1 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: Well, for all of you here joining us, Thanks for 2 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: sitting down taking a few minutes of your time to 3 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: listen to an amazing conversation that I am excited about. 4 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: We're here in New York City at Fanatics Fest with 5 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: the one and only Hannah Storm, and of course, Hannah 6 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: has a tremendous podcast, NBA DNA with Hannah Storm. Hannah, 7 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: I've got to say, you have interviewed so many legends, 8 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: so many icons, Doctor j Charles Barkley, Rebecca Lobo, the 9 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: list goes on, but I feel most honored because now 10 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: I get to sit in interview a legend. 11 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like, thanks, thanks for having me, thanks 12 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 2: for lying. It's a lot harder. 13 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 3: Interview than to interview. So I'm on the other answer. 14 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: You know what, We're going to keep it that way 15 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: because we want to hear and that's been the amazing 16 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: part of NBA DNA. It's getting to hear your stories 17 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: and all that you've done and accomplished. And obviously your 18 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: resume speaks for itself, but more of it is about 19 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: the experience that you went through. That's what I love. 20 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: And we've talked a lot about so many different aspects 21 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: of your career. But this past year we've seen such 22 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: a tremendous boom in women's sports. 23 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: But in watching just. 24 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: Where it's at, and obviously you're around it. I've been 25 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: around it is so integral to me, the WNBA and 26 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: just the season that they've had. I want you to 27 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: take us back of nineteen ninety seven. You were a 28 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: part of the foundation that started this league, got it 29 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: to where it is. What was that like for you 30 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: at that time? 31 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 3: In some ways, I mean, it was really exciting, but 32 00:01:55,240 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 3: it was also somewhat terrifying. So I following the success 33 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 3: of the nineteen ninety six Olympic Games and the women's 34 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 3: team and their barnstorming tour, the David Stern was able 35 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 3: to convince the owners and everyone to sign off on 36 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 3: something that he wanted to do a passion project of his, 37 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 3: which was the WNBA and NBC had the NBA contract 38 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 3: at the time. Everybody remembers the NBA on NBC and 39 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 3: so the WNBA naturally was part of that. So we had, 40 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 3: you know, one or two really big games every week, 41 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:36,399 Speaker 3: and Dick Embersaw, who was a president of NBC Sports chairman, said. 42 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 2: I want you to do the play by play. 43 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 3: He wanted an all female broadcast team, which at the 44 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 3: time just wasn't It didn't exist. So myself Annie Meyers Drysdale, 45 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 3: total legend, and a woman named Lisa Malaski. 46 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 2: She was our sideline reporter. 47 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 3: A renowned features producer named Lisa Lax ran our production team. 48 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 3: So it was like women behind the camera and in front. 49 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 3: But having never done play by play, it was it 50 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 3: was really wild to. 51 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: Just gear up to that. 52 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 3: I had just had a baby and then I got 53 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 3: this assignment, which quickly followed because I was hosting and 54 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 3: covering the NBA at the time. 55 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 2: You know, the WNBA. 56 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 3: Season ramped up right after that, so it was a 57 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 3: lot to learn. I went and I did a couple 58 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 3: of games with this lovely woman. I went up to 59 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 3: the University of Connecticut. Her name was Doris Burke, and 60 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 3: I think she's done. 61 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 2: Okay in her career. 62 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 3: I just think it's so funny that that was the 63 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 3: first person that I sat down on to try to 64 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 3: call a game. I was terrible. She was amazing, of course, 65 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 3: and so nice. And then Marv Albert, who was a 66 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 3: voice of the NBA on NBC, really helped me out 67 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 3: so as I would do like practice games. 68 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: He would I. 69 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 3: Would send you know, you would watch my tapes and 70 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 3: we would talk on the phone and he would give me. 71 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 2: Advice for all of you listening. 72 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: The job of a play by play announcer to me 73 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: is just so the mechanics of it and the understanding 74 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: of what it takes, because you can listen to a 75 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: lot of games and the one. 76 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: Job that if someone is not. 77 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: Doing it in a way that is pleasing to the 78 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: you notice immediately. 79 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: It's so hard. It's so challenging. 80 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: So for individuals to me that are raw on television 81 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: or trying to figure out or I played basketball, so 82 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: jumping in an analyst rolling, Yes, there's levels to improvement, 83 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: but that to me is the hardest job that you 84 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: can try and figure out on the fly. 85 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 2: What did Marv tell you? 86 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 3: What were some of the ways that you tried to 87 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 3: figure out what it was to be here? So there's 88 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 3: you know, if you're listening on the radio to a 89 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 3: basketball game, you need to be super descriptive and really 90 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 3: talk a lot. But if you're calling a basketball game 91 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 3: on television, you know you need to be really cognizant 92 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 3: of what you're seeing, of the pictures that you're seeing 93 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 3: and understand that you don't have to overtalk over all 94 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 3: the you know, you don't have to go wall to 95 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 3: wall like you the audience to enjoy what they're seeing, 96 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 3: but you want to amplify that by is this person 97 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 3: in foul trouble or you know, wow, that was great, 98 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 3: or you know this cuts the lead you know to 99 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 3: to too or whatever it is, like, you almost want 100 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 3: to put yourself in the position of watching it with 101 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 3: your audience rather than you don't have to tell your 102 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 3: audience what's going on, because they're smart and they can 103 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 3: see it with their eyes. It's more really being additive 104 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 3: to the broadcast than it being about you. And so 105 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 3: I think that really sort of falls in line with 106 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 3: my broadcast philosophy anyway. 107 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 2: And so it was, uh, and he was. 108 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 3: A great you know, an economy of words is okay 109 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 3: when you're when you're calling play by play again unless 110 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 3: you're doing radio, and you know, I was intimidated by that. 111 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 3: I actually got an ulcer that summer as well, because yeah, 112 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 3: because I mean I had a new born and I 113 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 3: was traveling, and I was trying a new job, and 114 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 3: there was so much responsibility and pressure because I thought, 115 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 3: you know, we have to do a good job because 116 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 3: other women if we don't do a good job, like 117 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 3: other women aren't going to get this opportunity. So there 118 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 3: was just a lot of pressure, a lot of eyeballs 119 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 3: on it. It turned out really, really great. It was really fun, 120 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 3: and that atmosphere that you think of today in the WNBA, 121 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 3: that was the atmosphere back then. So it was like 122 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 3: sold out arenas, Madison Square Garden was going crazy. The 123 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 3: crowds in LA and Phoenix like everywhere were just they 124 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 3: were just phenomenal. 125 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 2: We were phenomenal, especially Houston. 126 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 3: They won the first four titles, and the Houston Summit, 127 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 3: which is where they played, was just fanatical for the comments. 128 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 3: Rockets had done well the two years that Michael Jordan retired, 129 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 3: so it was like the Rockets, the comments like Houston University, Houston, 130 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 3: like everything just became this like amazing basketball scene. 131 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 2: What's it like? 132 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: Are there any players that you called games of them 133 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: that you still talk to now or you talk about. 134 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 2: Them at all? Were some of your favorites? I did 135 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: a movie on Cheryl Swoops called Swoops and. 136 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 3: The thing that was cool about Cheryl Swoop So she 137 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 3: also had just had a baby. So she was one 138 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 3: of the faces of the WNBA, but she didn't even 139 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 3: start that season because she had her son, Jordan, named 140 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 3: after of course you know who. So I saw her 141 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 3: like working her way back to play, and she came 142 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 3: back like halfway through that season, and I was like, 143 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 3: and she could have. 144 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 2: A baby, come back and play at the WAB. I 145 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: could have a baby and do play by play like 146 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 2: let's go and so I. 147 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 3: Anyway, the movie I did on her later was really amazing. 148 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: She's an amazing human being. 149 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 3: And I talked to a ton of people from those days, 150 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 3: just a lot. 151 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. 152 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 3: The league today is built on the shoulders of all 153 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 3: those women who came first, and you know, in my mind, 154 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: they're incredible trail blazers. 155 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 2: They set the table for what we have today. 156 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: They are And that's so important to remember, is we're 157 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: looking at the jerseys, we're looking at just the faces 158 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: that we see in the social media aspect of it too. 159 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: I think, just see the ability to get to know 160 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: these players better. How have you I feel like you 161 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: have such a effervescent personality. You love the storytelling along 162 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: with the play, the performance. What have you thought of 163 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: a lot of now the players just their ability to 164 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: be themselves and to showcase their personalities and not just 165 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: on the floor, but in all aspects of their life. 166 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's really cool. 167 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 3: I think a lot about I feel like Angel Reeste 168 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 3: and such an amazing job of that in college. I 169 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 3: actually think the great thing about Nil and some of 170 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 3: the money that's coming into players at the college level 171 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 3: is that they understand, like from you know, before they 172 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 3: get to the pros, how to market themselves, and they're 173 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 3: very adept at it, and they're I mean, I love 174 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 3: the way like for instance, she didn't Angel Rees didn't 175 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 3: play in the Paris Olympics, but she was so relative 176 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 3: Like everything that she did during that Olympic break like 177 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 3: kept her front and center. So I think she's like 178 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 3: a genius with her brand, and obviously because she's such 179 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 3: a good player. Like, the interesting thing is, like you 180 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 3: could be a great brand ambassador. You know, you could 181 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 3: be you know, have a lot of great qualities that 182 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 3: people approach for influencers, but if you don't back that 183 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 3: up with your play on the court, eventually that goes away. 184 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 3: So to me, the most most effective are the people 185 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 3: who can do both and have the desire to do 186 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 3: both and the knowledge to do both. And I just 187 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 3: think these women that, especially coming out of college, are 188 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 3: very sophisticated. 189 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: They're business women. 190 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 3: They understand the whole game in every way and including 191 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 3: dealing with the media, you know what I mean. They're 192 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 3: like very savvy about that. So I love the way 193 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 3: that women and men are getting prepared at the collegiate 194 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 3: level for everything that's going to get thrown their way, 195 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 3: including opportunities at the professional level. And I do think 196 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 3: that's why we're seeing social media be so effective. Not 197 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 3: to mention the pregame fits, I mean, come on, I like, 198 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 3: can't I like literally cake it over? How like these 199 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 3: women dress. 200 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 2: Going into the games Like it's so awesome, it's unbelieva. 201 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 3: Everybody's like got their personality and their I'm like, you 202 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 3: want to wear George's you know, you want to wear 203 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 3: like a cool like little skirt dress, you want to 204 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 3: carry I love Brianna Stewart carrying her kids in the game, 205 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 3: Like it's just ah, I love that so fun. 206 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,599 Speaker 1: But I think that is showcasing personality, the ability to 207 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: have a freedom in allowing everyone to be their unique self. 208 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 2: You mentioned the Olympics, and we. 209 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: Saw such a enormous amount of passion, excitement, enthusiasm. Of 210 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 1: course we're talking about the women's side winning their eight 211 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: straight gold medal, the men and what they were able 212 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 1: to accomplish, the like Steph Curry Lebron on what they 213 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: look like at this point. But you were such a 214 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: pivotal person in those ninety two Olympics and how you 215 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: were able to cover it. Being about that team, the 216 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: Dream Team being probably the most famous team that we 217 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: know constructed to put together. 218 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 2: What are some of your favorite memory of that time? 219 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 3: I had to laugh because people are like, is this 220 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 3: team the greatest whatever? I was like, no, I'm sorry, 221 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 3: ninety two ninety two was always going to be the 222 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 3: greatest ever just because of the breadth the legends that 223 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 3: were on it. I mean, there were no like up 224 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 3: and coming talent on that team. I mean, everybody was 225 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 3: like a superstar. And then I covered ninety six as well, 226 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 3: and of course that's when the women, you know, really 227 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 3: emerged as a force. So I mean one of the 228 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 3: it's not really a memory from back then, but like 229 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 3: as part of this NBA DNA podcast, one of the 230 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 3: people that we interviewed with Steve Kerr, who obviously coached 231 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 3: this this Olympic team, And I hope you don't mind 232 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 3: if I jumped to that for a second. 233 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: So one of the things that we. 234 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 3: Talked about was the Warriors first championship was him coming 235 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 3: in and actually asking Andrea Godala, who we also interviewed 236 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 3: for the episode the Warriors episode, to come off the 237 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 3: bench because that was the best lineup because the Warriors 238 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 3: fell into this kind of called it the death lineup, 239 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 3: but it was this really small ball lineup and in 240 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 3: the end, that was how they were able to win 241 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 3: their first championship by switching their lineup up, and Andrea 242 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 3: Guidala actually won MVP, the only guy to win it 243 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 3: coming off the bench. So I thought of that so 244 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 3: much when these Olympics, when like Jason Tatum didn't play, 245 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 3: or Joel Embiid or you know, there was all this 246 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 3: oh my gosh, I can't believe Steve Kerr is not 247 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 3: starting this person or that person. But I love the 248 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 3: way that he and his staff mixed the lineups up 249 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 3: according to who they were playing, because that is so 250 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 3: true to the way that he is coached the Warriors 251 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 3: and coached them to their championships. 252 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 2: So I just felt like all of these. 253 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 3: Things kind of come come full circle right, like they 254 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 3: were really neat. So that was just that was just 255 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 3: to me very relevatory. And I appreciated the fact that 256 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 3: they had different lineups because I just, you know, you 257 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 3: just don't play guys just to play them. And I 258 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 3: mean back in the day in ninety two is crazy 259 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 3: what they did. Like Charles Barkley tells so many great 260 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 3: stories about going out at night. And Don Spurling, who 261 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 3: is the original NBA entertainment producer of Inside Stuff, told 262 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 3: a story about MJ. They played cards all night, which 263 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 3: they did every night. So he played cards all night, 264 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 3: he had to shoot early in the morning. He went 265 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 3: to his room, took a shower, was out of his room, 266 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 3: did the shoot for like let's say five let's say 267 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 3: like six to ten or whatever roughly or seven to ten. 268 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 3: Then he has the producer drop him off at a 269 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 3: golf course, who plays thirty six holes of golf. Then 270 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 3: he goes back, takes a shower, and plays in the 271 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 3: gold medal game. 272 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 2: So imagine that like all before the gold medal game 273 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: that day. Yeah, that's how like much energy. Yeah, like 274 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 2: he was like superhuman. 275 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 3: So I thought that was such a funny story because 276 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if if they can do 277 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 3: that now, but I mean that was what they were doing. 278 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 3: They were just you know, they had such a good 279 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 3: time together. 280 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what was yourn. 281 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 3: They played golf together, they played cards together, and they 282 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 3: were just I mean, it was just like they had 283 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 3: like crazy practices against each other. I mean it was 284 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 3: it was wild. What was your perspective on that? I 285 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 3: think so often too we see the global. 286 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: Game and how everyone's improved and the level of competitional talent. 287 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: But and so often it's talked about with teams and 288 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: other they spend so much time playing together and working 289 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: together as a team that allows them, that's right, a 290 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: greater amount of continuity. These players are the best in 291 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: the world. Ye they're tossing. What was it like seeing 292 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: the personalities It is some very dominant personality and. 293 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 3: Having covered the NBA and then you know, obviously before then, 294 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 3: you know, if you weren't a college player, you know 295 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 3: these were these were pros who hadn't had the opportunity 296 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 3: to win a gold medal. So the fact that they 297 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 3: were able to come together and accomplish something really and 298 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 3: really re establish the USA's dominance in the sport of basketball. 299 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 3: And but what that team did more importantly than anything else, 300 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 3: other than winning a gold medal and coming together and 301 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 3: being the greatest ever, was because that team was so 302 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 3: internationally popular. You had players like Dirk Novitsky growing up, 303 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 3: but he had a poster of Charles Barkley on his wall, right, 304 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 3: so you had. What the Dream Team did in ninety 305 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 3: two was take the NBA global, and that was also 306 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 3: David Stearn's vision, and he got the NBA in as 307 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 3: many television markets as he could around the world. But 308 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 3: that that is where this whole trend that you just 309 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 3: mentioned where so many of the NBA players were playing 310 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 3: for other countries and all that in the Olympics. Obviously, 311 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 3: the NBA is in incredibly international sport. That all started 312 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 3: with the Dream Team was the epicenter of that. And 313 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 3: that's probably honestly their most profound legacy. 314 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: And all of it is interwoven because you've mentioned it, 315 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: brought it up throughout it. It's crazy to think that 316 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: the NBA Finals used to be on tape to life. Okay, 317 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: that was and now but with the and began NBC 318 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: Inside Stuff. 319 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 2: Again you part we give. 320 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: I don't say it lightly that you are a legend, 321 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,239 Speaker 1: you are an icon, not just for what you accomplished 322 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: as but that's part of the game. 323 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: We love what we see. 324 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: What was that like during that time of knowing how 325 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: that changed the dynamic of what people felt how they 326 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: viewed the NBA at that time, And. 327 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 3: As you mentioned, was when they had the CBS contract, 328 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 3: before it came to NBC in the early nineties, everything 329 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 3: was on tape delay. So if you can imagine, like 330 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 3: some of the great comebacks you know in history, some 331 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 3: of the great games and everything, I mean, really you 332 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 3: know what I mean, people just didn't see it. 333 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 2: They didn't see it live. 334 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 3: And so when it came to NBC, David Stern invested, 335 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 3: He and Dick eversall invested really heavily. And how are 336 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 3: we going to tell stories? First of all, how are 337 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 3: we going to get people to care about our athletes? 338 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 3: So they started NBA Inside Stuff and they started doing videos, 339 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 3: music videos, I mean anything they could with you know, 340 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 3: Come Fly with Me was it is still one of 341 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 3: the biggest selling video of all time. They created NBA 342 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 3: Entertainment to have fans invest and get to know the 343 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 3: players and give them a platform, you know, because this 344 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 3: is all before social media obviously, way before. And then 345 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 3: you know the other thing we did is believe it 346 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 3: or not, if you can imagine this, we would go 347 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 3: into you're talking about the commissioner of the NBA and 348 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 3: then you're talking we did five games on a weekend, 349 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 3: a double header and a triple header every weekend on 350 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 3: on NBC. We would go into NBA headquarters, me Bob Cassas, 351 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 3: a Montershaw, Dick Eversol. We would sit down with David Stern. 352 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 3: We would have lunch in his office. We always had 353 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 3: turkey sandwiches and diet coke and chocolate chip cookies every time, 354 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 3: every time, every time, every time, and we literally would 355 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 3: go over the features that we were doing. We literally 356 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 3: would go over, here are you know, here's how we're 357 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 3: talking about this player, this is what we want to 358 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 3: get people to know about this team. 359 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 2: And blah blah. 360 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 3: We would like go over the whole game plan with 361 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 3: the commissioner of the NBA, which is insane. That's how 362 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 3: invested he was in. I'm not I'm just not going 363 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 3: to put it on live. I'm going to put it 364 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 3: on live in a way that I want to make 365 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 3: people care and and a lot of those A lot 366 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 3: of this happened pre Jordan becoming a superstar. So the 367 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 3: first team that really let like cameras in and let 368 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 3: people get to know them was the Detroit Pistons. So 369 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 3: that was the bat that Isaiah Thomas and Jumart you know, 370 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 3: the bad, bad Pistons, And they were the first. They 371 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 3: were the In fact, I remember going to even cover 372 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 3: the Pistons before I even came to NBC because they 373 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 3: were for some reason, like that team was like Okay, 374 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 3: let's go. We get it, we get it, like come 375 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 3: on in, here we go. And this was because Jordan 376 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 3: he couldn't beat the Pistons, right, So it took a 377 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 3: while right for him to get past that and become 378 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 3: the you. 379 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 2: Know, super super superstar that he was. So isn't that funny? 380 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: And it's so interesting to think because now and again 381 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: with social media, with team contents, you see all of 382 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: that players are used to that, players are used to 383 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: showing up in what they need to. 384 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 2: Do to kind of service this growth. 385 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: But back then with players, how long did it take 386 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: for them to get comfortable with cameras. 387 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 2: With they would end up just they wanted to do that. 388 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 3: So now it's like, you know, I think athletes prefer 389 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 3: to most of them just make their own narrative and 390 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 3: get out there on social media and do it do 391 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 3: it their way, right, And I really respect that because 392 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 3: there's no filter there. No one's gonna edit your words, 393 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 3: no one's going to you know, portray you in any 394 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 3: way other than you giving that direct message. 395 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 2: So I think that's really cool. 396 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, But back then, if you wanted exposure, okay, you 397 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 3: would have to sit down and do that interview with NBC. 398 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 3: You would have to do a feature on inside stuff. 399 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 3: You know, you would have to participate in those kinds 400 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 3: of things. And frankly, the league encourage that because they're 401 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 3: like the America has to care about you guys, like 402 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 3: they have to get invested in all of the super stars. 403 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 3: So when you think about that era of basketball, you 404 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 3: can name so many players from so many different teams 405 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 3: that you know, Barkley and the Mailman and you know, 406 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, you know, it wasn't just like, 407 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 3: it wasn't just the Bulls, even even though like now, 408 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 3: if you watch the Last Dance, you're thinking like the 409 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 3: nineties or all the bulls, you know, came the dream 410 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 3: Clyde Drexler. I mean, there were stars everywhere and the league. 411 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 2: Made sure that they were telling their stories. 412 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: So you bring up Clyde Drexler, you talk about but 413 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: inviting cameras, there's probably one time that a camera was. 414 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 2: Maybe not wanted. 415 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: You did an amazing podcast talking about pat Riley and 416 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: that brutal, brutal Game seven loss that the Knicks had 417 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: to the Rockets, to the Rockets, but you were part 418 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 1: of following him into the locker room after the loss 419 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: with a camera. Yeah, I can't even imagine that would 420 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: be challenging as is, but an individual like, please know, 421 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: please take us. 422 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 2: Into your shoes, your head. 423 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 3: Obviously, obviously, pat Riley is an iconic figure and still 424 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 3: is in the sport of basketball. I mean, when he 425 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 3: has done running the Miami heat is just incredible. You 426 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 3: talk about three franchises, his legacy through the Lakers, the Knicks. 427 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 3: That heat is just unparalleled. 428 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 2: It really is. 429 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 3: So he had gone from the sort of Vermani claud 430 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 3: you know, slick guy with the Lakers and came to 431 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 3: the Knicks and was like I'm getting down to business 432 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 3: here in New York, like we we are going to 433 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 3: win a championship here. 434 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 2: And you know, he was intimidating. 435 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 3: And I've interviewed him a lot, and he was, you know, 436 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 3: chasing him down the halls of Masson Square Garden or wherever, 437 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 3: like at halftime, you know, and he was like very serious, 438 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 3: you know, very intimidating. Really didn't want to do that interview, 439 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 3: even though he is a great he's a great guy. 440 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 3: But you know, I mean those coaches who have to 441 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 3: do interviews at halftime. I mean, we know, oh, like. 442 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 2: Greg Pap, I'm gonna chase that too. Like I wouldn't 443 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 2: want to do it. 444 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 3: If I was a coach, I would be like, no, 445 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 3: thank you. But anyway, back then, we were about ready 446 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 3: to go off the air, and he had left John 447 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 3: Starks in the game, and I think stark cy was like, 448 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 3: who I love, Who's a dear friend of mine. I 449 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 3: want to say it was like three for seventeen or 450 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 3: something like that. I could be off, and he just 451 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 3: let him in the game, and he kept shooting and 452 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 3: shooting and shooting, and the Knicks loss came seven, and 453 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 3: so my boss was like, we're going off the air, 454 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 3: this is our last commercial break. When we come back, you, 455 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 3: I'm sending you in a camera to the Knicks locker 456 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 3: room because Pat and the they like exited the court. 457 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 3: They went in, they closed the doors, you know, no 458 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 3: postgame interviews. 459 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 2: He goes you, we're going to turn the. 460 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 3: Camera on live and you're gonna go in that locker 461 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 3: room and ask him why he left John Starks in 462 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 3: the game. 463 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 2: And I was like, I was like, oh, my god, 464 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 2: like my career, little nervous running back. Oh, either pat. 465 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 3: Riley's gonna kill me or my boss is gonna kill me. 466 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 3: But since my boss pays me, I think I'm gonna 467 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 3: think I'm gonna go that route. So sure enough, we 468 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,719 Speaker 3: come out of break, I have like two or three minutes. 469 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 3: Bob Cossus is like, no, I was going to hit 470 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 3: a store outside the locker room. The light turns on. 471 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 3: I'm like literally standing outside the room. I opened the 472 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 3: door and I look in and like, no one's in 473 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 3: like the main locker room, but I see there's another door. 474 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 3: I'm like, they got to be in there. So I'm like, 475 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 3: I'm here in the next locker room looking for coach 476 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 3: Pat Rowley. So I opened the door, and as I 477 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 3: opened the door, I go, coach Riley, we're. 478 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: Live on the air, just so yeah, you know, I'm 479 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: like small live. 480 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 3: He was like, okay, stands up, ask him two questions. 481 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 3: You know, he was great, thanks, coach. Back to you, Bob, 482 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 3: three two one. The Rockets were in the final, were 483 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 3: off air, and it was like it was absolutely terrifying. 484 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 3: But afterwards I saw my boss and he stood up 485 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 3: and he was like, yeah, good job. 486 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 2: Good girl. 487 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 3: Oh my thanks a lot, because yeah, I mean, you know, 488 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 3: I have a lot of experience interviewing the winning team, 489 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 3: but also a lot of experience interviewing the. 490 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 2: Losing team, and you know, those are the hard ones 491 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 2: to do that. 492 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure you know you've done that before. His there 493 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: been other Have you felt intimidated? What's your approach to 494 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: different interviews? Do you you know what's going to be 495 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: a challenging circumstance, how do you feel and how do 496 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 1: you handle that? 497 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 3: No, I just I'm always like probably over prepared for interviews, 498 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 3: so when I go in, I'm just kind of ready 499 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 3: for anything, you know, because you never know what's going 500 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 3: to happen. I mean, I remember the Braves winning the 501 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 3: World Series and like I was in the locker room 502 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 3: and like Ted Turner's in there, and like he's trying 503 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 3: to take the microphone, and like there's like Champagne everywhere, 504 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 3: and it's like in my eyes, like I. 505 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 2: Can't see it, like absolutely chaos. You know, it's crazy. 506 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,479 Speaker 3: So I mean you can go in and think, oh, 507 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask questions abc DN, and then you could 508 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 3: just go in and it could just be a total 509 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 3: mad house, you know, anytime, like because we used to 510 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 3: do all all the winning interviews in locker rooms, so 511 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 3: you would always be in a you know, for every 512 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 3: game clin situation. I wore the same jacket because champagne 513 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 3: dissolves the. 514 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 2: Glue in fabric. 515 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 3: So I learned my lesson wearing like nice you know, 516 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 3: nice suits and stuff, because once Champagne hits your hits 517 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 3: your clothing, it like shrinks up and it's ruined and 518 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 3: you have to throw it away. So I had this 519 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 3: one red jacket that I took like for years to 520 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 3: every game clinching situation because it was like indestructible and 521 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 3: you know, sure enough if somebody won a game, you 522 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 3: would end up in the locker room Champagne flying insanity, 523 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 3: crazy grabbing bodies. 524 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 2: And all of that and interviewing. 525 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 3: I mean, it's a super cool atmosphere, but it's absolutely wild. 526 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: With that being said, because you talk about your bosses, 527 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: you talk about these interviews you we've mentioned with the WNBA, 528 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: those that laid the foundation for to be where it's at. 529 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 2: I would not be. 530 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: Sitting here doing what I'm doing. I would not have 531 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: the job the roles I have if not for you. 532 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, and not for me. 533 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 1: You mentioned you indors Burke, there is no way. Every 534 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: time I see her, I think her, and I mean 535 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: it from my heart because we have so many women 536 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: that we watch in the media now covering sports and 537 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: it's a so cool it's no. 538 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: Longer an anomaly. 539 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: And so I think about back and how you paved 540 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: the way. Who were some of the people that believed 541 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 1: in you first, that understood you know what we're going 542 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 1: to put you in situation. You've talked about so many 543 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: situations that now were first for anyone, let alone for 544 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: a female. Who were some of those people and what 545 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: allowed you to realize that they're going to put me 546 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: in circumstances because they know that I will come through 547 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: in successful ways. 548 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 2: Well, I mean I was the first female. 549 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 3: So CNN used to be ESPN's biggest competitor, CNN Sports, 550 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 3: so we used to go head to head at night 551 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 3: with our sports cast, believe it or not, which sounds 552 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 3: so weird today, but CNN Sports was a thing, So 553 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 3: I would say like Bill McPhail Jim Walton at CNN 554 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 3: who hired me and made me the first ever female 555 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 3: anchor there, And then Dick Eversall at NBC was an insomniac, 556 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 3: and he would I used to go on at two 557 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 3: in the morning, not even at eleven at night, Like 558 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 3: my shift was like at two in the morning, which 559 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,719 Speaker 3: was live at eleven on the West Coast, but it 560 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 3: was two in the morning, and he watched me all 561 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 3: the time. So he is the one who hired me, 562 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 3: started giving me roles that like women had never had. 563 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 3: A woman had never hosted North American sports major sports. 564 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 3: So I hosted like the Baseball Network, I hosted Olympics, 565 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 3: I hosted Wimbledon. I hosted the NBA on NBC when 566 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 3: Costas wasn't hosting, And then you know, I hosted and 567 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 3: he did play by play. I mean we both kind 568 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 3: of did a variety of roles there. Yeah, and he 569 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 3: is the one who gave me like basically every opportunity 570 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 3: at NBC for ten years. So that's like kind of 571 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 3: the iconic like estap. I mean, CNN was big, but 572 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 3: then NBA, see was really really where I really cut 573 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 3: my teeth with like major major leagues. 574 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: When you think about so many young people out here, 575 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,239 Speaker 1: those listening are those that love sports. They don't have 576 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 1: to be young, it's never too late, but that aspire 577 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 1: to have a career in sports. 578 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 2: What's some of the biggest pieces of advice. 579 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: That you think about that you would give in framing 580 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: what it has taken. 581 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 3: I mean, this is super obvious, but I always I mean, 582 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 3: work hard is my number one piece of advice for 583 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 3: any person in any profession. There's literally no substitute for it, 584 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 3: and I hate to say that, there's no way around it. 585 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 2: Like to be truly successful. 586 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 3: That's why I would say, pick something that really interests 587 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 3: you and that you really like and that you're going 588 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 3: to devote a lot of time and energy to. The 589 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 3: Other thing I think is to take chances and push 590 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 3: yourself to do things that make you uncomfortable at times. 591 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 3: So if you don't know something like I remember my 592 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 3: first team full time TV was in Charlotte and they're 593 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 3: like NASCAR Country, and I was like, what's NASCAR? 594 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 2: Basically? You know what I mean? 595 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 3: I covered like I was coming from Houston basketball football, 596 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 3: you know, I'm like NASCAR, but I wanted to get 597 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 3: on TV full time and I was like, you know what, 598 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 3: sports is not brain surgery, Like you can learn anything. 599 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 3: And I ended up posting NASCAR specials and being deep 600 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 3: into NASCAR, and late I've done NASCAR like films, you know, 601 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 3: since then, Like I definitely like immersed myself in that 602 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 3: and learned it. 603 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 2: And then I. 604 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 3: Had the opportunity to do play by play for the WNBA. 605 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 3: I also a few years ago became the first woman 606 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 3: ever to do NFL play by play for an entire 607 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 3: season for Amazon, which I did for four seasons with 608 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 3: Andrea Kramer Foot. That was terrifying, you know what I mean. 609 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,719 Speaker 3: So sometimes you're gonna get opportunities you're gonna be like, well, 610 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 3: I don't know if I can do that, or that 611 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 3: seems a little intimidating or that's not something I really know. 612 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 3: But you have to understand that you can get there 613 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 3: because you are motivated. You are smart. You can ask 614 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 3: questions and that's okay. 615 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 2: You can do your homework. 616 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 3: I mean I've read listen when there were like preview, 617 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 3: you know, football previews for this right now, like seasons past, 618 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 3: I would be in all those magazines reading about every team, 619 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 3: just like with my highlighter Football for Dummies, like anything, 620 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 3: you know, any day I get my hands on, like 621 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 3: to prepare when I do the New York Marathon, like 622 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 3: what I do to repair. It's in the scene make 623 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 3: like big notebooks. Now are you going to use like 624 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,719 Speaker 3: that much of it? Sure, but at least when you 625 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 3: show up, you're going to be like, ah, okay, I 626 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 3: did on my own work. I'm prepared for whatever happens, 627 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 3: and whatever happens, I'm gonna be calm because I know 628 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 3: I did as much as much as I possibly could. 629 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 2: So just for me, that's my comfort level. 630 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: For all things in life. We can prepare and we 631 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: can be set. 632 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 2: But when you're. 633 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: Trying new things, when you're do and it doesn't go 634 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: the way you hoped or the way you plan, how 635 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: do you how do you? I feel like that's advice 636 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: that everyone needs in every circumstance. 637 00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 2: How do you handle that? 638 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 3: I mean, there's things that happened that are beyond your control. 639 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 3: And as long as you tell yourself and you think back, Okay, 640 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 3: did I do everything I could to prepare for this moment? 641 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 2: Yes? Did things go the way I hope? 642 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 3: No? 643 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 2: Why not? 644 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 3: What can I do better next time? And just understand 645 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 3: that your life and your job, and it's like a marathon. 646 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 2: It's like a long journey, a long runway. 647 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 3: And even though at times in the moment you might 648 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 3: feel like, oh my god, that was so horrible, or 649 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 3: oh I did this or I did that, you know, 650 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 3: you just you have to tell yourself like deep breath, 651 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 3: or there's always another game, you know. And really think 652 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 3: about athletes, and I've always envisioned being a baseball player 653 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 3: because if you're a really good hitter, you're only connecting 654 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 3: with the ball maybe one out of every four times 655 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 3: or one out of every three times. I mean, if 656 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 3: you're fabulous, right, so you're failing to connect with the 657 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 3: baseball at the plate the majority of the time. So 658 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 3: are you not going to get up there and try 659 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 3: to hit the baseball again? 660 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 2: Of course not. 661 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 3: So you can't think or you look at a quarterback like, 662 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 3: oh my god, what if you threw an interception or 663 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 3: are you just going to go out there and like 664 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 3: not throw the ball to anybody the rest of the game, 665 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 3: of course not. 666 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 2: So. 667 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 3: I think sports are really is a really good, like 668 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 3: sort of life lesson in that regard when you look 669 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 3: at most of the times you're failing to do something, 670 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 3: and it's those times when you do connect when things 671 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 3: do go well, yay, you know, we win the game 672 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 3: or whatever, or. 673 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 2: People go through slumps too. 674 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 3: So I think you just, you know, really understand that 675 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 3: failure is a huge part of success and that you 676 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 3: can't have success if you're not failing it. 677 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 2: Just the two go hand in hand. 678 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 3: So try to be philosophical about it and try not 679 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 3: to get an ulser like I did. 680 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 2: Oh, Hannah, you are. 681 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to say it again, thank you who you 682 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: are for what you've done for all of your time 683 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: always because so many of us wouldn't have the opportunities 684 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: to do. And I was gonna say, I could talk 685 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: to you for hours and hours, but lucky for us, 686 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: we can listen to NBA DNA with Hannah Storm and 687 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: then hear all your stories yeah a few hours. 688 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 2: Ago, and it's really fun. 689 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 3: It's documentary style, so it's really good storytelling. And I 690 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 3: just really appreciate iHeart because they took this project with 691 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 3: the NBA. I wrote an essay and they were like, 692 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 3: you know what, I think we can make something out 693 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 3: of this. And just everybody, Jason, Julia, the entire team, Peter, 694 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 3: I mean, they're just they've just been incredible. And you 695 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 3: were the first person I did an interview with to 696 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 3: promote the podcast We're Gonna You. 697 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 2: Are the best. 698 00:33:47,960 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: Thank you, Hannah