WEBVTT - Benghazi: Episode 4 - Feckless

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin previously on fiasco.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a high risk venture.

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<v Speaker 3>I was very worried about a security.

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<v Speaker 4>Six months after the uprising, Libya is flooded with weapons

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<v Speaker 4>and places at the tend power vacuums.

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<v Speaker 5>For the people who you're dealing with are not your friends.

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<v Speaker 6>The scene is quiet. A relatively small but already armed

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<v Speaker 6>group shows up at the gates.

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<v Speaker 7>Find out what exactly is going on.

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<v Speaker 1>What they had when they walked out was all the

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<v Speaker 1>information they needed to conduct a precision more to attack

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<v Speaker 1>at night, and so the next ones are right on target.

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<v Speaker 1>The eleventh anniversary of September eleventh was kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>thirty first birthday one year after a major milestone. It

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't land with as much fanfare.

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<v Speaker 8>It's expected to be.

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<v Speaker 9>As quiet day as both candidates commemorate the nine to

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<v Speaker 9>eleven attacks, both President Obama.

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<v Speaker 1>Still, it was a somber enough occasion that both candidates

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<v Speaker 1>in the twenty twelve presidential race, the incumbent Barack Obama

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<v Speaker 1>and his Republican challenger Mitt Romney, agreed to suspend all

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<v Speaker 1>negative campaigning for the day.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah you will hear no negative campaigning, not to take tell.

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<v Speaker 11>One day we won't have that, by the way, this is.

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<v Speaker 7>Around the nine to eleven attacks. You know, we would

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<v Speaker 7>see it not as an opportunity necessarily for politics. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>we were going to keep making our case, but we're

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<v Speaker 7>going to make our case affirmatively.

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<v Speaker 1>This is longhe Chen. He was Mitt Romney's chief policy

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<v Speaker 1>advisor during the twenty twelve campaign.

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<v Speaker 7>Our hope and our intention was to go into it

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<v Speaker 7>focused on what we needed to do looking ahead, rather

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<v Speaker 7>than spending the day on September eleventh talking about some

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<v Speaker 7>of the challenges created by the Obama administration.

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<v Speaker 1>Chen is being polite here. What he means is the

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<v Speaker 1>two campaigns were going to take a day off from

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<v Speaker 1>beating up on each other, and one of the challenges

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<v Speaker 1>the Romney team would not be talking about was Obama's

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<v Speaker 1>policy in the Middle East, his approach to the war

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<v Speaker 1>on terror that had started more than a decade earlier

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<v Speaker 1>under George W. Bush. Romney had been calling Obama soft

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<v Speaker 1>on terrorism since the start of his campaign, but on

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<v Speaker 1>this day he would hold his fire out of respect.

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<v Speaker 1>But then, at around one o'clock in the afternoon DC time,

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<v Speaker 1>some concerning news started filtering in from Egypt. A large

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<v Speaker 1>group of angry protesters had gathered in front of the

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<v Speaker 1>American Embassy in Cairo.

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<v Speaker 12>Protesters are outside the US Embassy. There are there about

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<v Speaker 12>a thousand of them and protests.

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<v Speaker 1>As you heard in our last episode, the crowd was

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<v Speaker 1>protesting a video called The Innocence of Muslims that had

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<v Speaker 1>recently been uploaded to YouTube by a man in California.

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<v Speaker 13>They are protesting a video they say to fames the

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<v Speaker 13>prophet Muhammad.

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<v Speaker 1>Earlier in the day, the US Embassy in Cairo had

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<v Speaker 1>denounce the anti Muslim video in a written statement.

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<v Speaker 13>Saying, quote the Embassy of the United States and Cairo

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<v Speaker 13>condemns the continuing efforts misguided individuals to hurt the religious

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<v Speaker 13>feelings of Muslims.

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<v Speaker 1>As The statement was intended to diffuse the situation to

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<v Speaker 1>distance the US government from the islamophobic video, but it

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<v Speaker 1>did not prevent the protests in front of the Embassy

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<v Speaker 1>in Cairo from turning violent.

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<v Speaker 12>Protesters have stormed the walls of the embassy and pulled

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<v Speaker 12>down US flags. Now they have replaced them with black

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<v Speaker 12>flags with Islamic emblems Now America.

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<v Speaker 1>As footage of the chaos aired on American television. The

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<v Speaker 1>US Embassy's statement from earlier in the day got the

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<v Speaker 1>attention of conservative commentators like lou Dobbs.

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<v Speaker 14>Obamba administration, the State Department actually apologized to the very

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<v Speaker 14>radical Islamis who were demonstrating in hurting the feelings of Muslims.

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<v Speaker 14>It's just disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>Then that evening, at around seven pm Eastern time, the

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<v Speaker 1>news out of Cairo was compounded with reports of a

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<v Speaker 1>second incident nearby, this one in Libya. It appeared that

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<v Speaker 1>the protests in Cairo had spread to Benghazi, Libya's second

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<v Speaker 1>biggest city. A mob had set fire to a diplomatic

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<v Speaker 1>compound and killed an American.

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<v Speaker 15>As you can imagine, there is a degree of conflicting

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<v Speaker 15>information coming out of nighttime Libya amid the chaos of

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<v Speaker 15>an attack on the US consulate.

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<v Speaker 16>The Libyan government has now informed the State Department that

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<v Speaker 16>an American consulate official has been killed in an attack

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<v Speaker 16>on the US consulate in Benghazi, Libya. We're just getting

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<v Speaker 16>this information.

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<v Speaker 1>From his apartment in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Lanhi Chen watched the

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<v Speaker 1>news and fielded requests from media outlets that wanted Romney's

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<v Speaker 1>take on the day's events.

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<v Speaker 7>The media inquiries did start to pick up as the

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<v Speaker 7>early evening war into late evening Eastern Time, and a

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<v Speaker 7>number of conservative media outlets, some online, some radio, some television,

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<v Speaker 7>and they were particularly up. They were very concerned about

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<v Speaker 7>why the Romney campaign hadn't yet used this as something

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<v Speaker 7>with which to attack President Obama.

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<v Speaker 1>Between the breaking news of the attack and Benghazi, the

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<v Speaker 1>protest in Cairo, and the embassy statement about the religious

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<v Speaker 1>feelings of Muslims, the Romney campaign saw an opportunity. Here

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<v Speaker 1>was a perfect example of the Obama administration bending over

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<v Speaker 1>backwards to show respect to the Muslim world at the

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<v Speaker 1>expense of American power and security. It didn't matter that

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<v Speaker 1>the Cairo Embassy's statement had been issued hours before the

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<v Speaker 1>Benghazi attack. It all just fit together.

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<v Speaker 7>The statement that was issued by US station in Cairo,

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<v Speaker 7>I think accounted for essentially the quote hurt feelings that

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<v Speaker 7>resulted because of the video, and then as the Benghazi

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<v Speaker 7>news came in, it sort of added to this notion

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<v Speaker 7>that we were under attack and the response from the

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<v Speaker 7>Obama administration was an apology to the Islamic world.

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<v Speaker 1>Mitt Romney was delivering a speech in Reno, Nevada at

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<v Speaker 1>a conference of the National Guard when the gears of

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<v Speaker 1>his campaign back in Boston started the turn.

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<v Speaker 7>I recall our communications director calling me at some point

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<v Speaker 7>around dinner time basically saying, I think it's not going

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<v Speaker 7>to be possible for us to end this day without

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<v Speaker 7>saying something.

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<v Speaker 1>As night fell, Lanhi Chen initiated a conference call with

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<v Speaker 1>other campaign operatives to discuss whether their candidate should weigh in.

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<v Speaker 7>We had a small closet that you could kind of

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<v Speaker 7>walk into in our apartment, and I remember going into

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<v Speaker 7>that closet and shutting the door and doing the call

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<v Speaker 7>in there amidst all of our clothes and shoes and

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<v Speaker 7>everything else, because I didn't want to disturb my wife,

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<v Speaker 7>didn't want to disturb our son, And a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>the evening transpired with me in that closet trying to

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<v Speaker 7>work all this out.

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<v Speaker 1>The consensus among the Romney staffers was that they would

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<v Speaker 1>draft a statement that night and run it by the candidate,

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<v Speaker 1>but hold the final product in an embargo from the

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<v Speaker 1>press until after midnight, at which point it would be

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<v Speaker 1>September twelfth. That way, they could skirt any backlash about

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<v Speaker 1>negative campaigning on the anniversary of nine to eleven, but

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<v Speaker 1>still be seen as responding quickly to events on the ground.

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<v Speaker 7>We ended up with a statement that was aggressive. We

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<v Speaker 7>knew it was aggressive. We debated the aggressiveness of it.

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<v Speaker 7>I will say that I was not one hundred percent convinced,

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<v Speaker 7>but by the end of that call, I was that

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<v Speaker 7>the more aggressive posture was the right one.

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<v Speaker 1>Once the campaign team had their wording down, Chen called

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<v Speaker 1>Romney and read the statement aloud to him, it's disgraceful.

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<v Speaker 1>It said that the Obama administration's first response to the

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<v Speaker 1>violence in Egypt and Libya was not to condemn attacks

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<v Speaker 1>on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who

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<v Speaker 1>wage them.

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<v Speaker 7>And he sort of paused and said, okay, that that

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<v Speaker 7>sounds about right to me. Has there been any other

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<v Speaker 7>news that we should account for? I said no, I

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<v Speaker 7>think that's it, and he said, okay, sounds good. Let

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<v Speaker 7>a rip. Let's do it, And I thought, okay, case closed.

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<v Speaker 7>We're going to put out the statement. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 7>get to bed, and we're going to see kind of

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<v Speaker 7>where things develop, and I'll wake up the next day

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<v Speaker 7>to fight again.

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<v Speaker 1>A decision was made to lift the nine to eleven

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<v Speaker 1>embargo early after all, and at ten twenty four pm,

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<v Speaker 1>the Romney campaign sent the statement out to the media.

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<v Speaker 7>I think Romney certainly went to bed feeling pretty good

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<v Speaker 7>about the statement. I know I did, and a number

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<v Speaker 7>of us did as well, because we'd spend so much

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<v Speaker 7>time thinking about that evening. You know, I think we

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<v Speaker 7>all really felt like this was the right approach and

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<v Speaker 7>this was an evidence of exactly what we had been

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<v Speaker 7>talking about.

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<v Speaker 10>Mitt Romney responded in a statement saying, it's disgraceful that

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<v Speaker 10>the Obama administration's first response was not to condemn attacks

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<v Speaker 10>on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who

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<v Speaker 10>wage the attacks, published reports playing the unbasays estate.

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<v Speaker 1>Romney's statement was the first volley in what would become

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<v Speaker 1>the long political war over Benghazi, and calling Obama disgraceful

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<v Speaker 1>mere hours after the attack was first reported, and in

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<v Speaker 1>doing so, as it turned out, while the attack was

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<v Speaker 1>still unfolding, Romney was taking a risk, maybe even crossing

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<v Speaker 1>a line.

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<v Speaker 7>If you'd said to me that night, when we were

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<v Speaker 7>getting together to put together that first statement that we

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<v Speaker 7>would still be talking about that night and the events

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<v Speaker 7>that transpired years later, I would have said, Yeah, maybe

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<v Speaker 7>maybe it's a blip in history.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Leon Nafok from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries. This

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<v Speaker 1>is fiasco BEng Ghazi.

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<v Speaker 17>This is a political cover up of something kind what's

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<v Speaker 17>being called Benghazi Gate.

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<v Speaker 18>Intelligence officials acknowledged they originally got it wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>We got the classified cable that was chilling.

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<v Speaker 19>Why should anybody have any credibility in what the administration

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<v Speaker 19>says giving its shifting narrative.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a fucking mess, man, there's a fucking mess.

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<v Speaker 4>It's really hard to figure out what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Episode four Feckless, in which the attack in Benghazi collides

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<v Speaker 1>with an American election. We'll be right.

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<v Speaker 6>Back, And this really is what New Hampshire is all about.

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<v Speaker 6>Isn't it a day like this at a farm like this?

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<v Speaker 6>Doug and Stella, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Mitt Romney announced his candidacy for president on a New

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<v Speaker 1>Hampshire farm in twenty eleven. He was wearing slacks and

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<v Speaker 1>a checkered button down shirt, and he spoke from a

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<v Speaker 1>podium with a picturesque barn behind him. It was the

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<v Speaker 1>perfect setting for Romney to make his case that Barack

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<v Speaker 1>Obama didn't understand everyday Americans.

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<v Speaker 6>And this is what America is about as well, don't

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<v Speaker 6>you think, Oh, Gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>The kickoff was mostly focused on the economy, but Romney

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<v Speaker 1>also took the opportunity to distinguish himself from the president

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<v Speaker 1>on foreign policy.

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<v Speaker 6>At a time of historic change and great opportunity in

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<v Speaker 6>the Arab world, He's hesitant and uncertain. A few mens

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<v Speaker 6>into officey he traveled around the globe to apologize for America.

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<v Speaker 1>Romney was referencing a trip that Obama had taken to

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle East in two thousand and nine at the

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<v Speaker 1>start of his presidency. It included a high profile appearance

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<v Speaker 1>in Egypt, during which the President called for a new

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<v Speaker 1>era of mutual respect between the Muslim world and the West.

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<v Speaker 3>I've come here to Cairo to seek a new beginning

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<v Speaker 3>between the United States and Muslims around the world one based.

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<v Speaker 1>In his speech, Obama recalled growing up in Indonesia surrounded

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<v Speaker 1>by practicing Muslims. He spoke reverently of Islamic contributions to

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<v Speaker 1>Western civilization, like algebra in the treatment of infectious disease.

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<v Speaker 1>He even quoted from the Quran, as the.

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<v Speaker 3>Holy Quran tells us be conscious of God and speak

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<v Speaker 3>always the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>Six years after the start of the Iraq War, Obama's

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<v Speaker 1>speech was an implicit critique of the Bush administration. The

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<v Speaker 1>new president seemed to be saying that the American government

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<v Speaker 1>would no longer hold an antagonistic attitude towards the Middle

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<v Speaker 1>East or tolerate the Islamophobia and jingoism that had been

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<v Speaker 1>awakened under his predeces.

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<v Speaker 3>And I considered part of my responsibility as president of

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<v Speaker 3>the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam

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<v Speaker 3>wherever they appear.

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<v Speaker 1>Back home, Republicans framed Obama's posture as weak and naive.

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<v Speaker 1>They called it an apology for America.

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<v Speaker 17>As we investigate the Obama apology tour and now it

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<v Speaker 17>has systematically dismantled America's credibility around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>But first, the apology narrative took hold on Fox News

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<v Speaker 1>and other conservative media outlets. Obama was undermining the United

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<v Speaker 1>States by acting like Americans had something to be sorry for.

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<v Speaker 14>There you heard the president's apology tour.

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<v Speaker 6>The apology tour, This apology tour, apology tour.

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<v Speaker 13>The president who apologizes to Muslim religious fanatics.

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<v Speaker 20>Can we stop apologizing?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm tired of the apologies. When it came time for

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<v Speaker 1>Romney to put out a campaign book, he even named

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<v Speaker 1>it after this idea that.

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<v Speaker 6>Colmit Romney his book No Apology, The Case for American Greatness.

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<v Speaker 7>The Obama argument was that they were looking for a

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<v Speaker 7>more nuanced view of the Islamic world.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, Romney advisor Lanhi Chen.

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<v Speaker 7>They took pains, for example, to distinguish between Islamic fundamentalism

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<v Speaker 7>or Islamic terrorism. And they were very careful about how

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<v Speaker 7>they approached the region and what they wanted to do,

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<v Speaker 7>in part because I think President Obama felt that there

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<v Speaker 7>could be common cause made with parts of the Islamic world.

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<v Speaker 1>Obama's insistence on making common cause with the Muslim world

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<v Speaker 1>gave Romney an opening during the twenty twelve race, an

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<v Speaker 1>easy way to communicate to voters how he and the

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<v Speaker 1>incumbent were different.

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<v Speaker 6>Think about this internationally, President Obama has adopted an appeasement strategy.

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<v Speaker 6>In Barack Obama's profoundly mistaken view, there's nothing unique about

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<v Speaker 6>the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Obama did have one massive advantage when it came to

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<v Speaker 1>his record on fighting terrorism.

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<v Speaker 3>Tonight, I can report to the American people and to

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<v Speaker 3>the world, the United States has conducted an operation that

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<v Speaker 3>killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of Al Qaida.

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<v Speaker 1>A little over a year before the attack in Benghazi,

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<v Speaker 1>Obama had ordered the raid that killed Osamam bin Laden.

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<v Speaker 1>He had eliminated the leader of al Qaida and dealt

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<v Speaker 1>the organization in existential blow. Naturally, Obama's reelection campaign placed

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<v Speaker 1>this achievement at the center of his foreign policy record.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, we go after al Qaeda and Bin Laden.

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<v Speaker 7>We did.

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<v Speaker 1>Obama's vice president made hay of it as well, Osama

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<v Speaker 1>bin Laden is dead and General Motors is alive. By

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the summer, polling showed that Obama was

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<v Speaker 1>leading Romney on foreign policy, and the race was widely

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<v Speaker 1>seen as his to lose. On September twelfth, the morning

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<v Speaker 1>after the attack in Benghazi, Lanhi Chen started his day

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<v Speaker 1>the same way he always did, by pouring through news

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<v Speaker 1>coverage to see what people were saying about his candidate.

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<v Speaker 7>On an ordinary day. By the time I'd wake up,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, there might be twenty five thirty thirty five

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<v Speaker 7>five articles on that morning. I recall waking up and

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<v Speaker 7>clips were coming fast and furious.

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<v Speaker 1>Chen was curious to see whether the aggressive stance Romney

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<v Speaker 1>had taken the night before was having its desired effect.

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<v Speaker 1>The statement did seem to be getting a lot of attention,

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<v Speaker 1>but not in the way the Romney campaign had hoped.

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<v Speaker 11>Whether you agree or don't agree with the Romney statement,

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<v Speaker 11>it just sounds cynical and gross.

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<v Speaker 13>And I have to say I'm stun they put out

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<v Speaker 13>this release when they did, before we knew all the

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<v Speaker 13>facts before daybreak.

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<v Speaker 14>Just so patently political.

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<v Speaker 20>It really gives you.

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<v Speaker 16>Pause a political handgrad and I think shame on that

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<v Speaker 16>campaign personally.

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<v Speaker 1>Normally, when a campaign is under this kind of heavy criticism,

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<v Speaker 1>the candidate can marshal a battalion of loyal, credentialed partisans

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<v Speaker 1>to get on TV and mounted defense. They're called surrogates,

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<v Speaker 1>and typically the Romney campaign had a deep bench of

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<v Speaker 1>surrogates at their disposal. In this case, though support was

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<v Speaker 1>slow to come. It appeared that even Romney's fellow Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>thought the campaign had gone too far.

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<v Speaker 7>We found a reticence amongst a number of our key

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<v Speaker 7>national security surrogates who would have been forceful voices on

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<v Speaker 7>the outside. They were either not on board, or they

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<v Speaker 7>wanted to speak to me or someone on the campaign

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<v Speaker 7>to give them some sense of our thinking before they

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<v Speaker 7>were willing to get out there and say something.

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<v Speaker 1>That morning, Chen dialed into a conference call with other

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<v Speaker 1>top campaign officials and Romney himself, who was not happy.

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<v Speaker 1>According to one account, he gripped the armrest of his

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<v Speaker 1>chair as he spoke.

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<v Speaker 7>He expressed his sense that perhaps we had been too

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<v Speaker 7>quick with the statement and that there was a brewing

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<v Speaker 7>controversy over it. It was something to the effect of, guys,

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<v Speaker 7>I think we may have made a mistake here, or

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<v Speaker 7>we may have misfired.

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<v Speaker 1>Romney knew it didn't look good. Four Americans, including an ambassador,

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<v Speaker 1>were dead, and here he was pouncing on it to

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<v Speaker 1>try to win an election. It wasn't just Obama partisan

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<v Speaker 1>who were outraged. Establishment Republicans also seemed to agree that

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<v Speaker 1>Romney campaign had improperly politicized a national security crisis.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm a hawk, but you do not want to have

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<v Speaker 8>this become a political election issue right now. We should

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<v Speaker 8>have one president of the United States at a time

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<v Speaker 8>when it comes to foreign policy. I don't think he

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<v Speaker 8>should be a second force of foreign policy now.

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<v Speaker 1>Mitch McConnell and John Bayner, the two highest ranking Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>in Congress, offered statements condemning the Bengazi attack, but neither

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<v Speaker 1>took the opportunity to criticize Obama or come to Romney's defense.

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<v Speaker 1>John McCain also declined to address Romney's statement, saying only

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<v Speaker 1>that Ambassador Chris Stevens was one of his dear friends,

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<v Speaker 1>but not everyone in the conservative movement had the same qualms.

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<v Speaker 20>But what really is going on right there is a

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<v Speaker 20>coordinated effort by the media in coordination with the White House.

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<v Speaker 1>On talk radio, Rush Limbaugh gave a full throated defense

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<v Speaker 1>of Roma and suggested that the outrage of the campaign

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<v Speaker 1>statement was a distraction from Obama's mishandling of the attack.

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<v Speaker 20>We're in the middle of an absolute disaster, a foreign

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<v Speaker 20>policy disaster, and there's a coordinated effort to make it

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<v Speaker 20>about Romney, whether or not it's presidential for Romney.

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<v Speaker 1>One commentator on the website Breitbart dot Com dismissed the

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<v Speaker 1>notion that Romney had done anything wrong and called on

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<v Speaker 1>the Obama campaign to direct their outrage at the murderers

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<v Speaker 1>instead of Romney. And so the Romney campaign faced a choice.

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<v Speaker 1>Were they going to give in to the criticism they

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<v Speaker 1>were hearing from more moderate Republicans or would they stay

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<v Speaker 1>on message and hope the rest of the party fell

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<v Speaker 1>in line.

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<v Speaker 7>How do we address this now going forward? That was

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<v Speaker 7>really more the focus of that call and the tone

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<v Speaker 7>that Romney took that morning, And it was really a

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<v Speaker 7>division between do we walk it back or do we

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<v Speaker 7>double down on it.

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<v Speaker 1>After some debate, the Romney campaign decided not to backtrack.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy who wrote a book called No Apology simply

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<v Speaker 1>could not apologize.

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<v Speaker 7>It would have been seen as a sign of weakness.

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<v Speaker 7>It would have been seen as a rebuke of our

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<v Speaker 7>own line of thinking about not just this event, but

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<v Speaker 7>perhaps more broadly about Obama.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Romney campaign was going to stay the course. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to Benghazi was a tragedy, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>an avoidable one that illustrated the failures of Obama's foreign policy.

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<v Speaker 1>As lnhi Chen told a reporter at the time, the

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<v Speaker 1>attack was a direct result of the Obama administration conducting

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<v Speaker 1>its foreign policy in effeckless manner. That word feckless was

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<v Speaker 1>a callback to a critique that Romney had been leveling

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<v Speaker 1>against Obama for the better part of a year.

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<v Speaker 6>The very real dangers that America faces if we continue

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<v Speaker 6>the effeckless policies of the past three years.

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<v Speaker 12>Knit Romney said, that you are America's most chectless president

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<v Speaker 12>since Carter.

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<v Speaker 15>What would you like to say to mister Romney.

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<v Speaker 20>I tell him to go feck himself. That's an.

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<v Speaker 7>And I think that word feckless describes a timidity. And

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<v Speaker 7>that's the reason why that critique stuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever had happened in Benghazi, it was proof of Obama's fecklessness,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly when viewed alongside the conciliatory statement issued by the

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<v Speaker 1>US Embassy in Cairo. It was true that making this

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<v Speaker 1>point required Romney to conflate the Benghazi attack with the

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<v Speaker 1>administration's response to the Innocence of Muslims video, But the

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<v Speaker 1>point here was to level a general critique of the president,

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<v Speaker 1>not get into specifics.

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<v Speaker 17>Back to our breaking news in a matter of moments,

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<v Speaker 17>live in Jacksonville.

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<v Speaker 10>Governorment Romney is prepared to make a statement.

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<v Speaker 6>And we understand he may take questions now.

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<v Speaker 1>As criticism continued to pour in the day after the attack,

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<v Speaker 1>the Romney campaign pulled together a press conc in which

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<v Speaker 1>Romney would address reporters directly. Hillary Clinton had just done

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing at State Department headquarters, and Obama was

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<v Speaker 1>getting ready to deliver his own statement in the White

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<v Speaker 1>House Rose Garden. The setting for Romney's press conference was

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<v Speaker 1>less official. It took place at a strip mall in Jacksonville, Florida.

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<v Speaker 6>Good morning, Americans woke up this morning with tragic news

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<v Speaker 6>and felt heavy hearts.

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<v Speaker 7>So he was having a press conference in a strip

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<v Speaker 7>mall where there was a reptile store of some kind.

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<v Speaker 7>And I don't know why that sticks with me, but

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<v Speaker 7>it does. It was sort of fitting for the time.

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<v Speaker 7>I guess that we were in a pit of vipers

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<v Speaker 7>and there was a reptile store nearby.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it's a terrible course for America to stand

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<v Speaker 6>in apology for our values, that the first response to

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<v Speaker 6>the United States must be outrage at the breach of

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<v Speaker 6>the sovereignty of our nation.

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<v Speaker 1>Reporters echoed the questions lanhi Chen had seen in the

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<v Speaker 1>press clippings that morning. Why had the Romney campaign weighed

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<v Speaker 1>in so early? It was the anniversary of nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>Shouldn't they at least wait until after the attack was over?

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<v Speaker 3>Watching this basin itself a mixed signal when you've criticized

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<v Speaker 3>the administration.

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<v Speaker 1>At a time that Americans are being you know, shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>politics offer for this?

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<v Speaker 6>We have a campaign for presidency of the United States,

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<v Speaker 6>and are speaking about the different courses we would each

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<v Speaker 6>take with regards to the challenges that the world faces.

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<v Speaker 11>If you had known last night, if the investor had

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<v Speaker 11>gotten obviously, I'm.

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<v Speaker 6>Gathering you did not know, I'm I'm not gonna take

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<v Speaker 6>hypotheticals about what would have been known on and so forth.

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<v Speaker 14>We respotted last night.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a rough press conference and a rough morning

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<v Speaker 1>for the candidate overall, but it was still possible that

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<v Speaker 1>Romney's fellow Republicans would get behind him.

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<v Speaker 7>I really didn't have a great sense of what that

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<v Speaker 7>day and what the next few days we're going to

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<v Speaker 7>look like.

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<v Speaker 1>In the first few days after the attack and been god,

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<v Speaker 1>a wave of anti American uprising started to crop up

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<v Speaker 1>across the Arab world in response to the Innocence of

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<v Speaker 1>Muslims video. The Obama administration was concerned about the risk

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<v Speaker 1>of another attack.

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<v Speaker 21>Pictures here from protests and anti American demonstrations in more

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<v Speaker 21>than a dozen countries.

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<v Speaker 4>The Bengazi attack happened on a Tuesday. The day we

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<v Speaker 4>were all watching was Friday, because of Friday prayers.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Tommy Vitor. He's best known today as a

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<v Speaker 1>co host of Pod Save America. Back in twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>he was the thirty two year old spokesperson for the

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<v Speaker 1>National Security Council, a panel of advisors responsible for helping

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<v Speaker 1>the president make decisions on foreign policy and terrorism.

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<v Speaker 4>Because what happened in a lot of places was everyone

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<v Speaker 4>would go to the mosque, if you had any mom

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<v Speaker 4>who was giving a sermon about the innocence of Muzzlim videos,

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<v Speaker 4>you could see more protests and more violence and more

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<v Speaker 4>attacks on the US facilities.

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<v Speaker 13>American diplomatic missions across the globe are on high alert.

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<v Speaker 12>They are expecting and desion of anti American protests.

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<v Speaker 1>After Friday prayers, protesters demonstrated outside US diplomatic outposts in Morocco, Mauritania, Pakistan, Indonesia, Kuwait,

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<v Speaker 1>even Australia and the Philippines. You know, a dominus fact.

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<v Speaker 1>The chain reaction with being more protests in Arab capitals.

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<v Speaker 22>There were small demonstrations in front of Tunisia, there were

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<v Speaker 22>other ones in the Gaza Strip.

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<v Speaker 21>The unrest came to Sudan.

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<v Speaker 3>Protesters shouting with our soul, our blood, we defend you,

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<v Speaker 3>Prophet Mohammed.

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<v Speaker 4>And so that led to a whole series of meetings

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<v Speaker 4>and conversations about how to harden various facilities all around

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<v Speaker 4>the globe and to really review like whether US personnel

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<v Speaker 4>were safe. I mean, that was the real focus.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the demonstrations were peaceful, others turned violent. In Yemen,

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<v Speaker 1>protesters breached the gates of the US embassy. In Tunisia,

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<v Speaker 1>they set vehicles on fire. In Sudan, they climbed over

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<v Speaker 1>the walls of the US embassy and raised a black

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<v Speaker 1>Islamic flag.

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<v Speaker 22>Wherever there is weak security for seeing some radicals take

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<v Speaker 22>advantage of that and using this opportunity to attack the embassidy.

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<v Speaker 4>In truth, like, we didn't really have time to immediately

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<v Speaker 4>mourn and focus on the Benghazi attacks and do an

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<v Speaker 4>after action report because we were so worried about whether

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<v Speaker 4>there could be another Benghazi someplace else.

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<v Speaker 7>We were worried.

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<v Speaker 4>About personnel all over the world, diplomatic personnel, intelligence personnel,

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<v Speaker 4>military personnel. It was a total rethinking of our security

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<v Speaker 4>situation all over the globe.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, the US intelligence community was trying to get to

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom of who was responsible for the attack in

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<v Speaker 1>Benghazi and how they had managed to kill four people.

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<v Speaker 4>Even with the entire intelligence capability of the United States government,

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<v Speaker 4>you are still scrambling to figure out what happened in

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<v Speaker 4>situations like this.

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<v Speaker 1>From the start, a central question was how the Benghazi

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<v Speaker 1>attack began. Did it grow spontaneously out of peaceful protests

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<v Speaker 1>inspired by the video or was it a terrorist attack

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<v Speaker 1>that had been planned separately. At stake was whether the

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<v Speaker 1>tragedy had been preventable, whether someone in the US government

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<v Speaker 1>had screwed up by not thwarting the attack or better

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<v Speaker 1>preparing the compound to withstand it.

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<v Speaker 4>That's just the nature of diplomacy. It's nature of like

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<v Speaker 4>the fog of war like there was no way to

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<v Speaker 4>quickly vet and get people on the ground to sort

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<v Speaker 4>through the aftermath. Even with enormous intelligence capability, it still

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<v Speaker 4>took hours and hours and hours to figure out what

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<v Speaker 4>exactly happened.

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<v Speaker 1>As investigators sought witnesses and made contact with Libyan authorities,

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<v Speaker 1>President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton delivered public speeches

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<v Speaker 1>and met with the victims' families. Obama also visited the

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<v Speaker 1>State Department, where grief over losing two of their own

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<v Speaker 1>was still just setting in A sitting American ambassador had

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<v Speaker 1>not been killed in the line of duty since nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy nine.

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<v Speaker 3>To you, their families and colleagues, to all Americans know this,

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<v Speaker 3>their sacrifice will never be forgotten.

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<v Speaker 1>On Friday afternoon, Obama and Clinton presided over a solemn

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<v Speaker 1>ceremony as the victims' bodies were returned from Libya. Family

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<v Speaker 1>members stood by for a military salute as servicemen loaded

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<v Speaker 1>flag draped caskets into hearses. The event was carried live

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<v Speaker 1>on National TV.

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<v Speaker 2>We bring home for Americans who gave their lives for

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<v Speaker 2>our country and our values to the families.

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<v Speaker 1>The ceremony took place in the midst of a fevered

0:27:49.751 --> 0:27:52.031
<v Speaker 1>rush in the media to get clarity on whether the

0:27:52.071 --> 0:27:54.991
<v Speaker 1>attack and Benghazi had been pre planned or linked to

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<v Speaker 1>a protest. Reporters initially had a hard time getting a

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<v Speaker 1>definitive picture. The Washington Post cited a Libyan journalist who

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<v Speaker 1>described the attackers as racing towards a protest. The New

0:28:06.830 --> 0:28:09.590
<v Speaker 1>York Times seemed to back that up, citing a Libyan

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<v Speaker 1>official who said the first part of the attack had

0:28:11.751 --> 0:28:14.870
<v Speaker 1>evolved from protests, while the second on the CIA base

0:28:14.911 --> 0:28:19.311
<v Speaker 1>had been coordinated. However, the same article also cited two

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<v Speaker 1>Libyan guards who had been wounded in the attack, who

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<v Speaker 1>said there had been no indication of a protest outside

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<v Speaker 1>the compound before the shooting started. Separately, the President of

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<v Speaker 1>Libya described the attack as highly organized.

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<v Speaker 11>The President of Libya says that this was something that

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<v Speaker 11>had been in.

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<v Speaker 20>The works for two months.

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<v Speaker 11>This attack, he blames it on al Qaeda.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a lot of scrambling in the initial days.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Pamela K. Brown in twenty twelve. She was

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<v Speaker 1>an executive producer at Fox News. Before that, she had

0:28:50.071 --> 0:28:53.871
<v Speaker 1>spent time building an international roodex at NBC, ABC and

0:28:53.951 --> 0:28:57.231
<v Speaker 1>CBS News while reporting on conflicts like the First Gulf

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<v Speaker 1>War and the breakup of Yugoslavia.

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<v Speaker 2>I had good contexts I made in Saudi Arabia. I

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<v Speaker 2>had friends in Egypt. I had friends in a UAE,

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<v Speaker 2>and I say friends people that would take my phone

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<v Speaker 2>call and do their very best to answer my question

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<v Speaker 2>or help me in my quest.

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<v Speaker 1>The evening after the attack in Benghazi, anchors at Fox

0:29:17.951 --> 0:29:20.791
<v Speaker 1>News were running with a definitive claim that the attack

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<v Speaker 1>was pre planned and likely linked to al Qaida. It

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<v Speaker 1>had nothing to do with the innocence of Muslim's video.

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<v Speaker 17>Fox News has obtained information that those killings were apparently planned,

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<v Speaker 17>not a spontaneous demonstration.

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<v Speaker 2>One thread that I developed from a source on the

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<v Speaker 2>ground that there was no protest and the attacks were

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<v Speaker 2>not spontaneous. The attack was planned and had nothing to

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<v Speaker 2>do with the movie. I was confident, highly confident. That's

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<v Speaker 2>something you just have to lock and load on when

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<v Speaker 2>you really have it.

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<v Speaker 15>There is growing consensus tonight among the intelligence community that

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<v Speaker 15>the attack in Libya had little or nothing to do

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<v Speaker 15>with Muslim protests against an anti Islamic film.

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<v Speaker 1>In addition to Brown's source on the ground, top Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>on the House Intelligence Committee were arguing that the weapons

0:30:09.831 --> 0:30:13.951
<v Speaker 1>used in the attack were proof of premeditation. Specifically, they

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<v Speaker 1>noted that the CIA facility in Benghazi had been hit

0:30:16.831 --> 0:30:20.591
<v Speaker 1>with mortars, meaning the attackers would have needed exact coordinates

0:30:20.591 --> 0:30:22.991
<v Speaker 1>for the building in order to target it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was such an area that they knew the way

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<v Speaker 2>the mortar rounds were coming in people we spoke to

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<v Speaker 2>it showed that there had been pre planning.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI later theorized that the assailants may have gotten

0:30:36.711 --> 0:30:39.351
<v Speaker 1>the coordinates needed to launch the mortars when they raided

0:30:39.351 --> 0:30:42.950
<v Speaker 1>the Benghazi compound. In other words, the attack on the

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<v Speaker 1>CIA base may have been planned, but planned in one night.

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<v Speaker 1>In the days after the attack, there was a lot

0:30:50.111 --> 0:30:53.271
<v Speaker 1>riding on this point for Republicans. If the attack in

0:30:53.311 --> 0:30:56.990
<v Speaker 1>Benghazi was pre planned, it meant that the Obama administration

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<v Speaker 1>was exactly as weak on terror as mitt Romney had

0:30:59.911 --> 0:31:02.950
<v Speaker 1>been saying. The potential link to al Qaeda meant that

0:31:02.951 --> 0:31:07.151
<v Speaker 1>Obama hadn't conquered the terrorist organization after all, and that

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<v Speaker 1>while he was out running his victory lab over bin

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<v Speaker 1>Laden's death, the group had managed to murder an American ambassador.

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<v Speaker 1>On Thursday, September thirteenth, the intelligence community provided a classified

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<v Speaker 1>briefing to the President and to Congress. Their assessment reiterated

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<v Speaker 1>that the attack had begun spontaneously following the protests in Cairo,

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<v Speaker 1>but that extremists with ties to al Qaida were involved.

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<v Speaker 23>All right, good afternoon, ladies, and gentlemen, thanks for being here.

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<v Speaker 1>At a press conference the next day, ABC's Jake Tapper

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<v Speaker 1>pushed White House Press Secretary Jay Carney to square the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of a spontaneous protest with emerging evidence about the

0:31:47.751 --> 0:31:48.991
<v Speaker 1>weapons used in the attack.

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<v Speaker 3>The group around, but the Benghazi post was well armed.

0:31:53.191 --> 0:31:54.671
<v Speaker 3>It was a well coordinated attack.

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<v Speaker 15>Do you think it was a spontaneous protest against a movie?

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<v Speaker 23>Look, this is obviously under investigation. We do not at

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<v Speaker 23>this moment have information to suggest or to tell you

0:32:05.471 --> 0:32:09.911
<v Speaker 23>that would indicate that any of this unrest was prel

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<v Speaker 23>What is true about?

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<v Speaker 1>On the Sunday news shows that weekend, un Ambassador Susan

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<v Speaker 1>Rice further amplified the government's official assessment by appearing on

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<v Speaker 1>every major network CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, and Fox News.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a feat known as the full Ginsburg, named

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<v Speaker 1>after Monica Lewinski's lawyer, who's the first to ever do

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<v Speaker 1>it in nineteen ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 3>Madam Ambassador, thank you for joining us.

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<v Speaker 16>Good to be with you.

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<v Speaker 14>Candy, Doctor Rice, thank you so much for coming here

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<v Speaker 14>today and answering our question.

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<v Speaker 1>Good to be with you in each interview. When the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengazi attack came up, Rice crafted her answers based on

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<v Speaker 1>the intelligence briefing submitted to the president three days earlier.

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<v Speaker 24>What happened in Benghazi was in fact, initially a spontaneous

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<v Speaker 24>reaction to what had just transpired hours before in Cairo,

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<v Speaker 24>almost a copycat of the demonstrat.

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<v Speaker 1>Rice made it clear that the investigation was still underway

0:33:00.631 --> 0:33:03.151
<v Speaker 1>and cautioned that there was a lot the administration didn't know.

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<v Speaker 24>We'll wait to see exactly what the investigation finally confirms,

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<v Speaker 24>but that's the best information we have at present.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't take long for more solid intelligence to come in.

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<v Speaker 1>Within a week of Susan Rice's tour of the Sunday Shows,

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<v Speaker 1>it was clear the Obama White House had been wrong

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<v Speaker 1>to suggest the Benghazi attack grew out of a protest

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<v Speaker 1>against the Innocence of Muslim's video. There had been no

0:33:25.751 --> 0:33:30.071
<v Speaker 1>protest against the video in Benghazi. Security camera footage obtained

0:33:30.071 --> 0:33:33.311
<v Speaker 1>by the CIA showed that the diplomatic compound was quiet

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<v Speaker 1>that night, and to an organized group of armed assailants

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<v Speaker 1>broke in.

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<v Speaker 18>Intelligence officials acknowledged they originally got it wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>On September nineteenth, a counter terrorism official from the Obama

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<v Speaker 1>administration testified that the assault was in fact a coordinated

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<v Speaker 1>terrorist attack.

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<v Speaker 11>The intelligence community now believes it was a deliberate and

0:33:52.431 --> 0:33:55.631
<v Speaker 11>organized attack. Some of those involved, it says, were linked

0:33:55.631 --> 0:33:59.311
<v Speaker 11>to groups affiliated with or sympathetic to Al Qaida, to.

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<v Speaker 1>The Romney campaign and their fellow Republicans. It looked like

0:34:02.471 --> 0:34:06.071
<v Speaker 1>the administration was dramatically changing its story on Benghazi.

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<v Speaker 21>Last week, the administration insisted the attack was a spontaneous

0:34:09.631 --> 0:34:12.871
<v Speaker 21>reaction to a YouTube video, but today Secretary Clinton has

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<v Speaker 21>said it was indeed terrorism.

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<v Speaker 11>Mitt Romney said today it raises questions about how those

0:34:18.151 --> 0:34:19.991
<v Speaker 11>first statements could be so wrong.

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<v Speaker 6>There was a great deal of confusion about that from

0:34:23.230 --> 0:34:25.031
<v Speaker 6>the very beginning on the part of the administration.

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<v Speaker 19>Why should anybody have any credibility in what the administration

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<v Speaker 19>says giving its shifting narrative.

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<v Speaker 1>Tommy Vitor, Obama's National Security Council spokesman, acknowledges that the

0:34:35.551 --> 0:34:40.151
<v Speaker 1>administration's narrative did shift, but all these years later, the

0:34:40.190 --> 0:34:43.991
<v Speaker 1>notion that there was anything nefarious about it still exasperates him.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a fucking mess, man, It was a fucking mess.

0:34:46.270 --> 0:34:48.951
<v Speaker 4>It's really hard to figure out what's going on. You know,

0:34:49.190 --> 0:34:52.910
<v Speaker 4>when something happens thousands of miles away in the dead

0:34:52.951 --> 0:34:57.190
<v Speaker 4>of night, in complicated circumstances, you have to allow for

0:34:57.230 --> 0:35:00.751
<v Speaker 4>shifting explanations. It takes time to figure out what happened.

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<v Speaker 4>I promise you when I would walk into the situation

0:35:03.911 --> 0:35:07.031
<v Speaker 4>room meetings, there was not some conversation about how do

0:35:07.071 --> 0:35:10.951
<v Speaker 4>we spin this. The conversation was, Hey, intelligence guys, what

0:35:10.991 --> 0:35:11.390
<v Speaker 4>do we know?

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<v Speaker 1>The messy reality is that there was disagreement among intelligence

0:35:18.710 --> 0:35:22.631
<v Speaker 1>officials as information about the Bengazi attack rolled in. At

0:35:22.631 --> 0:35:26.111
<v Speaker 1>one point, the executive coordinator of the Presidential Daily brief

0:35:26.391 --> 0:35:28.790
<v Speaker 1>had written that the presence of armed assailants on the

0:35:28.831 --> 0:35:32.190
<v Speaker 1>ground suggested that this was an intentional assault and not

0:35:32.351 --> 0:35:35.591
<v Speaker 1>an escalation of a peaceful protest, but that statement was

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<v Speaker 1>removed from the initial briefing because other analysts didn't think

0:35:38.750 --> 0:35:40.230
<v Speaker 1>there was enough evidence to support it.

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<v Speaker 4>There was clearly a difference of opinion among various parts

0:35:45.431 --> 0:35:48.671
<v Speaker 4>of the government about what happened, and so those dissenting

0:35:48.791 --> 0:35:52.951
<v Speaker 4>views would start to leak out, which would cause reporting

0:35:52.991 --> 0:35:55.271
<v Speaker 4>that was just off or confused or wrong.

0:35:56.230 --> 0:35:59.551
<v Speaker 1>But Pamela Brown, the producer at Fox News, saw something

0:35:59.591 --> 0:36:02.551
<v Speaker 1>suspicious in the Obama White House's insistence on bringing up

0:36:02.591 --> 0:36:06.551
<v Speaker 1>the innocence of Muslims video. The fact that the administration

0:36:06.671 --> 0:36:10.431
<v Speaker 1>had been so attached to the spontaneous uprising theory to

0:36:10.431 --> 0:36:12.471
<v Speaker 1>Brown that they were trying to get away with something.

0:36:13.511 --> 0:36:17.310
<v Speaker 2>It was a very big deal for them to pin

0:36:17.591 --> 0:36:21.151
<v Speaker 2>all of this on the video. When somebody goes out

0:36:21.471 --> 0:36:24.871
<v Speaker 2>and sticks to a story like that and it's just

0:36:25.111 --> 0:36:25.751
<v Speaker 2>not true.

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<v Speaker 1>This sense that Obama was hiding the truth pervaded Fox News.

0:36:31.351 --> 0:36:33.631
<v Speaker 1>Soon the network was calling it a cover up.

0:36:34.431 --> 0:36:37.910
<v Speaker 17>More on the Benghazi cover off, what's being called Benghazi Gate,

0:36:38.071 --> 0:36:40.310
<v Speaker 17>probably more serious than Watergate.

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<v Speaker 1>To what was your theory at the time of like

0:36:44.311 --> 0:36:48.990
<v Speaker 1>why the Obama people wanted to blame it on the video?

0:36:49.431 --> 0:36:51.270
<v Speaker 1>What was what was in it for them to blame

0:36:51.311 --> 0:36:51.911
<v Speaker 1>it on the video?

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea. This is a larger question for

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<v Speaker 2>someone in mess in foreign policy. So the question is

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<v Speaker 2>why were we there, Why was this so important to

0:37:05.951 --> 0:37:11.471
<v Speaker 2>have Ambassador Stevens in this position and temporary mission compound?

0:37:12.391 --> 0:37:15.391
<v Speaker 2>And what was the hope That I cannot answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Fox's primetime hosts were less circumspect. In the weeks after

0:37:22.230 --> 0:37:25.791
<v Speaker 1>the attack, Sean Hannity was mapping out a vast conspiracy

0:37:25.831 --> 0:37:29.031
<v Speaker 1>designed to cover up what really happened to Ambassador Stevens.

0:37:29.391 --> 0:37:32.311
<v Speaker 17>It's clear to me that either they are totally stupid,

0:37:32.991 --> 0:37:35.071
<v Speaker 17>or they have the worst intelligence, or that this is

0:37:35.111 --> 0:37:37.071
<v Speaker 17>a political cover up of some kind because they didn't

0:37:37.111 --> 0:37:39.991
<v Speaker 17>want to admit. What is hobbyist to everybody that on

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<v Speaker 17>the anniversary of nine to eleven they should have had

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<v Speaker 17>some protection for our embassies, and they didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be right back. As Pamela Brown reported the Benghazi story,

0:37:59.270 --> 0:38:02.151
<v Speaker 1>she filed several freedom of information requests with the State

0:38:02.190 --> 0:38:04.551
<v Speaker 1>Department to see if there was anything that didn't match

0:38:04.631 --> 0:38:08.230
<v Speaker 1>up to the official narrative. For instance, the administration had

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<v Speaker 1>said that there was no indication to the attack in

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<v Speaker 1>Benghazi that the diplomatic compound was under imminent threat, but

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<v Speaker 1>Brown's Foyer requests turned up State Department cables indicating that

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<v Speaker 1>some alarms had been sounded in the weeks leading up

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<v Speaker 1>to the attack.

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<v Speaker 2>We got the classified cable which said that the compound

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<v Speaker 2>could not withstand a coordinating attack. That was chilling.

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<v Speaker 1>That cable was sent in August of twenty twelve, and

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<v Speaker 1>it indicated that the State Department knew that there were

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<v Speaker 1>Al Qaeda cells in Benghazi. The message was approved by

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<v Speaker 1>Ambassador Chris Stevens.

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<v Speaker 9>I really believe, having read it, that it is this

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<v Speaker 9>smoking gun warning.

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<v Speaker 3>Here.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got this now. It's worth saying that the cable

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<v Speaker 1>Brown received in response to her Foyer request did not

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<v Speaker 1>say an attack in Benghazi was imminent, but it did

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<v Speaker 1>suggest that if one did occur, the compound would be

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<v Speaker 1>vulnerable in any event. Brown and her colleagues at Fox

0:39:02.471 --> 0:39:06.511
<v Speaker 1>News thought the cable spoke pretty loudly. Catherine Herridge, the

0:39:06.551 --> 0:39:10.631
<v Speaker 1>reporter Brown worked with most closely on Benghazi coverage, characterized

0:39:10.671 --> 0:39:13.471
<v Speaker 1>it on the air as proof if the Obama administration

0:39:13.631 --> 0:39:16.750
<v Speaker 1>should have done more and was now knowingly trying to

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<v Speaker 1>deflect blame.

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<v Speaker 9>I can't think of anything that would be more specific

0:39:21.151 --> 0:39:24.151
<v Speaker 9>than if these groups had emailed the Stage Department and

0:39:24.230 --> 0:39:27.870
<v Speaker 9>said here's the time, here's the place, and here's the

0:39:27.911 --> 0:39:29.151
<v Speaker 9>method of the attack that.

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<v Speaker 1>Fall, Fox News continued to put out stories about the

0:39:32.031 --> 0:39:35.951
<v Speaker 1>attack that sounded extremely damning. For instance, they reported that

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<v Speaker 1>the administration knew within twenty four hours of the attack

0:39:38.671 --> 0:39:41.950
<v Speaker 1>that groups associated with al Qaida were involved. They also

0:39:42.151 --> 0:39:44.631
<v Speaker 1>ran segments suggesting that the president could have stopped the

0:39:44.671 --> 0:39:46.031
<v Speaker 1>attack but chose not to.

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<v Speaker 18>Lawmakers demanded to know how lack security may have been

0:39:49.991 --> 0:39:52.071
<v Speaker 18>and whether warning signs were simply ignored.

0:39:52.431 --> 0:39:56.391
<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, Congress questioned State Department personnel who confirmed that a

0:39:56.431 --> 0:39:59.631
<v Speaker 1>request for more security in Benghazi had been denied.

0:39:59.551 --> 0:40:02.951
<v Speaker 2>So there wasn't sufficient resources provided.

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<v Speaker 7>That was one of the main reasons I continued to

0:40:05.151 --> 0:40:06.311
<v Speaker 7>ask for those resources.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, those statements prompted Republican lawmakers to hit Fox's airway

0:40:10.391 --> 0:40:12.151
<v Speaker 1>and call for more investigations.

0:40:12.471 --> 0:40:15.190
<v Speaker 2>This is why we need an independent council, and we

0:40:15.270 --> 0:40:18.511
<v Speaker 2>need the investigations to began immediately.

0:40:19.230 --> 0:40:21.951
<v Speaker 1>These questions about what the Obama White House knew and

0:40:21.991 --> 0:40:25.951
<v Speaker 1>when they knew it dovetailed perfectly with the administration's evolving

0:40:25.991 --> 0:40:29.350
<v Speaker 1>account of how the attack had started, and when the

0:40:29.351 --> 0:40:32.551
<v Speaker 1>intelligence community's assessment was revised to reflect the fact that

0:40:32.551 --> 0:40:36.111
<v Speaker 1>there had been no protest in Benghazi, it looked like

0:40:36.230 --> 0:40:39.431
<v Speaker 1>even more evidence that the administration was hiding behind the

0:40:39.431 --> 0:40:40.710
<v Speaker 1>Innocence of Muslims video.

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<v Speaker 6>There was Jay Carney, There were several Obama officials going

0:40:44.351 --> 0:40:46.991
<v Speaker 6>out saying it was a response to the movie, is

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<v Speaker 6>this is this a cover up?

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<v Speaker 20>Well, they lie, I mean, there's no question about it.

0:40:51.151 --> 0:40:53.071
<v Speaker 22>And by the way, if the Republicans did that, it

0:40:53.270 --> 0:40:54.151
<v Speaker 22>be hell to pay.

0:40:54.591 --> 0:40:55.310
<v Speaker 12>Everybody would.

0:40:59.230 --> 0:41:02.111
<v Speaker 1>About a month before the twenty twelve election, the Romney

0:41:02.111 --> 0:41:04.671
<v Speaker 1>campaigns saw a change of fortune in their pull numbers.

0:41:05.671 --> 0:41:08.351
<v Speaker 1>This was in part due to Romney's stellar performance in

0:41:08.391 --> 0:41:09.751
<v Speaker 1>the first presidential debate.

0:41:10.071 --> 0:41:13.111
<v Speaker 6>Under the president's policies, middle income Americans had been buried.

0:41:13.750 --> 0:41:14.911
<v Speaker 6>They're just been crushed.

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<v Speaker 3>Now that may not seem like a big deal when

0:41:20.471 --> 0:41:24.391
<v Speaker 3>it just is numbers on a sheet of paper, but

0:41:24.511 --> 0:41:25.471
<v Speaker 3>if we're talking about.

0:41:25.270 --> 0:41:27.751
<v Speaker 1>It's hard to say exactly what role the ben Ghazi

0:41:27.831 --> 0:41:31.750
<v Speaker 1>controversy played in Romney's surge, but ongoing questions over the

0:41:31.750 --> 0:41:35.631
<v Speaker 1>administration's handling of the attack had seemingly validated the Romney

0:41:35.631 --> 0:41:39.631
<v Speaker 1>campaigns aggressive posture from the night of It wasn't just

0:41:39.710 --> 0:41:43.430
<v Speaker 1>Breitbart in Fox News either. Even the mainstream media didn't

0:41:43.431 --> 0:41:45.190
<v Speaker 1>seem to completely trust Obama.

0:41:45.631 --> 0:41:49.151
<v Speaker 18>Patients is starting to wear sin with shifting explanations from

0:41:49.151 --> 0:41:49.991
<v Speaker 18>the administration.

0:41:50.111 --> 0:41:51.951
<v Speaker 13>The president also facing a lot of questions about the

0:41:51.951 --> 0:41:53.951
<v Speaker 13>death of American Ambassador Stevens.

0:41:53.551 --> 0:41:56.111
<v Speaker 11>But getting answers to exactly what did happen has not

0:41:56.151 --> 0:41:56.711
<v Speaker 11>been easy.

0:41:57.111 --> 0:41:59.111
<v Speaker 1>Lonhi Chen saw victory in sight.

0:41:59.551 --> 0:42:01.511
<v Speaker 7>There definitely was a point where it turned. We saw

0:42:01.511 --> 0:42:04.351
<v Speaker 7>an appreciable shift in public opinion in our own internal

0:42:04.391 --> 0:42:07.391
<v Speaker 7>pulling in all of the key states, and Romney was

0:42:07.511 --> 0:42:09.391
<v Speaker 7>very competitive, if not ahead, in all the states he

0:42:09.431 --> 0:42:12.310
<v Speaker 7>needed to to be ahead in at least according to

0:42:12.311 --> 0:42:14.191
<v Speaker 7>our polling, and by the way, a number of public

0:42:14.190 --> 0:42:18.710
<v Speaker 7>polls as well, that he was really closing in on

0:42:18.791 --> 0:42:21.830
<v Speaker 7>the possibility of winning the presidency.

0:42:22.311 --> 0:42:25.911
<v Speaker 1>A new poll shows Governor Romney surging and closing the gap,

0:42:26.031 --> 0:42:27.751
<v Speaker 1>especially in some key swing states.

0:42:27.911 --> 0:42:29.031
<v Speaker 15>I think the race is very close.

0:42:29.071 --> 0:42:31.230
<v Speaker 4>I think the wind is that Governor Romney's back, and

0:42:31.270 --> 0:42:32.231
<v Speaker 4>they're clearly a momentum.

0:42:32.270 --> 0:42:34.790
<v Speaker 3>You can see it on the trail, you can see

0:42:34.831 --> 0:42:35.951
<v Speaker 3>it in the data.

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<v Speaker 24>But I believe in minimum is clearly.

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<v Speaker 1>The second presidential debate was set for October sixteenth. The

0:42:41.551 --> 0:42:44.511
<v Speaker 1>first one had been focused on domestic policy, so ben

0:42:44.551 --> 0:42:48.071
<v Speaker 1>Ghazi had not come up. This time it was bound to.

0:42:48.631 --> 0:42:50.870
<v Speaker 7>We were in the driver's seat, so in some ways

0:42:50.871 --> 0:42:53.351
<v Speaker 7>the second debate took on additional importance in our minds

0:42:53.391 --> 0:42:55.710
<v Speaker 7>because we felt that it was important to continue momentum,

0:42:56.071 --> 0:42:58.871
<v Speaker 7>but also to open up some lines of attack, potentially

0:42:58.871 --> 0:43:01.551
<v Speaker 7>on Obama areas where we felt he could be weak.

0:43:01.911 --> 0:43:04.710
<v Speaker 1>But Romney was squeamish about continuing to beat the ben

0:43:04.710 --> 0:43:07.790
<v Speaker 1>Ghazi drum. It was an issue that the Republican base

0:43:07.911 --> 0:43:10.471
<v Speaker 1>cared about, but one that swing voters who could decide

0:43:10.471 --> 0:43:12.151
<v Speaker 1>the election didn't want to dwell on.

0:43:12.750 --> 0:43:15.430
<v Speaker 7>We knew it was a topic that had to be

0:43:15.791 --> 0:43:19.310
<v Speaker 7>delicately navigated and traversed because of the initial reaction and

0:43:19.351 --> 0:43:21.191
<v Speaker 7>because of how hot the event had become.

0:43:21.551 --> 0:43:24.631
<v Speaker 1>As Romney took the stage, he looked cautious but confident.

0:43:25.511 --> 0:43:29.031
<v Speaker 16>This is Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York. This site

0:43:29.230 --> 0:43:31.470
<v Speaker 16>of tonight's debate, This second.

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<v Speaker 1>Go the Benghazi attack came up about halfway through the debate.

0:43:34.991 --> 0:43:37.471
<v Speaker 1>The President addressed the question with a pointed jab at

0:43:37.471 --> 0:43:40.591
<v Speaker 1>his opponent, emphasizing that the attack was still going on

0:43:40.710 --> 0:43:44.111
<v Speaker 1>when the Romney campaign put out its statement, while.

0:43:43.951 --> 0:43:48.191
<v Speaker 3>We were still dealing with our diplomats being threatened. Governor

0:43:48.270 --> 0:43:51.511
<v Speaker 3>Romney put out a press release trying to make political points,

0:43:51.871 --> 0:43:54.831
<v Speaker 3>and that's not how a commander in chief operates.

0:43:55.270 --> 0:43:58.190
<v Speaker 1>Romney responded with an argument that had been made repeatedly

0:43:58.270 --> 0:44:01.830
<v Speaker 1>on Fox News that it had taken the administration two

0:44:01.911 --> 0:44:04.471
<v Speaker 1>whole weeks to call the storming of the compound in

0:44:04.511 --> 0:44:06.191
<v Speaker 1>Benghazi a terrorist attack.

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<v Speaker 6>There were many days that passed before we knew whether

0:44:09.631 --> 0:44:12.270
<v Speaker 6>this was a spontaneous demonstration or actually whether it was

0:44:12.311 --> 0:44:15.310
<v Speaker 6>a terrorist attack. And there was no demonstration involved. It

0:44:15.391 --> 0:44:17.910
<v Speaker 6>was a terrorist attack, and it took a long time

0:44:17.951 --> 0:44:19.631
<v Speaker 6>for that to be told to the American people.

0:44:19.951 --> 0:44:23.270
<v Speaker 1>Romney's implication was that the administration had tried to hide

0:44:23.270 --> 0:44:26.350
<v Speaker 1>the fact that, on Obama's watch, America had suffered a

0:44:26.391 --> 0:44:29.991
<v Speaker 1>deadly blow in the war on terror. Obama was ready

0:44:30.031 --> 0:44:30.671
<v Speaker 1>with a response.

0:44:31.351 --> 0:44:35.270
<v Speaker 3>The day after the attack, Governor I stood in the

0:44:35.351 --> 0:44:38.750
<v Speaker 3>Rose Garden and I told the American people in the

0:44:38.750 --> 0:44:41.591
<v Speaker 3>world that we are going to find out exactly what happened,

0:44:42.710 --> 0:44:45.631
<v Speaker 3>that this was an act of terror. And I also

0:44:45.710 --> 0:44:48.471
<v Speaker 3>said that we're going to hunt down bows who committed

0:44:48.471 --> 0:44:48.911
<v Speaker 3>this crime.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it's interesting the President just said something, which

0:44:52.111 --> 0:44:54.071
<v Speaker 6>is that on the day after the attack, he went

0:44:54.071 --> 0:44:56.671
<v Speaker 6>to the Rose Garden and said that this was an

0:44:56.710 --> 0:45:00.111
<v Speaker 6>active terror. I want to make sure we get that

0:45:00.151 --> 0:45:02.791
<v Speaker 6>for the record, because it took the president fourteen days

0:45:02.791 --> 0:45:05.591
<v Speaker 6>before he called the attack in Benghazi an active terror.

0:45:05.631 --> 0:45:07.071
<v Speaker 3>Get the transfer he.

0:45:07.071 --> 0:45:09.991
<v Speaker 2>Did, in fact, sir, so let me call it an act.

0:45:13.031 --> 0:45:15.271
<v Speaker 1>He did call it an active terror.

0:45:15.551 --> 0:45:16.711
<v Speaker 21>It did as well.

0:45:16.911 --> 0:45:18.231
<v Speaker 1>Romney fumbled for words.

0:45:18.631 --> 0:45:23.951
<v Speaker 6>The administration indicated that this was a reaction to a video.

0:45:24.671 --> 0:45:26.231
<v Speaker 6>Am I incorrect in that regard.

0:45:26.391 --> 0:45:28.631
<v Speaker 1>Lannie Chen was watching the debate from the green room.

0:45:28.951 --> 0:45:31.750
<v Speaker 7>I do recall at the time thinking he's going to

0:45:31.791 --> 0:45:36.311
<v Speaker 7>want to know after the debate, what did Obama say

0:45:36.351 --> 0:45:39.151
<v Speaker 7>and was I right or wrong? I knew he was

0:45:39.151 --> 0:45:41.750
<v Speaker 7>going to ask me that right afterwards, because it was

0:45:41.791 --> 0:45:44.071
<v Speaker 7>one of those things that was like a factual question, right.

0:45:44.071 --> 0:45:45.671
<v Speaker 7>It wasn't like, hey, what do you think I did?

0:45:45.991 --> 0:45:47.910
<v Speaker 7>It was like, tell me what he said.

0:45:49.710 --> 0:45:52.310
<v Speaker 1>Chen called back to Romney headquarters to make sure he

0:45:52.391 --> 0:45:54.710
<v Speaker 1>knew the exact words the President had used in the

0:45:54.750 --> 0:45:57.991
<v Speaker 1>Rose Garden the day after the attack, and he braced

0:45:58.031 --> 0:46:00.391
<v Speaker 1>himself for Romney to step off the debate stage.

0:46:00.551 --> 0:46:02.990
<v Speaker 7>After the debate, he comes off the stage, he comes

0:46:02.991 --> 0:46:05.551
<v Speaker 7>into the green room, he makes a bee line for me,

0:46:05.911 --> 0:46:08.471
<v Speaker 7>and he says, you know, was I Was it accurate?

0:46:08.471 --> 0:46:10.710
<v Speaker 7>And I told him it was that that I thought

0:46:10.750 --> 0:46:12.751
<v Speaker 7>he had not misrepresented what had happened.

0:46:13.031 --> 0:46:15.991
<v Speaker 1>The truth was, it had taken Obama about two weeks

0:46:16.031 --> 0:46:19.031
<v Speaker 1>to characterize the Bengazi attack as more than just a

0:46:19.071 --> 0:46:22.711
<v Speaker 1>mob action, But it was also true. On the morning

0:46:22.710 --> 0:46:25.390
<v Speaker 1>of September twelfth, the President had stood in the Rose

0:46:25.431 --> 0:46:26.551
<v Speaker 1>Garden and said.

0:46:26.671 --> 0:46:28.951
<v Speaker 3>No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of

0:46:28.991 --> 0:46:33.190
<v Speaker 3>this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light

0:46:33.230 --> 0:46:34.671
<v Speaker 3>of the values that we stand for.

0:46:35.951 --> 0:46:39.471
<v Speaker 1>Chen says he still thinks active terror and terrorism are different.

0:46:39.871 --> 0:46:42.830
<v Speaker 7>There was a distinction between terror and terrorism. That in

0:46:42.831 --> 0:46:44.750
<v Speaker 7>fact Obama had not called it terrorism. He taught that

0:46:44.871 --> 0:46:46.951
<v Speaker 7>he called it an act of terror, but not an

0:46:46.991 --> 0:46:49.951
<v Speaker 7>act of terrorism or terrorism. That was the distinction.

0:46:50.071 --> 0:46:50.431
<v Speaker 3>Why is that?

0:46:50.431 --> 0:46:51.711
<v Speaker 1>Why was that a meaningful distinction?

0:46:52.671 --> 0:46:56.551
<v Speaker 7>We felt it took on a different tone when you

0:46:56.551 --> 0:46:59.551
<v Speaker 7>were willing to call it terrorism versus an act of terror.

0:46:59.911 --> 0:47:03.391
<v Speaker 7>An act of terror in some ways, almost disassociates it

0:47:03.431 --> 0:47:06.230
<v Speaker 7>a little bit from the emotion of it being a

0:47:06.351 --> 0:47:11.111
<v Speaker 7>terrorist attack, a terrorist attack, an active terrorism versus an

0:47:11.111 --> 0:47:14.071
<v Speaker 7>act of terror, which we thought it was Obama's effort

0:47:14.151 --> 0:47:19.830
<v Speaker 7>to disassociate it from the severity or the degree to

0:47:19.871 --> 0:47:23.151
<v Speaker 7>which it was an attack on the United States.

0:47:25.151 --> 0:47:27.830
<v Speaker 1>More than a month had passed since four Americans died

0:47:27.831 --> 0:47:32.111
<v Speaker 1>in Benghazi. The administration and Congress had begun investigations to

0:47:32.190 --> 0:47:36.351
<v Speaker 1>understand how and why it happened, But the debate between

0:47:36.391 --> 0:47:39.270
<v Speaker 1>the sitting president and the man who wanted to replace him,

0:47:39.831 --> 0:47:53.991
<v Speaker 1>it just came down to semantics. By now you can

0:47:54.031 --> 0:47:57.071
<v Speaker 1>tell there were multiple threads to the Benghazi story that

0:47:57.230 --> 0:48:01.271
<v Speaker 1>wound together to form the outline of a scandal. Whether

0:48:01.311 --> 0:48:04.991
<v Speaker 1>the attack was pre planned or spontaneous, whether there had

0:48:04.991 --> 0:48:07.511
<v Speaker 1>been a protest, in Benghazi, over the innocence of Muslims

0:48:07.591 --> 0:48:10.991
<v Speaker 1>video or not, why the compound out in Benghazi had

0:48:11.031 --> 0:48:15.671
<v Speaker 1>not been better protected, whether the Obama administration initially downplayed

0:48:15.710 --> 0:48:19.831
<v Speaker 1>the terrorism angle for political purposes. Each of these threads

0:48:19.831 --> 0:48:24.390
<v Speaker 1>became fodder for debate and speculation. Together, they created an

0:48:24.391 --> 0:48:30.390
<v Speaker 1>air of intrigue. Soon the attack in Benghazi became simply Benghazi,

0:48:30.511 --> 0:48:31.431
<v Speaker 1>All right, let's.

0:48:31.190 --> 0:48:34.591
<v Speaker 3>Turn to Benghazi, misleading America on ben Gaza, all.

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<v Speaker 9>Of the emails relating to Benghazi.

0:48:36.591 --> 0:48:39.270
<v Speaker 1>Benghazi was a place most Americans had never heard of

0:48:39.391 --> 0:48:43.470
<v Speaker 1>before Ambassador Stevens and his colleagues died there, but within

0:48:43.591 --> 0:48:46.751
<v Speaker 1>weeks the word alone was enough to conjure any number

0:48:46.791 --> 0:48:50.471
<v Speaker 1>of questions and theories. On the night of the attack,

0:48:50.631 --> 0:48:54.071
<v Speaker 1>Mitt Romney looked uncouth and opportunistic for trying to score

0:48:54.111 --> 0:48:58.431
<v Speaker 1>political points over Stevens's death. By the time the election ended,

0:48:58.791 --> 0:49:01.951
<v Speaker 1>those days were long gone, and Benghazi had become a

0:49:01.951 --> 0:49:03.790
<v Speaker 1>political event first and foremost.

0:49:10.831 --> 0:49:13.750
<v Speaker 13>Fox News Election Alert. Fox News can now project that

0:49:13.831 --> 0:49:16.750
<v Speaker 13>President Obama will win the state of Pennsylvania and its

0:49:16.791 --> 0:49:18.191
<v Speaker 13>twenty electoral votes.

0:49:18.311 --> 0:49:21.471
<v Speaker 1>As election results rolled in on the night of November sixth,

0:49:21.791 --> 0:49:25.151
<v Speaker 1>the Romney team was stunned their internal polling had been

0:49:25.151 --> 0:49:27.911
<v Speaker 1>showing Romney with a lead, instead.

0:49:28.071 --> 0:49:31.750
<v Speaker 16>Seeing a projectsment. Barack Obama will be re elected President

0:49:32.031 --> 0:49:34.710
<v Speaker 16>of the United States. He will remain in the White House.

0:49:34.750 --> 0:49:37.750
<v Speaker 16>They're excited in Chicago, they're excited at Times.

0:49:37.551 --> 0:49:40.871
<v Speaker 1>Square on Fox News. It took some time for reality

0:49:40.911 --> 0:49:41.310
<v Speaker 1>to set in.

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<v Speaker 14>Yes, I think this is prettymature.

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<v Speaker 13>We got seventy We got a quarter of the vote.

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<v Speaker 12>Now, remember, here's.

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<v Speaker 1>One of their analysts. Former Bush strategist Carl Rove objected

0:49:49.551 --> 0:49:52.190
<v Speaker 1>to the call, prompting anchor Megan Kelly to question the

0:49:52.190 --> 0:49:54.511
<v Speaker 1>statisticians in the election unit live on TV.

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<v Speaker 21>Now here are the guys. This is the decision desk.

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<v Speaker 21>You tell me whether you stand by your call in Ohio.

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<v Speaker 21>Given the doubts, Karl Rove just race.

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<v Speaker 3>We're actually quite comfortable with the call in Ohio. Basically

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<v Speaker 3>right now, there's just too much Obama vote that's outstanding

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<v Speaker 3>there that we.

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<v Speaker 1>But Benghazi was not going away. Now that Obama had

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<v Speaker 1>secured his second term, all eyes turned to Hillary Clinton,

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<v Speaker 1>whose intention to run for president in twenty sixteen was

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<v Speaker 1>considered a foregone conclusion. As Secretary of State, Clinton had

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<v Speaker 1>appointed an independent review Board to investigate the State Department's

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<v Speaker 1>failure to protect the compound and the ambassador. Meanwhile, congressional

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<v Speaker 1>oversight committees were continuing to ask their own questions.

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<v Speaker 18>The House Foreign Affairs Committee on Benghazi kicks off at

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<v Speaker 18>the top of the hour.

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<v Speaker 8>Focusing on what happened before, during, and after the attack.

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<v Speaker 1>In December, Clinton was set to testify a by Benghazi

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<v Speaker 1>before the House Foreign Affairs Committee, but her testimony was

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<v Speaker 1>delayed after she fainted and sustained a concussion.

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<v Speaker 5>She became dehydrated, fainted, apparently hit her head, and had

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<v Speaker 5>that concussion. She did not go to the hospital. Doctors

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<v Speaker 5>are said to be monitoring her. But this means that

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<v Speaker 5>she will not testify this week about the attack on

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<v Speaker 5>the mission in Benghazi and the killing of Hearth.

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<v Speaker 1>The Fox News something was up.

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<v Speaker 16>This is a duck and cover.

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<v Speaker 20>Let's be honest, and the cleansings are great at this.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently she's suffering from a cute be Ghazi allergy.

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<v Speaker 13>We can't verify this because she's barricaded in her Rock

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<v Speaker 13>Creek Park mansion here in Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn' want to answer the question.

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<v Speaker 10>I bet that we might never hear her testimony on.

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<v Speaker 1>This On the next episode of Fiasco, Benghazi gets a whistleblower.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember his words so clearly.

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<v Speaker 19>He said, the government is lying to what they're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Happened, did not happen.

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<v Speaker 1>For a list of books, articles, and documentaries we used

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<v Speaker 1>in our research, follow the link in our show notes.

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