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Speaker 1: Remember that moment when you were a kid and some

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Speaker 1: that your epidermis, well, it's just a science y word

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Speaker 1: for your skin. To be precise, the epidermis is the

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Speaker 1: top of three layers of your body's gorgeous largest organ,

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Speaker 1: and it does a whole boatload for you, starting with

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Speaker 1: protecting your insights from germs and infection. According to doctor

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Speaker 1: Deborah S. Sarnoff, a dermatologist and president of the Skin

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Speaker 1: Cancer Foundation, our skin is also an emotional organ and

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Speaker 1: the most sensory organ in our body. Not only does

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Speaker 1: Anyone who gets stress hives knows this firsthand, and I

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Speaker 1: see you. Simply put, your skin is incredible and does

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Speaker 1: so much for you. But there are also elements that

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Speaker 1: free radicals. These things cannot only damage your skin and

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Speaker 1: of your body. But fear not. There are ways to

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Speaker 1: notes because this is grown up stuff. Hey, hey, hey,

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Speaker 1: we're back. This is the season two premiere of Grown

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Speaker 1: Up Stuff How to Adult Matt. I am so glad

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Speaker 1: to be back on this journey with you. How are

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Speaker 1: you How are you feeling about adulthood lately?

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Speaker 2: Wow? I'll answer your question with a situation.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I love situation.

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Speaker 2: Here's the scene. It is Sunday, and I'm in my

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Speaker 2: Vanguard Retirement Account portfolio and I am reallocating funds. I

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Speaker 2: know what to do because I listened to this podcast, Molly.

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Speaker 2: So that's how I'm feeling about being a grown up.

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Speaker 2: But you know, lately, other things have come up, like

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Speaker 2: Is this my problem? Do I live in a cold climate?

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Speaker 1: Matt, I love when you give me a perfect segue

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Speaker 2: My skincare routine includes me hopping in the shower, rubbing

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Speaker 1: I have two different kinds of body lotion that I

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Speaker 1: Jen, Welcome to grown up Stuff How to Adult. Thank

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Speaker 3: What you guys all are talking about is not soap.

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Speaker 3: twenty years of journalism experience. In this interview germs and

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Speaker 3: That's totally a thing. So double cleansing is basically washing

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Speaker 3: these are all reasons that you want to cleanse at night.

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Speaker 1: And then let's talk about exfoliating, because that's like a

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Speaker 3: So exfoliating is There's so many kinds of exfoliators. There

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Speaker 1: Figure it to be okay. No, this is jen call

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Speaker 3: If you have body acne. I don't think it's that

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Speaker 3: oh one. Guys like do not pick, do not touch,

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Speaker 1: So I'm bad because sometimes I will. Actually, my sister's

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Speaker 3: It can happen anyway, but it's one more reason not

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Speaker 1: cysts and pimples professionally. Seeing one of our pimples pop

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00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,679
Speaker 1: and ooze out the pus held from within feels like

437
00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:40,200
Speaker 1: this release or cleansing, as if we've rid ourselves of

438
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 1: an alien substance and are somehow lighter and purer now

439
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,199
Speaker 1: having it expelled from our skin. But as Jen says,

440
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,439
Speaker 1: if you can avoid doing this, it will lead to

441
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,719
Speaker 1: happier looking skin in the long term. While cleaning our

442
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 1: faces and not popping pimples is just one way we

443
00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,199
Speaker 1: can help take care of our skin, moisturizing can be

444
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:03,320
Speaker 1: another important step in our skincare routine. Moisturizers not only

445
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,879
Speaker 1: provide hydration to our skin, but moisturizing can help protect

446
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 1: against inflammation as well. According to a study published in

447
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 1: the Indian Journal of Dermatology, most moisturizers today actually block

448
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,919
Speaker 1: the activity that creates pro inflammatory pro stenoids and soothe

449
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 1: the epidermis from inflammatory conditions like psoriasis. But did we

450
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 1: always need to moisturize.

451
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,440
Speaker 3: Well, if we're back in the day and we weren't

452
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,959
Speaker 3: using sunscreen and we were out in nature and we

453
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,959
Speaker 3: did not wash with cleansers, we probably wouldn't need to moisturize.

454
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,439
Speaker 3: But we wash with cleansers to get off all this

455
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 3: air pollution in this dart and the sunscreen is to

456
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 3: make up, and that does strip some of the natural

457
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 3: moisturizing factors in your skin, so you want to replace them.

458
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 3: And also the more hydrated your skin is, like, the

459
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 3: better it looks, and the better it operates and the

460
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,640
Speaker 3: better it feels. So, I mean, there's very few people

461
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 3: I know who don't love the benefit of a good

462
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 3: moisturizer and their skin doesn't need it, even people with

463
00:21:59,000 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 3: oily skin.

464
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 2: So in saying that thing, does dry skin necessarily age faster?

465
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if there's research on that, but I've

466
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 3: definitely heard that like Old Wives tales, well, I think

467
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 3: it was a bunch of like well meaning aunties who

468
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 3: wanted to make you feel better about that your acne, right, like, oh,

469
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 3: but you have boil these skin now, so you're going

470
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,679
Speaker 3: to age better. But you know, based on ethnicity and

471
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 3: the type of skin you have. They do have research

472
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 3: showing different skin types age differently, but I don't know

473
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 3: that it's specifically because you're oilier.

474
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 2: Then does our skin dry out as we age?

475
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 3: Absolutely, like just how everything else starts breaking down.

476
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 2: Right, We're just we're slowly breaking.

477
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. And if you're a woman and you are in menopause,

478
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,679
Speaker 3: so like when estrogen levels drop, that also causes it,

479
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 3: but it happens to men as well. There's the correlation

480
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 3: there of like when your skin is dry, any sort

481
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,400
Speaker 3: of texture or fine lines are so much more noticeable,

482
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 3: like a wrinkled piece of paper versus like, you know,

483
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 3: a smooth piece of paper.

484
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Speaker 2: That's good to know that because I feel like no

485
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 2: one's ever like been like that's what's happening. Because I move.

486
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 2: I basically moved to New York from California, and I

487
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 2: was like, man, I'm putting on a lot more moisturizer.

488
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 2: I just feel dry more. And as the years have

489
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 2: gone on, I'm like, I feel like I'm more and

490
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 2: more dry. I'm just getting older, that's what's happening.

491
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: And I noticed that, like, you know, when I moved.

492
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 1: When I go back to visit family in Chicago, where

493
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 1: it's a lot more, it's not nearly as humid, I

494
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: need to moisturize a lot more. Is that real?

495
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, your skin's definitely drier in drier environments. There's plenty

496
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,120
Speaker 3: of research showing that. And if you ask any flight attendant,

497
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 3: they will tell you because they age so fast up there,

498
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,360
Speaker 3: because they're a closer to the sun the ultra violet light.

499
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 2: More reason to be nicer to them.

500
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

501
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 3: But also it's like ten percent humidity or something like

502
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 3: that in the cabin. I'm sure you've noticed whenever you've

503
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 3: gotten off of a plane that you're like dry, dry dry. Yeah,

504
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 3: so when you're in a dry climate, sure you need

505
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 3: to moisturize more. But just because you're in a humid climate,

506
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 3: that's just water content in the air. That doesn't mean

507
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 3: it's like good moisturizing factors that help your skin, like

508
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 3: like a glycerin per se, which is like one of

509
00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 3: the simplest moisturizers and totally underrated in my opinion.

510
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 2: What other like non obvious agents might be drying our

511
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 2: skin that we don't even like think about or necessarily

512
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 2: even know about.

513
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 3: Sure, I mean anything that you might have an allergy

514
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 3: to can cause dryness, Like a wool sweater. I was like,

515
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 3: why is my face always dry when I wear wool?

516
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 3: I must have like some sort of thing with wool.

517
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 3: Things like that. Interesting the dry air. I don't about you, guys,

518
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 3: but I love a humidifier in New York City in

519
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 3: the winter because while you're sleeping you are losing so

520
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 3: much moisture in your skin. A humidifier is really nice.

521
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: This is a silly question. What about a high sodium diet?

522
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: Does that dry out your skin?

523
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 3: Yes, salt for sure, dries out your skin. Okay, I

524
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 3: just thought of another one. Hot water. Okay, so the

525
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 3: stuff between your cells on your skin, it's basically like

526
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 3: cement between bricks, and cold water wouldn't affect that, but

527
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 3: hot water, if it's hot enough, will basically melt that.

528
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 3: So if dirms had their way, you would be washing

529
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 3: your face with tepid water. You would be showering in

530
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 3: tepid water. You would never, oh my god, in hot water,

531
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 3: which is crazy because nobody's like that. But the thing

532
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 3: I had on Caroline Hirns on my podcast, and I

533
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 3: told her that I washed my face in the shower. Yeah,

534
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 3: you know with like shower temperature water, which is what

535
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 3: like one hundred ten degrees I'm guessing. I mean, she

536
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 3: was appalled that I stuck my face in the shower stream.

537
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 3: She's like, you're putting that hot water on your face

538
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 3: and I was like, yeah, it feels so good. I'm

539
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 3: rinsing off the cleanser. She just was like, you just

540
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 3: got rid of all of your natural moisture that was there.

541
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 3: You melted it off.

542
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 2: Basically, I one do that every day of my life.

543
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: I do this too.

544
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, so people do, but like that will be drying

545
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 3: out your body skin. You're gonna want to put moisturizer

546
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 3: on your damp skin when you get out, but try

547
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 3: not to put your face into the hot water of

548
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 3: the shower stream.

549
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: Huh. Let's talk about ingredients a little bit and what

550
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 1: are some of the things the different things that are

551
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 1: thrown around that we should like that we see advertised

552
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: and moisturizers that we want or don't need.

553
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 3: My thing with a lot of these ingredients is again,

554
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 3: if it's not broken, don't fix it. If you don't

555
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 3: have spots and you don't have an issue that you're like,

556
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 3: this is what I'm targeting and trying to fix. I

557
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 3: wouldn't go adding any of these we call them active

558
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 3: ingredients into your skincare routine. Like there's no rule that

559
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 3: you become an adult and you need vitamin C or

560
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 3: you become an adult, it's time for a retinoid. I

561
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 3: think these myths have really like perpetuated that, like I'm

562
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 3: twenty nine, I have to use a retinoid or I'm

563
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 3: behind everybody else. No, you're not. If your skin's fine

564
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 3: and you don't have a targeted concern, just keep doing

565
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 3: what you're doing. Cleanse, moisturize when you're dry, and always

566
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 3: wear sunscreen because that does more than any of these

567
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 3: ingredients will do. And here's the thing also that I'll

568
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 3: tell you that I think is really important. When you're

569
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,959
Speaker 3: talking about skincare. Celebrities are fake. Everything that they are

570
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 3: telling you is not true. If they say they just

571
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 3: use olive oil and water. They are getting injectables, they

572
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 3: are getting laser treatments. They are spending thousands and thousands

573
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 3: of dollars on procedures they don't want you to know about.

574
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 3: And if they give you a little piece of information

575
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 3: like oh, I got a laser, you better believe that's

576
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 3: an iceberg. That's just the tip. And they got a

577
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 3: million other things too, And I know they do because

578
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 3: I talk to the people that give them these treatments, right,

579
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 3: And I just think it makes the rest of us

580
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 3: feel like we have to keep up and we're not

581
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 3: doing well. And why do they look like that when

582
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 3: I don't look like that? And I think that comes

583
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 3: up a lot when you talk about skincare, And it's

584
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 3: just I'm out here to tell you, like it takes

585
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 3: a lot of work to look ageless like a celebrity.

586
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: But That's a good point where like people might read like,

587
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: you know, Scarlet Johansson's skincare routine and think that it's

588
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: also going to work for them and make them look

589
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: like Scarlet Johansson, and their skin might be different and

590
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: react differently to it. Like, So that's another really important

591
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: point to make as well. Absolutely, we'll be right back

592
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: with more grown up stuff how to adult after a

593
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: quick break and we're back with more grown up stuff

594
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: how to adults. In twenty twenty two, the beauty market,

595
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: which includes skincare, fragrances, makeup, and hair care, generated about

596
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: four hundred and thirty billion dollars in revenue, and it's

597
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: continued to increase in value year over year. That's according

598
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: to data from Mackinsey and Company and research published by

599
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 1: The Insight Partners valued the global skincare product market size

600
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: at one hundred and fifteen point thirty eight million dollars

601
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. It's no wonder considering how many

602
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: skincare products there are on the market. There are serums

603
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: that claim to eliminate fine lines and wrinkles, a spray

604
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 1: that will moisturize your skin while setting your makeup, an

605
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: oil that will give your face a natural, healthy glow.

606
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: Out of this limitless variety, what should we use and

607
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: how can we make the most of these different products. Okay,

608
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: let's go one step beyond moisturizers and talk oils, serums,

609
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: miss creams.

610
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 3: So you're talking about the vehicle, which is what we

611
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 3: call like the format of the product. These aren't all moisturizers.

612
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 3: There's gonna be treatment products in there as well. Like

613
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 3: at the beginning of your skincare you have a cleanser

614
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 3: and at the very end you hopefully have a sunscreen,

615
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 3: and so in between there could be all these steps

616
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 3: that are quote unquote creams or lotions or oils, but

617
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 3: they could be targeting different issues. So it depends on

618
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 3: what you're trying to treat your skin for. But in

619
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 3: generally you go from like the thinner consistency to the

620
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 3: thicker consistency. Oh okay, and that's the way to think

621
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 3: about that. I would say. The thing with skincare is

622
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 3: think about the variables. Like, if something's going wrong with

623
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 3: your skin and you're putting a lot of products on,

624
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to pair all. This is what you

625
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 3: would do if you went to a dorm anyway, they

626
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 3: would take you all the way back to like nothingness,

627
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 3: like a seravey or cetophyl cleanser the mildest one and sunscreen.

628
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 3: So I usually tell people, like, especially when you get

629
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 3: into the step routines or multi steps, like we were

630
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 3: talking about what order things like that, make sure you

631
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,479
Speaker 3: don't have any irritation, sensitivity, or issues, because if you do,

632
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 3: you're gonna want to pair all the way back and

633
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 3: then like one by one, add in something and see

634
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 3: if it works for you. Yeah.

635
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: So we talked a lot about moisturizing. We've talked a

636
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: lot about how to wash your face. Let's talk about

637
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: protecting it. First off, Do I really need to put

638
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: some on screen on? If I don't go outside?

639
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 3: Do you sit near a window? Can you see?

640
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 2: Is there enough light to see see?

641
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 3: If you can see, meaning you're not in a dark

642
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: closet with blackoutshade, there is wavelens of light, how do

643
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 3: you think you're seeing?

644
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: That's amazing. I love that.

645
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 3: That's the way a dorm explained it to me once

646
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: where I finally got it. Wowow, Yeah, if you can see,

647
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 3: you need sunscreen.

648
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: I wish everyone could see my face right.

649
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Speaker 3: Now, because once you hear it that way, you're like, oh, yeah,

650
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Speaker 3: wavelengths of light or how I see so that means

651
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Speaker 3: there's light.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's touching my skin too. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now let's talk let's talk minimum SPF situation. I

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Speaker 1: am a very fair skinned human and I don't do

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Speaker 1: anything less than like twenty five. But like, is there

656
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Speaker 1: a minimum and at what point does a max like

657
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Speaker 1: is it really doing anything?

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Speaker 3: I was the one that you're gonna wear and and

659
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Speaker 3: that you're gonna apply a lot of and apply frequently

660
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Speaker 3: is the one you should use period? What if you

661
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Speaker 3: get hung up on the numbers, then the problem is

662
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Speaker 3: some people are think, I put a SPF fifty, I

663
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Speaker 3: don't have to put it on as frequently. That's absolutely

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Speaker 3: not true. And the SPF system doesn't really tell you

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Speaker 3: a ton anyway. It's like an antiquated way they came

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Speaker 3: up with that number. They don't even use it in

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Speaker 3: certain other countries, the baselines that people say SPF thirty.

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Speaker 3: But I will tell you right now, if you're putting

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Speaker 3: SPF twenty five and you're reapplying it, that's way better

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Speaker 3: than SPF thirty once a day.

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Speaker 1: Even if I'm inside, I should be reapplying.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, ideally, listen, I'll be honest with you.

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Speaker 3: I put sunscreen on every morning. I probably only put

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Speaker 3: it on one more time in the day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of moisturizers now that have SPF thirty

677
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Speaker 3: in them because they know we're lazy, and I love

678
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Speaker 3: that kind of product. If it has SPF thirty, it's

679
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 3: been measured to protect it, had to do that in

680
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Speaker 3: order to get that number. That's fine to use as

681
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Speaker 3: your sunscreen. If you're using enough to cover your entire

682
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Speaker 3: face at the thickness, that will give you the SPF

683
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Speaker 3: thirty protection. But sometimes you don't want to do that

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Speaker 3: with the fancy moisturizer because then you run. You know,

685
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Speaker 3: you work through it too quickly. So if you're applying

686
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Speaker 3: it and using it, that's better than nothing.

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Speaker 1: Fair.

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Speaker 3: If you're at the beach and outdoors all day and

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Speaker 3: that kind of thing that I do, then I will

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Speaker 3: reapply like every hour, every two hours. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: wear a huge hat and I put on like the

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Speaker 3: white block that you can like literally see on my nose.

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Speaker 3: I don't care.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my wife and I were just in Mexico and

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Speaker 2: Basically we would look at our phones every day to

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Speaker 2: like see what the UV index was when smart and

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Speaker 2: essentially we were like cool being sun screened up outside,

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Speaker 2: you know, exposed when it was I think below two,

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Speaker 2: below two or three on the UV index, and then

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Speaker 2: the peak hours between like eleven and three, when it

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Speaker 2: was like between four and six on the UV index,

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Speaker 2: we were like, yeah, sun hat, suns shirts, still covered

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Speaker 2: up with unscreened, you know, but really just out and

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Speaker 2: exposed when it was like the UV index was at

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Speaker 2: its lowest, and we that's the first time I've ever

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Speaker 2: gone on like a beachy sort of like I was

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Speaker 2: outside all the time vacation and I was not burned.

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Speaker 3: See it worked. Yeah, you also said something I think

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Speaker 3: is really important. A lot of people when they think

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Speaker 3: about skin caring for your skin, they think products first, right,

711
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Speaker 3: because that's called skincare. But oh my gosh, protective clothing

712
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 3: is so great, the upf fabrics now, like wear a

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Speaker 3: surf shirt or wear a huge hat, where sunglasses, there's

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Speaker 3: other ways to protect yourself. Stay in the shade than

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Speaker 3: just the sun's green.

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Speaker 2: Go full head to toe under a towel and like

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Speaker 2: read your book, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to get into something called free radicals,

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Speaker 1: because it's another thing that we're supposed to be protecting

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Speaker 1: our skin against in addition to the sun's rays. Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so what is the best way we can protect our

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Speaker 1: skin from free radicals? And yeah, tell me a little

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Speaker 1: bit about what they actually are.

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Speaker 3: So the best way to do it would be antioxidants

725
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Speaker 3: because they sort of diminish the effect of free radicals.

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Speaker 3: These are some of the environmental things that are going

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Speaker 3: to cause your skin to age prematurely, and it's going

728
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Speaker 3: to happen no matter what. But the antioxidant ingredients like

729
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Speaker 3: things like green tea, vitamin C, vitamin E, even at

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Speaker 3: low levels, they helped to finish the free radicals so

731
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Speaker 3: they can't attack the skin. I'm going to use the

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Speaker 3: word attack very loosely here and oxidize it and age it.

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Speaker 3: So that is what you're looking for when you want

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Speaker 3: to protect against them. Most moisturizers now, though, have usually

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Speaker 3: have some antioxidant activity in them. Okay, like it's hard

736
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Speaker 3: to find unless it's market is a body moisturizer. There's

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Speaker 3: very few moisturizers that are like just moisture.

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Speaker 1: Should we be protecting our like body skin though, from

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Speaker 1: free radicals too, if.

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Speaker 3: You want to.

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Speaker 1: Sure, Okay, we don't want our body skin looking all either.

742
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Speaker 3: Sure, but I also think that we overestimate how much

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Speaker 3: skincare can do. Like, sure, if you put on a

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Speaker 3: body lotion with antioxidants and they're an expensive ingredient depending

745
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Speaker 3: on the antioxidant, like every day, maybe you're going to

746
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Speaker 3: look minimally younger at age sixty than somebody else. But like,

747
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Speaker 3: to what end that's what you're doing? You know, good points,

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Speaker 3: Let's be reasonable.

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Speaker 1: Let's also look into other things about protecting our skin,

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Speaker 1: like getting an annual skin check.

751
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 3: At your germ.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so obviously, aside from putting on daily soundblocks, this

753
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Speaker 1: is a really important part of protecting our skin. Can

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Speaker 1: you tell us a little bit why everyone should be

755
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Speaker 1: scheduling a yearly skin check with their dirt.

756
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Speaker 3: I didn't get one this year check.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 3: It's bad, It's real bad. It's a lot of work.

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Speaker 3: You got to go to the doctors, get undressed, They

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00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 3: take pictures if they do it well because they want

761
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Speaker 3: to compare moles from here to there. That's sure, but

762
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Speaker 3: you really should be going every year And I'm feeling

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Speaker 3: really guilty that I didn't go this past calendar year.

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Speaker 2: Another thing people don't think about it is like, I'm just

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Speaker 2: like moles, right, if you've got moles, like it's really

766
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Speaker 2: important to get that checked out for melanoma and other things.

767
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but even if you do, that's I think that's

768
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Speaker 3: another reason why I feel like, oh, well, I'm you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm not really fair skinned and I don't have moles.

770
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Speaker 3: But there's other kinds of skin cancers that aren't related

771
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 3: to the color of your skin or the moles or

772
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Speaker 3: your ethnicity that like can still be really bad. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's why you go.

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Speaker 2: So you know, cleansers, moisturizers, spfs, all kinds of things

775
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: you can do to take every skin. But let's take

776
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 2: it further back. There's plenty that you can do outside

777
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: of skin care that directly affects your skin. I'm thinking hydration,

778
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 2: your diet, your exercise. How does our overall health affect

779
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Speaker 2: our skin, and what can we be doing in our

780
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Speaker 2: daily lives to take care of our largest organ.

781
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Speaker 3: It's the same advice you'd get from a nutritionist for

782
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 3: saying healthy, it's eat more fruits and vegetables and whole grains.

783
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 3: Less meat and sugar both can lead to inflammation. Less

784
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 3: dairy things like that, and you'll definitely see a difference

785
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 3: in your skin. And there's lots of ties between things

786
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 3: like soriasis, eggs, acne, these specialty skin issues. There are

787
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Speaker 3: diet links. Sometimes it depends on the skin issue. Oh interesting,

788
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Speaker 3: but it's not like greasy food caluses greasy acne.

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Speaker 1: But nobod I would imagine like inflammatory foods, like foods like.

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00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 3: Cost sugar for sure. Yeah, sugar for sure. They've seen

791
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 3: correlation between high sugar diet.

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Speaker 2: That's been a huge one for me. I have like

793
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Speaker 2: crisis of the scalp and I've been going through like

794
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Speaker 2: a diet transformation thing, and yeah, I if I'm eating

795
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Speaker 2: more whole grand like a more Mediterranean style diet and

796
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: taking cutting out alcohol and gluten, like I really like

797
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 2: night and day seeing crazy.

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Speaker 3: We don't want to believe it, but it is. Yeah,

799
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Speaker 3: it absolutely works. And then you're pissed it works because

800
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 3: you're like, darn it, I have to put in the work.

801
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 3: I have to eat healthy.

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Speaker 2: Jen just wanted to thank you so much for taking

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Speaker 2: the time to chat with us about skincare. Feel like

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00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: it's an often overlooked but incredibly important part of being

805
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Speaker 2: an adult taking care of your skin as you age.

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Speaker 2: So thank you for being on and you know everyone

807
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Speaker 2: listening that has been had their mind blown. Go to

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Speaker 2: fat Messcare Podcasts Anywhere. Podcasts are are available to get

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Speaker 1: More, and you can follow Jen on Instagram at Jen

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Speaker 1: j e n n Underscore Edit. Jen, Thank you so

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Speaker 1: so much for being here.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: I'm honestly rocked by this revelation that I should be

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Speaker 1: wearing sunscreen indoors, but I will definitely be making more

816
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Speaker 1: of an effort to do that, even if I'm just

817
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Speaker 1: working from home. Here's what else I've learned about taking

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Speaker 1: care of my skin from Gen. In our modern world,

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Speaker 1: it's important to wash your skin every day to clear

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Speaker 1: it of daily pollution and any sunscreens or lotions that

821
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Speaker 1: we've put on to protect it. Tight skin is not

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Speaker 1: a feeling you want after you wash your face. It

823
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Speaker 1: means you're stripping your skin too much of its natural oils.

824
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 1: Doing this too much can potentially make your face overproduce oil.

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00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: So if you're washing your face with the same bar

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Speaker 1: of soap that you're using on the rest of your body.

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Speaker 1: This may be a sign that it's time to invest

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Speaker 1: in a gentler or facial cleanser, and maybe even a

829
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Speaker 1: new wash or cleanser for the rest of your body too.

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00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: If your hand soap has antibacterial in it, probably not

831
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Speaker 1: the best idea to wash your whole body with it.

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00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: I've been doing something called double cleansing this whole time,

833
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: which is a process frequently used to remove makeup, where

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Speaker 1: you start with one maybe oilier product to remove the makeup,

835
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Speaker 1: and then follow it up with a gentle cleanser to

836
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: remove any oil or film left behind and to get

837
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Speaker 1: the last bits of makeup that might be still left

838
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: on after the first step. Popping pimples that aren't ready

839
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: to be popped can result in post inflammatory hyperpigmentation, which

840
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: is when your skin creates more melanin as a reaction

841
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: to injury or irritation of the skin. If you truly

842
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: cannot help yourself, try a warm compress first, followed by

843
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: gently pushing two Q tips in from further away from

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Speaker 1: the pimple. If it doesn't pop easily, it's not ready

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00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: and just leave it alone. Your skin will lose moisture

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00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: as you age, so it's important to keep moisturizing as

847
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: you get older, and just because you might live in

848
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: a more humid climate doesn't mean you don't have to moisturize.

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Speaker 1: So just do your skin a favor. Always moisturize, avoid

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00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: too much salt in your diet, and stop washing your

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00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: face with hot water. Up fly and reapply sunscreen if

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00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: you're in natural light anywhere, you should be wearing sunscreen.

853
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: Don't neglect what a healthy diet of fruits, vegetables and

854
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: whole grains can do to promote healthy skin. Matt with

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Speaker 1: the listeners don't know is that Jen has also made

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Speaker 1: it her mission to find you a face wash to

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Speaker 1: help you fight that skin tightness. Buddy, if anyone can

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Speaker 1: do this, I know it's Jen and Molly.

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00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: I am here with an update. In fact, she sent

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Speaker 2: me an email already.

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Speaker 1: Really what did she say?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 2: She recommended Dove's fragrance free sensitive skin bar, which looks

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Speaker 2: like it fits the bill. I feel like I always

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Speaker 2: kind of gravitate away from Dove because of the fragrance.

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Speaker 2: Not a huge fan of the way it smells, but

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Speaker 2: it's got a fragrance for you. I'm here to try

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Speaker 2: it and my face I'm sure will appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited for you to take this journey, and

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Speaker 1: I know your sister, who is a skincare queen, is

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Speaker 1: also going to be equally thrilled by this upgrade to

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Speaker 1: your routine. But Matt, tell me about what our lovely

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Speaker 1: listeners can expect to learn this season on grown up stuff,

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Speaker 1: how to adult?

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Speaker 2: We have so many great episodes coming up this season.

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Speaker 2: We are going to figure out about plant care, learn

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Speaker 2: all of the mistakes that we're making when it comes

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Speaker 2: to doing laundry. And I'm personally very excited to learn

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Speaker 2: what dog ownership looks like and what it entails.

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Speaker 1: Ah, Matt, you know how much I love a good pun. Plus,

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Speaker 1: in two weeks, we are welcoming Lizzie Post back to

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Speaker 1: the podcast to talk to us about everything we need

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Speaker 1: to know and do when we're asked to be in

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Speaker 1: a wedding party. I think I'd be an exceptional wedding

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Speaker 1: party member. But I've only officially been in like two weddings.

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Speaker 1: Officially well, yeah, I kind of like weaseled my way

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Speaker 1: into like a few secondary roles in other weddings. You know,

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Speaker 1: I was a reader in one ceremony, a program passer

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Speaker 1: outer at another, the person in charge of desserts, and

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Speaker 1: even a bouncer at one wedding. Do you think those

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Speaker 1: counts like winning party people?

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Speaker 2: I am not sure they do, but I think we'll

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Speaker 2: find out for sure in two weeks on the next

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Speaker 2: episode of Grown Up Stuff, How do adult?

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Speaker 1: And remember you might not be graded in life, but

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Speaker 1: it never hurts to do your homework.

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Speaker 2: This is a production from Ruby Studio from iHeartMedia. Our

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Speaker 2: executive producers are Mollissha.

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Speaker 1: And Matt Stillo. This episode was engineered by the Matt.

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Speaker 2: Stillo and written by Malli Soosha.

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Speaker 1: This episode was edited by Sierra

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Speaker 2: Spreen and we want to thank our teammates at Ruby Studio,

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Speaker 2: including Ethan Fixel, Rachel Swan Krasnov, Amber Smith, Deborah Garrett,

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Speaker 2: and Andy Kelly.