1 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: A beautiful young mom seemingly emphasis on seemingly takes a 2 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: bike ride and she's never seen again. Then there's evidence 3 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: of a twenty two caliber bullet beside her bed, journal 4 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: burned in the fireplace. A lot of this is not 5 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: adding up what I want to know. Is there any 6 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: chance a snowball's chance? And h E double l that 7 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: Barry Morphew is gonna walk out of jail on bond, 8 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: cuts on his hands and crocodile tears. I didn't make 9 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: that up. Cuts on his hands and crocodile tears. Let's 10 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: just let it soak in for a minute. Take a 11 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: listen to this. We're hearing details about the days, hours, 12 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: and minutes leading up to May nine, twenty twenty, which 13 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: is the last day that the FBI says that they 14 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: knew that Susanne Morpheu was still alive. It's all focusing 15 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: on the Morphew home just outside of Salida. Now. The 16 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: FBI investigator today testified that Susanne Morphew was at home 17 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: sunbathing and sending pictures of herself to her boyfriend while 18 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 1: her husband, Barry, was out of the home that afternoon. 19 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: When Barry came home Susanne stopped responding to his messages. 20 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: An investigator testified that he wrote in an affidavit that 21 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: he believed Barry was chasing Susanne around the home when 22 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: he returned. That's based on cell phone GPS data. Defense 23 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: attorneys have said that that data may not be accurate. 24 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure they did say it wasn't accurate. Guys, you 25 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: were just hearing our friend Mark Salinger at nine Knees, Denver. 26 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: Expect a big ruling in just hours, and the Barry 27 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: Morphey murder case, I prefer to call it Suzanne Morphew 28 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: murder case. Joining me an all star panel. Wendy Patrick, 29 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: California prosecutor, author of Red Flags at Wendy Patrick PhD 30 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: dot com and host of Today with Doctor Wendy KCBQ, 31 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: San Diego doctor and Joy crossend psychologist, faculty Saint Leo University, 32 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: research consultant and author of Operation Soos. Joe Scott Morgan, 33 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: forensics professor, Jacksonville State University, author Blood Beneath My Feet 34 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: on Amazon and star of a hit series, The Piketon 35 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: Massacre on iHeartRadio. Mike King, host of Profiling Evil on YouTube, 36 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: former cop, former chief investigator good Gravy, I can't even 37 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: read all of your resume, author of Deceived and investigative 38 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: memoir of the Zion Society Cult. Oh that sounds good. 39 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: You can find him at Profiling Evil dot com. But 40 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: first to investigative reporter our friend Lauren Sharf at Fox 41 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: twenty one. You can find her at Lauren Sharf dot com. Lauren, 42 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: as much as I'd love to talk about the tranquilizer 43 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: cap found in the dryer, and don't jump up and 44 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: tell me the defense is arguing that means nothing, I 45 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: guarantee you there's not a tranquilizer cap off a tranquilizer 46 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: gun in my dryer, and I bet there's not one 47 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: a your dryer, and I bet there's not going to 48 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: be one, And the dryers of the jurars whenever they're picked. 49 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: What I want to talk about. It's the possibility that 50 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: this guy might walk out on bond. And when are 51 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: we going to get to see all those sealed documents. 52 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: We still haven't seen a multi page arrest warrant. Yeah, 53 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: the judges supposed to make that ruling on Friday, September seventeenth, 54 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: around one thirty and hopefully make a decision whether or 55 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: not Heat will get bond. And also it's the unsealed 56 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: at the David Well or if the stealed after day 57 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: that will become unsealed. You know, I'm very curious about 58 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: why the judge is holding out a ruling. Let's take 59 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: a listen to our cut one sixteen. Yes, Jackie, we're 60 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: up to cut one hundred and sixteen. Our friends at 61 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: Fox twenty one, listen to this. Very mooreph You laid 62 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: his head on the desk while his mother in the 63 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: courtroom cried when he found out he wasn't going to 64 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: be released from jail today. Both sides were wishing a 65 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: decision would be made on Tuesday. I wish a decision 66 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: would be made already as well. But really, putting your 67 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: head down in a dramatic play in the courtroom, why 68 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: don't just lay in the floor and cry? I mean, 69 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: what's it all about? Why the dramatics in the courtroom? 70 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: His mother starts crying to see actually think he's gonna 71 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: walk out on bond. That's my point of playing that, 72 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: Sam Lauren Sharp, is this guy gonna walk free? I 73 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: think a lot of his family members thought that he 74 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: was gonna get out of jail on the last day 75 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: of the preliminary hearing, but obviously that wasn't the case, 76 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: and he's still remained in jail without bond. The hanging 77 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: the head, putting the head all the way down on 78 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: the table in frustration or anger. I'm not sure what 79 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,799 Speaker 1: it suggests to me, just as Lawrence Sharp is saying 80 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: that he and all of his cadrey of supporters do 81 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: believe he's gonna walk free in the face of what 82 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: I consider to be a mountain of evidence. Straight out 83 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: to Mike King, host a profile and evil on YouTube, 84 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: former cop go blah blah, blah blah, a lot of background, 85 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: Mike King, let's use all of that expertise you've got, 86 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: and it's quite a bit. Is this guy gonna walk? 87 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: Go ahead. I'm not a gambling woman, but I'd like 88 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts. You know, I don't know if 89 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: he's gonna walk everybody knows, we don't know. We're not 90 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: the oracle standing on a mountain in Athens, Greece. But 91 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 1: what do you think. I think he's gonna stay in jail. 92 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: I think it's going to stay in jail too. And 93 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 1: you know why, because this is murder one. If it's true, 94 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: it's murder one. And let me point out to everybody, 95 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: and Wendy Patrick jump in if I'm wrong, because you know, 96 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: the legal standards are different very jurisdictions, but the legal 97 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: standard here in Colorado in a preliminary hearing it and guys, 98 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: a preliminary hearing is just basically pro forma. What it 99 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: is is a grand jury can indict. And I've been 100 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: railing about why a preliminary hearing was held in this case, 101 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: because what you're trying to do is get this case 102 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: to a jury, and in a preliminary hearing, a judge 103 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: here's evidence and decides that there's enough for an indictment, 104 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: or a grand jury can hear it in secret and 105 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: decide if there's enough for an indictment. When you have 106 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: a pre limb, the state has to put their evidence up, 107 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: put up witnesses for the defense to get a dry 108 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: run across examination. You got to show your cards, put 109 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: your cards on the table for a prelimb. Now I'm 110 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: understanding that we didn't have a grand jury for one 111 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: reason COVID, so they went with a prelimb. I don't 112 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: know if that's accurate or not. But that's the word, 113 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: so Wendy Patrick. The legal standard in a prelimb for 114 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: a judge to bind over the evidence is very simple. 115 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: It's an old case Jackson versus Virginia, which says the 116 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: evidence will be viewed by the judge in the light 117 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: most favorable to the state. This is not a jury 118 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: trial where it's beyond a reasonable doubt or beyond all 119 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: shadow of a doubt. It's just favorable to the prosecution. 120 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: If the judge thinks there's enough, it's going to get 121 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: bound over. And I think it will be bound over. 122 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: That's right, you know. But it depends on the kind 123 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: of case, regard list of the standard. How much a 124 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: prosecutor decides to show their hand. It's often a sneak 125 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: peak of the highlights, but it's more than that because 126 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: sometimes you have and this is again what distinguishes it 127 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,679 Speaker 1: from the grand jury. Sometimes you have prosecutors in different 128 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: jurisdictions that wants to maybe they believe that less is 129 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: more they want to hold more back. But then you 130 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: also have cases or they want to test out certain witnesses, 131 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: see how they do on the stand, subject them to examination. Please, 132 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: you can do that in a trial you can test 133 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: out your witnesses in private, in the privacy of their 134 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: own living room. Why put them up on the scanner 135 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: and let them get torn apart on cross exam? What 136 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: I would argue, there's a valid reason for doing that, 137 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: and I've chosen to do that in many cases. I've 138 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: never done a sneak difference. I've never done it. Of 139 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: the well, okay, some of the victims I've had, I've 140 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: found it very valuable to give them that opportunity to 141 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: not just see the quer room where they're going to sit, 142 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: where the Joe sits, but to actually go through testimony 143 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: on what kind of case you're handling. Well, we're about 144 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: to have the war between I think God is Wendy Patrick. 145 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: Because what I don't want as my crime victim, let's 146 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: just say a rape victim to get up on the 147 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: standard tape one beating on cross examine, a preliminary hearing, 148 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: then go through it another time in front of a jury. 149 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: But hey, you say potato, I say potato. Well, well, 150 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: that's why it depends on what kind of case you're handling. 151 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: And I've also had cases where we lose a victim 152 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: between prelim and trial and if they testified at the prelim. 153 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: What I'm able to do is to have a reader 154 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: or somebody to actually go in front of a jury 155 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: when it gets to trial, and even though I've lost 156 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: my victim, be able to have that testimony. And that's 157 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 1: why I try the case as quickly as you can say. 158 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: Nobody dies. Clime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, right now 159 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: it all hangs in the balance. We'll bury Morphew walk 160 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: free on bail. There are a lot of circumstances to 161 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: take into account when the judge makes that decision. Circumstances 162 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: like the strength of the murder case against him. Take 163 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at Fox twenty one, our 164 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: cut number seventy eight, I mean ninth. Agent Grucing said. 165 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: Susanne sent a picture of her sunbathing to her lover, 166 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: Jeff Libler around two pm. Her daughters were crying in 167 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: the courtroom when they saw the last known photo of 168 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: their mom alive. When Morphew arrived home, his phone was 169 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: turned on airplane mode at two forty seven and wasn't 170 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: turned back on until after ten o'clock that night. On 171 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: Mother's Day, Suzanne's phone paying for the last time at 172 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: four twenty three in the morning, when Morphew had told 173 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: investigators that Susanne was asleep when he left for Broomfield 174 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: at five. I want to talk about a web, a 175 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: bullet or a bullet casing found near her bed. Lauren Sharf, 176 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: reporter joining us from Fox twenty one News. What can 177 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: you tell me about a twenty two caliber bullet or 178 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 1: cart what's found by her bed? Yeah. Undershriff Andy Roy 179 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: testified that a twenty two caliber round was found on 180 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 1: the floor of Suzanne's bedroom next to her side of 181 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: the bed. They didn't kind of give more information as 182 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: to you know, how they found it. It was just 183 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: under the bed and it was on her side of 184 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: the bed. Joska Morgan sing for your supper friend, go ahead, 185 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 1: because I can guarantee you there is not a twenty 186 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: two caliber bullet shell casing and nothing beside my side 187 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: of the bed or my husband's side of the bed. 188 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 1: I'm not going to kill him. I may drive him crazy, 189 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: but I'm not going to kill him. So why is 190 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: there a twenty two caliber round on her side of 191 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: the bed? And don't start with me. Defense attorneys Wendy Patrick, 192 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: playing devil's advocate that maybe it wasn't her side of 193 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: the bed place. It's so obvious. On my side of 194 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: the bed, I've got a picture of my dad, a 195 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: picture of the twins. I've got a bottle of water, 196 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: I've got whatever book I was trying to read. On 197 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: David's side of the bed that there's one thing, a 198 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: charger for his iPhone bam, nothing sentimental, nothing at and 199 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: a pair of dirty socks. Probably, So it's very easy 200 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: to tell which side of the bed is who's. But 201 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Why is there a twenty two caliber 202 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: round in their bedroom? I'm curious it's their carpet or hardwood. 203 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: And you know why I'm curious. Go ahead, Joe Scott analyze. Yeah. 204 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: One of the things I'm thinking about Nancy is that 205 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: depended upon the weapon, the twenty two caliber weapon that 206 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 1: the thing would have been used in. Was he attempting 207 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: to potentially rack a live round into the chamber that 208 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: is pulling? You say a rack, I think of a shotgun. 209 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: You're just saying a twenty two caliber round and a shotgun. No, 210 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: but you can you can, I mean we use the 211 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: term rack. You pull the slide back on it. You 212 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: can rack it in, and he didn't realized there was 213 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: a live round already in the chamber, so he's going 214 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: to rack another round in there. Maybe he was fumbling 215 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: around trying to load a twenty two caliber revolver. This 216 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: is what I'm interested in. It is significant that this round, 217 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: this a live round, by the way, not a spent round. 218 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: Live round was found on the floor adjacent to hrside 219 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: of bed. I want to know what type of twenty 220 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: two caliber weapons this man owned, and were any recovered 221 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: in the house. That's going to be key here, Nancy. 222 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: I think coupling that along with this bizarre tranquilizer cap 223 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 1: that he's got. It seems like, you know, the twenty 224 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: two caliber round is used many times for people that 225 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: engage in what's called varmint hunting. You're trying to shoot 226 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: maybe coyotes or foxes or squirrels or something like that 227 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: that's getting into your area. I'm wondering if he wasn't 228 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: using tranquilizers for the same thing, and maybe a more 229 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: sinister why would there be a cap to a tranquilizer. 230 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, pocket and had fallen out while they 231 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: were drying clothes. And I'm just wondering if perhaps you 232 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: know you should go to will be a defense lawyer, 233 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: because you really a tranquilizer cap into the dryer in 234 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: order to eradicate physical evidence. You put it into the 235 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: washer in order to wash things away. So how in 236 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: the world did it wind up there? And also how 237 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: did this live round wind up there in such close 238 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: proximity to her side of the bed? Nancy, Okay, you 239 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: know what I thought you were going to say. Let 240 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: me just get crazy. I know I'm the JD and 241 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: you're the forensic expert, but I thought you were going 242 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: to say something alike when I gave you the hint 243 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: carpet versus hardwood that when you shoot a gun, well 244 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: that would really go to a cartridge. It would fly 245 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: out of the gun and land somewhere. Because I remember 246 00:14:55,560 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: a murder case I had, of course a wealthy, fancy 247 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: side of Atlanta, and it was deemed a suicide. And 248 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: the medical examiner investigator explained to me why it was 249 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: so significant where the cartridge was found. You know that 250 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: flies out of the gun, ejects out of the gun, 251 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: and that was a hardwood floor, because if it hits 252 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: on carpet, it will bounce one way. If it hits 253 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: on hardwood, it will bounce another way. But just the 254 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: fact that there is a twenty two caliber round on 255 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: the floor on her side of the bed. Actually just 256 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: got what you said makes a lot of sense. What 257 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: we're talking about right now is the possibility that Barry 258 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: Morphew will walk out free on bond. Now here's my concern, 259 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: straight out to Mike King, host of Profiling Evil on YouTube. 260 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: You can find in profiling Evil dot com Mike Suzanne 261 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: moorefew kept a journey religiously. It was not found when 262 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: the home was searched. In fact, Barry Morphew was caught 263 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: on video home surveillance video going into the home for 264 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: the first times that she's been reported missing. And he's 265 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: not really even curious. He's not looking around, he's not 266 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: racing to find her cell phone, nothing. But I do 267 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: know that there was a book found burned in the fireplace. 268 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: There was enough left to determine a book was burned, 269 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: and I'm wondering if that was her journal. My point is, 270 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: if he gets out and he did it well, he 271 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: try to destroy more evidence exactly, And I think we 272 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: have to consider the fact that a journal is such 273 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: a personal item. Sure people may pull out a page 274 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: here and there to try to get rid of a memory, 275 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: but they're not going to get rid of all the 276 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: good memories that are in there. And so that's really 277 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: troubling that they were able to find the other books 278 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: that they were specifically looking for, the Bible, the Alanon 279 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: book that they couldn't find a journal. And yes, if 280 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 1: he's released, is he then in a position to destroy 281 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: evidence that we don't know the location of yet a 282 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: really big concern. The guy doesn't have a home. Is 283 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: he a flight risk if he's relieved, Let's talk about 284 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: that flight risk, chance of tampering with evidence, chance of 285 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: committing another crime, ties to the community. Those are just 286 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: some of the criteria the judge will look at and 287 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: determining bond. Flight risk. He just sold his home. What's 288 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: to keep him there exactly? His daughters have moved away, 289 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: he doesn't have family. He's there a short timer in reality, 290 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: they've only been there a few years, so he has 291 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: no real associations. His business hasn't done well by all accounts, 292 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: especially since Suzanne's disappearance. He sells his home, he has 293 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: all the money bundled away somewhere, and he, to me, 294 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: is a very big risk of being able to just 295 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 1: disappear somewhere, Laura Sharp, where did he get the money 296 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: to buy that home? It's over a million dollar mansion. 297 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: I was told by Susanne's family he had gotten some 298 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: of the money from you know, Susanne's mother had passed away, 299 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: so she inherited some of the money. So some of 300 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: that money that they used to buy the home was 301 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: Susanne and so. And also they borrowed some money from 302 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: Jean Mormon as well, Susanne's father, So money from her 303 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 1: mother and from her father. Now he saw the home 304 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: and pockets the profit. Interesting climb stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 305 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: for those of you just joining us, we are talking 306 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: about a ruling that's set to go down in hours, 307 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: and that is whether Barry Morphy will actually face formal 308 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: murder charges in front of a jury and will he 309 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: walk out free on bond. Is it true to you, 310 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: Mike King host a profile a profiling evil that, when 311 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: questioned by detectives, Barry Morphy responded, I don't recall ninety 312 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: five times is this true? Well, that's what the testimony 313 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: is and what the media is reporting, And that's really 314 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: troubling because he had so many answers, and yet simple 315 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: answers about things like that, or his reactions and the 316 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: way he responds when he walks through the home the 317 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: first time after getting back into the home, when he 318 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: discovers his wife's missing, all of those start to really 319 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: provide a lot of behavioral information that you look at 320 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 1: and say, this just doesn't seem right. What do you 321 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: mean by that, Mike King? The way he acted in 322 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: the home the first time since Susanna has been reported missing. 323 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: As the investigators went back in the home, they were 324 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: looking for a piece of clothing to give to search 325 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: dogs in order to have a stant to be able 326 00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: to follow. One of the remarkable things to the investigators 327 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: enough that they would put it in a report and 328 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: testify about it during the prelimb is that he just 329 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: nonchalantly went into the house when about getting the piece 330 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: of clothing, didn't look around, didn't try to call his 331 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: wife on the phone. All these things that the rest 332 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: of us, in our minds would say if my wife 333 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: suddenly disappeared or someone that I was very close to, 334 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: I'd be asking questions, I'd be looking around I'd want 335 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: to look into the rooms and see if there was 336 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: something that wasn't that way when I left at five 337 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. You know, Nancy, I would argue 338 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: that goes to this reality that inaction speaks louder than words. 339 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 1: What he didn't do. We're not even talking about what 340 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: he said or didn't say, or what he could or 341 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: couldn't remember. The way he behaved. I don't think jurors 342 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: are not going to be able to relate to that 343 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: complete nonchalance in the face of his wife gone missing. 344 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 1: I think that's a huge piece of evidence straight out 345 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: to doctor Jerry Crawsen, joining US faculty Saint Leo University, 346 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: an author of operation, asked doctor Joy, I can't recall 347 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: I don't recall ninety five times in one interview. I've 348 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: done a lot of interviews, and I can't recall him either. 349 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: You know, he seemed to be somewhat organized with this 350 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: crime at the beginning, but you know, with the passage 351 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: of time, there's more and more of like we're already 352 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: saying the inactivity things that he didn't do, and that's 353 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: very revealing. You know, let me say one thing that 354 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: I would be concerned as a mental health or whatever purposes, 355 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: but his mental state. If he is released out about 356 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: possible suicide, why do you saying that, Well, just everything 357 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: that we've talked about so far, when you start looking 358 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: at the breakdown in his support system, is children knowing 359 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: now the evidence that he's seen before him, I would 360 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: really think that, you know, he could be considering suicide. 361 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: I believe Laurence Sharfa joining us in Fox twenty one 362 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: that both of his adult children supporting him. Yeah, they've 363 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: been in the courtroom every single day for the preliminary 364 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: hearing and they're you know, sending love and they say, 365 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: you know what, we miss you and we love you 366 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: and sending you hearts with their hands and um, you 367 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: know they're saying that, you know, very more fhe's their 368 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: best friend and that they miss him, and so they 369 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: are very much in support of very few. That's that's 370 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: even more for it because when the truth is coming out, 371 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: I mean, he's faced with one or two, he kind 372 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: of thinks black and white, and that's usually you know, 373 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: what happens in suicide. It comes down to a black 374 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: and white thinking, and it maybe his way of escaping out. 375 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: What about you Mike King, hosts of Profiling Evil. Do 376 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: you see him making a run for it, committing suicide 377 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: or standing by waiting for trial? You know, I think 378 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: he has so much arrogance that he probably will stand firm. 379 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: I don't know that. I'm too concerned about suicide. I 380 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: look at the daughters, and I think, what child wouldn't 381 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: be supportive of a parent after losing another. I think 382 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: you'll have some support, But the truth is going to 383 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: continue to eat away at that, and that's going to 384 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: create this foundation to start to collapse around him, and 385 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: then I think all these other concerns might come into play. 386 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: I'm very curious. Let me ask you about a couple 387 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: of facts, Mike King. Was her cell phone ever recovered? No, 388 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: not that I'm aware of. Lauren may have some more information, 389 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: having sat in the prelimb, but I don't believe that 390 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: it was ever revealed that it was recovered, was it, Lauren? No, 391 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: they haven't said that in court at all. So I 392 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: guess the wild cougar or the mountain lion took the 393 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: cell phone. Okay, cell phone not recovered. And back to you, 394 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: Mike King, Profiling Evil, her helmet, her bike itself was 395 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: found on this very remote rural route. Her helmet was 396 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: found a little less than a mile away. Where was 397 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: the helmet? I know that it was on Barry Morphew's 398 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: route that he would have driven, but where is the 399 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: where was the helmet found? Yeah, that was really troubling. 400 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: The bike, of course, is found in the little ravine 401 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: dropping down off the gravel road just before it reaches 402 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: Highway fifty. The helmet is to the west about eight 403 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: tenths of a mile and it's just maybe ten or 404 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: twenty yards off of the road, easy distance to be 405 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: able to be thrown from a vehicle to the south, 406 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: so as the vehicle, someone driving westbound, could easily throw 407 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: it out the driver's window and have it and end 408 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: up in that location. The thing that's so intriguing about 409 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: that is that, according to testimony in the interviews, Barry 410 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: says he sees a herd of elk and he wants 411 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: to pursue it because he's chasing alers. And he turns 412 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: west and heads down the road, loses sight of him, 413 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: has to turn around and head back the direction he 414 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: would need to go to Denver and onto Broomfield. All 415 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 1: of that just places him mister previously in the same 416 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: location the helmet is. You know, I'm glad you connected 417 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: those dots for me, because I was already confounded by 418 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: him going to the made up job site at about 419 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: four o'clock in the morning and please jump in. There's 420 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: so many facts, I've got any of them wrong. And 421 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: then he is, you have to get up and leave 422 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: early to get there, but then you would take time 423 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: to chase down a herd of elk, and then coincidentally, 424 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: where you chase down the herd of elk is where 425 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: her helmet is found. Do I have that right, Mike King? 426 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: From all of the testimony I heard, that's exactly the scenario, 427 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: and you know, I can see someone wanting to turn 428 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: and look at a big group of the elk. The 429 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: difference that I'm having trouble with is that this is 430 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: pre dawn, so the lighting is really tough. I don't 431 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: know that there's anything to support that the elk in 432 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: that area still have their antlers hanging on that late 433 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: into April, and are the bulls actually running with the 434 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: cows at that time of year and it just isn't normal. Well, 435 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: what strikes me is human behavior. Laura Sharfe based on 436 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: where the helmet was found and the GPS coordinates of 437 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,479 Speaker 1: his truck. Do they match together? And I was speaking 438 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 1: about human behavior. If I had to get up at 439 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: four o'clock, which many times I do, to be on 440 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,959 Speaker 1: a location at a certain time early in the morning, 441 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: why would you take time to chase down a herd 442 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: of elk If you have to get up at four 443 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: o'clock any time to get somewhere, that doesn't make sense 444 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: to me. Well, he even told invest two years that 445 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: he had packed his truck the night before and that 446 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: he left around five. And it doesn't match, you know, 447 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: the data from them cell phone where it was last paying, 448 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 1: because she supposedly was in bed sleeping as well, according 449 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: to Barrymrphy's testimony at five o'clock when her phone was 450 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 1: pinging around for elsewhere, and you know, and then his 451 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 1: phone and then his testimony as well, saying that he 452 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: turned less on Highway fifty when he should have been 453 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: going right also is interesting as well. Where was her 454 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: last paying Lauren at four am? Did you say he 455 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: got a little after four am and it was around 456 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: Conscious Springs? I believe, Wait, where is that in relation 457 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: to her home? It's about ten minute fifteen minute drive 458 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: from me and Zo Man Jessica Morgan, what Lauren Shark 459 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: just said and my mind is a bombshell that destroys 460 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 1: his whole story. That he left her asleep in bed, 461 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: had to get up early and leave her cell phone 462 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: is pinging at four am, fifteen minutes away from the home. Yeah, 463 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: is he traveling down the road with her phone? And 464 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: maybe it can be concluded that he's traveling down the 465 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: road with her as well, in God only knows what 466 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: kind of state she's in, So that can be implied, 467 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: I think, and would be implied by investigators. They would 468 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: be looking specifically around that area where they got that 469 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 1: last pain. It would not surprise me if they had 470 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 1: not gone out there with dogs to check that area. 471 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: I'm just really curious if they got any hits out 472 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: there that haven't been revealed. I would imagine to this 473 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: point they would have. But again, Nancy, I go back 474 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: to this idea that there's any number of places that 475 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: her mortal remains could be spirited away too and hidden 476 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: in some abandoned mind shaft or something like that that 477 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: he would have an awareness of. Potentially, can we tell 478 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: any of that from the GPS monitoring on his truck, Scott. 479 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: I would think that you would be able to Nancy, 480 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,479 Speaker 1: that they would be able to at least triangulate a 481 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: rough position on him, depended upon what the signal is 482 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: like in that area. Let's keep in mind this is 483 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,479 Speaker 1: a rugged, isolated area. I don't know if folks at 484 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: home really understand how isolated it is. It's the kind 485 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: of place that you want to go to get lost 486 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: and you're thankful for it. You've traveled across this area 487 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: of the country, Nancy, I've traveled across this area. Is peaceful, 488 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: it's beautiful, but it's also remote, to say the very least. 489 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: So I don't know if these signals are intermitted or not. 490 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: Climb Stories with Nancy Grace to Lauren Sharf, Fox twenty 491 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: one investigative reporter joining us. He's been on the story 492 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: from the very beginning. Lauren. A lot of the evidence 493 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: will be taken into account by the judge when determining 494 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: if barrymore few we'll walk free on bond and if 495 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: the case will be bound over for trial for murder one? 496 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: What can you tell me why was Verry spy pen 497 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: and Barry Morphy's car and what do you believe it 498 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: ultimately revealed. So Susanne Morphy she wanted this spy pen 499 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,959 Speaker 1: and she actually ordered it and sent it to a 500 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: friend in Florida so that I guess, Barry morph You 501 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't find out about it. And when she went to 502 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: Florida to meet her up with her dad, she also 503 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: met up with her friend to get the spy pen, 504 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: and when she came home, she would place it in 505 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: areas to catch Verry Morphu in conversation and things like that. 506 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: In one place was his truck and it's a voice 507 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: activating spy pen, so you don't have to be there 508 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: to turn it on or anything like that, and it 509 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: would catch conversations or what he was doing in his truck. 510 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: And you know, they have multiple audio recordings of Susanne 511 00:30:54,240 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: and Barry having arguments in the truck and than also 512 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: you know what he was listening to, you know, months 513 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: before Susanne was missing. Wow, So I understand that it 514 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: also caught her talking to her boyfriend. Yes, and at 515 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: the time they didn't know who that was. They just 516 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: had this voice and they you know, the investigators said 517 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: that they asked multiple people if they could recognize who 518 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: this voice was, and eventually they did find out it 519 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: was Jeff Libbler. Where was the spy pen in Morphy's truck? 520 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: They have not said that they I don't know. She 521 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: must have hidden it really well because he never found it. 522 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: What can you tell me about claims that Susie and 523 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: Morphy was planning to leave the country with her boyfriend. 524 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: I guess on the spy pen they and also interviews 525 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: that they had with Jeff Libbler. Investigators found out that 526 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: they had talked about going to Ecuador and she had 527 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: looked up, you know, if she could teach their possibly 528 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: and and so there wasn't any set plan to go. 529 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: It sounded like at least they just were in the 530 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: beginning stages of maybe looking to go to Ecuador for 531 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: a trip. What would she teach in Ecuador English? Yeah? 532 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: Got it? You know, I'm very curious. He claims he 533 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: did not very Morphy did not know about the affair. 534 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: I don't know that. I believe that. I think he 535 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: did know about the affair. What would you How would 536 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: you characterize Mike King the state of their marriage? All 537 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: reports are that there was difficulty in it that there 538 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: were reports that Susannah told a friend that the marriage 539 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: was having difficulty, may have even said that it was over. 540 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: There were indications that they were fighting over money and 541 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: that they were having disagreements in that regard. Family has 542 00:32:54,680 --> 00:33:01,239 Speaker 1: indicated specifically Susanne's sister indicated that there was complaints of 543 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: the marriage and the health of the marriage. And then, 544 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: of course there's the information that came out in the 545 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: preliminary hearing about the daughter Macy saying that she should 546 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: consider getting a restraining order against Barry and consider divorce. 547 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: Is it true, Mike King that Barry more for you 548 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: was quote shooting chipmunks the day before Suzanne goes missing. 549 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to make any connection to that twenty 550 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: two caliber round. Yeah. I think that's something the defense 551 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: will have to jump onto and use it as a 552 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: reason why that ends up in there. That's such a 553 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: small round that it could easily get stuck in his 554 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: pocket and get pulled out at some particular points, So 555 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: they're going to have to put a reason for that 556 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: being there. And there has been testimony that he was 557 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: shooting a huge amount of squirrels in the area around 558 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: the house and living in that Barmant country that Joe 559 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: Scott talked about that's not uncommon at all for people 560 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: to take a twenty two rifle out to shoot those 561 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: ground squirrel. To Jessica Morgan, when we're talking about around, explain, Yeah, 562 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: the around itself is a live bit of ammunition. That 563 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: means that the actual casing, the copper, the copper jacket 564 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: that people are the copper case that you see is 565 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: intact still with the bullet in place, and that the 566 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: black or that the powder is still in there the propellant. 567 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: When we're talking about casings, most of the time, that 568 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 1: means a spent round, it's been ejected, it's laying around. 569 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: And to Mike's point, just a moment ago, if he 570 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 1: has been varmint shooting like this, Nancy, and it's going 571 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: all around the perimeter of the house, I would think 572 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,280 Speaker 1: that a simple sweep of this area with metal detector 573 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 1: could probably confirm this. Unless he reloads, he would not 574 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: be picking these rounds up. Potentially he'd be popping off 575 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,720 Speaker 1: rounds all over the place. You'd find these spent casings 576 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: laying all over the ground outside of the home. I 577 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: think that would be very interesting to follow up on 578 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:02,839 Speaker 1: as well. Did neighbors hear any shooting, Lawrence. Now, they 579 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 1: have not said that at all in court that anyone 580 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: heard anything. So nobody heard the shooting of the squirrels. 581 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: And then I guess have to stand up on one 582 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: leg on top of the bed to shoot a squirrel 583 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: out in the window for the live MMO to be 584 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,240 Speaker 1: found beside her. A bid. The state is claiming that 585 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: they believe very mooreph you chase Suzanne around the home 586 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: with a dark gun, tranquilized her and ended up killing her. 587 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: What did the defense say to that, Lauren Sharf? How 588 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 1: are they going to refute the chasing with a dart 589 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,439 Speaker 1: gun theory? Well, they said the tranquilizer dart gun didn't work. 590 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: They played, you know, the surveillance or not surveillance bodycam 591 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: video of one of the deputees who was looking at 592 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: the gun in the garage, and you know, he said, 593 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: on the day he looked at it, it wasn't offerable, 594 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: or it hadn't worked in quite some time, or it 595 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: hadn't shot in quite some time. So that's one way 596 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: that they said that. And then also they really wanted 597 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: to clarify what was found in the dryer, and they 598 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: also kind of implied that one of the investigators had 599 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: placed it in the dryer because there was a sound 600 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 1: of a clinking noise after the investigator had put his 601 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: hands in the dryer. Wow, but isn't Mike Mike King? 602 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: I thought he very Morphy himself said that he had 603 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: shot at an animal with the dart gun. There was 604 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: testimony I recall hearing where it was said that he 605 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: told investigators that he'd used it to shoot a deer 606 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 1: in hopes of being able to take and cut off 607 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,720 Speaker 1: the antlers off of the deer. So again the question becomes, 608 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: its possible for deer where their antlers still on the 609 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 1: head at that time of year. But that opens up 610 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: other violations. Not only is that just incredibly humane for 611 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: an animal that uses the tailors to defend itself, but 612 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: that's against the law from at least all the laws 613 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 1: I'm aware of. Can we can we just deal with 614 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: a murder one charge before we go to the ant 615 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: or in humane treatment charge? But when did he claim 616 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: he used the dart gun? Do you know, Lauren? I mean, 617 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: he would just say this. He didn't give it a 618 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: specific time. He just was saying this to investigators when 619 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: they were asking if you know he ever used the 620 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:32,720 Speaker 1: tranquilizer dart gun. So I guess, Nancy, I gotta say this. 621 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: This whole idea that he used this gun, whether or 622 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 1: not he used it, is kind of pointless. The fact 623 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: is is that did he did he or did he 624 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 1: not have functional live darts with tranquilizer in them. You 625 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: can still use these things in order to take somebody 626 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: down with it if you're using something like it's a 627 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 1: very common tranquilizer. It's non opiate called zylene that you 628 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: could use it. It's like al so relax or it 629 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: makes people go to sleep, that sort of thing. So 630 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: was this actually used? The fact that the conveyance of 631 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: this thing didn't function like it was supposed to. I 632 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: think going to the heart of it is did he 633 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: have the darts in his possession? Could they be actuated 634 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: or actually utilized without using the gun? Could he just 635 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: take it, take the cap off and insert it into somebody. 636 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,359 Speaker 1: I don't know, that's a question I'd have to ask 637 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: somebody who's brighter than me to answer. My research online 638 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,879 Speaker 1: is that Mike Kane Jeffians pick up what I'm so sorry. Yeah, 639 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 1: My research online is that that can manually be injected. 640 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: It's it's the process of the explosion of the chemical 641 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,359 Speaker 1: through the dart into the person, and once that thing 642 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: leaves the weapon, it's the same as a hand pushing 643 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: it in. Once it hits and plunges in deep enough, 644 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 1: it releases the chemical. So someone could manually do that. 645 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: I've got to say, I think that's Wendy Patrick jumping in. Wendy, 646 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 1: I've never had a case that I tried where a 647 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 1: dart gun was used to tranquilize the human. So what 648 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 1: were you trying to say? I hear what Mike King 649 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,320 Speaker 1: is saying, and I think he's correct. Yeah, I have 650 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 1: never had a case like that either. But it occurs 651 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: to me that if a dart gun is not nearly 652 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,799 Speaker 1: as loud as a different type of gun, that could 653 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,840 Speaker 1: be the first resort it would use if you intended 654 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: to not leave any ear witnesses, commit a murder at 655 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 1: your home and then take the body somewhere else, especially 656 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: as Joe Scott said, in an area you go to 657 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,359 Speaker 1: get lost, I would say, or to hide evidence if 658 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,720 Speaker 1: that is your weapon of choice in the home, because 659 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 1: it's not as loud, So whether or not it functioned, 660 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,799 Speaker 1: it could certainly be a piece of evidence that it 661 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 1: was an option that was pursued even though it didn't work. 662 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:50,919 Speaker 1: And you know there's been DNA found in in Suzanne's 663 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 1: car and on her bike, unknown DNA. How big of 664 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: a deal is that, Joe Scott Morgan, Well, it's a 665 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,319 Speaker 1: big deal in the sense that someone else other than 666 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,840 Speaker 1: in her familial circle may have had contact with these items. 667 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 1: The question is can they tied back to anybody specifically, 668 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,879 Speaker 1: if they're not on some kind of predator list that's 669 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 1: out there, you're you know, you're whistling passing graveyard at 670 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: that point, you're not gonna have a hoots hooting hell's 671 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: chance to try to figure out who it is. I 672 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,720 Speaker 1: think that it could insert somebody else, certainly for the defense. 673 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: It could insert somebody else into this dance that they're 674 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,840 Speaker 1: doing right now, and all these preliminary hearings holding just 675 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 1: a moment, Doctor Jerry Cross, And if there's one person 676 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 1: on that jury that falls for what Joe Scott Morgan 677 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 1: was just saying, I know male DNA on her bike 678 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 1: or in her car. For all I know is the 679 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,239 Speaker 1: car repairman from a month ago. It could be anybody. 680 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: But if that place is doubt in one jurar's mind 681 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,360 Speaker 1: the state could lose. That's reasonable doubt enough. Yeah, definitely 682 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: as a defense attorney about that, But go ahead, I 683 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 1: think they would really highlight that, you know, drive that 684 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 1: home and hope that one juror would find that as 685 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: reasonable doubt. You know, Wendy Patrick, do we have to 686 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 1: find her body to go forward? As I know we 687 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,359 Speaker 1: don't have to legally, but as a practical matter to 688 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: win the case, does the state need her remains? I 689 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 1: don't think in a case like this where you have 690 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: so much other circumstantial evidence. If there were a case 691 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,879 Speaker 1: where we had very little to go on, or there 692 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 1: was very little that was found, including the evidence that 693 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,919 Speaker 1: appears to be the cover up evidence, I think maybe 694 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 1: it would be a jury would want to see it. 695 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,560 Speaker 1: But here, I don't think that's where we are. Nancy, 696 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: And I gotta ask you, Mike King. I find some 697 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 1: of the most persuasive evidence to be the GPS evidence 698 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,919 Speaker 1: of his car and his truck. I mean, he goes 699 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: out from one dump to the next, emptying trash five times. 700 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 1: Is that on his way to the work site. All 701 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 1: indications are that is on the way or once he 702 00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,719 Speaker 1: reaches Broomfield, So during that whole period of time, and 703 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 1: you're right, the GPS from the vehicle is going to 704 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: be a satellite direction, where from the phone it's going 705 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,240 Speaker 1: to be triangulating off the cell power, So the vehicle 706 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 1: GPS will be actually actually a little bit more accurate. 707 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 1: You know, I started our whole program today with cuts 708 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,400 Speaker 1: on his hands and crocodile tears. I was talking about 709 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 1: cuts on morephew that looked like fingernail markings, and the 710 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 1: crocodile tears. Explain that my king, Well, I don't know. 711 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,719 Speaker 1: You wonder if it's theatrics or true emotion. And the 712 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,040 Speaker 1: prosecution witness testified that it seemed a little odd to him, 713 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,960 Speaker 1: and so that's what I have to What was odd 714 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: just the theatrics and the large tears and the emotion 715 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 1: over this in the well placed emotion. But again I'm 716 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 1: just responding from what I've read and listened to. But 717 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 1: about it, Laurence Sharf, what are the crocodile tears that 718 00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 1: they're talking about? Prosecution felt like he wasn't your typical 719 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 1: grieving husband. It was like he was putting on an 720 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,680 Speaker 1: app when needed to. When he zeeded to like, you know, 721 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 1: when he first got to the scene, you know, the 722 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,319 Speaker 1: question the immediate questions about there was a crash, where 723 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 1: was the crash, and not kind of finding asking, you know, 724 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,279 Speaker 1: questions about where's my you know, how he found my wife? 725 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 1: Things like that that a typical grieving husband would would 726 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,720 Speaker 1: ask um. And then they found you know, they didn't 727 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 1: photograph his arms with the cuts, you know, the the 728 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 1: barely healed cuts on them until Wednesday, and you know, 729 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,440 Speaker 1: the under sheriff described them as fingernail marks on his 730 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 1: upper left arm, but then he said that they were 731 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: scratches from searching for Susanne in the woods. Well, the 732 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,080 Speaker 1: defense is going to argue about crocodile tears. He's damned 733 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 1: if he does, and he's damned if he doesn't. If 734 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:57,280 Speaker 1: he cries, they'll claim crocodile tears. If he doesn't cry, 735 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 1: they'll say, you're so coldhearted. You know what. We can 736 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,880 Speaker 1: speculate all we want, but it all depends on what 737 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 1: a judge is going to do. The hearing will reach 738 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 1: resolution when the judge decides, will the case finally go 739 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 1: to a jury, and will bury more if you walk 740 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 1: free on bond, we wait as justice unfolds Nancy Grace 741 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,320 Speaker 1: crime story, signing off goodbye friend,