1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: Can't. I am six forty. 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobelt Podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 2: We were on every day one until four o'clock and 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 2: then after four o'clock. You want the podcast, and you 5 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 2: want it today, I'll tell you that you go. 6 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: You wait till after. 7 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 2: Four and it's on the iHeartRadio app John Cobelt Show 8 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: on demand. We talk with Joel Pollock in the one 9 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 2: o'clock hour at length because the California Post is coming 10 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 2: to town. It's going to be the sister publication to 11 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 2: the New York Post, but it's going to cover everything 12 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: in California, the news, the politics, the sports, the culture, 13 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 2: and that's going to be a big deal. And in 14 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 2: the two o'clock hour you just heard, we had Jeremy 15 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: Patter We're on who's organizing the They Let Us Burn 16 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 2: demonstration in Palisades tomorrow on the anniversary of the fire. 17 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: We also had Steve Hilton, one of the leading candidates 18 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: for governor, a Republican, who is I tend toified two 19 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty two five oh two hundred and fifty 20 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: billion dollars of fraud in the the news of the 21 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: administration over the years, so a lot of great conversation 22 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 2: you ought to listen today. I'm want to stop for 23 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: just a second before we get Roger Bailey on the 24 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: Palisades attorney, because never just reported that Michael Reagan died, 25 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 2: the oldest son of Ronald Reagan. Michael was a radio 26 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: talk show host for years. I knew him a little bit, 27 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 2: and he was a really good guy. It was fun 28 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 2: to talk to, and he was a guest on our 29 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: show many times. He filled in on KFI many times 30 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: some years ago. So I'm sorry to hear about that 31 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 2: and give condolences out to the entire family. Michael Reagan 32 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 2: died at the age of eighty. All right, let's go 33 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: to Roger Bailey. 34 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: Now. 35 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: Roger Bailey is the attorney for thousands of homeowners in 36 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: the Palisades who lost their homes, and he has been 37 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 2: providing us constant information as he and his staff and 38 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: other attorneys do the investigations as to the origin the fire, 39 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: the lack of preparation, the botched execution, the cover ups. 40 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 2: Let's get Roger Bailey on how are you. 41 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 3: I'm doing well, John, how you doing today? 42 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm doing good. 43 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: Tell me about the drone footage that you have which 44 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,839 Speaker 2: smoke shows smoke coming from the exact location that the 45 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: fire started. And you've got a state park ranger who 46 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: said she saw smoke and didn't report it to flesh 47 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: out this story. 48 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 4: This is new sure, well, you know, every time we 49 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 4: talk we seem to discover yet even more shocking information 50 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 4: than we knew previously. 51 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 3: And so this all came to light within the last 52 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 3: couple of weeks. We've been taking depositions of the state 53 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 3: park employees that responded to the January one Lackman fire, 54 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 3: and what we learned from those depositions is on January first, 55 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 3: in the early hours of the morning, a state park 56 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 3: ranger went to the Lockman fire site after the firefighters 57 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 3: reported knocking down the fire. She hiked up to the 58 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 3: burn scar and reported seeing smoke coming from the ground. 59 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 3: There were no firefighters around, and after seeing smoke, did 60 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 3: not think to report that to anyone else that there 61 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 3: was still smoke coming from the ground. That was at 62 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 3: eight thirty in the morning on January one. A week ago, 63 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 3: some drone footage surface from a Palisades fire victim who 64 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 3: had flown a drone on January one at the exact 65 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 3: same time, eight thirty in the morning. And this drone 66 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,119 Speaker 3: footage depicts the southern end of the lock and fire 67 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 3: burnscar And you can see in the drone footage, and 68 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 3: I supplied that you guys maybe even put it up 69 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 3: on the website, you can see smoke coming from yet 70 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 3: unburn and brush. I mean, you know, it's just billowing 71 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 3: out of the ground. And that, it turns out, is 72 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 3: exactly where six days later, the Palisades fire erupted. According 73 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 3: to the ATF's own analysis of the origin of the 74 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: Palisades fire, that plume of smoke you see is exactly 75 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 3: where the Palisades fire ignited on January seventh. 76 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: But the LA Fire Department had already left the area, 77 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 2: correct and they had been pressured off the land by 78 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 2: the State Parks Department. 79 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, as we talked about last time, the state, 80 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 3: as the owner of Topeka State Park, has restrictions on 81 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 3: some areas of the park where firefighters can't use heavy equipment, 82 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 3: you know, And I think I told you last time, 83 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 3: and if I didn't, I'll tell you now. We also 84 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 3: learned that a State park rep went up on January 85 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 3: one saw what's called the containment line dug around the 86 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 3: edge of the Lochman fire, which is what firefighters will 87 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 3: cut to prevent the fire from spreading. That State Park 88 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 3: rep became concerned that the public would be confused, thinking 89 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 3: it was a hiking trail, and went and got the 90 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 3: firefighters and said, please come back here and put all 91 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 3: of the brush back over the top of the containment line. 92 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. 93 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 3: And cover it up. Yes, yes, he testified, yep. I 94 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 3: was worried people would wander down the containment line, and 95 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 3: rather than putting a trail clothes sign or some yellow tape, 96 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 3: he went and got the firefighters and and there's photographs 97 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 3: that he took over them and I sent them to you. 98 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 3: He has them in there pulling the dry, unburned brush 99 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 3: that they just removed back over the top of the 100 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 3: containment line. And that's right in the spot where the 101 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 3: palistates fire and knights. 102 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: Hey, they put the brush back. 103 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: It had been removed, and they put the brush back, 104 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 2: and that's where the fire reignited. 105 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, you can't. You can't write this stuff. 106 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 2: No, I was going to say, you can't if you've 107 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: if you've read this in a novel or saw this 108 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: in a movie. 109 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: Nobody would believe it. 110 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, every time we get new information, we're even more 111 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 3: stunned than we were before. This is Uh. It just 112 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 3: keeps getting more bizarre. And this drone footage, like I said, uh, 113 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 3: shows smoke coming out of unburned brush in exactly the 114 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 3: same spot that the ATF confirmed that the Palisades fired ignited. 115 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 3: Now that brush was smoldering for six days and long 116 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 3: after LAFD leaves the state, and it's in its own 117 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 3: policy manual requires that they close the park and that 118 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 3: they go up and they inspect their land to make 119 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 3: sure there are no public safety issues like smoke coming 120 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 3: from the ground. And they didn't do that. They went 121 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 3: up there, you know, were there for a few minutes, 122 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 3: didn't do a complete inspection of the entire burnscar. Had 123 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 3: they done that, had they gone to that southern edge, 124 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 3: they clearly would have seen what's shown in this drone footage, 125 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 3: which a smoke coming out of the ground. They could 126 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 3: have called LAFD back, you know, come back here and 127 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 3: put this out, or they could have called cowfire, but 128 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: nobody did anything. 129 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 2: How could so many people, How could so many people 130 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: do so many stupid things, so many things wrong, violating 131 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: the protocols in their manuals and violating just common sense. 132 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: What any person would do if you saw smoke coming 133 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: out of the ground from a fire that was never 134 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: put out, well, of course you'd report it. Of course 135 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: you would roll over the milk fitch plant to stamp 136 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 2: it out. 137 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: I just don't understand this. 138 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: Every time you come on, you had more characters to 139 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: this story, and every new character does something absurd. 140 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 3: That's exactly right. It is stunning. It is a failure 141 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 3: of the government on multiple levels, not just one failure, 142 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,119 Speaker 3: multiple failures. 143 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: How could it be? 144 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: How could it be that everybody screws up about everything 145 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: at the same time when it's really not that. It's 146 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: not that complicated. Really, when you see smoke to stamp 147 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 2: out the remnants of an old fire, that's that you 148 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:31,119 Speaker 2: don't have to have gone and studied astrophysics to figure 149 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 2: out what you need to do. It's like if you 150 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 2: have a fire in the kitchen and take out a 151 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: fire exting whish you're in, blast it right and you 152 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 2: put it out. That's really simple, simple survival mechanisms that 153 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 2: are to be embedded in our biology. How could they 154 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 2: do everything wrong? 155 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're asking the same question. But we're getting you know, 156 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 3: people said, how did this happen? We're now getting the 157 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 3: answers as to how and why this happened because it 158 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 3: should not have happened. The Power Stakes fire should not 159 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 3: have happened. You have this eight acre brush fire allegedly 160 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 3: started by an arsonist. You know, it's put out within 161 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 3: a few hours, So that should have been the end 162 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: of the story. That should have been where everything stopped. 163 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 3: No homes are damaged, no lives are lost. And yet 164 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 3: because people didn't do their jobs, the state didn't manage 165 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 3: its land. And then we know after that Palisades fire starts, 166 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 3: firefighters ran out of water because LADWP had the and 167 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 3: in this reservoir drained for months. 168 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: And the firefighters weren't sent to cover that area in advance. 169 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 2: And you know, the firefighters are sent home and there's 170 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 2: not enough engines, and there's not enough mechanics for the 171 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 2: broken engines. It's like the list goes on and on 172 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 2: and on. It's almost impossible to absorb it all. Can 173 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 2: you hang on line? 174 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 3: You bet? 175 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: All right? 176 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 2: We got Roger Bailey on, one of the lead attorneys 177 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: for the thousands of Palisades residents who lost. 178 00:09:58,400 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: Their homes in the fire. 179 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: Also going to talk about the twelve people who lost 180 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 2: their lives because Roger and his law firm are filing 181 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 2: a lawsuit, a wrongful death lawsuit on behalf of the 182 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 2: families of those twelve victims. That's all I had. 183 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM. 184 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 6: Six forty. 185 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 2: John Cobelt's Show. You can follow us on social media 186 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 2: at John Cobelt Radio at John Cobelt Radio, and you 187 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 2: want to watch our video segments on YouTube. We put 188 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: up one almost every day after the show. YouTube dot com, 189 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 2: slash at John Cobelt's Show, YouTube dot com, slash at 190 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 2: John Cobelt Show, and everything else is at John Cobelt Radio. 191 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 2: Tomorrow we're going to do a special show. They're having 192 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: a demonstration, a rally in the Palisades, Palisades residents and 193 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: business owners. 194 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: It's entitled They Let Us Burn. 195 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 2: And Jeremy Patawer, who we had on the show earlier, 196 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 2: and Spencer Pratt are organizing this They Let Us Burn. 197 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 2: It's at the Palisades Villain corner of Antioch and Swarthmore. 198 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 2: We're going to go there and interview a lot of 199 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: people record it and played on the program tomorrow afternoon, 200 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 2: But if you want to go there live, it's ten 201 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 2: thirty in the morning in Palisades Village, and then we'll 202 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 2: run some expert excerpts of our interviews between one and 203 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 2: four tomorrow afternoon. 204 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: They let us burn. 205 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 2: They're going to have a lot of residents, business owners 206 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 2: and other officials are going to be speaking, and it's 207 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 2: just getting worse and worse, the anger and the resentment, 208 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: and really everyone's incredulous because hardly a week goes by 209 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 2: where there's not another bombshell. And we're talking with Roger Bailey, 210 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 2: who constantly brings its bombshells. He's one of the lead 211 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: attorneys for thousands of Palisades residents who lost their homes. 212 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: And there's another lawsuit that you're involved with, and it's 213 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: for the it's the families of the victims who were killed. 214 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 2: There are twelve people died in the Palisades fire, and 215 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 2: talk about this wonderful death lawsuit that's being filed. 216 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 3: Part of the same case. It's all part of the 217 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 3: same case, John Dee, As you indicated, people not only 218 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 3: lost their homes and property, but more than twelve people 219 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 3: died it. Initially there were twelve that perished in the fire, 220 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 3: and several others have died in the weeks and months 221 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:33,239 Speaker 3: following the fire from their injuries. So last month, in December, 222 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 3: the law changed in California, so we filed on behalf 223 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,599 Speaker 3: of all of our clients who lost family members and 224 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 3: loved ones in the fire. We filed what are called 225 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 3: wrongful death cases, and we represent eight families and we 226 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 3: filed those to allow the heirs of the people to 227 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 3: perish to recover for the loss of their loved one, 228 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 3: and those all were filed. They're all part of the 229 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 3: same case. But again this kind of brings back into focus. 230 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 3: This isn't just about the loss of property, which is 231 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 3: bad enough, but so many people perished in this fire, 232 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,719 Speaker 3: some doing heroic things trying to rescue neighbors and friends 233 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 3: and then got trapped and didn't get out themselves. So 234 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 3: we need to remember that not only did people lose 235 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 3: their home and property homes and property, but they many 236 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 3: people perished in the fire. 237 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: Going back to. 238 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: What we were talking in the last segment is pinpointing 239 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 2: where the smoldering was going on after the January first fire, 240 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 2: Lockman fire, and it was at the exact spot where 241 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 2: the ATF says the Palisades fire blew up on the 242 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 2: seventh's right, it's on state land and to Banga State Park. 243 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: Correct, that's all right? 244 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 3: Correct? 245 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 2: Okay, you wrought to Wes saying that the State Parks 246 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 2: Department is insisting the Lockman fire was not in one 247 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 2: of the avoidance areas, an area where that firefighters have 248 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 2: to avoid because the state parks officials don't want anybody 249 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 2: chomping around on the milk vetch plant. And so you're saying, no, 250 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: it was in an avoidance area and that's why the 251 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 2: firefighters were discouraged from putting out the original fire and 252 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: the subsequent smoldering. So you're saying it was in an 253 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: avoidance area and the State Parks Department is denying that. 254 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: Talk about this dispute here, Yeah. 255 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 3: Well it's setting. So the benefit of maps. So the 256 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 3: ATF back in October publicly released their criminal complaint, and 257 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 3: in that criminal complaint, on page twenty one, you can 258 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 3: see a map of to Panka State Park and the 259 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 3: ATF outlines the burn scar perimeter of what's called the 260 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 3: Lockman fire. So we knew where the Lochman fire burned 261 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 3: atf carefully it out. Then when we got these maps 262 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 3: from the state called avoidance maps, there are on those 263 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 3: maps a number of big red circles. And when we 264 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 3: took these depositions, we said, what are the red circles 265 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 3: and they said, well, this is where we have protected 266 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:22,239 Speaker 3: plant species, this is where we have restricted activities for firefighters, 267 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 3: no heavy equipment, you know, no mop up unless you 268 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 3: have an archaeologist on site. So these red circles which 269 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 3: appear on the maps are what they call avoidance areas. 270 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 3: When we heard the State Parks publicly say the Lochman 271 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 3: fire was not in an avoidance area, we quickly went 272 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 3: and overlaid the maps and I sent. 273 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: These I'm looking at all this yet. 274 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, So we did an exact overlayer of the Lochman 275 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 3: fire burn scar perimeter and one of these red circles. 276 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 3: When you look to see where the Lochman fire burnscar was, 277 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 3: about ninety five percent of it is squarely within an 278 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 3: avoidance area. And in fact it's its point of origin 279 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 3: with squarely in an avoidance area. So I'm sitting here wondering, 280 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 3: need to send the state parked people maps so that 281 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 3: they can look to see where their avoidance areas are, 282 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 3: because this is clearly where the Lochman fire burn, no question. 283 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: I mean, they're just flat out line that looks like 284 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: to me. 285 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 2: I can see the map, and I could see the 286 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 2: avoidance area that's drawn with a red line, and I 287 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 2: see the yellow spot on the map where the Lochman 288 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: fire originated. 289 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: I either that's. 290 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 3: Crazy, it's identical. And if you look in the upper 291 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 3: left hand corner, just there's a little hiking trail with 292 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 3: a switchback that looks like a W that's what we 293 00:16:53,440 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 3: use to confirm the matching. And this ATF map matches 294 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 3: up exactly with the area avoidance map from the state 295 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 3: and they're clearly within the avoidance area. And it's also 296 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 3: by the way I mentioned this covering of the containment line. 297 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 3: The State Parks has also said the State Parks did 298 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 3: not influence or interfere with the lafd's mop up. And 299 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 3: I thought to myself, well, wait a minute, do you 300 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 3: mean to say that the LAFD would have dug a 301 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 3: containment line and then on its own said well, let's 302 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 3: an hour later go back and cover it all back up. 303 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 3: Or did the State Park rep go up there as 304 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 3: we know happen then say hey, look, I want you 305 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 3: to go get this brush and put it all back 306 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 3: over the top of the containment line. You just dog. 307 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 3: So they've made these statements that absolutely are false, unsupportable. 308 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 2: Just one more quick question. When you're deposing some of 309 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: these state employees and they're describing what one on do 310 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 2: they seem to express and regret about the way it 311 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 2: was handled? 312 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: Are they No? 313 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 3: I got to tell you the thing that's most frustrating, 314 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 3: and I'm you're hearing the frustration in the public. Where's 315 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 3: the accountability? 316 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 6: Nobody. 317 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 3: Nobody has stepped up to say, you know what, it's 318 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 3: our fault. You know we should have done this. Nobody. 319 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 3: It's just a bunch of finger pointing from one government 320 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 3: agency to another government agency, and it's the lack of accountability. 321 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 3: Somebody step up and say, you know what, we didn't 322 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 3: do a good job. Don't water things down, don't say 323 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 3: you know we were changing or these were unprecedented winds 324 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 3: that would have burned anyway. That's bs. This would not 325 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 3: have happened and should not have happened if people did 326 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 3: their jobs correctly. 327 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 2: Roger Bailey got to go, You've done more than anybody 328 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 2: trying to explain exactly what happened when it comes to 329 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 2: the Palisades fire and the Lockmin fire. Thank you for 330 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 2: taking the. 331 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 3: Time here, my pleasure. 332 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: John all right, Roger Bailey. 333 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 2: When we come back, we got a clip of Heimi Moore, 334 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: the LA Fire Department chief, admitting that the LA Fire Department, well. 335 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: Some limitations were exposed. 336 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 2: A few weeks ago when he took over as the chief, 337 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: he was claiming the media was smearing the firefighters. Now 338 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 2: he's admitting that they ran into some challenges. Also going 339 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 2: to play a clip from Channel two. Tom Waite interviewed 340 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 2: Karen Bass about her reflections and regrets. I haven't heard 341 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 2: this yet, so we'll share that experience together. 342 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobel's on Demand from KFI AM 343 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 5: six forty. 344 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 2: We're on from one until four and then after four 345 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 2: o'clock John Cobelt's show on demand on the iHeart app. 346 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: And we had much direct men today. 347 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 2: First hour, we had Joel Pollock, who's the opinion editor 348 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 2: for the incoming California Post, which is really going to 349 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 2: shake up the media environment. It's going to be a 350 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 2: daily newspaper, internet news site modeled on the New York 351 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 2: Post sister publication. But it's going to cover only California 352 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 2: stuff and news, politics, sports, culture, and that's what we need, 353 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 2: need that attitude. We need that viewpoint badly in the media. 354 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 2: And so you want to hear that. And we had 355 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 2: Steve Hilton on in the two o'clock hour. We had 356 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 2: he's running for governor. He's found he says two hundred 357 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 2: and fifty billion dollars worth of fraud untroduce him over 358 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 2: the course of his administration. Just had Roger Bailey on 359 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 2: with even more damning information about the fires and the 360 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 2: response by the LA Fire Department and the State Parks Department, 361 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 2: which are the unsung villains in this. We got to 362 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 2: get some names people in the State Parks Department who 363 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 2: chased the LA Fire Department out and told them, I 364 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 2: want to know the name of the guy who had 365 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 2: the LA Fire Department put back some brush that they'd 366 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 2: already dug up. They put back the brush and that's 367 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 2: where the fire, the second fire ignited. Who was that genius? 368 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 2: Because they thought that the bulldozed fire break was going 369 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 2: to be used as a hiking path by people, So 370 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 2: cover up this hiking path with old brush that you 371 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 2: already tore out. A what a dope. We'll talk about that. Well, 372 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 2: you can hear it all on the podcast. I want 373 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 2: to get onto all right. Jimi Moore was the LA 374 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 2: Fire Department chief that was named just a month ago. Right, 375 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 2: they went through Karen Bass had three clowns as fire 376 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 2: chief here in Los Angeles. Con Number one was Kristin Crowley, 377 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 2: and she was the one who sent an entire shift 378 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: of firefighters home rather than stay on for a second 379 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 2: shift and then they could have fought the Palisades fire. 380 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: What else you'd do? 381 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 2: Oh, she'd ever sent She didn't pre deploy any firefighters 382 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 2: or any fire trucks to the hot spot that was 383 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 2: still smoldering, as we know now, incredible incompetence and stupidity. 384 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: Then we had Ronnie van Awave as the interim chief, 385 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 2: and we found out through the early times that he 386 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 2: was involved in rewriting the investigative report, the after action report, 387 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 2: so that all the damning criticisms of the fire response 388 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 2: would be watered down, softened, and erased. That was Ronnie 389 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 2: van Awaven. Now we have this third clown, himI Moore. 390 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 2: He gets sworn in his LA Fire department chief. The 391 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 2: first thing he does is claim the media is smearing 392 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 2: as firefighters. No, this is what really happened, and it's 393 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 2: a lot of responsibility. Is not the firefighters per se, 394 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 2: it's management from the fire chief on down, the battalion chiefs, 395 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 2: all of bureaucracy. Well, let's get himimore today. Now he 396 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 2: is admitting that the Palisades and Lockman fires may have 397 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,479 Speaker 2: exposed some limitations. Let's play this. 398 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 7: Please understand, the Palisades and Lockman fires were defining moments 399 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 7: for this department. They unfortunately exposed real limitations, limitations and 400 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 7: distant capacity during periods of extreme demand, including challenges related 401 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 7: to staffing availability, resource placement, and the speed at which 402 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 7: conditions can change during in driven fiery events. 403 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 2: Stop a second, Stop a second. I hate all the 404 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 2: euphemisms challenges. No yet, a fire chief who didn't pre 405 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 2: deploy firefighters before when they got warnings that they were 406 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 2: going to have terrible wins and her own firefighters had 407 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 2: said that the smoldering was going on, but they got 408 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 2: kicked off and didn't fight back against the state park reps. 409 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 2: What you tell the truth, I'm getting the truth. I 410 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 2: just talked to you, you know, a handful of people 411 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 2: today on the show, and I got a thousand times 412 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 2: more truth than you'd ever get from Heimimore, Kristin Crowley 413 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 2: or Ronnie Vana Wava. 414 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: None of them speak the truth, if they speak at. 415 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 2: All, They use all these bizarre euphemisms, all the challenges 416 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 2: and the limitations. No, how about incompetence and stupidity, Because 417 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 2: you know, as Jeremy said, he's not in the camp 418 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 2: of thinking that they let it burn on purpose. But 419 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 2: I'm telling you there's a lot of people who do, 420 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 2: and you can't really blame them. Can this many people 421 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 2: be this stupid and this competent this many times in 422 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 2: such a short period, all these trained professionals, How is 423 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 2: that mathematically possible that everybody did something idiotic? 424 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:12,719 Speaker 7: Play some more, Some resources were delayed so late as 425 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 7: times were longer than we strive for. 426 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: Our surge compacity. 427 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 2: I know from friends of mine and lost their homes, 428 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 2: the response times about twelve hours, and by then the 429 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 2: homes were all gone. I got several friends whose homes 430 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 2: burned completely and the firefighters didn't show up in those 431 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 2: twelve hours. They may never have shown up. Oh, the 432 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 2: response times weren't as as quick as we strive for 433 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 2: what you strive for what? There was no response, This 434 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 2: was not response. 435 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: Play some more. 436 00:25:54,680 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 6: Our surge capacity was overstretched. These are difficult realities. 437 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: Said everybody home. 438 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 7: Acknowledging them is essential to improving how we operate. To 439 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 7: be very clear, these challenges were not the result of 440 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 7: failures by our firefighters that. 441 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 6: Were on the line. 442 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 7: They reflect leadership decisions, legacy systems, and longstanding structural constraints 443 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 7: that must evolve. 444 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 6: To me today's risk. 445 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 2: Well, why don't you stay the truth? Karen Bash, Eric 446 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 2: Arcetti and all the city councils of the last all, 447 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 2: I don't know twelve years at least, never funded the 448 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 2: fire department properly. Kept I keep telling you we had 449 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 2: half a fire department. It was fifty percent funded, five 450 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: to zero, half funded according to national standards. And all 451 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 2: the city council members they never funded the fire department. 452 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 2: And now the fire department is largely used to put 453 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 2: out bum fires and try to revive mental patient drug 454 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 2: addicts in the streets. 455 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: Play some more. That was it? 456 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 2: That's enough, all right, we come back, We'll play. Karen 457 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 2: Bask getting interviewed by CBS two reporter Tom Waite, her 458 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 2: reflections and regrets. I haven't heard this. I'm sure, I'm 459 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 2: sure this. So you know, I got to start taking 460 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 2: blood pressure pills while doing this show because that my 461 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 2: head's about to pop off. 462 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobelts on demand from KFI AM. 463 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 2: Six forty John Cobalt Show, caf I Am six forty 464 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 2: more stimulating talk radio, and after four o'clock the podcast 465 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: John Cobelt's Show on Demand and quite a line up today. 466 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 2: We had a lot of big name guests's the day 467 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 2: before the Palisades fire. We had Roger Bailey on earlier 468 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 2: this hour, one of the lead attorneys. He had more 469 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 2: bombshells to drop. We talked to Steve Hilton, the Republican 470 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 2: candidate for governor. He says he's found two hundred and 471 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 2: fifty billion dollars in fraud over the years under the 472 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 2: Newsomb administration. And we had Joel pollakon from the New 473 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 2: York Post. Watch it the California Post. It's a new 474 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 2: publication January twenty sixth, sister to the New York Post. 475 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 2: It's going to cover all a lot of the stuff 476 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 2: that we cover here. And they got a whole team 477 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 2: of reporters. They're going to be doing investigations and exclusives, 478 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 2: and it's politics, it's news, it's sports, it's culture of 479 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 2: California in that New York Post style California post. You 480 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 2: want to listen to the whole show. Quite a bit 481 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 2: of quite a bit of fascinating stuff today. Well, listen 482 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 2: to this before I play the Karen Basque clip. And 483 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 2: this just came over from the Los Angeles Times. We 484 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 2: played you a clip of Heimi Moore, the LA Fire Chief, 485 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 2: who spewed some gobbledegook at a press conference today about 486 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 2: the challenges and limitations of the fire department. Well, the 487 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 2: Times is reporting that Heimi Moore admitted today that his 488 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 2: departments after action report on the Palisades fire was watered down. 489 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 2: You got that. The LA Fire Chief says, yeah, this 490 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 2: report was watered down to shield top brass from scrutiny. 491 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 2: This was the big breakthrough of the Times head over 492 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 2: the holiday. Moore's admission comes two weeks after The Times 493 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 2: found the report was edited to downplay the failures of 494 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 2: the city and LA Fire Department leaders in preparing for 495 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 2: and fighting the January seventh fire. Moore said before the 496 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 2: city's board of Fire Commissioners. It is now clear that 497 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 2: multiple drafts were edited to soften language, reduce explicit criticism 498 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 2: of department leadership, and that final report. This editing occurred 499 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 2: prior to my appointment as fire chief, and I can 500 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 2: assure you nothing of this sort will ever happen again 501 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 2: while I am fire chief. He did not say who 502 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 2: is responsible for the changes to the report. The original 503 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 2: offer was Battalion Chief Kenneth Cook, and he would not endure, 504 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 2: said because they he'd rewritten his reports so extensively. Interim 505 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 2: Fire Chief Ronnie van Noweva was told by Cook that 506 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 2: the version was highly unprofessional and inconsistent with our established standards. 507 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 2: Bass's office is claiming that LA Fire Department wrote and 508 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 2: edited the report, had nothing to do with Bass. Somebody 509 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 2: continues to cover up and continues to lie, and we'll 510 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 2: have more on that tomorrow. I mean, I don't know 511 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 2: how the Palisades survivors and the Palisades homeowners can absorb 512 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 2: all this. All right, let's try this one out. I 513 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 2: haven't heard it. Channel two reporter Tom Way interviewed Karen 514 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 2: Bass about her reflections and regrets. Let's see what this is. 515 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 8: Ellie Mayor Karen Bass sits down with CBSLA as we 516 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 8: mark one year since the deadly Palisades Fire disaster. 517 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 6: The mayor is projecting optimism. 518 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 9: I feel good that there's over four hundred homes that 519 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 9: are under construction right now, that there's over eight hundred 520 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 9: homes that have been approved to be built, That Palisades 521 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 9: High will open up before the month is over, that 522 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 9: hopefully will break ground on the rec Center this month. 523 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 9: That the temporary. 524 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: There's over seven thousands that burnt. I feel good. 525 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 2: You notice how she's not addressing anything of what happened 526 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 2: in the past, but carry. 527 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 9: On that the temporary library will be up. 528 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 8: And while Bass praises the progress, she acknowledges the reality 529 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 8: of the ongoing emotional impact of what happened here. 530 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 9: I don't care how far they are in the rebuilding process. 531 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 3: They didn't have a. 532 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 9: Home to go to over the holidays, so that sense 533 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 9: of loss and that sense of trauma, they never get 534 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 9: a break from it, not until they get the keys 535 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 9: to move back in. 536 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 6: The days and weeks to second. 537 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,479 Speaker 2: They haven't waived the permit fees promised they would be waived. 538 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:02,479 Speaker 1: They weren't waived. 539 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 2: We had Joel Pollakhon before from the California Post cost 540 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 2: people thirty to forty thousand dollars. All that should have 541 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 2: been waived. She promised to do it at the press 542 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 2: conference with Trump. Didn't happen, big whynew some promise too big? 543 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: Why continue? 544 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 8: In the days and weeks after the fire decimated the Palisades, 545 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 8: Mayor bas promised to streamline the rebuilding process, and part 546 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 8: of that was waving permit fees. 547 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 6: But that's still in limbo. 548 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 9: So it became controversial over how much was this going 549 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 9: to cost the city. We predicted eighty nine million, and 550 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 9: now it's a question of maybe it's a quarter of 551 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 9: a billion, and so that's where the difference lies. 552 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: Right now, stop it, stop it. 553 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 2: So if they went the permit fees, they lose all 554 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 2: this money. But they had never counted on this money 555 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 2: because nobody knew there was going to be a fire 556 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 2: that was going to wipe out almost seven thousand homes. 557 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: They didn't budget for that. 558 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 2: They're not losing anything because they never expected to get 559 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 2: permit fees for seven thousand rebuilds. I don't understand this. 560 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 2: Apparently the city council doesn't want to give up the money. 561 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 2: It's like, well, that would be a loss of you know, 562 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 2: billions of dollars, so it's not a loss of anything. 563 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: Nobody knew this was going to happen. That wasn't in 564 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: the budget. 565 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 2: They just want to take all this extra bonus money 566 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 2: and blow it a nonsense. 567 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: But a bunch of scumbags. 568 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 9: Play some more and hopefully the council and the legal 569 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 9: team will resolve it and I will have a law 570 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 9: that I can actually sign. 571 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 8: About a year Jelisey's fire raged on the night of 572 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 8: January seventh, Mayor Bass was on a diplomatic trip to Ghana. 573 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 8: That decision still haunts her. 574 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 10: The initial part of the fire, you were accused of 575 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 10: that your perception of leadership was not strong because you 576 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 10: were out of the country when this happened. 577 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 2: I'm sure wait, stop, stop boay, you talk about a 578 00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 2: softening of a question, your perception of leadership. She had 579 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:08,320 Speaker 2: at least four days of warnings about deadly fire, danger, 580 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 2: deadly winds coming and she went to God. Anyway, the 581 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 2: question is, what the hell did you do that play 582 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 2: some more. 583 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 10: Perception of leadership was not strong because you were out 584 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 10: of the country when this happened. 585 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 6: I'm curious. 586 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 10: Now that it's been a year, are you what's your 587 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 10: response to the critics or even potential opponents of the 588 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 10: next election who keep raising this issue that you weren't 589 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 10: here when the city needed you the most. 590 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 6: You know, to this day, that's devastating to me. 591 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 9: I mean, the way I describe it to people is 592 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,280 Speaker 9: the way you might feel if you're out of town 593 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 9: or out of the country, if somebody that is close 594 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 9: to you is injured or becomes ill. It doesn't matter 595 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 9: where you were, It doesn't matter why you were there. 596 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 9: The point is you weren't there when you were needed. 597 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,800 Speaker 1: Scott the question. 598 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 6: Wait. 599 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,240 Speaker 2: Ask her why she left after she got four days 600 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 2: of warnings about the winds and the fire danger. Ask 601 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 2: her if she knew whether the reservoir was empty. Ask 602 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 2: her if she knew that the Lackman fire was still 603 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 2: smoldering according to her firefighters. 604 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: Ask her if she knew that. 605 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 2: The state reps from the State Parks Department had kicked 606 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 2: off the LA firefighters and they didn't put out the 607 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 2: smoldering remnants. 608 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:37,359 Speaker 1: All right, play some. 609 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 9: War, and that to me still cuts to the core. 610 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 9: Having said that, though one of the things that I 611 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 9: think has been so disappointing is the way some people 612 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 9: have really just preyed upon confusion deliberately putting out misinformation. 613 00:35:55,320 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 2: Says, stop who some people who name names? What confusion? 614 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 2: What misinformation? Who's doing that? I'm not aware of anybody 615 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 2: doing that? 616 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: Who? 617 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 2: Why do you have veil it in such vague terms? 618 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 2: Go ahead, list the names of people are putting out 619 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 2: confusion and misinformation. Give the detailed misinformation. You, your staff, and 620 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 2: the LA Fire Department management is covering everything up. 621 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,720 Speaker 1: You're the one not answering any questions. 622 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 2: You're the one who wired up with fifteen lawyers so 623 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 2: you didn't have to explain where two billions of homeless 624 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 2: money went. She is such a fraud. She is such 625 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 2: a colossal failure and fraud. Her and that her twin 626 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 2: Newsome the two of them play some more. 627 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 8: Bass, says she can take the criticism, but she will 628 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 8: remain laser focused on rebuilding. Yeah, and restoring what was 629 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 8: lost and lifting up Angelina. 630 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,240 Speaker 9: And in the beginning of this year, I'm really excited 631 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 9: about all that faces us. 632 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 1: I mean, in six months. 633 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 9: We'll have the world here for the World Cup, and 634 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 9: I think that it's time to rally Angelino's again. We 635 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 9: had such a tough twenty twenty four. 636 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 8: If some of these crises that have faced the city 637 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 8: over the last year or two even have given her 638 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 8: any fatigue, she says, no. 639 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 6: She is in this to keep firing because. 640 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 1: She doesn't care. 641 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 2: She'd be exhausted if she cared. All the families have 642 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 2: lost their homes. Believe me, they're exhausted. The World Cup. 643 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,399 Speaker 2: All the families have lost their homes. They can't live 644 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 2: in the World Cup. They don't give a crap. The 645 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 2: World Cup's come in here. Most people don't care, especially 646 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,399 Speaker 2: the people in the Palace Sades. Why would they care 647 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 2: that the World Cup is coming? What possible relevance is 648 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 2: that to anybody's life. What a fool, What a failure, 649 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 2: what a fraud. I cannot even believe she exists. But 650 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 2: we warned you about her, not if people listened. You 651 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 2: think any of this would have happened under Rick Caruso, 652 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 2: Any of it, of course not. Look how he protected 653 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 2: his shopping center in the Palisades. That would have been 654 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 2: all the Palisades if he was mayor. All Right, I'm done. 655 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 2: We're gonna go tomorrow morning to the Palisades to cover 656 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 2: that big rally. Conway's next Michael Kurser is the news 657 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,879 Speaker 2: live in the CAFI twenty four hour Newsroom. Hey, you've 658 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,399 Speaker 2: been listening to the John Cobalt Show podcast. You can 659 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,240 Speaker 2: always hear the show live on KFI AM six forty 660 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 2: from one to four pm every Monday through Friday, and 661 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 2: of course, anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app