WEBVTT - Player's Lounge: Silent Giant 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:07.640 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:09.480 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:12.559 Cowboys. 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:19.400 This is the Players Lounge, broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:24.560 World headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts Barry Church, 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:29.880 Heckma Harrison, de Montrey Moore, and Newie Scruggs. 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:33.920 Players Lounge Time, Let's Ride. 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:37.519 We're in the SWBC podcast studio in Prisco, Texas. 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:39.960 Headquarters of the Dallas Cowboys. 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:43.920 Got Heckma Harrison in the house, Tray Moore the house, 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:47.559 former Texas A and m Aggie and Dallas Cowboy I 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:50.360 am merely new, he scrugs to help facilitate the conversation 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.960 here and our show is brought to you by Aristocrat Gaming. 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:56.680 We will start with yesterday's events here. 0:00:56.520 --> 0:01:01.560 At the Star seven to seven seventh officially called it 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:04.399 a career and when he walked in the building he 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:10.119 looked like a Greek god. He could still play. He's 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:12.880 looking good, looking, good, still got it. 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:15.080 So I'll start with you. 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:19.920 Former Cowboy player fourteen year career Jerry Jones says he 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.360 will go into the Cowboys Ring of Honor. Jerry says 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:26.280 he looks forward to him joining him in Canton the 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:27.440 Pro Football Hall of Fame. 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:31.679 Your thoughts, he better, he better go on the ring honor, 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:35.560 No questions asked, Like hands down, this goes without saying 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:40.760 arguably probably no. He is the best office alignment that 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:44.400 I have ever had the privilege of going against and 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:48.280 going to war with playing against him when he's a 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:52.600 physical specimen within himself, just being that big and being 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:56.120 fluid on his feet, it's like he's playing basketball at 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.680 offensive tackle. And then to see the type of technician 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:02.160 that he is, like, I'll never forget the first day 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:04.960 that I walked in here and during training camp, I'm like, okay, 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:07.320 let me go in here, show them like, hey, I'm here, 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.880 like I'm ready to rush. I went the first rep, 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:12.520 beat the next guy, and then he's like, oh, okay, 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.280 let me go against you. Come over here, be more bad. 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.680 Say let's go in there. Hey, I'm about to give 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:19.799 him work. He said, oh, that was pretty good. I won, 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:23.000 barely won, but it wasn't convincingly. That next rep, when 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:26.480 I tell you, he turned it on like like Drake said, 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:28.040 like a light switch. 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:29.360 He said, oh, good rep. 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:31.600 Next way he came in there and he did a 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:33.720 hip lock technique where I tell you, it was like 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:36.119 a joke. He put them vice grips me and said, 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:39.400 and all of a sudden, my top half of my 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:42.120 body went back, but my feet was still running in. 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:46.120 Place, and he's just holding me and he's like, now 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:46.799 that's a good one. 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:47.119 He says. 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:48.320 See now I could turn up. 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:50.120 And I'm like, and that just goes to show you 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:51.920 what type of technician this man was. 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:54.680 Like, man, hats off to that guy. 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.360 Like he earned every bit of it in first ballot 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:00.400 Hall of Famer, No off the field issues great leader, 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:02.960 and he even better player and play it at such 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:04.959 a high caliber level. Like you said, he can still 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:06.960 be playing right now if he wants to. He choose 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:09.639 to walk away, and that in this game is such 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:12.440 a rarity for you to play that long and say, hey, 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:15.079 I'm getting off this horse, but there's still some left 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:17.560 in the tank. So hats off to him. No better 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:18.320 way of doing it. 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:21.160 You know, For me as an analyst, I don't care. 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:23.440 On any level. It's like, you get a guy like 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:25.800 Tyron Smith to come into the league, get an opportunity 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.520 to watch him play, you see how special he was 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:30.239 from the moment he stepped onto the field, from the 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.400 moment he was taken. He was one of those guys 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:34.440 that was straight off the bus, as you were talking 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:36.200 about last week, straight off the bus, and he made 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:40.480 an im media to impact. It's to me what was 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.200 unfortunate about hitt him in the latter part of his 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:45.760 career is when you see the great ones have to 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:48.960 not finish their career in total here, So going to 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:52.320 the Jets and seeing them in that it's like last 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:55.000 day you want to see for tiring, but men a 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.440 class act, a class act, and a guy that handled 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.280 himself on and off the field. That I will thus, 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:03.400 I will always be grateful for those kinds of players, 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:05.840 the guys that are not only assets in the community, 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:07.360 but a guy that puts it on the line when 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.800 he's on the field. I think for all Cowboy fans 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:13.400 that you know saw the press conference, it's it's a bittersweet. 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.120 It's bitter sweet, you see, you know, it was the 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:21.839 untimely retirement of Travis Frederick, now Zach Martin and now 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.840 Tyron Smith. And I don't know, man, it's like your 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.800 favorite sitcom or your favorite show saying we're not coming back. 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:30.440 You know, it's like it's the end of an era, 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:35.119 and I think for the time that we had those 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:37.920 guys that you know, and I think about them through 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.800 and I think about them those guys together. I don't 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:44.320 just think about Tyron by himself. And that's just one 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:46.800 of those things that you can just you're gonna always 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:50.320 say what if, what if for those guys, And you know, 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:53.720 I'm sure you know, I don't have for all the 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:56.080 guys that have votes on Hall of Fame and things 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:59.440 like that first ballot. He put in, the work, he 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.120 put in the he was just that dominant. Nope, like 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.120 you said, his footwork, his hands. Everyone that's ever had 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:09.040 anything to say about Tyron Smith, it's been how dominant 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.120 he was and how he was able to sit out 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:14.880 there on an island. As my man Nate Newton always says, 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:17.920 the hardest position to play in football, other than cornerback 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:21.400 quarterback is the left tackle position to be able to 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:23.680 lock down one of the best, you know, pass rushers 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:25.600 that's out there on the field. And man, I'm I 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:27.919 am going to be forever grateful to him. And I 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:30.080 just want to say this for all the big guys 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:35.440 that's out there, what are you eating? What is it? 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:36.160 You know? 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:41.640 How are you that big and look that proportion. I 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:43.880 mean that man came in there with with the vest 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:47.920 song with the pants, and I'm like, dude, this man 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:51.839 he could go today, but man just fit. I will 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:56.720 always remember the physical specimen that Tyron Smith was is 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:57.920 and always has been. 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:03.120 So Trey, you're telling me he didn't talk a lot 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:03.640 of trash. 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:09.200 Know, he was the silent giant, and that was, to 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:12.040 be honest with you, he was the Andrew Luck of 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:15.880 offensive tackles. Like he didn't talk trash. He was very 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:18.120 nice and then he even compliments you when you got him. 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.920 But then like that next play, it was oh, I'm 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:23.600 going to learn from that, and that shows his craftsmanship. 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:26.760 And when he beats you, it's just like like it 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:29.839 was expected. I knew this, like, oh that will never 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.680 ever happen again. And it's not in the arrogant way. 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.520 It's not cocky. It was just he was just nice 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.480 and it was like man like, of course I can 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:40.640 talk trash to you, but he would literally laugh at 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:42.640 all and then be like, oh, I'll get you next play. 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.320 And so for those type of guys, it's really hard 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:48.200 to for me. I'm a big, avid trash talker, like 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:49.440 that's that's. 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:50.640 In my game. I'm gonna do it. 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:52.600 And so when you talk trash to him and then 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:54.160 he just hit you with the oh that's good, or 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:57.280 after the game, hey man, you did this good, it's like, man, 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:00.119 I feel so bad, Like you're such a great guy, 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.839 but you don't get those opportunities to beat him that 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.120 often for you to even brag or even have that 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:08.000 moment over you, because when you put up such a 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:11.200 great body of work, it's like it's there, like it's 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:14.119 an essence. It's a certain genocid quad that he had 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:17.280 to where it's like I'm that guy and I earned 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:18.280 the right to be that guy. 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:20.200 And like you said, he still can go out here. 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:22.360 You telling me right now, I guarantee you there's plenty 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:24.360 of teams out there saying, hey, big fellow, you sure 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:25.800 you want to retire, Like we know you want to 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.200 go back there, but like come out here and please play. 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.520 And so that's why I say, like for him to 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:32.960 walk off. The only thing, the only thing that is 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:36.360 missing from his resume is that big dance, that big ring. 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.000 And like you said, when you think about him, you 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:42.880 think about Travis Frederick, you think about Zach Martin like 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.400 these guys, it's like the Great Wall, and it's like, 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:49.680 I'm happy that you played as long as you did. 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:51.400 I'm glad that you get to come back in here, 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:54.800 first ballot Hall of Famer. But it's certain guys that 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:58.000 deserve that ring. He's one of those guys where you're like, 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:00.320 you need that ring because. 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:01.800 Just of who the player he is. 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:06.240 So I talked to DeMarcus where afterwards, and DeMarcus Ware, 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:12.480 another cowboy great who left and played somewhere else the 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:14.880 end of his career, went to Denver won a Super 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:18.320 Bowl and I said, how, I said, were you seeing 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:21.600 this again? Another one of your teammates, great teammate with 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:26.400 Hall of Fame resume, didn't get to play in the 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:28.720 Super Bowl, didn't get to play in a championship game. 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:31.240 How tough is it? And he went into that and 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:33.960 just explained how because he got the ring. He said, Man, 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:36.839 it's hard. It is hard knowing that you didn't get that. 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:40.160 And I was fortunate enough to be on the field 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.880 in San Francisco and interviewed Dware after he won that 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:45.360 Super Bowl and seeing the emotions and everything that he 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.079 had in there, and for these guys to walk Away 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:49.920 and Zach Martin he spoke to it as well, Man, 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.600 it's disappointing. It is very disappointing. And so I asked 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:57.920 you guys this question, is it on the players? Are 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:01.560 we talking about management here? Because you're talking about here's 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:07.720 Zach Martin, go hall of famer, arguably one of the 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:09.600 five best guards to ever. 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:15.240 Play in the National Footballs, that dominant. 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.360 Travis Frederick, the numbers that they were able to put 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:21.000 up with an Ezekiel ELLOCTA. I mean, no Super Bowl 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:26.520 appearances at all, and that roster where you know d 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:29.720 Ware because d Ware was here, he was the guy 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:33.080 helping groom Dyron Smith when he got here. We're talking 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:38.520 about a collection of serious talent that they had that 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:41.440 provided no fruit. 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:46.720 Yeah, man, I'm gonna jump it off. You have to 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:49.960 go with management like it's the it's the hard it's 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:54.599 the hard sell because don't get me think about the 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:57.600 list of names that you just named. All those guys 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:00.079 are hall of famers, all on one team time and 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:04.120 Zach Martin, Dware at one point in time. Jason Witten 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:09.040 like ze like it's either management or coaching, but it 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:13.280 like you have the players there, you eventually you have 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:16.120 to get this scheme and you gotta run it like player. Yes, 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:18.360 I know players have to play and this and that, 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:21.760 but eventually you gotta put the system together. You gotta 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:24.640 bring the jail and the glue. It all has to 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:28.080 be cohesive and go together. And you tell me that 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.920 many intricate parts you couldn't even sniff a championship for 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:36.560 those guys like it's disappointed and so for me, yeah, 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:37.840 I'm gonna go with management. 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:42.439 Well, look, I'm gonna trust what you say because you've 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:44.040 been a part of teams that have made a run 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:46.280 towards the Super Bowl. May didn't close the deal, but 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:49.440 you know what it takes to be on those teams 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:52.560 to understand to get through that playoff run and to 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:56.120 also reach that point. For them to never have gotten 0:10:56.120 --> 0:11:00.280 to that point, to me, shows how the balance of 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:02.720 being healthy in the NFL, how it plays into guys 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:04.240 being able to go to a Super Bowl win a 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:06.640 super Bowl because you're beat up down the stretch. And 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:09.160 I think you take that for granted as a cowboy fan, 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:12.600 and cowboy fans have no empathy for excuses these days period. 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:16.080 But at the same time, it's like even with those 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:20.880 great teams, they didn't play their best when they needed 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:24.040 to be at their best. And you can put it 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:26.120 on management, you can put it on coaching, you can 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:27.840 put it on all these things. But if you have 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.480 the nucleus of teams and talent that you think can 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:33.440 get to that level and they don't, the onus sits 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:37.000 with the players. It sits with the players, and you say, guys, 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:40.040 you have to be bigger and better at these moments 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:44.480 because those are win champions are crowned. And that's just 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:48.600 I think you could say, hey, management, coaching didn't maybe 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:51.280 didn't give them enough, but what team is loaded at 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:54.000 every position? And I think for as long as the 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:56.640 Cowboys have had those guys, you would have thought, especially 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:59.640 the twenty sixteen, of all the years, you know, you 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:01.480 get that running back, go back to the catch, that 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:05.239 what all of those things play into why the Cowboys 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:09.319 didn't reach the NFC Championship, maybe didn't reach a Super Bowl. 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:12.480 And so it's it's being at your best when it's required. 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:14.400 I mean, this is true, and I love it. 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:16.560 I love when you talk like that, because yes, it 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:18.800 is being at your best, and yes, as a player, 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:21.400 you do got to make those plays. You know, that's 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:23.520 with the catch, you know, all this type of stuff, 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:26.760 like there's always an opportunity for a player to do 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:28.679 this and do that. But just like they tell us 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.280 when we go on field, the game doesn't come down 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:33.360 to one play. It doesn't come down this and that. 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.000 Can one play change the game? Sure, but I can 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.959 show you a list of things that happened beforehand and 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.360 back to you alluding to me being a part of 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:45.559 those teams that have made deep runs in the playoffs 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:48.000 and being a part of the San Francisco going to 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:53.200 the super Bowl. Yes, great players play, but the injury 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:56.320 bugs happen everywhere. That year that we want that year 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:58.480 that we went as seth friends went to the Super Bowl, 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:02.640 you had guys like me. You had the Solomon Thomas's, 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:04.720 you had the Ronnie Blairs that were coming off the 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:08.959 bench like no name, guys that were becoming household named 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:12.200 Travarius Moore like in the dB. And so I say 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.520 this to say that players are going to step up, 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:17.320 but you have to have somebody to lead you. You 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:20.880 have to have that ship schematically whatever it is. If 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:24.920 you're putting people in unorganized situations like that year when 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:27.600 we were in Sant France, you had a Kyle Shanahan 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:30.360 that was over there leading and coming out with different 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:33.760 ways to make the offense and include everybody. You had 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.520 a guy like Robert Solid that was your defensive coordinator, 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.360 that had a great scheme. But then he also put 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.800 other great coaches around him, Chris Case to motivate the 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:45.560 players to say, hey, it's not just one, it's on 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.520 all let everybody go. And so that's why I say 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:52.480 it's higher up as far as coaching and management. 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:53.319 So let me add this. 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:57.200 Then, Jason Garrett was a head coach when they drafted 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:59.840 Tyron Smith. Yes, and so a lot of those guys 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:03.160 there some of their primes with Jason Garrett as the 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.920 head coach. You pointed to Kyle Shanahan and how he 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:11.120 put people in proper positions. Are you saying Jason Garrett 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.880 should is where we should be looking at. 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:19.040 Here, Hey, put that pressure over twenty two core press. 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:21.240 Let me switch it up. 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.240 Are you going to say that you feel that Jason 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.040 Garrett is the same level of coach that Kyle Shanahan is. 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:27.560 His resume, I've been. 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:29.920 On record many times to say that I thought Jason 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.160 Garrett's tenure was a failure. 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:34.160 And I will agree with you on that. 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:36.560 And I thought there was too much talent that was 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:38.560 here that they didn't get enough. I thought the three 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:40.800 straight eight and eight seasons that he had should have 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:42.280 been enough that he never got another one. 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:43.960 But he got another one, and he got twelve and four. 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:49.520 The twenty sixteen game against the Green Bay Packers, you're 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.360 the number one seed, You're at home, came out flat 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.040 and then they finally got back in the game. Dak 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:57.760 Prescott went toe to toe with Aaron Rodgers, played just 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.680 as good a game and was fourth and twenty six 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:02.480 or something like that was it was. 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:07.120 A crazy fourth and forever. Yeah, and he hits a. 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:10.120 Rod hits Aaron. Jared Cook I was on the sidelines 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:11.680 with it. Hit like, oh my gosh, he just he 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.760 just completed that. Yeah, and the Packers go win the game. 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:18.960 These are opportunities failure. And I talked to one coach 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:23.280 who said we failed collectively, we failed as coaches, we 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:25.240 failed as a team, because he said, you don't get 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:28.240 that many opportunities in this league when you're a one 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:30.840 seat like that, and and the road is there for you, 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.360 and a lot of people forget the two seed that 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.320 year who went to the Super Bowl. 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:40.840 Dan Quinn's Atlanta Falcons who almost won it. So I 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:42.280 think that it is. 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:46.360 And here's why I'll say it's the players, because sometimes 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:50.800 you're going to have those great players who can overcome 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:52.640 the coaching or the coach draws up the play, but 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:54.120 the players just that good. 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:58.080 Yeah you know, you know on a fourth and twenty 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:00.400 six in Bury Church, un four, So he's. 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:07.000 Not here tell you what happened because he was there exactly. 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:10.880 And tell you exactly who was where the player who 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:13.280 didn't make the play they needed to. And that's why 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:17.040 I go, you can't have this many good players and 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:18.920 management drafted those players. 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.280 Yeah, management, And that's what I'm saying. 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:24.400 At some point in time, they all have to hit 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:28.560 on all cylinders in that front, from management to head coaching, 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:31.760 two players. We all have to believe and do something 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:34.480 because guess what, the players are not going to always hit, 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:37.160 just like the coaches aren't going to always hit, and 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:40.240 then management is not going to always hit. And that's 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:43.000 where it all comes there. So yes, that year they 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.320 had management bringing in the players. That year you had 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:48.920 the players doing what they're doing. Top offense. Number one, 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.840 see is the coaching. Like you can't say, hey, it's 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:54.440 the players and this and that, because if you have 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:57.560 a coach that said he comes in there, this team 0:16:57.720 --> 0:16:59.280 no way in hell was supposed to make it to 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:01.440 the playoffs, You're gonna be like, oh, well, guess what 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:04.080 management needs to do better with given the coach more 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:05.320 tools and stuff like that. 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:06.720 That's never been the problem. 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.399 So when you say players have to outplay that stuff 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:12.719 like eventually, like you said, when you get injured, you 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:15.760 have to be properly motivated. You have to Sometimes you 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:17.480 do need a raw rock guy. You need a guy, 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:20.520 You need a leader amongst men. And if you don't 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:23.479 have a leader amongst men, guess what you're wasting tools 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:26.560 and fuse suppose that Belichick's has. 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:27.080 A player's game. 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:30.920 And I think it is Philadelphia who made some coaching changes. 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.639 But Taquon Barkley shure enough covered up a whole lot. 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:37.080 And you know, that's it. That's it. I look at 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:40.920 you can go down and like, okay, you know, maybe 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:43.560 I'm biased. It covered a lot of wards some of 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:46.159 those same mistakes that you saw in San Diego. I mean, 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:49.359 for the Chargers, you didn't see those mistakes. Boy, what 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:52.320 a difference to Saquon Barkley makes. What a difference age, 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:55.560 What a difference a playmaker makes? And look, I think 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:57.520 you're all in the same boat and you and nobody's 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:59.720 wrong here. I don't feel like. I just feel like 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:04.480 when it comes down to championship, knowing that coach made 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:08.280 the difference this players and plays that make the difference. 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:11.159 And look, even going back to the Atlanta game, I 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:15.040 think the Atlanta game would be a classic mismanagement in 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:18.760 coaching the Atlanta super Bowl. Look, Shanahan, you had all 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:21.199 you have to do is run the ball man. 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:26.280 The man's had three times and those are the those 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:27.560 are the rare times. 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.040 Those are the rare times. If you go back and go, 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.960 how's it rare? If it's proven time and time again. 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.440 That don't get me wrong. Players, yes, they can make 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:38.600 these games. And like you said, nobody's wrong. But me, 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:41.520 being a former player, I'm going to be biased and say, yes, 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:44.960 players can have the ability to do that. But a 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:48.000 coach can't make or break the game by calling the 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:51.760 wrong play, doing the wrong thing, mexing up the momentum. 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:55.600 Super Bowl Pete Carroll on them. 0:18:54.760 --> 0:19:01.119 That's that's a classic, that's as made, he wrote. He 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:05.720 corrected his wrong years later. But I mean, like this 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:06.480 is what I'm saying. 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:09.159 Yes, as much as it is the player, you have 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:11.639 to have a great coach that's gonna motivate you, or 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:13.840 you have to have somebody in the front office and say, hey, 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:16.239 I believe in you as a player, if you need 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:18.480 to play outside the system, do whatever you need to 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:20.800 do to go win this game. As a coach, if 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:23.639 you're sitting over here and you say, hey, you're scared, 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:25.840 management want us to play this playing style and this 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:27.359 and that, and I need you to go do that, 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:29.840 and guess what. As a player, you're gonna say, let 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:31.600 me go do that. But if you have to worry 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.159 about certain things like that, and guess what, you can't. 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:37.720 If I got a Lamborghini, if I ain't putting the 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:39.560 right gas in there, guess what, it's still gonna run 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:40.600 and it's gonna be a lambo. 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:43.399 But eventually that lambo gonna shut down. Give me the 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:44.040 right gas. 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:46.080 That's gonna help me there, because guess what, I have 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:48.560