1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. So the other week of the Golden Bachelorette. 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: This week we are here to break it down with 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: Ashley Ashley. Big week for the Golden bachelorre We get 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: some emotion, we get some honesty, we get some transparency, 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: we get what I would call Jones real big first 7 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: hurdle of the journey so far, and we get some 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: new love interests. Kind of sparking thoughts. Take it away 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: from the first part of this episode. 10 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: The first part, of course, they do their thing, their 11 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: new preview of the big moment of the episode, and 12 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 2: that is Joan saying that she's not one hundred percent 13 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 2: ready for love in her life because John, She's basically 14 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 2: not over it is never going to be over. And 15 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: this was also a big tease in the scenes from 16 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 2: the season. It actually ended up being, luckily and not 17 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 2: as big of a deal, I think as they made 18 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: it seem like it could be in those in that 19 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 2: big teaser. So because she gets kind of like gets 20 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: over it in this episode, you know, she moves on 21 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,199 Speaker 2: and I think this is going to be the only time. 22 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 2: This is gonna be like the last time we hear 23 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 2: her worry about this. 24 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: It's very early on in the season. If this was 25 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: happening when there was two people. 26 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 2: Left, that's what they made it seem like initially. 27 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: But this is definitely just I think one of those 28 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: things that's true to her that we need to understand 29 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: about her, that we can a lot of people can 30 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: relate with about her. But this is not going to 31 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: be something that stops her journey from continuing. I think 32 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: we know that for you know a fact. 33 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, do we talk about the rest of the 34 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: conversation that she had with the men there or do 35 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 2: we get there when we get there. 36 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: We'll get there when we get there. Let's kick it 37 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: off with this really fun scene where we see the 38 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: guys in our acting in the house. I think this 39 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: is right now. One of the best parts of The 40 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 1: Golden Show is seeing the men and how they interact 41 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,839 Speaker 1: with each other. They're supportive, they care for each other. 42 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if they like it. I don't know 43 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: if they love doing Pascal's like laundry and cooking dram 44 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: but they're doing it, and I think that is such 45 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: really a really fun thing to watch. Charles says it best. 46 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: It's summer or I think Chalk actually said it, it's 47 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: summer camp. This looks like summer camp, and it's I 48 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: think it probably has a very unique vibe compared to 49 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: even The Bachelorette. 50 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, the guys are complaining about lack of sleep that 51 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: they have, and I've noticed that a lot of these 52 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 2: dates are ending when it's still light outside, and so 53 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 2: I'm wondering if they are catering the timeline of the 54 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: day to the older crowd, because you and I were 55 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: used to having dates that would absolutely go to one 56 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 2: or two am, and rose ceremony is gould go that late, 57 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: But two of these dates ended during daylight. 58 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: They've had to cater this for these guys. I think 59 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: it would make a lot of sense for them too. 60 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: Do they really want guys not like being at their best, 61 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: being yeah, being grumpy, being tired, not having any energy 62 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: and quite honestly, the dates so far have been fairly 63 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: high intensity. I mean, especially this first group date during 64 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: this season. There's like a lot of energy that's got 65 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: to put out in this. I appreciate the show for 66 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: recognizing who they have and saying, yeah, you know what, like, 67 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: let's take it easy on these guys. 68 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: I know. I think they're also taking it easy on Joan. 69 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: I even thought that maybe one of these group dates 70 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: would The group date was cut short because she was 71 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: upset about her mom being at home and sec I 72 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: feel really bad for her for having that way on 73 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: her during this episode, but luckily she ends up feeling 74 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: her mom is back home feeling better, so by the 75 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: end of the episode, Okay, but yeah, let's talk about 76 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: Pascal for a second, because he's so funny in the 77 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: opening segment when he's talking about, you know, not being 78 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 2: used to doing any sort of chores around the house, 79 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: really like taking care of himself to a certain degree, 80 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: and I'm thinking that he's just going to be this 81 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: fun character, right, and he's never gonna be taken seriously 82 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 2: by Joan. And then I'm surprised to see that he 83 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 2: has the first one on one of the week, and 84 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: I'm thinking, oh, okay, so this is going to be 85 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 2: I think the first Golden episode in which somebody is 86 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 2: eliminated on the date. I just did not foresee them clicking, 87 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 2: and they did. They had a great time. I don't 88 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 2: think that he's gonna get super duper far, but enough 89 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 2: to get through for this week and for her to 90 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:55,239 Speaker 2: just enjoy his company. 91 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: I was actually very I was with you. I don't 92 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: know if I ever thought, oh, I just never go 93 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: into a one on one thinking this guy's getting sent 94 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: at home or this. 95 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 2: Really I do all the time, and then I'm a 96 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,239 Speaker 2: wrong at least seventy five percent of the time. 97 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: My reasoning is, I just don't think it happens that much. 98 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: It's very rare for it to happen, so I just 99 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: never expect it, and if it does happen, it typically 100 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: feels like a very monumental moment, and in a sense, 101 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: I don't want to it feels like coming like when 102 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: I was on the show. If I was going to 103 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: have a one on one with somebody that had even 104 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: the potential to go home, especially early on, it would 105 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: be a waste of a one on one. So I 106 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: don't see that happening, because wasting those one on ones, 107 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: especially on the Golden Show that's expedited already, would feel 108 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: very impactful and also, just like I said, a waste 109 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: of time. 110 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 2: That's very interesting that you say, that's that's a strategy 111 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 2: that yeah, the lead should take into consideration. Don't waste 112 00:05:59,120 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: a one. 113 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: On one so this early, I just didn't think it, 114 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: but I was surprised to see him be the one 115 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: to go. I did not know what their connection would 116 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: look like. He's fun, He's really fun. He has a 117 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: lot of energy. The dude still is pretty ripped for 118 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: being however old he is sixty nine or something. Yeah, 119 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: it's pretty crazy on the older guys. 120 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so they're on the day and it's like 121 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 2: they go to the ultimate place for him, Vegas, and 122 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: it was very adorable. You could tell he was like, 123 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: thank you, Joan, thank you for picking me for this date. Yeah. 124 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: The only part that I thought was a little weird. 125 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: Maybe it's just me way Newton looking. 126 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: No, I love well, Okay, he's been on many episodes before, right. 127 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been on many episodes. 128 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 2: His face is just timeless. 129 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: It was a little wild that they went to the 130 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: Paris hotel when Pascal's from France, Like, it's it's like 131 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: going I guess to me, it felt like a little 132 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: bit he has to be looking at everything being like 133 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: this is hilarious that you're remaking this. 134 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 2: Definitely tongue and cheek, But do you think that they 135 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: really revolve the date planning around him, because normally the 136 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 2: dates are really planned in advance. They would have just 137 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: been lucky to have their set have been agreed upon 138 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 2: as being the Paris Hotel and then end up Cassie 139 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: a guy from Paris, and then her liking him enough 140 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: to invite him to it. 141 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: Typically how I mean it worked back then. I don't 142 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: know if it still does today. But when you get 143 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: started on the week, let's say the week starts on 144 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: a Monday, just keep it easy. On Sunday evening, you'd 145 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: meet with the producers and they would you'd say, okay, 146 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: what dates are this week? And they'd be like, it's 147 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: kickball and it's a trip to Vegas and going to 148 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,119 Speaker 1: the Paris Hotel. And then maybe they wouldn't tell you everything, 149 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: like the Wayne Newton thing. I wouldn't be surprised if 150 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: it was a surprise to Joan, but they'd be like, 151 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: you're gonna go and you're gonna get dressed up, You're 152 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: gonna have a Philly fancy dinner. Would tell you that 153 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: to be the week, Like who do you want to 154 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: bring on the one on ones because it's you know, 155 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: obviously whoever doesn't go to the one ones going on 156 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: group day, and you'd be like, she probably heard this 157 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: and said said, Pascal will be perfect for this date 158 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: to Vegas. Yeah, like I want to bring him. And 159 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: the Paris Hotel has just been a coincidence kind of. 160 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: She would have known that's where they are going, so 161 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: she probably said. 162 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: This is too funny not to bring him. Yeah, this 163 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 2: would be funny. 164 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: And maybe she's like, I want to know if this 165 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: is anything like Paris, because maybe she's never been to Paris. 166 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. That's how it used to work. You 167 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: would just try to pick people that you thought would 168 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: enjoy the date, would find it fun, maybe that you 169 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: knew a little bit about them so that you could 170 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: match a date with what they cared about, or just 171 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: somebody you haven't been on a date with would also 172 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: be another choice. But right now she has a lot 173 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: of people that she could choose. She chose Pascal. I 174 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: thought it was great. Their connection is deeper than I expected. 175 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I think, especially when you get to the 176 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: evening portion, I do think there is a connection there. 177 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: I do think he brings out a really lively side 178 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: to her. And you know what, he just like all 179 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: these people, he has a story to tell, and Joan 180 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: at this point, as a lead, you start to get 181 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: really tired because you're not emotionally, I think, trained to 182 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: hear all of these stories back to back to back 183 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: to back and carry the weight of them like you. 184 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 2: Want to care basically a therapist. 185 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's doing a tremendous job at it. She's 186 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: asking questions. You can tell she's engaged. As Charles says, 187 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: she's a great listener. She's really good at this role, 188 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: and I think that's a really fun thing to see 189 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: her do. She made it comment to Gary skipping forward 190 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: a little bit, but she made it comment to Gary Gary. 191 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 2: At which Gary, because that we had Bachelor Gary as well. 192 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: Bachelor Gary, Bachelor Gary, the former Golden She makes a 193 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: comment to him that I thought was so untrue. She said, 194 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: I'm not good at giving them responses back like you were. 195 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: I think she said something like filling up that extra 196 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: space afterwards, like giving them what you know, something too, 197 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's so wrong. Joan is doing exactly 198 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 1: that she might not even mean to, but she's doing 199 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: it just by being herself. 200 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 2: She must have thought that she could elaborate and she 201 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: was holding back and she was just giving them bits 202 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: and not the whole thing. Yeah, well, you know what 203 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 2: you just said that, like you're feeling connection and stuff. 204 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 2: I have to admit, I'm not sure that I'm feeling 205 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 2: romantic connection. I am feeling connection like human being to 206 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: human being. I'm feeling that she appreciates these guys, but 207 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 2: I don't feel like she's like, I want to jump 208 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: into these guys bones. It may be just the way 209 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 2: your body language is as you get older, or just 210 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 2: like how your demeanor is as you get older, but 211 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 2: I haven't picked up on like a ton of romantic 212 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 2: attraction from her to the guys. 213 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: I think it will come. I think the same thing 214 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: would be said about Gary Season for her baby. 215 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 216 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: I think it's you know, at the initial part of this, 217 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot happening. There's a lot of relationships to navigate. 218 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: She doesn't know all these guys great honestly yet. And 219 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: I think as we get further along and there is 220 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: less people and there is more private time, then we'll 221 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: see Joan and the guys maybe connect more physically. But 222 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: even with Gary Season, it wasn't really until in my memory, 223 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: the fantasy suites were like, oh, they're getting it. On, like, yeah, 224 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: we saw them in bed together and they're making you know, 225 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: in the windows about their time together. M I just 226 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: think it's I think it's a it feels appropriate. I 227 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: think it would. It's maybe it feels a little bit 228 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: inappropriate to make those physical connections too early on. 229 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that kind of goes back to what I was Yeah, 230 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:49,599 Speaker 2: it just kind of goes back to what I was 231 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: saying last week about the kisses. I'm like, the kisses 232 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 2: are like friendly, they don't feel like they're hot. Just wait, okay, 233 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: So anyway, we like the past wild day. He ends 234 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: up Pascal, he ends up getting the rose, and he 235 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 2: shares a story about how he came from nothing and 236 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: now he lives life up. He got the Cinderella date 237 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: and he basically lives life like and he basically kind 238 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 2: of has a sort of Cinderella like story. His dad 239 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 2: actually with a shoe. Oh my gosh, look at all 240 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 2: these references. His dad with a shoe before he moved 241 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: to America, fixed a shoe with a piece of cardboard. 242 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 2: And he was like, when you make enough money to 243 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 2: buy your buy your parent, you have this live with 244 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 2: this cardboard shoe until you have enough money to buy 245 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 2: your own. 246 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: I can't imagine all the things that he learned in 247 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: that season of life, his grit, his determination, his ability 248 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: to ask for help, his ability to connect with others. 249 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: It's really incredible to hear his story and then see 250 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 1: where he's at today. He's on national television flying. However 251 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: they flew to Vegas. It was private? Was it private? Yeah? 252 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 2: It was private? 253 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: Good for them. I never got a private jet. I 254 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: would love the private jet. 255 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: He said that he came to America without speaking any English. 256 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 2: I wanted to know more about Pascal Pascal for sure, 257 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 2: because I wanted to know, like how that evolution America 258 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 2: happened for him to be such a successful businessman. And 259 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: I wanted to know about his previous relationship. I think 260 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 2: he was married, he has a son, so there's other 261 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 2: things to uncover there. But I do like the fact 262 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 2: that we've been getting dates where it's like, no, I 263 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 2: want more, I want more, but like not in a 264 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 2: bad way, like we're not getting enough, but like their 265 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 2: stories are so good that we want to hear we 266 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 2: want to learn more about them. 267 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: Is that a good feeling? Isn't that just such a 268 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: good part of this show? Well as they're on the date. 269 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: We get a flashback to Los Angeles where some of 270 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 1: the guys have taken it into their hands to try 271 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: to help the men sleep better. That's a big storyline 272 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: at the beginning of this episode, because the men aren't sleeping. 273 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: A lot of that is because of the snoring, the shifting, 274 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: the noises at night, people getting up and moving around. 275 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: I'm guessing if they're like most men and women in 276 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: their sixties that I know that you know, somebody's waking 277 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 1: up at four am ready to go with the day, 278 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 1: and then they're sitting there on the couch, probably wondering 279 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: what in the world to do with themselves the next 280 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: three hours until you know, the television crew shows up. 281 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: There's just a lot of changes in their life right now, 282 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: changes the way they haven't had experience in the last, 283 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: you know, fifty years. This is a big change to them. 284 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: So some of the men do go to the store 285 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: to buy snuggies and blankets and i'masks and ear plugs. 286 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: All these things are are just funny. I think it's 287 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: a good bit, but I also find it to be 288 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: very helpful. Probably earplugs are the most helpful. 289 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 2: I could not have God gotten any good sleep in 290 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 2: the Bachelor Manager or in Paradise or anything like that 291 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 2: without ear plugs in an I'm ask always had that. 292 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a smart thing to do. I remember sleeping 293 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: with earplugs and I never sleep with earplugs. I think 294 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: it would be very, very important. We also see at 295 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: this time a really sweet scene with somebody that I've 296 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: picked as one of my top guys from the beginning. 297 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: I want to continue to remind you of this, Charles. Yeah, 298 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: Guy has always been up there for me. You have 299 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: doubted this, and I stick by it. You see this episode. 300 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: There's a couple things I want to point out to 301 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: you about Guy Gott in Early Rose that I think 302 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: will stand out later on in the season. But the 303 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: Charles and Guys scene is a really special scene because 304 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: Charles and Guy are sitting on the couch. Guys obviously 305 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: an er doctor speaking with Charles about how his wife 306 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: has passed away. Charles explains the story, and we've loved Charles. 307 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: Charles is a main character. He will be a main 308 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: character or a character for the rest of the season 309 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: until he is either let go or he is with 310 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: Joan at the end. He is a sweet man, he 311 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: is loving these moments so much, but he sees an 312 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: opportunity to ask a doctor about his wife and this 313 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: question that he's been holding on to, this question of 314 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: what else could I have done in the moment of 315 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: my wife's brain aneurism, And he says, why was there 316 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: blood coming out of her mouth? And for me, these 317 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: are the special moments of the show. I don't know 318 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: what Guy, I don't know what Charles's surroundings are like 319 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: when he goes back home. I don't know his friendships 320 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: back home. I don't know what his family dynamics necessarily, like, 321 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's ever felt comfortable enough to 322 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: take the time to ask somebody that would be in 323 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: the know, why was my wife's mouth bleeding? Fell Hagan. Ever, 324 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: so he asked Guy, and Guy tells him and truth 325 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: and honesty. Hey, I bet she bet her tongue when 326 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: she fell. That's probably not something that Charles wanted to hear. 327 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: But what it did do was Guy followed that up 328 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: with like, you need to stop asking yourself what you 329 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: could have done. And I think for hopefully for Charles, 330 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: that was a pivotal moment. So many of us that 331 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: come off this show have those moments that are pivotal 332 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: to us. They stand out to us as they've changed 333 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: the course or direction of our lives from that point forward. 334 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: We come into it with all this stuff. These guys 335 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: definitely come into it with a lot of stuff and 336 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: a lot of years of stuff. And this show because 337 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: it slows us down, because it takes away distraction, because 338 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: it takes away all the things that we're used to 339 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: in our daily lives. Every once in a while there's 340 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: a moment that says, no, things will never be the same, 341 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: and I think this might be one of those moments 342 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: for Charles. 343 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 2: He basically admits to that he's like, I will be 344 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 2: leaving here basically feeling a little bit more closure, a 345 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 2: little bit better about life, maybe being able to move 346 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 2: on a little bit more. It was really really special. 347 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 2: I have like nothing else to say other than like, 348 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 2: I'm just really happy for him for feeling better in 349 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 2: any way. He's just the cutest little man. He's so cute. 350 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,239 Speaker 1: He's a great guy, and he's doing so well so 351 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: far this season. So that is example number one of 352 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: guy standing up to support somebody else. 353 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, sure, I mean certainly it was Charles shining 354 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 2: through all this. If there's a standout, if we're arguing this, 355 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 2: Charles is the one who's the main character here. But okay, 356 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 2: I'm not saying who stood out more at all. But 357 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 2: he had a heroic moment in helping Sure. 358 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: And I just want to give you that example, and 359 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: then I'll give you example number two later on in 360 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: this episode. Okay, the group date comes up next. The 361 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: guys are gonna be playing kickball. They think they're gonna 362 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: be playing flag football because Eric Dickerson and Andre Reid show 363 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: up to the football field to give these guys a 364 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: little pep talk to teach these guys a lesson. I'm thinking, 365 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,959 Speaker 1: in my mind, please don't make them play flag football. 366 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: There's so many cutting, there's so much sprinting, there's so 367 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: much opportuned for pain. I am worried at this point 368 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: that these men are going to be stepping onto a 369 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: football field against each other. 370 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 2: Well, they don't they play a kickball game. Charles has 371 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 2: never played a kickball game, which adds to him being 372 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 2: just the most endearing so and it's sponsored by Quaker 373 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 2: Oats and the imagery is everywhere. I want to know 374 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 2: how much they paid them for this episode. 375 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: I think it's hilarious. I think it is the perfect 376 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: integration partnership. 377 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, because they're talking about it being well it 378 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 2: was protein, right, but when you think about oatmeal all 379 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 2: often times you think about fiber. And when you think 380 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 2: about fiber, you often think about older people. But we 381 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 2: should all be having lots of fiber anyway. 382 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: I love Keith like little commercial because I know they 383 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: had him do this or they're like, hey, can you 384 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: say this line first? He's like, oh, wake up in 385 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: the morning with Quacker Oaks yum. Yeah, And I'm just 386 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: like that's like, this is hilarious, Like I cannot believe 387 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 1: they're making these dudes do this, but I love it. 388 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: And it's a great integration. Integration it is. 389 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 2: It's great. It's so funny and obvious that it's that 390 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 2: we're like, yes, go for it, keep keep being creative 391 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 2: like this all right. They are of course going to 392 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 2: play a game, and whoever wins is going to have 393 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 2: the extra time with Joan at the end. It is 394 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 2: the it is the not Mark team that wins. 395 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: It's the blue team that wins. 396 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 2: The Blue team, the not marked team because Mark didn't 397 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 2: have any moments in this episode. It was shocking. 398 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: I'd even notice that. 399 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 2: You didn't stop. Okay, So they have a mini cocktail 400 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 2: party with the Blue team. Notable moments of course is 401 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 2: that Charles talks to Joan about his wife's passing and 402 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 2: how Guy was able to give him that closure. And 403 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 2: then Gil Gil is here and Gil talks to her 404 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 2: about how he adopted a daughter and she's only about 405 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: to be seventeen, so like, yeah, he's like still in 406 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 2: the midst of really raising her and she's at home, 407 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 2: and we know that Gil is the guy that had 408 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 2: a restraining order put on him between the time of 409 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 2: the background check and casting weekend to the show starting 410 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 2: to film, and they said that they were going to 411 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 2: cut down on his scenes. I wonder how much of 412 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 2: a role he really did play. If this is cutting 413 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 2: down the scenes, he gets the group day ros. 414 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: He does, which means he's around for one more week. 415 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, have we had any follow up information 416 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: from that really senior order. 417 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 2: It was just that a woman was complaining filed the 418 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 2: restraint because he just wouldn't stop calling, texting, and like 419 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 2: basically showing up at her house. 420 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: Gil is definitely at this point a main character. He 421 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: is on the show. He's getting first impression Roses, he's 422 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: reading date cards. He he's exactly around And I don't know. 423 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess from the show's perspective, how do 424 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: you cut out somebody reading a date card? And then 425 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: also how do you cut out somebody getting You can't 426 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: do that. You definitely can to show those and you 427 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 1: have to show why. And so yeah, maybe they've cut 428 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: out as much as they can at this point. 429 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 2: I think they cut out some of their conversation because 430 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 2: I felt like her conversation with Charles and Gary was 431 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 2: more qualifying for a group day Rose. I think there 432 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 2: was more substance that she had with the Gil conversation. 433 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 2: Gary was so sweet during this group date date, this 434 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 2: group date cocktail party because he asked Joan for her 435 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 2: mom's name after she opened up to him about the 436 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 2: fact that she wasn't feeling well at home, and then 437 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 2: he said that he was going to pray for her, 438 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 2: and they talked about they bonded over the power of prayer, 439 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 2: and then Gary shows up later in the week with 440 00:22:55,359 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 2: a written, framed prayer for her mom. It was so sweet. 441 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is this is so special. 442 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: Just because we have no clue how this ends. There's 443 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: so many guys from this season that will have no 444 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: problem finding a partner if they want one after this 445 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: thing's done. Gary being one of those. Yeah, I think 446 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: Jonathan being one of those. Right, Jonathan's emotional, we'll talk 447 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: about that, but they're Charles Goodness. Like, there's so many 448 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: guys here that I'm like, there's all these people watching going, 449 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: you need to date my mom, Like you need to 450 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,719 Speaker 1: date my mom, Please date my mom. And Gary consistently 451 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: now has been every week. Like I want to know 452 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: more about him. I want him to have one on 453 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: one because there is a an aura some his energy. 454 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: I don't use that term very often. I don't even 455 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: know what that fully means, but like his presence is 456 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: one that just makes you go, this is a guy 457 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: I need to be around personally and I want anybody 458 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: else to be around. He just has that factor. He cares. 459 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: He's super pretty bad too. 460 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's so sweet. 461 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: You did mention that, you know, Joan does get the 462 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: phone call that her mom is sick. That Joan is 463 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: very distraught about this. She's anxious about it. It's on 464 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 1: her mind. That is a very hard thing to do 465 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: when you're on this show, because you were leaving it 466 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: up to a producer to keep in contact. And I'm 467 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: guessing at this point, I think Joan even says it. 468 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: Joan is her mom's main caregiver, and so as a result, 469 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: the main caregiver is gone. Who's answering the questions on 470 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: Jon's behalf. I I love Joan's passion for her family. 471 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: It's obvious, right, I mean, at this point, if her 472 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: mom was to say, Joan, you need to come home, 473 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: I think Joan drops everything and comes home without a question. 474 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: But don't even think it's an issue with her. I 475 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: was just hoping that, like two seasons in a row 476 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: for Joan, Joan wouldn't have to leave. Really, I mean, 477 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: it'd be hard. She's she's our bachelorette, Like, it'd be 478 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: hard for her to leave. The show would obviously pause 479 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: for her to leave. But I was just going, can 480 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: jone catch a break here? I can just go through 481 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: this thing without something else under her mind? 482 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 2: I know. So it was so we're living to hear 483 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 2: later in the week that she was okay. Definitely she 484 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 2: was improving. This brings up the big moment at the mansion. 485 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 2: So as this group data is winding to a close, 486 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 2: as you mentioned, Gil does get the rose. We get 487 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 2: to see then. 488 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: Kind of the after effects of the kickball game, lustily, 489 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: nobody got seriously hurt. I thought it was awesome to watch. 490 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,360 Speaker 1: I thought these guys did a great job. We see 491 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: massages going on. 492 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 2: Uh. 493 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: We also see this moment which brings me to my 494 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: moment with Guy, where Captain Kim is writing a song 495 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: for Joan. 496 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 2: Oh, this is the other moment, Ben, You're right, Guy 497 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 2: really pulled through in this episode. 498 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: He has been pulling through. You noticed it. 499 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 2: He's so under the radar with his little moments. 500 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: But Captain Kim obviously cares a lot about music. He's 501 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: singing at the beginning, he's writing a song for Joan. Now, 502 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: I was with the guys when I saw Captain Kim 503 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: doing this and and then almost pushing it on the 504 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: guys to do with him, like, Hey, this is my idea. 505 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: We're gonna do that. There's no question of do you 506 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,479 Speaker 1: guys want to do this? Would this be a good 507 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: idea for you? Who's in, who's out? It was, We're 508 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: gonna do this. This is gonna be great. Everybody come 509 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: to the living room, everybody do this song eyes with 510 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: Captain or eyes with the guys, and I was like, 511 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to do that, Like this doesn't feel 512 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: like me. 513 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 2: It reminds me of when the guys were singing that 514 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 2: song up to Jojo during her season and it was 515 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 2: the corniest thing of all time. And then Chad was like, 516 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 2: I'm not singing about of the girl that I just met. 517 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and like I don't have any game, but 518 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: singing to a girl would definitely be like lowering my game, 519 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: Like it just does like for the any game I 520 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: do you have, Singing is not something that impresses anybody, 521 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: nor do I feel comfortable doing it. 522 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,959 Speaker 2: Dancing, on the other hand, dancing will win you over sexually. 523 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can get any You just asked Jess when 524 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: I come in and step with my hips, she goes, 525 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: let's go, and so it is. It was an awkward 526 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: thing to request. I get why the guys did it. 527 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 1: I do think Gary did a tremendous job again, of 528 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 1: because they could have just said, Kim, we're not doing this, 529 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: like this is stupid, like we don't feel comfortable doing this. 530 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: You noticed Gary's maturity, also his wisdom and his ability 531 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: to negotiate. In this moment where he tells Captain Kim, hey, 532 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: this is a song you wrote for her. This isn't 533 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: a song I wrote for her. You should be the 534 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: one singing is to her, mostly in a nice way, 535 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 1: telling Captain Kim, hey, dude, not in for this. This 536 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 1: isn't my thing. But one guy does stand out and 537 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 1: do it with Captain Kim. One guy out of all 538 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: of them, one guy falls on the sword for everybody 539 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: else and for this person who's obviously cared a lot 540 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: about this song, it's guy. 541 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very sweet, very sweet. I don't know how, 542 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 2: we don't know how it went down that he decided 543 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 2: to do it with him, but he did it, and 544 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 2: it was super kind because the way that kid wrote 545 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 2: that song, he couldn't exactly deliver it without another man 546 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 2: next to him. 547 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: No, So second moment where guy does something for somebody 548 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: else and I just think this dude's around a while. 549 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: I see it happening, Ashley, I'm sticking with it. Well, 550 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: let's transition into the final one on one of the episode, 551 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: because we kind of jumped ahead there with the singing. 552 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: We see the group dates get obviously told, and we 553 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: obviously at that point know that John's going to get 554 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: the one on one. We see emotion out of Jonathan 555 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: leading up to this one on one Ashlely, what were 556 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: your thoughts on it? 557 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, So Jonathan is really nervous, because he said 558 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 2: that he was because he knows that a one on 559 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 2: one date is going to put a lot of pressure 560 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 2: on him, that he's going to have to open up, 561 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 2: reveal himself, and he was kind of hoping for the 562 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 2: group date so he can kind of like hold back 563 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,959 Speaker 2: a little bit. And I totally related to this. The 564 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 2: first few weeks of the Bachelor season, I didn't really 565 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 2: want to have one on one either because I just 566 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 2: was like, oh, spotlight on me, me having to be vulnerable. 567 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 2: I'm so not ready for this. Let me at least 568 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 2: warm up to this guy. And really I almost felt 569 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 2: that sense every single week because like, not only is 570 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 2: it your first real first date with somebody's and it's 571 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 2: a very long date. It's like a nine hour first date, 572 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 2: it's also on camera, so it is very there's this 573 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 2: more pressure on that date than really any other date 574 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 2: you've probably ever been. So I totally understand why he's 575 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 2: so nervous. They go horseback riding, and Joan basically is 576 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 2: talking about how she feels like she's not being vulnerable 577 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 2: enough with Jonathan, with the men in the background of 578 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 2: this date. She never addresses it to him. She says 579 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 2: that she feels like she's always been the caretaker. She's 580 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 2: always had to, like, you know, have the strong front, 581 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 2: and now she's going to have to, you know, at 582 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 2: some point she's gonna have to like go on this. 583 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 2: But she's noticing things around her. She's noticing these hawks 584 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 2: are flying around on her day, and the hawk is 585 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: what her family thought was like kind of the symbol 586 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 2: for her husband, because her kids were seeing hawks around 587 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 2: them when right after he passed. So I'm thinking like 588 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 2: there was a turn of events when she said, like, 589 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 2: we're seeing hawks and I'm thinking about my husband. I 590 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 2: thought she was going to to say, this isn't him 591 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 2: bringing Jonathan to me. I thought it was gonna be 592 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 2: like this touching, spiritual thing, but actually it was she 593 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 2: interpreted it differently. She interpreted it like it's time for 594 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 2: me to like kind of let go and be vulnerable. 595 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: It's a big moment for Joan and I think it's 596 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: a big moment for the rest of this season. She 597 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: I think, at this point in time, had a lot 598 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: of questions about what her role was here and how 599 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: she was going to do it well. And maybe, as 600 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: you mentioned the beginning, you're early on in this process, 601 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: she might be asking herself, are any of these guys 602 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: really for me? Like, none of these guys are making 603 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: me feel anything close yet to what my late husband 604 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: made me feel. 605 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 2: I was expecting her to feel that though with Jonathan, 606 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 2: and she didn't say anything like of the sort. 607 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: She didn't. She didn't, and this day I do think 608 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: maybe came about maybe a little early for Jonathan. I 609 00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: think Jonathan he felt like he was enjoying his time. 610 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: He was crushing it at the house. He's really doing 611 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: well with Joan. As you mentioned, this is a big moment. 612 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: You get a one on one. It's not make or break, 613 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: but it is definitely a make or go home. And 614 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: Jonathan says something that I'm worried I'm gonna leave here 615 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: alone again because once I leave here, I'm gonna be 616 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: a loone. This is a very vulnerable moment for Jonathan. 617 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: I think we're getting a glimpse into this really handsome, 618 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: really confident, fun guy, and we're seeing what his insecurity is, 619 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: which is this loneliness thing he has going on. Again, 620 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: I will say this, if Jonathan were to go home 621 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: from this one on one, which he didn't, you would 622 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: have no problem looking into his DMS and seeing a 623 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: bunch of people say you should date my mom. 624 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 2: He might have no problem becoming the next bat Golden Bachelor. 625 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 2: I still think that that's being reserved remark. But holy moly, 626 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 2: is Jonathan a close second there? Now. Listen, Jonathan is 627 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 2: not just worried about what you said. He's also about, 628 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 2: you know, being alone after all this. He's worried about 629 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 2: being surprised by the dumping because he was surprised by 630 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 2: his wife just turning to him one morning, completely out 631 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 2: of the blue and saying I want a divorce. 632 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: Good point. 633 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 2: So okay, then, Gary, Well, we already talked about how 634 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 2: she sits down with the guys before the cocktail party 635 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 2: and says, like, you know, I need to like really 636 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 2: just be myself and let down this curtain with you guys. 637 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 2: Gary comes here to give her a little pep talk 638 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 2: about all that. I think it really was helpful sometimes 639 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 2: I feel like these cameos from past contestants the you know, 640 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 2: sometimes they are trivial, but this one I actually felt 641 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 2: like she really needed it and it was cathartic. 642 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: I think it's a good moment for Joan, and it's 643 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: also a good reminder of where she came from and 644 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: that if Gary can do it, she can do it too, 645 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: and I think it was a great moment for her 646 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: to move forward. It takes us to the very end 647 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: of the episode where we have a few guys going home. Greg, 648 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:13,800 Speaker 1: c k and Kim are sent home. Any kind of surprises. 649 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 2: There, No, I thought Kim was gonna get sent home 650 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 2: song or not. Just didn't vibe that. And the biggest 651 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 2: shocker towards the end of the episode for me is 652 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 2: just as always scenes for the next episode, because it 653 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 2: really looks like Chock is going home and Ben, we 654 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 2: talked about Chock and what a front runner we thought 655 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 2: he was last week, and damn, I really I left 656 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 2: this episode thinking that he might be definitely like yeah, 657 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 2: that he might be top three and then he leaves 658 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 2: and it's kind of almost reminiscent of Joan leaving on 659 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 2: Gary season because I think Joan could have gone basically 660 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:54,439 Speaker 2: that far as. 661 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: Well, Yeah, do you think it happens next episode? Though? 662 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it really make they make it seem it's next episode. 663 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 2: And I don't think he would leave on his own 664 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 2: unless it is also a family matter. So we'll see. 665 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 2: There's one part of the Gary Bachelor convo that I 666 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 2: do want to mention that I thought was significant. He 667 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 2: said she said together that like, they're not looking for 668 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 2: partners that they had. They're not looking for replacements. They're 669 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 2: looking for like almost a totally different person because they're 670 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 2: in such different places of their life now at this age, 671 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 2: because they're not going to be raising kids at them, 672 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 2: you know, they're not going to be going through their 673 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:34,879 Speaker 2: career with them. 674 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't find a replacement for the person of 675 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: your past, but you can find something new, unless we 676 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: hope for Joan. As she continues on with her journey, 677 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: all right, to close out here, Ashley, I need your 678 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: top three after this week? 679 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 2: Well, can I put Chalk in it? 680 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can put whoever you want who's still there. 681 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 2: Well, I guess it wouldn't. I wouldn't be very good 682 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 2: at predicting things if I said Chuck would be in 683 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 2: the top three, since they're basically telling us he's not 684 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 2: gonna be there. Okay, I'm gonna still say John Mark and. 685 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: Keith Okay, I'm going Mark Jonathan. 686 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I said John Yeah. I met Jonathan by the way, said. 687 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: John Jonathan and Guy. Guys gonna stick into it for me. 688 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 1: He's writing this to the end. If I was a 689 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 1: betting man, which sometimes I am in Vegas, I would 690 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: put money on Guy. The odds have to be fantastic. Hey, 691 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: until next week. I've been been, have. 692 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 2: Been, Ashley. See you follow the Ben and Ashley I 693 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 2: Almost Famous podcast on iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen 694 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 2: to podcasts.