1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 2: What's up? Everybody? 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 3: Welcome to move to sticks. DJ, Buck with you, Buck? 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 3: What's going on? 5 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 2: Man? How you doing? Come on with DJ. I'm good Man, 6 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: can't complain. I'm excited about your game over the course 7 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 2: of the weekend on Monday night, so to be fun. 8 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: You're part of the Harball Bowl, whether you or not, 9 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 2: she would be a lot of fun looking for. 10 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 3: You can shorten it shorten a little bit. The Harball 11 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 3: coming up on Monday night. I'm excited. I am looking 12 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 3: forward to it. It was a pretty awesome atmosphere. You know, 13 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 3: NFL we've always talked about the difference between college and 14 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 3: the NFL. The atmosphere always leans towards college. But uh, 15 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 3: Sunday night Chargers Bengals was a fun That was a 16 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 3: fun atmosphere, and I anticipate Monday night it'll be even 17 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 3: better with the Ravens being in town. So it'll be 18 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 3: a lot of fun watching that contest. We'll have time to, 19 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 3: you know, break that one down as we get to 20 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 3: next week, doing a remind everybody, next week we'll have 21 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 3: three pods, so not the full five, but three with 22 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 3: Thanksgiving coming up, which, by the way, that is next week. 23 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 3: I've learned that. 24 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm glad you figured it more 25 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 2: out than Thanksgiving is next week. 26 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 3: Wanted it today. 27 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: I wanted to wake up today and have Thanksgiving. I know, 28 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: and I can't. I can't wait for it. But I 29 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: can't wait for that conversational Harbor. And the only reason 30 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 2: why DJ is because obviously, you know, my attachments to 31 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: the Jacksonville Jaguars and watching cultural things have suddenly become 32 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 2: like must sy TV for me. So to watch Jim 33 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: Harbaugh quickly go to LA and establish a culture change 34 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: the environment here the players talk about the change in 35 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: the environment has just kind of peaked my interest. When 36 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 2: you think about what he has been able to do 37 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: in LA, what John Harbaugh has been able to sustain 38 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: in Baltimore, and then taking a shellacking in Detroit watching 39 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: what the Lions have created, it has just made me 40 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: more convinced than ever that culture environment matters more than 41 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: the x'es and o's. Whenever you think about building a 42 00:01:58,880 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: championship program. 43 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, and we'll have a chance to get 44 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 3: into specifics of that game, but I do want to 45 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 3: lead off a little bit with what you're talking about there, 46 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 3: because we always love looking into culture and how things 47 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 3: have changed. The thing that's unique getting a chance to 48 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 3: see Jim Harbaugh, you know, on the inside, getting a 49 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 3: chance to be close to it, see it every week 50 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 3: and have seen training camp and different things. This is 51 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 3: what my takeaway was. But maybe I didn't know from 52 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 3: the outside. But something that I've learned is that I 53 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 3: don't think often you hear these four words together. Toughness, discipline, 54 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 3: those ride together, right, Those always ride together. Oh you 55 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 3: are tough and discipline, positive and fun those usually ride together. 56 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 3: They're all for of those things. Man, Like, it is tough, 57 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 3: it is discipline, but they are overwhelmingly positive as a staff, 58 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 3: and they have fun. They enjoy being around each other, 59 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 3: they enjoy practice, they enjoy playing together. 60 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: So, like, how do you put it off? Because, like 61 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: I would say this as a high school coach, like 62 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 2: that is the delicate balnance, right, Like you want to 63 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: you want to have a discipline program. You want to 64 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: be tough, and so you think that you have to 65 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: do some old school things to get that, But how 66 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 2: do you also make it fun where guys want to 67 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 2: show up and they want to do that. And look, 68 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: we've talked about this guy John Gordon a lot, but 69 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: he always talks about positive leadership, like he's written books 70 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: on that. We talk about energy bus or positive leadership 71 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: within teams, all of those things. How do you create 72 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: that environment? Because I would say Jim Harbudd really does 73 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: dance to dance when it comes to that. Like everyone 74 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 2: knows what their teams are about. But when you hear 75 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: the players talk about him, when you see him at 76 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 2: the podium, like, it still looks fun, it still looks 77 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 2: like you want to be a part of it. How 78 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 2: do you derive that? And you're on the inside, you're 79 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: on the inside, you behind the curtain seeing it. 80 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 3: Because I think people think that playing around is fun 81 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 3: and work is hard. He's made work fun. That's that's 82 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 3: the that's what he's done. And one of the ways 83 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 3: he does that, Buck is when the practices are over 84 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 3: in training camp and they're doing direct extra conditioning and 85 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 3: they're flipping tires. Guess who's flipping tires with them? Yeah, coach, Yeah, 86 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 3: I mean you know what I mean? He jumps right in. 87 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 3: How are you gonna complain about it? As a twenty 88 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 3: two year old when you got the fifty plus year 89 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 3: old head coach with a bad hip who's doing the 90 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 3: same stuff you're doing. 91 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 2: Well, how about him playing catch? Like he doesn't seem 92 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: like anything. But I listened to Alex Smith on the 93 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 2: podcast talk about like just that part of him, him 94 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: building a relationship by playing catch, and then Harball talking about, oh, 95 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 2: you can learn so much about people when you're throwing 96 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: catch with him and you go back and forth and 97 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 2: all of that other stuff. I just think his intentionality 98 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: when it comes to building relationships and what he does. 99 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: And I mean people are talking about Justin Herbert, but 100 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,239 Speaker 2: look at how you build up Quinton Johnson, right, Quentin 101 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 2: Johnson was viewed as a throwaway, like, ah, he's not 102 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 2: any good, but he immediately came in and was like, Oh, 103 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: he's gonna be great. He's gonna be like he breathes 104 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 2: life in to these guys. And the program is the 105 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 2: same program that it was that Michigan is hard. It's 106 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 2: about physicality, toughness, work, extra work is the expectation. But 107 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 2: no one, no one bristles at the notion of oh, 108 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 2: oh no, this is what we expect to do. Like 109 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 2: whatever I think He used to do a thing where 110 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 2: you know how you have competitions, but the winners would 111 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: do the push ups and he would use the old 112 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 2: quote like Jonas Salk has a quote the greatest reward 113 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: for doing is the opportunity to do more. And so 114 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 2: there's this Jedi mind trick that he plays on people that, oh, 115 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 2: you know what, when we win, guess what we get 116 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 2: to do? We get to do more? Yeah? Like what? Like? No, 117 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: it runs counter to what most people think. But he's 118 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: found a way to make people really embrace that. 119 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's found a way to make the work fun. 120 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 3: I mean, I just really think that's what it is. 121 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 3: The competition's fund the work is fun. By the way, 122 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 3: did you see the video of the organ video with 123 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 3: landing and jump around? 124 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 2: No? No, no, I haven't seen it. 125 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 3: You haven't seen this, No, you gotta WATCHOK, Wisconsin, So 126 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 3: they play Wisconsin, right, think about Oregon going to play 127 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 3: at Wisconsin. That's not an easy environment to go to. 128 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 3: You know, it was going to be hyped up and 129 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 3: everybody knows that they play jump around there and the 130 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 3: place goes crazy. So he gets up in a team 131 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 3: meeting like, I guess it's the Monday of that week. 132 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 3: He gets up there and he goes, let me explain 133 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 3: to you guys the story about Pavlov's dog. You guys 134 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 3: know this, and he goes to the whole thing. He said, 135 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 3: so ring the little bell, and then the dog knows 136 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 3: what's up by the bell, and that that action is 137 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 3: a response to the bell. It just trains him. So 138 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 3: he said, every time you hear this song, jump around. 139 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 3: I don't want you to be, you know, listening quiet 140 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 3: or office said, we are going to embrace it, because 141 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 3: that's going to mean that it's time for us to eat. 142 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 3: We're the hungry dog and that is our bell. When 143 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 3: we hear that song, I want you guys to dance 144 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 3: around and enjoy it. And guess what we're gonna be 145 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 3: playing at meetings. We're gonna be playing it in practice. 146 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 3: And every time you hear that song, it's it's it's 147 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 3: it's to let you know. Okay, let's turn it up. 148 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 3: Let's absolutely turn it up. It's our time, it's our 149 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 3: time to take care of business. So fast forward there 150 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 3: in Madison, that song comes on, the whole Oregon team 151 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 3: is jumping up and down and going bananas, going crazy. 152 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 3: But like he took something that maybe was intimidating to 153 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 3: other teams and said like, oh, it's on now, like 154 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 3: this is our that's our that's our signal that it's 155 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 3: go time. I was like, that is that is genius 156 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 3: for college? Absolutely genius. 157 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,119 Speaker 2: How about that? And how about you with the little 158 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: history lesson right there? Pav loves Dog? How about Yeah? 159 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 2: About about DJ digging a little deeper to pull around? 160 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: But I do love that, like lift it around. Oh 161 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 2: you know what we're gonna do. We're going to take 162 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 2: your thing and make it our thing. Yeah. 163 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's our call to action. 164 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: Uh. 165 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 3: I was like, it's a genius they put you got 166 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: to see the video. It's incredible. The way they put 167 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: this whole video together is insane. Yeah, I want to 168 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 3: I want I want to do a fun project here. 169 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 3: In just the second, we're going to look at the 170 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 3: teams picking at the top of the draft. We'll do 171 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 3: that in a little bit and talk about who has 172 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 3: the most work ahead of him and maybe who could 173 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 3: be a little bit closer to turn in their program around. 174 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 3: We'll get to that in just a minute. But there 175 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 3: was a couple of numbers that I wanted to bring 176 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 3: up with you. Buck was going through some of the 177 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 3: PFF stuff and just sort of statistics and watching some 178 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 3: tape and looking at different things. I was curious about 179 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 3: a couple things. Let's rookie wide receivers, speaking of you know, 180 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 3: Harball and the Chargers. Lad McConkie has been He's on 181 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 3: pace for over a thousand yards. He leads all rookies 182 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 3: with nineteen explosives, crazy nineteen explosives. And when you watch it, 183 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 3: and I went through all those top receivers, watched all 184 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 3: their targets today just I wanted to see it. He's 185 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,719 Speaker 3: you know, I would say BTJ, him neighbors, those are 186 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: the three best route runners. But if you want to 187 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 3: look at just pure route running and then transitioning with 188 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 3: the ball on your hands, mcconki looks the best. As 189 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 3: we sit right here at this point in time. 190 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: Now, I would say that I'm not surprised, and I 191 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 2: would say that I'm not surprised given what he was 192 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 2: able to do at Georgia over years. And I think 193 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 2: it's really important to the scouts that are listening. That's 194 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: why you don't just look at his final season. To me, 195 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 2: you should look at the entire body of work DJ. 196 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 2: For years, I would look at Georgia play and I'd 197 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 2: be like, man, who is this dude beating the bats 198 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 2: out of these dbs we talk about being the best, 199 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 2: there was always Lab mccakey, and when you watch he's like, man, 200 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 2: this dude catch his head. He he he can make 201 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 2: he has some wiggle. He's a great route runner. When 202 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: we talked to him, he has like some of that 203 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 2: swag about him and in the offense. And we talked 204 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 2: about it early in the week in the podcast where 205 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 2: we talked about the cyclical nature of pro football and 206 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 2: how the running game comes back, and so the running 207 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 2: game then creates opportunities on play action in these deep 208 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: things that you can do with deep sets. Well, now, 209 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 2: when you put a great route runner in an offense 210 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 2: that allows you to have some freedom to kind of 211 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 2: really dance and sit people up for explosive plays, well, 212 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 2: that's mcconkey's wielhouse. And when you talk about nineteen explosive 213 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: plays and him being on track to lead all rookies, 214 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: I can see that because it goes hand in hand. Typically, DJ, 215 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 2: if you're a dominant running team, your passing game is 216 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 2: a vertical explosive passing game and what the Charges have 217 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 2: subtly done without having brand names on the outside. They 218 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 2: become that team run it, run it, run it, throw deep, 219 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 2: and it's working for them. 220 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, he does a lot of it from the slot. 221 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 3: I mean he can, he can get away from people, 222 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 3: and it's to me, it's his transition stuff that he 223 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 3: makes happen after the Catch's going to leave me to 224 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 3: this next number that I want to get your thoughts on. 225 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 3: Brock Bauers leads all rookies with four hundred and one 226 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 3: yards after the catch. Yeah, so this is my theory 227 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 3: if we're going to live in it. We live in 228 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 3: a two high league, right, which is another reason why 229 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 3: we've been talking about running backs kind of coming back 230 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 3: in style a little bit. Are we and we all look, 231 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 3: we have both had ours top tight end. There's no 232 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 3: mystery there. He was clearly that guy. But going into 233 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 3: the future, with the way defenses are playing now, should 234 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 3: we put more emphasis on tight ends run after catch? 235 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 3: You know, we're talking about feel and positioning and and 236 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 3: those things. The tight end. Obviously it's nice if you 237 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 3: have an in line, why who can block? But it 238 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 3: feels like if those safety are going to be parked 239 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 3: back there. Not only you know, do we want to 240 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 3: be able to split the seam on casion. I want 241 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 3: guys that can run with the pall in their hands 242 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 3: and make things happen. 243 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think is essential. And what we're talking about 244 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 2: DJ right now, we're talking about the interior three when 245 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: we relate to the passing game, and it's not only 246 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 2: is the tight end, the slot receiver and the running back. Yep, 247 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 2: that's where your explosive plays are nail coming. 248 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 3: Maybe the Detroit Lions and those three spots. 249 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: Oh man, I had to watch JAMR. Gibbs just scoot 250 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: around like the hedgehog. Is the tight end splitting the seams, 251 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 2: the slot receiver on catch and run concepts, and then 252 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 2: it's also the running back on different things out of 253 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 2: the backfield, whether it's screens, whether it's swings, whether it's 254 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 2: option routes. The interior three working against the linebackers in safeties. 255 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 2: That's now the cheat code for the offense. And if 256 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 2: teams are going to live in that two high world 257 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 2: where they're trying to take away the explosive plays, cool, 258 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 2: We'll create our explosive plays in other ways and it's 259 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 2: to tight in being able to make plays down to 260 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 2: seam and run after catch, and then the inter you 261 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 2: guys also being able to do the same. 262 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 3: I'm looking at some of these top teams, you know. 263 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 3: So the teams are the best record in the NFL 264 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 3: right now, The Lions, the Chiefs, the Bills, the Eagles, 265 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 3: the Steelers, the Vikings, the Chargers, like those are the 266 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 3: top teams right now. And I bet if you went 267 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 3: through and we're to rank teams that with those three 268 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 3: spots in terms of running backs, tight end slot receivers, 269 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 3: they have at least two of the three that their 270 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 3: offense can kind of run through, Detroit being the most 271 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 3: obvious one with Amenross, Saint Brown, Laporto when he's out 272 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 3: there healthy, in Gibbs like that as a vicious three. 273 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 3: That's an interesting way to look at it. 274 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 2: You know. But I feel like it's coming back around 275 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 2: the other thing that we're soon going to see because 276 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 2: for every reaction, there's a reaction, and so the reaction 277 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 2: to offenses going spread was okay, on defense, we can 278 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: go with these lighter linebackers, these dbs, We're gonna play 279 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 2: nickel all the time and do that. Okay, offense said, 280 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 2: Oh okay, we counter that, We'll come and find a 281 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 2: way to create big plays and do that other stuff. 282 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 2: So then the defense, Oh, we'll park the safeties back. 283 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 2: You're not gonna have the deep ball. That counter is 284 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 2: we're gonna run the football. DJ, how long before defenses 285 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 2: are forced to change because they're getting gutted by the 286 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 2: running game. They're getting gutted by these tight ends and 287 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 2: slot receivers running down there. Doesn't change the scouting situation 288 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,479 Speaker 2: because before DJ, we started putting high grades on linebackers 289 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 2: that we never would put on Always find he's two ten, 290 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: we'll play with them. Think about j Okay, Jeremiah Willsue, 291 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 2: Core Moore and the impact that he's had for Cleveland, 292 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 2: which is substantial. But DJ, he was light. Remember we 293 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: talked about safety. Is he a linebacker. It's going to 294 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 2: have long term impact on how we view these other 295 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 2: positions because we talked about positionless defense for so long 296 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 2: and we still play that. When teams are really attacking 297 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 2: us with the running game and hitting us down. 298 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 3: To seams, yeah, oh, it's going to be an action 299 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 3: followed by a reaction. Here, I want to give you 300 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 3: a couple other second year player stats and then you 301 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 3: take whatever one of these interests you. But JSN, Jackson 302 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 3: Smith and jig but was quietly having a really good year. 303 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 3: He leads all second year guys sixty five catches, seven 304 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 3: hundred and seventy eight yards. He leads in both categories, 305 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 3: So he has taken off and kind of been what 306 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 3: we hoped he would be coming out of Ohio State. 307 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 3: Those two running backs you mentioned, Bijon's got eight hundred 308 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 3: and thirty seven yards, Gibbs has eight hundred. Bijons forced 309 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 3: thirty nine missed tackles. Gibbs has forced thirty four. Bijon's 310 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 3: caught forty nine balls. Gibbs has caught twenty four. So 311 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 3: I think it's interesting kind of where it is now. 312 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 3: And Gibbs is so dynamic, but I thought Bijeon was 313 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 3: a little more complete player, and just in terms of 314 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 3: the physicality that kind of shows up a little bit. 315 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 3: He's doing as much, actually doing more in the passing game. 316 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 3: They're both elite players, but I thought last year we 317 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 3: kind of left last year saying man like Gibbs should 318 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 3: have clearly been the maybe the number one guy, and 319 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 3: Bijean was behind him. I think that's kind of straightened 320 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 3: itself out a little bit. Both exceptional players and then 321 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 3: you know last charger nugget two y two we below 322 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 3: to seven sacks right now for the charters, which is 323 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 3: something again a theme that if you listen to us 324 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 3: in the spring, power rushers, power rushers, power rushers, Jared 325 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 3: Versun this year's class to below to in last year's class, 326 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 3: that's what this league is. That's what this league is 327 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 3: rewarding right now. It's guys that can get through you, 328 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 3: not necessarily around you. 329 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 2: Well, it's becoming one where the ball is out so 330 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 2: quick that the guys that are running around you you 331 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 2: got to run right through the middle of the chest 332 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 2: of the guy that is blocking you. And power rushers 333 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 2: not only give you the opportunity to get after the 334 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 2: pass with those board usting those things, they also have 335 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 2: an inate ability to pla the run. To hear the 336 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 2: story about Tully being super quiet and how Khalil Mack 337 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 2: talked about this dude never talked and we finally got 338 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 2: him to open up, and how he would sit at 339 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 2: his knee and listen and take some of the seeds 340 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 2: of greatness dj the natural mentorship that also happens is essential. 341 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 2: You think about two Y being able to play with 342 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: Khalil Mack, with Joey Bosa, the advantages of being able 343 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: to see them go to work every day. We've talked 344 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 2: about the committee situation. The committee situation isn't just about 345 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 2: throwing a bunch of people out the bullpen, but it's 346 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 2: having those guys being able to learn from one another. 347 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: Von Miller may not be the player that he once was, 348 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 2: but what's his impact on Greg Rousseau and Ed Oliver 349 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 2: and some of the other guys that are able to 350 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 2: watch him and listen to his past rush approach. Now, 351 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 2: more than ever, it's the collective. It's the depth the 352 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 2: talent of the people that you have in certain situations 353 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 2: that would allow your team to play at the championship level. 354 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know, it really is something we talk 355 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 3: about having somebody in every single room. If you could 356 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 3: have ideally one of those leaders, one of those mentors 357 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 3: in every single room, that would be huge. I just 358 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 3: looked it up, by the way, because you brought up 359 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 3: Russeau's name. Rousseau has fifty one pressures this year, which 360 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 3: is seventh best in the league. So, man, he's having 361 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 3: a heck of a year, someone that we both enjoyed 362 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 3: visiting with. When we're going through the draft process, Buck, 363 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 3: let's take a let's take a quick break. We'll come back. 364 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 3: We'll look at these teams picking at the top of 365 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 3: the draft and discuss who has the most work to 366 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 3: do right after this? All right, here we go, Buck, 367 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 3: Right now, your Jags would have the number one pick. 368 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 3: How about that? Followed by the Titans, the Browns, the Giants, 369 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 3: the Raiders, the Patriots. 370 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: The Jets. 371 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 3: So I thought we would look at this and we 372 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 3: can kind of go through it the first time, and 373 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 3: we'll say, let's go major. Let's go, let's go with 374 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 3: the designation of a major lift. Let's go with several pieces, 375 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 3: and then say let's go with close. You know, so 376 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 3: major lift. You know they need some pieces or they're 377 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 3: they're actually close. So let's start. Let's work from seven 378 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 3: down to one. The New York Jets, would you throw 379 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 3: them in a major lift? A couple pieces, you know, 380 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 3: several pieces are actually really close. 381 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 2: Major lift just because of the amount of confidence that 382 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 2: they had in an older bunch of guys will make 383 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 2: it where you need to blow the older guys out 384 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 2: and you got to reset it with younger guys. This 385 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 2: am intriguing young pieces on defense. This some intriguing young 386 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 2: pieces on offense. There some unprovens on the offensive line 387 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 2: that you got to figure out. But without a question, 388 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 2: when you talk about a forty plus year old quarterback, 389 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,959 Speaker 2: you bring over DeVante Adams who's older. You have Tyron 390 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 2: Smith and those other guys on the offensive line. You 391 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 2: got to get younger and better. How do you do 392 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 2: it all in one drafting and free agency? I have 393 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 2: no idea how they get it done, but it's one 394 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 2: of those things that you have to make sure that 395 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 2: you're able to do it all right. 396 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 3: I'll take the other side of this and hear me 397 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 3: out on this and see if you where you're at. 398 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 3: Remember we do the championship foundation. Yeah, and we talked 399 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 3: about the different pieces. If you look at it like, 400 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 3: let's start like we talked about having three quality offensive linemen. Well, 401 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 3: if you if you count Vera Tucker Fashanu is a 402 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 3: rookie first round pick with a lot of talent, and 403 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 3: Timman who's a solid young player, like those are three 404 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 3: first second year guys with a lot of talent. So 405 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 3: that would give you your three offensive lineman. You look on 406 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 3: the defensive side of the ball, they've got plenty of 407 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 3: guys up front, you know, when you're looking at the 408 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 3: impact players they have, with Quinn being a, you know, 409 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 3: an All Pro caliber player, Jermaine Johnson who's missed this 410 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 3: year but was excellent last year. He's, you know, a 411 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 3: potential blue level player, and Will McDonald's going to be 412 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 3: double digit sack guy. So you've got and then you 413 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 3: still have Hassan Redick at least for the time being. 414 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 3: But I think you've got the pieces there. Quinn see 415 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 3: Williams is a Pro Bowl level, you know, second level player, 416 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 3: and they've got Sauce and Reed depending on what they 417 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 3: do with DJ Reid in the offseason. But you've got 418 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 3: solid corns. 419 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 2: I think. 420 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 3: Really, to me, I will put I would say just 421 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 3: a couple of pieces because I'm they're the most important. 422 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 3: But I would say quarterback obviously needs to be fixed, 423 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 3: and then I would say, you got to hire the 424 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 3: right head coach. I feel like if they got the 425 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 3: right head coach and the right quarterback of these teams 426 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 3: up here in the top seven, I don't think there's 427 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 3: I don't think there's a bazillion holes they got to 428 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 3: go fill. 429 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 2: I think maybe because I say so far away, because 430 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 2: I think those are the hardest pieces define right right, 431 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 2: the right to leaders right, So you got the leader 432 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 2: of the team, and then you get the leader of 433 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 2: like the leader of the franchise and the head coach, 434 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: and the leader of the team, which would be the quarterback. Man, 435 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 2: it's been so hard to identify. And also maybe looking 436 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 2: ahead to the twenty twenty five class, which quarterback brings 437 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: you the promise that, okay, man, I can just hitch 438 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 2: them to the wagon and we're gonna figure out a 439 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 2: way to go. And can they take a reclamation project 440 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 2: and get it done? For every Sam Donald, they are 441 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 2: a bunch of other guys that never work out when 442 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 2: it comes to But you're right though, they do have 443 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 2: some intriguing young pieces. I just view it as far 444 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 2: away just because I think it's really hard to find 445 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 2: a head couch in the quarterback. 446 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, the big holes. How about the Patriots look more pieces. 447 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 2: I like that they're playing hard. I feel like they 448 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 2: found a quarterback in Drake May that you can build upon. 449 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 2: We talked about the Josh Allen impact in terms of 450 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 2: how Drake may can play. Maybe he has that Josh 451 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 2: Allen factor to him. No receivers don't ever tie in 452 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 2: like offensively, they're just so far behind the eight ball. 453 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 2: You got to commit a lot to build them up, 454 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 2: but a lot of pieces. But you have to be 455 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 2: excited about the work given what the quarterback is displayed. 456 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 3: Huge offseason ahead, huge. They need to get after it 457 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 3: in free agency and go get some blue level players. 458 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 3: I feel like they've tried to kind of spread their 459 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 3: resources around and just get guys to fill spots. They 460 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 3: need impact players, and then they turn around and get 461 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 3: impact player in the draft. But I mean, gosh, Drake 462 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 3: gives them a lot of hope and a lot of confidence. 463 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 3: That man. You look up and you know if they 464 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,479 Speaker 3: were to if they were to spend big money on 465 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 3: you know, t Higgins name has been out there. You 466 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 3: go get an offensive lineman and free agency, then you 467 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 3: come back to me, you double down, maybe get another 468 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 3: offensive lineman with the sixth pick where they're picking right now. 469 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 3: Then that can change a little bit. But I yeah, 470 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of there's a lot of 471 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 3: work to be done, but it's a big off season. 472 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 3: I would be optimistic, though, because it's like the opposite 473 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 3: of the Jets got the most important piece. Man Like, 474 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 3: I'd rather go shopping for five other things knowing I 475 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 3: have the quarterback than to than to have the five 476 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 3: other things and be looking for the quarterback. 477 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, because even if you think about it the other way, 478 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 2: right where you have all the other pieces, you're just 479 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 2: going to drop the game. Manage your type quarterback in there. 480 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 2: It's still not it's not certain that it's going to hit. 481 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: But when you have a franchise guy quarterback that you 482 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 2: can see really quickly has the talent to take your 483 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 2: team to the next level, it seems like it's just 484 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 2: easier to build around him and what you bring. What 485 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 2: you pointed out like a T. Higgins with a young 486 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 2: quarterback more important to have a veteran receiver. I don't 487 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 2: want both of my guys learning at the same time, 488 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: my number one receiver and my quarterback. I would rather 489 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 2: have someone that is savvy and already knows how to 490 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 2: go about their business. So Drake make and just trust 491 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 2: that I can fling it out there. He's going to 492 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 2: be there. Yeah. The Patriots have a very important offseason ahead, 493 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 2: but man, if they can get a playmaker or two. 494 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 2: It's going to make life easier for them with the quarterback. 495 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,719 Speaker 3: You go get that Penn State tight end and you 496 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 3: pair them up with T Higgins. Now this offense gets 497 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 3: kind of fun real quick. That would be hurt and hurt. 498 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 3: It would be fun. That would be fun. I think 499 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 3: this one is an easy one. The Raiders is a 500 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 3: major lift. I mean there's a lot to do on 501 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 3: that list. 502 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot to do, just starting on the offense. Man, 503 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 2: you have brought by Resuge, your number one offensive playmaker. 504 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 2: But outside of Bowers, what are you building on offensive line? 505 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 2: Needs to be reconstructing. No premium running back, no receiver. Yeah, 506 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 2: I mean you don't have anything quarterback you gotta figure out. 507 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot defensively, Yeah you got I 508 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 2: mean Christian Wilkins and Max Crosby and those guys. But 509 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 2: it's still lacking blue chip players in those marquee spots. 510 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 2: It's a heavy, heavy lift for the Raiders and probably 511 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 2: one they didn't expect. They probably thought they could kind 512 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 2: of grind it out, thug it out this year with 513 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 2: a team that kind of came back in tack. But 514 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 2: it's clear and apparent when the rest of the vision 515 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 2: is improving like they are. See the Charges, see the Broncos. 516 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 2: You got to be right up there with them when 517 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 2: you get left behind quickly. 518 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 3: Yep, Giants coming off right now, sending it two and eight. 519 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 2: Uh. It's major because the quarterback situation now that you've 520 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 2: made it, you know, you kind of made the situation 521 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 2: and where Daniel Jones has to be gone. You have 522 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 2: put so much pressure on yourself to find a quarterback 523 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 2: in this offseason. We've said this, you never want to 524 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 2: go to the grocery store when you're hungry. You're more 525 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 2: likely to bring back a bunch of stuff that you 526 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 2: can look in the pantry like why do I have 527 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 2: all of this stuff? Well, now they're going to have 528 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 2: to talk to themselves into finding a young quarterback that 529 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 2: can get it done. And when we look at the 530 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 2: free agent market, like who's the best free agent that 531 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 2: could beat out be out there. We've talked about the 532 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 2: quarterback class not being an elite quarterback class. The Giants 533 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 2: are now painted themselves into a corner where they have 534 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 2: to get a quarterback when everyone in the football world 535 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 2: knows there may not be a sure thing your quarterback 536 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 2: in this draft Yeah. 537 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 3: The interesting thing about the Giants is they have I mean, 538 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 3: you got a big time young talent and neighbors on 539 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 3: the outside. Tyrone Tracy has been fun to watch this year. 540 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 3: In the backfield, obviously nice to have Saquon, but defensively, 541 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 3: they got some real dudes led by Dexter up front, 542 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 3: and they they got three interesting guys up in that 543 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 3: front with Thibodeau and Burns to go along with big Decks. 544 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 3: So's there's some pieces there. I don't think they're as 545 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 3: big a lift as some of these other teams in here. 546 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 3: But again it's the quarterback, which as we're going through 547 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 3: these teams, I think it's apparent and we'll get all 548 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 3: the way up to your Jags at number one. But 549 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 3: I don't know if we would have thought this, but 550 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 3: the Patriots might be the most enviable position because they're 551 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 3: going to have a top ten pick and they have 552 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 3: the best quarterback situation in terms of the talent and 553 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 3: the cost. Drake may cost them nothing on the books 554 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 3: right now, and they can get good quarterback play out 555 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 3: of him. We've seen that already, so they would be 556 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 3: in the most enviable position. The team next that we're 557 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 3: going to go over. Might be you could make a 558 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 3: case in the most precarious situation that's Cleveland Browns. 559 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough, right, it's tough for the Browns. 560 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 3: Would you tear it down? Would you like, do you 561 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 3: trade Miles Garrett and say let's let's just take this 562 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 3: thing down to the studs. 563 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 2: Well, I don't like trading away great players to start 564 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 2: it all over. So I would have some guys that 565 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 2: are sacred cows. He's a sacred cow. Anybody else besides him, 566 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 2: I'm cool. Like, if we need to get and move 567 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 2: on from Denzel Ward, if we need to move on 568 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 2: from some of the other players, yes I would keep him. 569 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 2: But yeah, I think there's a reset. And the reason 570 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 2: why DJ like, for whatever reason, we thought this defense 571 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 2: was still gonna be able to carry them no matter 572 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 2: what the offense did, the defense took a step back. 573 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 2: We got to examine it. We got to make the 574 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 2: quarterback situation. I think Sean Payton has given you a 575 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 2: blueprint for how to deal with the quarterback. Cut your losses, 576 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 2: move on, take your medicine next year, and find a 577 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 2: young quarterback that you can build upon. To me, that's 578 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 2: the way that you have to do it, and you 579 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 2: have to rebuild it. With that in mind, I can't 580 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 2: imagine a situation where Deshaun Watson comes back as a quarterback. 581 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 2: You have to rebuild it. Still. 582 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 3: You might come back, he just might not be starting. 583 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 2: I don't think you can even bring him back DJ. 584 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 3: I don't know how financially you're going to eat. He's 585 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,959 Speaker 3: a lot to look. The Bronco ate that with. They 586 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 3: ate a lot with Russell Wilson. I mean, okay, so 587 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 3: if you bring him back, did just just think about 588 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 3: this energy. 589 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 2: This is fully guaranteed Russ. That was not fully guaranteed money. 590 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 2: It's not, but we're gonna bring him back it okay, 591 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 2: your charges have played have played the Browns right, energy, 592 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 2: the energy around the program right. 593 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 3: So, and that was with there was a I was 594 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 3: to take that back. They had just come off of 595 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 3: a win. Jamis had taken over and there was a 596 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 3: little bit of energy. But after about the fifth you know, 597 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 3: almost interception that he threw in that game, it dissipated quickly. 598 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 2: I just think you have to I just think you look, 599 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 2: I think you have to charge it to the game. 600 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 2: You just have to kind of like, look, man, take 601 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 2: your cast stro Now just got to close your notes 602 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 2: and and do it. Because if you're able to bring 603 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 2: in a young quarterback, that gives you some hope the 604 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,719 Speaker 2: rest of the pieces of play better. I'm convinced that 605 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 2: the rest of the pieces will play better if the 606 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 2: energy is different around the building and the other way 607 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 2: you energize the buildings. You got to bring in a 608 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 2: young stud, bring in a young stud and find a 609 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 2: way to get it down. And if you're like at 610 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 2: number three, I mean we can talk about the quarterback. 611 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 2: You just got to bring a young stud in and 612 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 2: just kind of go with it. 613 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 3: So, fuck, how do you do this? I'm looking at 614 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 3: this right now. If you if you cut, if you 615 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 3: cut to Sean right. 616 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 2: It's nine million right after June. 617 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 3: One, it would cost you seventy two million and twenty five, okay, 618 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 3: and they'd absorb a one hundred million dollars hit in 619 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 3: twenty six. You can't. 620 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 2: How do you do that? 621 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 3: How do you build your roster? It's a nightmare there, 622 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 3: It's it's an absolute nightmare. 623 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 2: How do you bring him back though? 624 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: Like there's nothing to build out your roster? How do 625 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: you fell out a team? How do we bring him 626 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: back though? There's nothing. There's nothing on tape. This is hey, 627 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: you know what new scheme? Couple of tweaks. We're right back, 628 00:29:58,920 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: DJ has been three. 629 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 3: Well you want if you want. The good news is 630 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 3: if you want to cut him before June first, uh 631 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,239 Speaker 3: in twenty five, it only costs you one hundred and 632 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 3: seventy two million dollars against the cap. So, I mean, 633 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 3: that's no problem. Just one hundred and seventy two million 634 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 3: in dead cap. They are screwed. Like you try, I'm 635 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 3: trying to find hope for all these teams and present 636 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 3: you a scenario. There is no there is no good 637 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 3: situation there. I don't know how they get out of this. 638 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 2: Okay, want you all right? I mean, have you put 639 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 2: on your gentlemen j Okay? So we bringing back? How 640 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 2: to build a team? Bringing back you're bringing back? How 641 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 2: do we build out the team? 642 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 3: Like, how can I'm going to play a rookie. I'm 643 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 3: drafting a rookie that costs me next to nothing, and 644 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 3: I'm we just go roun with him. 645 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 2: We're gonna put him in there. 646 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 3: That's why, That's why I told you Buck, this is 647 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 3: not what anybody wants to hear in Cleveland, I'm sorry. 648 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,719 Speaker 3: I know we've done this before. We tried to make 649 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 3: it work with this group that we had. We thought 650 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 3: we were close. We took the big swing. It didn't work. 651 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 3: Every hey for sale sign everybody, everybody's for sale. Everybody's 652 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 3: for sale, and I'm a I'm stockpiling. I don't love 653 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 3: this quarterback class this year. I haven't done anything on 654 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 3: the following group. But I just give me as many 655 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 3: lottery tickets going into the future as I can possibly get. 656 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 3: Give me as I want, as many picks as I 657 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 3: can get. Okay, we're gonna be picking up there ourselves 658 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 3: for the next two years, so now we'll get a 659 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 3: couple more. 660 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 2: This is Sam Hinky. Trust the process. We go trust 661 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 2: the process. With the Browns, We're just gonna take it. 662 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 2: How we How else are you going to get through 663 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 2: those You do it, We're gonna be bad for a 664 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 2: couple of years and and bring it back and just 665 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 2: try and figure out a way to do it. 666 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 3: I mean, he get the analytics department with the scouts 667 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 3: and say, hey, boys, we're gonna get some under after 668 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 3: free agentsy, They're gonna have to have to make it work. 669 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 2: We have to get rid of Myles get we can't 670 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 2: have one sacred cat. We can't. 671 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 3: What's the point of having them. We're not winning anything. 672 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 2: We're gonna have somebody to rest the passes, and we're 673 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 2: just going to have anything. We're just gonna start. We're 674 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 2: gonna start anew peece buck two to three words. Embrace 675 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 2: the suck. Just embrace it. 676 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 3: Pick your arms around it, put your arms round it, 677 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 3: give it a big hug. Embrace the suck for a 678 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 3: couple of years, and then we're gonna get it turned around. 679 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 3: It's like baseball, man, It's just what it is. 680 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 2: What it is. 681 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 3: Titans picking at two right now with a two and 682 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 3: eight record. 683 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 2: Need a quarterback, I mean, so hard quarterback thing just 684 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 2: clouds me. 685 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 3: DJ I don't know who they stood. Young players are 686 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 3: you know? I mean Jeffers Simmons technically not young. A 687 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 3: big boy from from Texas playing next home, has played 688 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 3: really well this year. Yeah, I mean it seems like 689 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 3: a major I mean, look, if you did Ridley, I 690 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 3: guess Ridley's not young, but he's he's not young, but 691 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 3: he's on the contract. He's got to be there for 692 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 3: at least two more. 693 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 2: It seems it seems kind of major, because you don't 694 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 2: they don't have an identity yet. And we're gonna take 695 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 2: a quarterback. We take a quarterback there, What what does 696 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 2: that do for them? They don't have playmakers around them. Defensively, 697 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 2: they play hard, they've done it, but it still seems 698 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 2: like it feels like an old defense. You know. I 699 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 2: feel like there's it's a major, it's a major. You 700 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 2: just save it. 701 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 3: Let me just save it. It's a major. Left like 702 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 3: a major. It seems like a major major left. Yeah, 703 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 3: we don't need to go any further on that. 704 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 2: Jaggs. Okay, I'm gonna say this, despite what the owner 705 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 2: said about this being the best team, I see good, 706 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 2: not great all over, and you put them in. 707 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 3: That middle class just they need a few pieces. 708 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 2: I mean a few, but like very essential pieces. I 709 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 2: think you have to flip the offensive line. The quarterback 710 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 2: is there, the number one wide receiver is there. You 711 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 2: got two pass rushes and Trayvon and Josh eins Allen. 712 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 3: Pretty good place to start when you're comparing them to 713 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 3: these other teams we've been talking about. 714 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, if you you gotta, you got a cornerback 715 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 2: that you paid in Tyson Campbell. I still say I 716 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 2: don't like paying big money for a right corner, particularly, 717 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 2: I would rather have a left corner. But yeah, DJ, 718 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 2: there's some things to do. But you got to be 719 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 2: when I say good, not great, I don't know of 720 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 2: how many of those guys that we listed out are 721 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 2: blue players. And that's problematic. You're paying you're paying elite 722 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 2: premium money for guys that may not be blue players. 723 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 2: So we're kind of stuck into whatever the draft has 724 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 2: to be a draft deal. 725 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna give you my tip, Like if 726 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 3: you say, who do you want to be, and these 727 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 3: teams that we just went over because we just had 728 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 3: that discussion, I'm going to give you my top three. 729 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 3: Tell me if you're any different. The number one team 730 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 3: I'd like to be is surprisingly New England. I would 731 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 3: I would like to be New England. I've got I've 732 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 3: got the quarterback, he costs me nothing and I've got 733 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 3: money to spend, and that's why i'd want to be. 734 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 3: Number two would be your Jags. I think you do 735 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 3: have some good players. We can debate, we can debate 736 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 3: whether or not you know how elite they are. But 737 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 3: and with Trevor, I still hold out, hope you get 738 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 3: the right fit there that with a voice that Trevor 739 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 3: you know, next with. They would be number two on 740 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 3: this list of seven teams. And I'd put the Jets 741 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,720 Speaker 3: at number three just because obviously they need the biggest 742 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 3: piece with the quarterback and the head coach. But I 743 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 3: think there's a lot of other good players there. So 744 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 3: that would be one. New England would be one, Jacksonville two, 745 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 3: The Jets would be three. Who I'd want to be 746 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 3: picking in the top seven. 747 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 2: Here interesting about the Jets. Here's what I would say 748 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 2: about the Jets. I think a tough guy could fix 749 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 2: the Jets. I think a guy who came in there 750 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 2: and talked about, hey, we're going to play a certain way, 751 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 2: we're going to have a physical team. I believe they 752 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 2: could be fixed quickly. I don't think the Jets have 753 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 2: a true identity. I think someone that could come in 754 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 2: and define who we are and what we're going to 755 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 2: be makes the Jets an easier program to flip around 756 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 2: the Patriots. It's about opportunity to upgrade the pieces. You 757 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 2: got a bunch of money, you have picks, but because 758 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 2: you got the quarterback, it can be done. You're just 759 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 2: simple thing of being able to throw T Higgins on 760 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 2: that team, giving them an established playmate on the outside. 761 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,879 Speaker 2: They play hard, they play tough defensively, they play look, 762 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 2: they get after it on defense. They're tough enough to 763 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 2: be able to do it. The Jags, to me, are 764 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 2: a bit of a mystery because I think it depends 765 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 2: on who's running everything. When it comes down to it. 766 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 2: If they running back with the same gym and coach, 767 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 2: then you've got to convince a team that is three 768 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 2: and fourteen that they can change without really changing all 769 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 2: of the stuff. That can be like a harder thing 770 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 2: to do. But there are some pieces there. They got 771 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 2: to play better, so they got to play like, look, 772 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 2: you're paying big money, they got to play like big 773 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:36,280 Speaker 2: money players. 774 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 3: The team that I would not want to be in 775 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 3: this entire list is Cleveland Browns. I just, I mean, 776 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 3: just trying to figure out that whole situation is going 777 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 3: to be not fun, not fun. 778 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 2: I just know how you try them back out there. 779 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 2: I just know how. 780 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 3: You don't know how you do anything. I don't know 781 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 3: how you do anything there, to be honest. So anyways, 782 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 3: that's an interesting discussion. There buck any anything you want 783 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 3: to jump into before we get out of here. No, 784 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 3: that was a fundled discussion. That good little exercise. Yeah, 785 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 3: fun exercise. We love doing that on here. I hope 786 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 3: you guys have enjoyed this one. We'll be back again 787 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 3: next week. Three episodes. Happy early Thanksgiving to everybody. Hope 788 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 3: you enjoy your weekend of football and we'll see you 789 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 3: next week.