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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. She did it all for love.

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Speaker 1: Sounds romantic, right, Well does that include murder? Is being

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Speaker 1: so head over heels in love a defense to cold

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Speaker 1: blooded murder? I would submit it is not, and I

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Speaker 1: believe the criminal codes across this country will support my theory.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about none other than a beautiful young yoga

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Speaker 1: teacher now one of the most wanted people in the country.

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Speaker 1: Why because, according to all the evidence that we have

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Speaker 1: a mass so far, she gunned down her love rival

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Speaker 1: over a cheating boyfriend. Now it wasn't just any love rival.

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Speaker 1: It was the number one female dirt gravel cyclist in

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Speaker 1: the world, A beautiful, young bithe writer, a champion, a

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Speaker 1: pro Anna Mariah Moe Wilson, just twenty five years old.

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Speaker 1: Over what Colin Strickland the cheating boyfriend. I'll just go

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Speaker 1: out on a limb and say he was cheating. I mean, see, Grace,

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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation and series XM one eleven with

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Speaker 1: the very latest and the Search for a woman now

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Speaker 1: deemed to be on the major most wanted list by

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Speaker 1: the US Marshals. I'm talking about Caitlin Marie Armstrong. She

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Speaker 1: has just been spotted and yet another airport. Now, is

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Speaker 1: this woman slipping through the fingers like Houdini of the

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Speaker 1: US Marshals and everybody from the Texas Rangers to New

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Speaker 1: York police to York airport security? How's that happening? Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, let's start it off with the very latest.

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Speaker 1: Our friends at KVUE listen. Surveillance footage shows Armstrong flying

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Speaker 1: into New York's Leaguardia Airport on May fourteenth. Then on

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Speaker 1: tells KVU that Armstrong's jeep Grand Cherokee, which is seen

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Speaker 1: you're asked to call the US Marshal's office that jeep

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Speaker 1: was last seen when she was on the run. Is

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Speaker 1: black jeep Cherokee Steel has not been found. Let's take

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Speaker 1: a look at what we know right now. But for

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Speaker 1: those of you just joining us, how the whole things start?

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Amanda Salinas at Fox seven. Police

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Speaker 1: are investigating a suspicious death in East Auston. This happened

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Speaker 1: Police do not know how long she was inside the home,

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Speaker 1: two from John green Jack at Fox seven Austin. Listen tonight,

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Speaker 1: we're learning the victim of a deadly shooting in East

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Speaker 1: straight out to Stephanie Pogona's crime reporter with Fox News Digital.

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Speaker 1: Stephanie thank you for being with us. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: Kaylin Armstrong was seen at New York Airport, but police

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Speaker 1: really feeling entitled to eliminate any competition to take whatever

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Speaker 1: she wants at no cost to herself. And so I

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00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 1: think that that's kind of what we're dealing with here,

429
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: somebody who is used to getting her way, who is

430
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: not used to being told no. She's a successful businesswoman

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00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: and she's going to eliminate anybody that's in her way.

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Speaker 1: You know, I want to circle back to Stephanie Pagunis

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Speaker 1: joining us from Fox Digital. We keep talking about in

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Speaker 1: the botox incident, and I just kind of chalked her

435
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: off as a misdemeanor theft and instead of arresting her

436
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: on that warrant for murder, on violation of the warrant,

437
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: and they let her slip through their fingers. I hadn't

438
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: really thought the way doctor Sherry Schwartz just laid it

439
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: out about what that tells me about the alleged killer

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Speaker 1: yoga teacher Kaitlin Armstrong. It does tell me something about her.

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Speaker 1: She did Calk'll like, she goes in, she gets botox,

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00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: when she leaves, you tell me the rest, Stephanie Bagana's

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00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: go ahead. So she goes in, she gets botox, she leaves,

444
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: she goes to pay, and they say your total is

445
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,479
Speaker 1: six hundred and fifty dollars. She then says, oh, well,

446
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: here's a master card, but actually I would like to

447
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: use a different card that's in my car. I'll be

448
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 1: right back, and then she never returns. And like you said, Nancy,

449
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: and like everyone before me, it does say a lot

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00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: about her, not only not only in this sense of

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00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: she's getting what she wants, but also I think in

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00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: the way that she seems so brazen, even just returning to,

453
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: you know, such a heavily surveiled airport. She's fairly brazen

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00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: in all of the allegations so far against her. You

455
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: know you're right, but I still say, you know, I

456
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: want to think this through. Her brand is with me,

457
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: from her US Marshall Service, international investigations and author or

458
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: A lot of people are saying, well, she went into

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Speaker 1: Newark Airport to throw off police. I find that to

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00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: be a very risky maneuver in an attempt to throw

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00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: off police. If she went in, changed her appearance, and

462
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: went out, why would she risk getting caught by showing

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Speaker 1: up at Newark Airport International Airport if she weren't taking

464
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: a flight she didn't, Nancy, it's easy to overthink a

465
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: case like this and give people too much credit. The

466
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: simplest answer is usually the correct answer. Someone's helping her.

467
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: So one gave her a ride to the airport. Someone

468
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: gave her an ID, whether it's passport or a government

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00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: issued ID. Someone gave her a phone. You identified the

470
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: person that's helping her, You're going to know everything about her.

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00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: She's not an evil genius. She will get caught. I

472
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: don't know if anybody's helping her. Well, let me think

473
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: this through, because if that person that you're conjuring up

474
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: and yes they exist, drove her to the airport, cops

475
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: already know who that is. They know how she got

476
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: to the airport. So if that person's helping her, wouldn't

477
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: she at least have a change of clothes, wouldn't they say, Hey,

478
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: cut your hair and diet, put it in a bump,

479
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: put in a ponytail, put it under a hat, a

480
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: different hat than the one you were wearing the last

481
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: time you were called on surveillance video. I mean, I

482
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: will never forget. Let me tell you a story, or

483
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: I will never forget. This guy. What did he do?

484
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: He was a drug trafficker and he shot somebody dead

485
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: in a deal. I mean a trafficker, I don't mean

486
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: selling one hit of crack on the corner. So I

487
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: had him in court. He had on a red leather outfit,

488
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: bright engine, you know, like a Michael Jackson jacket, and

489
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: he said it wasn't him, It was not him that

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00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: did the shooting. Then some surveillance photos showed up. Guess

491
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: what the part was wearing the bright red leather jacket.

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00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: I was so happy. My point is she's wearing the

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Speaker 1: same outfit. I'm not talking about fashion. I don't give

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00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: a flying fig about fashion. What I'm saying is who's

495
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: helping her. She doesn't even have a change of clothes.

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00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: That's that's the point, Nancy. I'm not saying the person

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Speaker 1: that's helping her is an evil genius. I don't think

498
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: either of them are very smart, and criminals do the

499
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: dumbest things and they seem to get away with it.

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00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: But my point is she has to be lucky every

501
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: single time. One of these times her luck's going to

502
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: run out. So do you think she was going there

503
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Speaker 1: to take another flight out? Absolutely? She absolutely left my

504
00:30:41,320 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: flat time stories with Nancy Grace got Morgan, all of

505
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: this this wrangling in these middle gymnastics. We hear law

506
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: enforcement going through about We're not sure she ever left Newark.

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00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: What is she hiding out there in the lady's bathroom.

508
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: She just went in and did a fashion show or

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00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: for a tired outfit and left. No, I don't think

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00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: she would show up at Newark Airport unless she was

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Speaker 1: going to take a flight. All this drama about she

512
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: was trying to throw cops off offra trail, they were

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00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: already offra trail. They can't find her. Why do that? Yeah,

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00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: to Earth's point, you know, one of the things that

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00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: you hear when we hear Newark. For me at least,

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00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: it popped into my mind was international, And she may

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Speaker 1: have just as well just taken a domestic plight. It

518
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: could it could have been a regional flight anywhere. She's

519
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: plops the cash down and now she's off to somewhere

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00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: else in the US. So, you know, I think the

521
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: thing that they're going to do that is a starting point.

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00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: I think that even Shellman said that earlier. It's a

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00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: starting point to go from there and kind of extend

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00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: out from the flights that were outbound at that particular

525
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: time of day in Newer to go and search those out.

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00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: The question is, how is she not popping up on

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00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: a manifest somewhere. Well, she's got to have a fake ID.

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00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: She has to. Yeah, she showed up to take a

529
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,479
Speaker 1: flight with a fake I mean, Joe Scott, look down

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00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: at your phone, go to Google, g O O G

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Speaker 1: L e and put in get fake Id's so easy.

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00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: She has been somewhere. Hold up, she got a fake

533
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Speaker 1: ID for Pete'say, she's in New York, but I mean

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Speaker 1: she has a fake ID and she left. That is

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00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: my best guest. But I want to go back to

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Speaker 1: doctor Sherry. Doctor Sherry Schwartz is joining me. Renowned psychologists

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00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: for specialty is literally the name of her book, where

538
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: law and psychology intersect criminal behavior. Doctor Sherry, please take

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00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: a listen to our cut thirty two. This is our friend,

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00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: Angela Shan Austin. The search is on for Caitlin Armstrong.

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00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: Officials are asking for them public's help in finding her.

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00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: According to the core of paperwork, an anonymous caller had

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00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: called police saying Armstrong said she wanted to kill Wilson

544
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: after finding out she was involved with her boyfriend. Now

545
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 1: The affidavit says the night of the murder, Wilson went

546
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: for a swim with Colin Strickland, another cyclist. After that

547
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: he dropped her off at her friend's house. Wilson was

548
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: visiting from California and was an Austin ahead of a

549
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: race in Hiko. The paperwork says Strickland and Caitlin Armstrong

550
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: were in a relationship before briefly ending it for a

551
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: couple of weeks last year. At that time, he was

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00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: involved with Wilson. Armstrong's car was seen on surveillance video

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00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: at Wilson's friend's home. A race director we spoke with

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00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: earlier this week says this is how he remembers Wilson.

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00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: We all just marveled at, you know, just whatled a

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00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: wonderful personality and a great athlete in an ambassador for

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Speaker 1: st floor And then all of a sudden, how could

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00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: this happen? And police say at this point Armstrong has

559
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: not been found. They are asking for public's help in

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00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: finding her. And not only did he go swimming with

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Speaker 1: his old lover behind his girlfriend, the yoga instructor's back,

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00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: he flat out lied about it. Am I blaming him

563
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: for the murder? No, but I am just imagining how

564
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 1: angry the yoga teacher Kaitlin Armstrong got. She is looking

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00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 1: at her boyfriend, Colin Strickland with Mariah. They're swimming at

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00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: the Big Eddy it's a pool, and then she's following

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00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: them around town and he's texting hers lies during all this.

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00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at crime online dot

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Speaker 1: Com Our Cut twenty, Colin Strickland picked Anna Wilson up

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00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: for their swim date on his motorcycle. The pair spent

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Speaker 1: time at the City of Austin's deep Eddie Pool, then

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00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: walked to Poolburger to eat. Afterwards, he drove Wilson back

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Speaker 1: to her friends home, but didn't go inside. On the

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Speaker 1: way home, Strickland stopped to text Armstrong at eight thirty

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Speaker 1: six pm. His text message said, hey, are you out?

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00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: Went to drop some flowers for Alison at her son's

577
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: house up north and my phone died. Heading home Unless

578
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 1: you have another food suggestion, Strickland lied to a squirrel friend.

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00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: Strickland arrived home around eight forty three pm and sent

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00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: Armstrong another text and headed to the garage to work

581
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: on his bicycles to prepare for an upcoming race. He

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00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: sent another text message to Armstrong at nine twenty one

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Speaker 1: and not long after Armstrong arrived home driving a twenty

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Speaker 1: twelve Jeap Grand Cherokee with a large bicycle rack mounted

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00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,959
Speaker 1: on the trailer hitch, a luggage rack mounted on the roof,

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00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: and chrome around the windows. According to Strickland, Armstrong was

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00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: the only person to drive that vehicle the tag. Now

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00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,959
Speaker 1: we're on that car, which has still not been found,

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00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: the cheap Cherokee L D Delta Z five six zero

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Speaker 1: eight repeat L D Delta ZESUS five six zero eight.

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00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: What will it show is probably not much because we

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00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 1: know she did not drive to New York. She boarded

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00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 1: a flight out of Austin to straight into I believe

594
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: she went through Hobby and then ended up there at LaGuardia.

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00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: She disappeared May fourteen, and reappeared May eighteen, four days later,

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00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: waltzing through JFK. Liberty International Airport. Now what I was

597
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 1: going to say to you dot to Sherry Schwartz, how

598
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: angry she already knew about the brief affair that Moe

599
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: had with her boyfriend, Collins Chickland. And I think Jackie,

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00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: weren't they business partners too? Didn't they have the business together?

601
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: He had the business, But I don't think I feel

602
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: like he's somehow involved in the business. That said, she's

603
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: driving around following them on his motorcycle. He's on the

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00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 1: motorcycle with Moe, and she's in her black jeep Cherokee

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00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: following them. She's watching them, and he is texting her

606
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: all these lies, don't you know? She was getting madder

607
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: and matter like a volcano about to erupt. Absolutely, this

608
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: is predatory behavior, right, following somebody around. Yeah, and now

609
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: she's getting these messages with these lies, so she knows

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00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: that they're false because she's seeing what's going on, and

611
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: yet she doesn't confront him. At the end of this,

612
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: Mariah winds up debt. So as her anger is building,

613
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: it's building towards this person who who is not texting

614
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 1: her any lies whatsoever? You know? Question to you, Jess

615
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 1: got Morgan. We believe that she used a sig sour

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Speaker 1: with a silencer. What does that tell you? Well, if

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00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: she had a legally purchased suppressor, which you know, contrary

618
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: to what people think, it doesn't. It doesn't get rid

619
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: of all of the sound. There is a oh my god,

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00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: there is a ton of paperwork that you have to

621
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Speaker 1: go through in order to acquire a suppressor, and you

622
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: can pick them up at gun stores. But it's like

623
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 1: a year long process. Nancy, Okay, so it was a year. Fine,

624
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: it was a year. But what does it tell you

625
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: that she used a silencer? Well, she's got something in

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00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: her mind where she wants to not be detected when

627
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: she's firing a weapon. All right, you can do that

628
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: for any number of purposes, all right, But you know,

629
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 1: automatically as an investigator, and you're thinking this woman's, you know,

630
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: involved in a homicide, you're thinking, well, she wants to

631
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: go undetected at that point in time. So how long

632
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: has this been brewing in her mind at this point?

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00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: You know, a year? If we just used a year

634
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 1: as a starting point with her, a year down range,

635
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: Nancy has this been kind of bubbling up in her

636
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: mind the entire time? Say it started bubbling when her

637
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: boyfriend had that brief affair for one week. Guys, the

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Speaker 1: tip line again, she has now been raised to a

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00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: major case target that means more funding and more manpower.

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00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: The tip line. That number is one eight hundred three

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Speaker 1: three six zero one zero two repeat three three six

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00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: zero one zero two. You think she's just a yoga instructor.

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00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: She's already killed once over a one week affair. Who

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Speaker 1: else will she kill to save her own skin? Nancy

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Speaker 1: grace crime story is cunning off. Goodbye Friend,