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Speaker 1: When did everyone start wearing underwear as pants? Now, don't

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Speaker 1: get me wrong, I like when people are wearing sexy outfits.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Megan Fox has rocked that like none other.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've got the j lo Versace dress and

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Speaker 1: we had Elizabeth Hurley safety Pin Versace dress. Like I'm

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Speaker 1: all for looking hot. I just don't know when underwear

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Speaker 2: Look and.

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Speaker 1: Gaga I saw years ago at Mark Burnett's house and

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Speaker 1: she was wearing a white T shirt and I believe

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Speaker 1: she was wearing fishnets and she was wearing like underwear

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Speaker 1: as pants or a bodysuit, and she nailed it and

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Speaker 1: she landed it. I'm sure it's something Madonna did years ago.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I think I remember it probably like in

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Speaker 1: a course it, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, one piece body suit.

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Speaker 1: But like some people are unicorns and can land it,

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Speaker 1: Madonna can land it. Gaga landed it and sort of

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Speaker 1: started it. From my perspective, the first person I ever

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Speaker 1: saw do that was Lady Gaga. And you are fashion

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Speaker 1: experts and will correct me and tell me you know

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Speaker 1: the cave woman that first started this trend.

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Speaker 2: I don't know for a fact.

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Speaker 1: I just know that the first human being that I

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Speaker 1: ever saw wearing stockings and briefs as pants or the

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Speaker 1: bottom portion of an outfit was Lady Gaga at Mark

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Speaker 1: Burnett's house and it landed and she looked amazing.

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Speaker 2: And it's very her.

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Speaker 1: But like non Lady Gaga type people that are now

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Speaker 1: wearing it, it just looks very forced.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't.

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Speaker 1: This is the thing about fashion, and I just really

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Speaker 1: want to talk about it because Anna Wintour wears the

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Speaker 1: same necklaces, you know, more than once, and she's had

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Speaker 2: Hairstyle, and she dresses.

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Speaker 1: She has beautiful clothes, but she's not performative in the

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Speaker 1: way she's dressing. It's not like a circus. She's not

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Speaker 1: sort of just trying to show how fashionable she is.

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Speaker 1: And she's the most influential person in fashion, not even

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Speaker 1: one of she is the most influential person in fashion.

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Speaker 2: And I always bring.

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Speaker 1: This up because Tom Ford said that he didn't like

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Speaker 1: when people wear like his whole outfit that you saw

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Speaker 1: on the runway, and you see a lot of this

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Speaker 1: type of stuff on Housewives, where like everyone's wearing the

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Speaker 1: whole entire outfit and all the letters and everything and

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Speaker 1: sometimes it lands and overall like so sometimes you'll see

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Speaker 1: forced fashion in different areas, and you do see it

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Speaker 1: at the Metcal Like I don't like when fashion is thirsty,

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Speaker 1: like when it's like, Hi, I have a stylist, I

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Speaker 1: want shock value. I'm wearing this because I need attention

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Speaker 1: to me. Fashion is kind of it looks like it's

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Speaker 1: part of who you are, and maybe at one point

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Speaker 1: someone changed your style, like years ago, Nicole Ritchie's style

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Speaker 2: I think it was.

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Speaker 1: And the Olsen Twins also, like they evolved into what

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Speaker 1: a moment when Victoria Beckham was no longer a Spice Girl,

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Speaker 1: but she was Victoria Beckham and that was her style.

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Speaker 2: And yes, along the way it's evolved since then.

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Speaker 1: But I never feel with Victoria Beckham, or with Nicole

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like the most forestyle go is like someone dressing Haley Bieber,

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Speaker 1: but it lands. I think she actually probably has worn

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Speaker 1: I feel that a person's style is really an extension

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Speaker 1: Blake Lively doesn't have a stylist, but maybe she does

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I think they've said she picks her own clothes,

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Speaker 1: just it feels like an extension of herself. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: So to me, dressing like you're in a costume is

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Speaker 1: And even when she's like really getting dressed up to

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Speaker 2: People, I just feel like it's a costume.

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Speaker 1: feels like they have just put on something to get attention,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that it's fashion.

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Speaker 2: What do you think.

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Speaker 1: Monica Lewinsky has a campaign with Reformation. What a brilliant

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Speaker 1: marketing idea. How amazing for Monica Lewinsky? The name Reformation

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Speaker 1: like it's chef's kiss.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god?

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Speaker 1: Has there ever been a great her collaboration? And how

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Speaker 2: And this is outrageous.

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Speaker 1: And she looks amazing, and what has she been through

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Speaker 1: And it's about encouraging people to vote, and she looks

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Speaker 1: so serious and she looks elegant, and she's a grown woman.

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Speaker 1: I am sure she's married. I don't know if she

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Speaker 1: has kids. I have to look it all up. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't even matter to me, And it doesn't matter to

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Speaker 1: me because I want her to have whatever happy life

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Speaker 1: and back then she was still probably, you know, not

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Speaker 1: And it's just amazing that during the era of cancelation,

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Speaker 1: she's having a full renewal and she looks spectacle. And

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Speaker 1: I just remember her in that interview years ago with

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Speaker 1: and I don't remember what it is. Reformation unbelievable, brilliant, brilliant,

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Speaker 1: Like the two greatest marketing campaigns of twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: are dunkin Donuts and ben Affleck and Reformation and Monica

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Speaker 1: Lewinsky Beyond. Let's talk about deleting tweets, Instagram posts and

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Speaker 1: deleting tiktoks, and let's talk about turning off comments. So

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Speaker 1: people write about deleting posts as if it's bad, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: where's that post you know trolling you, where's that post

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Speaker 1: you did?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I see you took that post down, which be like.

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Speaker 1: You educating someone that something they've just said is wrong,

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Speaker 1: it's probably better we don't discuss this right now, or

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Speaker 1: maybe we should save this for another time, or you

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Speaker 1: know what, I said it, I'm not gonna harp on it.

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Speaker 1: We don't need to live in that, because that's what

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Speaker 1: taking a post down means. You may put a post

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Speaker 1: but you don't want it to live there forever. I've

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Speaker 1: think of this what that would mean, And you might

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Speaker 1: want to take it down because you've educated yourself. Or

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Speaker 1: you might put a post up and you're about to

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Speaker 1: get into like a whole fight. You're like, I'm not

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Speaker 1: really going to move for a fight right now. Everybody

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Speaker 1: wants to hold everybody to everything forever.

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Speaker 2: There are things that famous people have done.

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Speaker 1: People today want to identify Kim Kardashian as someone who

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Speaker 1: was in a tape.

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Speaker 2: Kim Kardashian is.

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Speaker 1: A billionaire mogul, actress, fashion e STU, reality star, business mogul.

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Speaker 1: She's a private equity business like, so she did a

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Speaker 1: sex tape years ago, hip hit Parae like, that's like

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Speaker 1: she wants to delete that tweet. She doesn't want that

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Speaker 1: to define her. And I just think that's fucked up

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Speaker 1: that people want to hold people to things that they've

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Speaker 1: done or said. Why is everybody being so bound to

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Speaker 1: everything they've ever done? And also why can't someone just

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Speaker 1: do what they want to do? So I think that's

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Speaker 1: an interesting thing. Oh so people will talk about turning

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Speaker 1: your comments off. I haven't done that that often. I

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Speaker 1: don't mind a comments section, but I've done it. Why

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Speaker 1: aren't we allowed to do that too? If you hear

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Speaker 1: a bunch of people screaming at each other or screaming

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Speaker 1: at you, aren't you gonna say I'm not having this

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Speaker 2: People want to have you killed. So you are like,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to listen to that.

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Speaker 1: In your real life you would' listen to that, So

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Speaker 1: why would you listen to that on social media?

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Speaker 2: That's how I feel. That's a ramp