Speaker 1: Yep, yep, Ghetto Boys is back and redod it all
Speaker 1: in your mind. Yeah, now deep throating. This is for
Speaker 1: the streets, the real the reil, goading, the disenfranchise, the
Speaker 1: truth escapegoating, and they ain't know where we speak the truth,
Speaker 1: so they a quoted because we wrote it. The North
Speaker 1: South East coaches, the ge be mocked for keeping your head, Bobby.
Speaker 2: It ain't no stopping.
Speaker 1: And once the be drops head by and then the
Speaker 1: system is so corrupt they threw the rock out their
Speaker 1: heads and then blame it on us. Don't get it
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Speaker 1: It's Willy d y'all. Ghetto Boys in the house back
Speaker 1: with another episode of information and instructions to help you
Speaker 1: navigate through this wild, crazy, beautiful world. In the studio,
Speaker 1: My brother, my brother, Derek Muhammad, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Welcome back, man, Welcome back.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Brother, It's and honor to be here.
Speaker 1: Man. You are a crowd favor man. They like what
Speaker 1: you had to say about about pretty much everything, but
Speaker 1: especially what you had to say about black men, black males,
Speaker 1: young black males and what we have to do to
Speaker 1: get on the right track.
Speaker 2: It's a very underrepresented subject. It is. It's the mathematical
Speaker 2: problem that nobody in a math class wants to solve.
Speaker 2: What do we do with the black male? And the
Speaker 2: reason that you don't hear it focused on intentionally a
Speaker 2: lot is because so many people have given up on
Speaker 2: our young boys. They've given up on black men. But
Speaker 2: I tell people all the time, you know, the moment
Speaker 2: you start thinking about giving up on black people, ask
Speaker 2: yourself the question where you would be had God giving
Speaker 2: up on you?
Speaker 1: And where you would be if black people had given
Speaker 1: up on you. Now you think about where America would
Speaker 1: be if black people had said, I don't give down
Speaker 1: what you say, I don't care down what you do.
Speaker 1: I ain't doing nothing.
Speaker 2: Come on with it.
Speaker 1: Will imagine where this country would be. It definitely would
Speaker 1: not be the force that it is.
Speaker 2: No, she certainly wouldn't be as rich as she is,
Speaker 2: she wouldn't be as wealthy as she is, she would
Speaker 2: not be as powerful as she is.
Speaker 1: Well, it's so hard about recognizing that.
Speaker 2: That's a good question, that's the good question. The problem
Speaker 2: is we weren't known them to recognize it. For us, Okay. See,
Speaker 2: you can never obtain your freedom if you have adopted
Speaker 2: the value system of your oppressor. When you adopt the
Speaker 2: value system of your oppressor, you devalue yourself. Why because
Speaker 2: it's obvious he don't see no value in you. If
Speaker 2: he did, he would not have been oppressing you. So
Speaker 2: what we have to do as a people is we
Speaker 2: have to go back to basics and we have to
Speaker 2: redefine what is valuable to us. See, we were talk
Speaker 2: for a very long time. Go to school, get education,
Speaker 2: get a job, get a house, get you a nice call.
Speaker 2: And this is the mundane formula that pretty much has
Speaker 2: not worked for us. But these are the things that
Speaker 2: we have been taught to value. We must first learn
Speaker 2: to value character. We must learn to value spirituality. We
Speaker 2: must learn to value economics, but from a perspective where
Speaker 2: we invest in assets, not in liabilities. And the thing
Speaker 2: that we really have to learn to value, brother will
Speaker 2: is each other. I say it all the time. You
Speaker 2: know the future of black people is not dependent upon
Speaker 2: how white people see black people. The future of black
Speaker 2: people is dependent upon how black people see black people.
Speaker 1: Talk talk to me. This is why I get soul
Speaker 1: with these people who jump on the internet. Black people
Speaker 1: who jump on the internet. See, that's why we can't
Speaker 1: never were the worst, We our own worst enemy.
Speaker 2: We wooh wooh wooh wooh woop.
Speaker 1: And you know, seeking validation and also just being basically
Speaker 1: indoctrinated like everybody else, to view themselves as a lower class,
Speaker 1: as someone who is unworthy. And they think they make sense.
Speaker 1: They think they're smart when they say things like that. See,
Speaker 1: that's why you know black people with black people, is
Speaker 1: it black people that we have to be very careful
Speaker 1: of who's helping and who's critiquing because there's a lot
Speaker 1: of black people out there all day long. All they
Speaker 1: do is critique black people, the black experience right, black
Speaker 1: community and black distance black people this and black black
Speaker 1: black of the black of the black black. But they
Speaker 1: ain't gotten no smoke. They ain't got no critique for nobody.
Speaker 1: Everybody else must be perfect. It's all they focus on
Speaker 1: is trying to critique black people, not helping, I said, critiquing, critiquing.
Speaker 1: All they do. Their whole focus is critiquing. I want
Speaker 1: to go back to something that you mentioned about adopting
Speaker 1: the value system of your oppressor. That can also be
Speaker 1: levied against relationships. Yeah, Like I've heard men say, well
Speaker 1: women do it, And I mean when I say women
Speaker 1: do it, it's something that that is out of character,
Speaker 1: you know, that is not popular, something that's that's foul.
Speaker 1: They'll say, well, women do it. And now I've heard
Speaker 1: women say will men do it? Like again, these are
Speaker 1: when they say when men do it, they're assuming the
Speaker 1: value the value system of their person oppressor, whoever that
Speaker 1: person is, is a presser who they feel like has
Speaker 1: oppressed them in some kind of way. I don't understand
Speaker 1: the stooping to a level where you you abandon your values,
Speaker 1: you abandon your attributes to acquiesce to somebody else's shortcomings.
Speaker 2: Exactly. See what happens is we've adopted the same mentality
Speaker 2: toward relationships as our oppressor. Black people have what I
Speaker 2: call a versus mentality, meaning that it always has to
Speaker 2: be this rapper versus that rapper, who's your favorite, or
Speaker 2: this television show, this idea, whatever it is. It's a
Speaker 2: versus mentality, and whoever wins the versus whoever comes in
Speaker 2: second is irrelative. Right now, talking to a black child,
Speaker 2: a black child will say something like, you know, my
Speaker 2: mama did more for me than my daddy. My question
Speaker 2: to that child is who taught you to compare? If
Speaker 2: you say your mother did more for you, you're admitting
Speaker 2: that your dad has done something for you. Am I correct?
Speaker 2: But you want the man to compare or compete with
Speaker 2: the woman who laid on an operating table, a delivery table,
Speaker 2: and went to death's door to give you birth? Okay,
Speaker 2: But the question is who taught you to compare what
Speaker 2: your dad did for you. May God bless him, because
Speaker 2: it attributed to who you became, if you became somebody successful,
Speaker 2: what your mother did for you. It's beautiful. It attributed
Speaker 2: to you know who you are are if you became successful.
Speaker 2: But to make the comparative analysis between it's my daddy
Speaker 2: versus my mama. See, this is something that we've been
Speaker 2: programmed to do. That we got to get out of
Speaker 2: two black coffee shops on the same corner. Which one
Speaker 2: do you like this one versus that one? Well, they
Speaker 2: put a little too much sugar in theirs. What their
Speaker 2: coffee is fifteen cents a little bit more expensive than this.
Speaker 2: We're always finding a reason to be divided, and it's
Speaker 2: the Willy Lynch mentality. The slave mentality that teaches us
Speaker 2: to denegrate and degrade all things that are black. So
Speaker 2: what we do is we perpetuate the myth of black inferiority. See,
Speaker 2: we talk a lot about black white Excuse me, we
Speaker 2: talk a lot about white supremacy, but we don't talk
Speaker 2: about how you can I have white supremacy without including
Speaker 2: the myth of black inferiority. Black inferiority is what gives
Speaker 2: white supremacy its oxygen. So when somebody is on the
Speaker 2: Internet just scroll and looking for something black to criticize
Speaker 2: and to critique, they're perpetuating the myth of black inferiority.
Speaker 2: And as long as the myth of black inferiority is perpetuated,
Speaker 2: we can never be free as a people because we
Speaker 2: are then still adopting the value system of our oppressor.
Speaker 1: Man, let's talk about Professor Griff the Good Brother, Professor.
Speaker 2: Griff Salama Lacam Brother, Professor Griff.
Speaker 1: Lacam Man, Professor Griff is necessary. I came across a
Speaker 1: video from twenty twelve. Professor Griff, I like to go
Speaker 1: back in the annals of history the time and just
Speaker 1: see how certain ideologies match up in present day. Right,
Speaker 1: So I'm watching this video clip of Professor Griff making
Speaker 1: an assessment of hip hop, and he's talking about how
Speaker 1: these white kids who are the offsprings of the white executive,
Speaker 1: the executives and hip hop had started their own subsidiaries
Speaker 1: and one of the goals was to normalize the inward
Speaker 1: and one of the goals was also to emasculate black males.
Speaker 1: And Professor Griff predicted, he predicted that black males would
Speaker 1: be running around with purses and wearing skirts. They'll have
Speaker 1: these man versus and wearing skirts. And we see it
Speaker 1: in sports, yes, sir, we see it in hip hop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we see it in politics even and even in the streets.
Speaker 1: What's your take on metrosexuality and hip hop?
Speaker 2: That's a very good question. I really don't even know
Speaker 2: what the term metrosexuality means, but from my understanding of
Speaker 2: the term, my take on it is I think it's
Speaker 2: very dangerous. I think when you begin to blur the
Speaker 2: lines between manhood and femininity, then what you do is
Speaker 2: you begin to weaken the pool of men. In our culture.
Speaker 2: There are certain things that are said done, certain clothing
Speaker 2: and items that are worn. Nowadays, you couldn't get you
Speaker 2: couldn't get away with wearing a purse back in the
Speaker 2: nineties when we were listening to you know Nwa. But
Speaker 2: I believe that Professor griff was not only onto something.
Speaker 2: I believe that his mathematical calculation of what would be
Speaker 2: is now our reality. And I do believe that this
Speaker 2: was planned. I believe that there was a concerted effort
Speaker 2: to dehumanize, demonize, and emasculate the black male. Because as
Speaker 2: long as the black man is weakened, the black woman
Speaker 2: is fair game. As long as the black man is weakened,
Speaker 2: then there's no one there to protect black children. As
Speaker 2: long as the black man is weakened, the black community
Speaker 2: is like dust. What is dust? Dust is a particle
Speaker 2: of matter that used to be tied to something that
Speaker 2: had a function. So if you weaken and break down
Speaker 2: the black man, then black people are defenseless. And this
Speaker 2: is where we will find ourselves if real men don't
Speaker 2: stand up in our community and protect and defend first
Speaker 2: and foremost, the dignity of our ancestors, the dignity of
Speaker 2: our history, the dignity of our women, the dignity of
Speaker 2: our elders, the dignity of our children. We need strong men,
Speaker 2: not emasculated men. But another reason that I believe that,
Speaker 2: particularly in hip hop, that it was important to emasculate
Speaker 2: the male in hip hop is because an emasculated man
Speaker 2: is easier to steal from It's easier to take from him.
Speaker 2: So it's not a coincidence that you see the intellectual
Speaker 2: property of our rappers flying out the door. You know
Speaker 2: how when you go to a funeral and they have
Speaker 2: the doves, and as soon as they unlock that cage,
Speaker 2: the dove just takes off and never returns. That is
Speaker 2: how fast and how far the intellectual property of our
Speaker 2: great artists is flying out of our culture. And so
Speaker 2: you've got wealthy white families who are passing on the
Speaker 2: publishing of some of our greatest rappers to their children
Speaker 2: and grandchildren. Think about that our intellectual property have become
Speaker 2: their assets. And I think that that in and of
Speaker 2: itself is a form of emasculation. And it's not okay,
Speaker 2: you know what, because your intellectual property starts with your ideas.
Speaker 2: Where do your ideas come from? If you got a
Speaker 2: unique idea, that idea came from God, if you didn't
Speaker 2: steal it from somebody else, it came from God and
Speaker 2: it's given to you to express through your God given
Speaker 2: talent that should belong to you. But if you have
Speaker 2: been weakened and emasculated, it's easier for somebody to come
Speaker 2: and take it and you not say a damn thing
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: Little boys, reloaded podcasts will be right back after this week.
Speaker 1: You spoke at length about generational wealth, and that's what basically,
Speaker 1: when you're passing down assets from generation to generation, from
Speaker 1: your kids to your grandkids and so on, that's generational
Speaker 1: meaning meaning extended periods. Right. So I made a post recently.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw it. I need Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: this guy is talking about generational wealth and he says
Speaker 1: that it's become a catchphrase basically, and that you know,
Speaker 1: it's a marketing ploy, it's what he said something like that,
Speaker 1: and that he hates through word generational wealth because it
Speaker 1: puts undue pressure on black people to set up the
Speaker 1: generations after them, and this is why people are doing
Speaker 1: PPP loans and stuff to try to get generational wealth.
Speaker 1: And I was actually very I guess pleased that most
Speaker 1: of the people that was in the comments wrote that
Speaker 1: off like it's the most ridiculous thing that they've ever heard.
Speaker 1: Why is it difficult for some people to wrap their
Speaker 1: head around some people, and I'll say specifically Black people,
Speaker 1: to wrap their head around the importance of generational.
Speaker 2: Wealth because we have adopted the value system of our ancestors,
Speaker 2: and our ancestors never saw fit or never thought that
Speaker 2: we as a people should have anything.
Speaker 1: But I mean, you're speaking not not You're not speaking
Speaker 1: about all of our ancestors though, because many of our
Speaker 1: ancestors did make way for their their children.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they had to get it out the mud.
Speaker 2: You understand. What did I say, ancestors are oppressor?
Speaker 1: Well, even if we look at the oppressor, you know,
Speaker 1: like I mean, they've done pretty well. If you think
Speaker 1: about the Rockefellers and the Walters and the you know,
Speaker 1: the you know, any any of them. I mean even
Speaker 1: even you know, if you look at I hate to
Speaker 1: say his name, but even look at the Trumps. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You look at them, you look
Speaker 1: at other families, the bodies, yeah more recently, but even
Speaker 1: the Bush right, But they are the Hilton's passing it down,
Speaker 1: passing it down because the generational the way you achieve
Speaker 1: a generational wealth is you know, you're having assets. You
Speaker 1: know you have you have assets that where you uh,
Speaker 1: don't have to touch the principle. You're making so much
Speaker 1: money you never have to touch the principle and you
Speaker 1: pass that down and that's how you get to it.
Speaker 1: That's how you can say that, you know, Okay, we've
Speaker 1: set it up to where the generations after us are
Speaker 1: going to have it and we don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about that, right. But on the flip side of that
Speaker 1: is that I think one of the reasons why we
Speaker 1: don't get it is because we've been so wrapped up
Speaker 1: and just trying to survive. Every every one of our
Speaker 1: generations have had to face some type of oppression and
Speaker 1: and we've have to you know, we've we've have to
Speaker 1: try to walk through these minds, these these mind fields.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, it's booby traps everywhere, and
Speaker 1: a lot of it I think is just trying to
Speaker 1: you know, we've been focused on just surviving. Right now,
Speaker 1: this is probably our richest generation right now, Like we
Speaker 1: got money like out the anus, but we're not producing,
Speaker 1: we're consuming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we have money, but do most of us
Speaker 2: have wealth and I think that's the term that we
Speaker 2: have to look at more carefully because generational wealth most
Speaker 2: certainly represents assets, which includes money, real estate, stocks, bonds,
Speaker 2: like you say, anything that produces property, right property. But
Speaker 2: that's not the only thing that makes you wealthy. Now,
Speaker 2: I don't want to get away from the economics. And
Speaker 2: that's why I said, it's because we have a opted
Speaker 2: the value system of our oppressor, meaning that they never
Speaker 2: thought that black people were worthy of having anything. And
Speaker 2: if you, as a black person, even in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: adopt the value system of your oppressor, you still don't
Speaker 2: think that black people are worth having anything. See, we
Speaker 2: don't know how deep this self hatred thing goes. See
Speaker 2: you have some black people who have an opportunity for
Speaker 2: upward mobility, and sometimes they'll sabotage it because they don't
Speaker 2: believe that they deserve it. They may never admit it,
Speaker 2: but they'll sabotage it because they don't believe that they
Speaker 2: deserve it. If you hate your children, then you don't
Speaker 2: give a damn about passing anything on to them. You
Speaker 2: feel like they need to get it out at the
Speaker 2: mud just like you. So it owes back to knowledge
Speaker 2: of self. It goes back to love for self, and
Speaker 2: it goes back to reconfiguring our value system. We got
Speaker 2: to learn to see each other the way God sees
Speaker 2: us and not the way white people saw us and
Speaker 2: still see us to this very day. But I think
Speaker 2: generational wealth should also include health. Generational health because if
Speaker 2: you have a diet that flirts with diabetes, if you
Speaker 2: got a diet that flirts with heart disease, if you're
Speaker 2: raising your children on a diet that flirts with cancer,
Speaker 2: and you know you've got these things in your family,
Speaker 2: well you may not necessarily be passing down the disease
Speaker 2: to the next generation, but when you pass down those
Speaker 2: eating habits, you are in turn passing down that disease
Speaker 2: to the next generation. So generational wealth should also include health.
Speaker 2: It should include knowledge. We got to pass down the
Speaker 2: history to our children, and you know, all of those
Speaker 2: things that make one truly wealthy, because let's just be honest.
Speaker 2: We talked about the rock Rockefellers, we talked about the Trumps,
Speaker 2: we talked about you know, the Warburgs, and all of
Speaker 2: these other families that literally rule the world. But some
Speaker 2: of them are in hell they're wealthy, but they are
Speaker 2: in hell, and so I see a lot of billionaires
Speaker 2: will who are saying, you know what, all this money
Speaker 2: I made, I rather donate it to charity because they
Speaker 2: see that the money, the resources, and the relationship ships
Speaker 2: have done more to ruin their children than to help
Speaker 2: their children. So I do think that we you definitely
Speaker 2: need to focus on generational wealth as individuals, but we
Speaker 2: also have to focus on generational wealth as a collective
Speaker 2: of black people. We got to focus on generational wealth
Speaker 2: as a people.
Speaker 1: I'm with that. With that, I was watching this video
Speaker 1: of this woman out and bat and rouge. She had
Speaker 1: jumped the bus driver with her two daughters, a thirteen
Speaker 1: year old and eighteen year old. I mean, they beat
Speaker 1: the hell out of the bus driver, a female bus driver.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't even know what the fight was about,
Speaker 1: but they jumped her, beat the brakes off of her.
Speaker 1: Is there a way that we can like protect these
Speaker 1: bus drivers, because this is not the first fight that
Speaker 1: I've seen on the bus with parents jumping the bus
Speaker 1: driver or students jumping bus drivers. Is that something that
Speaker 1: can be done besides having an armed police officer with
Speaker 1: an AK forty seven standing at the front of the bus.
Speaker 1: Is that something that can be done to protect these
Speaker 1: bus drivers.
Speaker 2: That's a very good question. You know, bus drivers are
Speaker 2: being attacked, teachers are being attacked, pepper sprayed and so
Speaker 2: on and so forth. That's a good question. Will I
Speaker 2: do think that you need on site security not only
Speaker 2: at the schools, but you need on site security at
Speaker 2: at you know, on these buses, not just to protect
Speaker 2: the administrations, but to protect the students as well.
Speaker 1: Should they have guns.
Speaker 2: They I don't. I don't think that it is necessary
Speaker 2: for all of them to be armed, or any of
Speaker 2: them to be armed. I guess it just depends on
Speaker 2: the situation. But you need security who have the mindset
Speaker 2: of security being prevention. Now I'm a trained you know,
Speaker 2: security guide in the FOI. So when we go into
Speaker 2: the projects and when we go into the schools, we
Speaker 2: try to build relationships with the children so that we
Speaker 2: can catch a problem before the problem becomes a problem,
Speaker 2: if you understand what I'm saying. So there has to
Speaker 2: be security in there that that that that that that
Speaker 2: kind of unifies the element brings everybody together and that
Speaker 2: can work that situation. But right now, the reality in
Speaker 2: America is bro there's so much pressure in America right
Speaker 2: now mentally on people emotionally. Do you realize that we
Speaker 2: just reached over it. Two hundred mass shootings in this country.
Speaker 2: We're not even on the two hundredth day of the year.
Speaker 2: And so the culture of violence in that America has
Speaker 2: promoted for years because this country was built on violence,
Speaker 2: is coming back to hunt the country and it is
Speaker 2: destroying the country from within. So I do believe that
Speaker 2: there should be security at these schools. I don't think
Speaker 2: that because they already have armed security with police officers right,
Speaker 2: that's obviously not working. But I think we need the
Speaker 2: type of security that could unify the campus, the type
Speaker 2: of security that can make certain that these children have
Speaker 2: a voice, and that can come in and do what's
Speaker 2: called conflict resolution. The problem is to catch the problem
Speaker 2: before it gets out of hand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sort of like when you're out as an artist.
Speaker 1: The best security is the security that doesn't have to fight,
Speaker 1: the security that doesn't have to, you know, dodge bullets
Speaker 1: and stuff. Because they're focused on prevention. They can see
Speaker 1: things happening, They can see things that might happen, that
Speaker 1: could happen, So they go in and they secure the
Speaker 1: VIP they secure the entire room or club or venue
Speaker 1: or whatever. They make sure that they know the easy end,
Speaker 1: the easy out, and it's fast, it's moving like that
Speaker 1: boom boom. That's that's good security. These guys that come
Speaker 1: in they put the gloves on and walk in like
Speaker 1: this and they got the menace in face. When when
Speaker 1: your patrons come up to the door or whatever, and
Speaker 1: are they walking in with their client and their mean
Speaker 1: mugging people get out the way. These are horrible security people.
Speaker 1: They got thet they got the wrong idea about about security.
Speaker 1: But speaking to secure in schools, it hasn't worked. I
Speaker 1: think primarily because of what you said. These people that
Speaker 1: work in these schools are not invested in the community,
Speaker 1: do you guys in the FOI are invested in the community.
Speaker 1: In fact, you started, you know this security detail so
Speaker 1: that you know with your people in mind, like I'm
Speaker 1: going to protect my people. I don't want to you
Speaker 1: going in like I don't want no problems with my people.
Speaker 1: I don't want to put my hands on anybody. That's
Speaker 1: the last thing that I want to do. A lot
Speaker 1: of these security people that they hire, they go in
Speaker 1: and that's the first thing they want to do. They
Speaker 1: want to put their hands on our babies, right, they
Speaker 1: look into it. And I'm not saying that some of
Speaker 1: these kids are not wild, right, They're not wild and
Speaker 1: out of control or whatever, and they don't need to
Speaker 1: be restrained in some kind of way. But restraint is
Speaker 1: different from just beating their breaks off kids and picking
Speaker 1: them up and slamming them down and all that. They
Speaker 1: don't have to do that, and I've seen that happen many, many,
Speaker 1: many times, and I think this, it's very, very dangerous
Speaker 1: to have these type of people around our kids. And
Speaker 1: I suspect that's what they have on those buses, if
Speaker 1: they put armed security on those buses, and if they
Speaker 1: continue to put armed security in these schools. I've seen
Speaker 1: in some situations where they've dialed back. You know, with
Speaker 1: these resource offices, what.
Speaker 2: They need to do is they have to send someone
Speaker 2: from the community who understands the plight of these young
Speaker 2: brothers and sisters. You know, I grew up in the
Speaker 2: projects myself for the better part of my childhood. My
Speaker 2: mother had a very very terrible drug problem, So I
Speaker 2: know what it's like growing up in household with a
Speaker 2: mother or a parent who has a substance abuse issue
Speaker 2: that renders him or her powerless, meaning that they don't
Speaker 2: know how to be a mother under these conditions, don't
Speaker 2: know how to be a father under conditions. But I
Speaker 2: still had to go to school. So when I hauled
Speaker 2: off and stole somebody in the jaw, you know, back
Speaker 2: in the day, it may not be that what that
Speaker 2: person did or said to me was really, you know,
Speaker 2: that bad. But I was a ticking time bomb.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: I was talking to a young lady the other day,
Speaker 2: and she's a young lady. She's in school, she's doing
Speaker 2: well for herself, and she started talking about her parents,
Speaker 2: and she talked about how her mother passed away when
Speaker 2: she was four years old and how she's never gotten
Speaker 2: over that. So I said, what about your dad? She said, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't have no good relationship with him either. So
Speaker 2: I made the mistake of asking why. She said, well,
Speaker 2: you know, when I was a senior in high school,
Speaker 2: I had to start dancing. I say, dancing, what you mean,
Speaker 2: dancing on the dance team on the football field. She
Speaker 2: started laughing. No, I started stripping. I said, okay, she said,
Speaker 2: but my dad got mad at me because I wouldn't
Speaker 2: allow him to manage my money. So I got kicked
Speaker 2: out the house. I said, this is your biological father.
Speaker 2: She said, yeah, a child that's going through something like that.
Speaker 2: What kind of mindset do you think she's gonna have
Speaker 2: when she goes to school? You think she really give
Speaker 2: a damn that Abraham Lincoln quote unquote free the slaves. See,
Speaker 2: you gotta have somebody in the school that understands what
Speaker 2: she's going through and has the kind of compassion where
Speaker 2: they can reach her. You know, that can de escalate
Speaker 2: a situation, that could see it before it's you know
Speaker 2: how it is back in the day when we was
Speaker 2: in the club, you could just feel when somebody was
Speaker 2: about to start shooting. It's a sixth sense that you
Speaker 2: have for your own people. And if you bring a
Speaker 2: police officer from you know, the Woods, cut and Shoot
Speaker 2: Texas or whatever into a school in the hood, you
Speaker 2: give him a badge, you give him a gun, and
Speaker 2: you tell him, I need you to tame these wild
Speaker 2: animals in here. That's what he's there to do. He's
Speaker 2: not there to de escalate. He's there to be a
Speaker 2: force to either lock them up or get them kicked out.
Speaker 2: So there's just not enough compassion in the schools for
Speaker 2: what these children are going through. Now, that does not
Speaker 2: excuse you putting your hands on somebody. That's a whole different,
Speaker 2: you know, conversation. But the schools have become clownhouses, brother
Speaker 2: will and I hate to say it, but all they
Speaker 2: doing is babysitting half the time. In some cases, when
Speaker 2: you walk through these schools, you feel like you are
Speaker 2: in a prison because that's what the atmosphere feels like.
Speaker 2: But every now and then there are a few teachers
Speaker 2: in that school that makes that place worth going for
Speaker 2: the students, and we just need more of that.
Speaker 1: So would a good solution be to start early, like
Speaker 1: start like get reaching these kids at pre k kindergarten.
Speaker 1: And you're doing that, but you're also dealing with what's
Speaker 1: happening in real time right with the kids of age.
Speaker 1: Because it's very possible to walk into bubblegum. You know,
Speaker 1: two things can be true at a time at the
Speaker 1: same time, two things can be done to attack a
Speaker 1: problem at once. Oftentimes we tend to say, hey, it's
Speaker 1: one way or the other, not the one thing or
Speaker 1: that's it. And we love putting band aids on gun.
Speaker 2: Shaps exactly exactly exactly. I think one of the problems
Speaker 2: is the school is more of a factory where they
Speaker 2: just send everybody through the same process, no matter what
Speaker 2: might be going on at home. I think that more
Speaker 2: has to be done to identify the needs of each
Speaker 2: particular student.
Speaker 1: But we're under attack though, if you think about it,
Speaker 1: we're under attack because the schools are actually operating exactly
Speaker 1: how they intended for them to operate. The fights with
Speaker 1: the kids and the schools, the kids fighting, the teachers
Speaker 1: fighting the bus drivers, this was planned, brother, This is
Speaker 1: all part of the agenda the school.
Speaker 2: To pine exactly.
Speaker 1: It's part of the whole thing. You know, you're disciplining
Speaker 1: your kids, they can call the police. I'm not even
Speaker 1: talking about beating kids to where they skin break. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying you can't even touch a catch child. The
Speaker 1: kid got the phone, right, Donald, I'm a call. So
Speaker 1: they already know you take the discipline out of out
Speaker 1: of the home. They already know what's going to happen, exactly,
Speaker 1: And so I think that it's breaking exactly the way
Speaker 1: that they intended to intended for it to work. And
Speaker 1: I think in order for us to counter it, we're
Speaker 1: going to have to have think tank groups, think tank groups.
Speaker 1: Just like they have think tank groups to implement programs
Speaker 1: and initiatives to harm us, we have to have think
Speaker 1: tank groups to implement initiatives to counter theirs and to
Speaker 1: improve our situations. You know, like we have to be
Speaker 1: ready for that and strike it down before it ever
Speaker 1: becomes law, because you know, they'll go in the back
Speaker 1: room and make a lawry like write a lawteryal quick
Speaker 1: and boom, and now that it's law, it don't matter
Speaker 1: how foul or the gender it is, they run with
Speaker 1: it because you know, we got some people who are
Speaker 1: just programmed and say, well, you know, that's the law
Speaker 1: and the law.
Speaker 2: Right, especially when that the law works to their advantage.
Speaker 2: They love to lean on the law when it works
Speaker 2: to their advantage. When it doesn't work to their advantage,
Speaker 2: they just go change the law like changing the pair
Speaker 2: draws right, you know. But I believe that I agree
Speaker 2: we need think tank groups, but we also need we
Speaker 2: need execution, And I agree, but that would.
Speaker 1: Agree, I mean that would include execution.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely absolutely, And if we first of all, we
Speaker 2: have to accept the fact that there is a school
Speaker 2: to prison pipeline. Some of us are still in denial.
Speaker 2: And if the think tank group is to try to
Speaker 2: counter that, well, what does the CounterPunch look like? School
Speaker 2: to prison pipeline? So how do we create a school
Speaker 2: to purpose pipeline. That's the way that thought process would work.
Speaker 2: But we are at a point that's so critical right now,
Speaker 2: Brother Will that I don't think that we can any
Speaker 2: longer get around what the most honorable Elijah Muhammad taught
Speaker 2: that we should do, and that is for us to
Speaker 2: position ourselves to teach and educate our own children. Ultimately,
Speaker 2: if we want to be able to control the education
Speaker 2: in our community, we got to open up our own schools.
Speaker 2: And it's not something that cannot be done. It is
Speaker 2: being done on a smaller scale. But we as a
Speaker 2: people have to realize that just as our great brother
Speaker 2: said that you cannot expect justice from a system that
Speaker 2: was not created to give you that in the first place,
Speaker 2: that was WB do, you can't expect education from a
Speaker 2: system that was not created to give you an education
Speaker 2: that empowers you. Let's be honest. The American education system
Speaker 2: was designed to create a population of employees, a population
Speaker 2: of workers. So everywhere you have in HBCU, when I
Speaker 2: speak at HBCUs, I tell them, you know, it's not
Speaker 2: a coincidence that they teach you in HBCUs how to
Speaker 2: go and conduct yourself in an interview. They tell you
Speaker 2: what to wear, how to talk, how to sit, you know,
Speaker 2: whether you should wear your natural hair or not. They
Speaker 2: teach you what to do to go and get a job,
Speaker 2: but they don't teach enough how you can take your
Speaker 2: gifts and your talents and your knowledge to go and
Speaker 2: make a job for yourself. But right up the street
Speaker 2: at the PWU, they're teaching them how to be CEOs.
Speaker 2: At Harvard, they're teaching them how to be CEOs. And
Speaker 2: the goal is for the HBCU graduate to have to
Speaker 2: go to the Harvard graduate to get a job. And
Speaker 2: we have to circumvent that. We have to circumvint that.
Speaker 2: So in this particular, there are two educational systems in America.
Speaker 2: One is for black and poor people, all right, And
Speaker 2: in this educational system you're taught how to become an employee.
Speaker 2: But in the elite educational system, they teach you how
Speaker 2: to become president. Even if you're a dummy, you can
Speaker 2: be a c student. Look at George Bush Junior is
Speaker 2: George Bush Junior or was either third? I don't know. Yeah, Junior,
Speaker 2: how do you become the president and you are a
Speaker 2: C student?
Speaker 1: You dumb like Trump? Just a regular dummy like Trump,
Speaker 1: you know with the hugest word that he can use
Speaker 1: is huge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's classism for that, and it's a
Speaker 2: cast system. So in order for us to escape it,
Speaker 2: we have to create what in the Nation of Islam
Speaker 2: is called a new educational paradigm. That means that we
Speaker 2: have to do away with the old way, with the
Speaker 2: European way, with the American way of educating black children,
Speaker 2: and get the best and brightest of our educators and
Speaker 2: teachers together and find a way to create our own
Speaker 2: curriculum and educate our own children. That's the only way
Speaker 2: they'll reach their full potential.
Speaker 1: Little boys reloaded podcasts which we break back after this week. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, once that movement starts to happen, that America
Speaker 1: is going to dangle the bag in front of the
Speaker 1: educators and say, hey, come on over here. You know,
Speaker 1: they're gonna try to steal our educators and put them
Speaker 1: right back into that system, that oppressive system, you know,
Speaker 1: like and so it goes it goes back to the money,
Speaker 1: because that's to go. It's always to go to snatch
Speaker 1: up our best. As soon as they see one of
Speaker 1: us rising, and they see one of us, we articulate,
Speaker 1: we can we're charismatic, we're smart. You know we can,
Speaker 1: we can lead. They try to pluck you up and
Speaker 1: get you to go work for them and so that
Speaker 1: they can neutralize your progression, so that you can't help
Speaker 1: your own people. See, once they take you from your
Speaker 1: people and put you over there, then now you're in
Speaker 1: the system, and now you working for them, and now
Speaker 1: they control you. And then you know, once you do that,
Speaker 1: you know, you kind of get comfortable with that paycheck
Speaker 1: and that status that you have over there, and that's
Speaker 1: why you turn your back on your own people and say, man,
Speaker 1: I got it out the mud I did for myself.
Speaker 1: Get it like I got it. I ain't going back
Speaker 1: over there. But everybody goes back, even if they're not
Speaker 1: going and hanging out on the block. They're stroking a check. Everybody,
Speaker 1: all of the all of the groups out there, give back. Financially,
Speaker 1: they couldn't survive, they couldn't even make it. They couldn't
Speaker 1: even make it without doing that. It's expected, but they
Speaker 1: want to do it, and it's expected. Let's cover this.
Speaker 1: Let's cover this, this extant Thasian case. Exton Than's killer
Speaker 1: was addressed by the judge. One of his killers, you know,
Speaker 1: he had, three of them were sentenced to life in prison.
Speaker 2: Just the little brother that got killed in Florida.
Speaker 1: Yes, right, very very talented dude, I mean broke more
Speaker 1: heart man. I heard it was special, very talented, mean,
Speaker 1: just just exceptional, very wise for his age. And for
Speaker 1: him to get gunned down in a robbery because somebody
Speaker 1: wanted his money that he worked for. Uh, it was
Speaker 1: just it was it was hurtful. But the judge, as
Speaker 1: he's sentencing one of the killers, Michael boltwright, he's he's
Speaker 1: describing this mundaneans, the mundaneness of what the prison experience
Speaker 1: is going to look like for him doing life in prison.
Speaker 1: And the judge said, when you took that gun and
Speaker 1: you discuided to squeeze that trigger, you effectively ended five lives,
Speaker 1: including your own. And he said for the next he said,
Speaker 1: he said, you know, every when you leave here talking
Speaker 1: about the courtroom, when you leave here, and I'm obviously paraphrasing,
Speaker 1: but when you leave here, you're going to be taken
Speaker 1: to a prison where you'll spend every day, where you'll
Speaker 1: spend every hour, every day, every week, every year in
Speaker 1: that cell. And then one day they're going to come
Speaker 1: in in the morning and you will have passed on
Speaker 1: and they'll come get you, and only then will you
Speaker 1: have served your sentence. But he also described the jail cell.
Speaker 1: He said, you're going to spend every hour, every day,
Speaker 1: every week, every year in that cell. And you're going
Speaker 1: to have a and iron what he said, in a
Speaker 1: metal bed, a metal bed attached to a wall, and
Speaker 1: you also have a metal sink and a metal toilet.
Speaker 1: That'll be your furniture for the rest of your life.
Speaker 1: And you could you could see dude with all that
Speaker 1: postureing he had been doing. I saw him laughing, like
Speaker 1: you know, a week or so ago and and trial,
Speaker 1: but all of that was gone. I think if it
Speaker 1: finally hit him, this is my life. Think about that.
Speaker 1: Like we got furniture at home, sometimes we get we
Speaker 1: get tired of the furniture within a few months, be
Speaker 1: ready to change, move stuff around, at the very least
Speaker 1: moving around. I can't stand looking at this like this
Speaker 1: any longer. But that's his furniture for the rest of
Speaker 1: his life. And in Florida, life is life. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so what And the program that you run is what's
Speaker 1: the name of it, smart Enough, smart Enough Black Male Summit,
Speaker 1: the Black Male Summit, smart Enough, where you work with
Speaker 1: these black males, many of them who are at risk.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
Speaker 1: What is it that you tell them? And what is
Speaker 1: it that you teach them? What do you show them
Speaker 1: to avoid ending up in a situation like Michael Bolt
Speaker 1: writing those others who killed.
Speaker 2: Ex Yes, sir, We try to make it clear to
Speaker 2: them that the most profound the most profound form of
Speaker 2: mathematics is not algebra, it's not trigonometry. The most profound
Speaker 2: form of mathematics is being able to calculate future consequences
Speaker 2: for current decisions. See in that moment, that young man
Speaker 2: who killed x extent Tashion was calculating the future consequences
Speaker 2: of his actions, and he was asking himself the question
Speaker 2: was it worth it? Was it worth it? See? When
Speaker 2: the clown is at the circus and the crowd is there,
Speaker 2: he feels useful, he feels important, he feels relevant because
Speaker 2: he's entertaining the crowd. But when the crowd is gone,
Speaker 2: and the clown looks in the mirror he realizes what
Speaker 2: he is. A clown. Wow, a crash dummy. In that moment,
Speaker 2: standing in front of that judge, he realized what he
Speaker 2: really was. You ain't no damn killer, You ain't no
Speaker 2: damn goon, You ain't no damn gang member. You ain't
Speaker 2: no no damn step up. Use a clown right now.
Speaker 2: And the crowd is gone, The people that you were
Speaker 2: dancing for gone. You wanted to rob him so that
Speaker 2: you could buy a car to impress the crowd, so
Speaker 2: you could buy the clothes to impress the crowd. But
Speaker 2: the crowd is gone. Now you're left alone, which is
Speaker 2: you and the consequences of your actions. So we try
Speaker 2: to get through to these young brothers that this ain't
Speaker 2: no damn game. We out here playing for keeps, and
Speaker 2: a crash dummy is somebody who was willing to do
Speaker 2: anything to be accepted as somebody that he was not
Speaker 2: born to be. So we have to be about the
Speaker 2: business of trying to create options for these young brother
Speaker 2: When people see Willie d drive by in that nice
Speaker 2: vehicle that I passed by on the way in, When
Speaker 2: the youngster see you drive by. Yeah, I want that,
Speaker 2: And there's nothing wrong with them wanting that. But what
Speaker 2: they have to understand is that that didn't come free.
Speaker 2: That came with blood, sweat, tears, and years. And that's
Speaker 2: what we're trying to teach them, that the long game
Speaker 2: is better than the short game. See. The long game
Speaker 2: puts you in a position where you can create generational wealth.
Speaker 2: But the short game trying to rob somebody of their
Speaker 2: hard earned money. The short game robbing a damn liquor
Speaker 2: store and people don't even care cash no more, talk
Speaker 2: about a crash dummy. The short game selling poison and
Speaker 2: pushing poison into your community, and the same dope fiend
Speaker 2: that you're selling the poison to might come back and
Speaker 2: blow your damn head off when he don't have the
Speaker 2: money to get the dope from you. See, the short
Speaker 2: game will cause you to pass on generational hell. Not
Speaker 2: generational wealth, but generational hell. Because guess what if you
Speaker 2: go to prison and you got to do thirty years,
Speaker 2: and let's say you got a child on the way,
Speaker 2: that child does every last one of them, every day
Speaker 2: of that thirty years with you, that child doing time too,
Speaker 2: because they're out here unprotected, not cared for. You're not
Speaker 2: in a position where you can provide for your child,
Speaker 2: so they doing time too. So these are some of
Speaker 2: the things that we try to get over to these
Speaker 2: young brothers. You know that your life is way worth
Speaker 2: It's worth way more then what it is that you
Speaker 2: think you're gonna get trying to take some from somebody,
Speaker 2: especially after they have worked hard for what they've gotten.
Speaker 1: When I was on my way up trying to get it,
Speaker 1: battling at rying stone, wrangling, Yeah, going to Joe's on
Speaker 1: Monday nights, knocking on doors, selling newspaper subscriptions and writing
Speaker 1: in between doors and waiting on my supervisor to pick
Speaker 1: me up and take me to the next location. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The entire time, I'm thinking, like I'm seeing I'm seeing
Speaker 1: other guys who already got it. Yeah, but they got
Speaker 1: it by ill means. I didn't wish bad on them,
Speaker 1: but I knew that that was short term, like he
Speaker 1: probably gonna end up dead in jail, because basically, I mean,
Speaker 1: I wasn't a genius. I just looked at the odds,
Speaker 1: like everybody else that I know was going to jail
Speaker 1: and getting killed, you know, or getting aimed so that
Speaker 1: was just how it was, and I was thinking, I'm
Speaker 1: always I've always been a long, long, long term dude,
Speaker 1: a long goal, you know, like I'm always looking for
Speaker 1: the big play, long play longevity. To me, it ain't
Speaker 1: how you start, it's how you end. So the little
Speaker 1: having the money for a short period of time has
Speaker 1: never interested me because I never want to be the
Speaker 1: dude who talk about what I used to do or
Speaker 1: what I used to have. It's like I got it now,
Speaker 1: you know. And so a lot of guys who had
Speaker 1: it then they ain't got it now. And they and
Speaker 1: they every time they got out, some of them, most
Speaker 1: of them, every time they got out, they went right
Speaker 1: back to the same thing, got pot, went right back
Speaker 1: the same thing, got pop. And at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, it's kind of like a gambler. At the
Speaker 1: end of the day, all you got is a lot
Speaker 1: of lost time, you down, perhaps you broke even.
Speaker 2: That's the worst thing you can lose.
Speaker 1: At the best, and for most gamblers, the best that
Speaker 1: they can hope for is to break even. Most gamblers
Speaker 1: lose lose everything. There's only a few that can say
Speaker 1: I won. But even the winners, the time that they
Speaker 1: commit to gambling, the time that they spend away from
Speaker 1: their families in the streets hustling, and the time that
Speaker 1: they spent on worrying, stressing on the money and how
Speaker 1: to get it and how to get it back and
Speaker 1: watching that back and being in that element, because that's
Speaker 1: a dark element to being in that type of environment,
Speaker 1: you know, And I've been there. That's why I could
Speaker 1: speak on it. Yeah, I did it all. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's definitely it was not worth it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And in our last conversation, I don't know if
Speaker 2: it was on a podcast or a personal conversation, you
Speaker 2: talked about the moment when you decided that you wanted
Speaker 2: to live. You know, there are a lot of young
Speaker 2: brothers out here who are in such a dark place
Speaker 2: that they've not yet decided that they want to live.
Speaker 2: So they'll risk their lives trying to get a bag
Speaker 2: because worst case scenario, I'll die in the process. Either
Speaker 2: I'm gonna die I'm gonna get rich. That young man
Speaker 2: who was standing in front of that jadge that you
Speaker 2: just told me about, he probably wished that he had.
Speaker 2: He would rather be dead than facing what he's facing
Speaker 2: right now, because a life sentence is essentially that your
Speaker 2: life is over. So if there are any young brothers
Speaker 2: who might be listening to us right now, make the
Speaker 2: decision to live today. And once you've made the decision
Speaker 2: that you want to have a life, then God damn it,
Speaker 2: you have to adjust your lifestyle to somebody who's finna
Speaker 2: live and not somebody who fixing to die. Stop watching
Speaker 2: the clock thinking that you're gonna die tomorrow, because guess what,
Speaker 2: you just might live. And if God blesses you to
Speaker 2: stay alive, you only be able to look at the
Speaker 2: past five, ten, fifteen years and say that you made
Speaker 2: decisions that will advantageous to your future, advantageous to your children.
Speaker 2: God damn it. You know they got Mother's Day coming up.
Speaker 2: I tell people all the time. I tell brothers all
Speaker 2: the time, Hey, man, your life is your letter to
Speaker 2: your mama. Your life, that's your letter to your mama.
Speaker 2: Make sure that it is a letter that she would
Speaker 2: be proud reading, whether she's dead or alive. But I
Speaker 2: said this at I said this at a conference this weekend.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: It was called mastering Manhood, and we were talking about
Speaker 2: we got a master manhood so we could be better
Speaker 2: fathers to our children, better husbands to our wives, better
Speaker 2: leaders to our community. And I said, yeah, that's true,
Speaker 2: that's fine, But I feel like, as black men, we
Speaker 2: have to adopt a new mindset. Yeah, we want to
Speaker 2: be better husbands, leaders, and fathers, But what about me
Speaker 2: want to do better for me? What about me wanting
Speaker 2: to be healthier for my damn self? What about me
Speaker 2: wanting to be a better person, a better man for me?
Speaker 2: We don't even think like that because we have not
Speaker 2: been taught as black men, how to even give a
Speaker 2: damn about ourselves. Why because at every turn we're judged
Speaker 2: on how we take care of other people. We're not
Speaker 2: judged on how well we take care of ourselves. But
Speaker 2: we are in a health epidemic and a health crisis
Speaker 2: as black men because we don't take care of ourselves.
Speaker 2: We're dying like ninety going north from heart disease, prostate cancer,
Speaker 2: you name it. We dying from it. You can't take
Speaker 2: care of nobody dead where y'are. You can if you
Speaker 2: leave them, you know the life insurance policy. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: if you're not here to teach them what to do
Speaker 2: with it, they still gonna end up broke.
Speaker 1: But the person that's moving reckless they're not thinking life
Speaker 1: insurance policy anyway, right, These type people, they're not thinking
Speaker 1: like that. You know, I was one of those type
Speaker 1: of people. You don't think about that. It's going back
Speaker 1: to what you're saying. I didn't get it. I didn't
Speaker 1: figure it out till I started caring about my life.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want to die like a
Speaker 1: dog in the.
Speaker 2: Street, right, And I don't want to live like a dog.
Speaker 2: And I don't I don't like a dog.
Speaker 1: I don't want to die like a dog. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't even I don't even want to, you know,
Speaker 1: put certain things in my body that I know that
Speaker 1: it's going to what you call it. You called it,
Speaker 1: uh something about diabetes. And you were saying, anyway, I.
Speaker 2: Don't want to generational health.
Speaker 1: None, No, yeah, generational health. But you was you were saying,
Speaker 1: leaning toward diabetes or something some words, some phrases use diabetic.
Speaker 2: I got you, uh uh.
Speaker 1: But I don't want to be doing all this stuff, man,
Speaker 1: and then end up at the doctor and they tell
Speaker 1: me that I got something that could have been prevented
Speaker 1: by just my lifestyle. You know, I don't want to
Speaker 1: end up in a in a wheelchair paralyzed sitting on
Speaker 1: the porch. Can't go nowhere and let somebody take me
Speaker 1: because I participated in some activities that I didn't have to,
Speaker 1: and I already know this is what comes with it,
Speaker 1: and I did it anyway. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: that dude. So it's like, once I decided that I
Speaker 1: love myself and I don't want nobody, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't want nobody just shooting me, stabbing me. I take
Speaker 1: offense to that. I don't want to get stabbed. You know,
Speaker 1: I want to get shot. I don't want to have
Speaker 1: my body maimed. You know. I love my body, so
Speaker 1: I don't want it. I don't want nobody doing anything
Speaker 1: in my body. That's why I defended so well. So
Speaker 1: once I started doing that, you love yourself first to
Speaker 1: your point, and then you can consider loving others. Right,
Speaker 1: So that's why I was with that. Man. But you
Speaker 1: said a mouthful man, and I appreciate you coming over
Speaker 1: and sharing your wisdom.
Speaker 2: Man, I appreciate well.
Speaker 1: You knocked it out the park again. How you do that? Man?
Speaker 1: If you was a baseball player, man, you probably get
Speaker 1: the first billion out of contract. Oh brother, man, you
Speaker 1: have a billion on a contract out there, yet.
Speaker 2: I have no idea. To God be the glory. To
Speaker 2: God be the glory. Man, thanks for having me, brother,
Speaker 2: Will and Man. Conversations with you are like watershed moments
Speaker 2: for me, whether it's on a podcast or just a
Speaker 2: personal conversation. Man, I really really see you and know
Speaker 2: you to be one of the realists, not just have
Speaker 2: not one of the realists to just have ever wrapped,
Speaker 2: but one of the realists who to just have ever breathed. So, Man,
Speaker 2: thank you for being you. And to anyone who might
Speaker 2: be listening to this conversation, know that both Will and
Speaker 2: Not understand that we could have just hipped a little
Speaker 2: bit to the left, to hipped a little bit to
Speaker 2: the right, and we wouldn't be in the position that
Speaker 2: we're in today. So we don't judge, but we come
Speaker 2: to the subject matter until the table with compassion. We're
Speaker 2: doing all we can to try to pour as much
Speaker 2: into the next generation. And I think that in and
Speaker 2: of itself, like what we're doing on this podcast right now,
Speaker 2: if some younger brothers are listening and they take hold
Speaker 2: of what we're saying, we're passing on the form of
Speaker 2: generational will for the community right now. And I feel
Speaker 2: good about that.
Speaker 1: And that's important to say, man, because it's easy. It
Speaker 1: would be very very easy for you or I to
Speaker 1: just go do whatever we want to do and get paid,
Speaker 1: you know, live a nice comfortable.
Speaker 2: Life and not be and not be concerned.
Speaker 1: Exactly with Yeah, we're both sharp individuals, we're intelligent. You know,
Speaker 1: we got connections, you know, we got resources. We do
Speaker 1: we want to do. But what we're doing right now,
Speaker 1: this is this is uh, this is this is perhaps
Speaker 1: the most important thing that we could be doing. And
Speaker 1: it's very very dangerous. It is you see, That's what
Speaker 1: people don't understand, Like when you start putting information out
Speaker 1: to help black folks, that's dangerous. Yeah, and you're not
Speaker 1: going to just get You're not just gonna be targeted
Speaker 1: by you know those people. You're gonna be targeted by
Speaker 1: your people. Yeah, so you got those exactly, those Ryan
Speaker 1: those seas start with a see rhyme.
Speaker 2: With moons, Yeah, exactly exactly. They're those among us who
Speaker 2: want to convince us that there is no hope for
Speaker 2: the young brother, you know, standing at the bus stop
Speaker 2: on Homestead with the pistol, you know, trying to see
Speaker 2: what his next move is But I remember when that
Speaker 2: was really d I'm telling you, like, I watch you
Speaker 2: go from that to this and to wherever else you're going,
Speaker 2: So I know it could be done. When I look
Speaker 2: in the mirror and I see what God has done
Speaker 2: for me, I know that it could be done. So
Speaker 2: no matter what condition I find one of these little
Speaker 2: youngsters in, I see that in them is a greatness
Speaker 2: that has the potential to surpass yours and mine put together,
Speaker 2: The question becomes, how can I get him to see
Speaker 2: his own greatness. It's one thing for me to believe
Speaker 2: in you, but how can I get you to believe
Speaker 2: in yourself? And that's the challenge, brother, But we accept
Speaker 2: the challenge and we're up for it.
Speaker 1: And that's why I give grace because we've already taken
Speaker 1: that journey. Yeah, and I know, yeah, like the same
Speaker 1: thing that they're getting right now, the same backlash year.
Speaker 1: They're getting the same criticism, critiquing, you know, the smoke
Speaker 1: that they get. I got it. But you know what
Speaker 1: made me, what made me get through it, what helped
Speaker 1: me get through it, was the belief in myself. It
Speaker 1: didn't matter what everybody else was saying. Yeah, even my
Speaker 1: own family. My own sister said I need to stop
Speaker 1: this rap thing, go get a job, and she stopped
Speaker 1: saying that when I bought her that the first time
Speaker 1: I bought it. Suv what I'm saying. So, so I
Speaker 1: know I've been there, and I know, and I thank
Speaker 1: you for saying that.
Speaker 2: Mannah, it's real, bro, and I know were running out
Speaker 2: of time. But when you see somebody you remember brother
Speaker 2: named Hilton West.
Speaker 1: From absolutely Okay.
Speaker 2: I remember when Hilton West got killed by a police officer.
Speaker 2: I seen him, maybe I was with him fifteen minutes
Speaker 2: before he got killed. That was my first time seeing
Speaker 2: somebody lifeless right after I saw him alive. And it
Speaker 2: was a daunting experience for me. Right, So, to see
Speaker 2: somebody dead right after you saw them alive, that's a shock.
Speaker 2: But to see somebody go from abject to poverty and
Speaker 2: just watched them over the years go through the vicissitudes
Speaker 2: in life, and you know, you see them become you
Speaker 2: know who they become talking about you? Hey, brother, that
Speaker 2: right there gives you faith and belief that it can
Speaker 2: happen for anybody. When the brother Jay Prince put out
Speaker 2: his book, I went to his book signing in Houston
Speaker 2: because I had to go and support him. And you know,
Speaker 2: we all from the same neighborhood. This was a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago. I'm in there, brother, and I'm seeing
Speaker 2: so many brothers who went to jail in the nineties,
Speaker 2: got thirty years and just coming home. I'm like, whoa
Speaker 2: I'm talking about? These are all childhood friends. And a
Speaker 2: voice kept, you know, playing in the back of my head.
Speaker 2: You know this could have been you, right.
Speaker 1: E Jesus easy, Well, thank god it was you, man,
Speaker 1: and thank god we got you. And thank God that
Speaker 1: you've been using your body, your time, your influence, your
Speaker 1: wisdom to you know, to help all these other youngsters
Speaker 1: out here man that might be going through the same thing.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. The Great, the Honorable Derek Muhammad, the homie,
Speaker 1: what's up baby?
Speaker 2: I love you, my brother, Peace, love.
Speaker 1: You back man. No mo talk, No more talk. This
Speaker 1: episode was produced by a King and brought to you
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