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Speaker 1: for you. This it's the Pack twelve Apostles and only

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Speaker 1: the truth lives here. Twelve Apostles Apostles. The Pact twelve

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Speaker 1: is at a crossroads right now. Will the conference expand

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Speaker 1: will it stand? Pat preseason media poles are out, Oh,

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Speaker 1: we're right here, We're right there. Who has it right?

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Speaker 1: Coach David Shaw? His salary was through the roof And

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Speaker 1: have just absolutely, you know, been impactful for multiple schools.

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Speaker 1: And we have an interview with head coach of the

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Speaker 1: Ralph ams did and this is the Pack twelve Apostles.

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Speaker 1: The Pack twelve Apostles is the podcast Bypack twelve fans,

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Speaker 1: four Pack twelve fans who love the game and want

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Speaker 1: to get the real No sugar cutting, no b as

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Speaker 1: is allowed, just like on the rights to their own podcast, Ralph,

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Speaker 1: are you excited, man, we're like a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: away from football. I'm very excited. I'm I'm excited and

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Speaker 1: nervous at the same time because you see the COVID

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Speaker 1: more delays. So if you can be safe, courteous, cautious

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Speaker 1: The commissioner Klekoff, he met with the Big Twelve commissioner

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Speaker 1: use the drama to keep your conference consistently in the

433
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: public um conversation. But I'm not sure what the long

434
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: term effects or benefits um of that would be anyway. Yeah,

435
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: So we'll see what the conference does. But wh which

436
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: conference do you think has the most potential to help

437
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: the Pack twelve. I think it's the Big Tent. I

438
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: think the Big Tent on a scheduling agreement. Do you

439
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: think anything beyond that? No, No, I don't think there's

440
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: a full um you know, jump ship because it just

441
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. I think the PAC twelve is uniquely

442
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: positioned if they can get the visibility up and then

443
00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: to add other other teams like people have proposed b

444
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: y you. I don't think that b YU is a fit.

445
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: I like the fact that they have a huge fan,

446
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: huge passion and fan base, all of that. I just

447
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: don't think that some of their beliefs are gonna jive

448
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:20,959
Speaker 1: necessarily with what the Pack twelve chooses to do going

449
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: going forward. Like some schools are gonna have alcohol at games,

450
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: there is more like you know, so it's gonna create

451
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: a problem with some of the things that b y

452
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: U stands for, which are not necessarily wrong. It's just

453
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: I think that there could be conflicts there that don't

454
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: prove to be as that will prove more problematic than

455
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: they will advantageous. I'd like to see him just get

456
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: over it. Just get over it, like understand that people

457
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: are different and they still have to interact and and

458
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: then you know, have a situation like I'm I'm a

459
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: Mountain West fan. Before that, you know, you had um

460
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: the whack and and all that other stuff. But I'm

461
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: from Wyoming. Wyoming and b YU are huge rivals. But

462
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: then b YU and anybody they play is a huge rival,

463
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: and it's always a big deal to try to beat

464
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: b YU, whether that's in probo or to have their

465
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: fans always show up where and show out wherever, especially

466
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: in the West. You know, I don't know. I think

467
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: that it could. It would be interesting. It would certainly

468
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: more more interesting than like when Colorado was added without

469
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: really any natural West Coast rivalries built in. You know,

470
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that b y U is better

471
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,719
Speaker 1: than Colorado. What I'm saying is that it would be

472
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: more interesting, that's all. Yeah, Well, we will see what

473
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: ultimately happens. Let's just hope. I mean, because George Klikoff,

474
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: I was talking to Oregan's athletic director last Saturday when

475
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: I was up there for Saturday Night Live, and I

476
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: was like, George Klikov's legacy is going to be decided

477
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: within the first eighteen months. Now that conference realignment is there,

478
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: there's the there is the TV contracts, how long the

479
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: streaming all of this? Do you do you agree with

480
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: that that eighteen months is the timeline that we will

481
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: either our minds will be made up whether he's a

482
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: good commissioner or a bad commission Um. Well, that's assuming

483
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: that by then he would have struck the next deal, right, Yeah,

484
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: But if he hasn't yet and it's still not within

485
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: the window of that needing to actually come to fruition,

486
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: then the jury might still be out. That's the only

487
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: way that I could really determine if the jury is

488
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: still gonna be okay? Which is which do you think

489
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: is going to be a bigger determining factor conference realignment

490
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: and how he handles that or the TV contracts? I

491
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: think Furst and foremost you'll be able to judge him

492
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: by the interviews that he gives and the access that

493
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: he grants, which I firmly believe in the next three

494
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: to four months after he gets done going on is

495
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: listening to her and he starts to meet with a

496
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: lot of the different um UH people in media, and

497
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: I have no doubt that we probably try to get

498
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: him on here as well. I think the more exposure

499
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: people have to him, the more that he'll be able

500
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:31,479
Speaker 1: to present a really stark difference between himself and Larry Scott.

501
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: And I think his ability to identify and outline problems

502
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: will mean that he will lay before him, here are

503
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: ten goals, and then we're gonna start achieving them one

504
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: at a time. And so he'll actually give you the

505
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: ability to see the direction of the conference through his

506
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: eyes and put in uh sort of graduated marks of success.

507
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: I think he will create the metric. I don't think

508
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: that it really has to be done by like what

509
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: are these two big issues? The only think we could

510
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: judge him on right now is USC and Oregon haven't

511
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: left the conference, like every every day that goes by

512
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: that that hasn't happened yet. That's his first victory. But

513
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: I think once we get to know him a little

514
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: bit better, he's the type of guy that will tell

515
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: you what he intends to achieve rather than mystery is

516
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: your greatest friend, which was Larry Scott's whole thing, which is, Hey,

517
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: you don't know what could be happening. You know, that's

518
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: door number two. Door number two is is something you

519
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: should be excited about, but wouldn't define what the possibilities

520
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: behind door number two would be or what anybody could

521
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: expect because he didn't have anything. Um, So I think

522
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: that there will be a lot more things by which

523
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: to judge him than just the major major issues that

524
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: we're facing right now, because even those will be time

525
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: will tell situations. Dude, that's funny. Um. But you guys though,

526
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: up next, we have a special gift. UM. I was

527
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: able to interview David Shaw on My Serious show on

528
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: Mad Dog Sports Radio. And here's my interview with David Shaw.

529
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: Coach Shaw, thanks for coming on the show. Hey, my pleasure.

530
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: So this is obviously we're right around the corner from

531
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: football season. We didn't think that we would be in

532
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: a similar situation two we were last year at this

533
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: point in time with COVID and everything else. Um, what

534
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: is it like for you in your program coming into

535
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: camp kind of dealing with the same some of the

536
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: same issues as we were last year. Well, first of all,

537
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: we're much better than we were last year. I think

538
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: we're more informed, got a bunch of guys vaccinated, not

539
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: every everybody, with a bunch of guys vaccinated. We made

540
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: it through last year without a single positive test on

541
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: our team, so I know we have a good tracker,

542
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: were doing the right things, and now with the delta variant,

543
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: whatever else comes our way, we just have to operate,

544
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: uh within the boundaries that we have. We're better than

545
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: we were before, but the coronavirus is not completely gone,

546
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,479
Speaker 1: so we still have to be smart about what we do.

547
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: You know, we need to have everybody healthy, everybody available

548
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 1: for these games. And uh so now we're we're going

549
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: to with their eyes open. It's not what we would

550
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: like for it to be, but it's much better than

551
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: what it was. Yeah, Lass, last season for you guys

552
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: was unique because you actually had to leave home, you

553
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: had to go somewhere else to go play football, and

554
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: then you were on the road at Washington and then

555
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: I believe Oregon State or vice versa, and you guys

556
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: were practicing or doing walkthroughs in parks and parking lots,

557
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: and you guys were able to win games, Like how

558
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: did what did that do for the camaraderie of your team?

559
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: And also What did that show you about the guys

560
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: that you have. I think you saw the women's basketball

561
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: team also becoming national champions. Didn't play perfectly down the stretch,

562
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: but every difficult moment got an opportunity to be great. Uh.

563
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 1: And that's what we looked at last year, every difficult moment,

564
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: every every notice from our county that said, hey, you

565
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: can't do this. You were doing this, but you can't

566
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: do this anymore. Our guys became very adjustable. Right. We

567
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: stopped worrying about anything other than what can we do?

568
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: And then when we get a chance to do what

569
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: we love to do, we should go out there and

570
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: play this game of football. We give it her all.

571
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: So all the circumstances honestly brought us closer together, made

572
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: us really accountable to each other because anybody that did

573
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: the wrong thing could affect the entire football team. So

574
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: our guys hold each other accountable. Colas up to a

575
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: high standard. And our guys really came through and all

576
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: those difficult circumstances, being kicked out of the county and

577
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: taken row really four game roadstrip and going four and oh,

578
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: our guys took a lot of pride in note you

579
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: guys are always at the bottom of the conference in

580
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,959
Speaker 1: terms of offers given out, and then there are other

581
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: schools that have given out four hundred plus plus offers.

582
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: Is there aside from the admission standards? Do you think that, like,

583
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: what do you think about the amount of offers that

584
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: other schools give out considering that so few of them

585
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: are actually commit double which I don't like. Yeah, and

586
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: that's what we've been able to do really well. Our

587
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: players that we recruit respect us, partially because of our

588
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: process and our honesty. We will offer the number of

589
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: scholarships that we have. We don't over offer, but we'll

590
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: contact guys and say, hey, you know what, we really

591
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: like you. Here's what's gonna take to get to Stanford.

592
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: You're on our list. And it's not that your secondary

593
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: to the guys that we've offered. We've just offered enough

594
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: now that we can't over offer. We may lose a guide,

595
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: some some guy may go someplace else, somebody maybe not

596
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: get into school, and then we're gonna come back to

597
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: you if that spot does become available. So it's not

598
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: that you're less than anybody that we've offered. It's the

599
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: fact that we're doing this thing the right way, and

600
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: so many of those guys look at that. Initially, of

601
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: course they're offended, but then they're like, wait, how many

602
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: of these offers do I have that aren't really committable offers?

603
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: As you said, So for me, they look at us

604
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: and say, wow, you guys are actually honest with me,

605
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: tell me the truth. I may have twenty offers, but

606
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: really that might be eight, you know, eight truly committable offers,

607
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: So then they're not really offers. Back in the old days,

608
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: we call those not offers like non offers. There's an

609
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: integrity that we believe in. There's a process I call

610
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 1: it the game show. We don't play the game show,

611
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 1: like who's gonna take this first? You could want offer,

612
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: you get it offered up, but it doesn't really matter

613
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: because the first three guys come. That makes no sense

614
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: to me. So we operate with integrity and honestly, and

615
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: we're very upfront about that process and our student athletes

616
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: that we recruit and their parents really appreciate that. Speaking

617
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: of that, of that honesty, I wanted to ask you

618
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 1: about the process of being at Stanford because your guys

619
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: are always in their own class, like even if you

620
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 1: probably should have read shirted. In four years. We we

621
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: we We've seen so many guys who were seniors who

622
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: had a chance to get an extra year or still

623
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: have a year of eligibility remaining, transfer out of Stanford,

624
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: but they stayed there all their years, so it seems

625
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: like that they were happy there. So can you explain

626
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: to people how it actually works at Stanford and why

627
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: you do have so many seniors transfer out when they

628
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: technically do still have eligibility left and could have used

629
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: the red shirt. I really appreciate that question. I'm glad

630
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: you asked it, and I'd love to say this too

631
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: many people. As post apol. We haven't had a single

632
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: undergraduate transfer my entire temple. We haven't had a guy

633
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: to leave before he graduates, partially because of what you said.

634
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: Our guys like it here. They do well here. They

635
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: came here to get a Stanford degree in Stanford education,

636
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: and to to a man, they've been able to do that. Now.

637
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: I have an open philosophy with our guys and say, hey,

638
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: you know what, if you're gonna be a fifth year senior,

639
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: to me, that means you've graduated, You've done everything the

640
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: programs asked you to do. You're in great academic standing,

641
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: great standing with the football program. But you find a

642
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: better situation out there for you, not only are you allowed,

643
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: of course by n C double A rules. I'm gonna

644
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: help you, so I'll call. I'll make calls for these guys,

645
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: say hey, you know, don't don't don't be a backup

646
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: for me as a fifth year senior, if there's a

647
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: place that you could start. We got a guy like

648
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: Deafree Hamilton's who's a really good football player, and our

649
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: spot for him was going to be guarding because the

650
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: coach I really want to play tackle. I want to

651
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: play tackle. Like, okay, great, let's find a place where

652
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 1: you can start a tackle. Here's Duke, a good friend

653
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: of mine. Uh Dave Cutliffe. At Duke, they got a

654
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: spot at right tackle for they needed a guy. Great.

655
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: I'm glad that worked out for Devor right. He did

656
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: everything I needed him to do for four years, played well,

657
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: did well in the in the classroom, graduated on time,

658
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: and now I felt like I owed him that opportunity.

659
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: So we've had so many guys that as a fifth

660
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: year senior, if you don't want to compete for a

661
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: spot on our team, but there's another spot in another environment,

662
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: someplace else. I say, great, go do it. I think

663
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: coaches should be encouraging that because these guys have given

664
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: themselves to us for four years and graduated then as

665
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: a college graduate, I should not be able to tell

666
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: this guy what to do. He should be able to

667
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: do what he thinks is best for himself. So over

668
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: the years, we've had multiple guys that look and say, hey, yeh,

669
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: I could be the I could be the second receiver there,

670
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: or the or the or the backup guard, or play

671
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: a position that I don't want to play, or I

672
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 1: can find a better opportunity. Now these guys are walking

673
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: out with their Stanford degree and a great opportunity to

674
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 1: play football someplace else. How do you balance that because

675
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: a lot of coaches would operate out of selfishness in

676
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: that situation. No, I want I want the depth, I

677
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: want the you know, the the starter at guard. And

678
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't don't know that you guys

679
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: were super short on scholarships, like you. You guys were

680
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: nowhere close to eighty five scholarships the spring season this year.

681
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: So how do you balance having a full roster versus,

682
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, trying to do what's best for the kids.

683
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: We've never been in eighty five scholarships my entire time here,

684
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: so I'm done. I don't worry about it. I am

685
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: here for the student athletes. Whatever is best for them,

686
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: that's what we should do. What it's also my responsibilities

687
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: make sure that we do have en up debt. We

688
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: may have a spring or two like we did a

689
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: couple of years ago where we weren't very deep in spring,

690
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: but we are incoming freshman class is pretty dog gone good, right,

691
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: So it's it's up for me to make sure that

692
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: we are replenished guys that guys leave, that we have

693
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: guys coming back to take those jobs. And I think

694
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: we've done an outstanding job being able to do what's

695
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: best for the student athletes on our on our on

696
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: our team and also those that leave our team, but

697
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: also making sure that we're bringing in the right caliber

698
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: of student athletes that if we need to be come

699
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: in and play early, much like we have the last

700
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: couple of years, our guys come in and ready to

701
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: play early. You guys were on with coach Dave. It's Shaw,

702
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: Stanford football head coach. Coach you spent a long time,

703
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: you know, on PAC twelve side sidelines. Your dad, Willie Shaw,

704
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: was a long time d dB coach at a as

705
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: you and then defensive coordinator at Stanford. And now we're

706
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: looking at conference realignment. We're not sure what's gonna happen

707
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: with the PAC twelve. How important is it to you

708
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: for the PAC twelve to stay together or what are

709
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: your thoughts on the whole conference realignment? I should say,

710
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: you know, I'm really interested. I do think it will probably.

711
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just the beginning. There's gonna be

712
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that comes up. Something that's not

713
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: gonna be true. Someone's gonna be true, something's gonna be surprised,

714
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: as much like Texas and Oklahoma kind of keeping secrets

715
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: for a year before they made this job. But I

716
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: think it's all gonna eventually settle down. I think it's

717
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: gonna calm down. I feel very comfortable because of that

718
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: process we talked about for us, we're gonna be pretty

719
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: well insulated. Um the people that are looking for Stanford.

720
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: Stanford is not gonna change. We're still gonna be the best,

721
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: the best education you can get. And played Division one

722
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: college football, so I think we're gonna be okay. Um.

723
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: I do think as far as the conference is concerned,

724
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: we have a lot of natural rivalries that would hate

725
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: to see get broken up. UM. You know, in particular

726
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: US Northern California schools US and cal and and Stanford

727
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: are in USC and U C l A like the

728
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: four of us are kind of very, very intrigued about

729
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: our long history of playing against each other in every sport,

730
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: not just football. I hate to see those things break up.

731
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: I think we've got not not a great rivalry over

732
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: the last during my tenure with both Oregon and Washington.

733
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 1: You hate to see those rivalries go away. I'm sure

734
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: some programs are gonna look to do what's best for

735
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: them and we'll see what happens. But by and large,

736
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: I think the conference should pretty much remain the same.

737
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: The only question I have is who's going to look

738
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: out to to to join our conference. That's what's gonna

739
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: be interesting with with some potential moving pieces. But I

740
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 1: love being on the West Coast. I love the conference.

741
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 1: Whatever it all shakes out, hopefully, especially as four California

742
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: schools can stay together, um and continue those rivalries. George

743
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: Leakov is the new commissioner. And you know he didn't

744
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: get a chance to ease into the job. He clearly

745
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: has you know, as was thrown in the deep end immediately. Um,

746
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: what have you had any discussions with him? And um, like,

747
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: what do you think that some of the top conference

748
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: priorities should be aside from this name, image and likeness,

749
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, aside from the realignment situation. Yeah, he's had

750
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: a very interesting the first month on the job. Uh. George,

751
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: George's great. UM never met him before, we never heard

752
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: his name before he was announced as our commissioner. But

753
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: we just came off of our media days and we

754
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 1: had an opportunity as head coaches to meet with George,

755
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: and he impressed us all. Um, he's on top of it. Um,

756
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: he's got our best interests at heart through his efforts,

757
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,919
Speaker 1: done a great job communicating his attentions. So I feel

758
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: great about that now that the realignment kind of got

759
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: dropped on his lap. Big thing. The big thing for

760
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: us is the negotiation of our next TV deal, which

761
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: will be over the next couple of years. Those are

762
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: two big things. I think he's gonna keep him tied up.

763
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: Uh and and probably sleepless for a while, because there's

764
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: two pretty big things that that will really affect our

765
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: immediate and long term future. So um, I like or

766
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: where have heard from from from George. We're a strange

767
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: time right now, but at the same time, college football

768
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: is popular as it is, and the prospects for our

769
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: conference in the next couple of years are pretty exciting.

770
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: So I'm excited to have George leading the holme. Stanford

771
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: is a is a special place, and I got a

772
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: chance to after I finished my NFL career take a

773
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: couple of grad courses there that the NFL had put

774
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: it put on, and you could just feel the energy

775
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: that The only way I can explain it to people

776
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: is that when you walk on campus, you feel this

777
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: energy like something's going on, Like it's like a buzz

778
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: that brings me to name, image and likeness, because all

779
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: these schools are pitching their name, image and likeness plans

780
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: for the for the kids, all of all of this,

781
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: and I think that Stanford is probably uniquely positioned with

782
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: the type of kid that goes there, and also the

783
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 1: connection to so many Fortune five hundred companies and all

784
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: this to maybe direct the name, image and likeness in

785
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: a different way. Than some of these other schools are doing.

786
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: What are you guys doing at Stanford Well, first and

787
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: foremost education, helping guys understand the landscape, making good connections

788
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: with the right people, um, making the right deals for

789
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: the right monetary value. That's the biggest thing I think

790
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: any of us can do in this area is really

791
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: helping young people make the right decisions, because so far

792
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: some guys have not make great decisions. They've signed away

793
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: the rights for too long, all these other things that

794
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: are going on. The other thing that we're trying to

795
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: do here at Stanford always, but especially as n I

796
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: O period of time here is constant on things that

797
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 1: are real. Right, there's a lot of things out there

798
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 1: that aren't real. There are a lot of things out

799
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: there that are that are that we're going to just

800
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: go into vapor over time. We want our guys making

801
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: long term decisions things that are gonn affect them elves

802
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: going down the road. So making the right connections with

803
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: the right people, deciding to do the proper and i'll deals,

804
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: and doing them the right way in such a way

805
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: that you continue to make yourself more marketable. UM. There

806
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: sometimes the fast buck, sometimes the dollar that's a little

807
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: bit bigger than the other dollar. Sometimes those aren't long

808
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: good long term decisions are very temporary. Um So, we

809
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: talked about our guys using their own social media as

810
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 1: advertisements for themselves. It's not the place to quote rapp lyrics.

811
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: It's not the place to tell which restaurants your like

812
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: which ones you don't. It's an opportunity to talk to

813
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: the public every single day to make yourself marketable. So

814
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: that's the thing, is your own your own your you

815
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 1: are your own best advertisement. Um So, using the tools

816
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: at your at your fingertips, and the power of social

817
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: media to put yourself in a position to be a

818
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: marketable asset to someone who may want to come engage

819
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: with you. That's the most important thing. It's not just hey,

820
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: I play football here and now this person is going

821
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: to give me money. That's short term. That's not real

822
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: because God for bid, you get hurt, God forbid you

823
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 1: don't play well and you get benched. Right that, that's

824
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: that's not what you want to hang your hat. I

825
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 1: wanna hang your hat on something of who you are

826
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: and what you're about. Um That can be yes as

827
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: a football player, part of your identity, but then also

828
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: who you are off the field, and now that transitions

829
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: to an actual, true money stream, uh financial asset to

830
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: your life as you go forward, and not just some

831
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: short term, uh quick and easy dollar. You guys were

832
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: on with coach David Shaw at Stanford. Coach, I have

833
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: two quick questions for you before I'll let you go.

834
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: The The first thing has to do with UM. You

835
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: were quoted in the Peter Thermo article about Arizona State

836
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: and about the things that have been going on there.

837
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: I've talked to other coaches, they said it was an

838
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: open secret about what what have been going going on.

839
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: But the question for you is what what made you

840
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 1: comment on the record about it? Because so many coaches

841
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,919
Speaker 1: oftentimes they kind of hide behind the shield and anonymity

842
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 1: because they don't want to make waves in those situations.

843
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: That's a great question, and I back what I said.

844
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: I still believe it. We were coming out of pretty

845
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: much the most difficult coaching season for all of us. UM.

846
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: We all had rules, we all had restrictions with all

847
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: things that we couldn't do. UM. We had an extended

848
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: dead period, which means none of us could bring people

849
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: on campus. UM, we had a COVID situation, right, so

850
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: national health emergency. So we were really not supposed to

851
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: be bringing people on campus. We're supposed to try to

852
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: keep ourselves and our student athletes safe. As you said,

853
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 1: an open secret. It wasn't wasn't that people didn't know

854
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: they did something wrong. They got caught there in the

855
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: middle of the n C Double A investigation. I'm not

856
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 1: saying what's going to happen from that, but I would

857
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: let my feelings be known. I felt offended, especially me

858
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: being on multiple committees for our conference for the n

859
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: C Double A and trying to help set these rules

860
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 1: so that we could all be on the same page

861
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: and no one could have a clear advantage um, and

862
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: for for that to be pretty blatantly violated, I felt

863
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: very upset, and I still feel the same way today.

864
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 1: That's understandable. Final final question for you, coach is um

865
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: So there was an article written uh last year where

866
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: a writer was offended that somebody called Nick that a

867
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: writer who covers the team called Nick Saban Nick and

868
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: but a lot of people do. And then you had

869
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: Dion Sanders get upset about a coach calling about a

870
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: reporter asking him calling him Dion So as a as

871
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: a coach. I'm I'm a former player, so I kind

872
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: of give everybody coach, you know, everybody who's in that position.

873
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: But what what's the proper way to address Mr Coach

874
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: David Shaw? Um? I believe in making the big things

875
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: big things big and a small things small. You know

876
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 1: you talk to me respectful. You can call me coach

877
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: and call me coach Shaw. You can call me David. Um,

878
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: guys call me de Shaw like. That doesn't bother me. Um,

879
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: as long as you're respectful, and I'll be respectful right back.

880
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put constraints on the way that people

881
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: can communicate with me. And I have a title, but

882
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: else have a name, and I'm I answer to both.

883
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: Thank you make I love to make the big things

884
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: big and the small things small. You guys, He's coach

885
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: David Shaw, Stanford football head coach. Coach much success this season.

886
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: Hope you win all of your games except for the

887
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: one against my Oregan Ducks. Good to talk to you,

888
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: but no promises there, so I'll let you start. Ralph,

889
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: what did What were your biggest takeaways from David Shaw

890
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: speaking Well? Um, My biggest overall takeaway was that he

891
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: really seems ready for anything, because I think that was

892
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 1: a rather unconventional interview of what you would expect somebody

893
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: to ask, uh major college football coach and uh, and

894
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: you were, you were, You were taking him through the

895
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: weeds of some like you have to be a deep

896
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: fan not only of Stanford, but of the Pact twelve

897
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: as a whole to understand some of the stuff that

898
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: you're talking about, the dynamics between teams and the modern

899
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: issues outside of just the football that's being played on

900
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: the field, like, and he was ready for all of it.

901
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: And I know that you guys didn't talk beforehand. He

902
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: didn't know what you're gonna ask, So that really impressed me.

903
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: And then the thing beyond that that really stands out

904
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: is um that he's just not uh, he's just not

905
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: afraid to put himself out there and and um address

906
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 1: either criticisms and or things that he think needs to change.

907
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: He really put himself out there. And and when you

908
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 1: brought up that there's that criticism that his players leave

909
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: after four years, even if they've got graduate you know, opportunities,

910
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 1: even if they're starters, it really sounded like he knows

911
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: that criticism exists, but no one's ever really had the

912
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: balls to to levy it to his face, and he

913
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: knocked it out of the park. He was just waiting

914
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: on it, you know, and and he kind of thank

915
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: you for the opportunity to a dress it. And he

916
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: was basically like, look, you want to judge just by

917
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: who leaves our program, how about nobody leaves our program

918
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: without a degree? Can anybody else say that? And obviously

919
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 1: the answers no, And that's the that's the wild part

920
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: the But there was something that you said where you

921
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 1: said that people don't normally ask those questions, and I'm like,

922
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: shouldn't they? Though, I mean, like, if you get a

923
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: chance to interview David Charlote, that doesn't happen every day,

924
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: So why would you just leave it to I mean,

925
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna grill them. But it's not just a

926
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: softball interview. It's an interview where I'm gonna ask you

927
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: real questions that I think that people really want to

928
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: know and that I have, So like, what what do

929
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: you So? What did you mean by that part of it?

930
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: I just mean that I pay a lot of attention

931
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: to what the coaches and the Pack twelve are doing.

932
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: What they're saying, what questions they're being asked, what interviews

933
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: they give um, And the stuff that you're asking him

934
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: about in this interview is pretty in the weeds. Stuff

935
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: you bring up the offer disparity, which it takes a

936
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: special level of fan that is a interested in recruiting,

937
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: be interested in conference related recruiting. Uh, and see is

938
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: into the like really niche rules of like private school

939
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 1: academic standards. So like we're we're getting we we're getting

940
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: super and like this is the this is the real

941
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: red meat for the deep football fan. And and those

942
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: are the type of questions that you're asking and that's

943
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: not something that they're just gonna get from a from

944
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: a beat reporter, um per se and that there's definitely

945
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: not one they're going to get in a press conference situation.

946
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: And then you know you're you're also asking him um

947
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 1: about things that could be considered a criticism of his program,

948
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: which is that players leave with eligibility left on the table. Right,

949
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: Why are so many players leaving with eligibility left on

950
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: the table. It's something that we've of criticized, just like

951
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: how are you going to be able to keep the

952
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: talent in your program? If you have guys like Casey

953
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: Tucker and Henry hat Us leaving for a s U

954
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: instead of possibly being starters for you for the for

955
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 1: the fifth year that they'd be eligible, and he's able

956
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: to um, you know, despite the fact that I don't

957
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 1: think that that's anything that anyone would really ask him

958
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,919
Speaker 1: about because those players are gone, like they probably more

959
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: so focused on the present and the potential than the

960
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: stuff that already happened. That's just my take on it.

961
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: I don't see a lot of people asking those types

962
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 1: of questions. What did you think about his answer? Because

963
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: I thought it was fascinating where I asked him about

964
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 1: Arizona State and their situation and he basically like, I

965
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: stand by I said what I said to me. You know,

966
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:54,720
Speaker 1: I still stand stand by it. Their cheaters essentially, and

967
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: they get what they get. And I actually really like

968
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: that because I think so many times coaches and people

969
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: athletic directors they want to say things, but then they

970
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,959
Speaker 1: don't and they hide behind anonymous quotes. And David Shaw

971
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: was like, not not fam, I'm gonna go ahead and

972
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 1: say it. Whip with my chest, which then makes me

973
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: think back, remember a few months ago we did the

974
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 1: show and we were trying to guess who made the

975
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: anonymous quotes. I don't think it was David Shaw now,

976
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: because he clearly is like, I'll put put my name

977
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: on it if I say something. Yeah, that show was

978
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: a really really long time ago, and we were trying

979
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: to figure out who would who would have cursed and

980
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: said the F word in an anonymous quote to Bruce Feldman.

981
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: We did like a deep conspiratorial dive on that whole thing.

982
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: And uh, and yeah, and you had said you had

983
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: said that we both had speculated on the possibility of

984
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: it being David Shaw, and you're right, he has no

985
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: reason to be anonymous. And this is like, first of all,

986
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: get to the ears on a state thing. But his

987
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: salary um, his salary numbers dropped publicly. You saw that, right, George. Yeah, Yeah,

988
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: he had in you have eight point nine million dollars

989
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: in compensation that might have been nineteen football year. He

990
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: made up to eight point nine million dollars And uh,

991
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: I think that's the kind of money that you're that

992
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: if they fire you for something, you say, you're you're

993
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: not gonna starve. And they did say that some of

994
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: it was retention bonuses, and stuff like that. But but

995
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: still it's good. It's good season two. Yeah, but it

996
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: is good to know that somebody at least was making

997
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: enough money to UH to help the Pack twelve out

998
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: if they needed UH to make a rent payment. Actually,

999
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: there was one question that I didn't get a chance

1000
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: to answer him ask him because we ran out of time,

1001
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: and that was is that he's been suited accorded by

1002
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: so many NFL teams throughout the years. Why stay at Stanford? Well,

1003
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: I think that the news that dropped it would tell

1004
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: you like that that if that that's a really good gig,

1005
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: not just UH for molding young men, not just because

1006
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: it's your alma mater, but also the compensation is probably

1007
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: not going to be beat so um, yeah, he's getting

1008
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: SEC money. Yeah yeah, and that good for him, Good

1009
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: for him. But to bring up the Arizona State thing,

1010
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: I was very interested in the part where he confirmed that, Like,

1011
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: I mean, we all knew, and you and I have

1012
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: said that. When when you use the word open secret,

1013
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: you know you and I have said that. But until

1014
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: you hear it from a head coach of a of

1015
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,919
Speaker 1: a football program in your conference, maybe you don't take

1016
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: the word for two people who are media commentators. Right,

1017
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,439
Speaker 1: maybe you don't. But when David Shock comes out and said,

1018
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: like like you said, open secret, it's not that they

1019
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: like that. They were flagrant about it, and he has

1020
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: because you wouldn't speak about it in those terms if

1021
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: there is still a possibility that there was no wrongdoing,

1022
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: you wouldn't say like they got caught. Now they're under investigation,

1023
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: but they got caught. Like he's acknowledging that that it

1024
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: has to be true. That's a great point. That's a really,

1025
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: really great great point. Um. But I hope you guys

1026
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: enjoyed the David schar interview. You guys make sure did

1027
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: you leave a review? Leave a five star review? That is,

1028
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: and um, shoot us an email I'm ad at Unafraid

1029
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: show dot com or shoot us a text message seven

1030
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: five four seven if you want to, if you have

1031
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: a comment or you got something to say. Um to

1032
00:59:55,160 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: to move on. Though. The conference also put out at

1033
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: Pack twelve Media Day week and a half ago, they

1034
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: put out no No. A week ago they put out

1035
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: their media picks and what actually before we actually yet

1036
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: no No, Let's let's just tell them the media picks,

1037
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: Ralph and then in our particular picks. Okay, So the

1038
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: media picked the North division UH to to have Oregon

1039
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: come out of it. Their thirty eight first place votes.

1040
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: I think there's sixty total media or forty total media ballots.

1041
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: They got thirty eight out of forty. Washington had two

1042
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: UM and then number three in the North was cal

1043
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: number four Stanford, five Oregon State and Washington State actually

1044
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: picked to finish last in the North division, which might

1045
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: be the biggest surprise of all of this. In the

1046
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: South division, twenty seven of the forty votes go to

1047
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: USC and they get the number one spot. Utah had

1048
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: six in Arizona State had six, but in overall points,

1049
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: Utah finished ahead. So Utah was predicted to be second.

1050
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: In the South division A s U two, B three,

1051
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: U C L A actually got one first place vote.

1052
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: Don't know who that was from, but they finish was it?

1053
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: But they finished fourth and then five Colorado six Arizona. Okay,

1054
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: So where do you believe, Well, do do you have

1055
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: a problem with any of their picks. I don't have

1056
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: a problem with anything that that comes out in the

1057
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: media poll because you have to carry in the idea

1058
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: that most people who are voting on pack twelve related

1059
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: things basically understand about eight percent of what's going on

1060
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: with the team. They cover fifty of what's going on

1061
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: with the team's rival, and or less with the rest

1062
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: of the conference. So I never really put too much

1063
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: stock into it to say that they did something blatantly wrong.

1064
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: I think that it's feasible. I do think that the

1065
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: media has a tendency to punish teams that are involved

1066
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: in things that are outside of being football related. I

1067
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 1: think that Washington State is clearly not the worst team

1068
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: in the North Division, but I think because Nick Rolovich

1069
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't get vaccinated, media members were assuming the whole season

1070
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: was gonna fall apart. So who do you think is

1071
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: the worst team in the in the UH? And actually

1072
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: give me your order of finish in the North. In

1073
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: the North, I have Washington winning the North UH title

1074
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: or again, they're already off to a terrible start. But okay,

1075
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: all right, I feel Oregon at number two, Stanford at

1076
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: number three, Washington State at number four, Calent number five,

1077
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: same record, but I believe Washington State gets them head

1078
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:03,919
Speaker 1: to head and ore in State at number six. Oh

1079
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: my god. Okay, so actually let me let me pull

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01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: up the article that you wrote. So Ralph wrote a

1081
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: really extremely detailed um recap in all of this from

1082
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: Pack twelve Media day, including his predictions and all that.

1083
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: Ralph has Washington going ten into ten in two and

1084
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: then Oregon going eight and four. What how could you

1085
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: do this, Ralph? How how does Oregon go eating for? How? Um? Well,

1086
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: I did write this before it became evident that they

1087
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: might not have a couple of their starting defensive backs

1088
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: um due to personal conduct issues. But I do, I

1089
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: just I do. It's a it's not an Oregon thing.

1090
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: It's nothing to do with your ducks, George. It is

1091
01:03:56,320 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: an Anthony Brown thing. Um that That's my thing is.

1092
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: I don't think they have the quarterback to get this

1093
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: done this year. I talked to Joe Moorehead. Joe Moorehead

1094
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: is extremely bullish on Anthony Brown, and so why Tyler

1095
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: Schuck is miles away? Yeah, And and he said that

1096
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: the practice has has really demonstrated and confirmed his beliefs.

1097
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: And also if you, if you think about it, he

1098
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: talked about only about of his offense was in last

1099
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: year only, and we're talking about offenses that have been tremendous.

1100
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: So if that all comes together, Bro, They're they're looking

1101
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 1: at not only a and eleven and one season, but

1102
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: a potential undefeated season as well. There is potential for

1103
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: that obviously that Ohio State is a big one, buddy. Um.

1104
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 1: But for for me, I have Oregon finishing first in

1105
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: the North, Washington finishing second. No, no, I'm sorry, Stanford

1106
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 1: finishing second, Washington finishing uh third, Cal finishing fourth, Oregon

1107
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 1: State finishing fifth, and Washington State finishing sixth. Man, you

1108
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 1: you're a Washington State doubter as well. Yeah, And it's

1109
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 1: not because of Nick Rolovich. I think he's a wonderful coach.

1110
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: I just think that it's a tough situation, you know.

1111
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: I think that I think that they are in the

1112
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: tougher division because Oregon is gonna be good, Washington is

1113
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: gonna be good, Stanford is gonna be good. Cow's gonna

1114
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: be Cow is gonna be a tough out too. Call exists. Yeah,

1115
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: you ran out of stuff to say there. For a second,

1116
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be a tough out and then

1117
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 1: Oregon State's just gritty. So while Oregon States defense is

1118
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: gonna let them down a lot, maybe I can flip

1119
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: flop Washington State and Oregon State. I think that that's

1120
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 1: where we are with with the North. Um. But you're

1121
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 1: funny though. In the article, he says, I'm sure George

1122
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 1: Riser will hate this, but if I picked Oregon to

1123
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 1: go and defeat it, he'd probably find a way to

1124
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: criticize me for saying Oregon wouldn't hold every one scoreless.

1125
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: So he's gonna be mad anyway. Wow. Uh so in

1126
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: the South division, you picked Arizona State to go eleven

1127
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: and one, USC to finish second at ten and two,

1128
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:59,919
Speaker 1: U c l A eight and four at three. This year,

1129
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: I'm taking them too. Um you see uh Utah eight

1130
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: and four four, Colorado three and nine five, Arizona to

1131
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: win ten six strong to intend. Yeah, yeah, I see.

1132
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 1: I actually think that Arizona is gonna have a better

1133
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: I think that they're gonna have their records gonna suck.

1134
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 1: That man is tricking us. We are falling. We're falling

1135
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 1: under Jetfish's spell. Just like the recruits from It's Yeah,

1136
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: just like the recruits. It's the same roster as last year. Dude,

1137
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 1: It's the same rosters last year. Okay. I just I

1138
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 1: also feel the same way you feel like even was

1139
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 1: like man, is there a path to six and six

1140
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 1: Like he had me, He has me excited to just

1141
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: see where things go. I just love his personality. I

1142
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 1: love how wrong I would be if they did succeed. Um.

1143
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: I love how all of the criticisms of his higher

1144
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: actually have been addressed in the way he's run the

1145
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: team so far. Like he's had more allegiance to the

1146
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 1: alumni than anyone I've ever seen UH in the PAC

1147
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 1: twelve and so um, and he's basically just running ted

1148
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 1: talks through their every single day on different social issues.

1149
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: He's given UH these media interviews to where he just

1150
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: tries as hard as he can to be super relatable

1151
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 1: post and selfies with the you know, Catalina foothills behind

1152
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:31,759
Speaker 1: him while he sits in the swimming pool. He even

1153
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 1: name dropped Dave Portnoy today in a in a press conference.

1154
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 1: He's he's definitely trying to get people hyped up. He

1155
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 1: knows what the people like. He's taken advantage of his opportunity.

1156
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: But it's the same roster as last year. And I

1157
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 1: just have to keep telling myself that because if not,

1158
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like, you know what, they might win

1159
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: this thing. No I was trying to give him four

1160
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 1: four wins, okay, um, yeah, I was trying to give

1161
01:08:56,320 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: them four wins man um yeah, I I can't give

1162
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 1: them any more than that. But explain your Arizona State

1163
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: eleven and one to me, because I just don't see it,

1164
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:14,560
Speaker 1: especially their Martin controversy. Who knows who what's going to

1165
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 1: be left of their coaching staff? We we haven't. We

1166
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: didn't see much from them last year. Obviously USC is

1167
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 1: more talented, but University of Arizona saw plenty. Yeah, I

1168
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 1: think that we see a a nine in three u

1169
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 1: c l A or nine in three Oregon. I'm Oregon,

1170
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 1: not nine in three Utah? When when the South or

1171
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 1: even a nine in three USC. I just don't see

1172
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: Arizona State. I think Arizona State finishes the season with

1173
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: three or four losses. Okay um? I would This is

1174
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 1: everything that went that factored into uh Me saying that

1175
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 1: third year quarterback, which is usually the point at which

1176
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 1: a quarterback who's already shown flashes, really comes into their

1177
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 1: own right. So you have a you have a third

1178
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: year quarterback that most people consider to be a top

1179
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 1: three quarterback in the conference. Uh You have a experienced

1180
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:19,440
Speaker 1: offensive line. Everybody on that offensive line has played extensively um,

1181
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 1: and they have depth. You have quite possibly two of

1182
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 1: the best five running backs in the conference in Diamante

1183
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:30,639
Speaker 1: Trainum and Rashad White, so you have to factor that in.

1184
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 1: The receiving corps underperformed last year but had a really

1185
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:38,759
Speaker 1: really high pedigree, and added Bryant Thompson from Brian Thompson

1186
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 1: from Utah who is a legitimate deep threat and can

1187
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 1: replace the production that they didn't get from Frank Derby

1188
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 1: last year, so they can continue to install and run

1189
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,719
Speaker 1: a lot of the same things that they had planned

1190
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 1: on running. And the one giant week spot on this

1191
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 1: team was tight end and they received two graduate transfers

1192
01:10:56,200 --> 01:11:00,040
Speaker 1: and retained the talent from last year. So offensively, I

1193
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 1: feel very very strongly that they really have to be

1194
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 1: the one to screw it up um and a lot

1195
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 1: of it hinges on Jane Daniel's health. And then defensively,

1196
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:12,839
Speaker 1: everybody comes back and they look great. So if everybody

1197
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 1: comes back and they looked great, what am I? What

1198
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: am I supposed to do with this team? It's that's

1199
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 1: my biggest issue with Oregan is a lot of it

1200
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 1: has to do with can we plug and play for Lenore,

1201
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 1: for Thomas Graham. Um, I know Holland didn't play. I

1202
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: know that. Um, you know there's a lot of guys

1203
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 1: that opted out and everything like that. But are they

1204
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: experienced enough? Was my biggest question with them. And if

1205
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 1: I'm overvaluing experience, then I have to look at Arizona

1206
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:41,919
Speaker 1: State and be like, whoa, it's literally everyone And unless

1207
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 1: one of your coordinators gets fired in the middle of

1208
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 1: the season for who knows why, then there shouldn't be

1209
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 1: an issue. Okay, well, what did you make out of

1210
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 1: What do you make out a USC? Because there is

1211
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 1: the Clay Hilton factor, but we don't know if Keaton

1212
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: Slovis is back healthy and being able to throw the

1213
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 1: ball with any zipping velocity. Again, they haven't shown any

1214
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:13,679
Speaker 1: ability to run the ball, which will ultimately come back

1215
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: to haunt them at some point in time. They have

1216
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: built a nice seven on seven roster. They have wide

1217
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 1: receivers dbs, but it's the linebackers and interior guys on

1218
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:29,679
Speaker 1: the line that are the question. Obviously they got Corey

1219
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 1: form it, but he's a freshman. So what what do

1220
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 1: you make of this USC team? I like them. I

1221
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 1: think that, uh, they obviously be disappointed by not winning

1222
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 1: the the conference outright, Um, I I can't remember who

1223
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 1: I have them. Losing to Arizona State is one of

1224
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 1: the two losses, and I want to say it was

1225
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 1: possibly either It might have been Notre Dame and it

1226
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 1: might have been Those might have been the only two

1227
01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: losses that I had them down for. I think that

1228
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: they will perform well this year. I don't trust the offense.

1229
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,639
Speaker 1: I do like the personnel at wide receiver, even with

1230
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:11,480
Speaker 1: Brue McCoy being kicked off the team. Um, they graduated

1231
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: some incredible players last year and then just immediately restocked.

1232
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: They got Katie Nixon in and Jake Smith healthy. Jake

1233
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 1: Smith is potentially a top five offensive player in the

1234
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: conference today today and and and he just wandered into

1235
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 1: their program recently. So you know, I don't think that

1236
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 1: they'll miss Brue McCoy. They have talent at running back,

1237
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 1: they're not really using it. That would also be my

1238
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:38,680
Speaker 1: biggest criticism is if you can't run the ball, you

1239
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 1: can't always UM put a stranglehold on the on the outcome.

1240
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 1: But then I look at the defensive side of the

1241
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: ball and I trust that if Isaiah pola Mouse healthy,

1242
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a massive breakout year. The only guy

1243
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 1: on that defense that I don't really trust to do

1244
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 1: their job because I think that, uh, um, your boy

1245
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 1: will make an impact as a freshman regardless of his age.

1246
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 1: And I really think that Drake Jackson is the only

1247
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 1: person that can challenge cabe On Thibodeau for the defensive

1248
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 1: player of the Year in the conference. But if if

1249
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 1: Isaiah polam out holds his own out there playing center

1250
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:10,679
Speaker 1: field from the safety position, I think that they can

1251
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 1: make enough plays, get enough turnovers um to make up

1252
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 1: for if Chris Steele makes a mistake here and there,

1253
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 1: uh and and they'll get a lot of wins. I

1254
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 1: like USC this year. I understand that USC fans would

1255
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,680
Speaker 1: look at Tennant too, especially if Tennant two doesn't mean

1256
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 1: winning the South and consider that a failure. But this

1257
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 1: is I'm just judging it based off of what I see.

1258
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 1: No that makes sense. And how much do you think

1259
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 1: Clay Helton factors into this um Like, like how many

1260
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 1: losses is he worth? I don't know, because that that

1261
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 1: offense and the defense is pretty much out of his

1262
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 1: hands right, Like he's he's kind of in a position

1263
01:14:55,200 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 1: where it's gonna be his decision making in crucial situations. Um,

1264
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 1: that will ultimately factor into certain things. But if they're losing,

1265
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 1: you know, I don't even know why we're talking. They

1266
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 1: could win out and he would still be hated. But

1267
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 1: if we're talking about the actual culpability of the people

1268
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 1: who are calling the plays, it's not him. So you know,

1269
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: he might be fired if they go undefeated at the

1270
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: at the end of the year. He might not have

1271
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:28,600
Speaker 1: any control over that because he's just universally disliked and

1272
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 1: they have a new athletic director. But you know, I

1273
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:35,640
Speaker 1: think that the actual culpability like this is gonna be

1274
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 1: a really big year for his staff to be able

1275
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 1: to position themselves to either succeed him and or get

1276
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 1: opportunities elsewhere, because I think everybody there knows there's not

1277
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 1: really a road to redemption for Clay Helton outside of

1278
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 1: maybe three national championships in a row would get some

1279
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Speaker 1: of the USC fans off his back. Dude, one one

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01:15:56,600 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: will get USC fans off off of his back. It's

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01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 1: not for the summer. For the summer, and then if

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01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:07,599
Speaker 1: they lose their opener, that next year, they'll be calling

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01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 1: for his head of course, of course. I mean their

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01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:16,640
Speaker 1: their schedule is not exactly easy either, um, they and

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01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: obviously for them, beating Oregon is crucial, which which for

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01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 1: USC fans hurts their feelings for that that they have

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01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: to say, oh my god, we we have to beat

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01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 1: Oregon like that. That they're like, we're above that. Um,

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01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 1: but I'm going on their message board, they're not exactly

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01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 1: a hundred percent sold on this San Jose State game

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01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 1: game one. And then there's the Notre Dame game at

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01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, which you still have. That's because you still

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01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 1: have a bunch of fans that are rooting for them

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01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:54,560
Speaker 1: to lose to San Jose State and they got b

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01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 1: y U at the end of the year two. All right,

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01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 1: this could this is feast or face him in for USC.

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01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 1: Feast ur family. UM, hold on the the website, guy

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01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 1: just pin me right now, asked me if I could

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Speaker 1: hop on super quick. Can we pause just for a second,

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01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: because so I can tell him because he said he

1301
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 1: has all types of questions so we can get everything

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01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 1: done before tomorrow. All right, since we both have decided

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01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 1: that USC has some has some issues and we don't

1304
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 1: know quite what they're going to be. Let's get on

1305
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 1: to who the media picked for. They're all packed twelve

1306
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 1: teams and if you if you haven't seen him, we'll

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01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:44,679
Speaker 1: put the the link to the article in the show

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01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 1: in the show description, so you guys can go check

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01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 1: check that out. But Keaton Slova's first team quarterback, Jade

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01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 1: Daniels second team, Jered Brussard and Mike Max Borgi on

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01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 1: first team for running backs, and we're Shot White and c. J.

1312
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 1: Verdell on second team for wide receivers. Drake London, Kyle

1313
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:11,600
Speaker 1: Phillips on first team, Johnny Johnson and Britton Covey on

1314
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 1: second team. Kate Dotton. Actually I probably should have said

1315
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 1: where some some of these guys that guys are from,

1316
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:19,640
Speaker 1: but uh, Kyle Phillips is from u c l A,

1317
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 1: Drake London USC, Johnny Johnson Oregon, Britton Covey Utah, and

1318
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: the uh tight ends, Cade Otten from Washington and Greg

1319
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 1: Dillitch from u c l A. We won't even get

1320
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: into the lineman only because you know, people don't know

1321
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 1: all of those people all the time. But who do

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01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: you have a problem with any of those on first

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01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 1: and second team? Yeah? Max BORGI, UM, who you love?

1324
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 1: I like, um, But you have to understand if the

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01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:57,600
Speaker 1: media believes that you are going to finish last in

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01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 1: the pack twelve North, they're also not going to give

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01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: you any postseason honors. So those two things just they

1328
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 1: don't go together regardless. And that then I have to

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01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 1: look at my own personal picks and say, well, who

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01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 1: who would go there? And if I'm believing that Arizona

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01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:14,719
Speaker 1: State is gonna have the best record in the conference,

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01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 1: do I really believe that they're not gonna have a

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01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 1: skilled position offensive player not on first team? No, I don't,

1334
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Speaker 1: And I think the thing that would carry them there

1335
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 1: is their running game. And I believe that Rashad White

1336
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 1: is the most talented running back in the program. So

1337
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 1: I would have a Rashad White first team over Max Borgi. UM.

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01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:34,799
Speaker 1: I do not like that Travell Harris isn't on first

1339
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 1: or second team, and I would even put him over

1340
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 1: Kaya Phillips uh in the u c l A slot

1341
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 1: to where it would be drake Lonnon and Trebelle Harris

1342
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 1: being the top wide receivers in the conference. And I

1343
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 1: know that that goes against what I said about you know,

1344
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 1: it makes sense that they would leave Trabelle Harris off

1345
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 1: because they don't have Washington State really winning any games.

1346
01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 1: But why have Max Borgie on there? If that's gonna

1347
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: be the case in Washington State is gonna better than

1348
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:03,599
Speaker 1: the factual media believes are gonna be. But I don't

1349
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:05,719
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be Max Borgi based. I think Treville

1350
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 1: Harris is gonna be their guy, and I think he

1351
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 1: makes factual first team. I agree with you about Max

1352
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 1: Borgi big, but but for a different reason, even though

1353
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 1: your reason is valid and that probably is part of

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01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:21,519
Speaker 1: my reason as well, is that if you picked him

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01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 1: to finish last, how he's gonna end up on first team.

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01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 1: But then the other part of it is Washington State

1357
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:30,759
Speaker 1: doesn't run the football like that. So unless that doesn't

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01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:32,600
Speaker 1: mean that he's not one of the better players in

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01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 1: the league, I just don't think he's gonna have the

1360
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 1: stats to support him being on first team unless he

1361
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 1: catches a hell of a lot of passes. Yeah, yeah,

1362
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 1: so I don't think he'll be on first team. Um yeah.

1363
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 1: And the thing that stuck stuck out to me probably

1364
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 1: the most is that the media picked Oregon to finish

1365
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 1: first by a wide margin in the North Division and

1366
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 1: then in the South Division they picked USC and Utah right,

1367
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 1: but USC by a pretty wide margin as well. And

1368
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 1: when you look on the media teams, on first team

1369
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 1: they have Keaton Slovia's and Drake London, which which makes

1370
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 1: sense right and kind of correlates to them having being

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01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 1: picked to finish first in the South. And then on

1372
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:35,639
Speaker 1: second team, USC's got nobody. And then if you look

1373
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 1: on first and second team, they have one offensive lineman

1374
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 1: from Oregon, Alex forsythe on first team, and Johnny Johnson

1375
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 1: on second team the wide receiver, and uh C J

1376
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 1: Verdell the running back on second team. Now do you

1377
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 1: think that that correlates with a team that is picked

1378
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 1: to run away with the North Division? No, of course not,

1379
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 1: of course not so that and and that typically happens

1380
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 1: to to Oregon. They don't get the love on on

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01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 1: some of these teams like other like other teams do,

1382
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 1: because there is but that's usually the voting done by

1383
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 1: the coaches. And then on first team defense they have

1384
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 1: Cavan Thibodeaux, uh Mike Tayfua from Utah, Thomas Booker from Stanford,

1385
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 1: defensive lineman um Jermaine Lolay from Arizona State, Devin Lloyd

1386
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 1: at linebacker from Utah, Drake Jackson at linebacker from Utah,

1387
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: uh Nate Landman from Colorado linebacker dB red defensive back.

1388
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 1: They have mckel right from Oregon, Trent McDuffie from Washington,

1389
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 1: Chase Lucas from Arizona State, Chris Still from USC, and

1390
01:22:56,920 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 1: then on second team they have Tyler Johnson from Arizona State,

1391
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 1: Nick Figueroa and uh two Ley to how do I say?

1392
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 1: Says TWEEO tweet polo to yeah okay from from USC.

1393
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 1: Both of those guys from USC at yeah tweet to

1394
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 1: A polo to UM, Terrence Lane from Colorado from D

1395
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 1: line and the linebackers Noah Seul from Oregon, um Oh

1396
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:38,719
Speaker 1: God uh La Fushio from Washington at linebacker, Avery Roberts

1397
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:42,639
Speaker 1: from Oregon State and then at dB Isaiah Polo Mao

1398
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 1: from USC, McKay black Men from Colorado, Evan Fields from

1399
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 1: Arizona State, and Veron McKinley from Oregon. Do you like

1400
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:55,559
Speaker 1: the teams on defense? I only have one major issue

1401
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 1: with first team defense, and I'm sure you could guess it,

1402
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:04,719
Speaker 1: Uh Chris Steel, Yeah, Well, I'm just very curious. It'll

1403
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 1: be magnet, right, I'm I really want to know what

1404
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:11,600
Speaker 1: they're basing that on, because if it's pedigree, then like, yeah,

1405
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 1: that's fine, unless it's in a year where there's so

1406
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 1: many good defensive backs in the Pact twelve. I mean you,

1407
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 1: if we're going based off of pedigree and performance, you

1408
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 1: could have had Jack Jones on here. So I I

1409
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:30,639
Speaker 1: definitely do not like, um, the Chris Steele first team

1410
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 1: pick because I don't know what it's based on other

1411
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 1: than the fact that he was incredible and super physically

1412
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 1: gifted at the high school level. But I don't think

1413
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 1: he's really shown it yet to be deserving of that.

1414
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 1: I would slide Isaiah pol arm Out over on the

1415
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 1: first team and then genuinely debate whether Chris Steele was

1416
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,839
Speaker 1: even on second team. Um, he probably should be honorable

1417
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 1: mention at this point, I would even go so far

1418
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:56,799
Speaker 1: as to throw a dark horse vote in for Christian

1419
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 1: Roland Wallace of University of Arizona, because I think that

1420
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,599
Speaker 1: he's super physically gifted and if he gets a decent

1421
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 1: year of coaching, he might actually do some decent things

1422
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 1: for for for the wildcast. But the Chris Steel thing.

1423
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 1: I just I don't get it quite yet. Yeah I would, Yeah,

1424
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 1: I totally do. I think that it's a lot of

1425
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 1: hype based upon his five star pedigree, right, And if

1426
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna give a hype nomination, then you probably there

1427
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 1: should be an Oregon linebacker uh in the mix here too?

1428
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 1: That was that was left off in justin flow. Yeah,

1429
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:38,360
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. Now, now that's a fact. Um. And then

1430
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 1: for the specialists, and I'm bringing up the specialists for

1431
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 1: a particular reason. We're only gonna pay attention to the

1432
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:48,839
Speaker 1: first team because they have for a place kicker Jayden

1433
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:54,360
Speaker 1: Reading from Utah, for punter Michael Turk at Arizona State,

1434
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 1: all purpose Thomas Booker from Stanford, and return specialists Brenton

1435
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 1: written Covey from Utah. Ralph, do you do you have

1436
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:05,639
Speaker 1: a problem with did you see anything weird? Would would

1437
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 1: would what happened with the first team specialists? Yeah? Definitely. Um,

1438
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:15,600
Speaker 1: Michael Turk is probably not going to be in the

1439
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:19,679
Speaker 1: pack twelve this year, as he just announced um that

1440
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 1: he is transferring from Arizona State after they told him

1441
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:27,720
Speaker 1: that unvaccinated players will not travel with the team, So

1442
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 1: he'd only be able to punt at home games. And

1443
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:32,720
Speaker 1: if you remember, Michael Turk is really interesting in that

1444
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 1: he I don't think he played high school football. He

1445
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 1: kind of came to a s u um without having

1446
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 1: any punting experience and quickly became one of the best

1447
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:45,839
Speaker 1: in the nation. Declared for the draft, put up reps

1448
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 1: on the bench press, didn't get drafted, came back to

1449
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 1: college for not one but two years after the NFL

1450
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 1: granted him a special waiver um to to re enter

1451
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 1: college after going to the NFL Combine, and then gotten

1452
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 1: a little bit of trouble for this season started because

1453
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 1: when Sarah Fuller got in and played kicker for Vanderbilt

1454
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:10,639
Speaker 1: and everybody was celebrating that. He commented on an ESPN

1455
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 1: article saying, if I have, if I identify as a

1456
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 1: girl before the next game, while I'd be the first

1457
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 1: women to uh play impact well football history, I don't

1458
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:22,480
Speaker 1: think so. But given how we're taught in school nowadays

1459
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 1: and how our society to use gender, I'm curious to

1460
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:31,839
Speaker 1: hear thoughts. So he's always been outspoken and done some unnecessary,

1461
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 1: uh political grand standing for what his actual role would

1462
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 1: be within college football. But this is his personal belief

1463
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:44,360
Speaker 1: and and if he doesn't want to get vaccinated, then

1464
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 1: it makes sense to me that he would uh go

1465
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 1: ahead and and and move on. I mean, that's that,

1466
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:54,639
Speaker 1: that's that's that. I don't I don't fault him for

1467
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 1: holding the beliefs that he holds and being so convicted

1468
01:27:57,160 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 1: that he'd be willing to leave his team right before

1469
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:02,720
Speaker 1: the season starts. And I don't fall Arizona for uh,

1470
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:05,839
Speaker 1: the state of Arizona and Arizona State University in general

1471
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 1: for saying, hey, we we have guidelines internally that we

1472
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 1: want to stick to. Yep, what I totally agree with that.

1473
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:18,560
Speaker 1: Um see, I wonder how many schools are going to

1474
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 1: be in that position, because this isn't the first time

1475
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 1: that a kid has left. I forget what what what

1476
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:29,479
Speaker 1: what school? It was that every single a kid on

1477
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,680
Speaker 1: the team have been vaccinated except for one, and then

1478
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 1: the coach told him, like he yo, that's that's not

1479
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 1: how we're going to operate as a team. I will

1480
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 1: help you find a new school that will accommodate your

1481
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 1: requests and you and how you feel that you believe

1482
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:49,639
Speaker 1: that things should be done. So do you think that

1483
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 1: that's right for schools to handle it like that. Um,

1484
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 1: it's not really up to me, but it's it's certainly

1485
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 1: how some people are gonna choose to handle things. Is

1486
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 1: UM is to put the pressure of the of of

1487
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,799
Speaker 1: the group on them. If somebody is not really committed

1488
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 1: to this stance one way or the other, then you

1489
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 1: need to at least know where their head is at.

1490
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 1: What are you waiting for? If you're waiting you you

1491
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 1: need to get to the bottom of what their reasoning

1492
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 1: is for making one decision or another. If there's a

1493
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 1: possibility of them getting vaccinated based on something that you

1494
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:27,200
Speaker 1: do or say as a program, then you're gonna want

1495
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 1: to know because if you can have an influence and

1496
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 1: it would be easier for you, you're probably gonna make

1497
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 1: whatever that move is. But if you test the fence

1498
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,639
Speaker 1: and you find out that it's electric, then you've got

1499
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 1: yourself a situation like a s U has with with

1500
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 1: their punter, who is arguably the best in the country. UM,

1501
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 1: and and you end up having to depend on They

1502
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:49,559
Speaker 1: got a freshman from Charlotte, and they have last year's

1503
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 1: punter from Florida State on the roster who actually got

1504
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:57,880
Speaker 1: some games in. But I believe they're expecting him to kick. So, uh,

1505
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 1: it's it's definitely gonna be interested. I'm really interested to

1506
01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 1: hear what Mr right for the brand. Um Pat McAfee

1507
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 1: has to say about punters making the news in this way, right, yeah,

1508
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 1: because he's he's like, uh, that ain't quite for the

1509
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 1: for the brand. Player, not quite good for the brand

1510
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:25,559
Speaker 1: unless your brand is not playing football right now. And

1511
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 1: there are a lot of teams though, and this has

1512
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 1: come up in my son's high school team because if

1513
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 1: you have a COVID exposure and you are unvaccinated, because

1514
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:40,240
Speaker 1: mind you, I did not want to vaccinate my kids.

1515
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 1: My oldest twenty one is vaccinated. That was the only

1516
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 1: way she was stepping foot back on l m US campus.

1517
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:48,840
Speaker 1: So as she wanted to do it, and she's a

1518
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 1: grown up, she's twenty one, so she decided to go

1519
01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 1: go do it. But for the younger kids, I was like, nah, fam,

1520
01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:57,639
Speaker 1: I mean even though I only have one that's eligible,

1521
01:30:57,640 --> 01:31:01,720
Speaker 1: who's fifteen, Um, he'll be sick team in February. And

1522
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:05,559
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do it. But if he gets

1523
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 1: he's coming up on his football season as his main sport.

1524
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:13,000
Speaker 1: If he doesn't get vaccinated and he has a close contact.

1525
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 1: He's out ten days, which could mean he could miss

1526
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:20,560
Speaker 1: two games. He's a recruitable athlete. I don't feel like

1527
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:23,080
Speaker 1: I have any choice right now, Ralph, but to get

1528
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:27,559
Speaker 1: him vaccinated. He plays quarterback. Like that, what else am

1529
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:31,760
Speaker 1: I supposed to do? Right that? That's that's quite a

1530
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 1: predicament to be in as a parent. But like like

1531
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:38,560
Speaker 1: I said, if you're in that position where your reasoning

1532
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:44,200
Speaker 1: isn't so much fully principal based and it's more patients

1533
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 1: based than the systems that surround you, are going to

1534
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 1: try to find out if there's a way to motivate

1535
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 1: that out of you. That's the environment that we're in

1536
01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 1: right now, and that's that's the environment that probably precedes

1537
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:02,120
Speaker 1: necessity and man dates and and not having as much

1538
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:05,360
Speaker 1: of a choice um as we as we have right now.

1539
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 1: And I think that that's one of the things that

1540
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,160
Speaker 1: for for people who don't want to get vaccinated and

1541
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 1: don't want to see the government make decisions about their

1542
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:17,880
Speaker 1: health care for them, are afraid of and ironically are

1543
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 1: helping bring on by letting that stand in the way

1544
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 1: of them getting a vaccine. That's probably not gonna be

1545
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 1: as harmful to them as the virus would. And so

1546
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 1: it's just this is a really complicated, confusing time we're

1547
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:33,879
Speaker 1: living in, and it's forcing everybody to make weird decisions.

1548
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:36,240
Speaker 1: You know. I have my wife brought up the fact

1549
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 1: that two of my kids are vaccinated. I have a

1550
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 1: kid that turned thirteen yesterday and a kid that that

1551
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 1: that turned twelve last month. They're both vaccinated. If the

1552
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:50,200
Speaker 1: vaccine becomes available for um kids younger than that, then

1553
01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 1: we know for a fact we'll get our eight year

1554
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:54,080
Speaker 1: old vaccinated. But when it comes to our five year old,

1555
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:59,200
Speaker 1: who we have been sort of in a quasi medical

1556
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 1: quarantine with for the last five years based on her health,

1557
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:06,080
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know that that would require another

1558
01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:10,920
Speaker 1: round of doctor consultations and serious conversations and stuff like that.

1559
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 1: I I do believe that your health care should be

1560
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 1: your decision, but we're in a pandemic, and so you

1561
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 1: need to get through the process of making that decision right.

1562
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:23,200
Speaker 1: You've got to be in contact with doctors. You've got

1563
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:26,320
Speaker 1: to understand your medical history. You you've got to be

1564
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 1: as fourth right as possibly. You've got to be as

1565
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 1: proactive in getting as much information as you possibly can

1566
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:34,559
Speaker 1: because you can sit back and wait. But if you

1567
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:36,680
Speaker 1: sit back and wait, then some of these decisions might

1568
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:40,400
Speaker 1: end up getting made for you. Um, including and not

1569
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:44,200
Speaker 1: limited to actually contracting the virus um and having it

1570
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 1: potentially do damage. And so uh, these are really complicated times.

1571
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 1: These are really complicated questions. And for people who just

1572
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:52,680
Speaker 1: act like it's a simple yes or a simple no,

1573
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of questions for you. Yeah, because

1574
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:02,960
Speaker 1: it's it's not because people do like you have medical

1575
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:09,000
Speaker 1: conditions to consider and yeah, it's it's just it's just

1576
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 1: not but here, but this is where we are right now. Um.

1577
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 1: The next thing up, we have had um multiple arrests

1578
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:25,280
Speaker 1: over the last couple of weeks that have really been

1579
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:29,439
Speaker 1: of notable players in the back twelve. First thing is

1580
01:34:29,479 --> 01:34:34,400
Speaker 1: Brew McCoy over at usc UH. He's been removed from

1581
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:41,639
Speaker 1: all team activities. He was arrested on a domestic violence

1582
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 1: charge and a bunch of other stuff going on as well.

1583
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 1: So his next court date isn't until November, I believe so,

1584
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:56,320
Speaker 1: or or the or the end of October. Um, it

1585
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:58,559
Speaker 1: doesn't look like he's gonna be playing this season, right

1586
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:04,240
Speaker 1: I would I would venture to guess no, because he

1587
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 1: was arrested for intimate partner violence, which is with like

1588
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 1: intent to injure. And so the charges that are being

1589
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:17,799
Speaker 1: pursued or at least sorted out right now, are serious

1590
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:24,840
Speaker 1: enough happened where I mean, at the at worst, jail

1591
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 1: time could occur and at a at a bare minimum,

1592
01:35:27,439 --> 01:35:31,680
Speaker 1: this is going to require, um, some level of of

1593
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:36,720
Speaker 1: counseling or mediation. Uh yeah. That so that and and

1594
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 1: that's big because if you remember, Brue McCoy couldn't decide

1595
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:44,480
Speaker 1: between USC and Texas. I think went to USC, transferred

1596
01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 1: to Texas, and immediately transferred back. I think he missed

1597
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 1: time with an illness that was never specified. Uh, and

1598
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:53,439
Speaker 1: then finally started to get some run last year in

1599
01:35:53,479 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 1: the in the COVID shortened season. Um, but you know,

1600
01:35:56,360 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 1: he's a five star caliber player and was expected to

1601
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:03,920
Speaker 1: make a real, the really big impact. And um, yeah,

1602
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:07,240
Speaker 1: I mean this is a this is definitely a situation

1603
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:11,000
Speaker 1: where even if charges are dropped or the whole situation

1604
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:14,000
Speaker 1: was misinterpreted, or it was like a Richard Sherman Sherman

1605
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 1: situation where everyone just assumed that because he was arrested

1606
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:22,160
Speaker 1: that he hit somebody, you know, Um, unless unless there's

1607
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 1: some type of explanation, um that that comes out. I

1608
01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:27,360
Speaker 1: would not count on him being on the field all

1609
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:33,160
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, and that goes for I mean we're

1610
01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:36,920
Speaker 1: talking about Chad and this is bad for USC because

1611
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:39,960
Speaker 1: they've had a bunch of this. Chad Wheeler who got

1612
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:44,360
Speaker 1: arrested with the c Seahawks, he's a USC guy. Uh

1613
01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:49,679
Speaker 1: you you you had Owsome Massina who was a USC

1614
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 1: player got sentenced to one year in jail and Utah

1615
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:57,959
Speaker 1: the tight end who um uh he was number thirteen.

1616
01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:01,639
Speaker 1: He was there for a little bit. He went to jail.

1617
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:06,200
Speaker 1: Like there's there's been a They've had a bunch of

1618
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 1: this kind of going on, and I know that it's

1619
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:13,719
Speaker 1: probably not indicative of the university necessarily and some kids

1620
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:20,040
Speaker 1: making some bad choices. But this is not necessarily the

1621
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 1: the best look right now, right right it's it's it's

1622
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:28,679
Speaker 1: not good, um. But at the same time, I don't

1623
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 1: know if it necessarily is above and beyond what other programs,

1624
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:35,519
Speaker 1: what other conferences face. I know that there's a lot

1625
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:37,880
Speaker 1: of kids that come out of California that they got

1626
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:39,840
Speaker 1: to get out of the lifestyle that they're in immediately

1627
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:42,479
Speaker 1: or or it could wrap them up. You know, the

1628
01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:44,639
Speaker 1: jail and hall thing of him going out to University

1629
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:47,479
Speaker 1: of Oregon and then getting arrested for home invasions and

1630
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:49,680
Speaker 1: stuff like that. You know, he never got away from

1631
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:52,519
Speaker 1: the life that he was living, so he was doing

1632
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:56,599
Speaker 1: home invasions when when he was in high school though

1633
01:37:56,920 --> 01:38:02,519
Speaker 1: he lived all by himself. At his last year at

1634
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:05,960
Speaker 1: Long Beach Polly. This is coming from somebody who was

1635
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 1: on Long Beach Polly staff. They were like, he was

1636
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:11,920
Speaker 1: going to Paramount and these other cities thinking that they

1637
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:14,840
Speaker 1: weren't gonna notice a six ft five green eye dude,

1638
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:17,800
Speaker 1: uh and and be be able to point him point

1639
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:23,240
Speaker 1: him out eventually, and he went to school at Oregon

1640
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:26,719
Speaker 1: four bit and you know, he figured he was taking

1641
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:29,479
Speaker 1: a pay cut by actually going going to school and

1642
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 1: then went right back to the lifestyle right right, and

1643
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:36,960
Speaker 1: and you know that I think that a lot of

1644
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:39,960
Speaker 1: it just has to do with if you if you

1645
01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:42,400
Speaker 1: leaving people behind to go off to college, you got

1646
01:38:42,479 --> 01:38:45,640
Speaker 1: to leave him all the way behind, you know, or

1647
01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:48,720
Speaker 1: you can always make new friends and have them be

1648
01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:52,599
Speaker 1: knuckleheads like we just had with the two defensive backs

1649
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:55,760
Speaker 1: from University of Oregon who were out joy riding and

1650
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:58,840
Speaker 1: shooting at people with air soft guns. Yep, and that's

1651
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:07,120
Speaker 1: d J. James and um and Jamal Hill. Like you're

1652
01:39:07,120 --> 01:39:10,400
Speaker 1: you're talking about two starters, your corner and your nickel

1653
01:39:11,479 --> 01:39:17,439
Speaker 1: and they could be facing suspensions. Um. I've I've talked

1654
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:19,639
Speaker 1: to some people. They were like, it might turn out

1655
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:21,839
Speaker 1: to be not as big a deal as it sounds.

1656
01:39:22,160 --> 01:39:26,320
Speaker 1: But even if that, like, that's the game before the

1657
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:30,520
Speaker 1: biggest game of your entire season, and if they're suspended,

1658
01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:34,479
Speaker 1: you want them, like that's a confidence booster game for

1659
01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:36,960
Speaker 1: you to get ready for Ohio State when you're out

1660
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:40,360
Speaker 1: for Fresno State. So, I mean, I don't know if

1661
01:39:40,400 --> 01:39:43,160
Speaker 1: they will be suspended, how long they will be suspended,

1662
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:49,960
Speaker 1: but whatever it is, this was a terrible, terrible decision. Yeah. Yeah,

1663
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:53,080
Speaker 1: And that's you know, it could have been boredom, it

1664
01:39:53,080 --> 01:39:56,000
Speaker 1: could have been malice. We don't know, unless the players

1665
01:39:56,040 --> 01:39:57,840
Speaker 1: are kind of allowed to speak for themselves. Will be

1666
01:39:57,880 --> 01:40:00,920
Speaker 1: interesting to see how Mario christ Well handles that, because

1667
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 1: obviously they were counting on them to get some meaningful

1668
01:40:04,200 --> 01:40:08,120
Speaker 1: reps in Ohio State. TikTok TikTok is is coming up.

1669
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:17,040
Speaker 1: That that's that's an understatement buddy, that is an absolute understatement. UM.

1670
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:20,839
Speaker 1: So if you were a coach, how would you handle

1671
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:27,080
Speaker 1: these things? I do not believe in kicking anybody off

1672
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:30,679
Speaker 1: the team. UM. I if I was a head coach,

1673
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:34,639
Speaker 1: I would have a program set up that is not

1674
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:38,559
Speaker 1: completely cut off from athletics, but is athletics adjacent and

1675
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:43,960
Speaker 1: is essentially a counseling and rehab and focus type UM

1676
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:49,719
Speaker 1: of protocol that student athletes go into based on whether

1677
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:54,200
Speaker 1: or not they violate team rules and or the law

1678
01:40:54,920 --> 01:40:58,640
Speaker 1: and or just like let's say that they throw their

1679
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:01,200
Speaker 1: helmet down, walk out one day, come back three days later,

1680
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:03,439
Speaker 1: still want to be on the team, then they get

1681
01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:05,639
Speaker 1: put into some version of that protocol. I just believe

1682
01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:08,719
Speaker 1: in having something on campus that gives you the ability

1683
01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:12,080
Speaker 1: to work through issues with that student, so long as

1684
01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:16,600
Speaker 1: it does not involve the bodily harm or non respecting

1685
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:21,200
Speaker 1: of someone's bodily autonomy. UM. In which case then that

1686
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:24,160
Speaker 1: needs to go into the legal system and you have

1687
01:41:24,200 --> 01:41:27,680
Speaker 1: to let them take that from from there. UM. But

1688
01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:30,480
Speaker 1: if you know, if it comes out that that the

1689
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:36,960
Speaker 1: Eugene police don't want to um pursue these super serious

1690
01:41:37,080 --> 01:41:41,280
Speaker 1: charges that they have against these two defensive backs and

1691
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:44,080
Speaker 1: and they wanna have them plead out on a misdemeanor

1692
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:46,639
Speaker 1: or something like that. Then that's something that I think

1693
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 1: is Mario Crystal bal you'd want to have something in

1694
01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:51,680
Speaker 1: place to say, all right, you're still you're you're associated

1695
01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:54,400
Speaker 1: with the team, but there's this built in system in

1696
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:56,400
Speaker 1: which you have to earn your way back. But there

1697
01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:59,559
Speaker 1: has to be some sort of consequence associated with it.

1698
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:03,120
Speaker 1: Because as they went out and shot someone in the

1699
01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:07,360
Speaker 1: face with a pellet gun. Yeah, remember though, when Nick

1700
01:42:07,439 --> 01:42:10,920
Speaker 1: Saban when he came out and was talking about kids

1701
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:14,120
Speaker 1: getting in trouble and that they deserve, you know, a

1702
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:17,840
Speaker 1: second chance and not giving up on them and all

1703
01:42:17,880 --> 01:42:21,280
Speaker 1: of that. That's where I think that having a plan

1704
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:23,559
Speaker 1: in place, because kids are going to get in trouble,

1705
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:27,679
Speaker 1: there's no way around it. They're they're young, they are

1706
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:32,519
Speaker 1: they think they're invincible. They make bad choices, and man,

1707
01:42:32,600 --> 01:42:36,800
Speaker 1: a lot of times are bad choices are surrounded by

1708
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:42,400
Speaker 1: hey hey, watch this like that. That's how men getting

1709
01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:45,639
Speaker 1: get in trouble. Hey watch this, Watch me jump off

1710
01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:49,160
Speaker 1: this roof, watch me do a flip. Hey hey, watch

1711
01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:51,880
Speaker 1: me be super cool and punch this dude in the face.

1712
01:42:52,280 --> 01:42:56,040
Speaker 1: What watch how watch this, Watch us scare him with

1713
01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:58,400
Speaker 1: this with this pellet gun, and we're gonna fake rob

1714
01:42:58,520 --> 01:43:04,360
Speaker 1: everybody in the dorms. Yeah, I mean, I've I've I've

1715
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:07,479
Speaker 1: had it said to me that you know, you know,

1716
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:10,800
Speaker 1: whether or not somebody's father gave them attention based on

1717
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:13,799
Speaker 1: the level of attention they try to seek from others,

1718
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:18,200
Speaker 1: right and uh. But then sometimes there's the opposite of that.

1719
01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:20,519
Speaker 1: Sometimes you got a dad at home and a mom

1720
01:43:20,520 --> 01:43:22,679
Speaker 1: at home that give you plenty of attention, and then

1721
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:24,360
Speaker 1: you miss it, you crave it, and you go look

1722
01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:27,559
Speaker 1: for it in the wrong place. So it I think

1723
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:29,720
Speaker 1: people just want to be seen, they just want to

1724
01:43:29,720 --> 01:43:32,720
Speaker 1: be part of something, and you can have things get

1725
01:43:32,760 --> 01:43:34,800
Speaker 1: out of hand. There's also the other side of it.

1726
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:38,640
Speaker 1: Some people are assholes out to cause misery, and you

1727
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:41,000
Speaker 1: would just hope that they're not the ladder, and if

1728
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:42,840
Speaker 1: they are, that this is a wake up call to

1729
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:46,240
Speaker 1: get their lives back together, you know. But then you

1730
01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:48,599
Speaker 1: turn around when it comes to brew McCoy, your thought

1731
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:54,519
Speaker 1: always has to be with the alleged um victim before

1732
01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:58,519
Speaker 1: you even get to talk about whether or not you're gonna,

1733
01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:02,559
Speaker 1: you know, think about what's going on with uh with

1734
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:08,479
Speaker 1: the person that's being accused of something. Yeah, um, that

1735
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:14,439
Speaker 1: makes sense. Before we finish out the show though, for

1736
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:20,559
Speaker 1: anybody who missed the Rice Stir or Wrong episode not

1737
01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:22,880
Speaker 1: too long ago, we we put it on Twitter, will

1738
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:26,559
Speaker 1: actually put it out on UM on the pack twelve

1739
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:32,920
Speaker 1: apostles Twitter as as well. UM Ralph, would you would

1740
01:44:32,920 --> 01:44:36,920
Speaker 1: you like to tell people about the grilled cheese discussion?

1741
01:44:37,200 --> 01:44:41,960
Speaker 1: Because yesterday, and granted we've been on this podcast for

1742
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:47,640
Speaker 1: a long time and I've detailed the horrors that is

1743
01:44:48,520 --> 01:44:52,000
Speaker 1: Reese's peanut butter cups, and I saw somebody had a

1744
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:56,080
Speaker 1: Reese's cake the other day and I almost threw up

1745
01:44:56,120 --> 01:44:59,400
Speaker 1: in my in my mouth and then there and we

1746
01:44:59,479 --> 01:45:03,960
Speaker 1: added grilled cheese and tomato soup to the list because

1747
01:45:04,040 --> 01:45:06,960
Speaker 1: grilled cheese belongs better with chili than it does with

1748
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:11,680
Speaker 1: tomato soup. You need to democratize that. I expect to

1749
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:15,120
Speaker 1: see that in a Twitter poll, um, and one that's

1750
01:45:15,160 --> 01:45:19,519
Speaker 1: not like built to specifically influence one person in one

1751
01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:23,680
Speaker 1: direction or another. I grew up eating grilled cheese sandwiches

1752
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:27,759
Speaker 1: with tomato based soup. You obviously grew up eating grilled

1753
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:32,200
Speaker 1: cheese with chili, which is technically a tomato based the soup.

1754
01:45:34,479 --> 01:45:38,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it really depends, but yeah, it's definitely different.

1755
01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:41,880
Speaker 1: It's definitely different than a biskue some stag with some meat,

1756
01:45:41,960 --> 01:45:46,240
Speaker 1: and it is definitely different than a than a bisk um.

1757
01:45:46,360 --> 01:45:49,320
Speaker 1: I would say that we were raised different and I

1758
01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:57,320
Speaker 1: can accept that. But also objectively speaking, you're incorrect and

1759
01:45:57,880 --> 01:46:02,400
Speaker 1: grilled cheese belongs with a tomato a soup, not chili.

1760
01:46:02,760 --> 01:46:04,799
Speaker 1: I'm sure you can eat it with chili and that's fine,

1761
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:09,920
Speaker 1: but it belongs it belongs with a tomato basis well,

1762
01:46:09,960 --> 01:46:16,880
Speaker 1: tomato soup itself, tomato biscue. Tomato soup is probably the

1763
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:21,880
Speaker 1: most overrated soup that you could possibly have. Well, you

1764
01:46:21,880 --> 01:46:23,720
Speaker 1: can't eat you can't eat it by itself. That's why

1765
01:46:23,720 --> 01:46:26,760
Speaker 1: you need the grilled cheese. Well, I mean, I'm just

1766
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:32,840
Speaker 1: saying like it's overrated. Like a grilled cheese, yes it is.

1767
01:46:33,240 --> 01:46:37,080
Speaker 1: It goes better with like a nice cheddar and and

1768
01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:43,760
Speaker 1: sometimes I even cheese crust the outside of my bread too. Okay, Yeah,

1769
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:46,000
Speaker 1: but I know I will give you, I will absolutely

1770
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:49,400
Speaker 1: give you that the most overrated food in the history

1771
01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:53,720
Speaker 1: of the world is tomato soup. Thank you, But but

1772
01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:56,960
Speaker 1: it has its purpose and you're gonna take away its

1773
01:46:57,000 --> 01:47:00,439
Speaker 1: only purpose. I can't let you do that. Well, you

1774
01:47:00,479 --> 01:47:03,320
Speaker 1: guys can weigh in on this and everything else. You guys,

1775
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:05,920
Speaker 1: this is the PAC twelve Apostles football season is here.

1776
01:47:05,960 --> 01:47:09,599
Speaker 1: We're back a week, not every week. A week. Make

1777
01:47:09,640 --> 01:47:11,600
Speaker 1: sure that you leave a five star rating wherever you

1778
01:47:11,720 --> 01:47:15,160
Speaker 1: listen to podcasts. Tell a friend about the show, share it,

1779
01:47:15,240 --> 01:47:19,519
Speaker 1: and everything else. Peace out, Catch you guys next week.