1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: I get everybody. I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast. The Jickiser no addition, as I 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: discussed the Bengals off season checklist with former UC Bearcats 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: and Carolina Panthers quarterback Tony Pike. The Bengals Booth Podcast 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: is brought to you by pay Core, Proud to be 6 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: the Bengals official hr software provider, by aulta Fiber future 7 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: proof fiber Internet designed to elevate your home, business, and 8 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: community to a new level, and by Kettering Health the 9 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: best care for the best fans. 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Now 32 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: let's get to this week's guest. If you live in 33 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: the Cincinnati area, you know all about Tony Pike. He 34 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: was the quarterback who led the University of Cincinnati to 35 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: back to back appearances in the Orange and Sugar Bowls 36 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: in the two thousand and eight and two thousand and 37 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: nine seasons before being drafted in the sixth round by 38 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers. Nerve damage in his elbow ended Tony's 39 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: pro football career. But he's thriving in sports broadcasting, hosting 40 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: a daily three hour show on ESPN fifteen thirty and 41 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: serving as the sideline reporter on University of Cincinnati football broadcasts. 42 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: We spoke this week about free agency, the draft, coaching changes, 43 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: and much more. Tony with a perspective of a former 44 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: NFL quarterback, and I have your number sixteen Carolina Panthers 45 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,839 Speaker 1: jersey on my family room wall. Did I hear you 46 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: say on your radio show this week that Joe Burrow 47 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: is better than two time MVP and three times Super 48 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: Bowl champ Patrick Mahomes? 49 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 2: I did you know? I watched the Super Bowl, as 50 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 2: many of us did, in the lens of the pressure 51 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 2: that Patrick Mahomes was under. And it's a pressure that 52 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: I watched a lot this year because I feel like 53 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow was under a lot of that pressure, and 54 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: in that pressure, Joe Burrow did something he's never done before. 55 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: The statistics that he laid out this season while not 56 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: being protected at all times was something I've never seen before. 57 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: And to see someone regarded as one of the greatest 58 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: to play the position, one that's pushing Tom Brady to 59 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: watch Patrick Mahomes so unsettled by the pressure that was 60 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 2: around him. It made me appreciate Joe Burrow's greatness even 61 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: more now. If you go into every category of what 62 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: they do as quarterbacks, you know, you're surrounding are a 63 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 2: big part of it. You're coaching is a big part 64 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: of it. But what I saw Joe Burrow do this 65 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: year with pressure around him, it's not easy to do. 66 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 2: It's very easy to do what Mahomes did to create ghosts, 67 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 2: to have the feet that are all over the place, 68 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 2: that's natural for pretty much every quarterback. Joe Burrow doesn't 69 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 2: do that. He gets hit, he gets back up. He 70 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: gets hit, he gets back up, he goes through his reads. 71 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: That's so hard to do mentally, and it's something that 72 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: I haven't seen before, and you saw it in the 73 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: Super Bowl. 74 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: Was Joe like that in Week one against New England? 75 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: And then did he get over it after one game? 76 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: I think so? And I think a lot of it 77 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 2: for Joe was the injury. You know, when you come 78 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: back from not just the risk, but he's come back 79 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 2: from a major knee injury before. I think it takes 80 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 2: getting hit. Joe himself has talked a lot about preseason 81 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 2: right and getting hit and getting comfortable. I think it 82 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: took him having a bad game against the Patriots to 83 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 2: to understand where he was at physically, and from there 84 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: he was fantastic. I don't think that you get that 85 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: week one Joe Burrow had he not been coming off 86 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 2: of the injury with so many unknowns of how the 87 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 2: risk was gonna respond, It was a talking point every 88 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 2: single day. I think it took some getting used to it, 89 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 2: and he got used to it quick. 90 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: All right, Tony, you've been talking about the Bengals offseason 91 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: topics five days a week and since he three p 92 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: sixty on ESPN fifteen thirty. So let me hit you 93 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: on some of the key topics, starting with T Higgins. 94 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: Should the Bengals spend basically whatever it takes to extend 95 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,559 Speaker 1: Jamar Chase and T Higgins or would they be better 96 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: off to tag and trade Tea for a high draft 97 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: pick and use that money on other positions. 98 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 2: Well, first, I would like to personally thank Joe Burrow 99 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 2: for two and a half months of content that I 100 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 2: didn't bank on having. It was so weird, like you 101 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: just went through the season like this is it for Tea, 102 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 2: This is gonna hop and then you hear Joe Burrow 103 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 2: speak out, and I think it was calculated. I think 104 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 2: every time Joe has spoken since then, it's been calculated. 105 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 2: I'm biased from a former quarterback. I want the weapons, 106 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 2: and I think this discussion goes in a different way. 107 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: If there was a more clear cut path at who 108 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: the number two would be? Did Yosi Vas take a 109 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: big enough step? Obviously we know what Jermaine Burton's first 110 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: year was. I don't think there's a clear number two, 111 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 2: which I think puts more pressure on T Higgins coming back. 112 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: But so much of the argument is watching the Super Bowl, 113 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: and it's a fair one. You've got to make sure 114 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: your offensive defensive lines are where they need to be. 115 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: Philly was so dominant, But a counter to that would 116 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: be Kansas City didn't have an answer. They don't have 117 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 2: a Jamar Chase, they don't have a T Higgins. Travis 118 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 2: Kelcey's at the end of his career. I look at 119 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 2: at the weaponry of Joe Burrow as another opportunity to 120 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 2: maybe get around other deficiencies, maybe some deficiencies up front. 121 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 2: It's hard to guard Jamar Chase and T Higgins and 122 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: Joe spoke about that T doesn't just benefit him. T 123 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 2: Higgins benefits what Jamoar Chase does as well, because if 124 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 2: you're going to send the double team to Jamaar Chase, 125 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: you're going to single out T Higgins. Teams have paid 126 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 2: for that, and they've paid for that dearly. I think 127 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 2: the pressure from Joe Burrow and being a quarterback that 128 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 2: played the game, I'm signing T. Higgins. I'm finding a way. 129 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 2: I know it's not going to be easy to do, 130 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 2: but T Higgins doesn't walk in the door every day. 131 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: You can't just replenish and replace T. Higgins with another 132 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: second round draft pick. I think T allows them to 133 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: have a clearer picture of free agency and the draft 134 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: and where they need to operate. 135 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: I want to follow up on what you said about 136 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow's public comments because I said publicly for the 137 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: first three months of the season last year, I assume 138 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: that T would play one final year in Cincinnati on 139 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: the tag and then sign elsewhere as a free agent, 140 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: and the Bengals would get a third round compensatory pick 141 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: if that happened. And then after that Dallas game in 142 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: early December, Joe said quote, I'm confident that we're going 143 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: to be able to do what it takes to bring 144 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: Tea back. And then a couple of days later he 145 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: referred to Tea as a need, and at that point 146 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: my thinking completely changed from ten percent likely to at 147 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: least fifty to fifty. Did your mindset change following those 148 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: comments immediately? 149 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 2: And it wasn't as much right after the Dallas game. 150 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: It was Tea's a need, not a want, because every 151 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: quarterback wants the complimentary weapons. Every quarterback wants three star receivers, 152 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: two star receivers, a good running game. When you throw 153 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 2: the term need, and I view everything Joe says as calculated. 154 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 2: You covered Aj Green as a Cincinnati Bengal. AJ didn't 155 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 2: talk much. When he talked, you listened, and I think, 156 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 2: here you have the franchise player in Joe Burrow. He's 157 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 2: going to go down as the greatest, if not one 158 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 2: of the greatest Bengals of all time. When he wes 159 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 2: you listen and to not just end it there. He 160 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 2: could have sent it at Dallas. He could have said 161 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 2: he's in need and move on. Every time he has 162 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: spoken since then, it has been about t Higgins. It's 163 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 2: been about Trey Hendrickson. It's been about Jamar Chase. You've 164 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 2: got to compliment Mike Kasicki for getting his name thrown 165 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 2: in there with Joe Burrow. But he is he is 166 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: putting the in basketball terms, he's put the full court 167 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 2: pressure on. And when your franchise player is doing that 168 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 2: and using the term need for me, it's shifted right 169 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: then and there. And I was in your boat. I was. 170 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 2: I was playing out this season appreciating everything T Higgins 171 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 2: has done and wondering how they were going to fill 172 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 2: those those shoes to well, they got to find a 173 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 2: way to bring him back completely. Now, if you're the Bengals, we. 174 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: Are visiting with Tony Pike, former uc An NFL quarterback 175 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: now the host of Since He three to sixty on 176 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty and Cincinnati. Do you think that T 177 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: has to be willing to take a little less to 178 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: make this happen. 179 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 2: He does, And that was the only part that unsettled 180 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 2: me a little bit. The night of the Super Bowl, 181 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 2: he spoke publicly and said, I want to do it, 182 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 2: but it's out of my hands. There is an agent 183 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 2: that comes into play here. And I know chad Ocho 184 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: Cinko had the comments as well as I want Tea here, 185 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 2: but I want Tea to get what he deserves. I mean, 186 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 2: you think about the Max deal. You work your whole 187 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: life for that. You work your whole life for not 188 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: only you, but your family and your family's family and 189 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 2: generations to recoup some of that wealth as well. And 190 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 2: it's hard to ask a player when he's getting ready 191 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: to cash in to take less. But I think there 192 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 2: are valuable things to t Higgins. I think playing with 193 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow is valuable. I think the 194 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 2: love of the city of Cincinnati. I think there's a 195 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 2: genuine love in Cincinnati. I think you can find ways 196 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 2: if you're Tea's agent or representing company to maybe cash 197 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 2: in more in the city of Cincinnati. Endorsements and things 198 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 2: like that that maybe you can't make up in the contract. 199 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 2: But yeah, you're not going to be able to go 200 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 2: give a Max to Jamar and a Max to Tea 201 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 2: and the money. The money has to come from somewhere. 202 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 2: There's going to have to be a little give. I 203 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: think the creativity on how you find that money from, 204 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 2: whether that's the organization or his agent himself, I think 205 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 2: that's a lot to weigh for T. Higgins. But the 206 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: term it's out of my hands is a little unsettling. 207 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: And also not true in my opinion. It's ultimately in 208 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: his hand. 209 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 2: He's going to sign off on them. 210 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, the agent is going to give him advice 211 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: and what he should do. But if t ultimately wants 212 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: to not mess with Happy, you know, it's not a 213 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: hometown discount, it's a not mess with happiness discount. Sure, 214 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: and it is in his hands. 215 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: And I think for t you do have the ability 216 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 2: to extend your career. You have the ability to put 217 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,599 Speaker 2: up really good numbers because Joe Burrows throwing you the 218 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: ball and Jamar Chase is going to bepposite of you. 219 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: I don't think you can quantify that in dollars. I 220 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 2: think you quantify that in another contract down the road, 221 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 2: because you're going to be a talking point going forward, 222 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: because your numbers are always going to be there because 223 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: teams have to respect everything else on the roster. 224 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: Let's turn to Trey Hendrickson. He turned thirty on December fifth, 225 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: better known as Pike Pike to Bin's Day. Thanks to 226 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: some of us, it certainly doesn't look like Trey is 227 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: getting old. He said seventeen and a half sacks each 228 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: of the last two years. What should the Bengals do 229 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: with Trey Hendrickson. 230 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 2: It's such a hard prospect for me on Trey Hendrickson 231 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 2: because he had seventeen and a half sacks and the 232 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 2: defense still ranks so low in so many categories. That 233 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 2: tells you that Trey alone cannot get the job done. 234 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: Some of the factors that play in. You have Al 235 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 2: Golden now the defensive coordinator. What does Al Golden's role 236 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 2: represent to Trey Hendrickson. I think in Trey Hendrickson's fitness, 237 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson maybe hurts himself at times because he's not 238 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 2: a guy that lines up on both sides. He's not 239 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 2: a guy that moves to the interior part of the 240 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 2: defensive line, doesn't get his hands on a ton of passes, 241 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 2: doesn't excel it, doesn't have above average numbers against the run. 242 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 2: He's just great at getting after the passer. And I 243 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 2: think that makes it a little bit harder when you 244 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 2: think about the future. Can Trey Hendrickson replicate that? And 245 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 2: if Trey Hendrickson were to replicate that, does it still 246 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: mean the defense is successful or better than what it's 247 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 2: been That to me is the most interesting storyline here. 248 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 2: You have to decide is Trey Hendrickson enough alone to 249 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 2: get you back to the spot. I know the money 250 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 2: can be there for everyone. You got a lot of 251 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 2: holes on the defensive side of the ball. We just 252 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 2: saw in the Super Bowl. We've already highlighted it what 253 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 2: a defensive line as a whole with depth can do 254 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 2: to one of the greatest quarterbacks to play the game. 255 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 2: I think you got to look at it from the 256 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,239 Speaker 2: top down. You got to look at it in the secondary, 257 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 2: you got to look at the linebacker level. You got 258 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 2: to look at it. If it's me. I pay really 259 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 2: close attention to what happens with Miles Garrett because I 260 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 2: think there's seven or eight teams that are legitimate, viable 261 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 2: options for Miles Garrett that a Miles Garrett makes them 262 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 2: an immediate contender. And if those teams strike out, I 263 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 2: may at least reach out and say, what when you 264 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 2: miss Miles Garrett, what does Trey Hendrickson's value mean to you? 265 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 2: I think, at least if I'm the Bengals, I'm doing that, 266 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: which means I can slow play it a little bit 267 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: more to wait and see what pans out with Miles Garrett. 268 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 2: That's how I would play it, because you can't replenish 269 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 2: seventeen and a half sacks, but you also have a 270 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 2: ton of holes that need to be filled on the 271 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 2: defense if you want to be considered a Super Bowl 272 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 2: contending roster. 273 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: As a former NFL player, what about the notion of 274 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: keeping your stars and the message that sends to everybody else. 275 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: It's hard, and I think it sends a message that 276 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: if you work to become one of those stars, you're 277 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: going to be valued in that sense. So I do 278 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: think it puts a little bit on the players to 279 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 2: maybe want to work a little bit harder. It also 280 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 2: puts a huge emphasis on the draft, right of Okay, 281 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 2: you need to get successful players in the draft, you 282 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 2: need to draft starters, but you also incentivize those players 283 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 2: and say, hey, if in three, four, five years you're 284 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 2: a player that has become a cornerstone of this team, 285 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 2: we're going to keep you around. And I think there's 286 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 2: a value to that because we've seen players in the 287 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 2: past that have moved on after their first contract with 288 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bengals. So yeah, I think there is a 289 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 2: message that's sent to the locker room I also worry 290 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 2: on the opposite of negative messages that can be sent 291 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 2: if players are unhappy, What that does to a culture, 292 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: what that does to a locker room, just the dynamics 293 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: that it brings. I don't think that Jamar Chase situation 294 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 2: was avoidable, and I don't think Jamar was in the fault. 295 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 2: I don't think the Bengals were in the fault. But 296 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 2: it just created a circus in the locker room every 297 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 2: single day of training camp, and I think that wears 298 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 2: on you as well. So I think the culture aspect 299 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 2: is one that's viable here as well. 300 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: Tony. On Wednesday of this week, Jermaine Pratt requested a trade. 301 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: It seems to me that before that news came out, 302 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people were suggesting that the Bengals should 303 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: cut him to save money. It would be about six 304 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: million dollars in cap space. After that news came out, 305 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: he seemed to get more valuable in the minds of 306 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: the public. The New York Post said today he will 307 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: be a hot commodity. What kind of market do you 308 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: think is out there for Jermaine Pratt? 309 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 2: I think if you get a late round draft pick, 310 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 2: you count that as a win. For Jermaine Pratt. I 311 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 2: know Jermaine Pratt is very loyal and has that relationship 312 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 2: with lou Ayn Rumo. And for many it's hard because 313 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 2: many tie Jermaine Pratt to that playoff game to get 314 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 2: over the hump and intercepting the pass and punching the 315 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 2: Bengals tickets to a playoff win. But I think on 316 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 2: the field, I think the production at times is inconsistent. 317 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 2: End you know, playoff, playoff, p playoff. Jermaine Pratt is 318 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 2: a difference maker, But do you consistently get that down 319 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 2: in and down out? And again it goes back to 320 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 2: Al Goldon. Now, Golden did a great job at Notre 321 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 2: Dame of getting young players to buy in and to 322 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 2: build a system and to build a scheme around that. 323 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 2: And I think the most important thing about that is 324 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: getting young guys in the building. The Bengals currently have 325 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,719 Speaker 2: six draft picks. If you can recoup and get another 326 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 2: draft pick for Jermaine Pratt, who now is a guy 327 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 2: that doesn't seem like he wants to be here, I 328 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 2: think that would be a win ultimately for both sides, 329 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 2: along with saving some more money. 330 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: What can Al Golden do better or differently than lou Anarumo. 331 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's necessarily Lou because I think 332 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 2: Lou was awesome in the sense of getting the most 333 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 2: out of the players, and the scheme seemed to fit 334 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 2: early in his career the personnel, but not later in 335 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 2: the career. I think the biggest thing that if I'm 336 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: out Golden, I want to have is a clear message 337 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 2: from the top down of what the scheme and personnel 338 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 2: calls for from a free agent and from a draft situation. 339 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 2: I think knowing that going in and starting fresh and 340 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 2: cleaning the slate allows this organization to work hand in 341 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 2: hand without Golden on what type of players need to 342 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 2: be drafted, what type of free agents need to be 343 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 2: highlighted in the Al Golden scheme. And he hit it 344 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 2: on the head right away. He's not the first thing 345 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 2: you need to do the priority get the ball back 346 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 2: to number nine, however, you need to do that. But 347 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 2: I think it's the messaging and to sit down and 348 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 2: to have an opportunity to say, Okay, clear slate, here's 349 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 2: the players that I think fit in the scheme we 350 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 2: currently have. Here's some players in free agency that I 351 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 2: think make a lot of sense and here's some guys 352 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 2: to target in the draft that you really think you 353 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 2: can build into from a system standpoint. He already has 354 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 2: Al Golden the relationship with Logan Wilson. I think that's 355 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 2: huge to have your linebacker is a guy that's familiar 356 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 2: with the system and familiar with Al Golden already. I 357 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 2: just think that needs to be clear from the top down, 358 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: so you formulate the roster around the scheme itself. 359 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: We are visiting with former you see in Carolina Panthers 360 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: quarterback Tony Pike. Let's talk about some of the other 361 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: coaching changes. Scott Peters takes over for Frank Pollack as 362 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: offensive line coach. Jerry Montgomery takes over for Marion Hobby 363 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: as defensive line coach. Based on your experience, how much 364 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: difference do offensive and defensive line coaches make? 365 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 2: I think a lot in the mentality and a lot 366 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 2: in the development. Every offensive line coach is going to 367 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 2: to use the term for Frank Pollack. You want the 368 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 2: glass eaters, you want the bulldogs. You want the type 369 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 2: of mentality that you're going to go maybe even a 370 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 2: little bit after the whistle. You're wired a different way 371 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 2: if you're an offensive line and a defensive line coach, 372 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 2: and you're constantly battling. Those are the trenches, whether it's 373 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 2: one on ones in practice, whether it's joint practices the games, 374 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: that's a constant battle that's going on. And I think 375 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 2: think the developmental side is the key here because there 376 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: are so many holes that you do need to fill. 377 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 2: How many of those holes are already on the roster. 378 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 2: How many of those holes can be filled if the 379 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 2: players are developed in a new system. I can speak 380 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 2: personally from a new offensive coach that came in, there's 381 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 2: a reset that hits for players that may have been 382 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 2: behind the eight ball with the previous staff that all 383 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 2: of the sudden now think well, now I have a chance. 384 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 2: Now I get a fresh start. Maybe that's more of 385 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 2: a driving factor. I think that's key when you start 386 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 2: to look into a new coach up front, new coaches 387 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 2: in the trenches for a lot of these players, I 388 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 2: think it gives you the reset to say, Okay, here's 389 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 2: a guy we can develop. Maybe there's a player on 390 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 2: this roster that we're not factoring in, or maybe we're 391 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 2: factoring you know, McKinley Jackson, Chris Jenkins, two rookies, really 392 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 2: solid starts to the season. Maybe they take a bigger 393 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 2: stump step with the development. Maybe you find that on 394 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 2: the offensive line and there's not as many holes. I 395 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 2: think new coaches give you a fresh start from a 396 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 2: roster standpoint. 397 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: We need Jerry Montgomery to do for Miles Murphy what 398 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: Brian Kelly did for Tony Pike. 399 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 2: Easy, what else are you asking? Head? After the quarterback 400 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 2: ten and a half sacks? We move on. 401 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: Tony and I discussed the NFL Draft next, But first, 402 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: here's a quick reminder that the Bengals Booth podcast is 403 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: brought to you by pay Corps, proud to be the 404 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: Bengals official HR software provider, by Alta Fiber future proof 405 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: fiber Internet designed to elevate your home, business, and community 406 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: to a new level, and by Kettering Health the best 407 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: care for the best fans. Kettering Health is the official 408 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: healthcare provider of the Bengals. Put these draft priorities in order, 409 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: defensive tackle, defensive end, defensive back, and guard. 410 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 2: Man. I would be remissed if you didn't watch the 411 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 2: suit Super Bowl and start with the defensive end position. 412 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 2: I mean I would start d end. I would move 413 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: to dtackle, then I would address guard and then I 414 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 2: would address secondary mostly. I think dB gets addressed if 415 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 2: you address defensive end and defensive tackle. You know those 416 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 2: Philly the corner, they're good. They don't have to cover 417 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 2: very long. I mean it's I cannot speak enough to 418 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 2: four man pressure and seven man drop, especially at the 419 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 2: rate in which Philly was able to do it. And 420 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 2: you're not going to be able to replicate what Philly did. 421 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 2: But if you can make the quarterback uneasy, and that 422 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 2: starts with sacking the quarterback, that's the defensive end position. 423 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 2: That's the biggest value to me. And then it comes 424 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: at the defensive tackle spot, because if you're a quarterback 425 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 2: and there are dominant defensive ends, you push up in 426 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: the pocket and you readdress the situation if your defensive 427 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 2: tackles are dominant, when you go to push up in 428 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 2: the pocket, you're pushing up into a defender, into your 429 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 2: defensive lineman. I value the defensive tackle roll. It makes 430 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 2: a quarterbacks job so uneasy, So I'm starting there. Then 431 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 2: I would address guard, and guard would be higher if 432 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow wasn't the quarterback, but we saw the effectiveness 433 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: of Joe Burrow. I think if you upgrade that position 434 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 2: at all that it's going to be even better. But 435 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 2: I don't think it's the number one priority, especially because 436 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 2: you've got some good bookends in Orlando Brown and a 437 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:26,959 Speaker 2: Marius Mims. 438 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: You made the case for keeping T Higgins earlier. Let's 439 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: say that they don't. Let's say that T wants every 440 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: possible dollar and signs with somebody else. At that point, 441 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: would you have to use a first or a second 442 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: round pick at a wide receiver. 443 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 2: I think you do, and I think that goes back 444 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 2: to not knowing what you have there yet. At number two, 445 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 2: maybe Yoshivas does take that step, Maybe there is something 446 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 2: left in Jermaine Burton. Outside of that, it's cloudy for 447 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 2: the Bengals, and you're doing Joe Burrow, you're doing Jamar 448 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 2: Chase a disservice. You're doing that whole offense. You're doing 449 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 2: Chase Brown, a disservice who gets to run with friendlier 450 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 2: boxes because of that. So it would it would immediately, 451 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 2: in my opinion, become a first or second round necessity 452 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 2: where you're drafting at that spot for a starter Day 453 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 2: one for the Bengals. 454 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: All right, let's turn to free agency. Give me a 455 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: dream free agent that you would like to see them sign. 456 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: So we're talking the equivalent of Orlando Brown Junior a 457 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, where nobody thought that he could 458 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: possibly sign with Cincinnati and then it played out in 459 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: their favor. 460 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 2: I think, if I have two, I have one on 461 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball. Just watch them in 462 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. Joshua guy that can get after the passer. 463 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 2: The motor like that's the term always used for defensive lineman, 464 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 2: the motor. You watch any of Joshuwat's tape with the 465 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagles, his motor is unbelievably high. It's a position 466 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 2: of immediate need. I would go him on the defense. 467 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 2: If I'm on the offense and we're talking dream, I 468 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 2: think Tevin Jenkins at twenty six years old at guard 469 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 2: immediately slots in seventy five overall grade. Great pass protector, 470 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 2: great run block. He protects Joe Burrow, he keeps him 471 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 2: up right more the same way Orlando Brown has done 472 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 2: since he's become a Cincinnati Bengal. And I don't think 473 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 2: you have to address both guards in that sense, because 474 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 2: if you have a good guard play, you can almost 475 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 2: hide the other guard play. It's just when both guards 476 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 2: are a little deficient. That's a problem. So I go 477 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: Josh Wett, I go Tevin Jenkins. 478 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: It's interesting because we're kind of thinking along the same lines, 479 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: but I've got different names for you. Milton Williams, who 480 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: is so impactful in the Super Bowl as a defensive 481 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: lineman for Philly. That would be more of an interior push, yes. 482 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: And then Trey Smith. If you're looking for a guard guard. 483 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: That seems, you know, highly unlikely, just because of the 484 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: amount of money that he's going to command. But Trey 485 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: Smith twenty five years old, great player and added bonus 486 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 1: of this passed off season when Dante Corleone was diagnosed 487 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: with blood clots, Trey Smith reached out to him and 488 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: gave him hope and advice because he had dealt with 489 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: that when he played at Tennessee. So on a personal note, 490 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: I am now a Trey Smith guy. So it seems unlikely, 491 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 1: but we can cross our fingers and you. 492 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 2: Keep that former Patrick Mahomes protector to Joe Burrow protector 493 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 2: alive the way Orlando Brown Junior did. 494 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: All right, Now, let's turn to a different category of 495 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: free agency. This is the I can definitely see it 496 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: happen candidate more like an Alex Kappa or a Zach Moss. 497 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 2: I would turn because of the Jermaine Pratt news. I 498 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 2: feel like a name we talked about during the deadline 499 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 2: last year for the Giants was a z'z Ojelauri linebacker 500 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 2: who immediately can get after the passer. He can help 501 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 2: you in that second level. Al Golden obviously has a 502 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 2: connection with the linebacker position. I don't know exactly what 503 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 2: it'll cost, but if you're saving six million dollars with 504 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 2: Jermaine Pratt, you're adding another draft pick. Maybe in that sense, 505 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,479 Speaker 2: I would see a guy who drew a lot of 506 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 2: connection to Cincinnati during that process, and o Jaalari a 507 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 2: guy that makes a lot of sense. Again, if you're 508 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 2: coming into a new defensive coordinator, a guy that specializes 509 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 2: in linebackers, and you're also getting to play opposite of 510 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, it makes it a very attractive destination. And 511 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 2: I don't think there's the need or the glaring free 512 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 2: agent offensive hole as there is on defense. 513 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: I'm going Makai Becton in this category. 514 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 2: Another guard. 515 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Bengals kicked the tires on him last year 516 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: after he played tackle it with the Jets and didn't succeed. 517 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: Signed with the Eagles. They're great offensive line, coach moves them, 518 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: moves him to right guard starter every game for a 519 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: super Bowl winning team. So he's going to get paid, 520 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 1: but he's not going to get paid as much as 521 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: Trey Smith. The Eagles have a lot of mouths to feed. 522 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: So he's the guy that I've identified identified as maybe 523 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: in that this seems more realistic category. 524 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 2: There's a way when you watch the Eagles that they 525 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 2: just play up front that you want to be a 526 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 2: part of. Right, Like I I remember leading into the 527 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 2: Super Bowl, I'm watching Lewis Riddick talk and he had 528 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 2: spent time with Andy Reid and he said, Andy, what's 529 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 2: your what's your biggest concern going into the game? And 530 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 2: his his comment was can we match the physicality that 531 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 2: they play with in the trenches? And I'm thinking, like, 532 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 2: you know, we talk about culture and scheme and all 533 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 2: these things all the time. Is there a greater compliment 534 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 2: from a Hall of Fame coach and Andy Reid to 535 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 2: say can we match their physicality? Like if you're known 536 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 2: a physical O line or a physical D line, that 537 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 2: to me is the greatest compliment you can have at 538 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 2: those positions. Macay Becton would be a part of that, 539 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 2: but it's the ultimate compliment. And no, they didn't have 540 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 2: an answer for the physicality of the Philadelphia Eagles. If 541 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 2: you could, if you could pick off pieces of that 542 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 2: team and bring that type of mentality into Cincinnati, you 543 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 2: are You're helping yourself in a big way. 544 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: All right, A few more topics for my friend Tony Pike. 545 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: As soon as the Super Bowl ended, various news outlets 546 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: did their power rankings for the upcoming season, so this 547 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: starts very early. NFL dot Com has the Bengals at 548 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: number fifteen, the USA Today number twelve, the athletic number thirteen. 549 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: ESPN was the highest at number nine. Roughly, where do 550 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: the Bengals belong in the power rankings going into free agency, 551 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,479 Speaker 1: the draft, and the upcoming season. 552 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 2: They're top ten because Joe Burrows a quarterback. I know 553 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 2: there's holes. Joe Burrows, the quarterback of the Bengals. Jamar 554 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 2: Chase is going to be a Cincinnati Bengal. Chase Brown 555 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 2: if I look at it in a lot of ways, 556 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 2: like fantasy football, Chase Brown is going to be a 557 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 2: first round pick on a lot of fantasy football boards 558 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 2: next year. If he takes the next step, what another 559 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 2: weapon it is. If Mike Kasiki is back. Anytime number 560 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 2: nine is the quarterback, you have an opportunity. And I 561 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 2: look no further than this year. I know the Bengals 562 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 2: limited themselves. I know they hurt themselves. The Patriots lost. 563 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,479 Speaker 2: You could go back to so many close losses, but 564 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 2: you can't tell me, even with the deficiencies on defense 565 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 2: and the deficiencies up front, that if the Bengals snuck 566 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 2: into the playoff, they wouldn't have been a threat to 567 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 2: make it to the super Bowl. The way in which 568 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 2: they were playing. They've conquered Buffalo in Buffalo, They've conquered 569 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 2: Kansas City. It took a fourth and long penalty against 570 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 2: Kansas City on the road this year to lose that game. 571 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 2: They played the Ravens as well as you can both times. 572 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 2: I still contend that if they would have snuck in 573 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 2: this year, they would have been a contender to get 574 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 2: to the super Bowl because of how Joe Burrow was 575 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 2: playing and the confidence that they would have entered the 576 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 2: playoffs with. So I think it's unfair to start them 577 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 2: anywhere outside of the top ten. 578 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: What do you expect the team to do to try 579 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: to avoid a slow start? 580 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 2: And that's the million dollar question. I thought, and you 581 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 2: were there every day. I thought training camp last year 582 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 2: was vastly different. I thought there was more energy. I 583 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 2: thought there was more physicality. They did two joint practices. 584 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 2: I don't think you could have done anything at training 585 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 2: camp outside of having Jamar Chase every single day that 586 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 2: maybe would have helped. Even Joe Burrow. It was expected 587 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow was going to miss a bunch of camp. 588 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 2: I think he missed one day. So the only thing 589 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 2: I can think of, and I know Joe has talked 590 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 2: about this, is giving guys more time in the preseason. 591 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 2: I know not a lot of folks want to run 592 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 2: that risk, but Joe Burrow and Zach Taylor can formulate 593 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 2: a plan to not take any unnecessary hits in the preseason. 594 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 2: You can get the ball out quick, you can call 595 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 2: pass a quick passing game, you can run the ball. 596 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 2: I think it's more about just the verbiage and getting 597 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 2: in and out of the huddle and playing together and 598 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 2: going through some stale spots maybe where you don't move 599 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 2: the ball a lot. I don't think there's been enough 600 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 2: of that, and I think it's something Joe Burrow has 601 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 2: spoken enough about in his career that if you're willing 602 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 2: to try anything to start faster, I think playing in 603 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 2: a little bit more of those preseason snaps would make sense. 604 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: You can protect Joe, you can't protect everybody else, so 605 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: there is some risk. The other thing I would say 606 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,959 Speaker 1: is we don't really look closely at the other stuff 607 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: leading up to training camp. But I think Zach has 608 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: been pretty generous and giving guys the occasional day off, 609 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: not using every one of those available OTA practices. I 610 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: wonder if they will do everything that they are legally 611 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: permitted to do during those time periods in hopes of 612 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: just trying something different. 613 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 2: I think you have to for that reason. And also, 614 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 2: if you look at what the makeup of this roster 615 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 2: is going to be, you're going to be bringing in 616 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 2: a lot of new players. You're going to be adding 617 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 2: young talent. It's so much now a talking point of 618 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 2: starting faster. I think all of those things combined, you're 619 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 2: probably not going to see the guys being released a 620 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 2: day early as they have in the past. You're probably 621 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 2: going to utilize as much of that time as humanly possible, 622 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 2: because outside of that, there's not a lot they could 623 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,959 Speaker 2: have done. Like I said, the training camp was so 624 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 2: vastly different this year. It didn't have the country club 625 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 2: field that I think in previous years. It had a 626 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 2: little bit. It was physical, it was tough, and I 627 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 2: think you got to try the next step from that. 628 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is at the Super Bowl. He made the 629 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: rounds on radio. Row when is he coming on Sincy 630 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: three sixty. 631 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 2: That's a great point, That's a great question. I don't 632 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 2: know what we got to do at this point to 633 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 2: get Joe on chop up some quarterbacks stuff. He was 634 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 2: very close to being a Cincinnati Bearcats. We got to 635 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 2: talk about the decision and probably how much he really 636 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 2: regrets it still to this day that he went to 637 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 2: LSU over the Cincinnati Bearcats. But man, I am in 638 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 2: all honesty, I'm so I'm so impressed with everything that 639 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 2: he does and the way in which he understands what's 640 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 2: asked of him as the leader. I think you saw 641 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 2: that maybe in some uncomfortable ways this year of seeing 642 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 2: some of the guys that were lost and understanding you 643 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 2: look around the locker room. Okay, now, I'm one of 644 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 2: those guys, and I think that's I don't think that 645 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 2: comes natural to Joe. I think that's something he had 646 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 2: to work at. And now you see him in his appearances, 647 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,399 Speaker 2: you see him making his rounds. He looks so much 648 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 2: more comfortable, He's so much more confident. He knows how 649 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 2: good he is on the field. He knows that this team. 650 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 2: I don't think it's I don't think it's coach speak 651 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 2: when he says we're a legit super Bowl contender. I 652 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,439 Speaker 2: think he really believes that. And I don't think there's 653 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 2: anyone better to have at the lead of an organization 654 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 2: outside of Joe Burrow. But maybe if he finds out 655 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 2: that I did, in fact put him ahead of Patrick 656 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 2: Mahomes in all quarterback rankings, maybe that's good enough to 657 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 2: get a spot on. Since he three to sixty, I 658 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 2: don't need a weekly thing, just a one off. 659 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: A one timer. Yeah. Next next time I see Joe, 660 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to let him know him. Yeah, he needs 661 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 1: to go on since he three p sixty and talk 662 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 1: to you. He's made one mistake in his time with 663 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: the Bengals, and that was the outfit he war to 664 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,479 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl with the hat and the funky suit. 665 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,280 Speaker 1: Other than that, it's been pretty much a flawless tenure. 666 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 2: He definitely surpasses both you and I from a fashion. 667 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: Standpoint barely, but that's accurate, and. 668 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 2: From what I've seen from you lately, probably from a 669 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 2: food standpoint as well. 670 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: I would get into that, but we're running out of time. 671 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: If I have a question Following your time with the 672 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,479 Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers in twenty eleven, you've got a mini camp 673 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,760 Speaker 1: tryout with the Bengals. You were coming back from elbow surgery, 674 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: and fortunately your elbow never fully came around, so it 675 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 1: didn't work out. But do you feel some level of 676 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: gratitude that the Bengals wanted to at least kick the 677 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,399 Speaker 1: tires and have you in for a look. 678 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't have to do that. I was I 679 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,959 Speaker 2: was at the time, probably four weeks away from being 680 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 2: medically cleared to see if I could even give it 681 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 2: a go. And the fact that that they gave me 682 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,839 Speaker 2: that opportunity, that was all I was asking for at 683 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 2: that moment, because any I had nerve damage, So anytime 684 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 2: you mess with a nerve, there's always the risk that 685 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 2: it doesn't come back, and I had I had the 686 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 2: surgery twice, so going into the second surgery, I knew 687 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 2: it was a long shot, and I knew I wasn't 688 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 2: physically there yet. But for them to give me the opportunity, 689 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 2: knowing I'd grown up here in Cincinnati and what that 690 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 2: organization had meant to me and this city means to me, 691 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 2: I was and and we'll always be very appreciative of that. 692 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 2: I wish I could have performed better. I wish, you know, 693 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 2: the first date to me went really well, and I 694 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 2: just didn't have the ability to bounce back. I didn't 695 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 2: regain the feeling that allowed me to play at a 696 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 2: high level the next day. I wish I could have, 697 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 2: because I'd love to be more of a part of 698 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 2: what's going on here. But certainly certainly grateful for. 699 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: That answer to a great trivia question. Number five in 700 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: a form fifteen at UC sixteen a Carolina, but number 701 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: five in your time with Cincinnati as a Bengal, that's it. 702 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 2: I didn't pick that number, by the way, it was 703 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 2: whatever you want to give me outwhere. 704 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sure Tony, you and Austin do a 705 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: fantastic job on Sincy three sixty Love listening. Love being 706 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 1: a guest, and I appreciate you coming on my podcast. 707 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, thank you. 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