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Speaker 1: What's that at the Bed's spooky?

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Speaker 2: Hey, Judy, I'm pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, I know, said.

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Speaker 2: Nanda's police. Hey boo, it's me Ross and welcome to

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Speaker 2: Ghosted by Raz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to

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Speaker 2: people that I like about the paranormal. I got to

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Speaker 2: talk to a dear, dear old friend, Peaches Christ, who

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Speaker 2: is just the most incredible. She's a drag queen, but

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Speaker 2: she's also filmmaker, a cult leader. She's like the queen

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Speaker 2: of cult films. I actually just saw her with former

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Speaker 2: podcast guest Cassandra Peterson aka Alvira. They were doing a

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Speaker 2: really cool event at the Academy of Motion Picture Museum

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Speaker 2: here in Los Angeles. She's awesome and a really great

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Speaker 2: friend of mine, and we've worked together a lot and

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Speaker 2: we always have a good time. And this episode just

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Speaker 2: flew by. We just started rambling and talking and joking

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Speaker 2: and whatever. And you're gonna get a whole conversation coming

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Speaker 2: at you right now, So let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I do have some dates coming up

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Speaker 2: as always, please check my link tree. I'll be in Philly, Rollie.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna start doing some Ghosted lives on stage, so

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Speaker 2: make sure you're paying attention to my social media for

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Speaker 2: the most up to date announcements at Roz Hernandez or

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Speaker 2: Ghosted's Instagram at Ghosted by Roz. Also something so fun.

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Speaker 2: This is the first time I have got to do

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Speaker 2: Ghosted in person with a guest in a very long time,

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Speaker 2: the first time ever. I'm exactly right, because I've been

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Speaker 2: I've been doing this from home over zoom this the

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Speaker 2: you know, the past I don't know, year and a

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Speaker 2: half year, something like that, and exactly right. Just open

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Speaker 2: up the most gorgeous studios ever. All so that's cool.

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Speaker 2: And going forward, most of the episodes will be done

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Speaker 2: that way in person, which will mean we will have

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Speaker 2: some video clips, which is very exciting. Not the full

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Speaker 2: episodes at this point on video, but we'll at least

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Speaker 2: see facial expressions and outfits and stuff like that. So

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Speaker 2: that'll all be on the social media very soon. Exciting

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Speaker 2: stuff happening here. Okay, that's enough out of me. It's

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Speaker 2: time for Pages Christ and with the show. Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: I am joined by a real cult leader for the

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Speaker 2: first time. Well, actually it's the second time this particular

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Speaker 2: cult leader, the only cult leader in ghosted history to

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Speaker 2: ever be on this show. Because David Miss Cabbage won't

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Speaker 2: reply to my text messages pages Christ Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm back. Thanks for having me, ros Peaches.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe you flew all the way to LA

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Speaker 2: just to do this.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean you're a star.

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Speaker 3: I mean you just rocked San Francisco, two sold out shows,

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Speaker 3: killing it and everyone's talking, and I thought I didn't

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Speaker 1: So here I am stalking you?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? Is stalk away? Wyatt? Why are you here?

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Speaker 2: I know that's not true.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, as wild as it is to hear

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Speaker 3: I hosted my second event at the Academy Museum of

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Speaker 2: I attended both of them, that's right, because you gave

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, the first time.

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Speaker 3: You and your friend Sam were the two people that

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Speaker 1: And that was the show.

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Speaker 2: And one of the best nights I've ever had.

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Speaker 1: Was so much fun.

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Speaker 3: I mean to say that I'm beyond flattered that John

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Speaker 3: the Academy Museum is insane, Like I just couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 3: Do you have any ideas? And I said, let's do

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Speaker 1: So that was the that and then this weekend I'm

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Speaker 1: doing Midsummer Screams. So that's the real reason.

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Speaker 2: Id you're so spooky, that's true, you and all of

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Speaker 2: I've always called her Cassandra till I read her book

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Speaker 2: But yeah, Cassandra said, former guest of this podcast. Right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was incredible. And now you're here and and now

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about ghosts.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I love it. One of my favorite subjects.

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Speaker 2: You work at a haunted place I do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my my whole production office and kind of digs

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Speaker 3: where I do Terror Vault is at the old San

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Speaker 3: Francisco Mint Building, And you know, I run a lot

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: But do you ever because I feel like the last

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Speaker 2: time you were on the show, it was years ago

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Speaker 2: at this point, I feel like it was right after

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Speaker 2: we did Mean Gaze the tour. Yes, the Mean Girl's

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Speaker 2: parody that you brilliantly wrote and directed and produced and starred,

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Speaker 2: and I was also there.

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Speaker 1: You're a co star and.

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Speaker 2: Which, by the way, I still have people all the

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Speaker 3: You kind of were a scene stealer. You're a little

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so selfish, Kim.

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Speaker 3: She and Willem couldn't hold a candle and logan Joe Levonja,

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Speaker 1: It was out of I really did.

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Speaker 2: But you which, by the way, we went to a

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Speaker 2: place that I'm so pissed. Once we left, everyone was like,

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Speaker 2: that place is so haunted and like, I didn't know.

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Speaker 1: Was it in Chicago? That theater?

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Speaker 2: That place was that was terrified. It's crazy that was

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Speaker 2: very disappointing. No, it was the one we went to

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Speaker 1: But we like we went to Boise, we did.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So when you were first on the show, I

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Speaker 3: Well. I, as you may remember, I'm a skeptic, and

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Speaker 2: So I think, but you're not scared of it because

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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess it's that thing where I like

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Speaker 3: And so I was thinking about this actually after I

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Speaker 3: So with him, he was the first at the meant

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Speaker 2: Well, so if anybody is unaware what you do there

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Speaker 3: We call it an immersive haunted attraction. It's really immersive.

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Speaker 2: But to have actual ghosts there, like you can't you

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Speaker 2: can't pay for that? Yeah, like that's amazing. But and

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Speaker 2: then the history of that place, let's recap.

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Speaker 1: What that is.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean it was the actual Mint building, meaning

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Speaker 3: subsequent days, everything is just a pile of rubble and

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Speaker 3: But they often and you know, in their warst stories

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Speaker 1: I wanted you to do a stay Hunts in there.

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Speaker 2: You know. You know what, I'm going to be going

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Speaker 2: to San Francisco this October to do Ghosted live on stage.

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Speaker 1: Oh good, amazing. I'm so glad to hear that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is a place you hooked me.

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Speaker 3: Up with, Yeah, which is essentially the terribult folks went

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Speaker 1: Well that was perfect because then you can actually see

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Speaker 2: Perfect. Hey, can I tell you a story?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is a pretty famous one and I've never

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Speaker 1: Okay, an exorcism.

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Speaker 1: Evil endactment mythology.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so I feel like a combination of those two

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Speaker 2: of that, Because I often feel like Catholicism comes up

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Speaker 2: And like the Ouiji board thing, yeah, like that a

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Speaker 2: maybe it is. I don't know. I am not here

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Speaker 1: Yes, please, this is called.

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Speaker 2: The Exorcism of Anna Eckland.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know the story.

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Speaker 2: both Roland Dole, Roland Dough and Anna Eckland are both

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00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 2: fake names.

442
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 1: Oh protect them, I guess they are drag names, yeah.

443
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 2: To protect the person and yeah minors and I don't

444
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 2: know just particularly Rolando was a little boy, but Anna

445
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 2: Ackland nobody knows for sure who she really was. Many

446
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 2: suspect it was a woman named Emma Schmidt. A lot

447
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 2: of my research I got from historic Mysteries dot com

448
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 2: and a video by the Paranormal Scholar great channel.

449
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 1: Okay, So so you do research. Oh, I get in there,

450
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: you go deep. Yes, you don't have interns doing this.

451
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 1: You're like that, you're in there, you are digging.

452
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 2: I'm the research department when it comes to this kind

453
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 2: of stuff.

454
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 1: I'm impressed.

455
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 2: I'm going in there. But I will say, if ever

456
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 2: there's a fact that's wrong, it's else.

457
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: It's someone else that did the research mistakes.

458
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 2: It wasn't me. But okay, so pretty much we know

459
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 2: so that she was born in Marathon, Wisconsin, in eighteen

460
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 2: eighty two. Her mother died when she was a child,

461
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 2: and she was left to be raised by an abusive

462
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 2: alcoholic down She was very devout Catholic when she was fourteen.

463
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 2: Every time that she went to church, she would be

464
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 2: overcome with violent thoughts, wanting to smash the consecrated items

465
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 2: and harm the priest.

466
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: Relatable you know what I mean. I'm like, okay, yeah,

467
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: that tracks.

468
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 2: Eventually, she says that she was held back by an

469
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 2: invisible force and she couldn't even enter the church.

470
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,959
Speaker 1: Wow, that is I wish I had that excuse when

471
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: I was her age. Right, Yeah, well I just can't

472
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: go to church.

473
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 2: But that's the thing. It seems like a lot of

474
00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 2: the stuff originally is just like her saying this is

475
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 2: how I felt whatever, which.

476
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 3: Is like people hadn't seen her headspin or anything like that. Right, yeah, okay,

477
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 3: got it.

478
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 2: So yeah, I guess she was able to not go

479
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 2: to church but at a girl. In nineteen oh eight,

480
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 2: her local church contacted Theopaloss Resinger, who is a former

481
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 2: German Capuchin monk okay, kapucha monkey.

482
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: Which are very cute.

483
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 2: He was a Capuchin monk German. That is his real name,

484
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 2: theofalss Re Singer. Okay, and he is a real person.

485
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 2: He moved to the States to be a priest. He

486
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: moved to the Midwest. Who knows, and he does a

487
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 2: little exorcism on her. He's, you know, a little it's

488
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 2: like a little fine tuning.

489
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: Okay, and you're good.

490
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 3: He's like, but at this point, she's what twenty six

491
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 3: or something, nineteen oh eight, she's born in eighteen eighty two, yeah,

492
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 3: twenty five.

493
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: I don't know.

494
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 3: I can't do math, but like, she's not a kid.

495
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 3: She's not Linda Blair, no teenager, yeah, okay, no, but it.

496
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 2: Started, yeh, woman, it seems like it got progressive and

497
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 2: you know, it started at age fourteen.

498
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: And just kept going. I guess it just got worse.

499
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,479
Speaker 2: So he does a little you know, tunes her up,

500
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 2: and she's good to go, and she's back to normal

501
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 2: until a few days later she starts smashing crucifixes. She

502
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 2: believes that her dad and his wife, Mina Mina was

503
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 2: Mina because.

504
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: Apparently mina stepmother.

505
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, apparently Mina was a witch. Oh, a bad

506
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 2: kind of witch.

507
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

508
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 2: And allegedly, you know, it just believed that Mina was

509
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 2: putting some eleven herbs and spices.

510
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 3: That were cursed in her food. Oh wow, she was

511
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 3: putting cursed herbs. And this is according to her. Mina

512
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 3: didn't admit to this.

513
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 2: Well Mina's dad at this point.

514
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: Oh okay, God, So apparently.

515
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: I don't know the exact details, but Mina and the

516
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 2: dad have now passed, but she's believed that they put

517
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: a curse on her during life, and they're haunting her.

518
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 3: And they're they like Satanists, Like why would they seems

519
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 3: like so they're like that, okay, got it.

520
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 2: It seems like something like that.

521
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: It's a wizard in a witch kind of performing the

522
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: dark arts.

523
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, Mina and even Mina or yeah right, okay,

524
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 2: So for years the demons are kind of like coming

525
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 2: and going. You know, she's able to manage it at

526
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 2: this point. Now she's in her forties. It's nineteen twenty eight, okay,

527
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: and the priest is called back up, and this time

528
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 2: he brought back up. He's got his friend, Reverend Joseph Steiger.

529
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: So they bring Anna to Ruling, Iowa, where father Resinger

530
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 2: was working, and on August eighteenth, nineteen twenty eight, they

531
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: bring her to a convent. And as soon as she

532
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: gets to the non convent, she's got the urge to

533
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: whoop these nuns asses.

534
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: This sounds like my kind of movie.

535
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 2: I know. You know I'm obsessed with nuns or me too.

536
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 3: I mean I love non exploitation. I mean, oh my god,

537
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 3: like I I well, you know, I mom my teachers

538
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 3: were nuns growing up, you know, I.

539
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: Just love everything about They weren't sexy, though.

540
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 3: But have you seen Benedetta, the Paul Varhoven movie. Oh

541
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 3: my god, it's showgirls in a convent.

542
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: Are you serious? Is it lesbian? Me?

543
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: Yes, of course, It's like modern day non exploitation. It

544
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: is so good. When you were going to love it,

545
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be eager to thank me after you

546
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: watch it.

547
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 2: Well, I love I mean Showgirls obviously it's new.

548
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: I mean it's I'm new ish, you know, Okay a

549
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: few years ago. Okay, sorry, thank you.

550
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: No, That's that's what you're good for, is these kinds

551
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: of these we go That's what you an, That's what

552
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 2: you're good for.

553
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got it.

554
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: By the way, people listen to Peaches of this podcast

555
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: because she and Michael Muratti really tell you some great stuff.

556
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: Watch.

557
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 2: Okay, So they're at the convent. She wants to whoop

558
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 2: these nuns asses.

559
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: Okay.

560
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: So the nuns give her food and she is pissed

561
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 2: because she can tell that the food has been blessed.

562
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: She's like, I did not order no Jesus with this, Tata.

563
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: Yes, I love this. Yeah, uh huh.

564
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: So she wouldn't eat any food or drinks while she's there.

565
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: She would all she doesn't want to get better at

566
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: this point, the demons.

567
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 2: The demon h I got it.

568
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

569
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 2: So she would also allegedly purr when waiting for the priest.

570
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: Love it.

571
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 2: I don't know. The priest said that on his way

572
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: to the convent. His car wouldn't accelerate even though it

573
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: was a new car. Let's keep in mind, this.

574
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: Is kind of cars are there then, I know it's

575
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 3: the twenty He's like, I'm sure, like did the like

576
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 3: crank the engine?

577
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

578
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: But whatever. Of course that means that the devil got

579
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: in the car and is trying to keep him away.

580
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: So Anna gets tied to the bed.

581
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: And it says, oh, that's familiar.

582
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 3: No, I mean no, I mean like no, I'm saying

583
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 3: they used that exorcist, right, this was sort of inspired

584
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 3: the exorcism.

585
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, exorcists, I guess.

586
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: So, okay, she's tied to the bed.

587
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: She's tied to this.

588
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to make some sex joking.

589
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: Well it seemed like.

590
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: So she's tied to the bed, got it.

591
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: And it says that they had the strongest nuns hold her.

592
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 3: Dad, and you know there were some brute there was

593
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 3: face it. If ever there were strong If you're going.

594
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: To find some strong ass women, you go to a convent.

595
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: The got those butch sisters.

596
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: I mean, let's face it, it's rectory.

597
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 3: And convents were a safe place for queer people to

598
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like it's it's Hello. Yeah,

599
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 3: it doesn't take a rocket scientist.

600
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: To figure out why the name rectory, right, rector Mary,

601
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: that's why they called it.

602
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: That seems like. So they get these butch sisters out. Yeah,

603
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: they said, get sister Ronda and sister.

604
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: Barster Bulldagger come on over. So uh.

605
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: The priests are saying his prayers and instantly she just

606
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 2: like actually she's sedated, like her eyes go out whatever.

607
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 2: And then she breaks free and throws herself at the

608
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: wall and in a catlike manner, she's clinging to the

609
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: wall above the door with her hands.

610
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: That's from the Exorcist.

611
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 2: Also, that's so creepy.

612
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I like like the idea of her crawling

613
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 3: up onto the ceiling, Like I love horror movies where

614
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 3: people crawl on the ceiling.

615
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah too. So they're like, all right, you get

616
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: down and get down from that ceiling. They physically pull

617
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: her down, uh huh, And she's screaming. She's speaking Latin

618
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: English German. She's got the duo Lingo plus subscription. Yeah,

619
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: and she's claiming that she's embodied by all these different spirits,

620
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: including her dad and Mina as well as Judas.

621
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: And beyazzlebub Wow. She's got them all.

622
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: She's got collect them all.

623
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: The melting pod of demons.

624
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: It's a demon polyamory going on in there. So she

625
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: This is always my favorite. This is actually pretty common.

626
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: We cover this often on the show, in these cases

627
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: where her lips are not moving, but the voices are

628
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: coming like from within her. Oh that Jeff Dunham ship.

629
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: Is there a name for that?

630
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: Jeff Dunham shit, Jeff Dunham ventriloquism, ventriloquism.

631
00:31:59,200 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: Okay, got it?

632
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So the voice of her dad admits that

633
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: he was indeed dark sided. Wow, And since she wouldn't

634
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 2: join him on the dark side during his life, he

635
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: has urged the demons to inhabit her body.

636
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: I love that.

637
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's like it's so cinematic, like for

638
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 3: a third actress. I mean, it feels like lazy writing,

639
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 3: but not if it's real.

640
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: You know.

641
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 3: Well, there were witnesses though, right, I mean, this is

642
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 3: a room full of bulldaggers and a priest, so you know,

643
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 3: this is why would they lie.

644
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: Very much a case that has a lot of witnesses.

645
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you know, but the thing is, are

646
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: the witnesses all Catholic like, do you see what I'm saying,

647
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 3: Like there's this sort of like built in hysteria.

648
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: I think that because Okay, as you're talking, I had

649
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: this thought.

650
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 3: That and I hope people that are listening understand I'm

651
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 3: going to say this with the utmost respect, but I

652
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 3: live in San Francisco, and sadly, and this is an

653
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 3: American problem because, as you know, we travel a lot

654
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 3: for work. It's not unique to San Francisco. I mean,

655
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 3: I'm walking around Hollywood. I'm staying in Hollywood. There's a

656
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 3: lot of mental illness that is manifesting itself on the streets,

657
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 3: you know, people who are schizophrenic or bipolar or just

658
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 3: kind of out of their minds for one reason or another.

659
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 3: And we know more about mental illness now than we

660
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 3: did then. And as you're talking, I'm like, oh, if

661
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 3: you saw some of these folks on the street back then,

662
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 3: you would say demon that would be your only you

663
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like they didn't have the knowledge

664
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 3: or the science about mental health that we have now.

665
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 3: I mean, we do a shit job of taking care

666
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 3: of people, right, but I'm just thinking, I bet a

667
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 3: lot of these poor people were suffering, you know, deeply.

668
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: You know, Okay, Yes, One thing I'll throw out there

669
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 2: is those people are not flying on walls.

670
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: Oh that's true.

671
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 3: But again I'm going to add that sheep probably had

672
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 3: a lot of energy. Adrenaline is a magical thing. I'm

673
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 3: amazed at what people can do and when folks, especially

674
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 3: like if you're a priest and a nun can benefit

675
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 3: and their organization can benefit from spinning a yarn. Shall

676
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 3: I say, then you know collectively? Yeah, sure, she was

677
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 3: climbing the walls. Well, climbing the walls then becomes.

678
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: I saw her crawl across the ceiling, you know what

679
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: I mean, Helene.

680
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm I'm always someone that can entertain why

681
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: not both or at times or whatever? Because if Lee

682
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: just hypothetically said that you were I even think about

683
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 2: this with people that live in a haunted house or

684
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: something where you're seeing something or hearing voices that are

685
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: not there. How is that not like so similar. It's

686
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 2: such a fine line where you could be like, I

687
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: feel like this is an issue. Most of the time

688
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: people do say I feel like I'm going crazy.

689
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 3: I mean, that's we know that people who have certain

690
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 3: kinds of mental illness literally hear voices, you know.

691
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: But I also think we also don't know a lot

692
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: about what's out.

693
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 3: In the universe and what we're dealing with. We only

694
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 3: know so much. So yeah, you're right, I don't know.

695
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 3: There's probably some middle ground.

696
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 2: There's probably it's probably very rare, yeah, if possible. Now,

697
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 2: one thing I should point out, because I entertained this book.

698
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: At one point, there was a book that came out

699
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty by a man named Richard Gallagher, MD,

700
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: and it's called Demonic Foes, Doctor Dick, Doctor Dick Gallagher. Yeah,

701
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 2: it's Demonic Foes My twenty five years as a psychiatrist

702
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 2: investigating possessions, diabolical attacks and the paranormal. And I started

703
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: listening to this audio book at one point, and it's

704
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: interesting because this man is very accredited. He I want

705
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 2: to say, he went to an Ivy League school, and

706
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 2: he's like, you know, a really experienced educated psychiatrist but

707
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 2: also has dealt with these kinds of cases and you

708
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: tell stories about them, and it's interesting.

709
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting.

710
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 3: Where was he located, Like I'm wondering, I mean, there're

711
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 3: a place on Earth where.

712
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: This happens more frequently.

713
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, like or is it kind

714
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 3: of is it like queerness where you find it everywhere

715
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 3: all over the world, Like I'd be interested to know,

716
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 3: like the statistics around these sorts of occurrences, you know,

717
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 3: are they kind of spread out equally around the world

718
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 3: or I don't know, you know what I mean.

719
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: He was located in New York.

720
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Well there's a lot of that there. I

721
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: could see it.

722
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think he would travel. I think that

723
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 2: with the demonic possession kind of thing.

724
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: Like his office was right in the middle of Chelsea.

725
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: He only saw gay men.

726
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that tracks, you know, talk about coincidence and whatever.

727
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it does seem like these exorcism

728
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 2: cases of this nature do only happen to Catholics.

729
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: There you go.

730
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 3: But you know, like I'll go back to my husband

731
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 3: who's raised Muslim and who's you know, family are all

732
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 3: you know, maybe.

733
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: Not practicing, but culturally they have a version of this.

734
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: It's not the same.

735
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 3: They don't talk about it the same way, but it's

736
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 3: definitely parallel to demons and possessions and you know what

737
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 3: I mean. They just wouldn't call it satan or whatever,

738
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 3: or they wouldn't use the word exorcism, but there is

739
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 3: something similar.

740
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: So that's why I have a strong belief that what

741
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: you believe is true. What you believe do you overcome

742
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: bad is true. Yeah, you think that it's going to

743
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 2: be a Catholic prayer, then it'll work for you because

744
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 2: you believe it over you know, when you're fighting.

745
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 3: Bad and maybe it's all the matrix and so our

746
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 3: mind is just sort of the one deciding what's true

747
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 3: and what's not.

748
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. That's what I very much roomy like.

749
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: You know, you figure out we're in control of all

750
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: of this. You know we're making Yeah.

751
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: Dude, Okay, so back to this story.

752
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: There's more.

753
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: It's not done yet, Jesus. Okay, I'll get over it.

754
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: I'll get through it. Here we go. So she's malnourished

755
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 2: but bloated like she's not been eaten. She's been here

756
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: for months now at this convent. Her eyes are like

757
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: bursting out of her head. The reverend friend that remember,

758
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: the priest brought in his reverende which.

759
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 3: I thought it was weird that a priest brought it

760
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 3: in a reverend. You know that doesn't sound Catholic.

761
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. He was just like, what whatever

762
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: will help?

763
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: We need an army of religious shit.

764
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 2: Well he made a mistake bringing that guy in. That

765
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: guy got over it and he was like I quit.

766
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 2: Really yeah. He's like, this is not how I want

767
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 2: to spend my time, right, okay, because this priest was

768
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 2: apparently spending hours, like all night whatever for months trying

769
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: to get this demon out. The demon says to the

770
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: reverend as he's quitting, the Demon's like, wait till Friday.

771
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: Okay, I love it.

772
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: So that Friday comes, he's driving and he's about to

773
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 2: go read someone of their last rites, and a black

774
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: mass appears in the middle of the street and what like,

775
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: just a big black Oh I.

776
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: Thought you meant like, no, no, no, not a Satanic

777
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: you know, ritual offering of people.

778
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 3: Never mind, I went to a different place, like a

779
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 3: big large black blob, a big got okay.

780
00:39:55,080 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 2: Of black okay, And it's covering the street and it suspicion,

781
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 2: and he veers off the road and crashes and he's

782
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: dangling his car over a rabine and then at the

783
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: last moment, a hot farmer comes and saves him.

784
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's fierce.

785
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: So I don't know, was that a coincidence that the

786
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 2: deebon said, wait till Friday, he almost died but didn't.

787
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 2: I don't know either way. Back to her, So she's

788
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: vomiting bile, and they say it's amounts of just stuff

789
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: coming out of her that could not even fit in

790
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: her body. There's just so much of it. Her body

791
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: would expand and contract. You know, she's doing all that

792
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 2: typical stuff from the movies yea toarting. Honey, she's contorting.

793
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 2: She's a ventriloquist, she's a full sideshow entertainment. She would

794
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: scream out information that there was no way she could

795
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: have known. Now, that's fun, that's good stuff.

796
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: What does that mean?

797
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: What do you mean? Sam?

798
00:40:58,520 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: Here?

799
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 2: Karaens that kind of thing.

800
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: Okay, got it, Facts that she couldn't possibly have known totally.

801
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 2: They would do these different sessions and then for this

802
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: final exorcism. It ended on December twenty third, nineteen twenty eight.

803
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 2: She stands up and she exclaims.

804
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: I've cured good. Okay.

805
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: Of course, she says it was Jesus, and you know,

806
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: I'm back and whatever. They kept this whole thing real

807
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: hush hush, you know again, the fake name you know,

808
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: they didn't want the public to know about this until

809
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 2: Reverend Carl Vogel gets in there and interviews a bunch

810
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: of eyewitnesses for a pamphlet called Big on Satan. And

811
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: this was just a few years after so all these

812
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: witnesses were still around and according to an interview with

813
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: the priest the full Phyllis in nineteen thirty six, he

814
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: said that at that point in nineteen thirty six, it

815
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 2: was still an ongoing case and that the demons have

816
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 2: come back to this poor Anna Acklund. Uh So, nobody

817
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: really knows, of course who she is, so we don't

818
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 2: know how her life went, but it's assumed that she

819
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: dealt with this her whole life.

820
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: Wow, that's really sad.

821
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 3: It is sad well, Okay, So going back to the

822
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 3: omen because what it insinuates is that the Catholic Church

823
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 3: manufactures bringing I'm a spoiler alert. You know, they are

824
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 3: the ones who bring the demon in because they are

825
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 3: dealing with counterculture at the time, and the youth who

826
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 3: are are fed up with the Vietnam War and the

827
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 3: sort of the oppression of the Catholic Church have turned away,

828
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 3: and so they're not able to recruit as many new

829
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 3: priests and nuns and they're the tithing has gone down

830
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 3: the tubes and people aren't going to church and the

831
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 3: church is losing money. So they manufacture well they don't

832
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 3: manufacture it, but they like summon a demon so that

833
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 3: they can strike fear back into the world and send

834
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: people back. And I love that concept.

835
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: That's fun. Yeah, well, because I feel like Catholicism is

836
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,959
Speaker 2: not She's not it right.

837
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: Now, no, I mean, and that's kind of what the

838
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: and I think the movie, even though it takes place

839
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: in the past, it's sort of showcasing something that I

840
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: think the church is dealing with now. I mean, I'm

841
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: shocked that anyone still, you know, after everything that's come out, everything,

842
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: people are still like, okay, well give you our money

843
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: and show up and believe what you say.

844
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 2: And it's tough because I have family that me too.

845
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 2: They're still in there, and you know it's the beliefs.

846
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: Yea, that is what they'll they can't let go of it.

847
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: It's the it's not so much about that church stuff

848
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: as much as it is about the.

849
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: Well I guess it.

850
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand, like if you really just follow like

851
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 3: the New Testament, it's not all, it's actually quite good.

852
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,479
Speaker 1: But it's like, but you see what the church does,

853
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: like you see that they protect monsters. They you know,

854
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: are misogynists, like they're antit, you know, like what you know, what.

855
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 2: About when Miss Francis said, would she used the F

856
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 2: word of yours? We got a bunch of what'd she

857
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 2: call it? Faggacini's.

858
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 3: Yeah. I liked it because I feel like I have

859
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 3: a lot of family members who point to these like

860
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 3: sort of bs, little you know, little inklings of progress.

861
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 2: You know.

862
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 3: She'll throw a you know, a bone out there and

863
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 3: people go, oh, look, look we have a modern pope

864
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 3: and this and that, and it's like, oh, no, you

865
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 3: know what she's saying behind closed doors, you know, here

866
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 3: it is, you know, and she was busted. She is busted,

867
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 3: and she was busted, you know.

868
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 2: Busted, Miss Francis.

869
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's just so weird. It's like, okay, well,

870
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,439
Speaker 1: I guess you're just gonna excuse that as well.

871
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: You know, listen, he chose the name Frances.

872
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: No he didn't, Oh he did.

873
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 2: You could choose any name, he said, I want to

874
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: be for Frances, my pope, Francis Francis McDorman.

875
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: One of my favorite Francis is the pee Wee Herman's nemesis.

876
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, that Francis Francis Peaches.

877
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: Yes.

878
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 2: Can I show you a haunted doll?

879
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: Yes? Please?

880
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 2: It's time for the dolls are living?

881
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: Is this a regular segment? It is great? So what

882
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: I do?

883
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: And we didn't do this the last se I don't

884
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: remember this.

885
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is like that title.

886
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 2: Thank you. So I go to eBay and I type

887
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: in haunted dolls. Okay, And there are hundreds, if not

888
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: thousands at a time, and they often come with biographies

889
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: and we like to, like, you know, take a look

890
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: out at one every week. So, geeha, can you show

891
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: us that doll? Please? This one we have today does

892
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 2: not have a name.

893
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: Oh wow, it's adorable. It's actually really cute, I mean precious.

894
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 1: And it's a little boy right.

895
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: Or a non binary very somewhere in the middle.

896
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but very cute, terrifying, let's be honest.

897
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: The eyes are I think a little bit too in

898
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 2: the sockets for my taste.

899
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

900
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 2: There is some overalls with a little shirt with little

901
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: drummerman kind of thing on it.

902
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 3: Peter Pan collar and blonde, very very sort of looks

903
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 3: like one of the mon traps, you know.

904
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 2: Very von trappy some blush. All right, So this one

905
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 2: does not have a name, but it does have a bio.

906
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: Okay.

907
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 2: The person that's selling it, they are selling it for

908
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy five dollars. Okay, but keep in

909
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 2: mind you're not just getting the doll, You're also getting

910
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: what's inside this.

911
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 3: Is I'm starting to I'm having a light bulb moment

912
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 3: of like, I could probably sell some haunted dolls.

913
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: I think about this constant, like, wait, you got a

914
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: good Will and get a doll? Especially as a horror writer,

915
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: I think I'd have fun with this.

916
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so this person writes, I swear when I

917
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: first saw this doll, his eyes shifted and watched me.

918
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,240
Speaker 2: I had to do a double take. But I swear

919
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: I've seen it again. Oh. Anyone that has been around

920
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 2: him has also said his eyes made them feel weird.

921
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 2: The first night I brought him home was brutal. I

922
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: woke up with three scratches on my leg, but there

923
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 2: was nothing in my bed that could have done that.

924
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: Is that the whole description?

925
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 2: No?

926
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 3: Okay, but I already am loving like this might be

927
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 3: a bigger time suck than Facebook for me now or Instagram,

928
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 3: because like I could spend hours.

929
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: This is my social Yeah. Yeah.

930
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: And there's gay ones. There's there's all kinds. There's there's

931
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 2: an account that only sells beanie babies that they say

932
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 2: have gay people in them.

933
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: Hey beanie babies. Yes, wow, no, I need you need

934
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: to send me links.

935
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: I absolutely no problem. And then there's sex ones. There's

936
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: so much.

937
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: There's so much.

938
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 2: Okay, so this one's scratching this person in the middle

939
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 2: of the night, which I was stopping because I do

940
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: this to myself all the time.

941
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: Scratch yourself.

942
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 2: I forget to loop up these legs and then I

943
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 2: wake up and I've got little scratch marks on them.

944
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: But whatever this was, Well, you don't really cut your toenails.

945
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: Well there's that. There's uh so that's how I cling

946
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: to the wall like a cat.

947
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 3: I've just always noticed when you know you're shrimping, it's

948
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 3: like those those toenails.

949
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 2: Just shrimping.

950
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 3: Wait, shrimping is when you suck toes. What's it called

951
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 3: when you're that is that's a sex act?

952
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 1: Shrimping? You didn't know that, I swear to god. Shrimping

953
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: is a thing. People are gonna back me up A.

954
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 2: Long time ago. I told the story in this podcast,

955
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 2: and I've never forgotten about this. You shrimp, No, but

956
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 2: I knew this guy met this guy on Craigslist to

957
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 2: be his roommate. It's like a creepy guy. And one

958
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: night this guy I knew woke up in the middle

959
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 2: of the night and the guy was sucking on his toes.

960
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: That's shrimping. That's a whole shrimping ye yeah, yeah, And

961
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: pink flamingos.

962
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 3: When Connie and Raymond Marble they're sucking each other's feet,

963
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 3: that's shrimping. They're like licking each other's toes. But there's

964
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 3: like a term for when your toes hang out over

965
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 3: your heels.

966
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: Over the front of your shoes.

967
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: Just hangers, I guess.

968
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: But anyways, you don't really have long to nails. I

969
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: just was trying to create a vision. Well when you

970
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: maybe you do. I don't know. I don't look at

971
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: your feet.

972
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 2: When you lick people's toes, do you put like cocktail

973
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 2: sauce on it or what do you do?

974
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: Personally? I like to like to have the feet on ice.

975
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: I squeeze a little lemon over the toes.

976
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet that's nice.

977
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: Dip the horsepadush and catch it. Yeah.

978
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 2: Okay, so back to this unnamed one hundred and seventy

979
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: five dollars dollar.

980
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.

981
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 2: Do to do?

982
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 3: Uh?

983
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 2: The first night, where was I? Okay? I noticed before

984
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: sleeping that there was a dark shadow standing in front

985
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 2: of my window. I was terrified, but also exhausted, so

986
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 2: I didn't want to think about it. I didn't put

987
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 2: two and two together until later. He appears as an

988
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 2: older man with no teeth. That's perfect for shrimp.

989
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: That is, that's that's exactly what you want. Yeah.

990
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 2: So he appears as an older man with no teeth.

991
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 2: This is what he shapes into. I noticed him sitting

992
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 2: in the rocking chair a lot, and I also can

993
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 2: feel him standing behind me. I will hear his scream,

994
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 2: slash yell coming from the area he's in and loud tapping.

995
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 2: He will let you know he is around for sure.

996
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 2: Mainly at he makes an appearance, and it's always really scary.

997
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: He can cause nightmare, sleep paralysis, anxiety, high heart rate,

998
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: and a feeling of dread.

999
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: Beware it's like a drug commercial me.

1000
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: They always have to put a disclaimer. Oh really Yeah,

1001
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 2: because you're not legally allowed to sell ghosts, so you.

1002
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: Have that's a law on eBay. Okay, all right, So

1003
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: they have to say, so you're buying the doll.

1004
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 2: But eBay prohibits the cell of intangible objects.

1005
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, fair enough, that makes sense.

1006
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 2: You're buying the doll and then you might get shrimped

1007
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night by a man.

1008
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: I have to say, like, that description is a lot

1009
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: more than I was thinking it would be.

1010
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: That was the most tame, normal one we read.

1011
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 3: And so I mean, how often do you think people

1012
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 3: buy these dolls? Because, like you think, if you buy one, apply.

1013
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 2: And demand honey, it's up there constantly. There's every day

1014
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: there's new ones. And I've talked to some people that

1015
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 2: have bought them, and you're the one doing this. I

1016
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 2: wish I swear to God money.

1017
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 3: I want some PI out there who's listening to bust Raws.

1018
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 3: I bet she's using the Ghosted podcast.

1019
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: Karen and Georgia know that you're doing this. Do they

1020
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: know that you're using this podcast to hawk your your

1021
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 1: snake oil salesman ghost dolls?

1022
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, it's a hustle. No one asked to

1023
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 2: buy it. I'm not making you buy them.

1024
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: That's true. But this is like one big commercial for

1025
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: your ghost doll.

1026
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: You know, I think about I'm afraid that as this

1027
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 2: podcast gets bigger, that people will start making fake.

1028
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 3: Like, Okay, we need to find like these people want

1029
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 3: to interview one of these Yes, absolutely, Like I want

1030
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 3: to know these salespeople. Have they sold more than one

1031
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 3: haunted dolls?

1032
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: Yes? Well then that.

1033
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 2: Come on, caught these people before.

1034
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 1: Come on, I've caught these people using.

1035
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:57,959
Speaker 2: The same bio on a different dolls.

1036
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: Oh well, there you go. No, you gotta get so

1037
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: now I'm starting to think it's not I actually give

1038
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: them credit though. It's kind of fabulous.

1039
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: So it's fabulous, and some of the stories that they

1040
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 2: come up with are incredible. You know, my favorite one

1041
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 2: of all time when we had mariy Lynn Rice Cup

1042
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 2: on this podcast, there was a clown doll that these

1043
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 2: people that were selling it believed ate one of their

1044
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: pet iguanas.

1045
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: A clown doll, like from Poltergeist.

1046
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 2: It's kind of yeah, oh wow, Honestly it looked like

1047
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 2: my dad. Honestly, this clown doll.

1048
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: You show me a picture of your dad.

1049
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has a clown.

1050
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, it's amazing like you, that's actually the

1051
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 3: coolest thing about you. I mean, no, I think you're

1052
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 3: the coolest person ever. But you're the only person I've

1053
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 3: ever met whose father is a clown.

1054
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1055
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: That's very, very unique and cool. Ross, I did think

1056
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: of something to tell you.

1057
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 3: Finally, Okay, I for the first time of my adult life,

1058
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 3: on Thursday. This is so LA have an appointment to

1059
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 3: see a renowned psychic.

1060
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 2: Geez, Louise. Why didn't we do this on Friday?

1061
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: I know, right, I have to say, I'm a little

1062
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: freaked out by it.

1063
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 3: You know, probably why I'm doing this. Maybe you should

1064
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 3: just come and sit and watch. I wonder if you can.

1065
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: Would that be weird? She's this woman?

1066
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 3: Okay, So this guy, he's this straight guy who actually

1067
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 3: has a cult movie podcast, and he's really really sweet

1068
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 3: and you know, has had me on his podcast and

1069
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 3: like years ago he said, my mom's a really successful psychic, and.

1070
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: I kind of stored it away and then looked her

1071
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: up and sure enough.

1072
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 3: She's like a high end successful psychic and she is

1073
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 3: going to be in California. She doesn't live here, and

1074
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 3: so he asked me if there was any chance I

1075
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 3: was going to be in Palm Springs and I said no,

1076
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 3: but I'm going to be in LA. And then we

1077
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 3: realized we were going to be in LA on the

1078
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 3: same day, just for a window of time.

1079
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: So I'm going to see her on Thursday.

1080
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 2: Oh this is good.

1081
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean it. We'll see, We'll see what happens.

1082
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 3: I do have these friends who are very close friends,

1083
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 3: who are twins, who they someone that was close to

1084
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 3: them and they met with a psychic, and they actually

1085
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 3: met with a few and there was a woman where

1086
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 3: they were convinced, you know, that it was the real deal,

1087
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 3: and they actually said that she and they agreed that

1088
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 3: they would no longer see each other because it can

1089
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 3: become like an addiction.

1090
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree.

1091
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I don't know much about this. This is

1092
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 1: new terrain.

1093
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 2: You've never been to a psychic. No, well, I love

1094
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 2: to pay someone to talk about me. It's great, Yeah

1095
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 2: it me, I'll.

1096
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: Talk about you. I'd be happy to the things I

1097
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 1: would say.

1098
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 2: Now, this is exciting because I want to hear what

1099
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 2: happens the next time you come on this podcast. You're

1100
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 2: going to have to now, once you become an addict

1101
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,280
Speaker 2: of psychics, you're gonna have to tell us everything.

1102
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 3: Well, So I lost a friend last year, my dear friend, Hecklina.

1103
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 3: You know, it was very, very shocking, and people know that.

1104
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 3: You know, it's very public. I found her dead in

1105
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 3: London when we were doing a show together. And I'm

1106
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 3: obvious not over it. I probably won't be over it

1107
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 3: anytime soon. But the reason this is particularly important, I

1108
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 3: don't know if you knew this about Hecklena. She was

1109
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 3: obsessed with all this. She used to have seances, she

1110
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 3: had Ouiji boards, she had multiple seances. I went to

1111
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 3: her seances. So I feel like I owe it to

1112
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 3: her to try at least, I mean, I talk to

1113
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 3: you about it.

1114
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 2: I feel like she would love it.

1115
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: Well. See, I may or may not connect, but you know,

1116
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: at least I'm given it a shot.

1117
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 2: But it's one of those things where like I don't

1118
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 2: know how any of this shit works. In theory, if

1119
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 2: this was a movie or whatever, you would think that

1120
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 2: her loving that stuff while on earth, she would be like,

1121
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 2: that's why I finally they're calling. But like she might

1122
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 2: be maybe she can't find her phone in the afterlife, Like,

1123
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 2: who knows how it really works?

1124
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 3: Well, Okay, so do you think that when people like

1125
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 3: when my husband's mother passed actually just before Heckleina, year

1126
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 3: before Hecklena, and that was shocking.

1127
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: We didn't expect it. It was pretty sudden. And you know,

1128
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: he started noticing a leve and eleven right, And so.

1129
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 3: Now I swear every like all the time, he'd be like,

1130
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 3: look eleven eleven, eleven eleven, like he does always sort

1131
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 3: of see it or think about it, and he's convinced,

1132
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 3: you know, somehow it's connected to his mom. With Heckleina,

1133
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 3: I never noticed lights flickering a lot, and then our

1134
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 3: apartment all the time, hotel rooms the other night, all

1135
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 3: the time, and I'm like, was this always the way

1136
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 3: it was? Were lights always flickering? But I didn't apply any.

1137
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: Sort of meaning to it. But now I really notice.

1138
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: I think she comes through the light bulbs. Is that crazy?

1139
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 2: I love it. I think it's very possible.

1140
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, why not?

1141
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: Can I play you some ghost voices?

1142
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: Please? It's time for EVP or ev please this I

1143
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: remember from last time.

1144
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,959
Speaker 2: Oh guy, so what I do? I find Electronic Voice

1145
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 2: Phenomena EVPs on YouTube and I'm going to play two

1146
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 2: of them for you and I'm gonna have you tell

1147
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 2: me what you hear the ghost saying, and then i'll

1148
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 2: give you an ABCD option, one of them being the

1149
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 2: correct answer of what the person that posted it believes

1150
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 2: the ghost is saying. All right, first one, This was

1151
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 2: posted by s Biyonchino and it was in their house.

1152
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:33,919
Speaker 2: That's all I know. What is this ghost saying? Okay?

1153
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 2: It's kind of a long one.

1154
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

1155
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 2: I have a hard time with this one because it

1156
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 2: sounds like two people or whatever entities speaking and then

1157
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 2: there's one that's like it reminds me of one of

1158
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 2: those like scream o bands where one person's like singing singing.

1159
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: And the the other one got the first part but

1160
00:58:59,600 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: not the same.

1161
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 2: What do you have for the first part?

1162
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: I don't care? Ooh okay, I don't know. Yeah, it's

1163
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: really like after that, I can't figure it. I know.

1164
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 2: Well, they believe that they figured it out. Okay, So

1165
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,919
Speaker 2: did they think it was a fuck you I want

1166
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 2: you to marry me?

1167
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: Okay?

1168
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 3: I could see fuck you for sure as well because

1169
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 3: the tone is very fuck you, yeah, which I love

1170
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 3: fuck you I want you to marry me.

1171
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: That's good, Okay? Is it? B?

1172
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 2: I'm here and I'm gonna cause a scene.

1173
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 3: That's something a drag queen would say when she walked

1174
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 3: into the workroom on Drag Race.

1175
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 2: Well it could be.

1176
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, c oh you, I'm feeling very mean. I think

1177
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: it's a day Sorry.

1178
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,439
Speaker 2: Sorry, hey boo, I'm a real scary queen.

1179
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: No, it's not that. I think it's a fuck you.

1180
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 2: I want you to marry me. Yeah, that's such a

1181
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 2: weird thing to say, but that is what they think.

1182
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: Amazing.

1183
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 2: Okay, now now that we don't know that, let's listen,

1184
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 2: because I don't know if this.

1185
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I don't think they got it right. Maybe

1186
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 3: fuck you, maybe fuck the rest of the words.

1187
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: That doesn't work. I'm willing to marry me. No, I

1188
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: don't think so.

1189
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, here is one more.

1190
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: Okay.

1191
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 2: This was posted by a person who's EVPs I have

1192
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 2: used several times over the years. Anthony Anderson. Oh, I

1193
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 2: don't know if it's the actor from Blackish and a

1194
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 2: million other things. I believe it is not somebody else

1195
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:47,919
Speaker 2: named Anthony Anderson. This one was recorded at the Mint,

1196
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: San Francisco. Oh my god, no way, I swear to Gord.

1197
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: Really yeah.

1198
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 2: This is from years ago. I want to say, this

1199
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 2: is like thirteen years ago or wow?

1200
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: Okay, and they said this was in the vault. Okay,

1201
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: well I know that. Well that's where fang bang is.

1202
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 2: What does it say?

1203
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: That does sound like the mint? That the the reverb?

1204
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: Can you play it again?

1205
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 2: It's a quick one. Hmmm, it's hard.

1206
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm flawless. I don't know.

1207
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm flawless.

1208
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: Wait, no, that's not it.

1209
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 2: I can definitely hear something. Okay, Well do they think

1210
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 2: it was a a lot of big tits?

1211
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? With this is before I moved in. Huh so, no,

1212
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: it's not a Is it.

1213
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 2: B onto business?

1214
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: Okay? Uh huh?

1215
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 2: C I want to get this mm hmmm or d

1216
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 2: my name is peaches? Okay, what is it saying?

1217
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: What we're being see again?

1218
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 2: B is onto business? And C is I want to

1219
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 2: get this?

1220
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: I say onto business?

1221
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 3: That's what they believe it said. Oh, okay, into business.

1222
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 3: We're onto business. I think it's we're onto business.

1223
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 2: I think it's mind your business.

1224
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 3: Oh that's a good one. Yeah, I mind your business? Well,

1225
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 3: sassy ghosts mind your business?

1226
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of big tips.

1227
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 1: Do you record ghost voices? Yes? Okay, I have I mean,

1228
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: the one that called you the F word. I guess

1229
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: that's uh.

1230
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's when I called Pope Francis.

1231
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1232
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 3: I'm wondering if you come back to the Mint and

1233
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 3: you record voices, do you think you'd record the same

1234
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 3: person saying different things. Yeah, Like, it'd be interesting to

1235
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 3: see if it's like the same they're just still there.

1236
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

1237
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 2: It's very very interesting to think about because I'm always

1238
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 2: like these like, let's say that is a ghost from

1239
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 2: nineteen oh six or whatever. If they're still there, if

1240
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 2: they're able to say, mind your business, you know, they

1241
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 2: have that much intelligence, would they have thoughts on what

1242
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 2: the building has become and that now?

1243
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 3: You know, probably I would imagine, I don't know. I mean,

1244
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 3: I guess if they have a sense of humor, they

1245
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 3: might like us. But you know, probably is weird to

1246
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 3: have a bunch of freaks, you know, running around pretending

1247
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 3: to be ghosts.

1248
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 2: But it's like at that point, I feel like, you know,

1249
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 2: I have this theory recently that I've decided and I always,

1250
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 2: my whole life have been drawn to heavy metal people

1251
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 2: and you know, all the different weirdos. Yeah, me too,

1252
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 2: And I kind of feel like. You know why I

1253
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 2: thought this because like last week, I was shooting something

1254
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 2: and I was getting miked by a guy and he

1255
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 2: had like a heavy metal shirt on and we started

1256
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 2: talking because I'm not like a metal head, but I'm like,

1257
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 2: I said to him, well, we're all going to Hell,

1258
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 2: so I feel like, if those are gonna be my

1259
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 2: roommates in the future, got to get good with him now.

1260
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1261
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 2: Absolutely, According to you know, a lot of the Christian

1262
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 2: extremists or whatever, they think all of us are like,

1263
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 2: you know, evil. So I'm like, well, if when I

1264
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 2: get to Hell, I want to have connections. I want

1265
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 2: to know everyone. I want to be cool with everyone.

1266
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, well that's why I think the

1267
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: heck Leana thing.

1268
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 3: Coming back to that, I think if anyone is going

1269
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 3: to like come back or crossover or make contact or

1270
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 3: try to, it's gonna be her.

1271
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: Yes, and you will probably be someone who can come

1272
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 1: back as well and us.

1273
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 2: All, well, I'm waiting for one of my friends like

1274
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 2: whenever that comes, Like I tell all my friends like

1275
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 2: come back, you too, come back.

1276
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: So you're like assuming that I'm gonna die before you

1277
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: or yeah, I.

1278
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 3: Am, Well fair enough, I am, so please come back

1279
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 3: because I need and vice versa, just in case you know,

1280
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 3: you never know, Yeah, exactly, exactly come back, and will

1281
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 3: you know I would love I mean, I literally play

1282
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 3: make belief for a living as an adult, Like as

1283
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 3: a fifty year old drag queen. I pretend to be

1284
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 3: a ghost so I can jump out and scare people.

1285
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 3: Can you imagine? I mean, the whole thing of Terra

1286
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 3: Vault is it's this elaborate thing that I create with

1287
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 3: you know, sustainable story and all this stuff.

1288
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: But really, you know what I do is I every

1289
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: night put on a mask and go in there and

1290
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 1: jump out and scare people. And that's the whole reason

1291
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: I want to do it. So I will definitely come

1292
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 1: back as a ghost, and I will be like under

1293
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: your bed in your closet. Yeah yeah, I'll be like

1294
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: watching you. I'll be watching shrimp.

1295
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 2: I want to be in an ebays all and I

1296
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 2: want to combass an expensive one, very expensive ebays all.

1297
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 1: Peaches.

1298
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 2: Yes, that's enough out of you.

1299
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 1: We did talk for quite a while, but I've enjoyed

1300
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 1: every minute of it me too.

1301
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 2: Hey tell people where to find you.

1302
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 3: Well, you know I'm not on X anymore, because you know,

1303
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 3: I live in San Francisco and I just couldn't stand

1304
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 3: him anymore. So I'm on Instagram and Facebook and TikTok

1305
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 3: and you know, and I have a website Peaches christ dot.

1306
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: Com and you know, check me out.

1307
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 2: Yes, weekly podcast about cult that's.

1308
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 3: Right, midnight mass. You can listen to the podcast anywhere.

1309
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 3: We have podcasts. I mean we're not as we're not

1310
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 3: as hooked up with a big powerhouse of a company

1311
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 3: like you.

1312
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 1: Are, but we're a little, humble, small little podcast. You

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Speaker 1: know that that needs your support.

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Speaker 2: It's so great, Thank you. I want people to all

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Speaker 2: listen to it. If you like cool movies, weird movies,

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Speaker 2: cult movies.

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Speaker 3: What the show is essentially about isn't talking necessarily about

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Speaker 3: the movies, but really about why we're obsessed with them,

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Speaker 3: like why we love them.

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Speaker 1: And I love talking to people who are obsessed with things.

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Speaker 3: So if you you are so listening and you're obsessed

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Speaker 3: with a weird cult movie, like, reach out because I

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Speaker 3: love hearing from those folks.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm obsessed with a lot of cult movies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you've been on the show though, No I have not,

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Speaker 1: never have.

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Speaker 2: But I'm glad you've been on this twice. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: joining me. I love you, I love you, thank you

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Speaker 2: so much to be just christ check out everything she does,

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Speaker 2: I just I love. Everything she touches to me is gold.

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Speaker 2: She's so cool and I do plan on going ghost

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Speaker 2: hunting with her or around her very shortly, and look

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Speaker 2: out for that. I love you all but living and dead.

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Speaker 2: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't

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Speaker 2: haunt me came back. This has been an exactly production.

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Speaker 2: Want to share your paranormal experience on the podcast. I

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Speaker 2: read stories out loud and sometimes I'll even call you,

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Speaker 2: so email me at ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 2: You can send a DM or voice message to the

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Speaker 2: show's instagram at ghosted by Roz. Give us a follow

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Speaker 2: while you're there, and follow me Roz on Instagram at

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Speaker 2: roz Hernandez and on TikTok and Twitter at It's roz Hernandez.

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Speaker 2: My senior producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer

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Speaker 2: is the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and

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Speaker 2: sound designed by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker

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Speaker 2: is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner. Additional production support from the

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Speaker 2: hair Raising Hannah Kyle Crichton. My theme music is by

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Speaker 2: the spine Chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon, artwork by the Spooky

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Speaker 2: Vanessa Lilac, Photography by the Terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced

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Speaker 2: by the Chilling Karen Kilgareff, The Spookky Georgia Hard Start,

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Speaker 2: and the Frightening Danielle Kramer