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Speaker 1: with another episode of information and instructions to help you

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Speaker 1: navigate through this wild, crazy, beautiful world. In the studio,

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Speaker 1: My brother, my brother, Derek Muhammad, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, man, Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Brother, It's and honor to be here.

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Speaker 1: Man. You are a crowd favor man. They like what

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Speaker 1: you had to say about about pretty much everything, but

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Speaker 1: young black males and what we have to do to

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Speaker 2: It's a very underrepresented subject. It is. It's the mathematical

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Speaker 2: What do we do with the black male? And the

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Speaker 2: I tell people all the time, you know, the moment

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Speaker 1: And where you would be if black people had given

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Speaker 1: be if black people had said, I don't give down

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Speaker 1: Will imagine where this country would be. It definitely would

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Speaker 2: No, she certainly wouldn't be as rich as she is,

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Speaker 2: she wouldn't be as wealthy as she is, she would

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Speaker 1: Well, it's so hard about recognizing that.

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Speaker 2: That's a good question, that's the good question. The problem

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Speaker 2: you can never obtain your freedom if you have adopted

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Speaker 2: it's obvious he don't see no value in you. If

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Speaker 2: And this is the mundane formula that pretty much has

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Speaker 2: But to make the comparative analysis between it's my daddy

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Speaker 2: We're always finding a reason to be divided, and it's

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Speaker 2: the Willy Lynch mentality. The slave mentality that teaches us

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Speaker 2: we talk a lot about black white Excuse me, we

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Speaker 1: Man, let's talk about Professor Griff the Good Brother, Professor.

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Speaker 2: Griff Salama Lacam Brother, Professor Griff.

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Speaker 1: Lacam Man, Professor Griff is necessary. I came across a

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Speaker 1: So I'm watching this video clip of Professor Griff making

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Speaker 1: And Professor Griff predicted, he predicted that black males would

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Speaker 1: What's your take on metrosexuality and hip hop?

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Speaker 2: That's a very good question. I really don't even know

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Speaker 2: There are certain things that are said done, certain clothing

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Speaker 2: I believe that Professor griff was not only onto something.

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Speaker 2: not emasculated men. But another reason that I believe that,

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Speaker 2: particularly in hip hop, that it was important to emasculate

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Speaker 2: is easier to steal from It's easier to take from him.

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Speaker 2: So it's not a coincidence that you see the intellectual

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Speaker 2: how when you go to a funeral and they have

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Speaker 2: how fast and how far the intellectual property of our

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Speaker 2: you know what, because your intellectual property starts with your ideas.

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Speaker 2: Where do your ideas come from? If you got a

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Speaker 2: unique idea, that idea came from God, if you didn't

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Speaker 2: it's given to you to express through your God given

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Speaker 2: and take it and you not say a damn thing

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Speaker 1: Little boys, reloaded podcasts will be right back after this week.

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Speaker 1: You spoke at length about generational wealth, and that's what basically,

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Speaker 1: meaning meaning extended periods. Right. So I made a post recently.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw it. I need Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: And I was actually very I guess pleased that most

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Speaker 1: Why is it difficult for some people to wrap their

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Speaker 2: Wealth because we have adopted the value system of our ancestors,

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Speaker 1: But I mean, you're speaking not not You're not speaking

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they had to get it out the mud.

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Speaker 2: You understand. What did I say, ancestors are oppressor?

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Speaker 1: Well, even if we look at the oppressor, you know,

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Speaker 1: passing it down because the generational the way you achieve

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Speaker 1: a generational wealth is you know, you're having assets. You

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Speaker 1: That's how you can say that, you know, Okay, we've

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, it's booby traps everywhere, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we have money, but do most of us

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Speaker 2: certainly represents assets, which includes money, real estate, stocks, bonds,

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Speaker 2: that's not the only thing that makes you wealthy. Now,

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Speaker 2: that's why I said, it's because we have a opted

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Speaker 2: don't know how deep this self hatred thing goes. See

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Speaker 2: it goes back to reconfiguring our value system. We got

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Speaker 2: generational wealth should also include health. Generational health because if

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Speaker 2: and you know you've got these things in your family,

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Speaker 2: well you may not necessarily be passing down the disease

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Speaker 2: It should include knowledge. We got to pass down the

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Speaker 2: things that make one truly wealthy, because let's just be honest.

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Speaker 1: I'm with that. With that, I was watching this video

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Speaker 1: Should they have guns.

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Speaker 2: They I don't. I don't think that it is necessary

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Speaker 2: if you understand what I'm saying. So there has to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sort of like when you're out as an artist.

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Speaker 1: They got thet they got the wrong idea about about security.

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Speaker 1: But speaking to secure in schools, it hasn't worked. I

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Speaker 1: In fact, you started, you know this security detail so

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Speaker 1: I don't want to put my hands on anybody. That's

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Speaker 2: They need to do is they have to send someone

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Speaker 2: off and stole somebody in the jaw, you know, back

432
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Speaker 2: in the day, it may not be that what that

433
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Speaker 2: person did or said to me was really, you know,

434
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Speaker 2: that bad. But I was a ticking time bomb.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: I was talking to a young lady the other day,

437
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Speaker 2: and she's a young lady. She's in school, she's doing

438
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Speaker 2: well for herself, and she started talking about her parents,

439
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: and she talked about how her mother passed away when

440
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: she was four years old and how she's never gotten

441
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: over that. So I said, what about your dad? She said, oh,

442
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: I don't have no good relationship with him either. So

443
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: I made the mistake of asking why. She said, well,

444
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 2: you know, when I was a senior in high school,

445
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: I had to start dancing. I say, dancing, what you mean,

446
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: dancing on the dance team on the football field. She

447
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: started laughing. No, I started stripping. I said, okay, she said,

448
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: but my dad got mad at me because I wouldn't

449
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: allow him to manage my money. So I got kicked

450
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: out the house. I said, this is your biological father.

451
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: She said, yeah, a child that's going through something like that.

452
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 2: What kind of mindset do you think she's gonna have

453
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: when she goes to school? You think she really give

454
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Speaker 2: a damn that Abraham Lincoln quote unquote free the slaves. See,

455
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 2: you gotta have somebody in the school that understands what

456
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: she's going through and has the kind of compassion where

457
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: they can reach her. You know, that can de escalate

458
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: a situation, that could see it before it's you know

459
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 2: how it is back in the day when we was

460
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: in the club, you could just feel when somebody was

461
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 2: about to start shooting. It's a sixth sense that you

462
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 2: have for your own people. And if you bring a

463
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: police officer from you know, the Woods, cut and Shoot

464
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: Texas or whatever into a school in the hood, you

465
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: give him a badge, you give him a gun, and

466
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Speaker 2: you tell him, I need you to tame these wild

467
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: animals in here. That's what he's there to do. He's

468
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: not there to de escalate. He's there to be a

469
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: force to either lock them up or get them kicked out.

470
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: So there's just not enough compassion in the schools for

471
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Speaker 2: what these children are going through. Now, that does not

472
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: excuse you putting your hands on somebody. That's a whole different,

473
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: you know, conversation. But the schools have become clownhouses, brother

474
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Speaker 2: will and I hate to say it, but all they

475
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: doing is babysitting half the time. In some cases, when

476
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Speaker 2: you walk through these schools, you feel like you are

477
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: in a prison because that's what the atmosphere feels like.

478
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: But every now and then there are a few teachers

479
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Speaker 2: in that school that makes that place worth going for

480
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Speaker 2: the students, and we just need more of that.

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Speaker 1: So would a good solution be to start early, like

482
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Speaker 1: start like get reaching these kids at pre k kindergarten.

483
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Speaker 1: And you're doing that, but you're also dealing with what's

484
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Speaker 1: happening in real time right with the kids of age.

485
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Speaker 1: Because it's very possible to walk into bubblegum. You know,

486
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Speaker 1: two things can be true at a time at the

487
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Speaker 1: same time, two things can be done to attack a

488
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Speaker 1: problem at once. Oftentimes we tend to say, hey, it's

489
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Speaker 1: one way or the other, not the one thing or

490
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Speaker 1: that's it. And we love putting band aids on gun.

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Speaker 2: Shaps exactly exactly exactly. I think one of the problems

492
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 2: is the school is more of a factory where they

493
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: just send everybody through the same process, no matter what

494
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: might be going on at home. I think that more

495
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: has to be done to identify the needs of each

496
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Speaker 2: particular student.

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Speaker 1: But we're under attack though, if you think about it,

498
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Speaker 1: we're under attack because the schools are actually operating exactly

499
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Speaker 1: how they intended for them to operate. The fights with

500
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Speaker 1: the kids and the schools, the kids fighting, the teachers

501
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: fighting the bus drivers, this was planned, brother, This is

502
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Speaker 1: all part of the agenda the school.

503
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Speaker 2: To pine exactly.

504
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Speaker 1: It's part of the whole thing. You know, you're disciplining

505
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: your kids, they can call the police. I'm not even

506
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: talking about beating kids to where they skin break. I'm

507
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: just saying you can't even touch a catch child. The

508
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: kid got the phone, right, Donald, I'm a call. So

509
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: they already know you take the discipline out of out

510
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: of the home. They already know what's going to happen, exactly,

511
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Speaker 1: And so I think that it's breaking exactly the way

512
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: that they intended to intended for it to work. And

513
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Speaker 1: I think in order for us to counter it, we're

514
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: going to have to have think tank groups, think tank groups.

515
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Speaker 1: Just like they have think tank groups to implement programs

516
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Speaker 1: and initiatives to harm us, we have to have think

517
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Speaker 1: tank groups to implement initiatives to counter theirs and to

518
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: improve our situations. You know, like we have to be

519
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: ready for that and strike it down before it ever

520
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: becomes law, because you know, they'll go in the back

521
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: room and make a lawry like write a lawteryal quick

522
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 1: and boom, and now that it's law, it don't matter

523
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: how foul or the gender it is, they run with

524
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: it because you know, we got some people who are

525
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: just programmed and say, well, you know, that's the law

526
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Speaker 1: and the law.

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Speaker 2: Right, especially when that the law works to their advantage.

528
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Speaker 2: They love to lean on the law when it works

529
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Speaker 2: to their advantage. When it doesn't work to their advantage,

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Speaker 2: they just go change the law like changing the pair

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Speaker 2: draws right, you know. But I believe that I agree

532
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Speaker 2: we need think tank groups, but we also need we

533
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: need execution, And I agree, but that would.

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Speaker 1: Agree, I mean that would include execution.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely absolutely, And if we first of all, we

536
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 2: have to accept the fact that there is a school

537
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: to prison pipeline. Some of us are still in denial.

538
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: And if the think tank group is to try to

539
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: counter that, well, what does the CounterPunch look like? School

540
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 2: to prison pipeline? So how do we create a school

541
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:05,959
Speaker 2: to purpose pipeline. That's the way that thought process would work.

542
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: But we are at a point that's so critical right now,

543
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 2: Brother Will that I don't think that we can any

544
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: longer get around what the most honorable Elijah Muhammad taught

545
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: that we should do, and that is for us to

546
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 2: position ourselves to teach and educate our own children. Ultimately,

547
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: if we want to be able to control the education

548
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: in our community, we got to open up our own schools.

549
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 2: And it's not something that cannot be done. It is

550
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 2: being done on a smaller scale. But we as a

551
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: people have to realize that just as our great brother

552
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: said that you cannot expect justice from a system that

553
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 2: was not created to give you that in the first place,

554
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: that was WB do, you can't expect education from a

555
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: system that was not created to give you an education

556
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: that empowers you. Let's be honest. The American education system

557
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 2: was designed to create a population of employees, a population

558
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 2: of workers. So everywhere you have in HBCU, when I

559
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: speak at HBCUs, I tell them, you know, it's not

560
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: a coincidence that they teach you in HBCUs how to

561
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 2: go and conduct yourself in an interview. They tell you

562
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: what to wear, how to talk, how to sit, you know,

563
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 2: whether you should wear your natural hair or not. They

564
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: teach you what to do to go and get a job,

565
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: but they don't teach enough how you can take your

566
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 2: gifts and your talents and your knowledge to go and

567
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 2: make a job for yourself. But right up the street

568
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 2: at the PWU, they're teaching them how to be CEOs.

569
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 2: At Harvard, they're teaching them how to be CEOs. And

570
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: the goal is for the HBCU graduate to have to

571
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 2: go to the Harvard graduate to get a job. And

572
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: we have to circumvent that. We have to circumvint that.

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00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 2: So in this particular, there are two educational systems in America.

574
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: One is for black and poor people, all right, And

575
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: in this educational system you're taught how to become an employee.

576
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 2: But in the elite educational system, they teach you how

577
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Speaker 2: to become president. Even if you're a dummy, you can

578
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: be a c student. Look at George Bush Junior is

579
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 2: George Bush Junior or was either third? I don't know. Yeah, Junior,

580
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Speaker 2: how do you become the president and you are a

581
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: C student?

582
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Speaker 1: You dumb like Trump? Just a regular dummy like Trump,

583
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Speaker 1: you know with the hugest word that he can use

584
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Speaker 1: is huge.

585
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's classism for that, and it's a

586
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 2: cast system. So in order for us to escape it,

587
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 2: we have to create what in the Nation of Islam

588
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: is called a new educational paradigm. That means that we

589
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 2: have to do away with the old way, with the

590
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: European way, with the American way of educating black children,

591
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 2: and get the best and brightest of our educators and

592
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 2: teachers together and find a way to create our own

593
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Speaker 2: curriculum and educate our own children. That's the only way

594
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Speaker 2: they'll reach their full potential.

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Speaker 1: Little boys reloaded podcasts which we break back after this week. Now,

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Speaker 1: you know, once that movement starts to happen, that America

597
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: is going to dangle the bag in front of the

598
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: educators and say, hey, come on over here. You know,

599
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna try to steal our educators and put them

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Speaker 1: right back into that system, that oppressive system, you know,

601
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: like and so it goes it goes back to the money,

602
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: because that's to go. It's always to go to snatch

603
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: up our best. As soon as they see one of

604
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: us rising, and they see one of us, we articulate,

605
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: we can we're charismatic, we're smart. You know we can,

606
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: we can lead. They try to pluck you up and

607
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: get you to go work for them and so that

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Speaker 1: they can neutralize your progression, so that you can't help

609
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: your own people. See, once they take you from your

610
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: people and put you over there, then now you're in

611
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 1: the system, and now you working for them, and now

612
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Speaker 1: they control you. And then you know, once you do that,

613
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, you kind of get comfortable with that paycheck

614
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 1: and that status that you have over there, and that's

615
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: why you turn your back on your own people and say, man,

616
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: I got it out the mud I did for myself.

617
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: Get it like I got it. I ain't going back

618
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: over there. But everybody goes back, even if they're not

619
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Speaker 1: going and hanging out on the block. They're stroking a check. Everybody,

620
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: all of the all of the groups out there, give back. Financially,

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Speaker 1: they couldn't survive, they couldn't even make it. They couldn't

622
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Speaker 1: even make it without doing that. It's expected, but they

623
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Speaker 1: want to do it, and it's expected. Let's cover this.

624
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: Let's cover this, this extant Thasian case. Exton Than's killer

625
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: was addressed by the judge. One of his killers, you know,

626
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Speaker 1: he had, three of them were sentenced to life in prison.

627
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Speaker 2: Just the little brother that got killed in Florida.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right, very very talented dude, I mean broke more

629
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Speaker 1: heart man. I heard it was special, very talented, mean,

630
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: just just exceptional, very wise for his age. And for

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Speaker 1: him to get gunned down in a robbery because somebody

632
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: wanted his money that he worked for. Uh, it was

633
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: just it was it was hurtful. But the judge, as

634
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: he's sentencing one of the killers, Michael boltwright, he's he's

635
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: describing this mundaneans, the mundaneness of what the prison experience

636
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Speaker 1: is going to look like for him doing life in prison.

637
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: And the judge said, when you took that gun and

638
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: you discuided to squeeze that trigger, you effectively ended five lives,

639
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Speaker 1: including your own. And he said for the next he said,

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00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: he said, you know, every when you leave here talking

641
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Speaker 1: about the courtroom, when you leave here, and I'm obviously paraphrasing,

642
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: but when you leave here, you're going to be taken

643
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Speaker 1: to a prison where you'll spend every day, where you'll

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Speaker 1: spend every hour, every day, every week, every year in

645
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: that cell. And then one day they're going to come

646
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: in in the morning and you will have passed on

647
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: and they'll come get you, and only then will you

648
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: have served your sentence. But he also described the jail cell.

649
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: He said, you're going to spend every hour, every day,

650
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: every week, every year in that cell. And you're going

651
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: to have a and iron what he said, in a

652
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: metal bed, a metal bed attached to a wall, and

653
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: you also have a metal sink and a metal toilet.

654
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: That'll be your furniture for the rest of your life.

655
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: And you could you could see dude with all that

656
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: postureing he had been doing. I saw him laughing, like

657
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, a week or so ago and and trial,

658
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: but all of that was gone. I think if it

659
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: finally hit him, this is my life. Think about that.

660
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: Like we got furniture at home, sometimes we get we

661
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: get tired of the furniture within a few months, be

662
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: ready to change, move stuff around, at the very least

663
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: moving around. I can't stand looking at this like this

664
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: any longer. But that's his furniture for the rest of

665
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: his life. And in Florida, life is life. Yeah, yeah,

666
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: so what And the program that you run is what's

667
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: the name of it, smart Enough, smart Enough Black Male Summit,

668
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: the Black Male Summit, smart Enough, where you work with

669
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: these black males, many of them who are at risk.

670
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 2: Yes, sir.

671
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: What is it that you tell them? And what is

672
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: it that you teach them? What do you show them

673
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: to avoid ending up in a situation like Michael Bolt

674
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: writing those others who killed.

675
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: Ex Yes, sir, We try to make it clear to

676
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: them that the most profound the most profound form of

677
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 2: mathematics is not algebra, it's not trigonometry. The most profound

678
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: form of mathematics is being able to calculate future consequences

679
00:46:55,640 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 2: for current decisions. See in that moment, that young man

680
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: who killed x extent Tashion was calculating the future consequences

681
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: of his actions, and he was asking himself the question

682
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 2: was it worth it? Was it worth it? See? When

683
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 2: the clown is at the circus and the crowd is there,

684
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 2: he feels useful, he feels important, he feels relevant because

685
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 2: he's entertaining the crowd. But when the crowd is gone,

686
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: and the clown looks in the mirror he realizes what

687
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: he is. A clown. Wow, a crash dummy. In that moment,

688
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 2: standing in front of that judge, he realized what he

689
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 2: really was. You ain't no damn killer, You ain't no

690
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 2: damn goon, You ain't no damn gang member. You ain't

691
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 2: no no damn step up. Use a clown right now.

692
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 2: And the crowd is gone, The people that you were

693
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 2: dancing for gone. You wanted to rob him so that

694
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 2: you could buy a car to impress the crowd, so

695
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 2: you could buy the clothes to impress the crowd. But

696
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 2: the crowd is gone. Now you're left alone, which is

697
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 2: you and the consequences of your actions. So we try

698
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: to get through to these young brothers that this ain't

699
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: no damn game. We out here playing for keeps, and

700
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 2: a crash dummy is somebody who was willing to do

701
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 2: anything to be accepted as somebody that he was not

702
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: born to be. So we have to be about the

703
00:48:55,040 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: business of trying to create options for these young brother

704
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 2: When people see Willie d drive by in that nice

705
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,439
Speaker 2: vehicle that I passed by on the way in, When

706
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 2: the youngster see you drive by. Yeah, I want that,

707
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 2: And there's nothing wrong with them wanting that. But what

708
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 2: they have to understand is that that didn't come free.

709
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 2: That came with blood, sweat, tears, and years. And that's

710
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: what we're trying to teach them, that the long game

711
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 2: is better than the short game. See. The long game

712
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 2: puts you in a position where you can create generational wealth.

713
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 2: But the short game trying to rob somebody of their

714
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 2: hard earned money. The short game robbing a damn liquor

715
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 2: store and people don't even care cash no more, talk

716
00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 2: about a crash dummy. The short game selling poison and

717
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 2: pushing poison into your community, and the same dope fiend

718
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: that you're selling the poison to might come back and

719
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: blow your damn head off when he don't have the

720
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: money to get the dope from you. See, the short

721
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 2: game will cause you to pass on generational hell. Not

722
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 2: generational wealth, but generational hell. Because guess what if you

723
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 2: go to prison and you got to do thirty years,

724
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 2: and let's say you got a child on the way,

725
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 2: that child does every last one of them, every day

726
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 2: of that thirty years with you, that child doing time too,

727
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 2: because they're out here unprotected, not cared for. You're not

728
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 2: in a position where you can provide for your child,

729
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 2: so they doing time too. So these are some of

730
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 2: the things that we try to get over to these

731
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 2: young brothers. You know that your life is way worth

732
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 2: It's worth way more then what it is that you

733
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 2: think you're gonna get trying to take some from somebody,

734
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 2: especially after they have worked hard for what they've gotten.

735
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: When I was on my way up trying to get it,

736
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: battling at rying stone, wrangling, Yeah, going to Joe's on

737
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: Monday nights, knocking on doors, selling newspaper subscriptions and writing

738
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: in between doors and waiting on my supervisor to pick

739
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: me up and take me to the next location. Yeah.

740
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

741
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: The entire time, I'm thinking, like I'm seeing I'm seeing

742
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: other guys who already got it. Yeah, but they got

743
00:51:54,520 --> 00:52:00,919
Speaker 1: it by ill means. I didn't wish bad on them,

744
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: but I knew that that was short term, like he

745
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: probably gonna end up dead in jail, because basically, I mean,

746
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't a genius. I just looked at the odds,

747
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: like everybody else that I know was going to jail

748
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: and getting killed, you know, or getting aimed so that

749
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: was just how it was, and I was thinking, I'm

750
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:25,439
Speaker 1: always I've always been a long, long, long term dude,

751
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: a long goal, you know, like I'm always looking for

752
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: the big play, long play longevity. To me, it ain't

753
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: how you start, it's how you end. So the little

754
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: having the money for a short period of time has

755
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: never interested me because I never want to be the

756
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: dude who talk about what I used to do or

757
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: what I used to have. It's like I got it now,

758
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: you know. And so a lot of guys who had

759
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: it then they ain't got it now. And they and

760
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: they every time they got out, some of them, most

761
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 1: of them, every time they got out, they went right

762
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: back to the same thing, got pot, went right back

763
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: the same thing, got pop. And at the end of

764
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: the day, it's kind of like a gambler. At the

765
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: end of the day, all you got is a lot

766
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: of lost time, you down, perhaps you broke even.

767
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 2: That's the worst thing you can lose.

768
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: At the best, and for most gamblers, the best that

769
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: they can hope for is to break even. Most gamblers

770
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 1: lose lose everything. There's only a few that can say

771
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: I won. But even the winners, the time that they

772
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: commit to gambling, the time that they spend away from

773
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: their families in the streets hustling, and the time that

774
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: they spent on worrying, stressing on the money and how

775
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: to get it and how to get it back and

776
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: watching that back and being in that element, because that's

777
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: a dark element to being in that type of environment,

778
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 1: you know, And I've been there. That's why I could

779
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: speak on it. Yeah, I did it all. Yeah, but

780
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: it's definitely it was not worth it.

781
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. And in our last conversation, I don't know if

782
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 2: it was on a podcast or a personal conversation, you

783
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 2: talked about the moment when you decided that you wanted

784
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 2: to live. You know, there are a lot of young

785
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 2: brothers out here who are in such a dark place

786
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,720
Speaker 2: that they've not yet decided that they want to live.

787
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 2: So they'll risk their lives trying to get a bag

788
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 2: because worst case scenario, I'll die in the process. Either

789
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna die I'm gonna get rich. That young man

790
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 2: who was standing in front of that jadge that you

791
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 2: just told me about, he probably wished that he had.

792
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 2: He would rather be dead than facing what he's facing

793
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 2: right now, because a life sentence is essentially that your

794
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 2: life is over. So if there are any young brothers

795
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 2: who might be listening to us right now, make the

796
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 2: decision to live today. And once you've made the decision

797
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 2: that you want to have a life, then God damn it,

798
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: you have to adjust your lifestyle to somebody who's finna

799
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 2: live and not somebody who fixing to die. Stop watching

800
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 2: the clock thinking that you're gonna die tomorrow, because guess what,

801
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 2: you just might live. And if God blesses you to

802
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 2: stay alive, you only be able to look at the

803
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 2: past five, ten, fifteen years and say that you made

804
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 2: decisions that will advantageous to your future, advantageous to your children.

805
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 2: God damn it. You know they got Mother's Day coming up.

806
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 2: I tell people all the time. I tell brothers all

807
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 2: the time, Hey, man, your life is your letter to

808
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 2: your mama. Your life, that's your letter to your mama.

809
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 2: Make sure that it is a letter that she would

810
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: be proud reading, whether she's dead or alive. But I

811
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 2: said this at I said this at a conference this weekend.

812
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 1: Bro.

813
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 2: It was called mastering Manhood, and we were talking about

814
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 2: we got a master manhood so we could be better

815
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 2: fathers to our children, better husbands to our wives, better

816
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 2: leaders to our community. And I said, yeah, that's true,

817
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 2: that's fine, But I feel like, as black men, we

818
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 2: have to adopt a new mindset. Yeah, we want to

819
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 2: be better husbands, leaders, and fathers, But what about me

820
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 2: want to do better for me? What about me wanting

821
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 2: to be healthier for my damn self? What about me

822
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 2: wanting to be a better person, a better man for me?

823
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 2: We don't even think like that because we have not

824
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 2: been taught as black men, how to even give a

825
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 2: damn about ourselves. Why because at every turn we're judged

826
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 2: on how we take care of other people. We're not

827
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 2: judged on how well we take care of ourselves. But

828
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 2: we are in a health epidemic and a health crisis

829
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 2: as black men because we don't take care of ourselves.

830
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 2: We're dying like ninety going north from heart disease, prostate cancer,

831
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: you name it. We dying from it. You can't take

832
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 2: care of nobody dead where y'are. You can if you

833
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 2: leave them, you know the life insurance policy. Yeah, but

834
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,919
Speaker 2: if you're not here to teach them what to do

835
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: with it, they still gonna end up broke.

836
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: But the person that's moving reckless they're not thinking life

837
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: insurance policy anyway, right, These type people, they're not thinking

838
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: like that. You know, I was one of those type

839
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: of people. You don't think about that. It's going back

840
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: to what you're saying. I didn't get it. I didn't

841
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: figure it out till I started caring about my life.

842
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want to die like a

843
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: dog in the.

844
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 2: Street, right, And I don't want to live like a dog.

845
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 2: And I don't I don't like a dog.

846
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to die like a dog. You know,

847
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: I don't even I don't even want to, you know,

848
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: put certain things in my body that I know that

849
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: it's going to what you call it. You called it,

850
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: uh something about diabetes. And you were saying, anyway, I.

851
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 2: Don't want to generational health.

852
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: None, No, yeah, generational health. But you was you were saying,

853
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: leaning toward diabetes or something some words, some phrases use diabetic.

854
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 2: I got you, uh uh.

855
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: But I don't want to be doing all this stuff, man,

856
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: and then end up at the doctor and they tell

857
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: me that I got something that could have been prevented

858
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: by just my lifestyle. You know, I don't want to

859
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: end up in a in a wheelchair paralyzed sitting on

860
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: the porch. Can't go nowhere and let somebody take me

861
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: because I participated in some activities that I didn't have to,

862
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: and I already know this is what comes with it,

863
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: and I did it anyway. I don't want to be

864
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: that dude. So it's like, once I decided that I

865
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: love myself and I don't want nobody, I don't. I

866
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: don't want nobody just shooting me, stabbing me. I take

867
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: offense to that. I don't want to get stabbed. You know,

868
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: I want to get shot. I don't want to have

869
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: my body maimed. You know. I love my body, so

870
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: I don't want it. I don't want nobody doing anything

871
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: in my body. That's why I defended so well. So

872
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: once I started doing that, you love yourself first to

873
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: your point, and then you can consider loving others. Right,

874
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: So that's why I was with that. Man. But you

875
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: said a mouthful man, and I appreciate you coming over

876
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: and sharing your wisdom.

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00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 2: Man, I appreciate well.

878
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: You knocked it out the park again. How you do that? Man?

879
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: If you was a baseball player, man, you probably get

880
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: the first billion out of contract. Oh brother, man, you

881
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: have a billion on a contract out there, yet.

882
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 2: I have no idea. To God be the glory. To

883
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 2: God be the glory. Man, thanks for having me, brother,

884
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 2: Will and Man. Conversations with you are like watershed moments

885
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 2: for me, whether it's on a podcast or just a

886
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 2: personal conversation. Man, I really really see you and know

887
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 2: you to be one of the realists, not just have

888
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 2: not one of the realists to just have ever wrapped,

889
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 2: but one of the realists who to just have ever breathed. So, Man,

890
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 2: thank you for being you. And to anyone who might

891
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 2: be listening to this conversation, know that both Will and

892
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 2: Not understand that we could have just hipped a little

893
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 2: bit to the left, to hipped a little bit to

894
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 2: the right, and we wouldn't be in the position that

895
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,479
Speaker 2: we're in today. So we don't judge, but we come

896
01:00:56,520 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 2: to the subject matter until the table with compassion. We're

897
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 2: doing all we can to try to pour as much

898
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 2: into the next generation. And I think that in and

899
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 2: of itself, like what we're doing on this podcast right now,

900
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 2: if some younger brothers are listening and they take hold

901
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 2: of what we're saying, we're passing on the form of

902
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 2: generational will for the community right now. And I feel

903
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 2: good about that.

904
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Speaker 1: And that's important to say, man, because it's easy. It

905
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: would be very very easy for you or I to

906
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: just go do whatever we want to do and get paid,

907
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 1: you know, live a nice comfortable.

908
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 2: Life and not be and not be concerned.

909
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: Exactly with Yeah, we're both sharp individuals, we're intelligent. You know,

910
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: we got connections, you know, we got resources. We do

911
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: we want to do. But what we're doing right now,

912
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: this is this is uh, this is this is perhaps

913
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: the most important thing that we could be doing. And

914
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: it's very very dangerous. It is you see, That's what

915
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: people don't understand, Like when you start putting information out

916
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: to help black folks, that's dangerous. Yeah, and you're not

917
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: going to just get You're not just gonna be targeted

918
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: by you know those people. You're gonna be targeted by

919
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: your people. Yeah, so you got those exactly, those Ryan

920
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: those seas start with a see rhyme.

921
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 2: With moons, Yeah, exactly exactly. They're those among us who

922
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 2: want to convince us that there is no hope for

923
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 2: the young brother, you know, standing at the bus stop

924
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 2: on Homestead with the pistol, you know, trying to see

925
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 2: what his next move is But I remember when that

926
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 2: was really d I'm telling you, like, I watch you

927
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 2: go from that to this and to wherever else you're going,

928
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 2: So I know it could be done. When I look

929
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 2: in the mirror and I see what God has done

930
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 2: for me, I know that it could be done. So

931
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 2: no matter what condition I find one of these little

932
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 2: youngsters in, I see that in them is a greatness

933
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 2: that has the potential to surpass yours and mine put together,

934
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 2: The question becomes, how can I get him to see

935
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 2: his own greatness. It's one thing for me to believe

936
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 2: in you, but how can I get you to believe

937
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 2: in yourself? And that's the challenge, brother, But we accept

938
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 2: the challenge and we're up for it.

939
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: And that's why I give grace because we've already taken

940
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: that journey. Yeah, and I know, yeah, like the same

941
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: thing that they're getting right now, the same backlash year.

942
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: They're getting the same criticism, critiquing, you know, the smoke

943
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 1: that they get. I got it. But you know what

944
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: made me, what made me get through it, what helped

945
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: me get through it, was the belief in myself. It

946
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: didn't matter what everybody else was saying. Yeah, even my

947
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: own family. My own sister said I need to stop

948
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: this rap thing, go get a job, and she stopped

949
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: saying that when I bought her that the first time

950
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: I bought it. Suv what I'm saying. So, so I

951
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: know I've been there, and I know, and I thank

952
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 1: you for saying that.

953
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 2: Mannah, it's real, bro, and I know were running out

954
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 2: of time. But when you see somebody you remember brother

955
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 2: named Hilton West.

956
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: From absolutely Okay.

957
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 2: I remember when Hilton West got killed by a police officer.

958
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 2: I seen him, maybe I was with him fifteen minutes

959
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 2: before he got killed. That was my first time seeing

960
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 2: somebody lifeless right after I saw him alive. And it

961
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 2: was a daunting experience for me. Right, So, to see

962
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 2: somebody dead right after you saw them alive, that's a shock.

963
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 2: But to see somebody go from abject to poverty and

964
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 2: just watched them over the years go through the vicissitudes

965
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 2: in life, and you know, you see them become you

966
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 2: know who they become talking about you? Hey, brother, that

967
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 2: right there gives you faith and belief that it can

968
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 2: happen for anybody. When the brother Jay Prince put out

969
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 2: his book, I went to his book signing in Houston

970
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 2: because I had to go and support him. And you know,

971
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 2: we all from the same neighborhood. This was a couple

972
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 2: of years ago. I'm in there, brother, and I'm seeing

973
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 2: so many brothers who went to jail in the nineties,

974
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 2: got thirty years and just coming home. I'm like, whoa

975
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 2: I'm talking about? These are all childhood friends. And a

976
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 2: voice kept, you know, playing in the back of my head.

977
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 2: You know this could have been you, right.

978
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: E Jesus easy, Well, thank god it was you, man,

979
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: and thank god we got you. And thank God that

980
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 1: you've been using your body, your time, your influence, your

981
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 1: wisdom to you know, to help all these other youngsters

982
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 1: out here man that might be going through the same thing.

983
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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. The Great, the Honorable Derek Muhammad, the homie,

984
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: what's up baby?

985
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 2: I love you, my brother, Peace, love.

986
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: You back man. No mo talk, No more talk. This

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Speaker 1: episode was produced by a King and brought to you

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Speaker 1: by the Black Effect Podcast Network at I Heart Radio.