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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Hello friends,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to another episode of Work in Progress. This week,

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Speaker 1: we have a guest many of you have been clamoring for.

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Speaker 1: She is an incredible actress, an incredible advocate, a brilliant human,

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Speaker 1: and happens to be my love interest from Grey's Anatomy.

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Speaker 1: This week, we are joined by none other than the

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Speaker 1: legend herself, Kim Raver. You likely know Kim as Audrey

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Speaker 1: Rains from twenty four Kim Zimbrana on Third Watch and

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Speaker 1: since two thousand and nine as playing the iconic doctor

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Speaker 1: Teddy Altman on ABC's medical drama Grey's Anatomy. I have

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Speaker 1: had the absolute pleasure of working alongside her this year,

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Speaker 1: bringing Teddy and Cass to your screens. We're both big

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Speaker 1: fans of y'all's chosen ship name for us, Cassidy, and

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Speaker 1: this year, not only did I get to work alongside Kim,

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Speaker 1: but I got to be directed by her. And today

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to dive into talking about her creative process,

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Speaker 1: why she is so protective of and has so much

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Speaker 1: love for her character, and how she looks back in

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Speaker 1: hindsight on having been on one of television's biggest hit

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Speaker 1: shows for all these years. Let's dive in with Kim Raver.

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Speaker 1: I'm just so excited that you're here. You came on

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Speaker 1: the zoom and I was about to be like, hey, girlfriend,

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Speaker 1: and then I was like, wait, the internet. We'll die

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Speaker 1: for that.

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Speaker 2: I think you should just because.

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Speaker 1: Okay, maybe that's what we'll call our episode.

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 1: Hey girl, Hey girlfriend, we have so much to talk about,

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Speaker 1: and I'm so excited. But before you know, we dive

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Speaker 1: into our last year of working together and all the

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Speaker 1: years I've been lucky enough to know you, I actually

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Speaker 1: want to go backwards. I think it's so exciting to

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Speaker 1: sit down with people who have such amazing bodies of

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Speaker 1: work and who are doing such cool things in the world.

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Speaker 1: And I wonder if you got to hang out with

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Speaker 1: a childhood version of you, you know, you at nine

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Speaker 1: or twelve, If you could spend time with that little

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Speaker 1: version of Kim, would you see the woman you are

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Speaker 1: today in her? Or do you think she'd be totally

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Speaker 1: shocked to meet you.

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Speaker 2: That's such a great question.

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Speaker 3: It's so interesting and I don't know if it's like generational,

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Speaker 3: but I feel like the younger Kim like you said nine. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: like that wasn't even in the purview, that wasn't even

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Speaker 3: in the I mean maybe it's also it was just

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Speaker 3: like survival. Like I'm I, you know, grew up divorced parents,

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Speaker 3: very young age, single mom raising me and my sister

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Speaker 3: by herself in New York City and and the like.

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Speaker 3: The good fortune of it is that we didn't have

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Speaker 3: phones and TikTok like there was.

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Speaker 2: It was it was.

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Speaker 3: So there wasn't sort of this like what am I

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Speaker 3: going to be kind of thing, which is amazing and

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Speaker 3: kind of great. And I mean I joke because I

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Speaker 3: mean I'll go back a little bit.

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Speaker 2: You know, like.

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Speaker 3: This parenting generation is much more sort of like helicopter

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Speaker 3: and I think it's because we were so like left

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Speaker 3: I was like, would come on television and say, it's

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Speaker 2: Do you know where your children are?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 3: I mean right, And now it's like I'm like, I'm

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Speaker 3: tracking our kids and I'm like, where are they are they?

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Speaker 2: You know, so there.

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Speaker 3: I think the younger me was like just sort of

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Speaker 3: by myself, and that's not so.

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Speaker 2: I mean, my mom was on it, but she was

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Speaker 3: Working mom and newly divorced, and that wasn't really a thing.

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Speaker 3: There weren't a lot of A there weren't a lot

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Speaker 2: That aspect of it.

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Speaker 3: But then I found you know, it's funny, I I

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Speaker 3: I was in Sesame Street as a kid, but I

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like, wait, was that a regular job or

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Speaker 2: It was like a three year job.

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Speaker 1: Kim. How did I never know this about you?

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Speaker 2: It's funny, I said it, like everyone knows. Everyone's like,

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Speaker 3: That was like my mom was shopping for clothes for

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Speaker 3: open Sesame and then I would go into the like

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Speaker 3: amazing mister Hooper, all of them, right, So that was

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Speaker 3: but then I think, I mean, look, I was a very.

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Speaker 3: Like really studious and like an incredible academic and more quiet,

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Speaker 3: and I was just like, yeah, I think that being

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Speaker 3: But to answer your question of would I have imagined

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Speaker 3: that this is where kind of I would be, No,

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Speaker 3: because it wasn't really it wasn't really kind of premeditated.

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Speaker 1: And wow, why was there a moment by thirteen or

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Speaker 1: were you just watching more TV and more conscious that

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Speaker 2: I think it was my mom.

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Speaker 3: My mom took me to a lot of stuff in

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Speaker 3: And she took me to this theater company and it

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Speaker 3: It was a real theater company. If you were a

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Speaker 3: And that there was no excuses. There was no oh

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Speaker 3: Elizabeth Swadows wrote one of the one of the productions,

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Speaker 3: of it was a real touring theater company.

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Speaker 3: And I think it was really in that moment that

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this that's where I kind of

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Speaker 1: That's so cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, I think that that's sort of sort

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Speaker 1: Wow, And I didn't realize it'd be making these connections

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Speaker 1: listening to your stories today, but listen, I'd be remiss

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Speaker 1: not to say you literally grew up on Sesame Street,

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Speaker 2: With out and how important now more than ever?

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Speaker 1: Right, It's yeah, I think people forget that not only

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Speaker 3: Yeah, especially with my mom not being able to kind

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Speaker 2: How it has, like you said, sort of educated many

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Speaker 1: right now when it's under attack. Yeah, did you feel

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Speaker 2: Backup plan because the percentages of people who work.

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Speaker 3: You know, I went to BU and I went to

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Speaker 3: And it's so interesting because, Oh, to answer your question back,

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Speaker 2: It just was like this.

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Speaker 3: that that's what I kind of always come home to.

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Speaker 3: It's like that, it's that feeling, and I feel so

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Speaker 2: I know, we all know that there's so much of

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Speaker 1: Do Yeah, to get to be a working actress so hard.

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Speaker 1: And also what a wild thing to talk about in

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Speaker 3: something like really I wanted to be grounded and like

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00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 3: sort of with consent because I felt like I'd gone

441
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 3: through a whole like a cheating spell and I didn't.

442
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 3: And I said to her, look, you guys are going

443
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 3: to do whatever you want to do, but if I

444
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 3: have my input, my input is that it's not that

445
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 3: they just want to cheat, that it's actually, in fact

446
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 3: away that they think perhaps could save the marriage, and

447
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 3: that that Teddy has as a character evolved, that Teddy

448
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 3: has actually evolved from this giant mistake that she made

449
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 3: of infidelity. And I didn't want it to be tied

450
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 3: to infidelity because I thought that.

451
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 2: Yes moved forward and so that.

452
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 3: Was there was some just really amazing dialogue between me,

453
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 3: Meg and Kevin and she would digest kind of what

454
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 3: our concerns were, go back with the writers, and then

455
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,959
Speaker 3: they would kind of work through it. And again, I

456
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 3: really think because you came in and brought such depth

457
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 3: to Cass that it was so much more than just

458
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 3: again sort of like a fling thing.

459
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 2: I didn't I and you and.

460
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 3: I had a lot of discussions about that and the

461
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 3: hash to that because I think it's I think, to me,

462
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 3: it's really interesting when steaks are really high and that

463
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 3: helps ground whatever new idea or trying to kind of do.

464
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 3: And I what's so amazing about Shonda Rhymes is that

465
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 3: she's never afraid to lean into the complicated. And you know,

466
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 3: while an actor, you're so protective of and you're like.

467
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: I don't know about like this.

468
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 1: Is really.

469
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 3: But for me, if I can get to the nugget

470
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 3: of the truth of it and that what the snakes

471
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 3: are of it, I can fully get behind it. And

472
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 3: so for me, I kind of really got to well,

473
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 3: I mean, it's either trying this open marriage or it

474
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 3: looks like they might not last, right, And so whether open,

475
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 3: whether you believe in it or not believe in it.

476
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 2: And I think what's interesting is.

477
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 3: That it's it's very complicated and very messy and very

478
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 3: multi layered. And and again that is sort of what

479
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 3: Shonda never shies away from, and she really enables the

480
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 3: characters to kind of go from low point. And I'm

481
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 3: not saying that this is a low point, but a

482
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: low point in their marriage for sure had a low

483
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 3: point in decisions that are made to kind of your

484
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 3: hero moments. And and I think that that's also very

485
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 3: relatable to fans because think I think a lot of

486
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 3: television is sort of either hero or you know, you

487
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 3: know evil. Yeah, And I think that we as individuals,

488
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 3: we have our hero moments and we have our very

489
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 3: you know, low bad decision moments. So it's going to

490
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 3: be it's interesting too, right, It's interesting. How do you

491
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 3: how in your experience in the last couple of weeks,

492
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 3: how have the fans, how are they digesting what's happening?

493
00:27:49,080 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: And now a word from our sponsors. It's really interesting

494
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: because even before, you know, we had to do so

495
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: much work obviously, and we shot so many episodes, and

496
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: you do all these things so long before it airs.

497
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: And one of the things that really was important for

498
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: me and you touched on it a bit, was the

499
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: amount of conversation you and I got to have about this.

500
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: And something that felt important to me that I know

501
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: was important to you is that this wasn't some tawdry

502
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: affair thing as well. You know, I went through that

503
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: twenty years ago. It's followed me around for my whole life.

504
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: It's a miserable and it's something I'm like, very sensitive

505
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: about even having to be adjacent to that, especially because

506
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: you know, not to be crass, but what you so

507
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: often see is some guy that cheats on his wife

508
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: and he's a dickhead. And the dynamic in particular here

509
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: about two women really expanding their idea of intimacy and

510
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: fulfillment in their forties was interesting to me, and I

511
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: think what's interesting to me, is I do know a couple.

512
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: They're a heterosexual couple I've been friends with for ten

513
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: years that are in an open marriage. I am still

514
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: the friend that's like I could literally never I would

515
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: die and we laugh. But on the flip side, they're

516
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: also one of the couples I know who's been married

517
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: the longest and they have a really healthy relationship. And

518
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: something I learned years ago from another iconic friend of ours,

519
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: Connie Britton, she said, you know, she said, I never

520
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: judge my characters ever, It's not my job. But you

521
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: said something that I think really rings true, which is

522
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: we love our characters, so when we are worried they're

523
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: doing something bad, we worry about them being judged. We

524
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,239
Speaker 1: have like second hand embarrassment or secondhand fear. And what

525
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: I loved about this was that it was real honesty

526
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: among adults, saying, nobody talks to you about this, Like

527
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: the Disney movies don't pitch this stuff to you. They

528
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: don't tell you how hard it's going to be to,

529
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: you know, be in a relationship, and they don't tell

530
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: you what it might take to stay in one, especially

531
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: if you want it. You know, I like that Cass

532
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: and her husband really like each other. I like that

533
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,479
Speaker 1: they have a spicy energy. I like that, even though

534
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't on the page, we added a beat where,

535
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: you know, when he and Owen have to go back

536
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: to the hospital, he kind of looks at me like

537
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: she's cute. He gives me the go ahead, you know,

538
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: in that first episode we did together. And so what

539
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: I found was a desire to turn the idea on

540
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: its head and to represent people that you know, aren't

541
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: necessarily on the page, but who I do know, who

542
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: I do care about in a good way. And then

543
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: when you and I started to talk about what the

544
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: intimacy is, particularly what this intimacy is between two women,

545
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: particularly how that is just a simply different energy that

546
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: they're not getting from the men that they're partnered with.

547
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: What it is to.

548
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: Feel seen, feel seen, to go so long feeling invisible,

549
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: and then to have someone see you. That can be intoxicating,

550
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: It can be a kind of chemistry. But then you

551
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: have to figure out is this the kind of chemistry

552
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: I have with my friend or is it a different kind?

553
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: And so the slowness of being able to explore all

554
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: of that felt really important, and I have to say

555
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: all of that to say that now that the episode

556
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: is aired, so what's amazing is so many of the

557
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: fans are like, I can't explain it. I'm such a

558
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: Teddy and Owen fan, but my god, I just want

559
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: Teddy and Cas to be together now. And people are

560
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: really excited about it, And even the ones that hope

561
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: you and know and work it out are like, I

562
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe they can just be friends because we

563
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: like seeing these two women together.

564
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: That's to me also, and I love that.

565
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 3: I know, I love that, and you created I mean,

566
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: so many moments, but one that really stands out to

567
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 3: me is when Teddy kind of has led casts, you know, down.

568
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: This road and that she's ready and then in that moment.

569
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 3: Of sort of feeling conflicted and saying that, whoh, this

570
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 3: is not going to fix my marriage and kind of

571
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 3: stops it again. What a beautiful moment that you chose

572
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 3: for Cass to have sort of such compassion and understanding.

573
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: It's it's it's such a a.

574
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 3: Like a whisper of women supporting women in Ass's reaction

575
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 3: to when ted It's a beautiful, unspoken moment and it's

576
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,479
Speaker 3: very moving to me. And I think also subconsciously, people

577
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 3: are like, oh, yeah, whatever happens with them, right.

578
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's it. And you see it, and you

579
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: see that regardless of sex or sexuality or desire or

580
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: whatever word you want to use being the top line idea,

581
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: you see that, it's an actual connection. And it was

582
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: so much fun to build that with you because I

583
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: feel as my friend, I feel so connected to you. Yeah,

584
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: and you're such a wonderful artist to collaborate with, and

585
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: so it was so much fun, you know, to do

586
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: all of that with you. And then I sort of

587
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: had a giggle because I realized, you know, you and

588
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: I have all this stuff. Obviously, given the Cassidy as

589
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: they're calling our ship name, given the Cassidy storyline, most

590
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: of our work is away from Kevin, who plays Owen.

591
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: But then I got to have this whole surgery day

592
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: with him, and there was difference. Oh my god, we

593
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: had the time. We had so much fun because he's.

594
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 2: Such a great guy, right.

595
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: Like, Kevin is such a wonderful man. He was also

596
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 1: directing the episode.

597
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's great.

598
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: A talented director. So I was with him and Chandra

599
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: and James, and I was just like, oh my god,

600
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: all my all my TV idols. I'm like, I'm doing

601
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: surgery with the people I grew up watching a surgery

602
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: show about Oh my god.

603
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 3: By the way, we have to share with your fans,

604
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 3: Like most people come in and it's a.

605
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 5: Whole like what the how do I hold the She's

606
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 5: like hand the thing and she's like, you know, she's

607
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 5: got the cardiothoracic surgery down.

608
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: It was so fun. It was The medical medical advisor

609
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: on the show was like, god, I love when people

610
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: have played doctors before. I was like, I got you.

611
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 3: I'm sure. Linda Klein was like, oh oh, it was fun.

612
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: But it was great because doing the scenes with him,

613
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: you and I got to explore all of this intimacy

614
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: and all of these ways women can see each other

615
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: and support each other and have a different kind of

616
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: rhythm with each other. And then it's like I went

617
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 1: into surgery in the in the previous episode with Kevin

618
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: and we were such bros and and he's he's like

619
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: a pissed bro and we're we're scrubbing in and I

620
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: just look at him and I'm essentially I don't I

621
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: don't call him this, but I basically am like dude,

622
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: my bad, misread it. You're good, not here to get

623
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: in your way, and like it was so it was

624
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: almost like we were we were two boys playing brothers

625
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: in a scene, and then you and I are these

626
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: like incredible, like you know, adult women having having this

627
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: conversation about how they how they have intimacy. And I

628
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: was like, this is so funny because I got to

629
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: be this woman that I really admired and in one sense, uh,

630
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: and then I got to be like a nine year

631
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:58,479
Speaker 1: old boy.

632
00:35:58,680 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's so good.

633
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: I love yeah, playing playing hospital with Kevin? What is

634
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: your relationship like with him? I mean, you guys have

635
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: had this, you know, decades almost long relationship. You have

636
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: this very storied history as characters, and obviously you speak

637
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 1: so highly of him. Did you always get along? Were

638
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: you so excited when you found out Owen and Teddy

639
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: we're going to have this great love?

640
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 3: What was it like in the beginning, From the moment

641
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 3: we met, It's just this fantastic like work marriage, There's

642
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 3: such a respect for one another.

643
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: You know.

644
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 3: I think the base is there's such a trust between

645
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 3: us because we've had to go to some pretty you know,

646
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 3: our characters have to go to like these very dark, hard, vulnerable,

647
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 3: intense places. And also we had this very kind of

648
00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 3: confusing you know with Sandra's character christ and there was

649
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 3: single and Teddy and Christina like wanted to be a

650
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 3: team and not romantically at all, but in terms of

651
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 3: like mentor mentee, and she was sort of willing to

652
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 3: give up Owen to work with Teddy, and so you know,

653
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 3: automatically there could have been this just like very tense.

654
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: Relationship, but we had such.

655
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: A an organic chemistry really with the three of us,

656
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 3: Me and Sandra and Kevin because we had to navigate

657
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff there. Yeah, So I sort of

658
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 3: feel like in the moment I met him, you know,

659
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 3: I came in Shonda Rhime's and Betsy Bears brought me in.

660
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 3: This is I think I was just finishing twenty four

661
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 3: when I first first started to meet everyone, like to

662
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 3: meet Kevin and sort of see if that was going

663
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 3: to be a good and we just I remember us

664
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 3: like sitting on catch It. I was like, hey, hey,

665
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 3: like we just had such an easy, sort of effortless

666
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 3: We kind of have the same sort of work ethic.

667
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 2: And similar.

668
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 3: You know, he had been on a bunch of shows

669
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 3: before I had been on a bunch of shows, and

670
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 3: you know, he's incredibly you know, welcoming because he had

671
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 3: been there for a while, and I just I just

672
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 3: sort of, uh trust him, and I hope and I

673
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 3: think he feels the same.

674
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 2: So we're able to go to very.

675
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 3: Raw places as creatives, and I think to be able

676
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 3: to be on a series that does have to move

677
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 3: so fast and it's a really it's a luxury to

678
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 3: kind of have that relationship of trust and to be

679
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,959
Speaker 3: able to try things. It's like, I know, I sort

680
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 3: of know that if I'm going to be in a

681
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 3: free fall, that he's going to catch me, which is

682
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 3: so great because it means that you can really as

683
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 3: an artist, step out of your comfort zone and know

684
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 3: that you know your your partner, who you're you're out

685
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 3: there with, is going to have you. So I think

686
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 3: you know feels that same way. But I think that

687
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 3: that's you know, and and and there's massive amounts of

688
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 3: stuff that we have to tackle at a time, you.

689
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, of course, So yeah, it's just.

690
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: Really been kind of just lovely and respectful and you know,

691
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 3: you spend so many hours, uh, and I think that

692
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 3: that's also why we were so protective of this storyline. Yeah,

693
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 3: because we our characters have been together for so long

694
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 3: and not I mean, like what you were saying I

695
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 3: thought was really interesting and love Connie Britten. I mean,

696
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 3: I know, we're all the way back from our New

697
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: York theater days, and it's interesting because it it wasn't

698
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 3: so much as judging the character, but but safeguarding that

699
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 3: we weren't just gonna do something to do it, that

700
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 3: there was real deep intention behind it, similar to the

701
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 3: conversations you and I had about open marriage and what

702
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: is the story that we're telling? That it really had

703
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: a depth to it, and I'm sure that the writers

704
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 3: also wanted that same intention. But you know, the writers

705
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 3: are always steps ahead of us when they bring us

706
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 3: a new idea, So just to kind of hear from them,

707
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 3: like what they're thinking, and I have to give the

708
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 3: writing team just such a huge shout out, if you will,

709
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 3: that that they listen to what our concerns are then,

710
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 3: and look, if they're total if our concerns are like,

711
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 3: you know, kind.

712
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 2: Of bullshit, then they'll call it bullshit, right.

713
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 3: But if they actually are making sense, I feel like,

714
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 3: you know, Meg really listens and kind of goes back

715
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: and sort of reworks it and hones it into here's

716
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 3: the initial idea, here was input, and it kind of

717
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 3: amalgamates into I think where we are today with you

718
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 3: know the storyline of open marriage and then also, you know,

719
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 3: all of your incredible input and finesse to it so

720
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 3: that so that it's a deeper thing rather than just

721
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 3: kind of clickbait.

722
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and that's it, right you, No matter what

723
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: you're doing, you want to humanize it because that, I

724
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 1: also think is the way out of judgment of your character.

725
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: It's the way out of feeling like something is gratuitous,

726
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 1: to make something really real, to give it emotional legs,

727
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: to think through it intellectually. And that was part of

728
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: what was so much fun for me, you know, coming

729
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 1: in with you guys, because you care so much and

730
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: you do so much work on it that you know,

731
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: it made me feel like I could also bring the

732
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: best version of myself to that. I'm realizing that, you know,

733
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 1: I was saying, how I'm seeing how I'm seeing fans

734
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: react to our storyline, but how are the fans reacting

735
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: for you? I Mean, you've been part of this world

736
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 1: for so long. And I imagine you have a relationship

737
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: with the Grays fan base, Like what what's your internet

738
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: look like right now? Are people excited? Are they upset?

739
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: Are they all the things?

740
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 3: It's so interesting because you know, I wanted to be

741
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 3: home when are like the episode that I directed aired

742
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 3: and I was away, so I haven't done like a

743
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 3: sort of deep die you're waiting.

744
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 2: I'm kind of waiting.

745
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 3: To like be because it just you know, I mean,

746
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 3: and then the finale, and I do think that there's

747
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 3: mixed feelings. I think we definitely stirred up the and

748
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 3: I get it, you know what I mean, Like it's, yeah,

749
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 3: like what's so cute? I'm realizing now the fans are

750
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 3: going through what I went through when they first said.

751
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 2: Oh we're going to do an open marriage.

752
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: Yes, what the.

753
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: Fuck are you talking about?

754
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: Open marriage?

755
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 2: So I think and then and then some people split

756
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 2: off and they're like this is fantastic. I'm shipping that.

757
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 2: You know, Cassidy and.

758
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 3: I love them and sort of like how we feel

759
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 3: about like all of our scenes, like we love it,

760
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 3: and then also like heartbroken, like like in terms.

761
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 2: Of like but hold on, is Owen hurt?

762
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 6: Like what's happening and then like what happens with where

763
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,959
Speaker 6: Owen is going in his storyline, And so I think

764
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 6: from the small little at the airport of what I read,

765
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 6: I think it's this mix of sort of like what

766
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 6: I went through, you know, of yeah, and you know,

767
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 6: I get it, like when you've been shipping a relationship

768
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 6: for as long as Teddy and Owen have been together,

769
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 6: and there's something you know and and it it's on

770
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 6: the precipice of not making it or making it. That's

771
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 6: really scary because I totally get why people, I.

772
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 3: Mean people, I was skiing up on the top of

773
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 3: a mountain, like you have to like it's like way

774
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 3: up there, and the in Italian this woman at the

775
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 3: cash register was like, are you telling.

776
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 4: You all men?

777
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it's like and she had, you know, feelings.

778
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: So it's it's just.

779
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: So interesting that it reaches such like there's such a

780
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 3: huge reach to it.

781
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 2: And I think it's because it's that organic thing.

782
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 3: Of like, well, if this relationship is not making it,

783
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 3: what does it mean about my relationships? And I think

784
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 3: that that's also okay, Like I think that that's what's

785
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 3: really cool is and that's also why I think Greece

786
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: has lasted, you know, twenty going into twenty two seasons.

787
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 3: We're all on the roller coaster of these characters, and

788
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 3: I totally get. I totally get the confusion, the ships,

789
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 3: the you know, the wanting of all the different things

790
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 3: and the confusion of the new things.

791
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 2: And yes, it's sort of a multitude of feelings. I think.

792
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. And now a word

793
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: from our wonderful sponsors. When did you start directing?

794
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: I started My first thing was with Alissa Milano.

795
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 3: Oh you you know, you guys have a similar thing

796
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 3: of just supporting other women in in so many aspects

797
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 3: of life.

798
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 2: There were these three books.

799
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 3: That I, you know, with a couple other people, we

800
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 3: were like, let's try to you know, make these into films,

801
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 3: and we ended up getting the rights of like seven books.

802
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 3: But then they couldn't figure out, you know, sort of

803
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 3: where to put this one book. And again it was

804
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 3: about a woman, really interesting story, and so through like

805
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 3: a sort of long, you know, kind of hall, we

806
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 3: ended up getting three of them made, and one of

807
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 3: them I directed with my husband, and he directed another one,

808
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 3: and then I went back to Grace, and then there

809
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 3: was the third one. But it was just it was

810
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 3: this feeling of, you know, having kind of done the

811
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 3: acting lane for a while that I just was like, oh,

812
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 3: I want to see what it's like from other perspectives.

813
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 3: And having someone like Debbie Allen and Kevin Conra Wilson

814
00:46:54,840 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 3: and watching them kind of, uh, you know, put on

815
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 3: a totally different hat and sort of lead the way.

816
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 2: Really opened up the sort of that door for me.

817
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 3: And so and I think, I don't know if I'm

818
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 3: repeating myself, but you know, Debbie Allen doesn't just hand

819
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 3: out episodes, like if you're on the show, it doesn't

820
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:17,959
Speaker 3: mean that you're.

821
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 2: Going to get an episode.

822
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 3: You have to really it's almost like the Debbie Allen

823
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 3: UCLA Film School.

824
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 2: She's not in collaboration with UCLA, but I just feel

825
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 2: like you.

826
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 3: Have to shadow and train, yeah, and really sort of

827
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 3: prove that you've arrived at the knowledge that you'll need

828
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 3: to do it. And I and that is what is

829
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 3: also so incredible about her is so that you know,

830
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 3: the first episode of Grace that they gave to me.

831
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 2: They could have been like, oh, let's give her like

832
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 2: a small little up. She's you know, she hasn't done

833
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 2: it here before.

834
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 3: They gave me a huge episode and it was incredible,

835
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 3: and it was such a you know.

836
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 2: I I mean, I had.

837
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 3: A car hitting two of the actors as an I

838
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 3: had a brick hitting another actor.

839
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: I had a song, I had a birth. I had

840
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:12,439
Speaker 2: to have a.

841
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 3: Real baby, but it was COVID, so they weren't kind

842
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 3: of allowing it, so I had to advocate for that.

843
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: It was, you know, an amazing.

844
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 3: Storyline about women's reproductive rights. It was a massive episode

845
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 3: and really thanks to Debbie, I felt very prepared for it,

846
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 3: and wow, you know, and that also, I think is

847
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 3: incredibly important, and she understands the importance of not only

848
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 3: like when it's so hard and everyone says, oh, it's

849
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 3: better for women, it's better, ways it's still really hard

850
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 3: for female directors, right, so that when you finally have

851
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 3: that opportunity, it's it's one thing to have opportunity, it's

852
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 3: another thing to be prepared and skilled with that opportunity.

853
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: I really feel like, you know, it's Debbie's.

854
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 3: Knowledge of that that like, you kind of get one

855
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 3: shot at it, and if you arrive and you don't

856
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 3: have the skill for it, you might not.

857
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 2: So she makes sure that.

858
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 3: When that opportunity, does you know, come knock in that

859
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 3: you're really prepared. And she's just been an incredible mentor

860
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 3: and she's just really I mean, you have to know

861
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 3: your stuff, have done your homework, and it goes back

862
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 3: to those days of being in that theater program and

863
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 3: if you're a minute late, you're kicked out.

864
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 2: It's disciplined, right.

865
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 3: So I just there's something for me that is so

866
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 3: incredible to have the sort of years of acting experience

867
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 3: and to be able to translate that into something that's

868
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 3: sort of like in the same vein as acting, but

869
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 3: a totally different medium. I feel like it's like it's

870
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 3: just like blown my mind and opened up a whole

871
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 3: other lane for me, which I just I love it.

872
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: That's so cool.

873
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Kevin was.

874
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 3: So supportive and Chandra, I mean they were just amazing

875
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 3: everyone in their own and I mean and that crew,

876
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 3: I mean, you've got to experience that group. Our crew

877
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 3: is just amazing. I just really I love them. They

878
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 3: work so hard. They are there before everyone and after everyone,

879
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 3: and they give up so much of their family time

880
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 3: and I really I'm just blown away by each department's

881
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 3: talent and like we're really Lucky.

882
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: It's incredible. I mean the from the set builds and

883
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 1: the way that they can accordion down and expand into

884
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: other things. I mean, your lighting rigs, everything. I was like,

885
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is an amazing place to come

886
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 1: to work.

887
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a really good, really good group. And to

888
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 3: see such a you know, and to see so many

889
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 3: women there too. I mean we've got also incredible female

890
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 3: DP and she's just amazing. Yeah, and on standing of

891
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 3: the departments. So that's really great.

892
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: It's really cool. How do you think the show manages

893
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: to stay so fresh because twenty one seasons of material?

894
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think it's partially because there's never

895
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 1: a shortage of medical stories? It is there, like secret

896
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 1: sauce in the water, what is going on over there?

897
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 3: I feel like it is that thing that we sort

898
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 3: of touched upon, of the willingness to go to a

899
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 3: dark side of sort of you know, humanness, and then

900
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:44,720
Speaker 3: also really show hero moments because a lot of medical

901
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 3: shows that haven't lasted, you know, and so it's got

902
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 3: to be something I feel like that Shonda has tapped into. Yeah,

903
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 3: you know, and I mean the fans are it's a

904
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 3: lot to do with the fans, and I really, I

905
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 3: just I think that you know, Shonda was willing to

906
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 3: take certain risks and do certain things that we then

907
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 3: carry on throughout the seasons.

908
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 2: That really just I.

909
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 3: Mean that is sort of lightning in the bottle, right,

910
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 3: I mean, amazing medical shows, but for whatever reason, they

911
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 3: don't stick. And I think I think so many of us,

912
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 3: you know, you and I have done shows that haven't

913
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 3: gone on which were like shows, but they just don't

914
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 3: for some reason they don't connect or or a studio

915
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 3: or a network hasn't given.

916
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 2: Its time too. I think that's also.

917
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 3: A really big thing in terms of you know, times

918
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 3: have changed, whereas able to evolve, and so too there's

919
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 3: not as much time.

920
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 2: So I'm sure those medical shows would have stuck around.

921
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, in terms of grace, I really I

922
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 3: just feel like, I think the humanity of what all

923
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 3: of these people are going through and the ability of

924
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 3: the writers to yes come up with medical stuff. But

925
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 3: even like the open marriage thing, I'm not sure other

926
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 3: shows would have tackled that. You know, they would have

927
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 3: had that thing of like, well is she going to

928
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 3: be likable?

929
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

930
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 3: Like you and I have heard that and I don't

931
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 3: know if your fans know.

932
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 2: What that is.

933
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, the likability trap is tough, and female characters in particular,

934
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 1: no matter what they are, even if their assassins, people

935
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: are like, but is she likable?

936
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: Right?

937
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: They never asked that about the men.

938
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 2: They never asked that about men.

939
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: It's so weird.

940
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 3: And I think that that's what's really cool that Shonda

941
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 3: and the writers and our showrunner is able to like

942
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 3: really lean into that and not be afraid of that.

943
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: Wow, that really strikes me as something especially for the fan,

944
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: I think, because it just hit me that you have

945
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: women who run your show, who trust how smart your

946
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:12,720
Speaker 1: audience is. They're not thinking that the fans are gonna

947
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: suddenly not like a character if she's human, right, Well,

948
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 1: I mean I think about the pilot of Grace.

949
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, how it's Meredith who is like sleeping with Derek

950
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 7: and then the next morning he's like gotta go, Like

951
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 7: you know, it's all it's sort of like it.

952
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 3: It kind of bins the stereotype on its head and yeah,

953
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 3: afraid and not afraid of it. And I don't know

954
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 3: how they also are able to have that and still

955
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 3: and maybe that is because yeah, like you're saying. The

956
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 3: fans are like, yeah, I relate to that, Like, yeah,

957
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 3: I you know, I don't.

958
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: Know a human woman exactly what. Yeah, I love it. Okay,

959
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: I'm curious about this because we touched on it a

960
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: little bit. It's fun to go into a surgical scene

961
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: having a little bit of surgical background. You have done

962
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: so much surgery on this show. You have played a

963
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: doctor for so long. How much do you think you

964
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: actually know? Like if there were an emergency scene and

965
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: I was gonna.

966
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 3: Say, like, I know you, and I like I know

967
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 3: you after being with you so much this year that

968
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 3: like I think you actually really absorb that stuff. Like

969
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 3: I think like if I was on a desert island

970
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 3: with you, I'd be like, yeah, I want her operating

971
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,760
Speaker 3: on me, like like you.

972
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 2: I'm I would say I'm really good.

973
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 3: Like in an emergency situation, I feel like I could

974
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 3: be a total badass and I want it in my mind.

975
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 3: I feel like, oh yeah, I could do it. I

976
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 3: don't know if like the recall of like oh yeah,

977
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 3: you would be great.

978
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 8: You'd be like, oh, this is the blobberie blah of

979
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 8: the ex blobbery blah and you blah blah blah, and

980
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 8: you would like kind of like all regurgitate all that,

981
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 8: and I'd be like, yes, I remember.

982
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 2: Down here where the heart is.

983
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: That is so funny.

984
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,479
Speaker 2: Quite sure did they say to connect these two?

985
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 4: Like?

986
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 3: Also, like if I was putting together furniture, you would

987
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 3: be my first call, right like.

988
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, oh I'm so good at that.

989
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: See like you're you remember all that?

990
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 3: Yeah? Like you like so, I don't if I had

991
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 3: to take a medical test, fuck it, forget it, no way.

992
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 2: But if you showed me the cavity of a.

993
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 3: Body around cardio like thoracic stuff, because that's all that's

994
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 3: what Teddy does, I think I could kind of like

995
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 3: connect some dots.

996
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I like it. There's like paint by Num.

997
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 3: I did tell the story once in an interview, and

998
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 3: it's kind of embarrassing, and I'll tell you because I

999
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 3: think I did tell you. The short version is my

1000
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 3: husband and I are on a plane and you know,

1001
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, we heard ladies and gentlet known

1002
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 3: if there's a doctor on the plank, can you please

1003
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 3: come forward?

1004
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 2: We have a medical emergency. I started to get up.

1005
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god, just you're subconscious.

1006
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 3: I've never seen him this. He went like green. He

1007
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 3: grabbed my He was like, what are you doing.

1008
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 8: I was like, there's a medical army, because like, you are.

1009
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 2: Not a doctor. And I was saying, I know I'm

1010
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 2: not delusional, but part of me I don't know whether

1011
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 2: there's that part of life. Yeah, I can fix anything.

1012
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 2: I of course I could do this.

1013
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, I gotta admit, if I was

1014
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: on a plane and they did the thing and no

1015
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: one got up, I would get up.

1016
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I would. So what do you think, Like,

1017
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 2: could you say I did it?

1018
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: Once?

1019
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 2: I told you I did one ye. Yeah.

1020
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: It was at a music festival. A girl started having

1021
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: an epileptic seizure and I knew what to do. And

1022
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: people were like, oh my god, are you a doctor?

1023
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: And I was like no, but I I was like,

1024
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: what I can't explain right now is why I know

1025
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: what to do in this situation. But I do know

1026
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: what to do in this situation, and it's like what

1027
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: I realize it's probably more honestly, from having been a

1028
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: camp counselor and literally having to keep other people's children

1029
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: alive and who you are sure I know a lot

1030
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: about a lot of things in weird ways. And I

1031
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,439
Speaker 1: do think if we were on a plane and there

1032
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: was no actual doctor, I'd be honest, It's not like

1033
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to be like sometimes I know, I'd be like, look,

1034
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor, but what's going on? Because like,

1035
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm CPR certified, and I do have all these other

1036
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: fans not that I know how to respond to, so

1037
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: let me try to help. My mom gets upset by that.

1038
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: She's like, you are the person that if there is

1039
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: a disaster, like if if there was an explosion in

1040
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: a building, you run toward the building while everyone's running away.

1041
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: And I'm like, obviously I'm gonna I'm going to help.

1042
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: And she's like, you're my kid, run away, run away

1043
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: from the disaster. And I'm like, oh, I see.

1044
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 2: You are a doer and you are a fixer. I mean,

1045
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 2: I mean, do you met.

1046
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 3: I think the first time we actually really met, and

1047
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 3: I'll tell your fans, you were handing out homemade soup

1048
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 3: to the UPS delivery man during COVID.

1049
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 2: I was I was like, I love this woman.

1050
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, you're my neighbor.

1051
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 2: Wasn't that the first time?

1052
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I made soup for JP, he's one you

1053
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: gave me, honey, I did.

1054
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 2: Neighborhood, Yeah, neighbors by the way, everyone.

1055
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: It's so nice. We have a cute We have a

1056
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: cute little zone in the city.

1057
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 2: I'll tell you where it is. But it's a cute now.

1058
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: But it's cute, and we do love who are you

1059
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: ps man? We do for life? And now a word

1060
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: from our sponsors that I really enjoy and I think

1061
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: you will too. This is a random question, but because

1062
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: you've done the show for so long, I'm curious because

1063
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 1: the answer for me was yes, Have you ever stolen

1064
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: anything from the grades set?

1065
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 3: Yes, the first time I left, I stole my scrub cap.

1066
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 2: Cute because it.

1067
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 3: Means there's so much meaning in the hat for Teddy

1068
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 3: with the birds and Alison.

1069
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh, I love that. I mean I waited

1070
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: until we rapped, but I took I did take some things.

1071
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: Like The funniest part is that when we wrapped, my

1072
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: girlfriend Hillary, who's one of my best friends from that job,

1073
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: was not working on the show anymore. She had left

1074
01:00:56,080 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: after the sixth season. So the biggest and most like

1075
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: not incognito in any way, shee orformed things that I

1076
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: stole were actually for her, Like I stole her this

1077
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: chair that had a table attached to it.

1078
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, did you steal a chair?

1079
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a nineteen fifties telephone chair. And then

1080
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: I stole her a lamp.

1081
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 2: Time out time, How did you walk out with a chair?

1082
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I like drove up to the soundstage and

1083
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: just put stuff in the car. Now, in my defense,

1084
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: they were selling everything off okay, and I was like,

1085
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: I'm going, wait, this is your.

1086
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 2: Show, not for you. Oh, c's just like, how did

1087
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 2: you pull? I thought I stole a chair? Load up

1088
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 2: a chair?

1089
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: Could you imagine?

1090
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 2: No?

1091
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 1: But I did. Actually I took photos. They were redressing

1092
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Speaker 1: some set and there were these sconces in boxes and

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Speaker 1: I asked the set deck team where they came from,

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Speaker 1: and they were like, oh, they're vintage. They're from a

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Speaker 1: prop warehouse. So I took photos of them so I

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01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: can try to reverse image search them and see if

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Speaker 1: I can find them online anywhere. I wanted to steal them,

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Speaker 1: but I wouldn't. No, I wouldn't actually like like steal, steal,

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Speaker 1: But I was like, if you're going to sell all

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01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: these things that have immense emotional meaning to me to strangers,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to take what I want before the sale.

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Speaker 2: That's totally yes.

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Speaker 3: I mean they were selling them, they were giving them away.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly. That's how I felt about that, exactly. I

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01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: like that you have your scrub cap. That's perfect. I'm

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01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: just realizing how long we've been talking. I could talk

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01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: to you forever. I wish we had a glass of

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Speaker 1: wine and we were in the same place.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're doing that walk, We're doing.

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Speaker 1: That very soon. I will ask you my last and

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01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: favorite question to ask everyone who comes on the show,

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Speaker 1: who graces me with their presence, what feels right now

1113
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: like your work in progress as a human or in

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01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: any way whatever comes to mind. It can be a

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01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: career thing, a personal thing, anything you want. Oh, oh

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01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: my gosh, so many things. I'm always working on making

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01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: sure the only opinions I listen to come from people

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01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:10,919
Speaker 1: who matter to me, which in our line of work

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Speaker 1: is really hard. I am. I am working on saying

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Speaker 1: no to more things because I want to say yes

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Speaker 1: to everything. I want to do everything for everyone. I

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01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: want to get on every zoom, I want to help

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Speaker 1: with every project, and I just don't actually have enough

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Speaker 1: hours in the day. So I'm trying to get better

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01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: at saying no carefully and I am I am constantly

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Speaker 1: working on letting how happy I finally am in my

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01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: life really hit me and that feels nice.

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Speaker 3: And I think that comes from learning how to love oneself,

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Speaker 3: because if we learned how to love oneself, then we

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Speaker 3: can accept the love from the other.

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Speaker 2: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Maybe, I think it's kind of a great thing.

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Speaker 3: Those are all amazing and beautiful. Thank you for sharing that.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 3: I think really continuing sort of following this directorial pathway.

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Speaker 1: I cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really.

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Speaker 3: It's just something that I I.

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Speaker 2: Just love that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, for me, that moment when the first time

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Speaker 3: where you know, I had for at least the grades

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Speaker 3: one where I sat at home and I was kind

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01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 3: of figuring out how to do this new thing, and

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Speaker 3: then I was at the game Boy, which for your

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01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 3: it's the one you have the three I know, you know,

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01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 3: but for your fans when you have like the three

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Speaker 3: screens and you can see the three camera shooting it,

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01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 3: and it was like it was like all of a

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01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 3: sudden like being a diver underwater in the ocean and

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Speaker 3: seeing all of these things that I had never seen before,

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Speaker 3: so it like opened up like this whole world for me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm just so.

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Speaker 3: I just feel like there's I'm so blown away by

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Speaker 3: it and I feel like there's so much to learn.

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Speaker 3: And what's so exciting to me is to sort of

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Speaker 3: find something within the field that I do that I love.

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Speaker 2: But that's like blowing my mind.

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Speaker 3: And I I love that like where I am in

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Speaker 3: my life and my career, that I can find something

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Speaker 3: that really turns me on and excites me and terrifies me,

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Speaker 3: you know, not sure what the path is, and to

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Speaker 3: really kind of lean into that.

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Speaker 2: And and I think.

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Speaker 3: I think something all so that I'm I'm like working

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01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 3: on is similar saying no, but it's like voicing when

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Speaker 3: something is is uncomfortable or not working.

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Speaker 2: For me, I'm so.

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Speaker 3: Used to, you know, being in agreement and you know,

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Speaker 3: and I think directing is also helping me find my

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Speaker 3: voice in that because when you're directing, you have to

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01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 3: lead the troops, but for me also in a very

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Speaker 3: collaborative way. So I think I'm trying to translate that

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Speaker 3: into my life of instead of, like you said, sort

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Speaker 3: of saying yes to everything. It also, as women were

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Speaker 3: taught to, especially in this business, to not you know,

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Speaker 3: rock the boat, don't you know, don't make any waves,

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01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 3: don't you know? And you have to find all of

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01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 3: these ways to kind of like like pretzel your way

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01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 3: through the thing because you don't want to like be

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Speaker 3: difficult or be labeled in any or. And I think

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Speaker 3: what's been so interesting about directing is it enables me

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01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 3: to sort of speak up to what and believe in

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01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 3: my own vision and whether it's right or wrong doesn't matter.

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01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 3: What matters is sort of the collaborative vision that I

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01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 3: have and believing that that is of importance. So that

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01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 3: is kind of blow my life and as well as

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Speaker 3: like into my vision creatively.

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Speaker 2: So that's sort of what I'm working on.

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Speaker 1: I love that. That's beautiful. Thank you for sharing, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and thank you for coming to hang with us today.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: I know all the fans are so amped to hear

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Speaker 1: from you, and it's been such a joy to come

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Speaker 1: and play on your show.

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Speaker 3: I know having you too is a real gift. You're, just,

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Speaker 3: like I keep saying to everyone, such an intelligent, collaborative, unique, talented,

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01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 3: amazing human beings. So it's just been such an amazing

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Speaker 3: amazing season, and I hope we have more stuff together.

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Speaker 1: I do too, fingers crossed. Yeah, thanks Cassidy Forever.

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Speaker 2: That's so cute.

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Speaker 1: Sorry cutie, thank you, Enjoy the rest of your day.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Anny.

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Speaker 1: Bye,