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Speaker 1: Please be advised this story contains adult content and graphic language.

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Speaker 1: Rachel did find a sex tape of Dan cheating with

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Speaker 1: his former girlfriend, Brittany Boudre. I'm sure that would piss

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Speaker 1: her off, and that is just a few weeks before

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Speaker 1: the murders. Welcome to Sleuth. I'm Linda Sawyer. This week

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Speaker 1: we sit down with one of Rachel and Dan's closest

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Speaker 1: inner circle friends, Audrey McVeigh. Audrey said she was the

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Speaker 1: couple's third wheel for nearly four years before Daniel Wazniak

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Speaker 1: murdered his neighbor Sam Hair along with Sam's friend and tutor,

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Speaker 1: Julie Kubuishi. The stories you'll hear from Audrey provide a

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Speaker 1: window into a bizarre, alcohol and drug fueled existence, a

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Speaker 1: world that made up Dan and Rachel's shocking, law breaking lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: I wanna welcome Audrey McVeigh to Sleuth. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for being here. I want to tell our listeners

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Speaker 1: that Audrey was a long term friend, actually probably one

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Speaker 1: of the longest friendships that Rachel had prior to the murders.

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Speaker 1: I believe that Audrey correct me if I'm wrong. You

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Speaker 1: met her in the fall of two thousand six when

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Speaker 1: you both attended Long Beach Community College, right, and you

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Speaker 1: were in the theater department. I was doing technical theater,

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Speaker 1: doing makeup and costumes, and she was doing acting. So

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Speaker 1: we didn't have many classes that coincided together, but we

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Speaker 1: did work on a show together, and that's how you

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Speaker 1: initially met. And well, I know you had shared with

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Speaker 1: me when we had interviewed a couple of years back

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Speaker 1: that she was sort of awkward socially, that people had

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Speaker 1: very different opinions of her. So share with us because

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Speaker 1: I know she was homeschooled, right, Yeah, that was a

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Speaker 1: huge red flag for everybody at theater. Everybody was always like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: she she's weird because she was homeschooled. You know, It's

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Speaker 1: very like, oh that that was just the excuse everybody

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Speaker 1: had for her weird quirkiness. Is, Well, she was homeschooled.

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Speaker 1: She doesn't know how to properly interact between people, and

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Speaker 1: she says weird things and she does weird things, and

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Speaker 1: she just doesn't know better. So that's how that's the

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Speaker 1: past that she got. Yeah, basically like she doesn't know better,

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Speaker 1: She doesn't know anything. Now with some though I think

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Speaker 1: you said some of some of the students. Some of

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Speaker 1: your friends would say, Oh, they thought she was really

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Speaker 1: standoffish and arrogant. They perceived it as more of that

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Speaker 1: she was into herself. I mean, yes, she is, but

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Speaker 1: I that you gave her the benefit of the doubt,

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Speaker 1: but some people didn't. Yes, yeah, definitely. I always like

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Speaker 1: to give people the chance. Well, you know when I remember,

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Speaker 1: because I just started theater there and she and some

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Speaker 1: other girls there, they just they were having so much fun,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I wanna be their friends.

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Speaker 1: basically introduced myself and its theater. So I said, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm Andre you guys look like you're having fun. I

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Speaker 1: want to be your friend basically, and they're like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: be our friend. So I just started hanging out with them,

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Speaker 1: and I mean, he's so much fun with her. I

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Speaker 1: mean we hung out three times a week, maybe more,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, two to four days a week. That's

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Speaker 1: a lunch time to hang out with somebody. We just

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Speaker 1: like chain smokers and we don't know, we're just going out.

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Speaker 1: We have fun, lot of fun. You had a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun. You guys definitely managed to drink some fine

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Speaker 1: of sticky fingers going on at certain points of your

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Speaker 1: relationship with her, And that was just part of the

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Speaker 1: college sort of let's see how we could push the

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Speaker 1: envelope and and and do some things that maybe now

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Speaker 1: we go back and say, we're not going to talk

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Speaker 1: to our kids about No, no, not at all, be

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Speaker 1: but you, but you had a lot of fun doing it.

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Speaker 1: And I do want to just mention a couple of

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Speaker 1: the things just because quite frankly, she's this little thing

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Speaker 1: and I've always found it so incredulous that when you

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Speaker 1: said to me she even stole her bridesmaids dresses, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: how did she even hide them? Well, I mean she

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Speaker 1: did carry a big purse, you know, But and I mean,

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Speaker 1: to be honest, these rides maid dresses they weren't something

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Speaker 1: basketball or cantaloupes like they could. But she got all

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Speaker 1: four of them. Music, Yes she did. And I know

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Speaker 1: that you also said that meals food alcohol. I mean

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Speaker 1: So Dan would say, go to the car, and all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden he'd come out with a basketfull of

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Speaker 1: I thought Dan was a manager out of Horizon and Sanamnica.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was told, you know, that's what they

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Speaker 1: Verizon on Bellflower and Long Beach. You thought support college student.

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Speaker 1: I was working part time going to school full time.

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Speaker 1: I was broke as how Rachel and I would split

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Speaker 1: packs of cigarettes. In fact, I think you told me

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Speaker 1: the one thing that she was bummed about was she

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Speaker 1: couldn't figure out how to steal cigarettes. She stole everything

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Speaker 1: else but could get Yes, exactly, there was no way

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Speaker 1: to steal cigarettes. So Dan would always pay for drinks

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Speaker 1: because I'd go out and they're like, oh, do you

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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, you can buy me one, but I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to waste my own money on drinks because

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Speaker 1: and I was always the d D. I always drove everybody.

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Speaker 1: it was this couple. They really didn't need their own duty.

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Speaker 1: So let's start off with some of those stories, because

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Speaker 1: I'd like to really focus in on the time that

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Speaker 1: Dan came into the picture. I mean, because you really were,

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Speaker 1: in fact, you've referred to your self to me is

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Speaker 1: me because they never made me feel that way. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: That's when they first met each other, right, Yes, but

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Speaker 1: I remember her telling me about him and how he

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Speaker 1: was very like, I don't know, I don't know, but

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Speaker 1: dating him. And what were your first impressions of him?

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Speaker 1: he seem pretty harmless? Did he seem did he show

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Speaker 1: first time I met him, I mean we were dropping

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Speaker 1: something off at the college, and um, there wasn't very

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Speaker 1: much interaction. I mean it was like five minutes. But

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Speaker 1: she then pointed out to you, that's the gentleman that's

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Speaker 1: him on the way there. She's like, Okay, so you're

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Speaker 1: gonna meet Dan blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So but then, I mean obviously your time with him grew.

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Speaker 1: I mean you spent quite a bit of time with him,

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Speaker 1: and and what were what were your feelings about him?

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Speaker 1: I mean, did you did you care about him? Did

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Speaker 1: you feel like you had a Warren Rachel about him?

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Speaker 1: What give us your overall sense of what you felt

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Speaker 1: about him? He was he was nice, and he was

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Speaker 1: a lot of TV shows we liked and we would

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Speaker 1: talk about that and which were those? Family Guy and

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Speaker 1: they tried. He was obsessed with Lost and so they

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Speaker 1: like the first couple of episodes. I was like, Nah,

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Speaker 1: it's not my cup of tea, but thanks, And we

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Speaker 1: just had fun drinking and talking about movies and TV

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Speaker 1: shows and theaters and uh Rachel and I would just

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Speaker 1: her brother had the wine the wine No, they didn't

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Speaker 1: it was a cruise around Naples, and they served wine

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Speaker 1: took them on a little romantics who are around Naples

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Speaker 1: like once you finish the cruise, if you liked the wine,

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Speaker 1: they started the the bar bar. Yeah. Yeah, roughly around

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Speaker 1: the time that I and how smart you were. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: hear some of the times where you really got a

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Speaker 1: really like to drink. I don't know. I just thought

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Speaker 1: it was really stupid that they wanted to get married

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Speaker 1: to get married like this, Well about dumb resons. How

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Speaker 1: about dumb reasons to murder people to go on a cruise.

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Speaker 1: But the point of that, you you drink booze here

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Speaker 1: all the damn time, like what they really everything everything

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Speaker 1: was at the moment. Yes, when I came back from Texas,

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Speaker 1: Catalina wine mixer and it was it was a lot

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Speaker 1: and uh Noah and Nate, who are Rachel's older brothers. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but we were just all dancing and the sand and

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Speaker 1: mean Dan, Dan has always been very apologetic. I noticed

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Speaker 1: even in interviews when he even told the cops. He's like,

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Speaker 1: where she was really questioning things, was that when they

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00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 1: were living at Noah's place. I think so, Yeah, I

428
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: think so, I think yeah. So that was probably putting

429
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: pressure on their relationship too, I mean yeah, but I

430
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 1: mean she was because Noah actually put himself on the least.

431
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 1: They had such a bad credit because they had no

432
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: money and they had been evicted from another place in

433
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: Long Beach, and so Noah put his name on on

434
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: the lease, probably to say, look, guys, maybe the best

435
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: thing is for you to move on and get a

436
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: place of your own. And actually Valentine's Day, ever, is

437
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: when they moved into the Camdens. I think it sounds

438
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: like they were both kind of questioning each other as

439
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 1: far as do they will is this something they want

440
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: to do? For the long haul. Definitely, I felt like, right, yeah,

441
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: I always felt that Rachel kind of had one foot

442
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: out the door. You know, I never ever once thought

443
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: that their marriage would ever last. You're not interesting, um,

444
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: because I don't know. I just felt that if Rachel

445
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: met somebody who was hotter, or richer and better looking,

446
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 1: she would leave. And you know, she did find she

447
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: did find a sex tape of Dan on with a

448
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,239
Speaker 1: former girlfriend. I'm sure that would kiss her off. And

449
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: that was just a few weeks before the murders. Did

450
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: she ever mention Brittany Boo dre and so he described

451
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: it to her when she found it, which, by the way,

452
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: it was sitting right next to the gun in the

453
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: little fire safe in their bedrooms. So interesting how she

454
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: could have found the sex tape but didn't know about

455
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: a gun. She she told her friends the night he

456
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: was arrested at his bachelor party for accessory after the

457
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: fact is the police thought he was helping Sam hiding Sam.

458
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: She she told her friends at Dave Barnhardt's apartment, one

459
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: of the guys at the Camden, that she didn't know

460
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: Dan had a gun. But meanwhile, the sex tape was

461
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: right next to the gun in this very small little

462
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: safe they had in the bedroom. But he described it

463
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: to her, Oh, I taped this so that I can

464
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: extort the family for money. That's how he explained it

465
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: away sex tape, like while they were when they were engaged.

466
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: So um, and that family is actually coming on the

467
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: podcast in a future episode. And they considered him family.

468
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: They considered him like a son. They would take him

469
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: on cruises. Their daughter dated him for a good two

470
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: years and uh or nearly two years. So the idea

471
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: that he was contemplating doing that, which I don't think

472
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: he ever would. They said he never asked them for money,

473
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: and that was never and he they were mom and

474
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: dad to him that he was. He'd come there, come

475
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: and go as he pleased, and even kept a relationship

476
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: with him after he broke up with Brittany. So but

477
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: for her to hear that explanation and go oh, okay,

478
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: like I mean, that's basically she she described it to police,

479
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: so matter of fact, it was as if she explained

480
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: it away and she was she was okay with it right,

481
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: like she was behind and supportive. Well, I mean, basically

482
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: any way to get money. I have a friend who

483
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: said Audrey I've never been so happy that you're so poor.

484
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: That's although very scary, very scary, and also very sad

485
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: because they did find or Dan at least found a target.

486
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: I want to talk about now these texts because you

487
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: you you, as I've said to you earlier, I'm giving

488
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: you the crown for the best instincts of the bunch,

489
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: because you decided as this relationship was starting to unravel,

490
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: you know, you felt that it was getting more and more, um,

491
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, in a dark place that you were

492
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: just not comfortable anymore. You felt that maybe in some

493
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: way your safety was threatened because you had a conversation

494
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: with her at the pool one day. Yeah, I was

495
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: at a friend's birthday and she she um, brought up

496
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: ecstasy and I was like, why did you do that? Like,

497
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: I didn't everythink that that's something that you would do.

498
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: Our vice was wine and cigarettes and that was it.

499
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: And she told me that at her bachelorette party, which

500
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: hadn't happened yet. Just just for clarification, you were going

501
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: to be one of the bridesmaids, one of the four bridesmaids. Correct, Yes, yes,

502
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: I was, so she You're having this conversation at the

503
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: pool so and she said that she um. She jokingly

504
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: said that she wanted to slip a pill into my

505
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: drink so that I would know how it feels to

506
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: be on ecstasy on ecstasy because oh it's great and

507
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: it's wonderful and I would love it and I should

508
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: just try it once. And I was like, no, I'm good,

509
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: I don't you don't want But she made that joke

510
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, don't do that, like like,

511
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: why would you even suggest it? And she's like, I'm

512
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: just kidding, and yes it does. Because Rachel jokes about

513
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: a lot that they and does them. She's that type

514
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: of person. She'll say one thing and do something else.

515
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: And to me to how somebody like her say that

516
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: she would slip me a pill and I was like, well,

517
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: I would notice, and she's like, no, you wouldn't. I

518
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: would do it when you weren't looking. And I was like,

519
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: oh my god, she really so you really? Yeah, this

520
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: person has it in their mind already that her bachelor

521
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: she totally wants to drug me. She probably wants to

522
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: do drugs at her bachelotte, and she probably thinks everybody

523
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: else would totally be fine for it, except for me.

524
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. Now, when she's telling you this in

525
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: the pool, did you get the sense at that point, Oh,

526
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: she's already tried it, she already has. I felt really uncomfortable.

527
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: I just just something that maybe that's something collected. She

528
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: was going to the next level and you didn't want

529
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: to go with you. I'm like, so you're doing a

530
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: bunch of drugs now, right, And that was just a

531
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: place she didn't want to go. No, no, and never

532
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: never know. And then when she was leaving the party,

533
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,719
Speaker 1: they hit my car because this was when they were

534
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: going to rehearsals, you know, for nine for nine, And

535
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: she backed up and hit my car and I heard it.

536
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: I was like, what the hell? And then oh, dude,

537
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: we hit your car, but don't worry. We didn't done

538
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: to or anything. Did they know they didn't my car,

539
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: but they still hit it. I'm like, so that was

540
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: that was one of the bad days. Yes, I mean

541
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: I could look back and laugh now, but at the time,

542
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: I was like, what the hell, guys, But that's really

543
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: when your instincts kicked in. Yeah, And I just I

544
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: feel really, really uncomfortable. It's time for me to distance myself.

545
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: I think that was like on a Friday. So how

546
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: did you how did you break ties? How did that happen?

547
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: So it was here, you were going to be at

548
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: her wedding and her brought one of her bridesmaids and

549
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: you had been with them together for so long. Tell

550
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: us about the hot tub story. When you had met Sam.

551
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: It was at Camden and we were just all hanging

552
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: out around the pool and the jacuzzis, I want to say,

553
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: they were Twe went over to talk to like Dan

554
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: and all the boys, and Dan was talking to everybody

555
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: about the d Y and Sam was but yeah, I

556
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,959
Speaker 1: know he was there because that's when he did his

557
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: whole gorilla routine and that was just hysterical. And that

558
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: guerrilla routine was the Afghan story. Sorry, yeah, about how

559
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: he stopped he was drunk and he stopped traffic and

560
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: then pretending to be a gorilla and he just cars

561
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: and yeah, I just pantomizing the whole thing. It was

562
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: so funny, this hysterical. But then things got really serious

563
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: and then started through conversation, Dan complained about the d

564
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: Y and Um being in jail, in jail, and then

565
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: Sam talked about his jail time and you know other

566
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: people talked about bad things that they've gotten in trouble

567
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 1: with the law for whatever. Because I think Sam reacted

568
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: pretty strongly because as I spent two years, everybody was

569
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: like one day was the you know, like bashing them off,

570
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: like you're not your assissy, but oh please, one day

571
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: is nothing. But that's an important exchange because at that moment,

572
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: that's when Dan and Rachel found out about Sam's past

573
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: and that he was charged with murder at one point,

574
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: and I believe that's what started putting the target on

575
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: his back, which is really creepy to think that they

576
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 1: were planning something like that far ahead of time. Yeah,

577
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: so anyway, that happened when you were at the hot

578
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: tub with them, pretty crazy, right, Yeah, that's so? Was

579
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 1: that the was that the day you find he ended

580
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: things with them? Soon after that you said it was

581
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: a Sunday. I think it was like on a Sunday night. Um,

582
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: so that was Saturday. So then Sunday rolls around in

583
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: you and I. They went over there and Rachel disappeared

584
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: for a while, and I'm like, where's Rachel? And I

585
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: asked Dan and he's like, well, she probably went to

586
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: Gomi smoke a cigarette. Somewhere, but she didn't want you

587
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: to bum one off of her because she only had

588
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: one left and she didn't want to feel bad and

589
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: she didn't want to have to share it with you.

590
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, okay, I get that because

591
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: we're so broken. Cigarettes were expensive to us, you know, yeah, okay,

592
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: I get not wanting to share your last one of

593
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: your last two cigarettes with somebody if you can't afford

594
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: to buy another pack anytime soon. And I'm like okay.

595
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: So I went back inside and then Rachel appeared a

596
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: few minutes later, and she seemed a little off, but

597
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: she's probably just drunk again whatever. And then um, one

598
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: of our friends, she kind of leaned over and looked

599
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: at her and she's like, you're rolling, aren't you? And

600
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: I was like, what the fund is rolling? What does

601
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 1: that mean? What does what does that mean? And she's

602
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: like she's doing drugs and I was like what, And

603
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: Rachel denied it and then she was like so what

604
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: kind of like yeah, yeah I did. And I got upset.

605
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: I can't believe you do that. I can't believe you

606
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: would do them from me, not in front of me,

607
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: but just know how he drugged in front of me, basically.

608
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: So I went outside and I yelled it down. Rachel

609
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: is in there right now on drugs, and Dan was like,

610
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: what do you mean I hid that from her? She

611
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been able to find it. She probably just

612
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: went upstairs to Via and got it from them. Wait

613
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: a second, you mean to tell me that you actually

614
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: bought jugs. You have them in your house and you're

615
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: saving them for a later date, to you actually consistently

616
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: using them. And he's like, you know what, after a

617
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: long day of work and stress and blah blah blah

618
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: blah blah, we just like to relax and unwind. Sometimes

619
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: you're you're you're actively doing drugs. Yeah, I forget what

620
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: the word was, oh, I said. I was like, so

621
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: you're condoning her actions. You're okay with her doing jugs

622
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: because you're doing jugs too, Great, Dan, jugs great? And

623
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: I yeah. I went back inside cried in the bathroom

624
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: for a bit. Rachel was came and was like, oh,

625
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I didn't know that this would make

626
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: you so upset, and I was like, of course, it

627
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: makes me upset. You're doing drugs, like and I grabbed

628
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: my purse and I run outside and I just was

629
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: Dan was like, are you going? And she's drugged up.

630
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 1: You're condoning this action. I can't believe you're letting her

631
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: do this. And I just hopped the fence and I

632
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: ran off and Dan chase after me, and he was

633
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: angry because I always took Rachel's side and I was

634
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: being Rachel's friend and not his friend. And did you

635
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: feel threatened at that point? Yes. He hit me in

636
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: the arm and he was like, some fucking friend you are,

637
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: and he like hit me and I had my shoe

638
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: and I have perfect aim when i'm angry. Okay, let

639
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: me just tell you. And I knew that if I

640
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 1: threw it and I hit his head, he would come

641
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: turn around on me, and like, I still wanted to

642
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: hit him back, so I threw my shoe in the

643
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: middle of his back and he was, fuck, you, don't

644
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: come back. We don't want you here in my you know,

645
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: we don't want you in our life anymore. You're not

646
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: our friend. And I was like, that's fine. I don't

647
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: want to be friends with drugg ease. And I left,

648
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: but I couldn't actually leave because I was so emotionally distraught.

649
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: I was crying in my car and Rachel came back

650
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: to me, and you know, Rachel's like, oh, we're sorry.

651
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: And our friend was like, I made them throw all

652
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: the drugs away. I saw them flush it down the

653
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 1: or they flushed it down the toilet. Did you see

654
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: them flushed it down the Did you see I go

655
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,959
Speaker 1: in the toilet? No, you didn't, and so they're probably lying.

656
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: But I was just so upset. I couldn't drive. Well,

657
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: you knew it was the end, yeah, And so I

658
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: went back inside. Yeah, I went back inside because I

659
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: couldn't d like you know, back um, and I I went.

660
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: I was just I just I couldn't drive. I was

661
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: too upset. And I went back in and Dan gave

662
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: me a side hug and he's like, I'm really sorry,

663
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: and I was like, apologize to me when you're sober.

664
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: And I walked away like I just yeah. I didn't

665
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: didn't like hug him either, but he put his arm

666
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: around me. I said, apologize when you're sober, because I

667
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: don't believe you. Yeah. In the morning, like Dan, Dan

668
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: had gone already because he had left for work. And

669
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: what work? What was he working? I think he was

670
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: working at Oh No, he wasn't working for a Rizon

671
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: he was. He just had that little happy hour he

672
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: was doing the happy Hour card and traveling around to

673
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: a bunch of places trying to sell them and whatever, um,

674
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: which apparently he wasn't. He was just out in Newport

675
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: Beach getting drunk or something at the beach or I

676
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: don't know that. So that's that's what I heard. I

677
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: heard that he wasn't he would sell them, but he

678
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: would use but yeah, yeah, he would use an his

679
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 1: excused to get out of the house because he didn't

680
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: want to Rachel to know that he wasn't making any

681
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: money and he was just selling those cards as best

682
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: as he could. But he was also just hanging out

683
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: of bars getting drunk with people while trying to sell

684
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: the cards. Did you ever have a sense because that

685
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: right at the that time when you were started, you know,

686
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: pulling back and breaking things off, that was at the

687
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: height of their financial stressful status where they were being evicted.

688
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: Did you did she magether being evicted and so so

689
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: she didn't. She didn't bring that up. Ever. They never

690
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,479
Speaker 1: talked to me about their money issues ever. I mean, yeah,

691
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: they'd be like, oh, yeah, we're both broke because we're

692
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: college students. Of course we're broke, you know. But I

693
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: thought Dan had a job that paid enough to support them,

694
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: like to buy the rent. And you know, they just

695
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: kind of open the fridge, Violet said, when she had

696
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: opened the fridge, you could tell there's areay two things.

697
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: And yeah, there was never anything in the fridge. They

698
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: had more alcohol than that. It was always alcohol, and

699
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, hey, there's cheese and a packet of

700
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: hot dogs and some catch out like yeah, yeah, they're

701
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: fus was empty, you know. Okay, So I want to

702
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: talk about So what was your final goodbye? I mean,

703
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: so that morning we were all sleeping in the living

704
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: room and she apologized and I said I love you

705
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: and goodbye, and I walked out and I left and

706
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: I never talked to her and never saw her again. Well,

707
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say I never talked her. That's what we're

708
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: going I never. I never thought about because you did

709
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: talk to her a phone call as well as some texts.

710
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: So should we talk about the phone call first? Uh? Sure,

711
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, which one? Well? Why are we talking the

712
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: order it happened? Yeah, let's do that. So tell me

713
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: which happened first, because I do have texts here that

714
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: were days after the murders MA, and then I have

715
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: other texts that were later on in twenty when she

716
00:42:55,160 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: had her first attorney, which was I leave. That's when

717
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: you got a whole another are asking you to be

718
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: a character in this. So I don't know where the

719
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: call lands in all of that, in the scheme of it,

720
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: after the text before the character witnessed. The first one

721
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: was a Monday May. I remember I was at the

722
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: gas station and she sent me in text asking me

723
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: to meet up. She wanted to meet up with me.

724
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: And now let's just let's just make it clear that

725
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: this was three days after the murders took place Friday

726
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: afternoon one, and then that evening actually at the turn

727
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: of midnight on the those were the two time frames

728
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: of the murders. And then she's calling you Monday, she's texting,

729
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: You were calling you, texting, texting, and I had no

730
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: idea about these. You had no idea about anything. So

731
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: you hadn't even heard any of the news that a

732
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: body was found in Sam's apartment. First thing I heard

733
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: about any of it was after Dan's arrest, when somebody

734
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: messaged me and asked me, Hey, why is Rachel and

735
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: Dan's wedding off. That's the first thing I've heard about it,

736
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: getting these texts at the guest is. Yeah, So, as

737
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: far as I knew, the wedding was still want and

738
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: she was asking me to um be her bride'smaid, and

739
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: she missed me, and she wanted me to come back.

740
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 1: She's asking you to please resume the role of always

741
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: were going to be a bridesmaid. And then she figured

742
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 1: when you said goodbye, and then when I said goodbye,

743
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: and um, she thought that meant you were out of

744
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: her wedding. Right, Yeah, she was out of her life.

745
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: I was. I was when I said good like I mean,

746
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: she might not have known, but when I said goodbye,

747
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: I knew that was my final goodbye. I'd love you

748
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 1: and goodbye. She knew that I was her letting out

749
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: of their friendship, that I didn't want to be her

750
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: friend again because I didn't want to be around any

751
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: of the drugs. So and I told her, I was like,

752
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: why don't you make one of your new friends your bride'smaids?

753
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: Like I'm not. I told her, I don't want to

754
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: be around drugs and stuff like that, make her when

755
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: if you're bridesmaids because I'm not going to do it.

756
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: I had such a I don't know how to describe it,

757
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: but it was in my stomach, in my gut, just

758
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: this like wrenching, like don't you even think about seeing her?

759
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: Because I mean I cared about her a lot, we

760
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: were very best friends. Loved her, Yeah, exactly, and I

761
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: just as much as, of course I would want to,

762
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: Oh you're you're hurting, of course, let me be there

763
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 1: for you. But it just it was not saying don't

764
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: even think about it, don't and it just that's what

765
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: they call it. Yeah, it was your body was if

766
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: I did I probably if I had said yes, I

767
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: probably would have vomited on the spot. That's how like

768
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: sick I felt. I was like, no, interesting that, Yes,

769
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: I was just so she was asking you in a

770
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: text to physically meet up. Yeah, she's let's meet up,

771
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: let's get cough. She's ship in my life has gone bad?

772
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 1: And did you ask what is she referring to? Know?

773
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: She's like, if you could see where my life is now,

774
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna I'm going to because you you

775
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: were kind enough to give them so how about if

776
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 1: I just read them real quickly to so, so it

777
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: was Monday PM. Hey, I know you're at work right now.

778
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: Do you want to get some coffee or something when

779
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 1: you're done, I'd like to talk. And then at nine

780
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: oh three pm, so you obviously didn't answer her right away.

781
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: I can throw someone else in as my bridesmaid, but

782
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: it's not going to be someone like you who I

783
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: wanted in the wedding. I'm just afraid that we're both

784
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: going to regret this. So should we try to work

785
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: this out and see if we're going to be friends

786
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: still now rather than later. I just feel hard if

787
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: we were able to work it out our differences and

788
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: then finding this out later, and you would have missed

789
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: my wedding, and then at Tuesday May at eleven oh

790
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: two am. All right, Well, I'd rather still rather you

791
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: be there rather than someone who hasn't been an amazing friend,

792
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: even though you cannot continue to be. My life has

793
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: been so fucked up and stressful. I'd rather not put

794
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 1: one of my quote unquote new friends. That would worsen things.

795
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: But if you feel that uncomfortable, I understand. So it

796
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: feels like maybe there was a missing text back from you. Yeah,

797
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: because that that for whatever reason you didn't we didn't

798
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: you didn't give to me. But and then it says,

799
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: I kind of she continues, and this is again the

800
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: next Tuesday morning, right, I mean it's the following Tuesday morning.

801
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: She's saying, kind of wish I had nothing to do

802
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: with my life right now. If you change your mind,

803
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 1: let me know today, or or if you can stand

804
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: to talk to me, I've called I could really use

805
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: and then she's Tuesday, this is the last text to

806
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: you on again to they made oh four am, I

807
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: could really use a friend in some advice one last time.

808
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: Thanks for all your love and friendship. You've been great.

809
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: In one of your texts back to Rachel, you said

810
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: you can text me, you can call me, but I

811
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: don't want to ever see you in person again. And

812
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: she sounded like she was saying that to you. She said,

813
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: if you only knew how fucked up my life lost

814
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: right now. And of course at the time, I was

815
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: just like, honey, it's just the wedding jitters, like it's okay,

816
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: call him the heck down. But you know, obviously afterwards,

817
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 1: looking back at that text, yeah, I really was fucked

818
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: up right back, like, oh, and so tell us then

819
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: how did you find out about the cancelation of the

820
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: weddings and his arrest? And so I was at work

821
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: and I was online on a website that connects all

822
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: your messaging programs, and my friend messaged me and said, hey,

823
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: did you know Rachel and Dan canceled their wedding? Do

824
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 1: what happened? Do you know why? And of course I

825
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: don't know why. I never got that email, and I

826
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: wasn't I'm not involved in the wedding anymore. And I

827
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: told them like, no, I don't talk to them at all.

828
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: They're like, you haven't talked to him at all? I

829
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: was like no, I was serious when I said, like,

830
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: I'm not talking to them anymore. They're not my friends.

831
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: And this was on Thursday. Yeah, yeah, And so I'm,

832
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: you know, sitting here like what the heck happened? And

833
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: I messaged Shana like, hey, why did they call up

834
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 1: their wedding? That's Shana Adler, Rachel's last remaining friend. Yeah,

835
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: And then she told me that Dan had been arrested

836
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,720
Speaker 1: for and all like the boys had been arrested and

837
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: for being accessories to a murder and I was like,

838
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 1: are you serious? And so my mind wasn't it. Days

839
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: after that, I just couldn't wrap I head around that.

840
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: And then later, uh, like the next day I found

841
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 1: out Dan tried to commit suicide in the thing by

842
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: like hitting his head really hard against him, like really,

843
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: got you're so stupid. Um. But I found out he

844
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: tried to kill himself, and I was like, oh my god.

845
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: And then I think when was it that they said

846
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: that that he was at fault, because well, they charged him.

847
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: They charged him with murder on mate. The excess we

848
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: charged was at his bachelor party at Tsunami and hunting

849
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: to meat. That was Wednesday night. On by Thursday afternoon,

850
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: he confessed and that's when they charged him officially with murder.

851
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: And then they went that night to find Sam's body

852
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: in the attic of the theater. Yeah, so that that

853
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: was happening. That was Thursday, which is you were at

854
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: work when I guess they they basically said that they

855
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: are canceling the wedding or somehow Rachel put it out

856
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: there at she she had emailed everybody. That's what my

857
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: friend said that everybody was sending email saying that the

858
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: wedding was canceled and they apologized and then um so

859
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: I asked Shana and I was like, what happened? Why? Now?

860
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 1: Shana Adler was still close with her for quite some

861
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: time after, right, I mean she she was one of

862
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:26,720
Speaker 1: the believers in and Rachel's innocence. Her and Caitlin Gult

863
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: don't remember. She's another one that they did like posters

864
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: and Facebook pages right raising Rachel's innocent Oh yeah, I

865
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: remember that Facebook page. And then that gut, gut wrenching

866
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: feeling that you spoke about. Do you what do you

867
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: think that was fun? Was it just because you were

868
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 1: hearing from her or did you have some other weird

869
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: psychic feeling because that was the week in the Honestly,

870
00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 1: I feel that it was the gods just saying like, no, don't,

871
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: don't cut ties, leave alone, don't, don't, don't have coffee

872
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: with or don't like basically like that it's the wrong choice.

873
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: You made the right choice in leaving. Don't go back

874
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: like it was just big red blood, you know, and yeah,

875
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: and gut instinct, just don't do it. You reach out

876
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 1: to her on June and you say to her, don't worry, honey,

877
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: You're not ends with me. I don't hate you, and

878
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: I honestly wish you the best. It's just that the

879
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: problem is that I care too much about you. I

880
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: can't take care of you, and I'm too old to

881
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: be running around town acting like a hooligan, smoking my

882
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 1: cigarettes and getting drunk, and I just I don't want

883
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 1: to have to babysit you while you get drunk, because

884
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: you do things that just aren't safe, like getting out

885
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: of moving cars and climbing trees and driving drunk. And

886
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: I'm honestly trying to be a better purse sin. I

887
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: just when you started doing drugs, I realized I just

888
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: didn't want my life heading in that direction, and I

889
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: already felt uncomfortable around all the neighbors you hung out

890
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 1: with at that apartment, so I had to leave. Even

891
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: though I loved you, I had to get out of

892
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: the situation. And I realized I left you at too

893
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: horrible in your life, and maybe it was for the

894
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: better for me, But I still feel horrible about what

895
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: you're going through, and I kind of think you might

896
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: need a shrink after this to help you cope with

897
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: all the emotional damage that will be left. But I

898
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: know you're strong enough to get through this, so don't worry.

899
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: I don't hate you, I'm not upset. We aren't it ends.

900
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: I don't want anything bad to happen to you. I

901
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: love you and miss you, even if I can't hang

902
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: with you anymore Audrey, and then her response, you're getting

903
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 1: teared up because you're remembering someone you thought you knew, right.

904
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: Rachel's response, there's just a few heres, let me get

905
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: through them. Thank you for explaining, Rachel says to you,

906
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: don't worry about me either. I'm going to be fine.

907
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: I'm getting closer and closer to God, and I was

908
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: just getting this feeling that life is going to be very,

909
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: very short. I'm not here for myself anymore. I'm here

910
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: to fulfill God's purpose, and I'm ready to do it

911
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: as soon as possible, so he'll take me to the

912
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: next life when I'm done. Through all of this, I'm

913
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 1: realizing love in all its shapes and forms and depth.

914
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: And I just wanted you to know that I love you.

915
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: If you ever need something, just let me know. That

916
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: is if you can deal with me being completely exited

917
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: in having one track mind, I think only of my

918
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: Christian God, his salvation plan, presence, et cetera. As I

919
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: remember you've had enough of that, laugh out loud, love

920
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: you just the same. I only wish the best for

921
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: you as well. Love in Christ, Rachel. The next response.

922
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: The next text was from you to Rachel, saying, well,

923
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: if you're sincere in your sudden love of God, then

924
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: I applaud you, and I hope it doesn't disappear once

925
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 1: you're feeling better, and you shouldn't be wishing to die

926
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: so soon. That won't make anyone happy. And that statement

927
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 1: sounds super suicidal. And I believe in God. It's just

928
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: that I don't believe in your Christian God and the

929
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: necessity to believe in Jesus for salvation. And I'm turned

930
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 1: off by zealous who professed to be a loving Christian

931
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: and full of Christ's love and then stand there damning

932
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 1: everyone to hell and all who are full of hate.

933
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: But I have something against anyone who is full of

934
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: that much hate. Also, I'm a very spiritual person. We

935
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 1: just have different beliefs. I have become closer to God

936
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: and no longer practice witchcraft and have started to take

937
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: the next step of converting. Blessed be Audrey. That was

938
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: the last text that you sent to Rachel in June.

939
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: So let's talk about that exchange. Well, that was when

940
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: I was dating my Jewish boyfriend and I was seriously

941
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: considering converting to cheats. M didn't happen, but I digress. Um,

942
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, she The funny thing is why I said, like,

943
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 1: if you're serious about it, it's one thing. But we

944
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: rarely ever had any talks about Jesus or God or religion.

945
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: And I don't ever remember her even going to church.

946
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 1: Like I knew her parents did. I knew they were

947
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: like a wholesome Christian family air quotes, But God never

948
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: ever seemed like a part of her life or never

949
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: entered into your conversation God conversation, this subject of God

950
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 1: and how she's following the Lord and is a performance exactly,

951
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: it's it's it's so fake because I know she would

952
00:56:54,160 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: never actually I feel like that that was so so

953
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: it sounds to you as if maybe there's a reason

954
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: that all of a sudden she has found God. Of course,

955
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 1: because everybody loves somebody who suddenly found the big Man

956
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: in the sky and is deeply devout in having all

957
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: of a sudden like, oh now I'm a Christian and

958
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: I have morals because I love Jesus, which is not

959
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: loving Jesus doesn't make you have morals. It doesn't, you know,

960
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: like and it certainly doesn't give you a pass from

961
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: planning murders exactly, friends or and it it's I know

962
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: it's fake. I know that she knows people are reading

963
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: what she's writing. And so everybody likes a good redemption

964
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: story of somebody who was a terrible, horrible person who

965
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: all of a sudden found spirituality and divine inspiration. And

966
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: is I'm such a good person now and I was

967
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: so terrible and I found the error of ways, but

968
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: please look at me, how wonderful I am. That certainly

969
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: sounds like that's the script exactly. So so you read

970
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: through it. You you certainly read through it. And so

971
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: now you said there was there was some phone call,

972
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: because you did have another exchange with her, very brief.

973
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: But in between those exchanges there was a phone call.

974
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: There was a random phone call. Um, I was at

975
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: hooka night with some friends, and I remember, because I was,

976
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: I walked outside because it was loud, and I remember thinking,

977
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: my god, she lives awfully close to here, and and

978
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: my first thought was, oh, God, did she drive by

979
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: and see me or something, you know, having a cigarette,

980
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: you know, and like she lived down the streets, so

981
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: if she saw me outside smoking a cigarette, that was

982
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: like did she see me? Is that why she's calling me?

983
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: Or anyway, And at that point, you of course knew

984
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: about the murders, She just didn't know her outside and

985
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: then but I'm saying, at that point in time, you

986
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: knew about the murders, you knew Dan was arrested for them,

987
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: you just didn't know her role. Yeah, but yeah, it

988
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: was still very much as she was the innocent party,

989
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: no involvement, and it was all Dan's sort of thing.

990
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: I feel sorry for me because I was duped. But yeah,

991
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: and she called me to say how you doing, and

992
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: told me that she had a really weird experience because

993
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: I know she knew I would believe it, going back

994
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: the whole witchcraft thing. Um. And she said she she

995
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: was with her boyfriend and they were like hanging out.

996
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: She met somebody knew and he was basically like, Hey,

997
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: I have this weird inkling to take you somewhere. I

998
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: feel this really weird calling. Let's go for a drive

999
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: sort of thing. And they got into the car, and

1000
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: he took her to the Elderado Nature Center, and she

1001
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: said she started to cry and was like, why would

1002
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: you take me here? Why would why would you bring

1003
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: me here? And he's like, well, I just felt like

1004
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: I had to. There was just like something drawing him

1005
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: to bring her there, because he had no idea about

1006
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: her or anything that had happened. And so she told

1007
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: him what had happened, and he's like, oh, okay, well

1008
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: that's why I felt called to bring you here. You know.

1009
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: She told him what happened, but she didn't tell him

1010
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: about the spreading of the body parts there, so she

1011
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: he when he brought her there, he had no idea

1012
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: and everything. And then when they were there, she shared

1013
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: everything and how he was like, well, you know, I'm

1014
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: a medium. That's why I was drawn here, and I

1015
01:00:55,720 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: want you to know that. Uh M says it's not

1016
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: your fault. And too, he's in a good place, he's

1017
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: in heaven and not to cry for him and that

1018
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: sort of thing. Wow. Yeah, And and she she said

1019
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: that she didn't talk to anybody else about it because

1020
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: nobody else would believe her except for me. Because I'm

1021
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: spiritual and I feel in tune to that sort of stuff,

1022
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: And so of course she would tell me because I

1023
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: would believe her. Whether the story is true, who knows.

1024
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: What did you say to her? The first of all,

1025
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: she called and answered the phone because I had those

1026
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: the text messages. I had told her, if you need me,

1027
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: you can text me or call me and I'll pick

1028
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: up and I'll talk to you. But I can't hang

1029
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: out with you. I can't be around you. I just

1030
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: can't do it. And so she called me and I

1031
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: picked up, and I mean, this is a couple of

1032
01:01:55,720 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: months after and So's arrest. Yeah, yeah, a couple of

1033
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: after Dan's arrest. I think it was I really don't

1034
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: know close out to fall, I think, But what did

1035
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 1: you say on the phone when she told you that?

1036
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: I think for me, I was still kind of processing,

1037
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: like do I believe this? Do I not believe this?

1038
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: Like wow, are you serious? And he didn't know about

1039
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: this beforehand? And he said that to you and she's

1040
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 1: like yeah, you know, and like that Sam was okay

1041
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: and not to cry about him, and you know, I

1042
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: was like, wow, that's that's really powerful. That's crazy. She

1043
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: said that Sam said it's not your fault like that,

1044
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: Like she shouldn't be worried because he's in heaven. And

1045
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: but I think that's poker talk for a tell for

1046
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: her to say. And he said, it's not your fault,

1047
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: like she's trying to convince you that she's in a sentence,

1048
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: did she say who the guy was that took her there?

1049
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: She didn't give the name of the guy because she

1050
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,439
Speaker 1: didn't know him. She just met him. And that's odd

1051
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: enough to get in someone's car that you don't even know. Yeah, exactly,

1052
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: that's what I'm thinking too. But at the same time, well,

1053
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: it's Rachel and she's completely reckless, so she totally would

1054
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: do that. So so let me just say in in

1055
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: conclusion that you had amazing instincts. I say it again,

1056
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: and I want to just read to you these final

1057
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: two emails that you did receive during it was January.

1058
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Speaker 1: It was Rachel had retained her first attorney for the

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01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:45,439
Speaker 1: charges that she was arrested and charged November with. In fact,

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01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: that time it was three felony counts of accessory after

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01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: the fact. And this is what Rachel sent to you. Hey, Han,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to have to bug you and ask you this,

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01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: but I kind of need to have my lawyer call

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01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 1: you at some point so she can chat with you

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01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 1: to see if we need you to testify in my

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01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: court case. I know you weren't really around right when

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01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: everything happened with Psycho, but it seems like since they

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01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: don't have anything against me, the trial is just going

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01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: to turn into a character assassination against me to make

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01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 1: a jury believe I'm the type of person that would

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01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: have been involved, So having people who knew me well

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01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: at the time might be really relevant. I don't have

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01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 1: your number anymore, so if you could message it to me,

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01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 1: I won't bother you, but just pass it on to

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01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: my lawyer, or if you want to text it to

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01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: me and I'm my number is still the same. And again,

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01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: sorry to have to bother you. I hope it's not

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01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: too much to ask. Hope all is well with you.

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01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 1: Love you and miss you, and you responded back almost immediately, Hon,

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01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: I love you, but I can't I can't be a

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01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 1: good character witness because I wasn't around you when you

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01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: guys decided to do drugs. I bailed. I don't know

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01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 1: how those drugs might have affected your personality went on them,

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01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: so I can't say what you would be like and emotionally,

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01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: it's still too much for me to deal with. I

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01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: know things have been hard on you, and I'm sorry

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01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: for everything you've gone through and I wish you the best. Yeah,

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01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: so she haunted you all these years in some way,

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01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: you do kind of always look over your shoulder. Do

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01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: you believe Rachel's role in the murders is much more

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01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: than what she was charged with? Uh? Yeah, I feel

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01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: that she definitely knew more than she let on that

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01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 1: it was a lie. You know, when when she was

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01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: on Dr Phil. I remember when she was enacting classes

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01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: and we would talk about acting in theater and everything.

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01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 1: I remember her once telling me that having open eyes

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01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: and blinking a lot portrayed innocence. Okay, fast forward to

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01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 1: Dr Phil show and she is dow in the head like, well,

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01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, well, why don't you do this? I

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01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: know her well enough to know that I know she's

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01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: lying right there. She's doing that, I think because she

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01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 1: told that's what she does want it. And I was like,

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01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: oh my god, she's she's doing I think I knew it,

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01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: like she's so. After Dan was arrested for murdering Sam

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01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: Harry and Julie Cabluishi. You called Rachel Yes, after my

1106
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: work shifter, or maybe it was on my lunch break.

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01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, but when I first found out, I

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01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: called her immediately and I was like, oh my god, Rachel,

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01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 1: I just heard you know. Of course I was very concerned.

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01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 1: I only stopped talking to her three weeks ago. And

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01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: she basically was like, what the hell does it matter

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01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 1: to you? You're only talking to me because you want

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01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: to be famous, because you want to be connected to me,

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01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: and you want your fifteen minutes of fame, basically accusing

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01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 1: me of being some limelight chaser? Are you serious? Do

1116
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: you really think that of me? And she's like yeah,

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01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: And I'm like okay, well by and I hung up.

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01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: So she was already I'm going to be famous? Yeah,

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01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: she she you know, she's like, you just want She

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01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 1: was accusing you of what she was looking forward to. Yeah,

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01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,959
Speaker 1: she you know that I was going to try to

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01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: steal her limelight or something. I don't know. Being famous

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01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 1: for being friends with a murderer is not a good thing.

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01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I don't care. I was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I was just trying to be nice. Goodbye.

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Speaker 1: You know that brings up something that reminds me of

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01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 1: an equivalent situation. When she was arrested, family and church

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01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 1: and friends raised the bond for the bail to get

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01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: her out, and she had a little press conference, and

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Speaker 1: I guess later that night she was calling her friends,

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01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 1: telling her friends, do you hear them? They're calling me

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01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: an actress? Oh? My god, of course. And I'm thinking, gosh, like,

1133
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't you be more concerned about that you were going

1134
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 1: to marry this person that that killed and chopped up

1135
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 1: your friends? Like, instead, you're thinking, do you hear what

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01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 1: they're calling me? They're calling me an actress? Absolutely? She

1137
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:34,719
Speaker 1: just she wants attention. She wants it's not it's because

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01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 1: fame brings attention and the love and adoration of fans,

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01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,719
Speaker 1: and that's what she wants. She wants everybody to love

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01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: her and admire her, and I think the world of

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01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: her and give her stuff. What Rachel forgot was there's

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01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 1: a big difference between fame and infamy, right, It's like, Oh,

1143
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 1: do you really want to be famous for that? No? No,

1144
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: you doubt But I mean, can you imagine, I mean,

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01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 1: you got out in the nick of time? Gosh, I did,

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01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: I really really did really did so so blessed and

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01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 1: fortunate to listen to my gut instincts and yeah, yeah, relief,

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01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:26,719
Speaker 1: It is a lot of relief. It's happiness that I'm alive,

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01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: that I didn't get involved in something broke. Yeah, yeah,

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01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 1: my friend, thank god, you're so broke, you know, like

1151
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 1: you're alive because you're broke, and I'm happy about that.

1152
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, I've never been more happy

1153
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 1: to be poor too. Um, the whole thing must feel

1154
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: so surreal to you. It does, it really does it.

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01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: I can't even describe it. It feels like I'm watching

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01:09:56,360 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: a play and I'm interacting with it, but I'm not

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01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 1: part of it. But I'm part of the audience. That's right.

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01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:09,679
Speaker 1: Maybe you're that narrator on the side that right. Then

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01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 1: this is Rachel slapped Dan across the face and yelled

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01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:16,799
Speaker 1: at him. You could see the blood rage and Dan's

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01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: eyes as he shook her, and he looked over to

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01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 1: me and said, you take care of her. I'm done

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01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 1: and walked away. Seen Audrey, I want to thank you

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01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 1: so much for your time. It really means a lot

1165
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 1: to hear your insights. You certainly knew her as a

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01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 1: friend better than most, and thank you for for being

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01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: so open and honest and willing to come on. Yeah,

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01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 1: no problem. Absolutely tune in next week to Sleuth and

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01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,879
Speaker 1: meet three new guests who will regale you with their personal,

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01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:04,600
Speaker 1: firsthand account of their twisted Rachel Buffett tails. Daniel Hulkyard,

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01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 1: Kristen Crane, and Ashley Mathis will each exclusively revealed to Sleuth.

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01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 1: They're shocking and unique Rachel Buffett encounters. If you enjoyed

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01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:20,479
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01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,719
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01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:27,000
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