Speaker 1: When did everyone start wearing underwear as pants? Now, don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong, I like when people are wearing sexy outfits.
Speaker 1: I mean, Megan Fox has rocked that like none other.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've got the j lo Versace dress and
Speaker 1: we had Elizabeth Hurley safety Pin Versace dress. Like I'm
Speaker 1: all for looking hot. I just don't know when underwear
Speaker 1: became pants. This like briefs with tights.
Speaker 2: Look and.
Speaker 1: Gaga I saw years ago at Mark Burnett's house and
Speaker 1: she was wearing a white T shirt and I believe
Speaker 1: she was wearing fishnets and she was wearing like underwear
Speaker 1: as pants or a bodysuit, and she nailed it and
Speaker 1: she landed it. I'm sure it's something Madonna did years ago.
Speaker 1: In fact, I think I remember it probably like in
Speaker 1: a course it, you.
Speaker 2: Know, one piece body suit.
Speaker 1: But like some people are unicorns and can land it,
Speaker 1: Madonna can land it. Gaga landed it and sort of
Speaker 1: started it. From my perspective, the first person I ever
Speaker 1: saw do that was Lady Gaga. And you are fashion
Speaker 1: experts and will correct me and tell me you know
Speaker 1: the cave woman that first started this trend.
Speaker 2: I don't know for a fact.
Speaker 1: I just know that the first human being that I
Speaker 1: ever saw wearing stockings and briefs as pants or the
Speaker 1: bottom portion of an outfit was Lady Gaga at Mark
Speaker 1: Burnett's house and it landed and she looked amazing.
Speaker 2: And it's very her.
Speaker 1: But like non Lady Gaga type people that are now
Speaker 1: wearing it, it just looks very forced.
Speaker 2: It doesn't.
Speaker 1: This is the thing about fashion, and I just really
Speaker 1: want to talk about it because Anna Wintour wears the
Speaker 1: same necklaces, you know, more than once, and she's had
Speaker 1: the same.
Speaker 2: Hairstyle, and she dresses.
Speaker 1: She has beautiful clothes, but she's not performative in the
Speaker 1: way she's dressing. It's not like a circus. She's not
Speaker 1: sort of just trying to show how fashionable she is.
Speaker 1: And she's the most influential person in fashion, not even
Speaker 1: one of she is the most influential person in fashion.
Speaker 2: And I always bring.
Speaker 1: This up because Tom Ford said that he didn't like
Speaker 1: when people wear like his whole outfit that you saw
Speaker 1: on the runway, and you see a lot of this
Speaker 1: type of stuff on Housewives, where like everyone's wearing the
Speaker 1: whole entire outfit and all the letters and everything and
Speaker 1: sometimes it lands and overall like so sometimes you'll see
Speaker 1: forced fashion in different areas, and you do see it
Speaker 1: at the Metcal Like I don't like when fashion is thirsty,
Speaker 1: like when it's like, Hi, I have a stylist, I
Speaker 1: want shock value. I'm wearing this because I need attention
Speaker 1: to me. Fashion is kind of it looks like it's
Speaker 1: part of who you are, and maybe at one point
Speaker 1: someone changed your style, like years ago, Nicole Ritchie's style
Speaker 1: was changed maybe by Rachel Zoe, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: I think it was.
Speaker 1: And the Olsen Twins also, like they evolved into what
Speaker 1: their style was and they've stuck to it. There was
Speaker 1: a moment when Victoria Beckham was no longer a Spice Girl,
Speaker 1: but she was Victoria Beckham and that was her style.
Speaker 2: And yes, along the way it's evolved since then.
Speaker 1: But I never feel with Victoria Beckham, or with Nicole
Speaker 1: Ritchie or with the Olsen Twins like it's forced.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like the most forestyle go is like someone dressing Haley Bieber,
Speaker 1: but it lands. I think she actually probably has worn
Speaker 1: underwears pants too, and it lands. It doesn't land on everyone,
Speaker 1: and I can't really tell why. I think that when
Speaker 1: I feel that a person's style is really an extension
Speaker 1: of who they are, it lands like I know that
Speaker 1: Blake Lively doesn't have a stylist, but maybe she does
Speaker 1: work with designers, and maybe she does have a stylist.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I think they've said she picks her own clothes,
Speaker 1: but of course she's offered the best stuff, But it
Speaker 1: just it feels like an extension of herself. It doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like when she gets dressed, she's dressing in a costume.
Speaker 1: So to me, dressing like you're in a costume is
Speaker 1: not fashion. And I don't think that when Gaga's wearing
Speaker 1: fishnets and her underwear's pants and a white T shirt,
Speaker 1: that she's dressing like she's.
Speaker 2: In a costume.
Speaker 1: And even when she's like really getting dressed up to
Speaker 1: sing with Tony Bennett, I still don't think she's dressing
Speaker 1: like she's in a costume. It feels like an extension
Speaker 1: of herself. Even though she's Stephanie and Gaga's another persona,
Speaker 1: they're kind of one and certain.
Speaker 2: People, I just feel like it's a costume.
Speaker 1: And what's funny is j Lo I even feel like
Speaker 1: it's an extension of herself. She's Johnny from the Block.
Speaker 1: I sometimes it's like over the top, and you know,
Speaker 1: but it still kind of feels like when she's dressing,
Speaker 1: it's some version of an extension of herself. When somebody
Speaker 1: feels like they have just put on something to get attention,
Speaker 1: to be performative, and that looks like a costume, then
Speaker 1: I don't think that it's fashion.
Speaker 2: What do you think.
Speaker 1: Monica Lewinsky has a campaign with Reformation. What a brilliant
Speaker 1: marketing idea. How amazing for Monica Lewinsky? The name Reformation
Speaker 1: like it's chef's kiss.
Speaker 2: Oh my god?
Speaker 1: Has there ever been a great her collaboration? And how
Speaker 1: about somebody waiting for their moment, like sitting back and
Speaker 1: one day saying it's time now.
Speaker 2: And this is outrageous.
Speaker 1: And she looks amazing, and what has she been through
Speaker 1: in her life and what has she been defined by?
Speaker 1: And it's about encouraging people to vote, and she looks
Speaker 1: so serious and she looks elegant, and she's a grown woman.
Speaker 1: I am sure she's married. I don't know if she
Speaker 1: has kids. I have to look it all up. It
Speaker 1: doesn't even matter to me, And it doesn't matter to
Speaker 1: me because I want her to have whatever happy life
Speaker 1: that she wants to have. I was once at Andy
Speaker 1: Cohen's house at his Christmas party and she came with Anderson,
Speaker 1: and back then she was still probably, you know, not
Speaker 1: sure of herself and like it wasn't what it is now.
Speaker 1: And it's just amazing that during the era of cancelation,
Speaker 1: she's having a full renewal and she looks spectacle. And
Speaker 1: I just remember her in that interview years ago with
Speaker 1: that lip color that everybody wanted to know what it was,
Speaker 1: and I don't remember what it is. Reformation unbelievable, brilliant, brilliant,
Speaker 1: Like the two greatest marketing campaigns of twenty twenty four
Speaker 1: are dunkin Donuts and ben Affleck and Reformation and Monica
Speaker 1: Lewinsky Beyond. Let's talk about deleting tweets, Instagram posts and
Speaker 1: deleting tiktoks, and let's talk about turning off comments. So
Speaker 1: people write about deleting posts as if it's bad, like, oh,
Speaker 1: where's that post you know trolling you, where's that post
Speaker 1: you did?
Speaker 2: Oh, I see you took that post down, which be like.
Speaker 1: You educating someone that something they've just said is wrong,
Speaker 1: and they say, oh, I wish I didn't say that,
Speaker 1: or sorry I said that that way, or you know what,
Speaker 1: it's probably better we don't discuss this right now, or
Speaker 1: maybe we should save this for another time, or you
Speaker 1: know what, I said it, I'm not gonna harp on it.
Speaker 1: We don't need to live in that, because that's what
Speaker 1: taking a post down means. You may put a post
Speaker 1: up that you kind of want up for a minute,
Speaker 1: but you don't want it to live there forever. I've
Speaker 1: done that, and you may want You may put a
Speaker 1: post up and then you're like, oh god, I didn't
Speaker 1: think of this what that would mean, And you might
Speaker 1: want to take it down because you've educated yourself. Or
Speaker 1: you might put a post up and you're about to
Speaker 1: get into like a whole fight. You're like, I'm not
Speaker 1: really going to move for a fight right now. Everybody
Speaker 1: wants to hold everybody to everything forever.
Speaker 2: There are things that famous people have done.
Speaker 1: People today want to identify Kim Kardashian as someone who
Speaker 1: was in a tape.
Speaker 2: Kim Kardashian is.
Speaker 1: A billionaire mogul, actress, fashion e STU, reality star, business mogul.
Speaker 1: She's a private equity business like, so she did a
Speaker 1: sex tape years ago, hip hit Parae like, that's like
Speaker 1: she wants to delete that tweet. She doesn't want that
Speaker 1: to define her. And I just think that's fucked up
Speaker 1: that people want to hold people to things that they've
Speaker 1: done or said. Why is everybody being so bound to
Speaker 1: everything they've ever done? And also why can't someone just
Speaker 1: do what they want to do? So I think that's
Speaker 1: an interesting thing. Oh so people will talk about turning
Speaker 1: your comments off. I haven't done that that often. I
Speaker 1: don't mind a comments section, but I've done it. Why
Speaker 1: aren't we allowed to do that too? If you hear
Speaker 1: a bunch of people screaming at each other or screaming
Speaker 1: at you, aren't you gonna say I'm not having this
Speaker 1: conversation right now because.
Speaker 2: People want to have you killed. So you are like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to listen to that.
Speaker 1: In your real life you would' listen to that, So
Speaker 1: why would you listen to that on social media?
Speaker 2: That's how I feel. That's a ramp