WEBVTT - Louis Riel

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Holly Fry and I'm Tracy B. Wilson. Tracy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Canada is spending celebrating his hundred and fiftieth birthday. I

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<v Speaker 1>am aware of this. We know because lots of people

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<v Speaker 1>have mentioned it to us and requested that we do

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of Canadian history. UM. And one particular topic

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<v Speaker 1>has come up over and over and over so many times. Uh. Specifically,

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<v Speaker 1>it was requested by Alexander, Jamie, Susan, Nicole, Drina, Stasha

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<v Speaker 1>and Tyler. If you requested it and I missed you,

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<v Speaker 1>I apologize. Uh. But today this topic is considered by

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<v Speaker 1>some but not all historians to be the father of Manitoba,

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<v Speaker 1>and that disparity in these some but not all is uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And how he's viewed is something that's really been a

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<v Speaker 1>part of his agacy pretty much from the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>his life as a prominent figure in Manitoba and Canadian history.

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<v Speaker 1>And we were talking today about Louis Rielle. Before we

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<v Speaker 1>get into Louis Rielle's story, we need to back up

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit and set some context about the mate people.

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<v Speaker 1>The origin of the earliest Mayti is traced back to

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<v Speaker 1>the sixteen hundreds in eastern Canada. Matie is a French

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<v Speaker 1>word that translates roughly to mixed blood or hybrid. As

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<v Speaker 1>European fishermen took wives from the local indigenous population, their

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<v Speaker 1>children became the first generation of mate. Yeah. There are

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<v Speaker 1>a number of different translations that you will see of maytie,

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<v Speaker 1>from very sort of mild ones like oh it means

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<v Speaker 1>combined to some fairly disparaging type translations uh. Just if

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<v Speaker 1>you go looking know that that will happen. And as

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<v Speaker 1>the fur trade led French Canadian trappers and traders to

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<v Speaker 1>move west, they too often took wives from the Indian population,

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<v Speaker 1>marrying primarily Cree, Ogibwa or Salto women. And this was

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<v Speaker 1>the result to some degree of an eagerness on the

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<v Speaker 1>part of the people that lived there to foster positive

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<v Speaker 1>relationships with these Europeans that were moving in. So they

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<v Speaker 1>kind of offered them wives who would be able to

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<v Speaker 1>care for them uh and serve in in roles as wives,

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<v Speaker 1>but also that would translate and bridge any cultural confusion

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<v Speaker 1>between the Europeans and these indigenous peoples. The children of

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<v Speaker 1>these negotiated marriages became the foundation of the Western Meti Nation,

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<v Speaker 1>which was centered in the Red River region of what's

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<v Speaker 1>now Manitoba. This became a uniquely blended culture that incorporated

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<v Speaker 1>both French, Catholic and Native beliefs and traditions. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>there was even like a language that developed that is unique,

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<v Speaker 1>which I don't get into in this episode, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>quite fascinating. And the mate also had a vast knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>of both European and Native to Canada cultures, and so

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<v Speaker 1>they could easily work with both Indigenous and European groups,

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<v Speaker 1>and many as a consequence, became employees of the Northwest

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<v Speaker 1>Company and the Hudson's Bay Company, both of which were

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<v Speaker 1>the large fur trade enterprises operating in the Canadian areas

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. There is some irony there because initially

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<v Speaker 1>the Hudson's Bay Company actually discouraged these types of mixed marriages,

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<v Speaker 1>but they soon realized there were some benefits to having

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<v Speaker 1>employees with wide ranging skill sets that really helped the

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<v Speaker 1>fur trade grow. Yeah. I mean, among other things, they

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<v Speaker 1>were able to survive in climates that people that came

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<v Speaker 1>here straight from Europe weren't always prepared to deal with

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<v Speaker 1>and then they could teach other people, and they ended

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<v Speaker 1>up being just such a knowledge base for these companies.

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<v Speaker 1>Hudson's Bay Company also owned this massive tract of Canada

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<v Speaker 1>known as Rupert's Land, and this land had been given

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<v Speaker 1>to the company by King Charles the Second. It was

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<v Speaker 1>named for Prince Rupert of the Rhine, who held governorship

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<v Speaker 1>over the land when it was first granted in six

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<v Speaker 1>teen seventy. By the early eighteen hundreds, there was an

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<v Speaker 1>influx of European immigrants into the Red River Valley area,

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<v Speaker 1>and those immigrants were given land assignments from the Hudson's

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<v Speaker 1>Bay Company, but this was done completely ignoring the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that the Eight Nation people were already living there. Additionally,

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<v Speaker 1>the Northwest Company had trade routes through the land which

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<v Speaker 1>were disregarded in this process. As a result, the Northwest

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<v Speaker 1>Company was put in a position where they had no

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<v Speaker 1>real option but to merge with the Hudson's Bay Company,

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<v Speaker 1>and the combination of the two of them meant that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of land in Canada was owned by one

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<v Speaker 1>fur trading company. Yeah, if you look at maps that

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<v Speaker 1>overlay like here's Canada, Here's what was owned by the

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<v Speaker 1>Hudson's Bay Company at this time. It's like most of Canada,

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<v Speaker 1>uh which is interesting that it would all be owned

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<v Speaker 1>by a corporate venture. So the Red River Colony was

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<v Speaker 1>founded over the years of eighteen eleven and eighteen twelve

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<v Speaker 1>by a Scottish immigrant, Thomas Douglas, fifth Earl of Selkirk,

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<v Speaker 1>was granted a one hundred and sixteen thousand square mile

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<v Speaker 1>that's about a three hundred thousand square kilometer land parcel

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<v Speaker 1>by the Hudson's Bay Company, and though its initial years

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<v Speaker 1>as a settlement were kind of shaky due to fighting

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<v Speaker 1>caused by the rivalry between the then separate Hudson's Bay

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<v Speaker 1>Company in the north West Company, once the two for

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<v Speaker 1>trew one, things really started to stabilize, and in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty six the Hudson's Bay Company purchased the colony back

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<v Speaker 1>from the Selkirk estate. Louis David Riale was born in St.

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<v Speaker 1>Boniface and the Red River Colony on October twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen forty four. His father was a well respected member

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<v Speaker 1>of the Mate community and his mother was French Canadian.

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<v Speaker 1>Louis was their first child and they eventually had ten more.

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<v Speaker 1>At the age of fourteen, Riale traveled to Montreal to

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<v Speaker 1>be trained and educated for the priesthood, and when he

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<v Speaker 1>was thirteen he had actually been hand picked by the

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<v Speaker 1>clergy and Red River as a potential priest and to

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<v Speaker 1>go have this education and as a con quence, his

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<v Speaker 1>education was financed entirely through a scholarship, but he never

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<v Speaker 1>completed his training and he was never ordained. If he

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<v Speaker 1>had been, he would have been Canada's first mate priest.

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<v Speaker 1>And while he was excelling in seminary, he had also

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<v Speaker 1>met a young woman, Marie Julie Gerna, and the two

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<v Speaker 1>of them fell in love and became engaged. Real however,

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<v Speaker 1>was not really welcomed by her family. They were French

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<v Speaker 1>Canadian and they did not really have an interest in

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<v Speaker 1>marrying their daughter off to a mate man. After that,

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<v Speaker 1>he quit his religious studies. During that timult of his

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<v Speaker 1>failed romance, Reel's father died in eighteen sixty four, which

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<v Speaker 1>was also a huge blow and part of why he

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<v Speaker 1>was sort of willing to make this big sea change

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<v Speaker 1>and leave the seminary, and that also left his mother

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<v Speaker 1>and the rest of the family without a provider, and

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<v Speaker 1>Louis worked first for a time as a law clerk,

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<v Speaker 1>sending money back to the family, but eventually he returned

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<v Speaker 1>to St. Boniface in eighteen sixty eight. In eighteen say

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<v Speaker 1>ex nine, there was a deal in motion to annexed

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the Red River Settlement to the Dominion of Canada,

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<v Speaker 1>and a sale that would really benefit the Hudson's Bay Company,

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<v Speaker 1>but the Mayti people who lived in the area to

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<v Speaker 1>be annexed had no say in the matter, and there

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<v Speaker 1>were approximately nine thousand of those people. The whole deal

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<v Speaker 1>was being handled by the Fur Company, and the Canadian

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<v Speaker 1>government appointed a Lieutenant governor to oversee the survey work

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<v Speaker 1>that would re evaluate all this land for future use. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they were plotting rent along, kind of ignoring the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that there were a whole lot of people that already

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<v Speaker 1>called that place home, and the mate were concerned additionally

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<v Speaker 1>that there would be a massive influx of Anglo Protestant

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<v Speaker 1>immigrants crowding out the community that had been building up

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<v Speaker 1>the Red River Settlement for decades. There had already been

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<v Speaker 1>a steadily growing tension among the different cultures and religions

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<v Speaker 1>in the region, and the potential arrival of additional immigrants

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<v Speaker 1>from Ontario was seen as a real danger to the

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<v Speaker 1>future of the Mate way of life. This conflict led

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<v Speaker 1>to the founding of the Mayti National Committee, which had

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<v Speaker 1>a mission to defend Mate culture and to have a

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<v Speaker 1>political voice. Louis Rielle, whose family was prominent among the Mate,

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<v Speaker 1>was elected secretary of the Mayti National Committee and eventually

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<v Speaker 1>became its president. In his role and working, he was

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<v Speaker 1>able to stop the survey. It was actually halted on

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<v Speaker 1>October eleventh of eighteen sixty nine, but that was far

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<v Speaker 1>from the end of Riel's involvement in working against the

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<v Speaker 1>Canadian government. On behalf of the Mate and November, the

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<v Speaker 1>Mayte launched a more aggressive plan. First, the committee set

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<v Speaker 1>up a roadblock that would keep William McDougal, the Canadian

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<v Speaker 1>government's appointed Lieutenant governor, from entering the Red River Settlement.

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<v Speaker 1>In addition to preventing McDougal's visit, the committee also made

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<v Speaker 1>a raid on one of the Hudson's Bay Company posts,

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<v Speaker 1>Upper Fort Gary, and took over that post. Then they

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<v Speaker 1>set up their own government over the Red Middle River Settlement,

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<v Speaker 1>and once they had established their authority, the Mainti National

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<v Speaker 1>Committee invited delegates both French and English speakers from the

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<v Speaker 1>Red River Settlement to come to Upper Fort Gary so

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<v Speaker 1>they could all discuss the situation and what they were

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<v Speaker 1>all willing to accept as terms to allow the Lieutenant

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<v Speaker 1>Governor into the Red River Settlement. This whole sequence of

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<v Speaker 1>events became known as the Red River Rebellion and in

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<v Speaker 1>the in early December, the Mainti National Committee formed a

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<v Speaker 1>provisional government. At this point, John Bruce was still president

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<v Speaker 1>of the group and thus of the provisional government, and

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<v Speaker 1>Louis Rielle was a secretary. Eventually, Bruce stepped down due

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<v Speaker 1>to illness and Rielle assumed the leadership role of president.

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<v Speaker 1>And coming up next, we're going to talk about how

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<v Speaker 1>the issues with the Red River Settlement and the Canadian

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<v Speaker 1>government played out. But first we're gonna pause and have

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<v Speaker 1>a word from one of our sponsors. Bruce and Rielle

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<v Speaker 1>together issued the Declaration of the People of Rupert's Land

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<v Speaker 1>and the North West on December eight. This document stated

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<v Speaker 1>plainly that the Canadian government did not have any authority

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<v Speaker 1>in the region and offered the opportunity for Canada to

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<v Speaker 1>negotiate with the mate provisional government to reach some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of settlement. In response to this declaration, the Canadian government

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<v Speaker 1>sent three men Hudson's Bay Company wrapped Donald Smith, Colonel

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<v Speaker 1>Charles de Salibarry, and Reverend Jean Baptiste Tebou to negotiate.

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<v Speaker 1>Initial efforts on the part of Canada's trio were focused

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<v Speaker 1>on setting up a structure for the discussions where all

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<v Speaker 1>of the stakeholders could be involved. It was decided that

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<v Speaker 1>forty representatives of the settlement, half English speakers half French speakers,

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<v Speaker 1>would meet in a convention with the Canadian government's negotiators

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<v Speaker 1>to see if an agreement could be struck so the

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<v Speaker 1>lands under the leadership of the Mati National Committee could

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<v Speaker 1>join with Canada. In January seventy the forty men assembled

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<v Speaker 1>as delegates made a list of conditions that had to

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<v Speaker 1>be met for them to join the Confederation of Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the course of the next two months, the convention

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<v Speaker 1>formed into a more structured entity with the legislative branch,

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<v Speaker 1>an executive branch, and a judicial branch, and it took

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<v Speaker 1>the name Provisional Government of a Sinebwa. Three delegates were

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<v Speaker 1>selected from this new provisional government to be sent to Ottawa,

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<v Speaker 1>and there they negotiated with co Premier George Etienne Cartier

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<v Speaker 1>to integrate the territory including and surrounding Red River, into

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<v Speaker 1>the confederation. There was not universal support for the efforts

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<v Speaker 1>of the MATE National Committee and the provisional government they established, though.

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<v Speaker 1>A group of armed Canadians gathered in force and made

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<v Speaker 1>their way to Red River, and the MATE quickly took

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<v Speaker 1>them into custody and confined them at Upper Fort Gary.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the men who was captured by the MATE

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<v Speaker 1>was Thomas Scott. Scott was a member of the Orange Order,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a pro Protestant group in Canada that viewed

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<v Speaker 1>French Canadians and Catholics as inferior. For his involvement in

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<v Speaker 1>the attempted attack on Red River, Scott was court martialed

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<v Speaker 1>by the MATE leader ship and sentenced to death. He

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<v Speaker 1>was executed by firing squad on March fourth, eighteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>and as a consequence, Louis Rielle was despised by many

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<v Speaker 1>Protestants after that. But this incident did not halt the

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<v Speaker 1>negotiations that were taking place in Ottawa. Yeah, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was actually an associate of Louis Rielle that that made

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<v Speaker 1>that decision to have Scott executed. But because Rielle was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the leader of this rebellion. At this point

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<v Speaker 1>he was blamed and two months after Scott was executed,

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<v Speaker 1>the Manitoba Act, which made the Province of Manitoba a

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<v Speaker 1>part of the confederation, was sanctioned on May twelfth, eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy and according to the terms of the Manitoba Act,

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<v Speaker 1>the province would be bilingual and one point four million

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<v Speaker 1>acres that's about five hundred and sixty six thousand hectares

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<v Speaker 1>of land was to be reserved for the children of

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<v Speaker 1>the province's mate residence. One of the first things that

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<v Speaker 1>happened after the Manitoba Act was that the Canadian government

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<v Speaker 1>sent military troops and to a red river. This was,

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<v Speaker 1>according to then Lieutenant Governor A. G. Archibald, intended as

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<v Speaker 1>a show of support for him from the federal government

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<v Speaker 1>and was peaceful. But no such move had been in

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<v Speaker 1>any way discussed when the Manitoba Act was being hashed out,

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<v Speaker 1>and so no one had told the provisional government that

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<v Speaker 1>it was going to happen, let alone ask them if

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<v Speaker 1>they would be okay with it. Yes, it's like you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be part of Canada. We are sending in

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<v Speaker 1>the military uh, and it became really clear as well

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<v Speaker 1>that Louis Rielle should be very concerned about this military force.

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<v Speaker 1>There was still a great deal of anger over Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>Scott's execution, and it was discovered that Rielle was very

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<v Speaker 1>much in danger of being lynched by federal troops there

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<v Speaker 1>was a plan to do so, so he fled to

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. Rial didn't stay away for long, though,

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<v Speaker 1>he returned to Red River a year later in May

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<v Speaker 1>seventy one, but he kept a very low profile and

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<v Speaker 1>with good reason. He was still very controversial and on

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<v Speaker 1>Harryo to the east of Manitoba, which was still predominantly Protestant,

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<v Speaker 1>he was labeled as a murderer responsible for Thomas Scott's death,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was a reward offered for his arrest, but Quebec,

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<v Speaker 1>which is on the eastern side of Ontario, viewed him

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<v Speaker 1>as a in a more heroic light because of his

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<v Speaker 1>efforts to make sure French language and the Catholic faith

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<v Speaker 1>were part of Manitoba's culture. This clash of opinions about

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<v Speaker 1>real concerned Canadian Prime Minister Sir John A. McDonald and

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<v Speaker 1>fearing that Riale's presence in Canada would lead to civil unrest.

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<v Speaker 1>He actually offered re Real some money. He paid him

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<v Speaker 1>to go back to the United States and live in exile.

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<v Speaker 1>And Riale took that deal in part because he was

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<v Speaker 1>still taking care of his mother and siblings and he

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<v Speaker 1>needed the money. But even gone from Canada, Rielle was

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<v Speaker 1>a significant figure in Manitoba's culture and politics. After supporters

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<v Speaker 1>urged him to enter federal politics, he won a parliamentary

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<v Speaker 1>seat in eighteen seventy three and then again in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy four. After his re election in eighteen seventy four,

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<v Speaker 1>he traveled to Ottawa on March thirtieth of that year,

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<v Speaker 1>went into the Parliament building to swear his allegiance and

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<v Speaker 1>signed the House of Commons member register, and then he

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<v Speaker 1>had to leave. Emotion had been introduced by an Orange

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<v Speaker 1>Order member from the House of Ontario that expelled him.

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<v Speaker 1>The following year, a conditional amnesty was offered to Real

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<v Speaker 1>by the Canadian government on the stipulation that he must

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<v Speaker 1>accept five years of banishment, and Rial agreed to these terms.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was also tied into some deals that were

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<v Speaker 1>going on with other people that had been involved in

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<v Speaker 1>the Red River rebellion, and this would seem like a

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<v Speaker 1>really positive moment in his life. Uh. But unfortunately, the

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<v Speaker 1>stresses of his leadership role in Manitoba and the ongoing

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<v Speaker 1>blame leveled at him for Scott's death really took a

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<v Speaker 1>toll and he ended up suffering a nervous breakdown. This

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<v Speaker 1>was after a series of episodes that make it apparent

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<v Speaker 1>that Rielle was struggling with mental exhaustion. He had been

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<v Speaker 1>staying with an uncle, John Lee, near Montreal. When his

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<v Speaker 1>public outbursts and and manic episodes became too much for

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<v Speaker 1>the Lee household to manage. He was taken first to

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<v Speaker 1>an asylum in Montreal, where he was admitted under the

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<v Speaker 1>name uh Louis R. David on March sixth of eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy six. There was concern, however, that real would be

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<v Speaker 1>discovered in the hospital, first clearly against the terms of

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<v Speaker 1>his amnesty, but more importantly at a time when he

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<v Speaker 1>was vulnerable and could be victimized by political enemies if

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<v Speaker 1>they realized that he was there. And the staff at

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<v Speaker 1>the hospital who knew who he was, consulted with the

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<v Speaker 1>friends and family who had admitted him, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>decided after two months in the Montreal asylum that he

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<v Speaker 1>should be moved to another facility, the Beauport Asylum outside

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<v Speaker 1>Quebec City, and the period leading up to his hospitalization

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<v Speaker 1>and while he was convalescing, Real, who had always been religious,

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<v Speaker 1>became obsessed with matters of spirituality. He wrote extensive notes

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<v Speaker 1>on religion. He also became convinced that he had been

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<v Speaker 1>chosen by God to serve as a leader or a prophet. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's worded in various different ways when you read

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<v Speaker 1>about him. Uh, some people think that he kind of

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<v Speaker 1>saw himself as a messiah of the Mayti people. He

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<v Speaker 1>definitely didn't think God had chosen him to enact huge change. So,

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<v Speaker 1>after a year and a half of rest and treatment,

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<v Speaker 1>Real was discharged from the Beauport Asylum and his doctor

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<v Speaker 1>advised Real to find a way to live a quiet,

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<v Speaker 1>peaceful life, and initially Real traveled to Keysville, New York,

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<v Speaker 1>in search of work, and then eventually made his way

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<v Speaker 1>to the American Midwest. He joined some of the mate

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<v Speaker 1>who had moved to the United States in the Montana territory,

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<v Speaker 1>and he applied to be an American citizen. Married a

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<v Speaker 1>mate woman named Marguerite Monet de Belle Humur, and settled

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<v Speaker 1>down in Montana, where the couple had three children. He

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<v Speaker 1>started a new career as a school teacher at St.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter's Mission, which sat on a tributary of the Missouri

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<v Speaker 1>River known as the Sun River. So at this point

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like real had found that a life that

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<v Speaker 1>he was prescribed by his doctor. But it wasn't long

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<v Speaker 1>before he became embroiled in another conflict. And we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about that after we first have a quick

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<v Speaker 1>word from one of our fantastic sponsors. So during that

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<v Speaker 1>time that Rielle was in Montana, there were still ongoing

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<v Speaker 1>issues between the Mayti and the Canadian government. For one,

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<v Speaker 1>the Mate were suffering economically because the fur trade in

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<v Speaker 1>buffalo hunting industries that had employed many Mayti people were declining,

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<v Speaker 1>and some, like the Mate that Rielle had connected with

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<v Speaker 1>in Montana, had decided to move on to other places,

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<v Speaker 1>and that also included Saskatchewan. One of the major Mayti

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<v Speaker 1>settlements in Saskatchewan was Batouche. There was no political representation

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<v Speaker 1>for the Mayti in the territorial government, even though they

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<v Speaker 1>made up a majority of the population there. There had

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<v Speaker 1>been efforts in the eighteen seventies to establish Mayti members

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<v Speaker 1>of the Territorial Council, but they had wrapped resented the

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<v Speaker 1>Mate of Manitoba, not those in Saskatchewan. When the Mate

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<v Speaker 1>of Saskatchewan did finally get a representative in government, the

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<v Speaker 1>requests that were made by that position never got any attention.

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<v Speaker 1>For one, there had been a request to survey the

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<v Speaker 1>land along the South Saskatchewan River so that it could

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<v Speaker 1>be best used to suit the needs of the community.

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<v Speaker 1>They had also petitioned to have formal titles to their

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<v Speaker 1>lands established, fearing that without that, if Batusche experienced an

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<v Speaker 1>influx of new settlers, as Manitoba had, they could easily

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<v Speaker 1>lose the land that they had been on for years.

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<v Speaker 1>Even with support from the Roman Catholic Church working on

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<v Speaker 1>their behalf in this matter, the Canadian government gave only

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<v Speaker 1>the vagus of responses with no plans for action on

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<v Speaker 1>any of the matters that had been raised. So by

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<v Speaker 1>the eighteen eighties, the Mate and the European settlers in

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<v Speaker 1>the area all had problems with the federal government, and

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<v Speaker 1>in additions to lack of clear titles, there had been

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<v Speaker 1>a land devaluation because the Canadian Pacific Railway had been

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<v Speaker 1>relocated to the Southern Prairie region, meaning Batouche was not

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<v Speaker 1>on the line anymore. In June of eighty four, the

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<v Speaker 1>plight of the maytee was once again brought to Louis Rielle.

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<v Speaker 1>Because he had managed to negotiate with the Canadian government

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<v Speaker 1>during the problems in Red River, it was believed that

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<v Speaker 1>he could probably help with Saskatchewan's problems too. Gabrielle du Mont,

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<v Speaker 1>president of the Maytee Council of Saint Laurent, which had

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<v Speaker 1>formed in Saskatchewan, visited Rielle in Montana and asked him

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<v Speaker 1>to help his people's cause, and Rielle agreed and he

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<v Speaker 1>traveled to Batouche with his family. Once they arrived there,

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<v Speaker 1>Rielle and William Henry Jackson, who was Reale's secretary as

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<v Speaker 1>well as the secretary of the local farmers union, put

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<v Speaker 1>together a petition that listed all of the grievances of

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<v Speaker 1>the people in Batouche and send it to Ottawa and

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<v Speaker 1>on December sixteenth. This was after more than three dozen

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<v Speaker 1>petitions had been sent already, but the federal government replied

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<v Speaker 1>to the one drafted by Rielle and Jackson, promising that

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<v Speaker 1>it investigated of commission would be appointed in this response

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<v Speaker 1>really did not sit well with the Mayti in Batuche,

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<v Speaker 1>who had heard similar assurances before and who had frankly

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<v Speaker 1>grow tired of waiting. So on March five five they

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<v Speaker 1>held a meeting to discuss an armed effort to force

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<v Speaker 1>the government's hand. Rielle suggested a few days later that

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<v Speaker 1>what they should do is set up of provisional governments

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<v Speaker 1>for Saskatchewan. Rielle's motion was not enacted. Instead, the group

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<v Speaker 1>drafted a revolutionary Bill of Rights. So the document that

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<v Speaker 1>consisted of ten demands, and included in the demands is

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<v Speaker 1>a stipulation that a government office to be established that

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<v Speaker 1>was closer to them so they didn't have to take

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<v Speaker 1>up land disputes with far with far away Ottawa, and

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<v Speaker 1>that they had the right to own their farms. In

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<v Speaker 1>response to the Revolutionary Bill of Rights, the federal government

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<v Speaker 1>sent in a military force consisting of five hundred men.

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<v Speaker 1>The mate, hearing about this before those men had arrived,

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<v Speaker 1>took possession of the Batouche Church and there established a

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<v Speaker 1>provisional government, as Rielle had suggested, and they did that

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<v Speaker 1>on March eighteenth. Louis Rielle was the leader. The new

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<v Speaker 1>government also sees the Hudson's Bay Company's Fort Carlton Post,

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<v Speaker 1>and leading up to the taking of Fort Carlton, Rielle

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<v Speaker 1>and five dozen men had also looted several stores for supplies,

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<v Speaker 1>and Rielle was heard proclaiming that Rome has fallen. He

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<v Speaker 1>also proclaimed that Bishop in nas Bourges was the new pope,

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<v Speaker 1>and these odd proclamations were red flags that there was

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<v Speaker 1>something amiss in Rielle's mental state. But he was so

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<v Speaker 1>charismatic and so invested in the Mayti cause that the

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<v Speaker 1>men with him remained loyal and continued to follow his

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<v Speaker 1>lead for the next several months, which came to be

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<v Speaker 1>known as the Northwest Resistance or the Northwest Rebellion. The

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<v Speaker 1>Mate and their aboriginal allies fought the Canadian government. In

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<v Speaker 1>the early weeks, the Mate were able to score some

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<v Speaker 1>victories at the first battle of the rebellion, the Battle

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<v Speaker 1>of Duck Lake three d Maytie defeat did one Canadian men,

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<v Speaker 1>but as Canada sent in more troops, the Canadian militia

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<v Speaker 1>wound up dominating the fight. On May fifteenth of eight five,

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<v Speaker 1>Louis Rielle surrendered to Canadian authorities. He was charged with

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<v Speaker 1>high treason and was taken to Regina, Saskatchewan, and his

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<v Speaker 1>trial there began on July twentie and in total there

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<v Speaker 1>were eighty four trials held for participants in the rebellion,

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<v Speaker 1>but Real, because of his leadership in the conflict, was

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<v Speaker 1>the only person tried for high treason. His trial was

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<v Speaker 1>almost as much of a conflict between riel and his

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<v Speaker 1>legal counsel as it was between Real and the Canadian government.

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<v Speaker 1>Rielle's lawyers wanted to use an insanity defense and use

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<v Speaker 1>his year and a half in asylums in Quebec is

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<v Speaker 1>evidence of this, and there was some indication, as we

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<v Speaker 1>just mentioned, that he was not entirely in a clear

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<v Speaker 1>state of mind when this rebellion started. Rielle hated this idea.

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<v Speaker 1>He felt that if they claimed insanity, it was an

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<v Speaker 1>insult to everything the mate had fought for, and that

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<v Speaker 1>it discredited both the eighteen seventy Manitoba actions at the

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<v Speaker 1>Red River Colony and the recent uprising in Saskatchewan. His

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<v Speaker 1>plan was to argue self defense. He felt that it

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<v Speaker 1>was clear that the mate needed to make the moves

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<v Speaker 1>that they had for self preservation. But the trick was

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<v Speaker 1>that his lawyers did not actually answer to him. They

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<v Speaker 1>were paid for by wealthy friends of his and by

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<v Speaker 1>people that he was related to, because Rial simply could

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<v Speaker 1>not have afforded that counsel on his own, and the

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<v Speaker 1>lawyers employers wanted Riale their friend to go free or

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<v Speaker 1>at least achieve the minimum possible punishment. As the trial

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<v Speaker 1>neared its end, Real made a speech. Always having been

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<v Speaker 1>skilled and passionate as an orator, he left no one

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<v Speaker 1>in the courtroom and any doubt that he was in

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<v Speaker 1>full command of his faculties, leaving his counsel's work at

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<v Speaker 1>cleaning a claiming his insanity essentially in the trash, and

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<v Speaker 1>in doing so, he sacrificed himself for the mate cause

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<v Speaker 1>because he had convinced the people present that he had

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<v Speaker 1>led the mate in doing what they did with just cause.

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<v Speaker 1>He was also basically admitting to the treason that he

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<v Speaker 1>was charged with. On August one, five, the verdict was

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<v Speaker 1>handed down. He was found guilty, but the jury, composed

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<v Speaker 1>of six men, all of whom were Protestant and who

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<v Speaker 1>were English speakers, recommended mercy in Real's sentencing. Allegedly, the

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<v Speaker 1>foreman cried as he read the verdict. The judge, Hugh Richardson,

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<v Speaker 1>sentenced Louis Reale to death is sometimes framed as though

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<v Speaker 1>the judge disregarded the jury's plea for leniency, but at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, a guilty verdict in a high treason case

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<v Speaker 1>in Canada meant a mandatory death penalty. There were two

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<v Speaker 1>appeals to higher courts, but both of those were dismissed.

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<v Speaker 1>Riale was examined by three different doctors, each of whom

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<v Speaker 1>gave their opinions on the state of his mental health,

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<v Speaker 1>and one actually felt that he could probably be diagnosed

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<v Speaker 1>as insane, but the other two did, and so it

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<v Speaker 1>got written up that the thing he was just fine.

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<v Speaker 1>He could he was in his right mind, so to speak,

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<v Speaker 1>and could accept the punishment that had been sentenced to him,

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<v Speaker 1>and so his execution order stood as he waited for

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<v Speaker 1>his sentence to be carried out. Rielle, who had written

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<v Speaker 1>throughout his whole life, wrote poetry in his cell and

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<v Speaker 1>in one of these poems he wrote, let us have

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<v Speaker 1>peaceful hearts and the infinite will open a little over

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<v Speaker 1>three months after his trial for treason concluded, Louis Rielle

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<v Speaker 1>was executed by hanging on November sixteenth of eighty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Among his last words, he said, I have nothing but

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<v Speaker 1>my heart, and I have given it long ago to

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<v Speaker 1>my country. His body was transported to his birthplace St. Boniface,

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<v Speaker 1>where he was laid to rest in the cathedral cemetery,

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<v Speaker 1>and his death, Riale became a martyr to the Matti

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<v Speaker 1>and galvanized the French Canadian population. His reputation in other

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<v Speaker 1>parts of Canada, however, has been that he was a

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<v Speaker 1>madman or a trader, so in the last half century

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<v Speaker 1>that view has softened pretty considerably. Pat Martin, new Democratic

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<v Speaker 1>Party of Canada member of Parliament, has introduced several bills

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<v Speaker 1>in parliament to reverse Riel's conviction. In interview with Canada's

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<v Speaker 1>Cable Public Affairs channel, he said, quote exonerating Louis Rielle

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<v Speaker 1>would go a long way to healing the relationship between

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<v Speaker 1>the Crown and the mate Nation, and other members of

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<v Speaker 1>parliament have also tried to exonerate real via legislative measures.

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<v Speaker 1>Since two thousand seven, Manitoba has celebrated an annual Louis

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<v Speaker 1>Riale Day every February. The mate Nation honors him with

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<v Speaker 1>a day of Remembrance each November sixteenth, on the anniversary

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<v Speaker 1>of his execution, and the Mate nations relationship with the

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<v Speaker 1>Canadian government continues to evolve. Even in the last several

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<v Speaker 1>months prior to when we were recording this, there have

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<v Speaker 1>been a lot of um legal measures as well as

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<v Speaker 1>kind of government gestures that have been made trying to

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<v Speaker 1>repair some pretty uh poor relations based on really bad

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<v Speaker 1>treatment that that members of the Mate nation have received

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<v Speaker 1>in various different ways, some related to a whole separate

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<v Speaker 1>thing that could be another podcast, related to very poor

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<v Speaker 1>and really terrible treatment of children, as well as being

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<v Speaker 1>denied access to certain hunting lands. There have been a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of different things that have gone on that are

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<v Speaker 1>all kind of uh in in the course of hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>having reparations made. So it's an ongoing discussion that will

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<v Speaker 1>continue to to blossom and develop. Do you also have

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<v Speaker 1>some listener mail for us? I do, and it's I'm

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<v Speaker 1>keeping it short since this episode is a little on

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<v Speaker 1>the long side. Uh. It is a lovely, lovely thank

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<v Speaker 1>you card from two of our listeners, Amy and mary Anna,

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<v Speaker 1>and I won't read it because it's all very kind

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<v Speaker 1>and really crazy. But they didn't think they like podcasts,

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<v Speaker 1>is a world of podcasts out there that are fascinating

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<v Speaker 1>sent this um my Little Pony stickers, which I love, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>And they mentioned that, um, the history Wonder Woman might

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<v Speaker 1>be a good topic. Which might. It's been very prominent

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<v Speaker 1>lately Wonder Woman being discussed a lot, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's getting covered plenty. Yeah. I also the man who

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<v Speaker 1>created her as a character is fascinating. Yeah. But we

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<v Speaker 1>definitely could not have either of those potential things be

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