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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntire.

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Speaker 2: What is up Straight Firefam, It's me Jason mcinttn entire,

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Speaker 2: Straight ow Yer for Tuesday, September ninth, and oh boy,

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Speaker 2: oh boy, the takes are gonna be hot and heavy today,

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Speaker 2: coming off of Monday night football thriller we didn't see coming.

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Speaker 2: I mean, three quarters of slop and then twenty eight

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Speaker 2: points in the fourth.

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Speaker 3: So just for fun action play pizza money.

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Speaker 2: Right before the game, I texted my buddy, Hey, I'm

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Speaker 2: just gonna parlay this. Why not Vikings minus one and

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Speaker 2: the over forty three? The unders were like twelve and three.

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Speaker 2: There's no way there's another under. And even though yesterday

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Speaker 2: I said on the podcast, I don't see either team

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Speaker 2: opening it up, I was like, just can't continue.

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Speaker 3: Right before game, I kind of switched my.

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Speaker 2: Mind, and then I WATCHEDDS of really bad football. The

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Speaker 2: Vikings can do nothing offensively. JJ McCarthy can't hit the

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Speaker 2: broadside of a barn. The Vikings cannot run the football.

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Speaker 2: Caleb is kind of hot and cold. He had a

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Speaker 2: great first drive and then after that was eh, and

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Speaker 2: then the fourth quarters just got absolutely bonkers. Now it

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Speaker 2: wasn't bonkers in a good way like Bill's Ravens, but

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Speaker 2: it was it was kind of bonkers. So I think

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Speaker 2: the game I thought was over when there was a

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Speaker 2: it was third quarter.

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Speaker 3: Caleb dumps it off, Sorry not Caleb.

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Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy dumps it off to Hockinson, who slides to

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Speaker 2: make like a two yard catch, gets up and Bears

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Speaker 2: defender punches the ball out and instantly they say, no,

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Speaker 2: it's not a fumble. He was down, and then they

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Speaker 2: show the replay and it's so crazy. I don't know

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Speaker 2: that I've seen this. So Hawkinson slides, gets up, nobody

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Speaker 2: touches him. The first touch is a punch out of

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Speaker 2: the football, and I'm looking at him like, I can't

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Speaker 2: believe this. I think that's a fumble.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't listening to the broadcast because you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: a dad. I gotta drive my kids around. And it

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Speaker 2: turns out if you touch the football that's like touching

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Speaker 2: the person. And so he was down by contact and

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that's an interesting call. So the

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Speaker 2: Vikings punt and then the Bears. I'm like, all right,

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Speaker 2: well the Bears can lock it up here. They come

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Speaker 2: down and they miss a fifty yard field goal that

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Speaker 2: essentially flipped the game.

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Speaker 3: It gave the Vikings new life.

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Speaker 2: And JJ McCarthy gets a run game with Mason and

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Speaker 2: not necessarily Aaron Jones. I thought Mason was hammering away

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Speaker 2: breaks off a couple runs, and then I thought essentially

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Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy had like maybe two good throws through three quarters,

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Speaker 2: one to Nailer right before they have to get them

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Speaker 2: in the field goal, and then there was another throw.

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Speaker 2: I was like, okay, that's good. And then he throws

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Speaker 2: a dart to Justin Jefferson, like, oh, okay, all right,

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Speaker 2: rook Well he's not a rook but second year quarterback

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Speaker 2: in his first start. And then he throws the dart

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Speaker 2: Jefferson for the touchdowns. Okay, here we go. And then

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Speaker 2: the Bears go three and out, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: you're like, oh, wait a minute, what's going on here

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Speaker 2: for Bears? And right then special teams was so good

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Speaker 2: for the Vikings on the returns. They had the partially

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Speaker 2: blocked punt, they had the fifty nine yard field goal.

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Speaker 3: Like, special teams was good for the Vikings.

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Speaker 2: And next thing you know, McCarthy hits Aaron Jones for

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Speaker 2: a touchdown and you're like, wait a minute.

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Speaker 3: The Vikings are winning. It was so bing bang boom.

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Speaker 3: Now again.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't like a sexy Josh Allen at home crowd

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Speaker 2: going wild, Oh my gosh, what's happening. This is just

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Speaker 2: like the Bears aren't doing anything, and here come the

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Speaker 2: Vikings and the Bears another quick drive five and out

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Speaker 2: what comes then? This one was this was the one

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Speaker 2: where McCarthy it really got me. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: say I got goosebumps, but McCarthy scrambles on a great

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Speaker 2: play call by Kevin O'Connell. I think it was third

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Speaker 2: and ten from like the fourteen yard line, and he

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Speaker 2: came over to celebrate the rookie and you're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: that guy's got it. As my kids like to say,

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Speaker 2: he's got the riz. Everybody likes that guy. And the

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Speaker 2: team was just going crazy. And the Vikings went for

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Speaker 2: being down dead embarrassed seventeen six to up twenty seven seventeen.

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Speaker 3: They end up holding on to win.

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Speaker 2: In I mean, Kevin O'Connell was I thought it was

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Speaker 2: terrible in the first half. Way too many runs into

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Speaker 2: second half, those runs magically opened up, and Brian Flores's

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Speaker 2: defense was like, yeah, we're gonna adjust the blitzes on Caleb.

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Speaker 3: He's not gonna know what's coming.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to Caleb in a minute, but I want

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Speaker 2: to just at least focus on McCarthy, who, by the way,

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Speaker 2: had a bad pick six I mean Jefferson in the

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Speaker 2: flat and it was just like, hey, here you go.

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Speaker 3: Here, this is seventy four yard touchdown Bears. And after

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Speaker 3: that you.

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Speaker 2: Were like, Okay, gonna be a long season for old JJ.

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Speaker 2: And you've got all these people pushing out narratives, the Vikings,

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Speaker 2: let Sam Darnold go for this guy. We could have

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Speaker 2: drafted bo Nix instead of this guy. People were killing

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Speaker 2: him and McCarthy three touchdown drives in the fourth quarter

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Speaker 2: of his first start. Folks, Listen, I'm going back to

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Speaker 2: that Michigan Alabama game. It was either the first or

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Speaker 2: second play of the game. He tried to throw a

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Speaker 2: pick six to Alabama on the sideline. The Alabama kid

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Speaker 2: dropped it, and you're like, everybody's like, oh, McCarthy, I

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Speaker 2: don't know about this guy. And he was unbelievable in

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Speaker 2: that game, he was awesome in overtime. It's kind of unquantifiable, Rob,

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Speaker 2: But JJ McCarthy seems to have that it quality where

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Speaker 2: he can be rotten. He can make poor decisions, they

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Speaker 2: could take the football out of his hands, but when

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Speaker 2: it's crunch time, he seems to deliver. Now, there's not

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Speaker 2: a ton of evidence on this. This is his first

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Speaker 2: NFL game, but if you go back to college, Jim

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Speaker 2: Harball loved him. Maybe Harball was raving to like, you know,

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Speaker 2: gas up a guy he likes. But I thought McCarthy

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Speaker 2: and you know, I'm not saying he's even gonna be

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Speaker 2: brock perty And when you hear thirteen of twenty for

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Speaker 2: a buck forty three, They're like, come on. But seven

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Speaker 2: point two yards per attempt. So it wasn't all checked down, Charlie.

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Speaker 2: I mean he's throwing to Jalen Naylor, Josh Oliver, Adam

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Speaker 2: Thielen had a brutal drop justin Jefferson was on a

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Speaker 2: milk carton for most of the game. I'm sure fantasy

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Speaker 2: owners are pissed. And what happens in the fourth JJ

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Speaker 2: McCarthy delivers. Now, Rob, I'm not gonna go overboard and

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Speaker 2: say he's a superstar. I saw some things that were good,

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Speaker 2: but overall, I've got If you're asking me to great

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Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy's debut, you know you gotta take the picks

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Speaker 2: a fix six into account. But on the road under

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Speaker 2: the Monday night football lights island game where you can't hide,

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Speaker 2: this wasn't a one VM start right, I would give

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Speaker 2: him a solid B B plus. I it was not

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Speaker 2: an eight performance because the pick six, but I thought

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Speaker 2: he was kind of good.

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Speaker 4: I wish I had you as a college professor, A

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Speaker 4: B B plus.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, the fourth quarter, he was great, right,

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Speaker 3: that's what it matters.

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Speaker 4: But what he had was the reverse Caleb Williams game,

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Speaker 4: because Kayleb Williams was great in the first quarter and

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Speaker 4: then terrible the rest of the way. JJ McCarthy was

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Speaker 4: terrible through the first three quarters and then pretty good

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Speaker 4: in the fourth. So everyone's pointing to the fourth quarter rightfully,

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Speaker 4: So again I'm not taking it away from him. He

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Speaker 4: was money right. He finishes the fourth quarter with let

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Speaker 4: me get the exact stats here, six of eight passing,

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Speaker 4: one hundred and one total yards, three total touchdowns of

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Speaker 4: passer rating A one P forty nine point five. I

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Speaker 4: believe he finished with eighty eight passing yards in the

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Speaker 4: thirteen yard touchdown run, which means, if you look at

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Speaker 4: the box score here that through the first three quarters,

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Speaker 4: my guy was seven for twelve for fifty five yards

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Speaker 4: with a pick six. Not great, I mean like he was.

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Speaker 3: Worth you today for twelve for fifty six yards for.

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Speaker 4: Fifty five yards. Okay, so he was working on an

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Speaker 4: F minus game to the first three and then he

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Speaker 4: had an A plus fourth.

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Speaker 3: So I guess in final exam, how about that?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 4: Sure, like he missed all the semester of class and

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Speaker 4: then he aced the final exam, So you know, I'd

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Speaker 4: give him a solid C plus B minus because the

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Speaker 4: way he closed the game we were talking before started recording.

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Speaker 4: I can't remember the last time I saw a quarterback

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Speaker 4: that just looked bad outright to start off a game

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Speaker 4: and then to end the game like he's he's all right,

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Speaker 4: like he's pretty good, Like I've never seen that such

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Speaker 4: a quick change of opinion happened in the span of

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Speaker 4: three hours. But that's what we got with JJ McCarthy,

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Speaker 4: and it looked like, to your point, that Kevin O'Connell

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Speaker 4: had the training wheels on him very early that JJ

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Speaker 4: McCarthy the moment was just a little too big. From

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Speaker 4: a start off with he was anxious. He was, you know,

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Speaker 4: missing throws, skipping him into the dirt, and the ones

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Speaker 4: he were completing were really short, you know, high completion percentage,

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Speaker 3: And then as.

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Speaker 4: The game started to unfold and you see that the

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Speaker 4: Chicago Bears, despite him playing so poorly, never got any

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Speaker 4: kind of separation. You start seeing that Caleb Williams, despite

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Speaker 4: a ridiculously hot start, tapered off in a real big

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Speaker 4: way through the rest of the game. And it's like, hey,

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Speaker 4: if I just relax a little bit and I take

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Speaker 4: the seven yard out route, if I give Justin Jefferson

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Speaker 4: a chance in traffic, he's gonna make something happen. With

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Speaker 4: you did. And if you watched on the touchdown pass,

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Speaker 4: him and Naylor I think were like five yards apart.

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Speaker 4: It was terrible spacing. But he say, if I throw

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Speaker 4: it as hard as I can in the direction of

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Speaker 4: Justin Jefferson, I can trust that it's not gonna get

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Speaker 4: be a catch or it's gonna be incomplete. And Justin

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Speaker 4: Jefferson snagged it, goes down for the touchdown, and then

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Speaker 4: you see him kind of settle in and he starts

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Speaker 4: making big throw after big throw after big throw.

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Speaker 3: And it was a great rebound performance by JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 3: Some of this was Bear self inflicted.

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Speaker 2: Twelve penalties for one hundred and twenty these seven yards,

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Speaker 2: I mean, that is that's not great. I guess we

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Speaker 2: should probably talk about Kleb will and actually let's do

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Speaker 2: Ben Johnson first. So the Bears get the touchdown from

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Speaker 2: Caleb to Roma Dunes thee to cut it to three.

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Speaker 2: There's two what was it like two oh six left

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Speaker 2: something less right around there, two six too. Essentially, what

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Speaker 2: they needed to do was not let the clock start

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Speaker 2: so that they could get the two minute warning and

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Speaker 2: then use the timeout and then have like, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: fifty ish seconds. Okay, yeah, there was two minutes to

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Speaker 2: two seconds left, and I don't know if this is

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Speaker 2: on the kicker or Ben Johnson. We're recording right after

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Speaker 2: the game, so we haven't heard Ben Johnson speak. Maybe

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Speaker 2: he ordered Santos to kick it out of the end

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Speaker 2: zone and he didn't have the leg for it.

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Speaker 2: So I guess we say the best or worst for last,

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Speaker 2: and that would be Caleb Williams. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: He's got some juice. But that was the scripted drive

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Speaker 2: vikings during the prevent. I don't know, Rob, I don't

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Speaker 2: Twenty one to thirty five, six yards per attempt, six

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Speaker 2: I guess you could say Caleb isn't the reason they lost,

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Speaker 1: Did you see that?

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Speaker 3: I didn't see that rob at all.

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Speaker 2: Now, I don't know if that's Caleb waiting a bit

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Speaker 2: There is gonna be a learning curve. It might take

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Speaker 3: So you've got to switch it.

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Speaker 2: And it took him an entire summer and he hated it,

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Speaker 2: but it worked. Rob how long is it gonna take

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Speaker 4: No, absolutely, And and this is a conversation that we've

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Speaker 4: The problem is Ben Johnson doesn't coach like that. Ben

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Speaker 4: It's not looking great.

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Speaker 3: And we've talked about this before.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be shocked if by you know, Halloween

435
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Speaker 4: or even before that, you're gonna have this, this ground swell,

436
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Speaker 4: this drum beat for Tyson bagent because Ben Johnson is

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Speaker 4: gonna do or say something in a press conference, is

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Speaker 4: gonna leave the door open, like, well, I need better

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Speaker 4: from the quarterback. And you know, Tyson is really good

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Speaker 4: running my system. You know you saw him in the

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Speaker 4: two minutes. He was really good and we were so

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Speaker 4: impressed with it. And it's just it feels like these

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Speaker 4: two guys are are not a great fit together.

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Speaker 3: So how long do you give him.

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Speaker 2: Before you're like, you know what, I just he's not

446
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Speaker 2: that guy because I don't think if you bench him

447
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Speaker 2: that there's gonna be like a robust trade market where

448
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Speaker 2: you can recoup value for Caleb, do you just say, hey, man,

449
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Speaker 2: you're our guy. We will have Beigent come in if

450
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Speaker 2: it's going horribly maybe, but you're gonna start every game

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Speaker 2: this season and we'll give you the full season.

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Speaker 3: Because I don't know.

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Speaker 2: If let's say you bench him, you know, let's just

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Speaker 2: I'm just thrown out Week seven, you bench him, Beijing

455
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Speaker 2: comes in and oh my gosh, he real leads a

456
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Speaker 2: comeback and you win. Then you've got to start Beijing,

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Speaker 2: and then it's kind of over for Caleb. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: but remember Gino Smith, by the way, your guy, Gino

459
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 2: three hundred and seventy two yards. He's on what his

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Speaker 2: third teams is the Jets drafted him. I think I

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Speaker 2: think maybe might have had a fourth, but I know

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Speaker 2: he thrived in Seattle. Sometimes it just takes guys. Baker

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Speaker 2: Mayfield's on, like his fourteen, it took him a little while,

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Speaker 2: justin Field.

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Speaker 3: Justin Field.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don only have one, but yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: this is just thirteen. I mean, I don't think it's

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Speaker 2: crazy to say Caleb could thrive somewhere else. And I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure people are going to be clamoring to utilize

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Speaker 2: that skill set because I mean, you guys have seen it.

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Speaker 2: He can do things. But man, it's just not a

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Speaker 2: great start for Caleb Williams and the Bears.

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Speaker 3: You know, a lot of happening around in the league.

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Speaker 2: There was a mini trade the Eagles picked up Tank Bigsby.

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Speaker 2: It's weird because I didn't see an injury to Shipley.

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Speaker 2: I didn't see an injury to Saque. I don't know

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Speaker 2: what that's about. You know as we record this that

478
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Speaker 2: there is no injury in the Vikings backfield.

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Speaker 3: They just made a move. I also saw that.

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Speaker 2: George Kittle's going to be out for several weeks and

481
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Speaker 2: Brock perty sort. So there's a lot of injuries. Let's

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Speaker 2: wait for a little more clarity. We'll talk about all

483
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Speaker 2: of that stuff tomorrow. But all of a sudden, by

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Speaker 2: the way, Russell Wilson is going to be the starter

485
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 2: with the Giant stable Sunday night was uncertain, and I

486
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Speaker 2: guess he watched the film, saw his offensive line couldn't

487
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Speaker 2: protect anybody, and it's like, we're not gonna get Jackson

488
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Speaker 2: Dark killed, and we do.

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Speaker 3: We'll stick with Russ.

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Speaker 2: So a lot to chew on, obviously, Listen, I know, Rob,

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Speaker 2: you guys hardcore listeners know we love hoops. Rob, just

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Speaker 2: I got to ask, all, how closely are you tracking

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Speaker 2: euro basket? Because not only is Luka Dancic on fire,

494
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Speaker 2: but Lori Markinen just took down Jokic and his trade

495
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Speaker 2: values through the roof here. I know you're dreaming about

496
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Speaker 2: future Laker Lauri Markinen. I mean it's it's like EuroBasket

497
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Speaker 2: is kind of fire. Now France didn't have any of

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Speaker 2: their guys and Jason shut up. It's football time. You're

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Speaker 2: talking about European basketball. I had to ask you, Rob,

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Speaker 2: are you paying any attentions?

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Speaker 4: Of course, I'm following every Luca game now, I'm not

502
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Speaker 4: following the tournament as closely as you are. Maybe I

503
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 4: did see that that Lori marketing pulled the upset, but yeah,

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00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 4: you'd be crazy not to be. If you have a

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Speaker 4: guy on your team, whoever you root for in the NBA,

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Speaker 4: and he's playing Euroball, you would be crazy not to

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Speaker 4: fall along and see what they're doing. Because I maintained

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Speaker 4: even now, you know, as of red blooded American with

509
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Speaker 4: a gun safe in my garage within our a stickers

510
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Speaker 4: on it, that euro League basketball is a better product

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Speaker 4: than the NBA oh, whoa, whoa. Just it's it's better basketball.

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Speaker 4: It's more diverse, it's more physical, even if they aren't

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Speaker 4: as talented or as explosive. It's just I've had enough

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Speaker 4: of high pick and roll, spray it out to three,

515
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Speaker 4: Like I don't, I've seen enough of that across the NBA.

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Speaker 4: So the way they play in euro League, and you

517
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Speaker 4: see what some of these guys can do if given

518
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Speaker 4: an opportunity away from again spread pick and roll, it

519
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Speaker 4: is beautiful to watch.

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Speaker 2: Uh Giannis plays on today and Turkey, Poland. I don't

521
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Speaker 2: know why there's any NBA guy. It's just like you're right,

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Speaker 2: it's a different brand of basketball.

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Speaker 3: It's a little.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to stay smarter and make it derogatory,

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00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 2: but they, like you said, they're not just jacking threes.

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Speaker 4: It feels like two thousands hoops.

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Speaker 2: Which you know at the time was cool, but in hindsight,

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Speaker 2: you know, eighty two seventy eight.

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Speaker 3: No thanks, But it's different. It's a different game, different product.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally. Anyways, that's too much basketball for September.

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Speaker 2: Somebody's going to reprimand us all right, back tomorrow, talk

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Speaker 2: to you again.