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Nerve damage in his elbow ended Tony's 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:32.720 pro football career. But he's thriving in sports broadcasting, hosting 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:36.560 a daily three hour show on ESPN fifteen thirty and 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:41.200 serving as the sideline reporter on University of Cincinnati football broadcasts. 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:46.560 We spoke this week about free agency, the draft, coaching changes, 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:50.760 and much more. Tony with a perspective of a former 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:54.160 NFL quarterback, and I have your number sixteen Carolina Panthers 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.839 jersey on my family room wall. Did I hear you 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:01.800 say on your radio show this week that Joe Burrow 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:06.640 is better than two time MVP and three times Super 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:08.720 Bowl champ Patrick Mahomes? 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:11.919 I did you know? I watched the Super Bowl, as 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:15.919 many of us did, in the lens of the pressure 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:19.799 that Patrick Mahomes was under. And it's a pressure that 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:23.440 I watched a lot this year because I feel like 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.919 Joe Burrow was under a lot of that pressure, and 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:29.880 in that pressure, Joe Burrow did something he's never done before. 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.000 The statistics that he laid out this season while not 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:36.600 being protected at all times was something I've never seen before. 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:40.560 And to see someone regarded as one of the greatest 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:44.360 to play the position, one that's pushing Tom Brady to 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:49.240 watch Patrick Mahomes so unsettled by the pressure that was 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:53.720 around him. It made me appreciate Joe Burrow's greatness even 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:57.440 more now. If you go into every category of what 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:00.560 they do as quarterbacks, you know, you're surrounding are a 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:02.360 big part of it. You're coaching is a big part 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:05.320 of it. But what I saw Joe Burrow do this 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:10.640 year with pressure around him, it's not easy to do. 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.960 It's very easy to do what Mahomes did to create ghosts, 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:16.800 to have the feet that are all over the place, 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:21.120 that's natural for pretty much every quarterback. Joe Burrow doesn't 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:23.599 do that. He gets hit, he gets back up. He 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.000 gets hit, he gets back up, he goes through his reads. 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:30.520 That's so hard to do mentally, and it's something that 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:32.000 I haven't seen before, and you saw it in the 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:32.520 Super Bowl. 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.800 Was Joe like that in Week one against New England? 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:39.279 And then did he get over it after one game? 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:41.960 I think so? And I think a lot of it 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.680 for Joe was the injury. You know, when you come 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:46.440 back from not just the risk, but he's come back 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:49.400 from a major knee injury before. I think it takes 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.479 getting hit. Joe himself has talked a lot about preseason 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:56.240 right and getting hit and getting comfortable. I think it 0:04:56.279 --> 0:05:00.200 took him having a bad game against the Patriots to 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:04.040 to understand where he was at physically, and from there 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:08.080 he was fantastic. I don't think that you get that 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:11.080 week one Joe Burrow had he not been coming off 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:13.719 of the injury with so many unknowns of how the 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:16.160 risk was gonna respond, It was a talking point every 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.840 single day. I think it took some getting used to it, 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:20.080 and he got used to it quick. 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.600 All right, Tony, you've been talking about the Bengals offseason 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:25.960 topics five days a week and since he three p 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.960 sixty on ESPN fifteen thirty. So let me hit you 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:32.120 on some of the key topics, starting with T Higgins. 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:36.839 Should the Bengals spend basically whatever it takes to extend 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:40.559 Jamar Chase and T Higgins or would they be better 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:44.640 off to tag and trade Tea for a high draft 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:47.600 pick and use that money on other positions. 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.360 Well, first, I would like to personally thank Joe Burrow 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:54.240 for two and a half months of content that I 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.839 didn't bank on having. It was so weird, like you 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:58.800 just went through the season like this is it for Tea, 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.760 This is gonna hop and then you hear Joe Burrow 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:04.440 speak out, and I think it was calculated. I think 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:07.760 every time Joe has spoken since then, it's been calculated. 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:10.680 I'm biased from a former quarterback. I want the weapons, 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.640 and I think this discussion goes in a different way. 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:16.640 If there was a more clear cut path at who 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:20.080 the number two would be? Did Yosi Vas take a 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:23.680 big enough step? Obviously we know what Jermaine Burton's first 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.560 year was. I don't think there's a clear number two, 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:30.240 which I think puts more pressure on T Higgins coming back. 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:32.880 But so much of the argument is watching the Super Bowl, 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:34.880 and it's a fair one. You've got to make sure 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:37.800 your offensive defensive lines are where they need to be. 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:41.640 Philly was so dominant, But a counter to that would 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:43.880 be Kansas City didn't have an answer. They don't have 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:46.800 a Jamar Chase, they don't have a T Higgins. Travis 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.839 Kelcey's at the end of his career. I look at 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:53.920 at the weaponry of Joe Burrow as another opportunity to 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:58.159 maybe get around other deficiencies, maybe some deficiencies up front. 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:01.479 It's hard to guard Jamar Chase and T Higgins and 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:05.240 Joe spoke about that T doesn't just benefit him. T 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.800 Higgins benefits what Jamoar Chase does as well, because if 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.520 you're going to send the double team to Jamaar Chase, 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.360 you're going to single out T Higgins. Teams have paid 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:16.960 for that, and they've paid for that dearly. I think 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:19.960 the pressure from Joe Burrow and being a quarterback that 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.920 played the game, I'm signing T. Higgins. I'm finding a way. 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:25.600 I know it's not going to be easy to do, 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.720 but T Higgins doesn't walk in the door every day. 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:31.720 You can't just replenish and replace T. Higgins with another 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:35.960 second round draft pick. I think T allows them to 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:39.480 have a clearer picture of free agency and the draft 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:40.560 and where they need to operate. 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:43.360 I want to follow up on what you said about 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:46.520 Joe Burrow's public comments because I said publicly for the 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:49.280 first three months of the season last year, I assume 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:52.280 that T would play one final year in Cincinnati on 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:55.080 the tag and then sign elsewhere as a free agent, 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:58.240 and the Bengals would get a third round compensatory pick 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:01.360 if that happened. And then after that Dallas game in 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:05.880 early December, Joe said quote, I'm confident that we're going 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:07.320 to be able to do what it takes to bring 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.880 Tea back. And then a couple of days later he 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:13.160 referred to Tea as a need, and at that point 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:17.960 my thinking completely changed from ten percent likely to at 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:23.280 least fifty to fifty. Did your mindset change following those 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:24.680 comments immediately? 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:26.960 And it wasn't as much right after the Dallas game. 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:30.720 It was Tea's a need, not a want, because every 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:35.760 quarterback wants the complimentary weapons. Every quarterback wants three star receivers, 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:38.920 two star receivers, a good running game. When you throw 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:44.880 the term need, and I view everything Joe says as calculated. 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.559 You covered Aj Green as a Cincinnati Bengal. AJ didn't 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:52.079 talk much. When he talked, you listened, and I think, 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:55.000 here you have the franchise player in Joe Burrow. He's 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:57.360 going to go down as the greatest, if not one 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:00.360 of the greatest Bengals of all time. When he wes 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:03.800 you listen and to not just end it there. He 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:05.840 could have sent it at Dallas. He could have said 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:09.120 he's in need and move on. Every time he has 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:13.280 spoken since then, it has been about t Higgins. It's 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.559 been about Trey Hendrickson. It's been about Jamar Chase. You've 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.079 got to compliment Mike Kasicki for getting his name thrown 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:22.320 in there with Joe Burrow. But he is he is 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:25.400 putting the in basketball terms, he's put the full court 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:29.679 pressure on. And when your franchise player is doing that 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:32.080 and using the term need for me, it's shifted right 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.360 then and there. And I was in your boat. I was. 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:38.560 I was playing out this season appreciating everything T Higgins 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:41.560 has done and wondering how they were going to fill 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.840 those those shoes to well, they got to find a 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:48.240 way to bring him back completely. Now, if you're the Bengals, we. 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.320 Are visiting with Tony Pike, former uc An NFL quarterback 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:53.160 now the host of Since He three to sixty on 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:57.760 ESPN fifteen thirty and Cincinnati. Do you think that T 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:01.960 has to be willing to take a little less to 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:02.960 make this happen. 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.680 He does, And that was the only part that unsettled 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.200 me a little bit. The night of the Super Bowl, 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:13.319 he spoke publicly and said, I want to do it, 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.280 but it's out of my hands. There is an agent 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:18.360 that comes into play here. And I know chad Ocho 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:21.520 Cinko had the comments as well as I want Tea here, 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:23.840 but I want Tea to get what he deserves. I mean, 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:27.440 you think about the Max deal. You work your whole 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:29.280 life for that. You work your whole life for not 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:32.640 only you, but your family and your family's family and 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:36.120 generations to recoup some of that wealth as well. And 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.840 it's hard to ask a player when he's getting ready 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.400 to cash in to take less. But I think there 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.240 are valuable things to t Higgins. I think playing with 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:47.120 Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow is valuable. I think the 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:49.160 love of the city of Cincinnati. I think there's a 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:52.480 genuine love in Cincinnati. I think you can find ways 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:58.120 if you're Tea's agent or representing company to maybe cash 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:01.559 in more in the city of Cincinnati. Endorsements and things 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:04.280 like that that maybe you can't make up in the contract. 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:06.320 But yeah, you're not going to be able to go 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:08.360 give a Max to Jamar and a Max to Tea 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.520 and the money. The money has to come from somewhere. 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:14.360 There's going to have to be a little give. I 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:18.280 think the creativity on how you find that money from, 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:21.360 whether that's the organization or his agent himself, I think 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:23.559 that's a lot to weigh for T. Higgins. But the 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:27.800 term it's out of my hands is a little unsettling. 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:31.679 And also not true in my opinion. It's ultimately in 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:32.160 his hand. 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:33.840 He's going to sign off on them. 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:37.439 Yeah. Sure, the agent is going to give him advice 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:40.280 and what he should do. But if t ultimately wants 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:43.960 to not mess with Happy, you know, it's not a 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:47.680 hometown discount, it's a not mess with happiness discount. Sure, 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:48.880 and it is in his hands. 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:51.800 And I think for t you do have the ability 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.120 to extend your career. You have the ability to put 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:57.599 up really good numbers because Joe Burrows throwing you the 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.480 ball and Jamar Chase is going to bepposite of you. 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:03.920 I don't think you can quantify that in dollars. I 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:07.480 think you quantify that in another contract down the road, 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:11.080 because you're going to be a talking point going forward, 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.360 because your numbers are always going to be there because 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:15.520 teams have to respect everything else on the roster. 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:21.160 Let's turn to Trey Hendrickson. He turned thirty on December fifth, 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:25.600 better known as Pike Pike to Bin's Day. Thanks to 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:29.360 some of us, it certainly doesn't look like Trey is 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:31.600 getting old. He said seventeen and a half sacks each 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.760 of the last two years. What should the Bengals do 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:36.120 with Trey Hendrickson. 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:40.400 It's such a hard prospect for me on Trey Hendrickson 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:43.040 because he had seventeen and a half sacks and the 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:46.640 defense still ranks so low in so many categories. That 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:50.280 tells you that Trey alone cannot get the job done. 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:52.040 Some of the factors that play in. You have Al 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:56.200 Golden now the defensive coordinator. What does Al Golden's role 0:12:56.600 --> 0:13:00.360 represent to Trey Hendrickson. I think in Trey Hendrickson's fitness, 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.480 Trey Hendrickson maybe hurts himself at times because he's not 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:05.920 a guy that lines up on both sides. He's not 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:07.960 a guy that moves to the interior part of the 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:10.800 defensive line, doesn't get his hands on a ton of passes, 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:16.160 doesn't excel it, doesn't have above average numbers against the run. 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.200 He's just great at getting after the passer. And I 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:21.720 think that makes it a little bit harder when you 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:26.320 think about the future. Can Trey Hendrickson replicate that? And 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:29.640 if Trey Hendrickson were to replicate that, does it still 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:33.160 mean the defense is successful or better than what it's 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:36.320 been That to me is the most interesting storyline here. 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:41.320 You have to decide is Trey Hendrickson enough alone to 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:43.040 get you back to the spot. I know the money 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.199 can be there for everyone. You got a lot of 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.720 holes on the defensive side of the ball. We just 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.360 saw in the Super Bowl. We've already highlighted it what 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:53.560 a defensive line as a whole with depth can do 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.200 to one of the greatest quarterbacks to play the game. 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:58.160 I think you got to look at it from the 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:00.239 top down. You got to look at it in the secondary, 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:02.839 you got to look at the linebacker level. You got 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.720 to look at it. If it's me. I pay really 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:08.839 close attention to what happens with Miles Garrett because I 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:12.080 think there's seven or eight teams that are legitimate, viable 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:15.079 options for Miles Garrett that a Miles Garrett makes them 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:18.880 an immediate contender. And if those teams strike out, I 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:21.680 may at least reach out and say, what when you 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.600 miss Miles Garrett, what does Trey Hendrickson's value mean to you? 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:27.600 I think, at least if I'm the Bengals, I'm doing that, 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.880 which means I can slow play it a little bit 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:33.800 more to wait and see what pans out with Miles Garrett. 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:37.680 That's how I would play it, because you can't replenish 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.480 seventeen and a half sacks, but you also have a 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:42.080 ton of holes that need to be filled on the 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:45.680 defense if you want to be considered a Super Bowl 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:46.480 contending roster. 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:51.040 As a former NFL player, what about the notion of 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:55.040 keeping your stars and the message that sends to everybody else. 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:59.000 It's hard, and I think it sends a message that 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.520 if you work to become one of those stars, you're 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:03.840 going to be valued in that sense. So I do 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.040 think it puts a little bit on the players to 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:08.720 maybe want to work a little bit harder. It also 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:12.240 puts a huge emphasis on the draft, right of Okay, 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:14.960 you need to get successful players in the draft, you 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:18.280 need to draft starters, but you also incentivize those players 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:21.480 and say, hey, if in three, four, five years you're 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:24.400 a player that has become a cornerstone of this team, 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:26.920 we're going to keep you around. And I think there's 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.640 a value to that because we've seen players in the 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:32.560 past that have moved on after their first contract with 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:35.120 the Cincinnati Bengals. So yeah, I think there is a 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:38.040 message that's sent to the locker room I also worry 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:41.240 on the opposite of negative messages that can be sent 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.480 if players are unhappy, What that does to a culture, 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:48.120 what that does to a locker room, just the dynamics 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:50.920 that it brings. I don't think that Jamar Chase situation 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.320 was avoidable, and I don't think Jamar was in the fault. 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:56.040 I don't think the Bengals were in the fault. But 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:58.560 it just created a circus in the locker room every 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:01.600 single day of training camp, and I think that wears 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:04.320 on you as well. So I think the culture aspect 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:06.480 is one that's viable here as well. 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:10.760 Tony. On Wednesday of this week, Jermaine Pratt requested a trade. 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.360 It seems to me that before that news came out, 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:17.040 a lot of people were suggesting that the Bengals should 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.400 cut him to save money. It would be about six 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:23.040 million dollars in cap space. After that news came out, 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:25.920 he seemed to get more valuable in the minds of 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.960 the public. The New York Post said today he will 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.160 be a hot commodity. What kind of market do you 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:33.840 think is out there for Jermaine Pratt? 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:37.400 I think if you get a late round draft pick, 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:41.040 you count that as a win. For Jermaine Pratt. I 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:44.000 know Jermaine Pratt is very loyal and has that relationship 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:47.000 with lou Ayn Rumo. And for many it's hard because 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.800 many tie Jermaine Pratt to that playoff game to get 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.840 over the hump and intercepting the pass and punching the 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:56.040 Bengals tickets to a playoff win. But I think on 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.400 the field, I think the production at times is inconsistent. 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:04.439 End you know, playoff, playoff, p playoff. Jermaine Pratt is 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:07.720 a difference maker, But do you consistently get that down 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:09.879 in and down out? And again it goes back to 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:11.880 Al Goldon. Now, Golden did a great job at Notre 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.879 Dame of getting young players to buy in and to 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:18.080 build a system and to build a scheme around that. 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:20.320 And I think the most important thing about that is 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.960 getting young guys in the building. The Bengals currently have 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:27.719 six draft picks. If you can recoup and get another 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:31.000 draft pick for Jermaine Pratt, who now is a guy 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:33.359 that doesn't seem like he wants to be here, I 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.359 think that would be a win ultimately for both sides, 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:36.760 along with saving some more money. 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:42.520 What can Al Golden do better or differently than lou Anarumo. 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.760 I don't know if it's necessarily Lou because I think 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.800 Lou was awesome in the sense of getting the most 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:53.120 out of the players, and the scheme seemed to fit 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:56.480 early in his career the personnel, but not later in 0:17:56.520 --> 0:18:00.480 the career. I think the biggest thing that if I'm 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:03.560 out Golden, I want to have is a clear message 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:06.879 from the top down of what the scheme and personnel 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:10.520 calls for from a free agent and from a draft situation. 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:14.120 I think knowing that going in and starting fresh and 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:18.920 cleaning the slate allows this organization to work hand in 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:22.359 hand without Golden on what type of players need to 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.000 be drafted, what type of free agents need to be 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:28.520 highlighted in the Al Golden scheme. And he hit it 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.160 on the head right away. He's not the first thing 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:33.000 you need to do the priority get the ball back 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:35.920 to number nine, however, you need to do that. But 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:39.159 I think it's the messaging and to sit down and 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:42.320 to have an opportunity to say, Okay, clear slate, here's 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:44.119 the players that I think fit in the scheme we 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.000 currently have. Here's some players in free agency that I 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:49.520 think make a lot of sense and here's some guys 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:51.879 to target in the draft that you really think you 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:55.400 can build into from a system standpoint. He already has 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:58.680 Al Golden the relationship with Logan Wilson. I think that's 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:01.920 huge to have your linebacker is a guy that's familiar 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:05.080 with the system and familiar with Al Golden already. I 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:07.840 just think that needs to be clear from the top down, 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.280 so you formulate the roster around the scheme itself. 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:13.600 We are visiting with former you see in Carolina Panthers 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:16.240 quarterback Tony Pike. Let's talk about some of the other 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:19.359 coaching changes. Scott Peters takes over for Frank Pollack as 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:23.080 offensive line coach. Jerry Montgomery takes over for Marion Hobby 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:26.760 as defensive line coach. Based on your experience, how much 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:30.800 difference do offensive and defensive line coaches make? 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:33.880 I think a lot in the mentality and a lot 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:37.080 in the development. Every offensive line coach is going to 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:38.679 to use the term for Frank Pollack. You want the 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:42.160 glass eaters, you want the bulldogs. You want the type 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:43.840 of mentality that you're going to go maybe even a 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:46.879 little bit after the whistle. You're wired a different way 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:49.720 if you're an offensive line and a defensive line coach, 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:52.840 and you're constantly battling. Those are the trenches, whether it's 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:56.920 one on ones in practice, whether it's joint practices the games, 0:19:57.320 --> 0:20:00.000 that's a constant battle that's going on. And I think 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.760 think the developmental side is the key here because there 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:06.000 are so many holes that you do need to fill. 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:07.960 How many of those holes are already on the roster. 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:10.240 How many of those holes can be filled if the 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:13.920 players are developed in a new system. I can speak 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:18.520 personally from a new offensive coach that came in, there's 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:21.760 a reset that hits for players that may have been 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:24.800 behind the eight ball with the previous staff that all 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:27.840 of the sudden now think well, now I have a chance. 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:30.840 Now I get a fresh start. Maybe that's more of 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:34.520 a driving factor. I think that's key when you start 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:38.080 to look into a new coach up front, new coaches 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:40.879 in the trenches for a lot of these players, I 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:43.720 think it gives you the reset to say, Okay, here's 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:46.280 a guy we can develop. Maybe there's a player on 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:49.480 this roster that we're not factoring in, or maybe we're 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:53.960 factoring you know, McKinley Jackson, Chris Jenkins, two rookies, really 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:56.359 solid starts to the season. Maybe they take a bigger 0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:59.639 stump step with the development. Maybe you find that on 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:02.520 the offensive line and there's not as many holes. I 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:05.040 think new coaches give you a fresh start from a 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:06.520 roster standpoint. 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:10.560 We need Jerry Montgomery to do for Miles Murphy what 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:12.560 Brian Kelly did for Tony Pike. 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:15.960 Easy, what else are you asking? Head? After the quarterback 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:17.920 ten and a half sacks? We move on. 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:21.800