious to

916
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: watch someone like that crumble? I mean, that's the whole

917
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: ethos of our society exactly. You know, people would love

918
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: to see you knock down, people would love I mean,

919
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: I look, I have not watched Real Housewives uh in

920
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 1: over a decade, but when I did watch it, even

921
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: before you were at the height you're right now, I

922
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 1: remember thinking, I remember thinking this woman doesn't belong here.

923
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: I remember watching you and thinking she's a legitimate business

924
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: mind like you happen to be on the show, which

925
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: is I get the pr but I was just like,

926
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: this is a real person with a real brain, not

927
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: your husband's money making a lotion company, not a fake

928
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: fashion show. And I always and then you'd say, stuff,

929
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: I don't this is when we ever go and I

930
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: feel weird to bring up, but there was something. You

931
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 1: were on a trip, one of those like forced work

932
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: trips they make you go on with these other women,

933
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: and everyone wears drills and someone was tired, and you

934
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: just went like, then go to sleep. Oh the Kelly

935
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: go to sleep. That's an iconic scene as a New

936
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: York hearted person, It's like that thing where you're like,

937
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: you don't like something then affects it, like making it

938
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 1: up identity. And I was reminded of go to sleep.

939
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: When I had my baby. We weren't giving her I

940
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: don't know. She's in the other room, she's with the

941
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: nanny and she's crying, and my mom comes out of

942
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: the guest room. She goes give her a path of buyer,

943
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 1: and I'm like, dude, we I don't know, that's really funny. Well,

944
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: you're very interesting and really nice to talk to, like

945
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: funny and then you said interesting, no, because we know

946
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: you're funny. And that's how I started saying to like

947
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: Angela and Jolie, you're pretty like we know, like you

948
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean, we are. You're not just a

949
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: funny face. Thank you funny face, but you know you are.

950
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: You haven't you know, you don't have a strang long perspective.

951
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: And I did not know we'd agree on so many

952
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: things and things all right, okay, I know, all right, Well,

953
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,479
Speaker 1: I say it's a fucking scam every day, all day,

954
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna send you scams because it's a scam. Um.

955
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,919
Speaker 1: But hopefully you don't think this podcast is a scam

956
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: because it's literally a garage band that for the first

957
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: year I was I didn't make a dollar. I didn't

958
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 1: even know understand that the medium. But I love doing

959
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 1: this so you were really fun. Thank you for having me,

960
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: and I will send you a copy of all things aside. Yeah,

961
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: I was gonna there's only one question that I ask everyone.

962
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,959
Speaker 1: What's your rose and your thorn of your career? Oh

963
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 1: my god, there's more roses than thorns, and even the thorns,

964
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: like like travel, you learn to appreciate because it's good

965
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: to get your blood circulating when it pricks you. I

966
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: think rose is of the many roses. I will say

967
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: this one being able from your brain to come up

968
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: with something that turns into a currency, like we have

969
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: a house. I have had houses because of a joke

970
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: about a goblin that I thought out of you know,

971
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: like it's not I didn't make something physically like it

972
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: was just a funny thought. I had a funny turn

973
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: that I polished. Um and taking that and being able

974
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: to travel the world like I'm about to go on

975
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: my second Asia tour. So walking into the room and

976
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: like Kuala Lumpur and all these Asians and hidge Abs

977
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: are looking at you and they are laughing at your

978
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: jokes and we are not from the same world. It

979
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 1: is the most gratifying thing. And so within that, having

980
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: a context for my country, because we are so divided

981
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: and it is so easy where you live to right

982
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: off the rest of the country is fully insane. To

983
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: get to see the country, have an understanding of what

984
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: people go through, and to realize there are good people

985
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: everywhere and not everybody looks the same and we all

986
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: it's not as simple as the news would make it.

987
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: So I I still do love America, even though we

988
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: are a little bettered and beaten. And so getting that

989
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: working context for my country and an actual knowledge versus

990
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: just the bubble that I live. I love that. And

991
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: the thorn is having to the fact that somebody had

992
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: a liquid bomb twenty years ago and we still have

993
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: to we still can't take liquids on planes. The thorn

994
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: is other people. That's hilarious. And my roses that you

995
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: have a sea horse, You'll always have a sea horse.

996
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: Behind you on this podcast, at this rental property, in

997
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: this awesome awesome, all right, well, thank you Eliza. Do

998
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: we got we got your book, we got it all in.

999
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: But I appreciate it. Thanks. This was great, appreciate, amazing.

1000
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: I have a good day.