WEBVTT - Ep 115: Yard Act's James Smith

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to trounce meet Loaf, and we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>fucking try and say years and Years down. And it

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<v Speaker 1>was grotesque the way we did it in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello and welcome to Midnight Chat, a podcast of casual

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<v Speaker 2>interviews with leading musicians, published weekly at midnight to suit

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<v Speaker 2>these informal and often under researched conversations. This week's episode

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<v Speaker 2>is hosted by me Stuart Stubbs, editor of Loud and

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<v Speaker 2>Quiet magazine. On tonight's episode of the podcast, I'm joined

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<v Speaker 2>by James Smith, the singer of Leeds based band Yard Act,

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<v Speaker 2>who in January of this year, twenty twenty two, went

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<v Speaker 2>toe to toe in a chart battle for number one

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<v Speaker 2>against Years and Years spoiler alert. They didn't quite do it,

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<v Speaker 2>but they charted at number two. And with James on

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<v Speaker 2>this episode, I'm going to get into the margins and

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<v Speaker 2>just how close the race was. The album that's always

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<v Speaker 2>challenging for that top spot is called The Overload, and

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<v Speaker 2>if you haven't listened to it yet, what are you

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<v Speaker 2>playing at? You should not only check out the record,

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<v Speaker 2>but I would recommend starting with their videos. It's something

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<v Speaker 2>that we also talk about on this podcast. They're all

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<v Speaker 2>extremely well put together, very funny, and for me, are

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<v Speaker 2>what yard Acts are all about. It's a good symbol

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<v Speaker 2>of where this band's at and how they're approaching things.

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<v Speaker 2>They're certainly having a laugh with it, which perhaps comes

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<v Speaker 2>down to the members of the band all being in

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<v Speaker 2>various hindie bands over the years, including Hookworms, Menace Beach

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<v Speaker 2>and in James's case, a band called Post War Glamour Girls.

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<v Speaker 2>All great bands in their own right, but Yard Act

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be the one that has connected with people.

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<v Speaker 2>They are at the time of recording this the most

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<v Speaker 2>booked band of the summer. They're playing almost every festival

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<v Speaker 2>you can imagine, so maybe one that you're heading to yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>so there's plenty of opportunity to see them. I have

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<v Speaker 2>to give a special thanks on this episode to the

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<v Speaker 2>Bedford Tavern, the pub in Finsbury Park. They opened their

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<v Speaker 2>doors early for James and I to go and sit

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<v Speaker 2>in their empty pub to record this episode, So thank

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<v Speaker 2>you to the people at the Bedford Tavern. This was

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<v Speaker 2>recorded back in April. This conversation the band had just

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<v Speaker 2>returned from America, where they've been for the very first time,

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<v Speaker 2>and they'd been storming south By Southwest literally a few

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<v Speaker 2>days before we spoke, and that also just played the

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Fallon Show, which is where we will pick up

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation. If you do enjoy this episode and are

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<v Speaker 2>interested in helping us make some more episodes of the podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>then there's a link in the show notes to supporting

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<v Speaker 2>us with a donation of your choosing. It can be

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<v Speaker 2>amount big or small. It's very much appreciated. It helps

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<v Speaker 2>us carry on making this podcast. We've had a long

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<v Speaker 2>break between the last series and this new one that

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<v Speaker 2>starts tonight, ultimately because we've been trying to work out

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<v Speaker 2>how to afford it essentially, so any help from our

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<v Speaker 2>listeners is very much appreciated. Thank you very much to James.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a pleasure to talk to and I'm very

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<v Speaker 2>pleased to see a band like Yard Act signing to

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<v Speaker 2>a major record label and putting that money to some

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<v Speaker 2>good use and having a good time. Thank you for listening.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be back next week with a new episode of

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. First.

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<v Speaker 2>Up here is James Smith of Yard Act on Midnight Chats.

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<v Speaker 2>You've just been to America. Yeah, it looked good on

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<v Speaker 2>your Instagram feed. I was following south By Southwest stuff

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<v Speaker 2>and you did Fallon, Fallon?

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<v Speaker 1>How was that great? Was it?

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<v Speaker 2>Are they recording that show with a live audience again?

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<v Speaker 1>Now? Yeah, so we got to go into thirty rock

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<v Speaker 1>and do that. I think they're still doing sessions from home,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I think like wolf allis with the guests night

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<v Speaker 1>before but they just sent him like a pre record.

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<v Speaker 1>But like to be able to go in the studio

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<v Speaker 1>was it was wicked and you know felt like quite proper.

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<v Speaker 2>So who was there? Who were the who were like

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<v Speaker 2>the guests on the show when you were there?

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<v Speaker 1>Ethan Hark Okay, yeah, is it just him? It's just

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<v Speaker 1>just him in a comedian called Jim Jefferies, who I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't and I'm not really aware of. But no, he's Australian.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a shame because because of the because they've only

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<v Speaker 1>just gone back in COVID was pretty the rules were

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<v Speaker 1>pretty strict, so there was kind of no mingling. I

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<v Speaker 1>went to the like I basically spent the day walking

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<v Speaker 1>past Questlov's door and it was just locked.

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<v Speaker 2>Just trying to just hoping you would time it when

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<v Speaker 2>he was coming out and.

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<v Speaker 1>Be like, hey, coming in don't worry about the rules.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm questaler if I can do what I want? And

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<v Speaker 1>then and then yeah, about and they start taping at

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<v Speaker 1>like half four or five o'clock about sort of just

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<v Speaker 1>gone for his door is just a jar as I

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<v Speaker 1>went to the toilet, and I was like, the question

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<v Speaker 1>was in there, but you couldn't get him. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I would have knocked on, but you know, there's it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't the vibe. And but Fallon came to see us

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<v Speaker 1>before and after we played, and I didn't dare look up.

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<v Speaker 1>But when we because like so the step where we

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<v Speaker 1>are on the stage, if you're facing out, the audience

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<v Speaker 1>is directly in front of you, but there's like a

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<v Speaker 1>sea of cameras in front of the audience, so they

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<v Speaker 1>can't really watch what you're doing, which is weird, right, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>But then to the right is where Fallon sits with

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<v Speaker 1>his desk and his interview. So fro into the left

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<v Speaker 1>is where the Roots house band is. Yea, And like

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't, I did not dare look up and see

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<v Speaker 1>what the Roots we're doing. Ryan Ryan said. He raised

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<v Speaker 1>his head and and Tarik and Questlove were just like

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<v Speaker 1>non in their heads to the overload, So I'll take that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take Ryan's word.

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<v Speaker 2>Were you not tempted to just eyeball the routes go

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<v Speaker 2>the opposite way? Yeah, sing directly at.

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<v Speaker 1>Them maybe, yeah, I mean it's down down most people

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<v Speaker 1>I would. But one of the is the roots.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's pretty They're.

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<v Speaker 1>A big band for me growing up. You know, were

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<v Speaker 1>you tipping point and just being like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Were you? Were you nervous doing it?

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<v Speaker 1>It's all right, but it's the most nervous I've ever been.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that the gravitas of the situation. I was

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<v Speaker 1>aware of that, And for the most part with this band,

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't been that bothered, which I think has worked

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<v Speaker 1>in our favor, like genuinely, like I've been quite comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>with whatever. And then even when we did, like when

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<v Speaker 1>you do big things and you're like this could you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this could really do something good for us and it'd

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<v Speaker 1>be really handy if it did, like Jules Holland and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But with Jules Holland, it was like it wasn't live.

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<v Speaker 1>We were shooting it at the Bruin now, which we

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<v Speaker 1>know that room inside out. You know, the crew were dead,

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<v Speaker 1>chilled out. We had all day to do it and

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<v Speaker 1>there was no audience, so it didn't feel like the

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<v Speaker 1>pressure wasn't the same. We knew we had to get

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<v Speaker 1>it right. We knew that it was going on Jules

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<v Speaker 1>Holland and it was really important to us that we

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<v Speaker 1>delivered something we were really proud of. But falling it

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<v Speaker 1>was like one take, right, yeah, but they go, you

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<v Speaker 1>can have a second if you want, but if you

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<v Speaker 1>do need to redo it, everyone's going to cheer, the

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<v Speaker 1>roots are going to play you out, and then just

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<v Speaker 1>don't leave the stage and then we'll just do a

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<v Speaker 1>second take and Jimmy'll introduce you again and it's like

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<v Speaker 1>can you imagine, Like he was like, yeah, whatever you need,

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<v Speaker 1>like you can do free if you really need to.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like but like, you know, we went out,

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<v Speaker 1>we did it. It was like we're kind of sat

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<v Speaker 1>waiting all day and then we went out and Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>Foulon and Questlove are kind of bantering with the audience

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<v Speaker 1>off hammer to keep them sort of entertained whilst the

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<v Speaker 1>camera is set up. And then like and then the

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<v Speaker 1>production runners like or like you know, like the directors like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we're ready to shoot yard acts now. So so then

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy goes back to his desk and the lights go

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<v Speaker 1>down on the record and he does his hold on

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<v Speaker 1>the record, you know, us TV debut performing the title

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<v Speaker 1>track to their debut album, The Overload, Give It Up,

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<v Speaker 1>four Yard Acts, and then it's like and then it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like you see the red light going on, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, all right, now we do it, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we just blasted through it. And then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy falling like runs over and he's like jumping up

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<v Speaker 1>and down, shaking your hands, go yes, yes, yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the roots all of a sudden kicking and he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>good night, and then it's like and then it stops,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like, okay, do we need to go again?

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<v Speaker 1>It might imagine if you said, yeah, like I've lived

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<v Speaker 1>on the big ending and it's a fake ending the

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<v Speaker 1>second time would be really depressing unless you'd absolutely cocked

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<v Speaker 1>it up massively, definitely wouldn't have gone again.

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<v Speaker 2>It looked good. I've watched it. It looked it looked

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, I'm guessing you were you were happy

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<v Speaker 2>with it. Yeah, yeah, that's great. Yeah, what's fanon?

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<v Speaker 1>Like? I mean, I guess you like we met in

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<v Speaker 1>pre and post show. He's hyped up. I've heard he's

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<v Speaker 1>always like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I was listening to a podcast recently, I can't remember

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<v Speaker 2>what it was on, but someone was saying, how he

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<v Speaker 2>is that guy, Like, yeah, it's not an act, he

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<v Speaker 2>is that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it seemed since there was as it could

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<v Speaker 1>have been. Within a few minutes we spent with him

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<v Speaker 1>and we met his one of his managers and they

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<v Speaker 1>and they were basically just like he's a massive, massive

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<v Speaker 1>fan of music, like he has a big hand in

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<v Speaker 1>choosing the act. And yeah, he's genuinely invested in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the music on the show, and he and he

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<v Speaker 1>loves bands, like you know, that's his thing. Like I know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's you know, I mean he gets great guests on

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<v Speaker 1>his show, you know, included exactly and and so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's nice to know that it's not like a

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<v Speaker 1>segment that it's like we put this in for a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of variety, and he's kind of just falsifying it,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, and we were kind of watching from

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<v Speaker 1>the from the in our dressing room. They're like, show

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<v Speaker 1>you the TV and he like he was like hyping

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<v Speaker 1>it up, like he must do that for every arts.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a regular watch with the show. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>get access to it easy, but I felt great like

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<v Speaker 1>having him like making an audience get whipped up for

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<v Speaker 1>what you're doing. It's nice. It's a nice thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember, God, how many years ago would this have been?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I'm going to say eight. It might not be eight,

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<v Speaker 2>could be, it could be any time. But I remember

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<v Speaker 2>when Eagles, Yes, that.

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<v Speaker 1>Was a big moment.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>It was proud.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like holy ship, it was like it was

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<v Speaker 2>really cool. It was and yeah, yeah, you know, you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, that's Eagles, like on let that's mad.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know do you know those guys from Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know we're Goldie and Tom Kelly pretty well.

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<v Speaker 1>I ain't seen him since before the pandam I saw

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Kelly and he works in a bar in Leed's

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<v Speaker 1>Call works by swim in there not long ago, and

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<v Speaker 1>yeah we are, Yeah, we're mates with different members of

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<v Speaker 1>them and know them from around about.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember that moment and being like it happens

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<v Speaker 2>every now and then when someone like you know a

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<v Speaker 2>British band that you know or have followed, or that

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<v Speaker 2>are local to you go and do something huge in

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<v Speaker 2>the States, Like it's just such a like kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a moment and kind of like Yard act on Fan

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<v Speaker 2>and felt a bit like that's what it reminded me of.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's because of the Leed's connection as well, but

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<v Speaker 2>just from what you.

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<v Speaker 1>Were doing from a Leed's perspective when Eagles were on it,

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<v Speaker 1>it really did feel like that. There was you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the homesound Pride comes out of nowhere, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>just like, God, that's massive. That's like, that's not just

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<v Speaker 1>like this band's doing pretty good, like it's good, it's

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<v Speaker 1>good to see that. Well, it was like that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there was like Pictures of Time with Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Murray tattoo, Yeah, Bill Murray, And it was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's when it's just like when it's I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it is when it's like just normal people and

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<v Speaker 1>the underdogs in it. It's not the kind of I

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<v Speaker 1>think I've put ourselves in the same category, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's not the kind of banuit expect to see

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<v Speaker 1>on American telling. Yeah, and it's so it's you root

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<v Speaker 1>for that, whether you you know, you root for that

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, yeah, and it's the shame Eagles kind of

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<v Speaker 1>just disappeared, because great.

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<v Speaker 2>How have you found like the Americans taken to like

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<v Speaker 2>the British nature of you guys. And I mean, firstly,

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<v Speaker 2>like when you did the fan and thing, did you

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<v Speaker 2>were you tracking or were you told about the reaction?

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<v Speaker 2>Like at the time, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really I don't I don't really check.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we had probably best not to check.

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<v Speaker 1>No. I definitely wouldn't google. I wouldn't like to Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>search our name and find out what the general have

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<v Speaker 1>you ever done that? I used to do it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>as we started to get more popular, I stopped doing

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<v Speaker 1>it because it's once you start getting popular, that's when

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<v Speaker 1>people start to hate you start to read something about yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like, Jesus, this person said they want to

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<v Speaker 1>deck my lights out, And it's like I'm rubbing someone

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<v Speaker 1>up the wrong way enough for them to say that

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter puts you on that slight scary thing. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm aware that people are aware of me, that who

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<v Speaker 1>you are. Yeah. Yeah, and then and they actively have

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<v Speaker 1>an impression of me that that they're sieving enough on

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet to say something violent about And like.

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<v Speaker 2>Although I'd say that most Twitter is so heightened, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, don't actually probably haven't done much, you haven't done

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<v Speaker 1>much together. Yeah, But I just think on general, you're

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<v Speaker 1>in the impression of people all in, you know, on

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<v Speaker 1>the internet, where whether it's typed or whether it's a

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<v Speaker 1>clip or whatever, you get like you and if you

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<v Speaker 1>see that pushing your face over and over again, as

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<v Speaker 1>I know that, yeah, that has been if you're not

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<v Speaker 1>into it, I'm aware that I'm I could be the

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<v Speaker 1>most irritating, frustrating face mug on your fucking timeline over

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<v Speaker 1>and over again. And and I'm sorry for that, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's the way it is, like yeah, but yees, So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't do that now, and I don't really even

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<v Speaker 1>read nice comments that are underneath our own posts, like

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<v Speaker 1>I get alerts for them, and I'm kind of not

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm not grateful for them, but it is it's

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<v Speaker 1>well to be honest, I wouldn't have any time in

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<v Speaker 1>the days to no, it's just no, and it's and

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<v Speaker 1>it is. You don't. I don't need my ego massage

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<v Speaker 1>in and and if I did, i'd start reading the

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<v Speaker 1>negative stuff as well to keep me in check. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think I can probably keep myself in check just

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<v Speaker 1>by not looking at it at all.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have a because this sort of thing is

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<v Speaker 2>my idea of hell, because I'm really thin skinned, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And it would only take one back. It wouldn't matter

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<v Speaker 2>how many good ones, it's only the bad one that

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<v Speaker 2>you remember. Are you are you? Are you quite a

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<v Speaker 2>thick skinned car even though you don't want to read

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, like your monkey brain instantly reacts out of anger

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<v Speaker 1>and upset like that. That and that lasts as long

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<v Speaker 1>as that's like a primitive trigger. If someone says anything

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<v Speaker 1>negative about you, you don't go, yeah, that's true, Like

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<v Speaker 1>you go what? But then I do think I'm quite

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<v Speaker 1>good at rationalizing After that, I mainly I mainly put

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<v Speaker 1>myself in a situation where I've had those same thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>and feelings on other bands. Not that I go on

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet and say it, but I probably did when

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<v Speaker 1>I was younger, like when you know the wild West

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<v Speaker 1>of Facebook. In my early twenties, I probably had a

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<v Speaker 1>million opinions on bands that I thought with shit or

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<v Speaker 1>this is the best thing you'll ever hear, and like

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of get past that and you get more

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable and so I accept that for everyone's opinion on

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<v Speaker 1>it and the superlifs they use, and you know, positive

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<v Speaker 1>or negative to describe how they think about as that

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<v Speaker 1>is heightened and it just passes anyway, So you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of learn to cope with it. I mean, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's fine. Everyone has an opinion on music, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just what it isn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>When I was on my way here, I thought, why

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<v Speaker 2>are we going to start this? Well, where shall we

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<v Speaker 2>start talking? Because there's a lot has happened. You have

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<v Speaker 2>a big thing, I guess was the number one race?

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<v Speaker 2>Which that looked really fun?

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<v Speaker 1>It was?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it really fun or was it really stressful?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was stressful for Pete one man career

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<v Speaker 1>to get to like four places in a day.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that your Tom manager?

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<v Speaker 1>He was, but now his day's expanded. He's six feet No,

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<v Speaker 1>he's like he's he's his first role as as sound engineer.

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<v Speaker 1>In the first sort of six months to a year

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<v Speaker 1>of playing live, he was also a driver and tour

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<v Speaker 1>manager because that was what the budget allowed. Now we've

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<v Speaker 1>expanded and we now have our friend Jilly as tour manager.

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<v Speaker 1>And sharing the driving and then you know, hopefully by

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the year we'll have a third crew

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<v Speaker 1>member because it's not in fast and you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's also used to be able to give our mates work.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the we've kept it in the family so far,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's that's important to us, and it's it's working

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<v Speaker 1>and that's nice and it keeps us grounded having those

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<v Speaker 1>people around as well. I guess it was a proper

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<v Speaker 1>take away off Pete.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, poor Pte. Yeah, poor p it was. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a proper campaign. You did like you went free.

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<v Speaker 2>It was great. It was like impressive. It was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna we're going to go for this. Yeah. And

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<v Speaker 2>it was narrow. Did you know how narrow was.

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<v Speaker 1>It at the end? In the end it was about

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<v Speaker 1>it was like two thousand sales in the end.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not many, right or is it? I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess in the grand scheme things it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, so we did. We did seventeen and

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<v Speaker 1>a half thousand sales in the end in the first week,

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<v Speaker 1>which compared to what things used to shift is pittance.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is and you know, we're completely aware that

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<v Speaker 1>really it's all smoke and mirrors, like, yeah, of course

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<v Speaker 1>nothing changes after it. Really, I mean, it shifts perception

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<v Speaker 1>and that's the main reason we did it, and and

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<v Speaker 1>it would have shifted perception a lot more had it

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<v Speaker 1>been a number one, I think, but we're aware that

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't really matter. And now you know, sales are

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<v Speaker 1>never going to be eye popping like they used to be.

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<v Speaker 1>And like people try and do it with streams now

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like a billion streams and it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not a billion people have actively listened to

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<v Speaker 1>that sign, is it. It's like giant playlists and gyms

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff. Yeah, but you know when you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of become part of like a cultural conversation

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<v Speaker 1>or not. And I think that week, for that week

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<v Speaker 1>at least, I think it was like we just we

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<v Speaker 1>just stared the music industry head on and went, look,

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<v Speaker 1>we're on a major label. We've never been in this

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<v Speaker 1>position before. We're not going to be cool than now

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<v Speaker 1>and just go or whatever. We don't care if we

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<v Speaker 1>land at number six, we're going to trounce meat load

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<v Speaker 1>and we're going to try and say years and years

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<v Speaker 1>now and it was grotesque the way we did it

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of ways, but it was also like,

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<v Speaker 1>why not say something happens because it's.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't get any kickback on that, though, did you not?

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<v Speaker 1>Really? No, No, I don't know we didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>At all, because I feel like we've kind of got

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<v Speaker 2>to a point. I mean I'm talking maybe I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>talking about my own opinion as I've got older, but

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like indie fans quote unquote have now got

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<v Speaker 2>to a point where, because those numbers aren't what they

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<v Speaker 2>used to be, everyone's on their ass and it's hard,

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<v Speaker 2>like everything like in music is hard that now people

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<v Speaker 2>are like, you know, if uggs are going to give

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<v Speaker 2>you a thousand pounds to say you like that shoes

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever it is. I feel like we've all got

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<v Speaker 2>to a point where like that's fine, if that makes

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<v Speaker 2>if that gets my band to make a new record,

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<v Speaker 2>it's fine, you know. And with your with your campaign,

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<v Speaker 2>it was just yeah, it was great to see you

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<v Speaker 2>just to just go for it. Were you remotely disappointed

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<v Speaker 2>that it was two and not one?

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<v Speaker 1>For about five minutes when we found out we were

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<v Speaker 1>on that, we were on that high of like the

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<v Speaker 1>whole week was so exhausted. And then we you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we got blasted at the bread Now on firstday night

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<v Speaker 1>after the last show, and you know, like our booking

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<v Speaker 1>agent was there, all our manager was there.

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<v Speaker 2>And do you find out at midnight?

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<v Speaker 1>Now you find out at like nine in the morning, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But some of the some of the boys had stayed

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<v Speaker 1>up all night waiting. I'd gone to bed, and I

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<v Speaker 1>met them at the Weatherspoons and I got a phone

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<v Speaker 1>call at half nine saying you've come in at number two.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, oh, that's all right, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>after like and I was like, that's fine. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>we're at the Wetherspoons. We've got some champagne. And it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't it was prosecco. That was Island's man sucking budget

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<v Speaker 1>marketing manager. We've got champagne for you at the Wetherspoons

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<v Speaker 1>and it was prosecco. I was like, would it have

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<v Speaker 1>been champagne if we were number one? He was of

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<v Speaker 1>course it fucking would, And he was like yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>was funny, like he was brilliant, and we just totally

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<v Speaker 1>we just loved the whole thing of it, really, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we and then we all went out for a

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<v Speaker 1>really nice pub lunch and sort of decompressed on a

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<v Speaker 1>week and that's when we really reflected on what it

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<v Speaker 1>was really about, and it's like, oh shit, we all

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<v Speaker 1>just everyone just went hell for lever on something that

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<v Speaker 1>we really believed in and sort of whilst knowing as

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<v Speaker 1>well that it was totally like this strange position to

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<v Speaker 1>be in, but we took it like we took advantage

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<v Speaker 1>of the chance and kind of ran with it. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're just completely honest about our intentions with it. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was like, we booked about fucking ten in stores

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<v Speaker 1>in trying to shift more records, and now I've got

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<v Speaker 1>to fucking go and do them all, which is like,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're only good places doing in like Warrington where

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up, in Derby where Ryan comes from. So

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, they're good, like good, meaningful shows. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's made may look like absolute okay, but it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was. Yeah, it was worth it and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>regret any of it, and you know, it was exhausting.

0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:20.200
<v Speaker 1>We did twenty one shows in seven days, I mean

0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:22.879
<v Speaker 1>and not sorry, twenty one in stores. I think we

0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:26.639
<v Speaker 1>did sixteen shows five five and we're just signings. But

0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:29.840
<v Speaker 1>like it was relentless, and we were running on like

0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:36.800
<v Speaker 1>we were running on empty, and it was like it stops.

0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:39.439
<v Speaker 1>We just knew that it stopped. As soon as the

0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:43.000
<v Speaker 1>chart week ended, we were like, then we'll rest. And

0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:44.920
<v Speaker 1>it was fun. I had fun doing it.

0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:49.800
<v Speaker 2>When you like finished the record whenever that was last year,

0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:54.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty last March, last March, and you had it ready, Yeah,

0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:59.760
<v Speaker 2>did you have any kind of goal or expectation of

0:24:59.880 --> 0:25:03.760
<v Speaker 2>like this record. Obviously you're we're gonna put this record out,

0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:07.159
<v Speaker 2>but had you signed at that point You hadn't signed.

0:25:07.240 --> 0:25:09.240
<v Speaker 2>So once when you on the strength of just the

0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:11.119
<v Speaker 2>music and the type of music it was and the

0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:14.760
<v Speaker 2>way it sounded, did you have any thought of it

0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:17.280
<v Speaker 2>being in the charts at all, let alone get into

0:25:17.280 --> 0:25:18.439
<v Speaker 2>that point of a number one.

0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:27.080
<v Speaker 1>Nice, not at all, but once it because basically off

0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:30.360
<v Speaker 1>the strength of our wealthy EP had sold, we were

0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:34.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of told, like chance, this album will go top forty,

0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:37.520
<v Speaker 1>which for us was like what we'll have like an

0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:39.679
<v Speaker 1>home in the top forty. And that's because you need

0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:42.280
<v Speaker 1>to sell that two thousand records to getting the top

0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:44.240
<v Speaker 1>forty or whatever. That's all you need to do in

0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:47.320
<v Speaker 1>our week one sales is two thousand and the other

0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:53.680
<v Speaker 1>thing that is often overlooked is that week one is

0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:56.040
<v Speaker 1>not all your sales sold in one week. It's your

0:25:56.040 --> 0:26:00.560
<v Speaker 1>pre orders from when you start campaigning three months before. Sure,

0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:03.960
<v Speaker 1>So it's it's a bit of a again, like I said,

0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 1>it's smoker, and I don't mind admitting that, because of

0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:10.800
<v Speaker 1>course you've got to face the truth head on, aren't you. Yeah,

0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:13.200
<v Speaker 1>but also go along for the ride and have fun

0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:16.720
<v Speaker 1>with it. And then yeah, we were kind of told,

0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:18.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, like based off the sort of buzz you've

0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:20.639
<v Speaker 1>kind of got and how well this is so like

0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:22.720
<v Speaker 1>you should get a top forty with your debut album.

0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:24.240
<v Speaker 1>And that was like the time we were going to

0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:26.800
<v Speaker 1>self release it. But we were talking to quite a

0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:30.680
<v Speaker 1>few labels, but nothing was. Nothing felt right, and even

0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 1>like the big indies that we were speaking to, we

0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:37.920
<v Speaker 1>were kind of like they want they want this much

0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:40.160
<v Speaker 1>to do that. We were like, no, like we don't.

0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:41.720
<v Speaker 1>You know. It was like it was like I love

0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:44.520
<v Speaker 1>this label, this is my favorite, one of my favorite

0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:47.480
<v Speaker 1>labels of all time, but I can't It's I can't

0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:49.960
<v Speaker 1>give them that much for what they want to take

0:26:50.520 --> 0:26:53.080
<v Speaker 1>and give us up. You know. It's like and that

0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:55.399
<v Speaker 1>was That's when we kind of that's when like loads

0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:57.520
<v Speaker 1>of major kind of labels got in touch and we liked,

0:26:57.720 --> 0:26:59.879
<v Speaker 1>we're like, none of these work. This is all weird.

0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:03.880
<v Speaker 1>But then Ireland kept coming back and they totally got

0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:07.000
<v Speaker 1>what we were about, and it was like we knew

0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:11.520
<v Speaker 1>it was like a completely different sort of world to

0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:13.639
<v Speaker 1>what we were used to, but we're so used to

0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:17.680
<v Speaker 1>the indie world that we kind of know it's limitations

0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:19.919
<v Speaker 1>because it does have limitations, and we were kind of like,

0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:25.280
<v Speaker 1>if they're going to put this money in, then I

0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:26.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know. We were just at a point where we're like,

0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:29.199
<v Speaker 1>shall we just see what happens if we let a

0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:31.680
<v Speaker 1>major label go with it?

0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:35.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I guess that's probably part of like because

0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:37.640
<v Speaker 2>you'd all been in bands and you've been on indies,

0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:42.600
<v Speaker 2>and it's also like, well why not just try something different?

0:27:42.680 --> 0:27:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Right, Like that was exactly it.

0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:46.119
<v Speaker 2>Let's just do let's just try a different thing and

0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:49.800
<v Speaker 2>if that doesn't work, it doesn't work, and yeah, that's fine.

0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:51.960
<v Speaker 1>That is it. It's like, what's the worst has happened?

0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:53.840
<v Speaker 1>It's like you'll get dropped after one album and then

0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:56.240
<v Speaker 1>you're going to do what you did anyway, and it's

0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:59.320
<v Speaker 1>like cool, sure, let's try it then, And it seems

0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:02.000
<v Speaker 1>to have fade so far. But it's the other thing

0:28:02.080 --> 0:28:05.600
<v Speaker 1>is that people always think that, like people put so

0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:09.160
<v Speaker 1>much on the future in the longevitive stuff, but that's

0:28:09.200 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>also not the most important thing. Like bands don't have

0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 1>to exist forever. And I think we just knew that

0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:19.480
<v Speaker 1>we would do music. We'd all hit that point in

0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:21.639
<v Speaker 1>our lives where we knew that we were never going

0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:24.840
<v Speaker 1>to stop making me I've said this in so many interviews,

0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:29.359
<v Speaker 1>but it's just because it's true. Like I would play,

0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:32.199
<v Speaker 1>I will write songs and release them to no one,

0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:35.360
<v Speaker 1>and I will play. I will play gigs to ansty rooms.

0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:37.720
<v Speaker 1>I won't tor to empty rooms because I'd be boring,

0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:40.320
<v Speaker 1>but I'll still go out and play shows to a

0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:43.240
<v Speaker 1>handful of people when all this ends, because I just

0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:48.080
<v Speaker 1>love it, and I do, and I love bands. I've

0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:49.920
<v Speaker 1>realized that as much as I love music and song

0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:53.760
<v Speaker 1>right and I love bands, I still love the romance

0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:58.680
<v Speaker 1>of a band. And they seem to be making a

0:28:58.680 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 1>comeback at the moment, and I think, I don't know,

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:05.200
<v Speaker 1>maybe after the pandemic and people being isolated so much,

0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:09.360
<v Speaker 1>they want that camaderie of a band again. They want

0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:14.440
<v Speaker 1>to see people together and see themselves within that.

0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:18.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but I think that's a really good

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:21.600
<v Speaker 2>thing that comes with getting a bit older. As someone

0:29:21.600 --> 0:29:25.080
<v Speaker 2>who's older now, is like when you're a younger and

0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:29.360
<v Speaker 2>you see, like, so you see a band that had

0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:31.880
<v Speaker 2>that moment and then now that they went to the

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:33.640
<v Speaker 2>top and now they're back down and playing in your

0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:36.680
<v Speaker 2>local path to a few people. When you're a kid,

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:38.600
<v Speaker 2>when you're like a teenager, and you see that, you go,

0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:42.080
<v Speaker 2>this is so sad? Isn't so depressing for them? But

0:29:42.160 --> 0:29:45.440
<v Speaker 2>you can't really see that. They're they're enjoyed that, they're

0:29:45.440 --> 0:29:47.560
<v Speaker 2>actually they want to be there. They're not doing it

0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:51.360
<v Speaker 2>because they they they they've just got to that point

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:53.040
<v Speaker 2>where they're like, this is what I do and I

0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:54.479
<v Speaker 2>used to do it to lots of more people than

0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:57.480
<v Speaker 2>I do now, and that's fine, Like it's completely fine.

0:29:57.720 --> 0:30:01.280
<v Speaker 1>The exact thing happened with a you know, a younger

0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:05.400
<v Speaker 1>friend of mine when we were watching a show in

0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Leads where someone who you know, they are in a

0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:15.520
<v Speaker 1>legendary band and their side projects sort of plays to

0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:20.040
<v Speaker 1>twenty or thirty people and me and Ryan and our

0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:23.400
<v Speaker 1>friend were watching them and like we were like, it's

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:26.160
<v Speaker 1>fucking so good seeing his old dudes just rock out,

0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:28.040
<v Speaker 1>like they just love it, you know. They were like

0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:30.600
<v Speaker 1>they were they were great. They were so good, and

0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:32.920
<v Speaker 1>they just like there was probably a bit of disheartenment

0:30:32.960 --> 0:30:37.720
<v Speaker 1>that they were playing at thirty people, but they were

0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 1>just playing their songs and it's like they've never given up.

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:42.560
<v Speaker 1>I think me and Ryan saw ourselves in that band

0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:45.760
<v Speaker 1>that night and it was like we use the term lifers,

0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:47.720
<v Speaker 1>like we're like they're lifers. And I remember when Ryan

0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:50.400
<v Speaker 1>first said to me, you're a lifer and I was like,

0:30:50.520 --> 0:30:52.760
<v Speaker 1>and he basically was like, we've seen like you're not

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:55.040
<v Speaker 1>going to give up. Like this is basically him and

0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:57.080
<v Speaker 1>a couple of other people that are in bands in

0:30:57.200 --> 0:31:02.120
<v Speaker 1>leads like Pulled part by Horses and that, like Ryan

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 1>was in Menace Beach. They were like, you know, you've

0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:06.560
<v Speaker 1>just kept going and you're not going to stop. I

0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:07.960
<v Speaker 1>was like, no, I love it. And it was like

0:31:08.000 --> 0:31:09.920
<v Speaker 1>you're a life and you're not like moaning that there's

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:12.160
<v Speaker 1>ten people at the show, because we've all been in

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:14.880
<v Speaker 1>bands with people who do that and they bring they

0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:16.960
<v Speaker 1>drag you down and We're like why are you here?

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:19.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, like what did you expect? And a lot

0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 1>of people are entitled and expect stuff, but maybe like yeah,

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:25.680
<v Speaker 1>our friend anyway, she was like, this is so depressing.

0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 1>I was like, it's not.

0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:27.440
<v Speaker 2>They're amazing.

0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 1>Look at them going and she was like, but no

0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:32.920
<v Speaker 1>one's here. I was like, yeah, you know, if if

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:36.719
<v Speaker 1>a legendary band plays thirty people but the other twenty

0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:41.320
<v Speaker 1>seven thousand and nine hundred and seventy aren't around to

0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.360
<v Speaker 1>hear them play, did it happen at all? Like you

0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:45.960
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, it's like that. It was like, no,

0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:49.120
<v Speaker 1>it's this is this is what it's really about. All

0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:52.000
<v Speaker 1>the other stuff comes and goes as exciting as it is. Yeah,

0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you don't want it and you don't

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:57.320
<v Speaker 1>love it, but it gets beyond that. Yeah. So that

0:31:57.440 --> 0:31:59.440
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, I was like and I think I said

0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 1>something like pastronizing and say like when you get older,

0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:05.960
<v Speaker 1>you'll understand because it's like, no, it's these guys know

0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:06.480
<v Speaker 1>what they're doing.

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:10.400
<v Speaker 2>And what was your first band? Then your very first band?

0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:14.400
<v Speaker 1>My first band was post war was one before. Yeah,

0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:16.240
<v Speaker 1>I played in like sort of covers bands and that

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:19.920
<v Speaker 1>as a teenager, and I didn't actually know I did.

0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 1>I had a band back in Warrington called City Lights

0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:29.920
<v Speaker 1>with a couple of friends from school. But you know

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:33.960
<v Speaker 1>that was kind of yeah, a lot of covers and

0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:37.640
<v Speaker 1>small time smart, small town small time. No, it's good.

0:32:37.680 --> 0:32:41.760
<v Speaker 1>It was really important for me that band, and it.

0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:44.400
<v Speaker 2>Because post post war Glamor Girls did well for a

0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:46.800
<v Speaker 2>first band, for your for essentially.

0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Your first band. Yes, I started that in Leeds. When

0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:51.680
<v Speaker 1>I came to Leeds, I went to the College of

0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Music and and and that that band's city Lights actually

0:32:56.400 --> 0:33:00.400
<v Speaker 1>ended because our singer, I was the drummer in band,

0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:05.720
<v Speaker 1>and our singer Joe passed away and and that hit

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:07.480
<v Speaker 1>me so hard that I kind of said I was

0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 1>never going to do a band again, which is very

0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:12.640
<v Speaker 1>a dramatic thing that an eighteen year old will say.

0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:16.440
<v Speaker 1>And I was just going to go to union, you know,

0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:22.240
<v Speaker 1>make beats. It's going to be a beat maker. And yeah,

0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:24.320
<v Speaker 1>and then I slowly found the rest of the members

0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:31.160
<v Speaker 1>of Postwar Glamour Girls, Alice, James and Ben and yeah,

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 1>that went on for a long time, but that was completely,

0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:38.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, pretty much completely ignored by the industry, and

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:41.200
<v Speaker 1>we just couldn't really, we did some really big things

0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:43.440
<v Speaker 1>considering we couldn't get a break, you know, like.

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:47.120
<v Speaker 2>Three records he made, Yeah, we.

0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:49.240
<v Speaker 1>Did four and four years well because yeah, because we

0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:51.480
<v Speaker 1>did a live album. But the live album had news

0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:55.520
<v Speaker 1>songs on it, and we and we rewrote it as

0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:58.520
<v Speaker 1>a six piece. We did a lot on a shoestream,

0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 1>but I was always obsessed with moving on and we

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:05.840
<v Speaker 1>never really let anything sort of gestate. And I could

0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:09.640
<v Speaker 1>never also wait for responses from emails. I was like,

0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 1>this person clearly hates so let's just do it on

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:14.919
<v Speaker 1>our own. And you know, like looking back, I well,

0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:19.080
<v Speaker 1>I was a twenty one year old managing a band

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:22.040
<v Speaker 1>of twenty one year olds with no understanding of the

0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:26.120
<v Speaker 1>music industry. Was because he was a pretentious twenty one

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:29.160
<v Speaker 1>year old was obsessed with I just want to make

0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:31.960
<v Speaker 1>my art and I don't want to be a part

0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:34.640
<v Speaker 1>of this industry that has no interest in me. And

0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:37.520
<v Speaker 1>what it really was was that, like people get a

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:39.719
<v Speaker 1>thousand emails a day, and if they don't replies me

0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:42.160
<v Speaker 1>in two days, it doesn't mean that you can't send

0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:45.480
<v Speaker 1>a follow up, you know, it means that. So yeah,

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:47.239
<v Speaker 1>so that was a weird. Yeah, it was a weird time.

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:49.440
<v Speaker 1>But I just feel like I learned so much in

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:51.680
<v Speaker 1>that band about myself. And I grew up in that

0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:55.439
<v Speaker 1>band basically, and I was so angry in my early

0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:59.719
<v Speaker 1>twenties just at the state of the world, which now

0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:05.080
<v Speaker 1>it was like a place I'd love to go back to, yeah, yeah,

0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:07.479
<v Speaker 1>and just you know, kind of stuff that was going

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:11.560
<v Speaker 1>on in my personal life as well, and I didn't

0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:13.000
<v Speaker 1>think about it at the time, and I just wanted

0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:15.200
<v Speaker 1>to challenge music and that's all I ever wanted to do.

0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:18.880
<v Speaker 1>And as I grew up, I kind of couldn't maintain

0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:21.680
<v Speaker 1>that anger that I had that I used to have.

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:23.520
<v Speaker 1>I was like, this is some signing, and I felt

0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:25.640
<v Speaker 1>like I couldn't deliver it anymore. And I started feeling

0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:30.000
<v Speaker 1>like I was doing an impression of my younger self, right,

0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:32.840
<v Speaker 1>and I don't, but I don't think I had the

0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:39.560
<v Speaker 1>sort of self belief or the guts to be me. Yeah.

0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:41.799
<v Speaker 1>And so that band kind of came to an end

0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 1>because because everyone was kind of moving away and stuff,

0:35:44.480 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 1>and we've given it as long as everyone else was

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:49.000
<v Speaker 1>willing to give it before they were ready to do

0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:51.439
<v Speaker 1>other things, you know. So now I did this band

0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 1>cruel world, which I was like, we just again, we

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:57.480
<v Speaker 1>just couldn't catch break. But like musically, I was just

0:35:57.520 --> 0:35:59.560
<v Speaker 1>so into it, and that was like really sort of

0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:03.640
<v Speaker 1>like so right. I kind of went the opposite so

0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:06.479
<v Speaker 1>far away, and I didn't want I was so sort

0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:10.799
<v Speaker 1>of ashamed of my own voice that I kind of

0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:13.560
<v Speaker 1>tried to neutralize it as much as I could.

0:36:13.640 --> 0:36:15.160
<v Speaker 2>Do you mean like the sound of your voice.

0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the sound like I've never liked the sound of

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:19.839
<v Speaker 1>my own voice, like I don't think many people do,

0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 1>and is nice that I've enjoyed it.

0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:26.200
<v Speaker 2>It's like a goose. No it's not you, but you

0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:28.200
<v Speaker 2>know when you listen back to your voice, Yeah, it

0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:33.400
<v Speaker 2>just sounds like a kind of monotone, honking goose. That's

0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:34.200
<v Speaker 2>how I described it.

0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, I find it quite comforting. I'm going to

0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:39.719
<v Speaker 1>listen back and see it. Yeah, if it sounds obviously,

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 1>everyone sounds deeper in their own head.

0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:46.759
<v Speaker 2>Ye, you've got.

0:36:46.640 --> 0:36:50.040
<v Speaker 1>A lovely voice, thank you. That's just what I clarified.

0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:50.920
<v Speaker 1>It moved on.

0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:55.479
<v Speaker 2>I'll just be clipping that bit and yeah into a stick.

0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe certainly that my beats folded, I'll make you

0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:03.520
<v Speaker 1>a beat. Yeah, I got so. Yeah, I just was like,

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:07.719
<v Speaker 1>but I was also convinced that the way that I

0:37:07.880 --> 0:37:10.600
<v Speaker 1>delivered those songs and the aggression and the anger in

0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:13.360
<v Speaker 1>my voice on those records was like the reason that

0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:15.880
<v Speaker 1>we hadn't had the success that I wanted, And so

0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:20.600
<v Speaker 1>I started neutralizing everything, and I think it culminated in

0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 1>like some songwriting that I'm really really proud of, but

0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:27.759
<v Speaker 1>I suck my own I like deliberately edited my own

0:37:27.800 --> 0:37:33.200
<v Speaker 1>personality out of these songs because I didn't have the like,

0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:36.479
<v Speaker 1>didn't have the sort of guts to be myself again

0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:39.120
<v Speaker 1>at this point, and like post what I felt like

0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:42.040
<v Speaker 1>it was a really extreme version of myself that I

0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:45.279
<v Speaker 1>then couldn't get to grips with changing, and so I

0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:48.480
<v Speaker 1>stayed stuck in this sort of impression of angry me,

0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:51.200
<v Speaker 1>which was kind of I'd learned to cope with my

0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:54.719
<v Speaker 1>anger in a different way. And then cruel World kind

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:58.680
<v Speaker 1>of became me going, hey, I'm so mellow and relaxed now,

0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:02.279
<v Speaker 1>which like most of the time I am, sorry most

0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:04.799
<v Speaker 1>of the time I am, but so relaxed. I just

0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:08.480
<v Speaker 1>like most of the time I am, but it's not

0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:10.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm not one thing or another, and I'm and I

0:38:10.920 --> 0:38:16.040
<v Speaker 1>think Yadat. By the time that came around, I find

0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:18.160
<v Speaker 1>as it started to do well, I started to have

0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:21.080
<v Speaker 1>the confidence to be completely comfortable with who I am

0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:24.080
<v Speaker 1>and accept that I do have these bursts of anger

0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:26.840
<v Speaker 1>and frustration, but for the most part, I am on

0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:30.680
<v Speaker 1>this level which we're at now, and I think that's

0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:34.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of how we approach everything we do. The performance

0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:39.360
<v Speaker 1>is kind of in me being me, Yeah, which is nice.

0:38:39.680 --> 0:38:42.279
<v Speaker 2>So now when you hear yourself back, whether it's like

0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:45.760
<v Speaker 2>on a recording like this or singing.

0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, are you at piece with it? Yeah? Because I

0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:54.200
<v Speaker 1>just realized it doesn't matter anyway. I'm not. I'm I'm like,

0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:57.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know at what point it happened, but I

0:38:57.440 --> 0:39:00.799
<v Speaker 1>I think I basically think once we got an audience

0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:04.719
<v Speaker 1>that we realized was sticking with us for the time being,

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:09.080
<v Speaker 1>at least I felt I was like, they just like

0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:14.439
<v Speaker 1>me doing what I do, and so I don't need

0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:18.920
<v Speaker 1>to study myself or worry about that. I don't need

0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:21.560
<v Speaker 1>to worry about the people. I'm not conscious of what

0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:25.160
<v Speaker 1>the people who don't like it think anymore. Yeah, and

0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:29.000
<v Speaker 1>yet I think it's what I don't know, Like I'm

0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:30.719
<v Speaker 1>not being smug about it. But I think it's what

0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:32.680
<v Speaker 1>everyone's trying to achieve in their own life, is to

0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:34.360
<v Speaker 1>be comfortable in our own skin. And I feel like

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:37.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm finally as close as I'm going to. I've got

0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:39.759
<v Speaker 1>there for the time being, and I'm really.

0:39:39.600 --> 0:39:42.600
<v Speaker 2>Very young to have got there. You're like thirty one.

0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thirty two this year, thirty two.

0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:48.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's good going, I think if you've sussed it, yeah,

0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:49.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean it might.

0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Not last time. No, no, don't. Well, I've had a

0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:54.959
<v Speaker 1>good run. I've had a good run in life over

0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:57.960
<v Speaker 1>the last few years after quite a turbulent you know,

0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:01.880
<v Speaker 1>late teens, early twenties, I feel like everything's kind of

0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:05.279
<v Speaker 1>come up James for a little bit, and and I'm

0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:10.240
<v Speaker 1>not taking it for granted that there will be turbulence ahead,

0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 1>because no one gets that easy run, you know.

0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Can we quickly talk about your videos? Yeah, of course,

0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:19.080
<v Speaker 2>because I'm a big fan of all of them. Yeah,

0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:22.439
<v Speaker 2>particularly the Magic one.

0:40:22.880 --> 0:40:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Ah, Yeah, that's my favorite.

0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:27.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm going to put a link to all

0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:29.720
<v Speaker 2>of them in the in the description of this podcast,

0:40:30.120 --> 0:40:33.359
<v Speaker 2>because they're all worth a watch. How one question I've

0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:35.120
<v Speaker 2>got is who are the who are the people in them?

0:40:35.160 --> 0:40:37.360
<v Speaker 2>Because there's like there seems to be like some recurring

0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:40.880
<v Speaker 2>actors in there. Yeah, who's the who's the guy with

0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:42.560
<v Speaker 2>the braces, the bald headed guy?

0:40:43.120 --> 0:40:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Ah yeah, Gareth, Yeah, I appreciate.

0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:48.200
<v Speaker 2>Are these people you know? Are these people that you

0:40:48.360 --> 0:40:50.279
<v Speaker 2>cast once and then thought we'll just get you back

0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:51.160
<v Speaker 2>for like other ones.

0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:55.400
<v Speaker 1>Most of them are people that the production crew know,

0:40:55.680 --> 0:40:59.880
<v Speaker 1>like family and friends and a couple of castings. Some

0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:04.040
<v Speaker 1>are like street castings. So like Kaylee, who is the

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:07.520
<v Speaker 1>dancing orphan with the lettuces. She appears in Payday and

0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:12.600
<v Speaker 1>The Overload. She when we me and James Slater, who

0:41:12.600 --> 0:41:15.560
<v Speaker 1>directs the videos, we went to Lee's Bradford put car

0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:17.840
<v Speaker 1>boot to do a recie see if it would be

0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:18.600
<v Speaker 1>a good location.

0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Was it shot there?

0:41:20.800 --> 0:41:24.359
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, yeah, and yeah there was. There was two

0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:28.719
<v Speaker 1>castings from the car boot. One was Kaylee's mom was

0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:31.520
<v Speaker 1>just running a stall and Kaylee was just like dancing

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:36.400
<v Speaker 1>next to the car, just entered saying herself. And James

0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:40.640
<v Speaker 1>and Jack and Rosie, Jack and Rosiere, the producers, they

0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:44.480
<v Speaker 1>they were just like, she'd be great for the video.

0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Let's go and ask if she wants to do it

0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:48.759
<v Speaker 1>next Sunday, like let's get that dancing in the video.

0:41:48.840 --> 0:41:51.279
<v Speaker 1>So she was just a punter at the car boot

0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:53.520
<v Speaker 1>dancing and she and she was like, yeah, I would

0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:55.120
<v Speaker 1>love to do it. And she came back. And then

0:41:55.160 --> 0:42:02.239
<v Speaker 1>the One Eyed King he him and his partner live

0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:04.440
<v Speaker 1>in their camper van and they visit the car boots

0:42:04.440 --> 0:42:07.640
<v Speaker 1>to sell sell their wares every now and then. And

0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:10.200
<v Speaker 1>we were like, would you be up for wearing an

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:12.200
<v Speaker 1>eye patch and a crown and being in this and

0:42:12.239 --> 0:42:14.799
<v Speaker 1>he was like, yeah, of course, And and you know,

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:18.120
<v Speaker 1>they're like, you know, I follow them on Instagram now

0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:21.040
<v Speaker 1>I follow that. They live the hashtag van life and

0:42:21.360 --> 0:42:25.040
<v Speaker 1>they just travel the country with their dog, having van

0:42:25.120 --> 0:42:27.520
<v Speaker 1>meet ups from that, and so it's nice to stay

0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:34.440
<v Speaker 1>in touch with them. So Gaff is Jack's stepdad, and

0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:37.719
<v Speaker 1>he's just the loveliest man. And I can't remember what

0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:42.680
<v Speaker 1>he does now. I think he's I don't know, I

0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:45.399
<v Speaker 1>can't remember what he does. He's great, he's just great.

0:42:45.400 --> 0:42:47.080
<v Speaker 1>He just came along and then he's just like I think,

0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:48.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he'd even heard of us before the

0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:51.080
<v Speaker 1>first song, and he's been in three of the videos

0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:54.040
<v Speaker 1>and he's like he's a big fan now, like he's

0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:58.040
<v Speaker 1>he drops his messages and that. Yeah, it's great. There's

0:42:58.080 --> 0:42:59.520
<v Speaker 1>loads of wicked people in them video.

0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:04.399
<v Speaker 2>I think like you did some pretty good acting in them, right,

0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:07.759
<v Speaker 2>Like you know, it's Land of the Blind, isn't it

0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:12.359
<v Speaker 2>with the Magician one? Yeah, yeah, where you're sporting a goate.

0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:16.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, su yes, yeah, slick back to David Brent

0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:17.360
<v Speaker 1>with the slip.

0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:22.040
<v Speaker 2>But there's that bit where you make the fifty pence

0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:24.000
<v Speaker 2>disappear and you crawl out the room.

0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm going to make me and this fifty pence

0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:31.280
<v Speaker 1>piece disappear.

0:43:32.680 --> 0:43:35.120
<v Speaker 2>And that that was I love that.

0:43:35.280 --> 0:43:37.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that wasn't meant to happen.

0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:40.600
<v Speaker 2>That's prettiant. But the but but yeah, there are parts

0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:43.440
<v Speaker 2>that there are bits in all of them where you like,

0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 2>have you ever did you act at school?

0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:47.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I was in the place and that I used

0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:51.480
<v Speaker 1>to Yeah, I used to like, yeah, yeah you did

0:43:51.600 --> 0:43:54.799
<v Speaker 1>play did the artful Dodger? And Oliver did say that?

0:43:55.000 --> 0:43:55.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah I did.

0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:58.680
<v Speaker 2>Did you have to do a Cockney accent for that?

0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:05.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Of course it's dead easy. I won't do it now, yeah, yeah,

0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:08.600
<v Speaker 1>yeah I played think what else I did?

0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:10.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:12.480
<v Speaker 1>I did fat studies at a level as well. Basically

0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:15.120
<v Speaker 1>there wasn't enough subjects that I would have been allowed

0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:16.920
<v Speaker 1>to do if I hadn't have done like all the

0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:22.000
<v Speaker 1>pretend subjects. So I did fat studies, Media studies, English Language,

0:44:22.040 --> 0:44:24.479
<v Speaker 1>and music Tech. That was me. That was me, big

0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:30.560
<v Speaker 1>four and yeah, I always loved it. And then I

0:44:30.600 --> 0:44:34.640
<v Speaker 1>went Then I kind of went off it because of

0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:36.560
<v Speaker 1>some of the other people who do it that take

0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:37.640
<v Speaker 1>it so seriously.

0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:40.680
<v Speaker 2>But I did it as well exactly.

0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:43.680
<v Speaker 1>I know, did you continue it? Did you pursue it?

0:44:44.120 --> 0:44:47.000
<v Speaker 2>I pursued it. Yeah, Well I went to when I

0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:50.360
<v Speaker 2>went to UNI, did film and drama amazing.

0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:51.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:54.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I knew as soon as I got there

0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:57.399
<v Speaker 2>to day one of the drama side of it that.

0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:01.399
<v Speaker 1>Hang on, Yeah, I'm out of my league here. Yeah.

0:45:01.480 --> 0:45:03.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because you know, when you're in school, you can

0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:05.120
<v Speaker 2>be it's quite easy to be the best in your school.

0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, you were you the best in your school. Well,

0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:10.600
<v Speaker 1>sounds like that's what you just said.

0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:13.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm going to you know, I'm going to lean

0:45:13.040 --> 0:45:14.880
<v Speaker 2>into that and say, yeah, but there is there is

0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:17.839
<v Speaker 2>a caveat by the end of myol by my sixth form, Yeah,

0:45:18.600 --> 0:45:21.839
<v Speaker 2>there was three of us in the class cool and

0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:24.200
<v Speaker 2>one of them then got kicked out, so we could

0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:24.960
<v Speaker 2>only do two.

0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:29.520
<v Speaker 1>Man plays deal logues, yeah, and actually a deal logue, right, Yeah,

0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:32.160
<v Speaker 1>that's what we did a lot of wreck And if

0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:33.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm honest now i'm thinking of it, I think I

0:45:33.880 --> 0:45:37.200
<v Speaker 1>was probably the second best in the class, nah to it.

0:45:37.760 --> 0:45:39.480
<v Speaker 2>But you know, but you know when you're like a

0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:41.520
<v Speaker 2>bit younger than because by then, you know, by then

0:45:41.560 --> 0:45:45.120
<v Speaker 2>I was fifteen sixteen. When you're like, at my school,

0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:47.520
<v Speaker 2>if you could remember the lines, you were the best. Yeah, yeah,

0:45:47.560 --> 0:45:49.480
<v Speaker 2>you didn't really need to actually put anything down.

0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:50.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:53.680
<v Speaker 2>But then you go to like university and you go, oh,

0:45:53.840 --> 0:45:58.480
<v Speaker 2>there are people there who are like theater people studied,

0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:01.560
<v Speaker 2>and so I was. I was instantly I moved away

0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:03.680
<v Speaker 2>from it. I completed the degree, but I moved away

0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:08.640
<v Speaker 2>from it. But I know exactly what you mean. Actors

0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:11.400
<v Speaker 2>can be the worst, can they?

0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:11.759
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

0:46:11.840 --> 0:46:15.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean not all of them. I don't want

0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:19.440
<v Speaker 2>anyone thinking I'm down on all actors, but some actorly

0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:21.959
<v Speaker 2>people when they're being actors a lot of the time,

0:46:22.520 --> 0:46:23.719
<v Speaker 2>it's a lot.

0:46:23.800 --> 0:46:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you're always forgiven when they do something amazing. Yeah,

0:46:27.680 --> 0:46:29.640
<v Speaker 1>they have to be in that frame of mind where

0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:32.600
<v Speaker 1>they are already amazing when they've not proved anything, which

0:46:32.600 --> 0:46:36.400
<v Speaker 1>I guess musicians do as well a lot. Well they

0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:39.600
<v Speaker 1>know they don't. I don't know. It's a weird one. Yeah, basically,

0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:43.000
<v Speaker 1>there was just yeah, it's just want your people, I'm

0:46:43.000 --> 0:46:45.799
<v Speaker 1>going to do see drama because I'm going to get

0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:48.040
<v Speaker 1>to slide around on my knees in the schoolhole for

0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:50.040
<v Speaker 1>a couple of years and funny about my mates. And

0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:51.640
<v Speaker 1>then when it gets to a level and they all go,

0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:54.680
<v Speaker 1>we're not doing drama now, we're doing like physics and

0:46:54.719 --> 0:46:57.319
<v Speaker 1>maths and that, and you go, right, whom I left

0:46:57.360 --> 0:47:01.560
<v Speaker 1>with and you know, some of my best friends. But

0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:07.200
<v Speaker 1>it's yeah, it's it's it's the people that take it

0:47:07.320 --> 0:47:10.440
<v Speaker 1>very seriously, who can't act that really again because like

0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:13.800
<v Speaker 1>I never had. But also it's like it's the people

0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:17.279
<v Speaker 1>that like it's like the great, the great actors, like

0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:21.200
<v Speaker 1>how do you have to be very resilient to do

0:47:21.280 --> 0:47:24.080
<v Speaker 1>that in high school? The serious stuff like I just

0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:27.040
<v Speaker 1>did pratted around and said we did comedy because it

0:47:27.120 --> 0:47:29.680
<v Speaker 1>was like that was easy because that was just pratting

0:47:29.719 --> 0:47:33.759
<v Speaker 1>around as far as we're concerned. But for someone to

0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:36.960
<v Speaker 1>deliver for a fourteen year old pimbly kid to do

0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:39.520
<v Speaker 1>some brutal monologue about like the you know, like the

0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:44.719
<v Speaker 1>fucking like Irish famine. Like it's it's playing like a

0:47:44.760 --> 0:47:48.680
<v Speaker 1>fifty year old like starving man. It doesn't work quite

0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:49.799
<v Speaker 1>the same as a fake.

0:47:51.000 --> 0:47:51.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:47:51.320 --> 0:47:54.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like it's like you're going to go for those deep,

0:47:54.960 --> 0:48:01.520
<v Speaker 1>serious subjects and you should be encouraging chilled there's you

0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:05.320
<v Speaker 1>should be encouraging children to do that at that age,

0:48:05.360 --> 0:48:07.879
<v Speaker 1>Like you should be getting to try and tap into

0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:11.760
<v Speaker 1>something deeper about themselves and to convey and deliver something

0:48:11.800 --> 0:48:16.360
<v Speaker 1>that's so emotive it can make a teacher cry. But

0:48:17.239 --> 0:48:19.520
<v Speaker 1>you're going to have a bunch of immature lads on

0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:23.440
<v Speaker 1>the front row sniggering, like I wish that's not how

0:48:23.480 --> 0:48:26.560
<v Speaker 1>the world worked, maybe changed, but I mean that's what

0:48:26.600 --> 0:48:29.120
<v Speaker 1>it's like for me. But that's that's my own immaturity,

0:48:29.280 --> 0:48:30.840
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. That was I was a

0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:33.080
<v Speaker 1>late bloomer and it took me a long time to

0:48:33.120 --> 0:48:37.720
<v Speaker 1>grow up. So yeah, so I have nothing but respect

0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:42.759
<v Speaker 1>for those people. I do, but that wasn't where I

0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:44.680
<v Speaker 1>was at at that time in my life, you know,

0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:47.400
<v Speaker 1>And so I didn't really pursue it. I did do

0:48:47.480 --> 0:48:50.279
<v Speaker 1>fat studies and I did. I did really enjoy it,

0:48:50.320 --> 0:48:53.600
<v Speaker 1>and I wrote me and some mates wrote like a

0:48:53.719 --> 0:48:57.840
<v Speaker 1>musical about Summerfields, the supermarket that's kind of our perfect

0:49:00.000 --> 0:49:02.640
<v Speaker 1>field is gone now Yeah yeah, I think we all

0:49:02.760 --> 0:49:04.279
<v Speaker 1>used to work at the one in the village, so

0:49:04.280 --> 0:49:06.440
<v Speaker 1>that was kind of that was what it was written about.

0:49:06.560 --> 0:49:08.319
<v Speaker 1>And there was like a turf war between that and

0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:10.319
<v Speaker 1>the co Op, which was quite That was what it

0:49:10.360 --> 0:49:10.800
<v Speaker 1>was about.

0:49:10.960 --> 0:49:14.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, history has proven co Op one. I think they

0:49:14.280 --> 0:49:17.080
<v Speaker 2>bought I think they bought out Summer Film.

0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:17.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:20.840
<v Speaker 2>I think that's why. That's why there's maybe that's what's

0:49:20.920 --> 0:49:22.320
<v Speaker 2>ripe for a sequel.

0:49:22.840 --> 0:49:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, co Op. Yeah, Summerfield strikes back. Yeah.

0:49:28.160 --> 0:49:31.279
<v Speaker 2>So the another thing I wanted to ask you just

0:49:31.280 --> 0:49:35.239
<v Speaker 2>about the videos is what is with the fifty p

0:49:36.080 --> 0:49:41.800
<v Speaker 2>the recurring callback to fifty pence pieces? So I guess

0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:45.080
<v Speaker 2>we play on I should explain that this is something

0:49:45.120 --> 0:49:48.520
<v Speaker 2>that recurs through these through your videos.

0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:51.880
<v Speaker 1>Seeing every everything in the whole universe costs fifty everything

0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:55.160
<v Speaker 1>costs fifty p which is kind of communist in a way,

0:49:55.160 --> 0:49:59.919
<v Speaker 1>but that's not the fifty p to me really symbolizes,

0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:03.040
<v Speaker 1>like obviously, the first album really kind of leans into

0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:07.319
<v Speaker 1>nostalgia and like, you know, I wrote a lot a

0:50:07.360 --> 0:50:08.880
<v Speaker 1>lot of it because a lot of it was written

0:50:08.960 --> 0:50:11.080
<v Speaker 1>during lockdown and I wasn't really sort of out and

0:50:11.120 --> 0:50:14.040
<v Speaker 1>about experiencing things. I kind of delved into my own

0:50:14.080 --> 0:50:18.759
<v Speaker 1>past quite a lot and sort of my own childhood

0:50:18.760 --> 0:50:21.279
<v Speaker 1>and upbringing to kind of you know. So it's got

0:50:21.280 --> 0:50:23.960
<v Speaker 1>like a real sort of retro sort of slant to it.

0:50:24.040 --> 0:50:26.080
<v Speaker 1>The album, you know, it kind of plays on that

0:50:26.160 --> 0:50:28.799
<v Speaker 1>it's set now, but it's also set in this like

0:50:28.960 --> 0:50:33.520
<v Speaker 1>rosy past of in England gone by when things were simpler,

0:50:33.560 --> 0:50:36.399
<v Speaker 1>because everyone loves to think everything was better in their

0:50:36.480 --> 0:50:41.680
<v Speaker 1>day even though and fifty P for me felt like

0:50:41.760 --> 0:50:46.240
<v Speaker 1>the automate symbol of a lot of money but worth

0:50:46.280 --> 0:50:50.960
<v Speaker 1>fuck all. Like like fifty P is like, like you know,

0:50:51.800 --> 0:50:54.560
<v Speaker 1>I always think about the fifty P mix because that

0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:56.279
<v Speaker 1>was like that was like one day, that was like

0:50:56.400 --> 0:50:59.040
<v Speaker 1>birthday mix. It was like fifth you got fifty P

0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:01.600
<v Speaker 1>or the kid with the fifty P at school was

0:51:01.640 --> 0:51:06.560
<v Speaker 1>swinging yeah, like you know pound that's like the league

0:51:06.560 --> 0:51:08.279
<v Speaker 1>you put that and you put that in your piggy bank,

0:51:08.360 --> 0:51:09.040
<v Speaker 1>like you say.

0:51:08.960 --> 0:51:09.480
<v Speaker 2>That's a banker.

0:51:09.760 --> 0:51:12.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, but fifty P was it felt like a

0:51:12.920 --> 0:51:16.360
<v Speaker 1>lot of money. It's also for course, it kind of

0:51:16.360 --> 0:51:21.280
<v Speaker 1>to me symbolizes like our It kind of symbolizes our

0:51:21.760 --> 0:51:26.880
<v Speaker 1>first for wealth and our our view of it and

0:51:26.920 --> 0:51:30.640
<v Speaker 1>how we sort of see it and what it is.

0:51:30.960 --> 0:51:34.880
<v Speaker 1>And do you remember those like windy penny press machines

0:51:34.920 --> 0:51:37.440
<v Speaker 1>that would like press like a logo of where you've been, like.

0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:38.760
<v Speaker 2>It flattens it to an oval.

0:51:38.920 --> 0:51:42.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I wanted to do one of them on tour

0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:44.200
<v Speaker 1>that we could have a yard at one where you

0:51:44.239 --> 0:51:46.239
<v Speaker 1>put your fifty p in and you press it and

0:51:46.280 --> 0:51:48.080
<v Speaker 1>it flattens your fifty p and you get it back

0:51:48.120 --> 0:51:51.520
<v Speaker 1>with a yard that logo on it. And there must

0:51:51.560 --> 0:51:53.839
<v Speaker 1>be someone out there that can make that contraption. It's

0:51:53.840 --> 0:51:56.600
<v Speaker 1>only cogs and it must be a press, isn't it.

0:51:56.760 --> 0:52:00.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Because you know every ceaside town will have that. Yeah,

0:52:00.560 --> 0:52:04.279
<v Speaker 2>so there's somewhere that makes the stand he's got inside town, right.

0:52:04.200 --> 0:52:06.200
<v Speaker 1>But I've never seen one with a fifty P. They

0:52:06.280 --> 0:52:08.120
<v Speaker 1>might have to trigger, like they might have to re

0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:10.960
<v Speaker 1>reshape the shoot, but I think a fifty p might

0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:13.360
<v Speaker 1>be too thick. That's what I mean. You're going to

0:52:13.440 --> 0:52:14.960
<v Speaker 1>need some real strength, like.

0:52:16.000 --> 0:52:18.120
<v Speaker 2>Someone with a big arm to be put in there.

0:52:19.960 --> 0:52:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what's Pete's arm, Like Pete's arm, well, friends, which

0:52:24.040 --> 0:52:26.759
<v Speaker 1>is mixing anders because that's slightly bigger.

0:52:26.520 --> 0:52:28.680
<v Speaker 2>Because it could be a new job for Pete.

0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Pete does need more work. Maybe maybe our next crew

0:52:32.160 --> 0:52:34.839
<v Speaker 1>member will be someone with a big arm. Just one

0:52:34.880 --> 0:52:40.359
<v Speaker 1>big arm, require one big arm. Yeah, I did want

0:52:40.360 --> 0:52:42.360
<v Speaker 1>to get one. I'm done there. But again, this was

0:52:42.480 --> 0:52:47.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, like when I suggested it, like spitball, it

0:52:47.080 --> 0:52:48.640
<v Speaker 1>was like, yeah, you could, like it could be like

0:52:48.719 --> 0:52:50.840
<v Speaker 1>one pound fifty to get you fifty p press and

0:52:50.880 --> 0:52:52.640
<v Speaker 1>I was like, no, it'd be fifty p. It's a

0:52:52.640 --> 0:52:55.239
<v Speaker 1>freebie for anyone who's got fifty p on it. I'm

0:52:55.280 --> 0:52:57.279
<v Speaker 1>not trying to capitalize. Yeah, yeah, it's got to be

0:52:57.800 --> 0:53:00.440
<v Speaker 1>it's got to be money it mate. Thank you for

0:53:00.480 --> 0:53:01.520
<v Speaker 1>coming on the podcast.

0:53:03.560 --> 0:53:06.799
<v Speaker 2>I never know how to end. Don't you think we've

0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:07.480
<v Speaker 2>missed anything?

0:53:07.680 --> 0:53:10.040
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't even know what we've talked about, but

0:53:10.080 --> 0:53:12.000
<v Speaker 1>I have nothing to say. Perfect.

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