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Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, Haul, Calvisy joins me,

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Speaker 1: we get his front row view of what happened on

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two, Episode six point eighty, and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Hood to Baker, What Heart?

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Speaker 3: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again,

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Speaker 3: So more Harry Magic.

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Speaker 2: WHOA, here's Craig Griolud.

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Speaker 1: So can we begin with some good news on this Monday?

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Speaker 1: How about sixty seven degrees driving into work this morning?

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Speaker 1: And Paul, you may not have brought home a win,

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Speaker 3: in the NorCal over there. In fact, I was talking

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Speaker 3: words because coming off the Dallas win, I may or

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Speaker 3: and beat down your Silicon Valley candy asses, And yeah,

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Speaker 3: smelling themselves. So, okay, all right, you got a pretty

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Speaker 3: a game, though, and the Niners knew they were in

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Speaker 3: a game. Bill Parcell's Hall of Fame head coach, said

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Speaker 3: here on this Monday, Paul, the Cardinals are one in

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Speaker 3: three after losing at the forty nine Ers thirty five sixteen.

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Speaker 3: Yet I'm encouraged. In fact, I'm very I'm very encouraged

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Speaker 1: They were competitive. It's just to your point, talent won

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Speaker 3: and give these backhanded platitudes because Cardinals, I'm telling you

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Speaker 1: Well, the second touchdown was a beautiful throw by Dobbs.

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Speaker 1: Started the conversation with what we began talking about this

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Speaker 3: What started it? Clip down twenty one to three. First,

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Speaker 4: Constantly pressing that point to us in practice, to us

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Speaker 3: Tell me about the situation. It was first and ten

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Speaker 4: And that's what game comes down to, game of inches.

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Speaker 3: No, absolutely you did. Thank you, Michael, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: It was more than decent the performance that Michael Wilson

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Speaker 3: What does every rookie have to do. They have to

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Speaker 3: The seven catches on seven targets right seventy six yards,

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Speaker 3: four goes to one Michael Wilson. How about that? And

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Speaker 1: Let's hope he has more of those feelings on Sunday mornings, because,

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Speaker 1: This season, he's been targeted sixteen times, fourteen catches, two

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Speaker 1: are messing with those linebackers all the time. So kudos

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Speaker 1: to him the year he earned the start, and he

435
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Speaker 1: earned the start against that opponent. And look, he's been

436
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Speaker 1: going against Kyle Shanner at least preparing for Kyle Shannan

437
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Speaker 1: for six years now. His first season was twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: The Steve Wilkes here think about that. He's been around

439
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Speaker 1: a long time. And as part of the interview, I

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Speaker 1: asked him, Okay, you've been around and had enough coaches

441
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Speaker 1: to know and he sort of finished the sentence for me.

442
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Jonathan Gannon has this going in the right direction.

443
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Speaker 1: That there is the right sort.

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Speaker 3: Of attitude and mindset in five in this locker room,

445
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Speaker 3: and Zeke Turner was evidence of that. So I don't

446
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Speaker 3: know how much of it had to do with Chris

447
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Speaker 3: Barnes and the hand injury, but to your point, Pash

448
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Speaker 3: brought it up when we visited with Passion Wolf, and

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Speaker 3: then sure enough, subsequently during the pregame show, they did

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Speaker 3: the eleven on eleven running through some plays right before

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Speaker 3: they go to the locker room for the final time,

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Speaker 3: and there was Zeke Turners right next to Kaizer White,

453
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Speaker 3: and we presented that on the air as well. And

454
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Speaker 3: so all right, now, all the injuries to the Cardinals defense,

455
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Speaker 3: and it's the Cardinals defense is far from the most

456
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Speaker 3: talented to begin with, so it's right now the struggle

457
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Speaker 3: is real in terms of trying to get healthy bodies

458
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Speaker 3: out there on defense and get a rotation that can

459
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Speaker 3: get to the quarterback that can be sound in so

460
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Speaker 3: many ways. And to me, look, there's the fight was great,

461
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Speaker 3: but at some point the talent won out Niners in

462
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Speaker 3: that victory against the Cardinals, especially on defense.

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Speaker 1: All the talent, specifically Brock Party, Christian McCaffrey, Brandon Ayuk.

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Speaker 1: By the way, between McCaffrey and Ayuk, they combined for

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Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty five of the three hundred and

466
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Speaker 1: ninety five total yards of offense by the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so let's stop right there. This is the one

468
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Speaker 3: Monday morning quarterback, all right, This is where Pauly Pencilneck

469
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Speaker 3: might be over his skis. But as Brandon Ayuk was

470
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Speaker 3: wrecked that game at different times, and he did right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, he had a heck of a game where Ayuk,

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Speaker 3: I mean he had catches of sixteen, eleven, forty two,

473
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Speaker 3: twenty five, thirty four and twenty Deebo Samuel didn't look

474
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Speaker 3: to be Deebo Samuel, and then George Kittle had the

475
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Speaker 3: one catch and it was a critical catch was fourth

476
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Speaker 3: and four and that was a big play. But you

477
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Speaker 3: silenced Deebo Samuel and George Kittle. Did you do it

478
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Speaker 3: at the expense of Brandon Ayuk? And should that? Could

479
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Speaker 3: that have been an in game adjustment where maybe you

480
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Speaker 3: took some of the defensive attention. Perhaps you committed to

481
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Speaker 3: Deebo Samuel and put it on Brandon Ayuk because he

482
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Speaker 3: was a problem the entire game.

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Speaker 1: Look, McCaffrey's difficult to stop. Even though as we talked

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Speaker 1: on Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai, pro partner of

485
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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals on Friday, and then I mentioned to

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Speaker 1: you pregame on Sunday the Cardinals a year ago, three

487
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Speaker 1: meetings against McCaffrey, one with the Panthers, two with the

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Speaker 1: forty nine ers. They had held McCaffrey in check. Yes,

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Speaker 1: under fifty rushing yards, but different defensive staff, different defensive players,

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Speaker 1: and McCaffrey with a full offseason with the forty nine ers,

491
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Speaker 1: he fits that offense so well. So yes, McCaffrey was

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Speaker 1: a handful both rushing the football, catching the football very difficult.

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Speaker 1: But to your point, Okay, let McCaffrey do what he does.

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Speaker 1: You have a banged up Deebo Samuel Kittle just the

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Speaker 1: one catch. What could you have done differently against Ayuk?

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Speaker 1: And it was a struggle at times for Marco Wilson.

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Speaker 1: We've said that a number of times this season, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much we saw off keytro Clark

499
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Speaker 1: on Ayuk, but maybe a little extra help. But that

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Speaker 1: could be a defensive staff thing where you're out there

501
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Speaker 1: on an island and we're gonna trust you to do

502
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Speaker 1: your job. If you're not well, we're gonna find someone else.

503
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Speaker 1: So that the Marco Wilson situation in the quarterback position overall,

504
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Speaker 1: because Antonio Hamilton still can't find any defensive snaps on

505
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Speaker 1: the field, so they basically have two corners right now

506
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Speaker 1: and playing with three safeties minus Budda Baker.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if the Cardinals in the twenty twenty four draft

508
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Speaker 3: don't go quarterback, then I think their two first round

509
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Speaker 3: picks are d line and cornerback, and I don't think

510
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Speaker 3: anybody would be surprised by that. Right now, what they

511
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 3: really need is that premier, foundational defensive tackle and then

512
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Speaker 3: filling around that. What you really need is CB one,

513
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Speaker 3: a legit Pro Bowl caliber CB one, and then Amarco

514
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Speaker 3: Wilson and Key Treil Clark at this point in their

515
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Speaker 3: young careers would be good cornerback two and cornerback three.

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Speaker 3: I think they're one position ahead of where they probably

517
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Speaker 3: should be in the revolution as NFL players, and they're

518
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Speaker 3: thrust into that out of necessity now. I think there's

519
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Speaker 3: also two things about the Cardinals defense so far, a

520
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Speaker 3: Nick Rolis and Jonathan Gannon that are absolute number one.

521
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Speaker 3: They're going to be near the bottom of the league

522
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Speaker 3: in blitz rate. They just don't believe in it. I

523
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Speaker 3: think the blitz rate was fourteen percent. They couldn't get

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Speaker 3: to brock Purty in and they weren't going to sell

525
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Speaker 3: out to do it. They're just not The week before,

526
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Speaker 3: Wink Martindale had a blitz rate of nearly eighty four

527
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Speaker 3: percent thirty three to thirty nine dropbacks. The Giants defensive

528
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Speaker 3: coordinator brought it against brock perty and they paid forty

529
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Speaker 3: had a couple of touchdown passes on that. So that's

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Speaker 3: the first thing they're not gonna blitz. And then they're also,

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Speaker 3: to your point, gonna put the corners out there on

532
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Speaker 3: an island. They're probably not going to give them a

533
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Speaker 3: lot of help a lot of times. And you saw

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Speaker 3: what happened with Brandon Ayu.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's the fine line with this, because

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Speaker 1: you bring up something that was a major concern of

537
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Speaker 1: mine going into this season was Okay, you can live

538
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Speaker 1: with some experience inexperience on the back end at your

539
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Speaker 1: cornerback position. Marco Wilson not very I mean, he's what

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Speaker 1: this is year three, He's the longest tenured Arizona Cardinals cornerback.

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Speaker 1: He was drafted before Antonio Hamilton was signed that year,

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Speaker 1: so longest tenured and then a sixth round draft pick

543
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Speaker 1: in Key trow Clark. Okay, you can live with that

544
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Speaker 1: more times than not if you have a consistent pass rush,

545
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Speaker 1: and this was not the case on Sunday. The Cardinals

546
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Speaker 1: did not even have a single quarterback hit in the

547
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Speaker 1: first half, let alone a sack of brock Party. So

548
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Speaker 1: if you're going it doesn't matter who the quarterback is,

549
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Speaker 1: it could be Paul, it could be you or I

550
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Speaker 1: I mean if you're if you're not affecting the quarterback,

551
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Speaker 1: they're gonna pick you apart. And that's exactly what we

552
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Speaker 1: saw on Sunday. Brock Party had all kinds of time

553
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Speaker 1: to throw and complete a darn near every single pass

554
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Speaker 1: attempt he had.

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Speaker 3: He set a Niners team record for completion percentage in

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Speaker 3: a single game.

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Speaker 1: And you're talking about Joe Montana, Steve Young. I mean,

558
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Speaker 1: it wasn't even close ninety five point two percent. Steve

559
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Speaker 1: Young was just over ninety percent. So he obliterated that record.

560
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Speaker 3: I mean, Jeff Garcia facts. Okay, we're talking Niners quarterbacks

561
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Speaker 3: over the years. Lee, if you just dropped the Jeff Garcia,

562
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Speaker 3: it's uh man, Niners quarterbacks for five hundred Alex that'll

563
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Speaker 3: make me get into it at this point. Look, I'm

564
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Speaker 3: curious how Nick Rowlis is going to evolve this defense,

565
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Speaker 3: if at all. The Niners to your point, as we

566
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Speaker 3: go full circle, hear on Cardinals cover two are so

567
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 3: proficient and adept at offense. They're unlike any other team

568
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Speaker 3: you will play all year. The fact that brock Purty

569
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Speaker 3: can get and you watch him and you watch his

570
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Speaker 3: ability to process, and it really reminds me of a

571
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Speaker 3: Kurt Warner. He has far from the strongest arm. He's

572
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Speaker 3: not the biggest guy. He's certainly not that athletic. He

573
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Speaker 3: has enough mobility to be, you know, have aes capability.

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Speaker 3: But you watch him one two, three, fourth option boom

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Speaker 3: right on the money, right in stride, in rhythm. He

576
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Speaker 3: knows what he's seeing. He starts processing pre snap just

577
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Speaker 3: by looking at your coverages. So I can see why

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Speaker 3: out of nowhere they got rid of everyone in that

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Speaker 3: quarterback room, Jimmy g Trey Lance, and Brock Purty is

580
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Speaker 3: their guy. So as I texted all my hater buddies

581
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Speaker 3: who were letting me have it after the game, all

582
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Speaker 3: the NorCal guys have said, you're welcome for your quarterback

583
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Speaker 3: coming from Gilbert Arizona. You guys are all welcome. You know,

584
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Speaker 3: you can send us a thank you gift at the

585
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 3: end of the year, because yeah, brock Perty, he's legit

586
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 3: and obviously you know that scheme suits him so well.

587
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Speaker 3: And then the whole Christian McCaffrey effect. I mean, you're

588
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Speaker 3: gonna play the Niners again. Here's a question I put

589
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Speaker 3: to you. It's a genuinely legit question. What do you

590
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: do differently against Christian McCaffrey. What do you do? I

591
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 3: love that that's sort of half motion. They use the

592
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Speaker 3: cheat motion whatever they call it, and they get him

593
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Speaker 3: into a full sprint. That's really effective. You need to

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Speaker 3: have an answer for that. And I'm really gonna date

595
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Speaker 3: myself right now. My one of my first gigs as

596
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 3: a young twenty something was covering the Lions for two

597
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: years at the height of Barry Sanders dominance, and teams

598
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 3: would come in and they what do we do? What

599
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Speaker 3: do you do to stop Barry Sanders? There really was

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Speaker 3: no answer. And it's the one and only time where

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Speaker 3: I've watched a running back even Derrick Henry, because Derek Henry,

602
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 3: you can load at least the box up enough but

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00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: the combination of Christian McCaffrey in that scheme and with

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Speaker 3: the other weapons around him, what do you do to

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Speaker 3: stop the Niners running back?

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Speaker 1: Because you know what they want to do, you know

607
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Speaker 1: what they're going to do. But can you stop it?

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Speaker 1: Because McCaffrey, excuse me, in the open field is a

609
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Speaker 1: difficult tackle. I mean, he is very elusive out there.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, you could have one guy a spy or whatever,

611
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Speaker 1: but is that enough when you have just someone that

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Speaker 1: talented with the football in their hands.

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Speaker 3: Okay, he used the word spy. That was my question

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Speaker 3: Rob Frederickson during the halftime from the sideline, I said,

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Speaker 3: if you had Buddha Baker, Rob Frederickson, former NFL linebacker,

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Speaker 3: could you use Buddha Baker as a spy on Christian McCaffrey. Well,

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Speaker 3: you don't really use a spy necessarily on running backs.

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Speaker 3: It's almost exclusively for quarterbacks running quarterbacks, but that sort

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Speaker 3: of weapon I'd love to know. Could you have him

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Speaker 3: as sort of what Wolf calls a robber, you know,

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Speaker 3: a free guy in the box who just sort of

622
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Speaker 3: follows and has his eyes and goes to the side

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Speaker 3: of the formation where Christian McCaffrey is. So when they

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Speaker 3: play again in December and knock on wood, Buddha Baker's

625
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Speaker 3: fully healthy. I'm really curious to see the before and

626
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Speaker 3: after with Buda out on that field, because look, from

627
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 3: my vantage point, Kavon Walls, nice pickup off Waivers. He's

628
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 3: come in, he's been contributed, but there were a number

629
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Speaker 3: of mistackles out there for the second straight game, and

630
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Speaker 3: that is a position the Cardinals are sorely missing. You

631
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Speaker 3: do not replace a Buddha Baker, and too often they

632
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Speaker 3: paid for it.

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Speaker 1: A healthy Buddha Baker would help. What about a healthy

634
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Speaker 1: Garrett Williams at that cornerback position as we speak here

635
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: on this Monday, October second. Yes, he is eligible to

636
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Speaker 1: come off the NFI list. He is eligible, just like

637
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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is, just like Dennis Dally is, just like

638
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: my Jay Sanders is. When does that happen? I know

639
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: everyone is pointing to Kyler, and what we've heard from

640
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Speaker 1: head coach Jonathan Gannon is that Kyler will be activated

641
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Speaker 1: or be that window will open once he's able to practice. Well,

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Speaker 1: Bird Gang, the Cardinals aren't practicing on Monday. They're not

643
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Speaker 1: practicing on Tuesday the first day of the week to

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00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: practice is on Wednesday. Do we get word Wednesday morning

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Speaker 1: that that window has been opened or is it? More

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Speaker 1: to what ESPN's Adam Schefter reported over the weekend that

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Speaker 1: Kyler is still weeks away, so he's not quite ready

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Speaker 1: to practice yet. Forget about playing. He's going to need

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Speaker 1: at least I think two weeks of practice before you

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Speaker 1: see him.

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Speaker 2: In a game. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Look, I'm sticking with my Kyler projection that I've used

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Speaker 3: since April. Halloween, give or take a week. That's what

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Speaker 3: I've gone with since April. I have no sources, I

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Speaker 3: have no inside knowledge. This is just a guess, just

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Speaker 3: a forecast Halloween give or take a week. We'll see.

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Speaker 3: Odds are I'll be dead wrong, But that's that's sort

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Speaker 3: of what I'm expecting. Now. The Garrett Williams is interesting.

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Speaker 3: All right. I don't know what you and past are doing,

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Speaker 3: But where's the Syracuse MAFI on this, all of your

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Speaker 3: Syracuse insiders. We need some intel on this. Where exactly

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Speaker 3: is Garrett was? I mean, has there been a report

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Speaker 3: of any sort nothing as to how he may or

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Speaker 3: may not be tracking. We have no idea none.

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Speaker 1: It was after his name was drafted. Well, the question

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Speaker 1: was asked, and if I remember correctly, he thought he

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Speaker 1: was going to be cleared from his ACL injury in

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Speaker 1: June or July, and here he is, we're Paul, We're

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Speaker 1: in October, and I mean we see him out there

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Speaker 1: working with Buddy Morris on the side with the training staff.

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Speaker 1: But if he is, that window does open for him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he hasn't played football in darniar a year.

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Speaker 1: So I mean you talk about Russ for him and

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Speaker 1: Kyle Ler Murray, I mean, myj and Dennis Day. They

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Speaker 1: at least we're doing some work this offseason. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: we haven't. I haven't heard anything about Garrett Williams.

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Speaker 3: And it goes to go from zero to regular season

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Speaker 3: zero to one hundred is tough. He hasn't even been

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Speaker 3: out there for any full well obviously he can't come off,

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Speaker 3: but I mean, how close is he being able to

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Speaker 3: even practice and then to go from practice to be

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Speaker 3: able to tackle in a regular season game. We all

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Speaker 3: saw physical. That game was against the Niners. Guess what

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Speaker 3: after the Bengals, he got slug fest against the Rams

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Speaker 3: and Seahawks the road. So I don't know, I guess

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Speaker 3: I should probably use Halloween or later with Garrett Williams

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Speaker 3: as well. Honestly, it's been so long I forgot what

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Speaker 3: his injury was exactly, so as an ACL repair, and

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Speaker 3: if you walk through here right now, I'm not sure

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Speaker 3: I'd even recognize him. That's how quiet I mean Garrett

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Speaker 3: Williams has been. Yet at the same time, cornerback is

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Speaker 3: as vital as any position in terms of a need

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Speaker 3: right now as anything. We'd all love to see what

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Speaker 3: the rookie has because he was considered a he's still

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Speaker 3: considered a supreme talent, and you figure, if healthy, he's

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Speaker 3: someone who could contribute right away.

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Speaker 1: So you look at what the forty nine ers did

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Speaker 1: offensively and what the Cardinals defense did not do. Season

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Speaker 1: highs in first downs and yards per play allowed, season

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Speaker 1: lows and tackles for loss, passes, defense no takeaways for

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Speaker 1: the first time this season, allowing five of five in

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Speaker 1: the red zone. Those are not good numbers. Yet at

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Speaker 1: the same time, okay, how much was that a defense

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Speaker 1: that was lacking in bodies, let alone talent, and then

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Speaker 1: a forty nine Ers offense that right now is forget

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Speaker 1: mid season form, they're in postseason form through four games,

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Speaker 1: So that's gonna be something that I know Nick Rolis

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Speaker 1: is going to try to figure out where are we

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Speaker 1: as a defense, because I don't know if that game

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Speaker 1: on Sunday Paul was indicative of where this Cardinals defense

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Speaker 1: is based off what we've seen through weeks one, two,

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Speaker 1: and three.

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Speaker 3: You know, we talked about it in the pregame. Would

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Speaker 3: have been really nice to see a Cardinals defense with

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Speaker 3: l J. Colly or Carlos Watkins Jonathan Ledbetter. Now Ledbetter

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Speaker 3: is more of a short term thing, whereas Watkins and LJ.

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Speaker 3: Collier are long term. We don't expect to see them

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Speaker 3: anytime soon. On the other hand, Kyle Vannimbash made a

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Speaker 3: pretty good point. It's not like the guys you had playing.

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Speaker 3: You know, we're replacing Pro Bowlers. It's not like you

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Speaker 3: had backups and guys off the street replacing a Chris Jones,

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Speaker 3: Jeffrey Simmons, and Aaron Donald, right. I mean, those are

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Speaker 3: fine players that I just name, but they're not franchise

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Speaker 3: tag type guys. So how much of a drop off

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Speaker 3: really was there from the three guys who were out

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Speaker 3: to the guys who were playing. Now you had Roy

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Speaker 3: Lopez he's off the street. He's been with a team

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Speaker 3: for a week. On the other end, he started twenty

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Speaker 3: nine games the last two years for the Houston Texans,

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Speaker 3: So it's not like he pulled him off his couch

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Speaker 3: and he was totally unequipped. Far from that. And you know,

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Speaker 3: a lucky photo. I know, got a lot of snaps.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, that's there's no question right now that the

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Speaker 3: Niners had the Cardinals defense on its heels enough. At

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Speaker 3: the same time, it was a five point game midway

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Speaker 3: through the third quarter, so there were opportunities.

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Speaker 1: And that again goes back to how I began as

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Speaker 1: far as being encouraged despite a one to three record,

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Speaker 1: because as we look ahead now to the Cincinnati Bengals,

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Speaker 1: all right, Cardinals are one and three. I'm feeling pretty

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Speaker 1: good about a one in three record based off the

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Speaker 1: expectation that I had going into this season. Got a

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Speaker 1: Bengals team coming in to State Farm Stadium on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: Paul that is also one and three. But my guess

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Speaker 1: is Bengals fans are not too pleased with a one

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Speaker 1: in three record and a Joe Burrow who might be

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Speaker 1: limping because of a calf issue that continues to bother him,

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Speaker 1: and that team had major expectations coming into this season.

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Speaker 3: Yes they did. Now look they have a track record

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Speaker 3: a rebounding. A year ago they started zero to two

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Speaker 3: and then they won twelve to fourteen, won the division,

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Speaker 3: went to the AFC Championship game. Remember they went twelve

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Speaker 3: and four last year because they were involved in the

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Speaker 3: Damar Hamlin game that was declared to no contest, so

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Speaker 3: they only played sixteen games. But Tennessee, the Titans jack

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Speaker 3: stomp the Bengals really, I mean they sacked Joe Burrow

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Speaker 3: three times, they forced to fumble. Burrow looked like a journeyman,

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Speaker 3: not the highest paid player in the game. He didn't

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Speaker 3: complete a pass longer than seventeen yards. Cincinnati's offense has

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Speaker 3: not scored a first half touchdown in any game this year.

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Speaker 3: The Cincinnati defense looked like they were playing with the

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Speaker 3: belief that we don't have a quarterback who can win

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Speaker 3: the game. And the Cardinals have been there in between

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Speaker 3: Kert Warner and Carson Palmer, Carson Palmer and Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 3: It's a bad feeling when your defense goes in. It

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Speaker 3: feels like if we get down ten points were cooked.

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Speaker 3: Because we don't have a quarterback who's capable of leading

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Speaker 3: the offense back to get that many points in them,

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Speaker 3: and then you see guys checking out on defense. That's

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Speaker 3: what Cincinnati looked like when they gave up one hundred

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Speaker 3: and seventy three yards rushing in that game. So Zach

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Speaker 3: Taylor after the game, the Bengals head coach saying this

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Speaker 3: was unacceptable, Joe Burrow saying, we've got a lot to

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Speaker 3: get fixed. Okay, what's feasible, what's doable in one week's time?

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Speaker 3: And is Joe Burrow really gonna be the guy? Because

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Speaker 3: everybody who covers the Bengals says he looks like a

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Speaker 3: shred of his former self.

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Speaker 1: Derek Henry had more passing touchdowns on Sunday than Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 3: That was a great jump ass from the big man.

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Speaker 3: That's a good stat You're absolutely right. So in Tennessee

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Speaker 3: was nothing to write home about. So to come full

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Speaker 3: circle on your point, there's one in three and then

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Speaker 3: there's one in three, and the Bengals are a sobering

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Speaker 3: one in three right now. And you know how it works.

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Speaker 3: Every year the playoff field changes out. There's always four

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Speaker 3: new playoff teams at least every single season in the NFL,

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Speaker 3: and that means there's four playoff teams from the year

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Speaker 3: before that are on the outside looking in right now

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Speaker 3: that it definitely appears to be.

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Speaker 1: The Bengals, Vikings are one in three. They had a

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Speaker 1: huge expectations coming into this season. The Bears zero to four.

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Speaker 1: They had major expectations this was going to be the

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Speaker 1: year for Justin Field. So again, how you feel about

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Speaker 1: your team based off the expectations you had, the anticipation

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Speaker 1: coming into this season. I do think Cardinal fans there,

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Speaker 1: your own expectations for this year have changed based off

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Speaker 1: what you've seen through the first four games. And again,

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Speaker 1: that forty nine Ers team, I'll see it again, Paul.

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Speaker 1: That is the best team in the National Football League

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Speaker 1: that I've seen. And I don't know if you can

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Speaker 1: make an argument because as we've seen, the Dolphins score

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Speaker 1: score seventy. A week later they almost allowed fifty to

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo bill. So this this league trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out who's hot, who's not, Who are the contenders, who

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Speaker 1: are the pretenders? It changes weekly.

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Speaker 3: It was interesting. I saw a forty nine Ers TV

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Speaker 3: show in the hotel room Saturday night, Kyle Shanahan. John

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Speaker 3: Lynch got contract extensions and Kyle Shanahan told a story

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Speaker 3: when they're interviewing because they hired both of them at

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Speaker 3: the same time. And Lynch came out of the TV

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Speaker 3: booth and ownership gave them a survey and they said,

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Speaker 3: all right, here's a whole bunch of questions. One of

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Speaker 3: the tests, or one of the survey questions was, here's

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Speaker 3: one hundred points, how would you allocate it to position

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Speaker 3: groups on the team. And John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan

816
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Speaker 3: were exact in the percentages they put quarterback, d line,

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Speaker 3: left tackle in that order. So if you look at

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Speaker 3: how they've invested their resources, they have arguably the best

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Speaker 3: left tackle in the game in Trent Williams. They are

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Speaker 3: absolutely stacked and loaded a defensive line. That is their philosophy.

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Speaker 3: And now they have the quarterback and that's what makes

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Speaker 3: them lethal. They do have that quarterback that they leave

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Speaker 3: in and so they are the boy on the block.

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Speaker 3: They have won nine straight division games and they've won

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Speaker 3: fourteen straight regular season games. The Niners are it right now.

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Speaker 3: They're that team.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals will face the forty nine Ers a second time

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Speaker 1: December seventeenth, coming off a buy, so something to pay

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Speaker 1: attention to, and who knows what the Cardinals will look

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Speaker 1: like at that point in the season. But again, yeah

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Speaker 1: it was the final score was ugly on Sunday, but

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Speaker 1: I'm still encouraged based off how that team fought back

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Speaker 1: and made it a one score game late in the

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Speaker 1: third quarter. Talent just won out on Sunday, and we'll

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Speaker 1: see what kind of talent the Cardinals have left based

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Speaker 1: off the injuries and who might be coming available this

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Speaker 1: week for the Cardinals.

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Speaker 3: As far as some of that talent that game, as

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Speaker 3: we mentioned, I'm not predicting a win. I am predicting

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Speaker 3: a bloodbath. You might want to put an octagon around

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Speaker 3: the whole football field. Those guys are going to come

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Speaker 3: out swinging on boltis. The blood is bad already between

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Speaker 3: this new iteration of the Cardinals and that forty nine

844
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Speaker 3: Ers team. We saw it throughout that game, and I

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Speaker 3: asked a number of guys in the locker room afterwards

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Speaker 3: how much you're looking forward to the rematch, and they

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Speaker 3: instantly head popped up, eyes got wide, They said, oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: I want to play these guys again.

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Speaker 1: December seventeenth is the rematch. First things first, though, this

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Speaker 1: week the Cincinnati Bengals in town. Much more on that

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Speaker 1: matchup as we continue throughout the week, and on that note,

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Speaker 1: we will put a lid on. This edition of Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two, presented by Hyundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: has always special thanks to our executive producer Jim Amahundro,

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Speaker 1: our associate producer Cody Fincher. From Paul Calvic, I'm Craig Rayolou.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two.