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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone welcome to Mother Knows. That today's episode is heavy

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Speaker 1: on women's health, and we're going to get started off

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Speaker 1: with a reality star who forgot she had a tampon

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Speaker 1: in for over a month, a death involving a home birth,

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Speaker 1: a mom catching her doctor in the parking lot of

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Speaker 1: the hospital running to get to her delivery on time,

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Speaker 1: a toilet berth, a man offering free semen and delivery

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Speaker 1: for women who are having a difficult time getting pregnant,

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Speaker 1: and another unpleasant side effect of ozembic. All that and

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Speaker 1: more on today's episode. Let's get started with this terrible

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Speaker 1: tampon story.

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Speaker 2: So Savannah Miller, who was on the seventh season of

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Speaker 2: the competition showed the Circle, recently shared that when she

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Speaker 2: was twenty two years old, she left a tampon in

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Speaker 2: for about a month, which quote smelled like a dead rat.

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Speaker 1: It's a very interesting description, actually, because we have a

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Speaker 1: post in the grosser Room called super Gross Absorbancy about

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Speaker 1: a case where a woman had had a tampon stuck

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Speaker 1: in her vagina for an extended period of time. I

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Speaker 1: recall one time in surgical pathology, we got a tampon

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Speaker 1: out of an elderly woman's vagina that was up there

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Speaker 1: for a very long time, and I recall it being

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Speaker 1: one of the worst smelling specimens that we ever got

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Speaker 1: in surgical pathology. Now, when I did this post in

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Speaker 1: the grosser Room a few years ago called super gross

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Speaker 1: absorbency about this particular case with a tampon, there's like

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Speaker 1: almost eighty comments underneath of this post that say it's

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Speaker 1: it's from medical professionals mostly, but even people that had

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Speaker 1: the experience personally, and a few people in those comments

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Speaker 1: described it as smelling like a dead rat. That is

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Speaker 1: why a dead rat specifically.

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Speaker 2: Well, one of our very first episodes of Mother Knows Death,

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Speaker 2: you talked about this with nurse Amy lockran too, Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 2: explaining that was one of the worst things she's ever

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Speaker 2: smelled in her career as a nurse as well.

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Speaker 1: There's been a couple of specimens that I can recall

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Speaker 1: that I'm like, when we're in the grosser room and

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Speaker 1: we open this specimen and take it out of the

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Speaker 1: bag or the container, that we all have to leave

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Speaker 1: the room because it's so bad. Just by opening the

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Speaker 1: lid it's like out of control. It's happened a few times,

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Speaker 1: and that is one that I could specifically remember for sure,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure anyone working in the emergency room as well.

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Speaker 2: Why why is like what makes it smell so bad

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Speaker 2: over time? Because like you guys have pulled out the

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Speaker 2: foreign objects from people that have been there in a while,

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Speaker 2: and I've never heard anything described as quite as a

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Speaker 2: horrible smell as this.

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Speaker 1: Well, because it has old blood. Blood smells in general,

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Speaker 1: old blood smells even worse. It's period blood that has

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Speaker 1: a certain kind of an odor, and it's just sitting

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Speaker 1: up there bacteria. It's just there's a low oxygen environment

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Speaker 1: up there. It's really it's really really disturbing. So this

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Speaker 1: particular case seems a bit unnecessary because I feel like

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Speaker 1: this girl knew. So what happened was this is and

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Speaker 1: this is what you hear all the time. It's somebody

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Speaker 1: that was on the end of their period. It might

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Speaker 1: have had like a day left. This girl was going

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Speaker 1: to a bar and she was like, let me put

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Speaker 1: on a tampon, so I just don't have anything leaking

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Speaker 1: out for like the last day. And then she forgot

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Speaker 1: about it, but she started noticing that she was having

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Speaker 1: like this really unusual smell and itching and and just

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Speaker 1: like something wasn't right, And she went to the doctor

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Speaker 1: several times and even was tested for STDs. So when

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Speaker 1: I hear that, I'm like, Okay, they had to have

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Speaker 1: done a pelvic exam, right, Yeah, they did three pelvic

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Speaker 1: exams before they figured this out, which I don't even

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Speaker 1: understand how that's possible.

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Speaker 2: See, this is worrisome for me because I have some

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Speaker 2: comfort during my yearly appointment that, like God forbid, anything

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Speaker 2: wrong was up there, they would see it when they

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Speaker 2: stick that medieval contraption and your vagina'd open you up, right,

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Speaker 2: But like, are they just can you not see the

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that, I think that it's possible for

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Speaker 1: not something that they would be looking for. Because what

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Speaker 1: happens is you have like your uterine cervix, which is

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Speaker 1: the opening to your uterus, right, but like surrounding that,

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Speaker 1: there's a little like a pocket up there that you

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Speaker 1: could see. So she put the tampon in, didn't realize

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Speaker 1: it was there for a month, got her period again,

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Speaker 1: and every time she put in a new tampon. She

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Speaker 1: was just jamming it up in that little pocket multiple times,

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Speaker 1: like it could get really pushed up in there. And

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Speaker 1: but when she comes with these specific symptoms, that shoo

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Speaker 1: key the gynecologists or whoever's performing the publvic exam to

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Speaker 1: to look for something like that, because it's pretty I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't say it's the most common thing in the world,

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Speaker 1: but there's many stories of this happening to people. So

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Speaker 1: the biggest risk is you could get toxic shock syndrome,

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Speaker 1: which is a bacterial infection with specific bacteria that releases

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Speaker 1: toxins that that could kill you. It could cause sepsis,

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Speaker 1: and it could actually cause you to die. She didn't

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Speaker 1: get sick like that from it, but it's just more

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Speaker 1: it's just more gross, I guess you would say, than

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Speaker 1: anything else. And luckily they were able to take it out.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, she herself was describing the smell as

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Speaker 1: being so bad that she was able to smell it

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Speaker 1: like while she was in class, and that's just could

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Speaker 1: be embarrassing to a woman too, So I think it's

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Speaker 1: kind of ridiculous that it took them three different pelvic

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Speaker 1: exams to figure this out.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, of course it's embarrassing, and then you must

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Speaker 2: have some mental like I would be like I've been

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Speaker 2: to the doctor three times, like what's going on? They're

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Speaker 2: clearly not seeing anything's wrong with me. So I feel

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Speaker 2: like part of it is a mental thing where you're like,

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Speaker 2: am I like making this up?

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Speaker 1: Or what is going on?

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Speaker 2: Because they're not finding anything wrong with me? And it's

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Speaker 2: disgusting and it can be really embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially when they did the STD testing and

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Speaker 1: nothing was there, like there's no there's no documented conditions

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Speaker 1: of like women just having some like foul putrid like

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Speaker 1: vaginal smell that doesn't have a cause, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. So it's like you shouldn't just be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: well everything's negative. So especially when it just comes on

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Speaker 2: That, Well, I guess in the sense it's like it's

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Speaker 2: lucky that she didn't get toxic chock syndrome or anything. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it is, actually because she seems like she was pretty honest.

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Speaker 2: Like that's like so so rare too, like is here at.

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Speaker 1: Least for me? For me?

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Speaker 2: It makes it seem like it could just happen to

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Speaker 1: No, I need to look at the numbers. But like, honestly,

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Speaker 1: I think that it's it's it's. It definitely has happened,

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Speaker 1: just want to warn women that that's a possibility. But

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that it happens. Like it's like very rare.

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Speaker 1: Probably I would say minimal cases reported in comparison especially

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Speaker 1: would think you would see more women getting getting it

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Speaker 1: and they don't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I don't even sleep in them because I'm paranoix.

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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, you are. You are like a special crazy

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you should pull back a little bit

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Speaker 2: and be like, why am I crazy person? It's probably

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Speaker 2: because I was overexposed to so many things I could

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Speaker 2: go wrong with the body at a young age, and

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Speaker 2: that's why I'm paranoid. So putting the blame on you, mother,

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Speaker 2: all right. Back in twenty twenty two, this forty one

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Speaker 2: pregnant to check for the baby's heartbeat, but declined further

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Speaker 2: exam and testing, which I'm pretty sure everybody would say

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Speaker 2: when it came time for the birth, the mother had

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Speaker 2: chosen free birth, which means you give birth without medical

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Speaker 2: or midwifery assistance. And for that free birth, she contacted

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Speaker 2: an influencer named Emily Lao who runs this Instagram account

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Speaker 2: called the Authentic Birthkeeper to rent a birthing pool. A

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's I mean, Listen, I've had such

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Speaker 1: negative experiences at the hospital that I've commonly I probably

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Speaker 1: said it on the show before or that I joke

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Speaker 1: that I would have had a better experience if I

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Speaker 1: But so I do understand people who want to have

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Speaker 1: a midwife for sure, Like I want somebody there that

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Speaker 1: why would you just trust yourself and your partner for

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Speaker 1: something that important. It just seems dumb, But I do.

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Speaker 1: I do think that there is something to be said

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Speaker 1: not impossible.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I guess just with like the resources we have,

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Speaker 2: it's just a question of why would you do that?

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Speaker 1: Also, well, I would because I think that I had

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Speaker 1: such a horrible experience and I don't like certain things,

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Speaker 1: like after I had the baby, they would they would

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Speaker 1: say like, oh, well, you know, we'll wake you up

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Speaker 1: to feed the baby. Every like all this all their

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Speaker 1: kind of like, no, I think the baby will wake

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Speaker 1: They caught, they're just like a little bit too controlling.

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Speaker 1: I didn't like that stuff. I didn't like a lot

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Speaker 1: like that, Like I understand why people choose it. I

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Speaker 1: do like and I and I tell like, I'm telling

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Speaker 1: you I had negative experiences so like and and if anything,

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Speaker 1: I feel like they made me worse than I would

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Speaker 1: have been if I was at home. That's my personal experience.

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Speaker 2: Well, they also have I guess, this middle ground in

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Speaker 2: between the hospital and the home birth, which is like

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Speaker 2: a birthing center, well where you will go there and

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Speaker 2: you can't get any medicine or anything, but they have

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Speaker 2: like a nice time. It's kind of just like a

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Speaker 2: really nice hotel room that you're giving birth in, right,

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Speaker 2: so you're not in the hospital environment. It's a little

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Speaker 2: more chill. You have a midwife there.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember in The Nanny when fran Fine went

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Speaker 1: to like a gynocologist in the office was like decorated

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Speaker 1: like Laura Ashley wallpaper with matching curtains, and it was all.

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Speaker 2: I think about this often because every time he goes

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Speaker 2: to the doctor's office, it's just like so sterile, and

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Speaker 2: you're like, you can't just have some something anything making

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Speaker 1: Also, like does your of because I know you go

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Speaker 1: to a different place now do they have like what

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Speaker 1: do they put on the stirrups there?

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Speaker 1: It's just weird. It's weird. Like I understand wanting to

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Speaker 1: Anyway, we got anyway, off stuff anyway, getting back to

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Speaker 2: This story is really weird. I do follow this one

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Speaker 2: This is weird because this particular pregnant woman contacted this

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Speaker 2: So then the influencer had gone on to post after

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Speaker 1: how However, the difference between how a mother is treated

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Speaker 1: when her baby dies in a sovereign birth at home

436
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Speaker 1: versus when the baby dies in the system, in a

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Speaker 1: hospital or at home with a midwife is so different

438
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Speaker 1: or so stark. I can't help but feel the entire

439
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Speaker 1: process has been used to stick to punish the mother

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Speaker 1: involved in the death that has been reported in the

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Speaker 1: media and anyone associated with her. So, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: guess what she's saying is like, if the mom was

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Speaker 1: in the hospital and the baby died, they would not

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Speaker 1: be attacking the mother, which is true.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, but the death would be responsible on the

446
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Speaker 2: medical professionals in the environment, and she chose not to

447
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Speaker 2: have medical professional Yeah exactly. Therefore she was the only

448
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Speaker 2: person involved in the child death.

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.

450
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Speaker 2: So like, yeah, I do, I do see that, but

451
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Speaker 2: like that's the basic facts of this case.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, you didn't do anything to stop this from happening,

453
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Speaker 1: and in fact, when the autopsy says that the baby

454
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Speaker 1: likely would have survived if it was a hospital, then

455
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Speaker 1: then like you're it is your fault. Sorry.

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Speaker 2: I think the general message here is you should look

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Speaker 2: at people online and what they're sharing and understand that

458
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Speaker 2: that's their personal experience and you should not be taking

459
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Speaker 2: medical advice from the internet exactly. This episode is brought

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Speaker 2: to you by the Gross Room.

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Speaker 1: So we were talking earlier about women leaving tampons in

462
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Speaker 1: and you need to see these cases and read about them,

463
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Speaker 1: just do you know what, Just do yourself a favor

464
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: and search tampon in the gross room because you're gonna

465
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Speaker 1: see some pretty interesting cases. This week's high profile dissection

466
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Speaker 1: was fibromyalgia, and we also talked about a crazy case

467
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Speaker 1: probably I don't know if you saw this post that

468
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Speaker 1: I did either of a person that ingested hair. It's

469
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Speaker 1: probably the craziest case of it I've I've ever seen. Honestly,

470
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Speaker 1: the surgery seems outrageous, but I don't know, Like I

471
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Speaker 1: can't I can't imagine that eating your hair. Really, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't digest and.

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Speaker 2: Some people are into it though, so you never know. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the picture is absolutely crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah in that case though, So all that and more

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Speaker 1: in the Gross Room this week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, head over to the Grossroom dot com now to

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Speaker 2: sign up.

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Speaker 1: All Right, the only reason I really added this story

480
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Speaker 1: is because I feel like something similar happened to me

481
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Speaker 1: when I was having Lucia. All right, So last month,

482
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Speaker 1: this woman was in labor and even though she showed

483
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Speaker 1: up five centimeters dilated, her doctor induced her to keep

484
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Speaker 1: things moving. So while that kicked in, he was like,

485
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back to my office meet with another patient.

486
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Speaker 1: I'll be right back.

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Speaker 2: So she got scared because she got to ten centimeters

488
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Speaker 2: and he wasn't there yet. But then a nurse said

489
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Speaker 2: look out the window and they saw him running across

490
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Speaker 2: the street to make the birth on time.

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Speaker 1: That's so cute.

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Speaker 2: It's super cute seeing the video, and it's like, I

493
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Speaker 2: feel like this episode in particular, we're having a lot

494
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Speaker 2: of really weird stories about birth, but this is like

495
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Speaker 2: a nice one to see that this guy cared a

496
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Speaker 2: lot and was running over to the patient.

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Speaker 1: I swear a similar thing happened to me because when

498
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Speaker 1: I showed up at the hot like when I had Lucia,

499
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Speaker 1: it was only eighteen months after having Lilian, and it

500
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Speaker 1: was so fresh in my mind to give birth, so

501
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Speaker 1: I knew that there was no reason to go to

502
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Speaker 1: the hospital until I seemed to be further along, because

503
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Speaker 1: I was just going to sit there all day and wait,

504
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Speaker 1: and I could have just did that at home. So

505
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Speaker 1: I'm here at the house and my water was sprinkling

506
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Speaker 1: out throughout the day, but I and I was having

507
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Speaker 1: contractions and stuff, but it was like doable. And then

508
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I was like, okay, like I

509
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Speaker 1: can't tolerate this anymore. I have to go to the hospital.

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Speaker 1: Classic story of Gabe having a brand new truck and

511
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Speaker 1: putting a giant black trash bag on the seat because

512
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Speaker 1: he thought I was going to like gush fluids all

513
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Speaker 1: over his car. But we got to the hospital, and

514
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Speaker 1: I was shocked when they told me that I wasn't

515
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Speaker 1: really that far dilated. They were like, oh, you're only

516
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Speaker 1: one or two centimeters, and I was like, oh my god,

517
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Speaker 1: this is going to hurt so bad. So I get

518
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Speaker 1: there and we go upstairs and they keep like I

519
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: was in so much pain, and they kept saying, oh,

520
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Speaker 1: you're not far enough along yet to get to get

521
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Speaker 1: the anesthesia. And all this stuff because I did try

522
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Speaker 1: to get it, it just didn't work out. And then

523
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Speaker 1: finally I was sitting there and I just couldn't. I

524
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Speaker 1: just was like, I just can't believe I'm in this

525
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Speaker 1: much pain and and I'm not even like anywhere near

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Speaker 1: there yet. I was feeling very scared, honestly. And then

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I say to the nurse, I

528
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Speaker 1: feel like I have to push, and she's like, are

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Speaker 1: you short? Like it was like it like kind of

530
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Speaker 1: blowing me off, and she checked. And then all of

531
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Speaker 1: a sudden, it was like really really fast, my doctor

532
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Speaker 1: ran in and he was wearing I don't even know

533
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Speaker 1: where he got this outfit that he was wearing. He

534
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Speaker 1: was wearing like do you remember those like ninety wind

535
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Speaker 1: breaker suits. He was wearing a nineties wind breaker suit

536
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Speaker 1: for some reason. And this was only ten years ago. Oh,

537
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Speaker 1: And they were ripping things out of the cabinet and

538
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Speaker 1: like setting up, and it was like, I within ten minutes,

539
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Speaker 1: she was out of my body.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that day because you were like, I'm

541
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Speaker 2: in labor, but just like go to where it, go

542
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Speaker 2: about your day because it's gonna be all day long.

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Speaker 1: And then twenty minutes when I told you, They told

544
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Speaker 1: me I was like two centimeters or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And then twenty minutes later, Gabe sent me a

546
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Speaker 2: picture of Lubert and I was like, what just possibly

547
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Speaker 2: happened in the last twenty minutes.

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Speaker 1: It was crazy, it was It was so outrageous how

549
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Speaker 1: fast it was. But at least, like I honestly felt

550
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Speaker 1: better afterwards because I because I obviously I had no

551
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Speaker 1: drugs whatsoever, but I felt better because I was like, okay,

552
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Speaker 1: so the pain that I thought I was dying from

553
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Speaker 1: was really like nine and ten centimeter pain. Okay, Like

554
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Speaker 1: that justifies because you guys were telling me that I

555
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Speaker 1: wasn't deaf far along, and I was. You severely miscalculated.

556
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Speaker 1: But the same exacting happened. Like my doctor was clearly

557
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Speaker 1: he was there around, either at the office or something,

558
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Speaker 1: but he ran in and was like not even wearing scrubs.

559
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Speaker 1: It was like out of control. So that is just

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Speaker 1: it just kind of reminded me of that.

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Speaker 2: So his office is only one hundred yards away from

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Speaker 2: I guess the delivery unit there. So he said, with

563
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Speaker 2: twelve years of experience, he has refined his timing in

564
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Speaker 2: his route. So he can always make sure to get

565
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Speaker 2: there on time, which is super cool. Yeah the video,

566
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Speaker 2: he just looks like so heroic running across the street

567
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Speaker 2: to get there on time. All right, This birth story

568
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Speaker 2: is crazy. A couple months ago, this couple was on

569
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Speaker 2: a road trip with their six year old daughter in Toronto.

570
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Speaker 2: The wife claims that she went to bed and in

571
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Speaker 2: the middle of the night woke up with stomach pains

572
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Speaker 2: and an urge to push, exactly like what you were saying,

573
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Speaker 2: and before she knew it, she ended up giving birth

574
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Speaker 2: to a baby she didn't know she was pregnant with

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Speaker 2: in a toilet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I mean I automatically would have thought that

577
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Speaker 1: I had diarrhea or something. Yeah. Absolutely, when you the

578
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Speaker 1: urge to push thing is like a real thing, because

579
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Speaker 1: I think before you have a baby, you're like, what

580
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Speaker 1: what does that feel like? How am I going to know?

581
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, you know, it's like this, your

582
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: body just like reflexes and does it Like it's just

583
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Speaker 1: the weirdest thing ever. It's just expels like I can't explain,

584
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Speaker 1: you know how. It's kind of similar to when you're

585
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Speaker 1: sitting there and you go you feel nauseous, right, but

586
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: then you throw up, like you don't really have control

587
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Speaker 1: over it. You're just like something's guiding me to the

588
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Speaker 1: toilet and I need to bend over and like get

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Speaker 1: this out of me right now. It's kind of like

590
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Speaker 1: that feeling, like it just overtakes and like I really

591
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Speaker 1: don't know how else to explain it. It's just very

592
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Speaker 1: like spontaneous. So having like especially this woman had already

593
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Speaker 1: given birth, so she knows the whole deal. I'm sure

594
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Speaker 1: that was the last thing on her mind.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly what I was gonna say. I don't

596
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Speaker 2: think it's whenever we hear there's these instances. I mean,

597
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Speaker 2: there was an entire show called I Didn't Know I

598
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: was pregnant. It's so unbelievable to me, based on everybody

599
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: I know that's pregnant that somebody wouldn't know, right, but

600
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Speaker 2: especially a person that's given birth not once, but twice.

601
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Speaker 2: This woman at an eighteen year old and a sixteen

602
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Speaker 2: year old. So that's what I think is extra crazy.

603
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Speaker 2: And she's saying that it was quite the shock to

604
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Speaker 2: her husband, who woke up when she was going to

605
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Speaker 2: the bathroom and heard a baby crying at the bathroom,

606
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: was like, what is possibly going on, but I guess

607
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Speaker 2: she she said she was having regular periods, so she

608
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Speaker 2: never questioned it. There was the thought she was going

609
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Speaker 2: through perry menopause at some point. She had several miscarriages

610
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Speaker 2: after the birth of her six year old daughter, so

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Speaker 2: I guess this was just totally unexpected. I just still

612
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: will never understand. This baby looked like a full sized,

613
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Speaker 2: huge baby too from pictures.

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Speaker 1: It's a very interesting point because it made you think

615
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Speaker 1: of of, uh like placebo kind of when most people

616
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Speaker 1: find out they're pregnant when they're like what five or

617
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Speaker 1: six weeks pregnant, So it's like when you know in

618
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: your mind, then you're like, okay, well, I'm like really hungry.

619
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Speaker 1: Like every weird symptom you have can be explained because

620
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: you're pregnant, weakain being extra hungry, just like any kind

621
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Speaker 1: of weird system. You'd be like, okay, well, like symptom

622
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Speaker 1: you're You're just like, oh, I'm pregnant, that's why, and

623
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: you eat more and you're like, well, I'm eating like

624
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Speaker 1: like this because like you know, sometimes you whatever and

625
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: everyone doesn't get that like I do, and I'm pregnant.

626
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: I'm like like ravenous every single day. But some people

627
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: just gain normal weight whatever. But if you don't know,

628
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: and you're just kind of blow it off, like God,

629
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,239
Speaker 1: like listen, like I'm going through perimenopause right now, and

630
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: every single day I'm like fighting all this weird stuff

631
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: that's happening with my body. And I'm like, right, I

632
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: want to eat all day long, but I know I

633
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: can't cause I'm going to gain weight. So it's like

634
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: like I reel it in. But then it's like if

635
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: I knew I was pregnant, like maybe I'd be like, well,

636
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: I'm pregnant, it makes sense, and you just have like

637
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: weird symptoms that you would blow off because you don't

638
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: know that you're pregnant.

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Speaker 2: I remember when I read Kelly Rippa's book, she said,

640
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: I think it was with her third kid, maybe it

641
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: was her first, I don't know, I don't know. Anyway,

642
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: she thought she had the flu for like weeks and

643
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: she was sick, and she was like, I was taking

644
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: all this medicine and then she found out she was

645
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: like eight weeks pregnant or something crazy, and then she

646
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: was freaking out because then she took all that medicine,

647
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: not knowing she was pregnant, But I just hear different

648
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: things with everybody. I agree with you. I think sometimes

649
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: it could definitely be a place Ebo effect, if you know,

650
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Speaker 2: because I'm sure people just have days where they have

651
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: weird cravings or mild nausea or diary like they don't

652
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: think anything of it. But of course you're gonna be

653
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: hyper vigilant when you know something's going on in your

654
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: body and blame it on that.

655
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like and I understand, like it's just it's just different,

656
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: like you feel. Let's say you feel the movement of

657
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 1: the baby obviously when you're pregnant, right, But like if

658
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: you don't know and you're not expecting it, your mind

659
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: could just do crazy, like amazing things like you might

660
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: just blow it off as gas or and and other

661
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,959
Speaker 1: times women's like a uterus could be towards the back

662
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: of their body that they don't show as much.

663
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna ask, because I can understand

664
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 2: blowing the other symptoms off to other things. But like

665
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: most pregnant people I see are so visibly pregnant when

666
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: they're that far.

667
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: But there's there's a viral video I saw going around

668
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: there about this woman who was like documenting her whole pregnancy,

669
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: and she would you know, she did the video like

670
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: eight weeks, ten weeks, like every couple weeks, and her

671
00:34:54,320 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: belly like didn't really get that big. It happens with

672
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: some people. And like I said, some people, some people

673
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: lose weight when they're pregnant because they're sick. Some people

674
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: don't gain that much weight. Like this woman already had

675
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: two kids. Like maybe let's just say, maybe she was

676
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: twenty pounds overweight just from having kids and being older whatever, right,

677
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: like she might she might not have noticed her belly

678
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: sticking out as much as before, do you know, because

679
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: of the chances in your body when you get older.

680
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: So and really, I've seen an autopsy of a pregnant

681
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: person that was full term, and the uterus itself is

682
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: not really taking up a whole bunch of space in there,

683
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: So it could be hidden in certain types of bodies

684
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: for sure. Like I told you, I like, I've been

685
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: pregnant three times, and I sit there and I say,

686
00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: that's impossible. But then you could see when people will

687
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: have certain circumstances that you might just not know it.

688
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, five years ago this thirty eight year

689
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: old guy from Japan was asked by a friend to

690
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: sleep with his wife because that guy was unable to

691
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: get her pregnant. So the guy ended up doing it

692
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 2: because he wanted to do a nice thing. But after that,

693
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,439
Speaker 2: he decided to offer his services to others, meaning he'll

694
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: either sleep with the woman they get her pregnant, but

695
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: he also offers a non sex option.

696
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: Well maybe he puts it in a cup or something. Yeah,

697
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: so whatever.

698
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 2: He's selling his services via social media, which is apparently

699
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: this legal gray area in Japan, they have no specific

700
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: laws that banned private sperm donation or online promotion, and

701
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: he's been successful. There's a couple babies that have been

702
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: born from his services.

703
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: Well it's weird because you would think, oh, this is

704
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: obvious prostitution kind of, but then at the same time

705
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 1: he's not. He asked people to pay for his travel,

706
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: but he doesn't actually want he's not getting paid for

707
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: it as a job. Yeah, so it's not. But like

708
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: if you talk about prostitution, like if someone was like, oh,

709
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: I'll have sex with you for free if you fly

710
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: me here, is that considered Okay? I don't know.

711
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: I don't know because it's with the intention of conception.

712
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it's interesting, and I wonder if

713
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: they're gonna put laws in place, because this guy is

714
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 2: kind of in this like legal loophol doing this. But

715
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 2: he was saying that he thought, like his friend, most

716
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: of his customers would be couples with infertility, but it

717
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: ends up that his number one demographic is same sex

718
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: marriages with women and single mothers who are just looking

719
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: to have kids, and then infertile couples.

720
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: So apparently on his social media he posts that he

721
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: gets this like sexually transmitted infection test every month to

722
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: prove that he's clean. And he also posts a picture

723
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: of his degree, so you could know that he's both

724
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: educated and legit who he is saying he is.

725
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 2: So he's had over twenty requests, he's gotten seven women pregnant,

726
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: and four children have been born so far.

727
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: I would just like love a camera to just be

728
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: there recording this. Like how did like you have a

729
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: complete stranger showing up at your house and you're in

730
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: like having sex with your wife. Yeah, whether they're straight

731
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: or lesbian, Like, it's just weird. It's just weird to

732
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: think that you're just gonna let some stranger, like stick

733
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: as penis inside you. You don't even know him, Like,

734
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: I don't know.

735
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 2: A lot of people do that just for fun. I

736
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: guess that's true.

737
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like it's just it's not but it's not

738
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: for fun, and that's what's weirding me out. I guess

739
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: it's just very clinical, like you're just gonna stand there

740
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: and watch this guy. Like, I don't know, it's weird.

741
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 2: I guess some obviously in some cases people are okay

742
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: with it. But I'm more like a woman's okay just

743
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 2: having sex with a stranger to get pregnant. I'm just

744
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 2: curious the people that inquire about it.

745
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 1: It's way cheaper though than going to a fertility doctor.

746
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 2: We need a docu series on this guy. This This

747
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: is the type of.

748
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: Stuff, Like, think about if you got even if you

749
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: got the sperm, if you went to a fertility place

750
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: and said I have a sperm donor and wanted to

751
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: get in vitro fertilization, I wonder what that would cost

752
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: between them cost what IVF cost for for artificial intemination.

753
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but minus the transfers and all that, Like

754
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: you would just be paying for the transfer though, Like

755
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: like why would Yeah, artificial intamination.

756
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: Oh sorry you said, you said IVF. So if you're

757
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: if you're just getting IU I, like, you still have

758
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: to pay for the IU. I Like, if you're going

759
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 2: with your husband, the sperm is free because it's coming

760
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 2: from your us.

761
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. But they probably have all

762
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: these charges on how they collect it and preserve it

763
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: and put in the little container and do the whole procedure.

764
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: I wonder how much that costs, because there's a lot

765
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: of money.

766
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: They would never accept it that wasn't the specimen has

767
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 2: to be collected in the office. They're not gonna accept

768
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: it just bringing it in.

769
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's plenty of women that go in there

770
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: that don't, that aren't using their husbands. Let's say it's

771
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: a lesbian couple, right, so they would get it from

772
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: a sperm bank. But what if you what if the

773
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: lesbian knew a guy that was willing to donate it,

774
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: it would be the same kind of a situation. I'm

775
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: just curious, and I guarantee you it's all wrapped up

776
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: in the price of what one IUI cost. Yeah, I

777
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: don't think they're factoring where it's coming from. I think

778
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 1: they've bundled their oh exactly, but I'm like curious what

779
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: that costs. And then like, do you understand what I'm saying, Like,

780
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: let's say that cost. Do you have a ballpark of

781
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: what's something like that would cost?

782
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: IUI think is like three to four thousand dollars around.

783
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: Okay, So or you could just have sex with a

784
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: guy for free and have a a more accurate natural

785
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: delivery of the product. Like, oh, yeah, totally.

786
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: I I thought you were saying, like going into the

787
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: fertility clinic and being like I have sperm already, I

788
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 2: don't need it from you, Like that doesn't matter, that's

789
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 2: our Yeah.

790
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: I was just saying like how much they would still

791
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: charge to do it. But it's just like, obviously, this

792
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: is why it works, because the guys just bypassing the

793
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: fertility place.

794
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: I'd rather pay four thousand dollars and have a strange

795
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: penis in me. I don't know. Some people are fine

796
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: with it, but I understand. All right, let's wrap up

797
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 2: with this new ozempic side effect called drooping vulva.

798
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of the side effects with it ozempic are

799
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: just terrifying. I mean, the ones that affect your health

800
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: for sure, and obviously people for the most part, people

801
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: take it to be healthier, but there's a lot of

802
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: abuse going on. I'll tell you that too, Like people

803
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: that need to there's five or ten pounds, should not

804
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: be taking it, but whatever. Yeah, of course it's giving

805
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: people like the cosmetic side effects though, are like, Okay,

806
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: you want to take this because you want to look thinner,

807
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: but then you're also gonna look droopier and older. I

808
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: don't understand why you would pick that over well.

809
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 2: I don't think people realize that was a side effect

810
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: until we started seeing a bunch of celebrities all of

811
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: a sudden having sunk in in faces because we're like, okay,

812
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: they just got skinny, but now their faces look insane.

813
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 2: And it's ranging from people that were overweight and using

814
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: it to people that are using it from five to

815
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 2: ten pounds.

816
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: It's it's crazy though, because obviously, like if it happens

817
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: on the skin in your face, it could happen on

818
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: the skin anywhere. So they're saying that, like now people's

819
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: vagina and volva is looking old and deflated. So now

820
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, but you could get this procedure done

821
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: to get fat transfer, or you could get filler in

822
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 1: your labia to make them look more plump. That kind

823
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 1: of like fat transfer for me, Like it just reminds

824
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: me of like build a bear, Like you're taking the

825
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: cot and then just like shooting it into the bear

826
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: to inflate. It is kind of like you're taking the

827
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: fat and shooting it in your labia to make it inflated.

828
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 1: But you see how these drugs work. It's just like, Okay,

829
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: you have this and it works great, but then you

830
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: have these three other side effects that come with it

831
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: that now you need more medicine for basically, or more

832
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: medical intervention at least.

833
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean this is like everything we're always

834
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: talking about, Like they're pushing this med and then you

835
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: have all these other problems. We have just another story

836
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 2: coming up on tomorrow's episode where I'm gonna get more

837
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: into that. But it's just like, how are we not

838
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 2: looking at this being like, Okay, we're taking this drug

839
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 2: and now we have five other problems?

840
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't listen so much more shit's gonna come

841
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 1: out over the course of the next twenty years too

842
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: with this drug, just because now they have so many

843
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: people taking it and they were gonna have a huge

844
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: population to be able to say, like what the true

845
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: side effects are.

846
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious what's gonna come out about that over

847
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: a long term, because like, of course, ozempic hasn't just

848
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: only been around a year or two. It's been around

849
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: for a long time. But I don't think we've ever

850
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: seen it. I mean no, I don't think we have

851
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: not seen it used in these astronomical numbers. It's being

852
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 2: used for like it is now, So I wonder what

853
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 2: the studies are going to look like in a couple yeahs.

854
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: And it hasn't been like a long time per se, No,

855
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 1: but like a long term effects at least.

856
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 2: A decade, right, it's been around or give or take.

857
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean we haven't seen the long term

858
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: like twenty year, thirty or forty years. What happens, I'm.

859
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: And what happens because every single person that takes it

860
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: for the most part, seems to be that they have

861
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: to take it for the rest of their lives because

862
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: once they stop taking it, they start gaining weight back unless.

863
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 2: You use it correctly and take the time while you're

864
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: using it to try to re establish new lifestyle habits.

865
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: So that you can maintain it. That's the balance. I

866
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: wonder what the percentage of that is. But so so yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you have that, Like you don't have the studies

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Speaker 1: what's that like? I don't know. I'm interested me too.

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